The Breakfast Club - DVSN Talks Being Signed To Drake, Collaborating With Mac Miller, Toxic Backlash From New Song +More

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

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Wake that ass up. In the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ, MV, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Some special guest. I should say. Yes, man. Yes. Yes. I said guest. Division.

What up? What up? What up? Morning. How you feeling? They got individual names. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes division. What about what up? What up morning? I got individual names 1985 and Daniel This your first time here people that don't know who division is break down who you are where y'all from Division is a Singer producer combo. I'm the singer of the group this is the producer from toronto um yeah and we are trying to own r b right now y'all signed the uh drake's ovio sound right yeah how's that been you know a lot of people say artists shouldn't sign the other artists how's that been why why do you think people say that i don't know i'm not an artist i

don't know people usually say that when they sign to an artist you'll never get bigger than the artist that you actually signed oh yeah who said that recently but that's not true drake drake ended up he got signed to wayne right yeah so it always pans out i mean we're we're we're kind of self-contained so we don't really look outside to anybody to like have to give us the alley-oop or you know come in and write the song for us or do anything like that so we really kind of just stay in our our space make what we're gonna make and then kind of go out we've been lucky to have some dope fans that have kind of really you know help us get to this place and like showed out to all the shows and know the lyrics and the songs

and have been supporting the whole thing. I mean, Angela, she's- Yeah, I've always loved Division. Let me ask you this though, when Drake debuted you guys on Over Your Radio, did you already know, was the deal done? No. Okay, so how did all of that happen?

At that point I was working with him we were working on views i think that's why we work on the views album and um i got a spot to do like a dj segment on ovio song radio so i was like i'll play whatever i want so i might as well play my own group oh yeah makes sense do y'all feel like he stands next to y'all the way that he should? Because, you know, you look at other artists that are signed, other artists, like you'll see Ross with his guys, or you saw Hov with his guys back then. Even Wayne.

Wayne is a great example. Always stood next to Young Money. Do y'all feel like he stands next to y'all the way he should? I feel like that's up to everybody else to kind of, like, figure out what they think is what they should. As far as we feel we feel we just we are thankful for anything that we get at this point you know anybody that that has given us the opportunities that that have helped us get here we're just thankful for like in the beginning

right when we signed he not only put us on views which was one of the you know biggest albums at the time obviously and right after that we were on a tour with them. We did Summer 16, right? So that alone, it's like, however much you stand, you post, you Instagram, or you don't, he's giving you an opportunity. Yeah, we're thankful for it. We just take anything and turn it into energy.

When people were trying to figure out who Division was at first, what were some of the craziest things you heard? Because it was a lot of like, who is Division? How many people were in the group? I mean, people thought that he was singing. For a while, people thought it was me singing. Because he kind of had a name already. He did

Hotline Bling. He did Too Much. He did... What else did you have at that time? Hold On, We're Going Home. Oh, you got some money, bro. Let me hold something. I just want to get a little protein shake this morning he already had all that so by the time by the time people were trying to figure out the vision they were trying they were confused whether it was him whether there was like a huge group behind it because they heard like girl voices and choir voices because we usually use the choir in songs like like too deep and

stuff like that so i think people were kind of like oh is there girls in it is there guys is it what is it and you know it was it was me singing and producing too deep is one of my favorite songs to put on like a a love making type of playlist right so can you talk about the meaning behind that because you try to say it's not about like not pulling out no it is but it's the double meaning because it plays on, you know, when you're in too deep into, you know, a relationship, anything, a situation you don't want to pull back, you know. So it's like we're here.

Like, let's live in the moment. That's so clever. I really just was like, man, they're not pulling out. We're in too deep. But then, yes, it is a double entendre. It's good when people know that because then you know that if I get caught, it ain't the first toxic record y'all made, then. Why is too deep toxic?

You don't want to pull out? That's toxic? What is the definition of toxic? Why don't you argue with me about toxic records this morning, sir? What is the definition of toxic? Not pulling out is toxic now? Depends who the person is. Childbirth and beautiful procreation.

