The Breakfast Club - E40 and Too Short

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

Today on the show we had E40 and Too Short call in where they announced their Verzuz Battle, spoke on Bay Area Influence, Snoop Dogg Collabs and more. Also, they had friend to the show Michael Eric Dyson who spoke on social redemption, redefining defund the police, his new book and more. Also, we flashed back to when Charlamagne gave "Donkey of the Day" to Trump advisor for mistaking Charalamagne as a rapper. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water,

500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zaka Stan. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-A-S-T-A-N on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best, and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing.

Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What kind of show is this? There you go. It's the world's most dangerous morning show. Got the cameras, I'm out of here. I'm not in Greece. What kind of show is this? Let's not listen to this show.

The Breakfast Club. With DJ Envy. The captain of this bitch. With Angela Yee, the only one who can keep these guys in check. With Charlamagne Tha God. I'm a lovable asshole. And this is The Breakfast Club, bitches. I'm darling.

I'm darling. Hey, what you doing, man? I'm darling. I'm calling, calling, yo. This, what you doing, man? I'm telling, I'm calling, calling you. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed. 800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club.

Hello, who's this? Hey, this is Sherez from Columbus, Ohio. Sherez, what up? Get it off your chest. Man, I'm just calling to spread some positivity to all the black people here in Ohio, around the world, everything. What's up, Charlemagne, Angelique? Peace, King. What's going on? How you doing, brother?

I just want to let everybody know I'm a day job. I'm a union electrician, but I'm getting my hustle on as a realtor out here in Columbus, Ohio. So follow me on IG at Shiraz underscore Robinson, that's S-H-I-R-A-Z underscore Robinson. MV, man, I would like to link up with you, man, and talk about investing in real estate out there in New York and New Jersey. Okay.

Well, just hit me in my DMs, brother. All right, man. Y'all be easy, man. Me too, brother. All right. Hello, who's this? Man, good morning, sir. I'm the man, the guy.

Peace, King. What's happening? What's up, brother? Get it off your chest, man. Man, I'm just, I'm this? Man, good morning, Salamander guy. Peace King, what's happening? What's up, brother? Get it off your chest, man. Man, I'm just, I'm in good spirits, you know? Me and my wife was getting into it, but now everything's back to our copacetic, so I'm feeling blessed to have this table, you understand? Hey, you must have did that thing to him. Hey, man, look.

You know how it go. There you go. I imagine. I imagine. Have a good one, brother. You too. Hello, who's this? It's Erica.

Hey, good morning. Give me a moment. Give me a chance, mama. Yeah, I listen to y'all every morning, and I'll be damn. I'll be tripping out on you and Charlamagne. I mean, I'll be laughing like crazy every morning at y'all. Well, thank you. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

If you're laughing with us or at us, I don't know. Yeah, that a good thing or a bad thing. I love y'all. Well, thank you. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. If you're laughing with us or at us, I don't know. Yeah, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I listen to y'all every single morning, like every morning. Thank you very much. We appreciate your support. Well, thank you so much. We have a great and blessed day, mama. That's all.

Where you from? Okay, you too. That's all? That's all I want to say, sweetie. I love y'all. We love you back. I love your twang, too. That's a great twang. Hello, who's this? Hello. all I want to say, sweetie. I love y'all. We love you back. I love your twang, too. That's a sovereign twang.

Hello, who's this? Hello. Hey, what's your name? Kayla. Hey, Kayla. Good morning. Get it off your chest, mama. Well, I really didn't have much to say.

I just wanted to congratulate y'all. Y'all doing good. And I thought it was so sweet how y'all gave away money, because there's really some broke bitches out there. Stop calling people the N-word. I think it's because there's really some broke bitches out there. Stop calling people the N-word. How do you guys stop calling them broke?

It's some unfortunate people when it comes to their pockets in America. There you go. That's right. It's a financial struggle out here for some folks. You got it.

You want to lend? You want to give some money to some people? Heck no. I just lent somebody $10 yesterday no Budget that's right budget that money. Thank you mama. Ah, there's something about that There's something about them two words together just do something to me bro Nick bro. God damn Lord have mercy it felt like back in the day when you heard scrubs for the first time like I get on my mama

Hello this It felt like back in the day when you heard scrubs for the first time. Like, I ain't getting on my mama. Hello, who's this? Yo, what's up? This is Corey. Corey, what up? Get it off your chest. Yeah, I wanted to call to thank, well, good morning to you, Envy, Angel E, and Charlamagne. Good morning. Peace, King.

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I wanted to thank Ye for keeping you guys in check and being very beautiful every morning, making my mornings better. I wanted to thank Envy and Charlamagne for all the work that y'all do, especially in the mental health area. I haven't read books since high school,

and since you've been doing the Audible stuff, I actually downloaded a book, and I've been reading for like the last two months now. It's really got me excited. I love Audible. Audible, I mean, I loved Audible before I was in business with them, but they're great. Yeah, I downloaded Malcolm X's autobiography.

I just finished Think Like a Monk, and now I'm looking for some more books. I wanted to ask if you could probably send me a book of yours, if you don't mind. I got you. Y'all got to actually stay on hold, though. People be calling up here saying that, and then they don't stay on hold, so we can't get your address to send it to them. But I'll send you that.

I'll send you a copy of my book and a copy of Dr. Rita Walker's book, The Unapologetic Guide to Black Mental Health. I really appreciate that. And lastly, I just wanted to say, man, y'all got to stop that fruity stuff up there, man. What fruity stuff? Y'all be doing too much. You and Evie, man, y'all got to cut it out. FYI, I don't know if you know that we haven't flirted with each other all week.

Well, let's keep it that way. I appreciate that. Get it off your chest. 805-85-1051. We got excited. If you need to vent into something, how was the breakfast club? Good morning. Is your country falling apart?

Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy.

There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Ladonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. Why can't I create my own country? My forefathers did that themselves.

What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullet holes. We need help!

We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories,

their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions,

but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves, for self-preservation and protection. It was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself.

