The Breakfast Club - DONKEY: ‘BMF’ Actor Da'Vinchi Sparks Backlash After His Comments On Slavery: ‘It’s Time To Move On...’

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

 Charlamagne Tha God Gives Donkey of The Day To ‘BMF’ Actor Da'Vinchi Who Sparks Backlash After His Comments On Slavery: ‘It’s Time To Move On...’Listen for more. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Donkey of the Day. I'm ain't trying to be Donkey Today no more. They should be embarrassed by what they already did. I'm not making these people do these things. Called Donkey Up the Day and it really caught me off guard. Damn, Salamane. Who got the donkey out of day today? Well, Jesselari, it's dog here today for Monday, October 5th, goes to Abraham de juiced.

Okay, sock-pacet to all my Haitians, did I get that right? Juiced? Juiced? Okay. Commonly known to y'all is Da Vinci. Good morning to the young King Da Vinci. I am sending you positive energy, love, and light. I have not here to bash you in any way because this conversation is bigger than you. You know, I always strive to not talk about individuals.

I like to talk about ideas, issues, institutions. And this conversation is an opportunity to teach. Now, Da Vinci was on Funky Fridays with my guy, Cam Newton. Drop on the clues bombs for Cam Newton. Okay, doing great work in the media space. Okay, lover to hate it. He's really good at what he does. But Cam and Da Vinci were having a conversation about race.

And during that conversation, DaVincii basically said, we need to move on from slavery. Okay. Part of his reasoning was that white people enslaved, white people to black people enslaved black people. So if we keep looking at slavery strictly through the lens of race, we're cutting our own legs off. Let's listen. I do think.

It's unfortunate that we have so many people in the world that can't see past that. Like, with everything that's going on, like, I can understand the emotions that it conjure up because of what people of African descent have gone through under the hands of Caucasians. But, however, the story is much bigger than it. Like, Caucasians have enslaved Caucasians. Black people have enslaved Black people. We're looking at history from a point of view. that is cutting our legs off on our feet to really be able to move forward and be like smarter and more like uh

i think just more awareness now listen i tell y'all every day i'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary nor am i the strongest avenger but i understand okay the larger point he's trying to make the point i believe is you cannot build your whole identity around what somebody did to your ancestors i might can agree with that but da vinci my brother mr juice okay there is a documentable connection between slavery and present day black American conditions. I don't have time to break it down for you, but I will point you in the direction of Dr. Joy degree. Okay, she developed a term I read about years ago, and the term is post-traumatic slave syndrome. And it's a theory that describes multi-generational, psychological, and behavioral effects of centuries of chattel

slavery, followed by continuing oppression and racism. See, people don't ever discuss that part. And that's where Da Vinci's comments really fall short. When you say white, people enslaved white people to what exactly are we talking about because if we're discussing black americans then let's discuss america not what happened globally around the world okay the slavery black people experienced here wasn't simply somebody making somebody else work against their will okay the white indentured servitude i think you're referencing was a contract-based system okay that racial hereditary chattel slavery and chattel slavery the law literally defined enslaved people as property okay the condition was permanent.

The children inherited that condition through their mothers. Okay, human beings could be bought, sold, family separated. You didn't work off your debt and go home, Da Vinci. Okay, you were property, all right, and your children could be property too. That's not my opinion. That was American law, all right? The Library of Congress has the slave code. So yes, Da Vinci, white people have enslaved white people throughout world history.

Absolutely. Black people have enslaved black people. Okay, Africans participated in the slave trade. That is true. But none of that changes what happened here. in America. When you say black people need to move on from slavery, hey, man, black Americans tried.

Okay, they did move on from slavery. The problem is America kept moving the goalpost. They kept moving the finish line, all right? Slavery officially ends in 1865. Almost immediately, sovereign states started passing black codes restricting the rights in movement of newly freed black people. Some black people could be arrested for minor offenses

and forced back into labor. Please, DaVinci. watch Ava Duvenay's 13th. Okay, that breaks down the 13th Amendment and how it abolish slavery except as a punishment for crime. It's really simple. Okay, yesterday you were property.

Today somebody tells you you're free. Tomorrow they create a law that can put you right back to work for somebody else. How can black people just move on from slavery when they got trick bags to put us right back in it? Right? That's not moving on. Then, you know, reconstruction gets dismantled.