A random person? A random woman Okay Context you didn't say that you just said I'm married music like when you're having sex no no never never you don't want to hear daniel's voice like i don't want to you can't do it you can't do it definitely that's like jacking off looking in the mirror trying to put it on how did y'all hook up with jermaine dupree and whose idea was if i get caught okay

jermaine was well shout out to our management team, LVRN. They kind of put together the first session, and it just ended up being me and Jermaine just there. Toronto or Atlanta? In Atlanta. In Atlanta at Southside. And, yeah, literally you could fast forward maybe 72 hours, and it felt like we were like brothers. Like that was just like we became like a big brother.

You know Jermaine's vibe, right? hours and it felt like we were like brothers like that was just like it came like a big brother you know you know absolutely vibe right so you know it's it the relationship just kind of grew and grew and grew it's like i'm you know i'm having christmas and new year's eve at his house just me him miss tina like him and his mom you know like the relationship just really built and um if i get caught was already we were already a bunch of records deep into this project that we're doing and um one day we opened the studio door and he's just humming away as soon as he opened the door he's like i don't mean i don't love you and i was like like what what did you say like and i'm like that's exactly what I want to say. What is that? And so he walks in the studio.

B. Cox is already there playing strings and keys and stuff. And 85 came up with this idea of like, he's like, yo, the way we use choir, girl choir, is what if we flip it and make it a bunch of guys singing this and make it like a chant? And I was like, oh, my God. And I sat down and I wrote these verses now the song I think I think that on first listen you people hear one thing mm-hmm maybe even second and third maybe even what's the idea not a video the video gives it more content a little bit more

content but I still feel like some people are still a little bit confused about what I'm actually talking about well explain could is it safe to say that record is toxic no okay I'd like to hear this one toxic about that record everybody before you explain continue with the story had a Jay-z sample came about and all that oh okay with the Jay-z sample we were kind of just talking back and forth and I was like yo what if we use that line from Song Cry and cut it up? And I'm like, I don't know if we're going to get that cleared. And Jermaine's like, yo, you do what you got to do.

I'll make those calls. I'm like, you sure? He's like, yeah, you leave that to me. So I did it. And still, I was kind of thinking, I don't know if we're going to get this to go. And then in the group chat, he sent that same thing that we posted. And I was like, oh, wow. That's part of the reason why people think it's toxic, too,

because Jay-Z said it. No, you're right. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because he kind of set the stage for that. Like, this is even more toxic than. So this is his fault. Yeah, it's his fault. I just hear more women saying that than anything.

No, honestly, it's not toxic at all. Explain. I'll explain. So people hear the song and they think I'm saying, yo, I'm cheating on you, eat that or hold that. You know, kind of that kind of vibe. The record, for one, is not talking about a guy that's cheating at all.

The whole song is me talking about being in a situation with somebody who starts to feel like maybe their person is cheating on them. And I start to address it from the standpoint of somebody that's noticing that, yo, everything that

attracted you to me has now turned into your insecurity. Yeah, you wouldn't want me if other girls didn't want me. Yeah, the whole idea of like, yo, I was, I dressed well when you met me. Now it's where you getting dressed and where you going? You know, it was, I was charismatic and fun to be around when you went out, when you met me. Now it's like, oh, you're always in people's face.

You always got to talk. You always got to be entertaining people. You always want to be so funny. I think it's the part I was fucking them girls. I was gonna get right. I didn't say that It's not that part. It's the it's the it's the hook Let me keep going no everything is me addressing like this is why you like this is this all the things that have turned into I'm sure we can all be in situations that men and women right where it's like everything that you liked about me You are now have now turned to insecurities

because you realize other people like them about me. Correct. Like I always wash my penis in the sink when I come home. Oh, come on. Wow. Oh, my God. I've actually never done that for the rest of my life. You haven't done the little bird bag?

I've never done the penis sink. You're not going to give no context to that? That's what people do. You know when guys cheat and then they come home and just wash it. We don't know. We're talking about our personal too. I was like, damn. I know y'all cool. Maybe y'all not. That's wild. Guys do that when they cheat. They wash their penis

in the sink because they just clean it. Why can't they just take a regular shower? Exactly. What is she talking about? They don't want to run home and take a shower. You take a shower where you at? Has this happened to you before? I don't know if it's happened because I haven't witnessed it, but I know guys have said that they just.