It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Wake up, wake up. Wake your ass up. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed, we want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Hey, good morning. It's me, Latisha. Hi, DJ Envy. Hey, Iz. What up, y'all? Hey.

Good morning. How are you? I'm fine, thank you. Last time I called Charlamagne, he wasn't there, but I'm glad to hear your voice. I had a question for you, Charlamagne. Yes, ma'am. Why are you always yawning in the microphone like that? Like, why do you do that?

Why do you do that? Simple. Simple. Simple answer. Simple answer. Don't tell me because I'm tired because I wake up

early in the morning. Don't tell me that. Duh. It's six something in the morning. No. Come on, Charlamagne. You're not still yawning

wiping coal out your eye at six something in the morning? So you want him to mute the mic when he yawns. Don't nobody want to hear all that. That's just, to me, that's like somebody yawning right next to me in my ear. I'm like, damn, sir, what are you doing right now? You're like, oh, yeah, it's a Zimpia.

Oh, man, I don't really know. Well, you're going to hate to know that I pass gas, too, sometimes. Not in my clothes, though. Oh, not yet, yet. You go to the bathroom and put your pants down, right? There you go. Well, anyways. Glad you know.

Thank you. Oh, one more thing, one more thing. Elijah McClain, Sandra Bland, Breonna Taylor. Let's do it. That's right. There you go. Forever. Thank you.

I like that. Hello, who's this? I was just about to yawn before she said that, by the way. Hello, who's this? Hello. Hey, what's your name, bro? Hello, by the way. Hello, who's this? Hello. Hey, what's your name, bro? Hello. Money-making Mitch.

How y'all doing? Money-making Mitch. You ain't making no money right now. You ain't making no money in a recession. Are you crazy? Cut it out, Charlemagne. How you making money? Tell me how you making money.

By giving proper advice on how people should be really clean in their house. That's enough money for me to educate these people. Oh, you finessing. Of course. If you really, really, really want to kill this coronavirus, all hospitals and everybody's home, just start from the sterilization room. Start from the bathroom.

Then work your way out. Everything you use in the bathroom, you can use around the whole apartment. Every hospital that's scared, they training we um sterility is important so if you just expand your sterilization department and make the whole hospital sterile then everything every item every equipment every instrument can actually be um used properly all these money making mitch let me ask you a question people actually paying for this advice? Of course they are. Cleaning the bathroom?

Cleaning your bathroom, actually. I agree that you have to do sterilization, but you do know that it's transmitted from person to person, right? Exactly, but it depends on how many people are in your house and do you have a team that's doing sterilization? This is a family. This isn't people from next door coming into my house.

How are you making money off this? Yeah, I'm confused. How do you make money? Oh, you're talking about financial money. I don't need financial money. I don't need no finances. I'm fine financially. What other money is there?

Yeah, my money's there. But financially, I'm fine. But the other money is, the other important money is information. Knowledge is power. Yeah, correct. Knowledge is currency. I get what you're saying. So that right there alone,

I'm saving lives by telling people. I served in the military 17 years as a medical officer. I've done all forms of surgery. I've been in so many different situations and we treat every patient. Now this is the coronavirus. We treat every patient as if they were HIV. Now we have to treat every patient as if they have HIV, corona, and all these other symptoms.

That's pretty dope because now you have to stay on top of sterility for the rest of your life. You understand? Okay. No. This should be an awakening call. Well, thank you, brother, for calling, man. We really appreciate you. I don't understand, but, you know, to each his own.

Oh, you're talking about that type of money? You talking about financial money? What other money is there? He meant currency. That's all. Hello, who's this? Oh, this is Mike, man. Mike, man.

What up? Get up your chest, Mike. Man, I was mad about some stuff, man. You know, really, man. Took me five years to get through on this stuff, man. You waited five years to tell us that? So what do you want to say? There you go, King.

Just be happy to be here. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent. All right, bro. Happy to be here. I appreciate it, man. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Hey, guys.

I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real,

inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic

of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe my country my forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder you know with explosive warhead. Oh my god. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself, and leaning into

her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay.

Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Pull out your phone. Call in right now.

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Now, if you just joined us, we're talking about Terry Crews and a tweet he put out. He said, there is only one woman on earth I have to please. Her name is Rebecca. Not my mother, my sister, my daughters, or coworkers. I will let their husbands, boyfriends, partners take care of them. Rebecca gives me wings. All right, so we're asking, who comes first in your relationship? Your wife, your mother, your kids?

And for women, your husband, your mother, or your father. I should say your husband, your father, or your kids. What's the, I should say, in what order does it go? Start with you, Charlamagne. I mean, there's no order. Like, you know what I'm saying? If you had to say, for argument's sake, you had to pick an order. No, it's not about I have to say.

I'm telling you, you're asking me a question, and I'm telling you, there is no order. They're on the same, you know, level. Hypothetically speaking. There's no need to do hypotheticals in real life situations. I'm just telling you how I feel. I think at this point in my life, you know, those are all my hearts and it's not about who comes first in that situation. You know, I will say my wife and kids are the immediate because that's your everyday unit. That's who you see all the time. So of course they get, you know, first dibs on everything,

but it's not a who comes first scenario. Like, you know, love is something that you have an overabundance of especially when it's unconditional and those three entities you named your mom your wife and your kids at least in my life that's just unconditional love i got enough to go around all right of who's first three women hanging off a cliff your mom your wife and your daughter you can only grab one which one you grabbing i got two arms oh come on, come on, man. Come on. I got two arms. And we can figure it out. Somebody, I got two arms, so I can grab two.

Somebody else can grab somebody. We can do a little centipede and get each other up. You know what? We'll figure it out. Yee. And guess what? If they fall, I'm jumping with them. I have nothing to live for after that.

