The Breakfast Club - DONKEY: Rolling Stone Magazine Co-Founder Says Black & Female Musicians Aren’t ‘Articulate’ Enough

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

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I'm a Democrat, so being Donkey of the Day is a little bit of a mixed question. So like a donkey, hee-haw,keys of the day. I'm a Democrat. So being donkey of the day is a little bit of a mixed question. So like a donkey. Keyhole. Donkey of the day. The practice club, bitches. Now, I've been called a lot in my 23 years that donkey of the day is a new one. Yeah, it's donkey of the day for Monday, September 18th.

Oh, Monday. It goes to Jan Winner. Jan is the co-founder of Rolling Stone magazine, and he's 77 years old. Okay, when you're 77, you have the license to say whatever you want, however you want, to whoever you want, but you are not exempt from the backlash or the consequences of saying what the hell you want. I mean, there aren't many consequences for a 77-year-old anyway, but Jan has been removed from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation's board

after some criticism he got for comments he made in the New York Times interview. See, Jan has a book coming out called The Masters, which features interviews he conducted with artists such as John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, just to name a few, and some other people, while at the helm of Rolling Stone magazine. I think it's

seven interviews all together, all white males. And he spoke about his decision to not include interviews with women and black artists. And needless to say, the conversation didn't go well. Let's go to NBC News for the report, please. Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jan Winner explained why he only included white men

in his new book, The Masters. Insofar as the women, I mean, there were just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level. Oh, stop it. You're telling me Joni Mitchell is not articulate enough? It's not that they're not creative geniuses. It's not that they're inarticulate. Although, go have a deep conversation with Grace Slick or Janice. Please be my guest. Those comments published Friday from an interview with New York Times magazine, now criticized as sexist and racist. You think?

The foundation, Winner, helped create, issuing a terse statement Saturday, saying, Jan Renner has been removed from the board of directors of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. Overnight, Winner releasing an apology. In my interview with the New York Times, I made comments that diminished the contributions, genius, and impact of Black and women artists. And I apologize wholeheartedly for those remarks. Jan said that Black and women artists weren't articulate enough on an intellectual level to be interviewed for his book, The Masters. The irony in this statement is Jan isn't smart enough

to not say this out loud. Okay, if you feel that way, fine. You can't change what's in a person's heart. But to speak this out loud now? Why? All right, fun fact. Tina Turner, a black woman, was the second person ever on the cover of Rolling Stone. Clearly first woman, clearly first black person on the second ever issue of Rolling Stone magazine,

November 25th, 1967. John Lennon was the first. Now, I know Tina Turner is no longer with us, but I'm making that point to say clearly, Jan understands the value of black people and women in music. He just doesn't believe intellectually we are capable of having a conversation about said music. This is like racism 101. Okay, the stereotype of the dumb black, all these false presumptions and biases for years trying to prove that black people are biologically and intellectually inferior to white people and same with women you

know good old-fashioned sexism wants women to believe that they are dumber than men that's what's so stupid about these comments yon made not only are they rooted in foolishness that can be easily debunked he doesn't even have an intellectual argument as to why he didn't put black people and women in his book okay in fact he said for public relations sake maybe i should have gone and found one black and one woman artist to include here uh that didn't measure up to that same historical standard just to avert this kind of criticism that's not an intellectual argument at all it's just a racist and sexist one okay i need to articulate to me why do you feel a woman and black people didn't deserve to be in this book called The Masters? Is Stevie Wonder not a master of his craft? Okay, if you ask me,

Stevie Wonder will run circles around everybody you got featured in this book. There is no intellectual reason as to why Joni Mitchell shouldn't be interviewed either. We probably could listen to both of them wax poetic about music for days, but Jan can't because he already has preconceived prejudices about black people and women. Okay, to Jan, Stevie Wonder and other black people sound like this when they talk. First, I am an adult, and these boys are with me.

Mm. To Jan, Joni Mitchell and women sound like this when they talk. Now eat his ass. Eat his ass. Eat his ass. Mm. Mm. sound like this when they talk. Well, Jan, to us, you sound like this. Quiet, power!

That's right. Please let Chelsea Handler give Jan Winner the biggest hee-haw. Hee-haw, hee-haw. That is way too much Dan Mayonnaise. Kathy Griffin want in on this? Please give this giant jar of mayo the biggest hee-haw. Hee-haw.

Hee-haw. Mmm. Michelle Obama said when they go low, we go high. I feel sometimes when they go low, we should go to the floor

with them. Chris Rock want in on this? Cracker ass cracker. Oh, okay. Okay. Old girl? My girl? My girl still working fast food?

Cracker ass cracker. Oh, okay. Okay. She gonna? My girl? My girl's still working fast food? Oh, okay. Okay. She's going to be busy today. Okay. All right. All right. Well, thank you for that donkey of the day. Yes, indeed.

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Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God.

What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zaka-stan. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-a-stan. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a

chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey y'all, Niminy here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman,

Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history, like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused

to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro, host of the hit podcast, Family Secrets. How would you feel if when you met your biological father for the first time, he didn't even say hello? And what if your past itself was a secret and the time had suddenly come to share that past with your child? These are just a few of the powerful and profound questions we'll be asking on our 11th season of Family Secrets.

Listen to season 11 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.