It's called a birdbath. I never heard that one either. Who's going to get the urban dictionary? I'm a guy. You're a guy, right? Aren't y'all guys? Yeah, I've never put my dick in the sink. I don't try to put my penis in the sink.

Sorry, my bad. Let me get back to what I was saying. Let me get back to what I was saying. Let me get back to what I was saying. So now the insecurity has turned to the point where it's like you're digging through phones, you're checking laptops, you're doing all these things to try to find something, right? And then you have to get into the psychology of trying to find something. It's like, are you trying to find something to be upset? Are you trying to find something so you can find a way to leave? Right. And my whole thing with this is, okay, so if it's to leave, why would you hypothetically I was to have done this, it wouldn't be because I all of a sudden fell out of love with you. It would be because I was being a selfish idiot and maybe did some stupid things I shouldn't have done.

Self-indulging, freaking being caught up in my ego, maybe trying to stroke my own ego, make myself feel good. There's a bunch of reasons that people I don't think people cheat just because all of a sudden I lot people think oh I'm not a guy something I'm not in love with you anymore so now I'm gonna go have sex that's not what it is we could we can have the the whole woman that we want and still be outside doing stupid things doing that's what the song is about yeah I agree I think men cheat purely for ego it's not I mean like i know every time that i did it back in the day it was literally because i had a wounded ego like it's like it's like pouring water into a cup that got a hole in it exactly it never it never fills right so i think that what what what did you find my best

apple water i think that um oh shell that's my point don't let one mistake ruin everything oh I would yeah well I definitely wouldn't want that to happen but I mean it's not saying that it can't though

because at the end of the day it's up to you it's everyone's individual decision whether or not you want to stay or leave I can have a choice now yeah you now have the choice

stay and work it out or I can leave the hook which makes people the Jay-Z sample makes people make it seem like. Sample. Yeah. No, it's not just the J.D. Sample because even... It's fucking them girls.

No, but even with everything you're saying, I understand the hypothetical, but when you tell a woman what the truth is, if I do get caught cheating, that don't mean I don't love you. I wouldn't even bring

that hypothetical up. Yeah, because you don't want to have that honest conversation. And that's what triggered everybody online. But I don't want to have the conversation because I'm not cheating. That's fine. But most people don't want to have the honest conversation. And that's what triggered everybody online. But I don't want to have the conversation because I'm not cheating.

That's fine. But most people don't want to have the conversation because they've been down there. They've been down that road. They've had to deal with cheating. They either have to have a pass with it. Somebody did that to them. Someone hurt them.

Someone's left some PTSD there. Absolutely. And that's what's caused this stir. It's triggering. It's's what's caused this stir. It's triggering, yeah. It's a trigger. Yeah? Please. I played it one time for my wife

just to let her hear it. She ain't gonna hear that shit. That shit is too triggering. Turn that shit the fuck up. Yeah, yeah. What's wrong with you? You know, they young. I said, oh, they young.

You know, they ain't going through it. No, but... But let me ask you guys this. Yes, sir. Do you guys disagree or agree with that statement? What, if I don't get? That you don't have to fall out of love with somebody. Oh, yeah, that's an old school.

Listen, by the way, that's a golden oldie. That's a classic line. So then what are we really talking about is toxic, or did we just replace toxic with honest? I think it's the other part where you say it's just one little fuck. See, I can relate to it. If I get caught cheating, that don't mean I don't love you. We've all said that before.

I ain't never told my wife it was just one little fuck. Because what if she hit you back with like, well, I gave somebody hate it was one little suck. Yeah. The exact same.

Oh, man, shut up. The exact same, the exact same, the exact same situation. I'm now in a position where it's like, okay, am I going to stay? Am I going to leave? What am I going to do here?

It's the same thing. Okay. Is it frustrating to you that this song got so much attention when you guys put it out and then people, for some people, that might be the first listen of Division. First time I heard it, yeah. Yeah, and they're like, these guys are... Super toxic. Yeah.

No, you know what, honestly, it got us here. We're here at the Breakfast Club. Y'all could have been on the Breakfast Club. Hey, I never got an invite, Charlamagne. Oh, I didn't know that. He's cool with you. He don't invite us up here. Oh, listen, I did lip service twice.