Your wife and kids and mom? What am I hanging around for with y'all? Well, I would think that, in my opinion, and you know you know i don't have kids nor do i have a wife but i would always think kids come first but that just would be my thought but the problem i have is him saying there's only one woman on earth i have to please that's not true and it's not about putting things in order but as a father as a husband as a son you should feel some type of responsibility to all of these women in your life and there were so many people that came to your defense when you were having issues when you said that you were being sexually

assaulted that actually stood up for you including Gabrielle Union and for you to then turn your back and act like you have no type of what's going to happen when something happens to you and people say well I don't care about Terry Crews because all I care about is my own husband let his wife take care of that that's not true you need people and people need your support and I don't care about Terry Crews because all I care about is my own husband. Let his wife take care of that. That's not

true. You need people and people need your support and black women need your support more than anybody. Well, see, I feel it's your kids first and I look at the same cliff scenario and the reason I look at it is... Sorry, Gia, damn. No, I'm going to tell you the truth because if I'm hanging from a cliff, I'm not going to let my wife

take me first. I'm going to tell her to take the kids first and my wife is going to do the same thing. She's going to say, take the kids first. Make sure the kids are safe first, and then come back for me and your mom. That's really what it is. I got to make sure my kids are safe first. Me and my wife.

Yeah, but how you put yourself in the scenario? You said the wife and the kids and the mom. Now you all of a sudden hanging off the cliff with your pants sagging. Where you come from? You know what? You said it wasn't about you. It was about your wife. Then wife then you talk about this morning it was about the wife and the kids if the situation happened my wife would tell me to take the kids first yeah but when you get married

aren't you a unit so technically you and your wife are one so i don't see how she could even be put into the equation right i would just jump off the cliff i I'm going. If they go, I'm going too. I'm letting you know right now. If they jump it, I'm jumping. I'm going to stay on this planet with y'all and be going to therapy every day instead of just once a week. You know what I mean?

I ain't got time for that type of trauma in my life. We all going. Yeah, we all out. Hello, who's this? This is Arnie Triss. Hey, Arnie Triss. Hi. I think the wife should come first

because once she leaves the nest, then it's technically the man's responsibility to make sure that her basic needs are met. Then it should be daughter, then mom. You're not sleeping with your mom, and you're not seeing your mom every day. So I feel like the wife should definitely come first in any situation. You got kids? I do, and I'm a wife. Okay, so you want to come first.

Let the kids be your office. Let the kids be done. Pl Let the kids be your done. Plenty of foster care homes to raise your kids, huh? Pretty much. A lot of fire. Lord have mercy. Oh, my gosh. All right.

Thank you, Mama. 800-585-1051. Lord have mercy. My God. That's a hard knock life for us. We're asking who comes first, your wife, your mother, or your kids. Call us up right now. This is from Terry Crews' tweet. It's The Breakfast Club.

Good morning. After those runs, the conversations running interview show where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun.

Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this.

It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition.

Why can't I trade my own country? My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? Be part of a great colonial tradition. What could go wrong? I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We need help!

We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going.

This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing.

Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. B-J-N-V-A-N-G-E-L-A-E. Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Nafi just joined us. We're talking Terry Crews. He put out a tweet.

Yes, he said, there's only one woman on earth I have to please. Her name is Rebecca. Not my mother, my sister, my daughters or coworkers. I will let their husbands, boyfriends, partners take care of them. Rebecca gives me wings. He said it like that? That's how I interpreted it. Okay.

Well, we're asking, who comes first, your wife, your mom, or your kids? I don't respect it. And, you know, I gave him donkey of the day for that. You know, I can't even knock him for how he feels about his mother or sister or coworkers because that can all be complicated situations. But your daughters, bro, like, come on, man. Like, you supposed to love your daughters the exact same way that you love your wife. You know what somebody told me a long time ago? Her name was Daria Alexander.

Daria Alexander said, when you love your significant other the way you love your kids, that's when you really have a soulmate. Because, you know, a lot of us don't really experience love until we have children. We don't know what real love actually is. So if you love your significant other in that way, then you really got something. All right. Well, 800-585-1051. That's what we're asking.

Hello, who's this? Hey, hey, hey. What's going on, Breakfast Club? It's Jay from VA, what's going on? Jay from VA, we're asking, if you had to pick one, who would come first, your wife, your mother, or your kids? Yeah, I'm definitely going to ride with my wife. You're going off to Terry Crews. If I'm not mistaken, he said the only one he has to please is his wife?

Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me. I mean, I'm going off the verb, but I'm not here to please my kids. I'm here to raise my kids. You know, I'm not here to... A lot of kids be too friendly,

or a lot of parents be too friendly with their kids, and, you know, that's not... That's how kids grow up. You can't be friendly? No, you can't be friendly with your kids, man. Nah, I'm not. I'm not. What's that movie?

What's that movie with Terrence J? Why did I get married? Think Like a Man? Yeah. Think Like a Man. His mama was all in his business, and he was trying to please his mama when he needed to be trying to please his wife.

And what happened at the end? He bucked on his mama. You know that's just a movie. I bet it's based off real stuff. You can't be like that. I've seen stuff like that in real life. I'm here to please my girl, my wife, my mom. I'm not really here to please her because she raised me.

My man based on how he treats his mom and that matters to me a lot as far as who I decide, you know, deciding to be with him. I love his relationship with his mom, and that's important. And you should definitely, based on how he treat his kids, too. You should judge a man based on how he treat his children. Let me see now. You're going to raise your kids right, and you're going to help your mom out when she needs you.

But when you're grown, you know, you're here to raise a family as your mom raised you to do. Now, my brother, have you ever looked up the definition of please? Do you know what please means? Please means to cause, to feel happy and satisfied, to take only one's own wishes into consideration in deciding how to act or proceed. So that's when you say, like, this is the first time in ages that I can just please myself.

When you're talking about pleasing somebody else, it's to cause them to feel happy and satisfied. He arranged a fishing trip to please his son. He arranged an activity to please his daughter. So, yes, you should please your kids, King. Well, you know, I'm going with the wifey first. For example, with the love thing. Like, when you say you love somebody or, you know, you love your mom,

you love your kids, but you're in love with your wife or your significant other. Like, it's a lot of things that come with being in love with somebody that you just can't put on the same terms as loving somebody. Like, you love your friends. You love your mom, but you're not in love. You're not having sexual things with those type of people. You're only doing that with your significant other. But that's a different level of love. There's some people out there

that don't love their wives, by the way. Well, you know, I'm going off doing what I do, you know, but I'd just rather please my wife because that's who I stay with. That's who I'm going to build my family with. And when your parents die, you know, you still have to please your woman that's still there, which is what your dad or your mom raised you to do.