Then here comes Jim Crow. Now you got segregation. You know, black people getting blocked. from voting restrictions on where we could live, where we could go to school, where we could sit, what businesses would serve us. Okay, Da Vinci, for more than a century after the Civil War, laws and practices continued denying black Americans full participation in American life. These are just facts.

That's it. So I'm just asking a simple question. When exactly what black Americans supposed to just start moving on? Right? Was it 1865, 1965? Pick a date. Okay, because every time black Americans tried to move forward, America had another obstacle waiting. Now let me try to explain this in simple terms before I land this plane.

Okay, history doesn't disappear because the law changes. If I stop taking money out of your bank account today, that doesn't mean tomorrow our bank accounts are equal. You still lost the money, okay? You still lost what that money could have bought. You lost what you could have invested. Your children lost what you could have passed down. That's how history works as well. Consequences have children too. That's why I don't like when people say that happened a long time ago. That's just not true. There are black Americans alive right now who lived under Jim Crow. Okay, my aunt's and my mother included. The Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964. That's not ancient history. Okay, that's your grandmother. All right? That's somebody's

mother, depending on how old you are. There will be somebody sitting at your Thanksgiving table this November who possibly lived through those things. And this is why I think some people misunderstand the black American experience. Okay, I would never tell a Haitian person, Man, move on from what France did to Haiti. Who am I? Who the hell am I to say that? Okay, and that's what bothers me about these conversations. People look at where black Americans are standing today without asking how we got here. You cannot judge black people's position in the race without acknowledging how white supremacy spent generations putting hurdles in our lane.

Now, I do agree, Da Vinci. History cannot become an excuse for where we stay. All right. History can explain where we are. It cannot become an excuse for where we stay. We have to build. We have to heal. We have to own businesses.

We have to buy property. We have to educate our children. We got to take care of our bodies. We got to scrimphing our families. We got to hold ourselves accountable. We got to create institutions. And we got to protect what we build. We got to pass something down.

That's moving forward. But moving forward does not require forgetting. That's why Jewish people say never again. Okay. That's why we talk about September 11th every year. Nobody says, man, 9-11 was 25 years ago. y'all got to move on nope nope nope we understand that remembering tragedy isn't automatically the same thing as being trapped by tragedy okay memory can be instruction that's what history is supposed

to be so da vinci good brother i understand you saying black people need to move forward but your history lesson needs some history lessons okay because white people were enslaved to doesn't answer anything about black american slavery and it doesn't explain what happened after emancipation Black Americans didn't refuse to move on from slavery. Okay, we've been moving forward the whole damn time. The fact that we're still here is evidence to that. So don't tell people to forget history in order to move forward. Teach them the proper history so they understand just how far we've already come.

And then I say to us, keep going. Please give Da Vinci, Mr. Juice, the biggest he all. Why you say his last name like that? I don't know. I think that's how hasten to pronounce it. Mr. Juce. Is it juiced?

Haitians, correct me if I'm wrong. You're asking. This Dominican brother over here. I'm not Dominican. I'm black. No, I'm black. I'm not Dominican. I'm not going to lie, though, boy.

What? Sometimes when you do think about our history, I'm like, how the hell are we still here? God is good, eh? God must have to play for us, right? Because we're both to be gone a long time ago. Damn it trying to kill us. since we got him.

Damn it. Lord have mercy. Well, thank you for that Donkey today. Jesus Christ. Now, when we come back, Dr. Puma will be joining us. Dr. Puma is the founder and president of Soren Medical. Yes. We always talk about the heart

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Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. People wake up and go, oh damn, wait a hold up. They change all of that. Yes. It's real. This is a wholesale attack.

It is targeting black people in every federal agency. It's raw. White folks have never allowed that reckoning to last more. in a decade. Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network. And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author,

Patra Mathers and her husband Michael mailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know they had died by suicide. Dear honies, this is goodbye. By the time you get this letter, both Petra and I will be dead. next stop Wonderland. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? Listen to Death of an Artist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Is there an epidemic against literature? More specifically, black literature. I'm Jack Quist-Pice Thomas, and on this season of the Black Lit podcast, we're outside asking why. They don't want a whole bunch of little elevators, Michael Maxes and Martin Luther King running around. And when you look at a lot of different cultures, and on the world. And when you look at a lot of different cultures, they're like, we need to know where you came from. And considering this is Black Reading Month,

the only real question is, what are you reading next? Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on our IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.