I'm playing, that's true. Even before you, you had a former producer named Sasha. Sasha loves y'all. Long time ago. Long, long time ago. I think before y'all signed with with drake i was gonna ask are y'all in relationships no no i was about to say i was gonna say what did your

girls feel about it no no but i mean we've we've heard the women yeah we've definitely i think there's been a lot of women that immediately there's the triggering effect of it and they're like i can't believe you guys are out here promoting like a cheaters anthem with a whole bunch of guys on the hook. And then there's the other women that are like, you know what? I can see why you would say this because, you know, I've been in a situation like that before. Or I've done it myself. You know, there's a lot of women now, not at first, as the days go by,

there's a lot of women now kind of kind of coming out and be like yeah i've done that those whores 100 100 it's happening like like um i right after we dropped it we i got a dm um from from my lady saying you know um i love the song it's super catchy it's this and this and that congratulations i you know i just can't play it in the house i cheated on my husband oh yeah and and you know he stayed with me and i said you know what at a if you don't mind me asking like you know why did you cheat because that's really what i'm trying to get at here we're trying to talk about some conversations and i was like why did you cheat and she was like I just had a baby a little

while before you know me and him were having our little you know times where it's just kind of like we're just involved in our own lives and um an old fling that I used to talk to um you know he popped back up and he started you know asking me for selfies and pictures and it made me feel sexy again and again as soon as she said that i was like it's it's the ego over there too that's right it goes both ways right and nowadays it's like if we're being honest in 2022 women are cheating just as much if not more than men i don't think they ever stop i think how did you come up with this statistic? I got this from a sex therapist We got these from actual professionals This is what I was told from somebody who has studied. I'm just telling giving you guys what the information sources

Ever cheated on a woman before yeah, yeah I've I've watched a penis in the sink. Well, I'm married. Oh, no, I've I've um, I've been on All sides of that I've been on the side where I've done it in been on the side where I've done it and got caught I've been on the side of it where I've done it and not got caught I've been outside where I'm pretty sure it happened to me, you know So that's why I I speak about it because it's like this is this is a real thing if if this was just some Song that had no validity to it. People just ignore it Would you want to tell you if they cheated on you? Absolutely, you would want them to tell you absolutely if I already didn't know I don't know

Because I happen to you right? No, I want to know you wouldn want to know. Because also they've said, I've seen this on television, they said if you don't get caught, you shouldn't tell because that's really to relieve your own guilt and all it's going to do is cause problems. Yeah, I feel like if we're good and I am not suspecting something, you telling me is probably going to put me in a position of having doubts. Yeah, okay. You wouldn't respect the honesty? it really depends where we're at because some of these

things I feel like certain seeds once or once they're planted you can't stop it from growing mm-hmm so if it wasn't already growing for me I might be better off just not knowing why fuck up my life yeah like why have that especially if let's say you did it You're you're not gonna do it again. It was a mistake. I'm with you I think a lot of times the reason we come clean is because like our conscience is eating us up so much and we End up projecting, you know our guilt onto our significant other So we start saying that blaming them for stuff and saying that they're doing stuff that they're not doing because of what we're doing

So we want to just get that off our chest. That's what I think What song comes after this now now see okay, so that that's there has to be that's a great question ruined all your clothes This album is this album is a story We started at the ego right and then naturally it goes to all the places where that can get you, you know, um, there's, there's reflection, there's accountability, there's remorse, there's growth, there's, um, you know, hopefully re-approaching all these things and situations that, that you may have failed at in the, in the past.

Um, the next record is a step in that direction. I'm not going to say too much about it. It's definitely super R&B, produced by JD, produced by B. Cox, produced by 1985. And it's special. Here's what I like about the record. We had some debates about this a couple of weeks ago It's so hard to put out music and and have people care mm-hmm right even if the music is banging

Mm-hmm, so the fact that y'all started a conversation regardless how people feel about the record the fact that it started a large conversation That's a win no for sure. That's that's one of the reasons we well That's probably the main reason we put this song out We've had the song for about six months, and we would have people come by the studio. We'd play a bunch of records, and even though there would be a lot of people that said they had other songs as their favorite, that song got people talking, and we'd have huge debates for hours sometimes about that record. The whole room would just break out in an argument. Maybe that's what we need.