It's crazy that y'all don't care about y'all kids. See, I'm looking at, like, in love, right? Now, in love has nothing to do with sexual, right? In love says, I'm just looking at it, says you can't stop staring at them. You feel like you're high. You're always thinking about them. You want to be happy.

You don't want them to feel pain. You don't want them to feel stress. I'm in love with my kids. I'm in love with my daughters. Yeah, me too. I don't know what he's talking about. I'm in love with my kids. Yeah, I don't get it. I'm in love with my daughters. I want to please my he's talking about. I'm in love with my kids. Yeah, I don't get it.

I'm in love with my daughters. I want to please my daughters. But, you know, and of course, you know, your wife, that's a different level of love. That's something else. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. What's the moral of the story? The moral of the story is, boy, I'm surprised the orphanages ain't more packed.

I'm surprised these foster homes ain't more packed. Because y'all don't give a damn about y'all kids. But guess what? Guess what? Tax time right around the corner. I bet you you're going to be so happy to see them low churn in. You're going to want to claim all of them on your taxes. Mm-mm-mm.

All right, we got more coming up next with The Breakfast Club. Keep The Breakfast Club humbled with Slander The Breakfast Club. Hate me if you want to, love me if you want to, but just use your common sense. Me humble. Slander The Breakfast Club. Who's this? It's Dre. Dre, Slayin' to the Breakfast Club. Man, why you and Son of May act like y'all butt buddies, man?

Because we are butt buddies. That laugh was crazy after. I don't even understand why you say we act like we butt buddies. We're butt buddies. What's wrong with that? We're not very suspect. Why is it suspect? There's nothing to be suspect about. I just told you what it is. Who you with? Who you with, bro? I'm with my man Nick. We're butt buddies. What's wrong with that? What a very suspect. Why is it suspect? There's nothing to be suspect about. I just told you what it is. Who you with? Who you with, bro? I'm with my man, Nick. We work together.

Let me talk to Nick. Let me talk to your butt buddy, Nick. Nick, Nick, why you don't love, why you don't love, what's his name? Dre. Why you don't love Dre? Who said he doesn't? That's my guy, bro. Yeah. That's my guy, bro. That's your butt buddy. Yeah, that's your butt buddy. And I want you to know that Dre...

Huh? Bro, he just saying y'all be a little off the chain with the comments in the morning, man. Well, I think y'all should be butt buddies because Dre rhymes with gay and Nick rhymes with d***. Y'all made for each other. That's your brother. You don't love your brother? You don't love your brother? Give him a hug right now.

Tell him you love him. Give him a hug right now. Tell him you love him, you value him, and you appreciate him. Hug him right now. I love my brother. There you go. Tell him you love him. Give him a hug right now. Tell him you love him, you value him, and you appreciate him. Hug him right now. I love my brother. There you go. Tell him you love him. Hell no.

Man, y'all whack, man. See, that's the problem with black men. He's a hell no. We can't tell each other we love each other, we value each other, we appreciate each other. Y'all butt buddies. And when me and Envy do that, y'all call us butt buddies. No. The suspect thing you say.

The love is one thing. Because I love my black brother. There you go. So is one thing. Because I love my black brother. There you go. So does Lil Nas X. Y'all need a double date or something. Hello, who's this? This is Day Day from V.A. Good morning, good morning.

Day Day from V.A., what's up? Slander to Breakfast Club, Day Day. Yes, DJ Envy, I get so tired of hearing you say, who you going to give that donkey to? Can't you say it another way? How you want me to say it? You can switch it up today. I mean, switch it up.

All right, all right, all right. Let me try this. How you say this, Bannis? Say it. Say it in Spanish. Who you giving this donkey to? She wants you to say it less flirty and creepy. Oh, I don't know.

Okay, let me try it. Charlamagne, who you giving that donkey to? How was that one? A little bass, a little bass. I like it. I like it a lot. Or maybe you could say something like, Charlemagne, I know you got a nice donkey. Who you want to give it to?

Hey, that's a little freaky. I don't know. What? Go ahead, Diddy. I'm trying to switch it up. Switch it up. Hey, Angela, we talked a couple of months ago. I told you your name reminds me of a yeast infection.

You said you were going to change it to Angela Monastat, Angela D, Angela T. We got to let go of the yeast. So you want me to just disown my family? Yes, you want you to turn Muslim. Angela X. Oh, no. I don't want you to turn on your culture. That would be wrong.

But it just makes me itch every time I hear it. It makes me itch. Have you ever had a yeast infection? Pregnant I did, and it was not pleasant, but you're giving me flashbacks. I like y'all. Goodbye, Day-Day. You can't tell her goodbye. This is slander. She's itching. Y'all be blessed.

Austin. Hey, this is Austin, man, from Houston. What's going on, man? What's up, bro? Slay under the Breakfast Club, man. Hey, what's going on? I want to say, you know, you're a real one, man, from Houston. What's going on, man? What's up, bro? Slay under the Breakfast Club, man. Hey, what's going on? I want to say, you know, you're a real one, man. You always keep everybody on the show. You know, I really look up to you, man. Angela E., man, you're beautiful, you know,

but I just think, you know, you ain't bothered about it like you be talking about in interviews, you know, with your listeners. I think, you know, you're a little bit on the soft side. I'm on a little bit on the, you said soft side? Yeah. I am a softie. Okay, yeah, see, like I think, you know, you're a little bit on the soft side. I'm on a little bit on the, you said soft side? Yeah. I am a softie. Okay, you see, like I said, but Charlemagne, Charlemagne, Charlemagne.

When you going to come out the closet, man? Probably never. Never? Mm-mm. Man, I know you be looking cute with that little makeup on, man. He said you be looking cute. Thank you. Thank you.

That's nice. I needed that this morning. Thank you. I'm waiting on you, man. Thank you. Thank you. That's nice. I needed that this morning. Thank you. I'm waiting on you, girl. Thank you, baby. Hey, today is National Hot Fudge Sunday Day. So, wait, you have a crush on Charlamagne? No, I don't have a crush on her.

I'm sorry. Why'd you hang up on her? I don't be hanging up on niggas when they flirting with me. I'm sorry. You like that? Do I hang up on people when they flirting with you?

You like that? I did enjoy it. Okay. A compliment is a compliment. All right. Well, your makeup looks nice today, bae. I don't wear makeup, but thank you for complimenting Dr. Sandy's work. His flawless skin.

My skin is flawless, by the way. Sweet face. Hey. What's up, sweet face? Thank you. Slender Breakfast Club. I wasn't talking about you. I can't tell.

Charlamagne does have a sweet face. Leave him alone. Thank you. Flattery will get you everywhere. He's stupid. Yes. Slander the Breakfast Club Sweetface. DJ Envy. Yes, ma'am. Envy, I need you to pick up a thesaurus

to find another word to use instead of amazing. I've been practicing. Everything. You want to hear? You double down. You double down on the amazing and you say amazing, amazing. I've been practicing.

You know what? I'm not going to lie. Envy's making me say the word amazing. I'm like, when did I start using this word? Listen, awesome, breathtaking, fabulous, heart-stopping, marvelous, miraculous. I've never heard Envy say amazing. When does Envy say amazing? Envy does say amazing all the time.

Wonderful. And then I started saying it. Extraordinary. Phenomenal. Sensational. Spectacular. Amazing. I'm practicing.

My wife told me the same thing. Can you sing Amazing Grace? Amazing Grace. How sweet. I love you, but no. All right, fine. Goodbye. You do, because I was like, why am I using this word?

Because Envy's always calling everything amazing. Why have I never noticed you say amazing so much? No. All right, fine. Goodbye. You do, because I was like, why am I using this word? Embiid's always calling everything amazing. Why have I never noticed you say amazing so much? Because when I call you amazing, you like it. I mean, have you seen my skin? Your what? It is amazing. Embiid would be like, Karsha's coming to be amazing. We have some amazing sponsors.

I've been practicing. I had an amazing meeting with Lincoln Tech. My wife told me the same thing. I've been practicing. All right, we got more coming up next. We're The Breakfast Club. Yeah. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy

Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. Now we got some special guests, some special legends. Legends, man. Icons. They both friends to the room. They both been on The Breakfast Club numerous times. We had a brother, E-40. What up, E-40?

What's happening? What's happening, Claire? And also Too Short. What's up? What's up? What's up, man? Now, what do we owe the pleasure of having these two icons on this Zoom for? Is this about the super group that I'm hearing about with 40 and Short and Snoop Dogg?

Is that what it's about? You talked to Short about that. He didn't want to let the cat out the bag. It's big, man. It's big, man. We on some other stuff right now, man. We about to do Versus, man. Versus.

Snoop and E-40 on Versus. Now, how did this come about? Against each other? It would seem like we might team up against somebody else, but no, we're going against each other. Okay, okay. We're doing it for the better, man. Now, short.

Now, pause, pause, pause. You know he thought he got a slick mouth, so how are you going to deal with his slick mouth? He's been doing it for dang near 30 years. Yeah, I know how to deal with it a little bit, man. I can't control him, but he's, he's, he's got to like, I mean, I tell you before we jump in the car, so you got to throw a couple of jabs early.

Cause he gone, he gone probably like, Hey, make you in a minute. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first West coast versus West coast versus, I mean, we saw Snoop go up against X, but I don't think we've seen a West coast versus West coast versus yet. We would have did it a little earlier, man, but I was resisting. You know, 40 wasn't really into it, man,

for the fact that, you know, we cool as f***. It seemed like it was a war where you got to go against them and talk bad and stuff. And we kind of like, we thought it through and was like, man, let's do the Bay because we basically are the story of the beginning of the Bay, the foundation, where it started.

You can't really get too many stories that come before or even during our early days. There's not a lot going on outside of, you know, Mac Dre was doing his thing. Mac Dre, y'all three. Mac Dre, y'all would be like the, you know, they say Jay-Z, Biggie Nas. Y'all would be that for the big.

I think Mac Dre, 40 short. So, you know, I was just like, man, Earl, I don't want to do it, man. I don't want to do it. And then he called me one day. This is how they got me. He called me on the three-way with Swiss. But now I got Swiss and 40 trying to give me the pros of why they do it. You know, by the end of the call, I'm like, all right, let's do it.

It's a celebration. You know, I wonder, I want both of y'all to answer this. What does a versus battle between short and 40 mean to the West Coast and the Bay Area? I mean, to the world. Hip-hop culture, man, just showing that, you know, me and short, we go back like Angel Flax and Members Only jackets, the 80s, you feel me? And so, you know, when you think of the Bay, you think of us two,

you know what I'm saying? In the same sentence, you know? And so me and Shorty never had no confrontations. All his people know my people from the beginning, B.R. before rap, you feel me? B.R. B.R. before rap, you feel me? And so once we teamed up and did that damn rapper's ball,

we knew each other through the soils and the traffic. You know what I'm saying? So it just only made sense. So many people was hitting us like, so many people was hitting us about this, about Versus. They was like, man, we need to see you on short. You know, you on short. That would be the ultimate one for us.

You feel me? And so I had brought it up to todd one day i said man if we ever did versus what you do if they own if they ever asked us to do versus would you do it and he was like i ain't interested i wasn't really interested at first either i wasn't interested because i said why why do i have to you know i got this body of work that i did why should i step up and show off or prove anything? I'm like, bro, I did mine. I got a cold run in.

Like, a rapper wish he could get the run I got in, like, nine. A rapper wish they could have one of your runs. You had me there. You feel me? I was on the same page as him, like, the same way. Like, you know, what do we have to prove? But then, you know, I'm like, you know what, man, this is, this is for our, for the culture, man. It's for, for the, for hip hop, right? I know they love to see it. And we,

we feel like this is a celebration. You feel me? Now are y'all doing a joint album? I know you, I know Sean and me talking about it, but we hearing is it the short Snoop Dogg? And I heard Ice Cube. I'm just kidding. Y'all, y'all, y'all bounced around. And yeah, you know, y'all curved us, but are y'all doing an album and a project? What are they talking about? Yo, man, I'm going to say it like this, man. It's 2020.