Maybe we need to start the conversation, and then we'll fill in the other pieces later. Because there's definitely songs that would have fit the r&b story better we're gonna fit the traditional division you know path way better but we need we need to start these conversations and have people kind of tune in you know and i see a lot of people say like oh i think division just did this because you know for the attention or for the conversation. So? But at the same time, it's like if people weren't talking about what we were doing before, is that our fault or yours? Yeah, and y'all are artists at the end of the day.

So there is marketing. So what's wrong with throwing something out there that you know people are going to get people talking? Isn't that the point? Not only that, but for me, it's like how are we ever going to progress if we don't start having the conversation as a people you know like as relationships period if we just try to keep trying to ignore things never understand the the other one we're never going to get anywhere so for us it was important to be like we know what conversations come from this. We know where it takes us. And that's the way that we're going to start

breaking down the relationship to start reconstructing the relationship. How do you think their response would be if a woman put this song out? I think you guys would love it. You guys would. Are you guys? I'm just asking.

You know it's comfortable. They've already started doing responses to ours. And I see the girls as soon as they hear it. The girls are like, yes! Go, yes, bitch! Oh, yeah, talk your shit! Women say just as crazy things as I do. Women are getting away with a lot right now.

When SZA said, you know, I'll have you on the weekend. And then you can go back to whatever you're doing throughout the week. Like, isn't that kind of crazy? Well, side chick anthems have been around for a long time. I know, isn't that kind of crazy? Because somebody's cheating in that scenario. Like SWV, I'm So Into You, all of those records. My Little Secret.

I like being in the same room with you and your girlfriend. The fact that she don't normally turn me on. I think that it would go super crazy. I mean, we're fortunate that the tide has kind of shifted as far as it went from shock and almost outrage to people being like, but it's a bop, though. Or people are like, oh, it's super catchy to my head. I'm not going to lie, I like this song. And it's a lot of women now that are admitting

and the ones putting the selfie videos up and playing the song song so it's beautiful i mean yesterday we found out you know it's the the number one most added song at urban radio for this week so you know the only thing i didn't like about the record was the sample to be honest with you i didn't think you needed no i like the hook i mean the hook was better oh you just oh you didn't like the jay-z you just think it wasn't necessary no i still love that that made me feel extra i'm a hip-hop head head though that just made me feel like even just to read text between

Jay and JD just for that sake alone did Jay tell JD to put that text out? was that part of the roll out? no Jay didn't tell him to do it but I'm sure Jermaine did did he ask? Jermaine's Jermaine

what do you think about this generation of R&B? I think we're going to be in great hands with Division. I think this generation of R&B listener is different than before. Before, people would all kind of flock to the same thing. Now, there's so many different types of R&B that you can get into, but people keep complaining about the one they want to hear not being the biggest. But it's like you can go and listen to whatever you want. It's there.

I love the R&B that's out right now, honestly. There's so much to take in, but there's always this conversation of, oh, it's not like the 90s. It's not like the 2000s. But even that stuff, it's around. You can find it i think it's just so much easier to focus on the toxic r&b or the not as singer songwriter oriented r&b and be like oh this isn't what i'm used to i think a lot of times it's just too much music it's a lot to consume that's a fact right so you don't sit with stuff as much, you know what I mean? But I will say this,

no matter what party I'm DJing, if it's a 21-year-old party, an 18-year-old party, or a 30-year-old party, they know everything from Can't Stand the Rain to, you know, Kevin Campbell.

Because they grew up with their parents, uncles. You know, to SZA. To y'all. So I think that's dope too. It's music that sticks, you know? And as far as toxic content,

it's always been toxic content. I just think the only difference is the presentation now like some of these R&B singers be rapping instead of singing it you know what I mean a lot of these singers

a lot of the singers they're not really singers they're people you know we like to hear toxic songs sung beautifully there you go I think

there you go like if you think about like Secret Lovers back in the day and like I said Whitney Houston Saving All My Love For You she's you know he's with his family and I'm here waiting for you did you

have a song that's something beautifully but what are they about yeah did you ever think about putting future on the But, no, we wanted this. I mean, it has such a traditional R&B vibe to it when it's stripped down. I think it's the big 808s and the thing that makes it, you know. But that's good because it's what has people singing it in the clubs and bumping it out, right? But at the core of it, it's like three, four timing ballad. Like Jermaine was in there really like on some like blues, you know, when he made that record.