We've been quarantining for a long time. Most of the time, me. But I fell off my quarantine for a while, but I'm back on it now. And it's got a lot of time, man, a lot of time. So we've just been doing stuff, man. Who's in the group? Who's been out and about? When I fell off my quarantine, I got it in, man.

Like late summer, I fell off. I've been quarantined through the whole time. I got everything I need, though. You feel me? You know, I got positive income coming in. You feel me? Different revenue streams. You know what I'm saying? And, you know i i got i got positive income coming in you feel me different revenue streams you know what i'm saying and um you know i got this this nudio been i got two

nudios up in this thing you feel me so music is my life you know i'm saying i'm just been thinking of you know passion projects man and coming up with all kind of you know uh things to develop whether it's food whether it's you know beverages know, beverages, you know what I'm saying, doing this tech thing, you feel me? Startup companies, the whole woo-wop. So it's many things. And then at the same time, you want to tell them how that came about? Long story short, man, we made a lot of songs. It ain't really like definite what it's going to be, but it's going to be something.

It's just a lot of songs, so. Who's on these records? Cause I'm hearing the group is U-40 and Snoop. And Ice Cube. Don't leave out, don't leave out Cube, man. Okay, okay. Wow. It's not official yet.

It's not a group. There is no name. There's no like, oh yeah, the project. It's not even like that. We just, we just some OGs, man. Everybody got studios and facilities and beats. And, you know, I'm saying we're just doing it's something I feel like we're doing this for hip hop. And when I say that, because you could be doing it for the bag. Nobody don't need the bag.

So basically, I feel like we got all these these rules and regulations and age limits and what is the best time zone and what's the best era and who's the best age group and all this stuff that's like, it don't mean nothing to hip hop because hip hop is very uncontrollable. So when I say we're doing it for hip hop, which is my main motivation is I'm 54 years old. If we do anything, it's gonna come out when I'm 55 years old.

So, and to drop something dope and to be a workinge who's been working since he was 15 years old, never had another job like really like eating off hip hop my whole entire life. That to me should be motivational to a up and coming rapper, inspiring rapper, an established rapper. Like you sit there and look at yourself in the mirror and be like, what are my limitations? I got to stop doing this when I'm 35, when I'm 40. They kept telling me that. I was an OG rapper when I was 30, 24 years ago.

That's right. No expression on game, man. We blazing trails, man. You can't tell me Fat Joe ain't doing it. You can't tell me E-40 ain't doing it. Snoop Dogg ain't doing it. You know what I'm saying? Busta Rhymes ain't doing it. The bag is consistent with hip- consistent man don't don't do this ageism thing in hip-hop don't be an og

and tell me that these young rich cats ain't doing it right don't tell me that man because when i look at my when i look at my streams and look at their streams i'm like they doing something right they're doing something right i don't't knock them, man, because it's a whole new generation. They doing it a lot different, but hey, we was once young. You know what I'm saying? We carried it a little different, but you know, you can't knock these youngsters, man. If anything, join them. You feel me? Because OGs need youngsters

and youngsters need OGs. Don't have the opposite attitude either. All you old dudes get out the way. It ain't like that, man. There's a hip-hop for the world now, man. That shit ancient. All that shit about

oh, man, I need to wrap it up. It's too old. I ain't heard that in hella long. Anybody say that, it's just a hater with a motherfucking voltage regulator. That's right. Young artists should be looking at y'all and saying, man, I want that kind of longevity. I want that kind of catalog.

Because one thing about you and Short and all the OGs, y'all not getting paid for what y'all do. Y'all get paid for what y'all done. There you go. All right, we got more with Too Short and E-40. When we come back, don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.

Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with E-40 and Too Short. With this Versus, are we going to get an album or a single the day after the Versus or the night of the Versus? I mean, it's only right. Millions of people for it.

Yeah, you know, like I said, man, 2020 was that kind of year. I make a lot of music just, you know, just because that's what I do. But in 2020, it's like I got this whole new inspiration. If you're going to lock me up in the house with a studio, I'm just going to start making songs. So, yeah, you know, I got some stuff I'm going to drop, man. I'm dropping a project called Ain't Going to Do It. And it's the beginning of this motivational thing.

I'm trying to, like, balance out. We got the pimps over here and the tricks over there, and everybody's out of control. So I'm trying to find a balance. Like you got to know your lane, you know, kind of tone down the tricking a little bit. Don't go so hard on the pimps.

You know, I'm just trying to like, you know, be age appropriate. But at the same time, I'm not going to be one of them OGs that go way to the other side. I'm like, girl, how much you want me to wire you? And we ain't doing that. Hold on, so you mean, And we ain't doing that.

You still ain't doing no tricking short after all these years. They say it ain't tricking if you're worth it now. Man, come on, man. That's not true. That's not true. He ain't trying to be a rescue Ronnie. Cash app changed the game, man. I also got a project dropping. We're dropping on the 18th.