So when he made that, sorry, that hook and that part of it. So I wasn't imagining some, like a trap rapper or, you know, any of that. I just, he wanted to make sure that this was an r&b record he's so proud to be like yo they're playing an r&b record in magic right now and it's going off like like a little baby record in here you know and it's an r&b like we're making r&b important like and it's beautiful to see his his passion like fueled like that and to be you know the vessel it's dope I want to talk to talk about y'all just as artists like like well first of all how important is

Drake to the Toronto music scene is there a path for division without a Drake really is the Toronto music scene you know because before that there was not a scene that you guys would have known yeah you know I mean I can think like Cardinal official you knew people but there wasn't necessarily a scene that you guys would have known. Yeah. I mean, I can think like Cardinal official. You knew people, but there wasn't necessarily a scene. Yeah. You know, it was just like, oh, wait, you're from Toronto, right? Oh, Deborah Cox.

Oh, she's from Toronto. But there was no, there was nothing that you could kind of attach to anything. Yeah. Now it's like there's a sound, you know, all of our producers, you know, well, we have a few R&B artists. As far as what people attach to Drake is the whole, I guess, like, the honest and moodiness that came with it has almost become, like, the Toronto sound. But that's in everything, though. Like, across the board.

Like, you go to the UK, it's there. You go to Atlanta, it across the board like you go to UK it's there you go to Atlanta it's there you go to LA it's there and I think with that comes the expectation that everything is going to have some sort of Drake lineage which in some ways it does because it's like he's the one that like opened the door for everybody like literally everybody coming out of Toronto has to on some level be like yeah drake's drake's the guy to your point he he created a scene he gave us a scene a visual like oh okay there's something going on there so so what about you yeah for sure i mean everybody's i think everybody all the artists out of toronto they're all talented enough to have, you know, broken through at some point or had somebody notice and really be like, oh, this person, like, you know, from The Weeknd to, you know, Tory, Daniel Caesar, everybody that's from Toronto. But party. But Drake kind of like put C4 on the door and kind of blew it open for everyone to kind of run in.

So I don't think anybody in the city would ever try and take that from him, no. What did he think about this record? Did you send it to him first? We literally have not talked to anybody about any song on this project yet at all. Really? Literally. I'm telling you, we've just been in Southside, just literally in our own zone. So it's a good question. We should we should hit him up and be like, yo, what's going on?

But I mean, you know, I'm positive he's he's seeing and hearing, you know, what's going on. And, you know, he's he's always. I would I would think always happy when, you know, not only the city gets a win, but when, you know, the team gets a win. I like that you guys are, like you said, just kind of like doing your own thing and being successful without feeling like you have to rely on a co-sign. Yeah, we don't. Still doing sold-out shows. Like you said, everybody's singing the lyrics, and people know you,

and it's not like we got to get Drake on the record in order for this to pop up. Some people don't even make that correlation. They just think division's division. I think that's true. And I love that. I love the fact that we stand behind our brand that strong and we are able to, you know, just stand on our own too. You know,

everybody's stronger if you can do that, I think. So what was the vision doing prior to all of this? Like, what's the scene like in Toronto when you're just some aspiring artist trying to get on? Is it open mics? Is it going to the radio station with your music? This whole city was like

that. There's one radio station that will play your music. We was on there for a little bit. Yeah, you were. I think we was about donald trump too much at the time and got us right out of it but yeah it was it was like that you know it's it's it's it's really it's super crab and it's almost like what people used to hear about

new york and other places where it's like you know if you can make it there you can make it anywhere type thing because literally nobody was making it. There was nobody that had made it. Wow. It's like, and we've been here just as long as everyone else. So that's why the city is kind of in its own special thing, because it's almost like we waited way longer than everyone else. And I know you guys, for you guys, it's like, you know, Canada over there somewhere.