You got one on the 18th, right? Yeah, I heard that you're dropping on the same day. Oh, yeah. My project will consist of probably about 10, 12 songs somewhere around there. It's called Terms and Conditions. It's just really just gaming folks up. That's my specialty, just gaming them up,

giving them some s*** to party to, giving them s*** to ride to, mob out in the old schools or whatever, their new schools, whatever. It's just gas, like always. I might need some Tums. When did y'all first meet? Oakland n****s and Vallejo

n****s have been getting down. Back in our day, they was really, like, tight. Like, we used to actually click up and go to different little areas as a, you know, like, we got our Oakland mob, they got their Vallejo mob. We click up and go out as a super mob and just pop up somewhere else. We did a lot of that, but it was all

based on crack, cocaine, drug sales. Like, a lot of dudes in Vallejo sold and partnered up with a lot of dudes in Oakland and was like little teams, you know what I mean? And 40s people and my people was on the same team. So we would go to like, like you said, Dan Foley Park

in Vallejo. We'd pull up. It'd be like, you know, Vallejo was hosting that day. All y'all come down and we're going to show you some love. We're going to hang around, move around the city. That's how it was. And then, you know, they'd pile up in their cars, pull up to Oakland designated area, hang out, and pile out and it was cool. So we come from a clique,

specifically E-40 and his brother, getting down in the game with somebody who's been with me my whole life, one of my best, best friends. So it was always real tight. But we wasn't, I would never see 40 and be like, hey man, your rap is tight or hey man, when you dropping something new

or hey man, let's do a song together. It wasn't that kind of friendship. It wasn't even true. We didn't make records until 95. Yeah, many years after we met. And we was on the same record label. I came in at 93 on Jive Records. No, I signed it in March of 94. I was on Jive. You were 93 on Jive Records. No, I signed in March of 94.

I was on Jive. You were already on there. 88, 87. 88. Put my first record out in 1985. I ain't never stopped. My first record was called Don't Stop Rapping. I ain't never stopped rapping.

I mean, I just slapped the f*** out of that s***. And my motherf***ing cougar, I had a cougar with the gold luggage rack, with gold tips, gold grill, gold DL against lights, the gold leaf burgundy, zinus and balls, cutting up. You hear me, man? And so he taught me how to put, just from his music, taught me how to put a whole bunch of game involved in my s***, man. So it's got everything got to be game orientated.

Were you rapping in 40, like around the way? I was rapping. Ever since I heard Sugar Hill Gang in 1979, when I heard Rapper's Delight, I was a rapper from then on. I just didn't have the access. I was in the marching band. I played the band from fourth grade all the way to 12th grade, which some people might not have thought that was cool, but I didn't lose no cool points, man.

I was still that. I was still a fixture. That was the only form of music. We didn't have access to a whole bunch of, we didn't have pro tools. We didn't lose no cool points, man. I was still that. I was still a fixture. That was the only form of music. We didn't have access to a whole bunch of... We didn't have Pro Tools. We didn't have Logic. You know, Short, people don't know Short is a producer.

I am, too. Like, my first one was Mr. Flamboyant. I'm one of those producers who never give myself a credit on the song. I just don't... If it's me on my song, I just... I don't put produce by Too Short. But I've made a lot.

Well, why not? Because he going to make the song sound better. Plus I never make beats for anybody else. I don't want, I don't want his call to be saying, man, sure, let me get a beat. But it's like, what I do now is I kind of like work with producers and I enhance the shit or, you know, refine it and do sh** to it, you know, Dr. Dre style. But if I was a producer and I knew how to engineer, I would be f***ing like Kanye West or something. I would never come out the lab.

I would be a Timberland mad scientist, mother f***er. I really don't want to be that guy. I really... I really don't want them skills because I really would never come out the studio. So I shied away from that. I met a dude named Ant Banks. He make beats like me except better than me.

I was like, f*** making beats. I'm f***ing with Ant Banks. That was that. So is that who y'all got? Y'all got people like Banks, Dr. Dre, Daz? That's who y'all got on this project? Everybody you name is definitely going to be on there. We tapped into the natural resources that we have access to. Battlecat. I mean, really, man, I'm telling you, man,

it's not like- We ain't lying. I did not say, we didn't say that. We just some homies that, if you wanna call us something, just call it Snoop Q 40 and Short. We really just, like right now, we jumping on these calls, talking about, I got a beat, rap on this beat, send me a beat.

It was around, just sending beats to each other. And it ended up being 25 songs. We're like, this sounds good. So we kept doing it. And it's something. There's a lot of value to it. You're talking about for entrepreneurs. We're about to milk that shit.

We're about to make it bigger than music. LLCs, you understand me? Like other shit, bro. We're not a super group. We're LLC. That's what it is. We're LLC, good buddy. That's's what it is. LLC, good buddy. That's exactly what it is.

You know what I'm saying? Everything we do is going to be a business deal, a business transaction. It's going to be the LLC. It's not a fucking group and about a song. Watch what I tell you, what comes out of the partnership. It's something that I feel like hip hop needs to like, check this model out.

When you see it go down, you can smell it right now. When you see it go down, you can smell it right now. When you see it go down, check the formula and let's interject this shit into hip hop to where, you know, I'm going to speak on something, man. I'm going to speak on E-40 and Too Short and then Jeezy and Gucci. There was a point in time in E-40 and Too Short

where we could have turned our friendship to a Gucci-Jeezy dynamic. And we jumped on a phone call. They was trying to pretend that I was doing something against 40. It's like 1995. Wow. And 40 called me on the phone.

He said, hey, did you say such and such? I said, no. He said, you sure you wasn't on the radio this morning and said such and such? I said, no. And we got off the phone. Somebody had been on the radio pretending morning and said such and such i said nah and we got off the phone somebody had been on the radio pretending to be me talking hell about for you the was hot and he didn't instead of getting hot and reacting he hit me up and said what's up you know what i'm saying he was still mad behind the scenes i don't i don't have to everything got

to be publicized on the net like that like that. I call personally and like, hey, what's happening with this? You know what I'm saying? I just want to make sure I'm thinking crazy on that. You feel me? We resolved the whole issue by going in the studio and making a song called Rapper's Ball. And that's the first time, what they do,

that's the first time the word for Sheezy was ever mentioned in hip-hop history. So what I was going to say was, if E-40 and Too Short would have turned on each other, it was a whole lot of s*** that came with that s***. It would have been ugly. We would have f***ed up the story of the day. And I think that, you know, Jeezy and Gucci didn't f*** up Atlanta or nothing, but I think that on the opposite side of what we saw on Versus with them,

if Jeezy and Gucci would have been 15 years, 20 years of camaraderie, they would be E-40 and 2-show. And I'm just saying, it goes so far down the line, man. Earl might have a play on some money. And he's like, man, I'm moving this way that week, but I got a money play up. You want to get it?