But because we're so close to New York, and we have New York stations, Buffalo stations, USTV, we feel like we're so close to New York we and we have New York stations Buffalo stations US TV we feel like we're right there so we're almost watching every city blow up before us and nothing happening over here so I think the whole city was kind of almost clicking up on their own trying to be the first to make it and And if you weren't a part of them, then, you know, whatever, we don't care. So it wasn't a, it was not a huge support as far as the locals until you, until Drake happened. And when Drake happened and it started becoming cooler to say, hey, you know,

they did it. I mean, we did it. You know, to start feeling that, that ownership with things. That's when things started really changing in the city. Like now it's like, you know, the city loves division. The city loves, you know, Drake, XO, everybody like that. You guys also did that whole collab with Ty Dolla $ign. Cheers to the best memories.

How is that balance working with Ty Dolla $ign, you know, and going and doing a whole project with him and even making that decision? First off, Ty is crazy. Ty bounces off the wall every day. It's crazy. His creative process is nuts. Like he'll literally sit there and easily make six, seven songs a day. Every day?

Every day. Every single day. He is the kind of guy that'll be like, yo, come to the studio at 7. You'll come to the studio at 7, and he'll call me, I'm outside. He'll be like, oh, I'm in Oakland. What?

You know, he's that kind of guy. He's just like, he's so in the moment, and he's such a creative that it's, I don't know's it's hilarious to watch but he's that that process that we had was literally came about because of that because he told me to come out there and do a record with him so i flew out he was on tour hopped on the tour bus he's like i got a studio on the tour bus cool let's make a song sat in the back three days later we have five songs he's talking about

putting out an ep together and i was just like this is not what we what the plan was you know every day with him is like a whole new adventure shout out to ty by the way but a whole new adventure that he just like headfirst jumps into which which i think is what keeps his energy in the songs and his like spontaneousness so high because you can hear it in the records right he's just kind of like it's whatever he can be on a rock song one day an edm song the next day or you know a hip-hop song and then break it down just do r&b when did you guys do i believed it because mac miller's featured on that song i think that's such a standout song that was right before he passed literally right before he passed when we got his final verse

because he came to the studio mac came to the studio um heard the record loved it started recording and then he left and he's like i don't really like my verse i'm gonna start another one sent another one back and if and maybe like a week and like three days after that he was gone damn so it was gone yeah so it was it was a it was tough it was tough and I was just getting to really know him and you know understand how why he was such a loved person because when once you get around him you're just like oh good dude you know good dude how much how much other work have y'all done behind the scenes in the industry like

you as far as production writing um I've done a lot i did uh one dance i did get along better on the last drake album i did truffle butter i did on the way i did um what else i do i've done so many things i i did the bryson tiller drake single i did oh i did uh get the out for mariah carey i did i've done so many so many things that i just kind of like i do it keep it moving but it's kind of been interesting the last few years because like i feel like i do it keep it moving but it's kind of been interesting the last few years because like i feel like i have a whole double career that people don't know like people who know me as 1985 the producer a lot of times don't necessarily know i'm in division people that

know me from division don't necessarily know like i've been making hits on the other side of things so whenever they they hear the two come together they're like oh like how do you like how do you even have time to balance that i'm like honestly i don't even know how i do it because i'm just like going back and forth besides division besides dreg who do you like to work with more creative and why who i like to work with um i loved working with travis i did um coffee bean on astroworld um future i I did Tricks on Me. Who else do I love working with? You've been out here, huh?

I'm out here. I'm out here. Can you sing at all? I can sing enough to tell him what to sing. Have you ever done a reference track and been like, I should sing it? No, I mean, I can tell somebody, sing it like this. But have I done a reference track? I've maybe recorded something just for someone to, like, mimic that.

Have you ever been like, I might want to just hop on this a little something? Yes and no. Like, I do that in my own time. He's like, this is the first time I'm seeing that. What? I've done that in my own time because I'm just, like, that creative. So, yeah, I've made records before and I've recorded myself. I've rapped. I've sung.

I used to be in a punk band. My thing is if I were to do that, I wouldn't necessarily want to be in producer mode while doing that at the same time. But I love producing. In the punk band, did you play an instrument? Yeah. I was the backup singer and the guitar player. And I wrote all the punk band did you play an instrument or yeah i uh i was the backup singer and the guitar player and i wrote all the songs what was the band's name

we had a whole a bunch of horrible names but coffee double the cream all types of things the worst the worst that didn't happen it happened coffee double the cream nobody says that nobody comes up and find this online can we hear some songs online no because you know i'm happy to look this up coffee double the girls yeah did you ever hear any of this or no he said before is the industry everything y'all thought it would be thus far yeah i think so everything and not at the same time like is everything they told like you would hear people talking about, I think you just didn't realize how much it really is that. And I really learned that

when I remember people always just tell me you don't want to meet your idols. And then I met a certain producer, artist, I won't name them, and that experience, I was like, oh, that's not what I was hoping it would be. I had such high expectations

and there was a bit of a letdown. And that's why even us working with Jermaine has been so amazing, because he is exactly who you would hope him to be. You know, where a lot of people are not. You know, the industry, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors. Or maybe that is them. You know what I mean? Maybe that is them.

You just don't know differently. Yeah. I wonder, should we have expectations with people? Like, when people don't meet our expectations is that our fault or their fault that's our fault and because the expectation is an assumption right yeah and I think a lot of that goes into who you think they are as an artist or who you think they're projecting to the world as whatever meanwhile that might just be their stage person. You know, that's their forward-facing image,

but they might go home and be completely different. Well, people have bad days. Could have been a bad day. He could have had an argument with his wife. Could have been anything. Yeah. Is everything moving for y'all as far as division is concerned? Is things moving the way y'all want them to?

Do you feel like y'all should be further along? I mean, one thing I've learned, mean yeah i could say that i think we could all say that though you know we even a someone with 100 million dollars could be like you know i should be at a billion you know by now um but i've learned to just be like yo you know god's timing god's plan it's going well let's get into the record I do have one more question Because I look at The artist Drake

I feel like Drake features And cosigns of artists Do more than artists Being actually signed To his label do If that makes sense Because Party is fantastic I think a lot of that

Y'all are dope You know what I mean His approach Is very respectful Of the creative process. And because we are signed, I think a lot of time he's kind of just like, yo, you do your thing and you call me in when it's time. Yeah, call me in when it's time. But before that, I don't want to even want to like,

I don't want to overstep. Like, you guys do what you're doing and then let me know. You know, let me know when you want to pass the ball off. But that's not on me. That's on you. I honestly think this way was better because a lot of people who don't know you know you for you. Not the Drake Cole sign. A lot of people didn't know y'all was signed to Drake.

They just heard the record and loved the music. And now when they hear it's a Drake Cole sign now, it's like, oh, even more I like this group. So that's why I think it's dope. So at what point do y'all do bring him in on the process? You said you haven't heard anything yet. Just want to make sense musically. You know, when we have something that, it works, you know, works for where he's at,

where we're at. You know, I think it's all really just timing with him. As you can see, he's very smart about his music. You know, so for us, it's like it just has to make sense for both.

Well, let's get into this toxic single right now. Honest, honest single. Come on. It's honest, but it's still, if it triggers people, it's toxic a little bit single right now. Honest, honest single. It's honest, but it's still toxic. If it triggers people, it's toxic a little bit. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If something triggers you, that doesn't make it toxic. Yeah, it does. It's toxic to the individual. That is the trigger part. I mean, you've never seen a movie that's just, like, touched you in some kind of way, and all of a sudden now you're just blaming the movie and saying, this is toxic? No. Well, it's because...

You have trauma. It's because of your experience. Unhealed trauma, yeah. Unhealed trauma that you haven't processed. That has nothing to do With what was delivered to you But cheating is a very Traumatic thing

But cheating is just real It is The record is toxic though Fellas I don't know how you spin that Fellas if you've been In a situation This is the time

When you might want to Turn the radio off maybe Might want to turn it down Or listen to Daniel's Explanation of what The song is really Supposed to be about Thank you Angela Yee But you know what's so funny About Daniel's explanation of what the song is really supposed to be about. Thank you, Angela Yee.

You know what's so funny about Daniel's explanation? I understand it, but I can hear a woman saying, that's some bullshit. No, they've been hearing it and they've been receiving it. Shout out to the ladies out there. Fellas, let's get into the record.

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