And he'll tell the folks, man, I can't do it. He'll holler at Short. That s*** just shot me 25 racks just on a text message. Like, bam. You know what I'm saying? What is the debate if 40 crew of my crew turned enemies and one of us got killed? What are we? If that s*** happened in 1996. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Alright, let's keep it locked. Let's get into an E-40, two short mini mixes to Breakfast Club. Good morning. Still kicking it with E-40 and two short, Charlamagne. You know morning. Still kicking it with E-40 and two short. Charlamagne? You know, the story that Short told, you know, just about communication, man. Communication is so important,

and it made me think about Biggie and Pop because they were friends. And in the movie, y'all lived it. I didn't live it in the movie. Biggie wanted to call Pop, and Pop was like, nah, nah, nah, nah. Let it be, let it be. So it just shows how far things can go when two brothers just don't get to the root of the problem.

Man, communication, let me tell you something, man, also putting your pride to the side can save lives. A lot of things with misunderstandings and miscommunication, even in the soils and the trenches and the, you know what I'm saying, in the octagon, it's like, that's how it be. It's like a lot of cats can really, you know, fix their problems just on communicating because there'll be a lot of sideline motherfuckers hella messy

in the background and shit like bitches can be messy. A lot of folks start over bitches because they got to prove something to the bitch instead of putting their pride to the side and say, you know what? Man, I don't want nobody innocent in my family to get knocked down, so we're going to try to defuse this to the best of my abilities. You know what I'm saying? Who want to

always watch their back all their fucking life, man? You know what I'm saying? Who want to always watch their back all their life, man? You know what I'm saying? It's a great world out there, bro. You know what I'm saying? I would try to tell these youngsters, man, it's bigger than four blocks, man. You know what I mean? You really do want to enjoy life, man. That's the part that I always stress.

You know, short, the first time we ever had Senator Kamala Harris on Breakfast Club was 2018, right? And this was before she was running for president or anything. And one of us asked her who her favorite rapper was, and she was like, I'm from Oakland. Too short. Off top. And for whatever, I mean, I guess, you know, back then she wasn't on the national scene in that way, not culturally, just politically. So I guess people didn't really pick up on it. But she said Tushaw was her favorite rapper.

Libby say that too, short. The mayor. The mayor of Oakland. Well, you know what, sir? It's really like some DNA thing when it comes to the Bay. Like, okay, like I say, I'm 54, and I've been making music

that I put out in the streets of the Bay since I was 14, 15. So it's people like you could be in your forties right now. And you was literally like a little kid who grew up on too short. Like it's that, that much of a dynamic in the Bay where I'm on, I'm on third, you know, the grandparents and grandkids loving the same too short song right now. Yeah. I asked Kamala, you know, I said, if you rock with Too Short, then what's my favorite word?

She was like, I can't say it, I can't say it. No, she did say it. I know she did, she did. Nah, she said, I can't say it, I can't say it, I can't say it. Have you ever had any interactions with her in Oakland? By the looks of how she is, I probably did pop out and see her somewhere in a club back where it how hot she is, I probably did pop out of the house.

I seen her somewhere in a club back with. It's a small town, I'm just saying. Did she smoke broccoli? She said she did in college. Hey, hey, she can scream that shit like she mean it right now, man, because that shit is legalized, man. You feel me?

I can tell you, though, in my young days, man, I only really dated super, like, nerdy hot chicks. I never really went for the, like, the chick who got, man, I only really dated super, like, nerdy hot chicks. I never really went for the, like, the chick who got, like, brothers like E-40. Like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's the opposite, man.

He's very hard. I'm really dedicated. I'm a, you know what I'm saying? I'm a real husband. You know what I'm saying? I got a wife. She's been with me since high school. You feel me?

Sure. I married his high school sweetheart. I married my high school sweetheart. Short, he be moving around, man, you know, but that's my partner that we got two different things, but we know, we closer than a booger to a nose. That's my love one. Is Short the partner the wife don't

want you around? Like, I know you around. No, because he know her. They know each other because Short respect her and know her. They know each other because they short respect her and vice versa. He know the limits to don't go. He know not to play. They put the bitch filter on me, man.

You know what the bitch filter is? What's that? They said don't bring any girls around that you don't share your coffee table with. Like, if she don't live in my house? I'm going to tell you how it unfolded. Let me tell you how it happened.

Okay, short, when he'd come to, we'd come work in the studio, you know what I'm saying? Every day, my youngest son, every time he over here, my youngest son would be playing video games. He had a little video game in the back. He'd be playing video games

on one of two short broads, right? And he was a little, he was a little video game in the back. He was playing video games in one of two shorts brawls, right? And he was a little, he was a little, like, how old? Five years old at the time? Some s*** like that? Four years old? And hanging out with the girls. And he was like, man, you trying to take my short, but you trying to take my girlfriend? Right? So, but that ain't the thing. That's the funny part. But the thing is, one day, one of the brawls

was like, yeah, I be over 40 pounds all the time. And they got back to us, right? And so, wifey was like, you know what? Tell short, if he can, tell him to bring more girls over here. Boy, I always see the picture that you post with Pac, man, where y'all drinking a 40. And I always wonder what was the story behind that picture. Was we drinking a 40?

Oh, was it a 40? Y'all drinking something. I don't know what it was. Oh, that was, he had Alizé in his hand. Alizé, Alizé. Did I have Alizé in my hand? I had Alizé. I had Alizé in my hand.

That was a drink back then, Alizé. What was the story? That was at Rapper's Ball, Miss Nidio. When we took that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That video was a party, man. Huh? The video was a party.

It wasn't even a video. It was just through a party. It was a party. Something at the same time. Wow. You know, but Rapper's Ball was just through a party. It was a party. At the same time. Wow. You know, but Rapper's Ball was, we did that in Calabasas, right? So, Pop, I told Pop we was going to be in L.A. He said, I'm going to come through.

He said, where the thing at? I said, it's in Calabasas, right? He said, I stay right around the corner. I just got a house right around the corner. Really came, kicked it, hella all day with us, got toasted, played music, the whole woo-wop. You know what I'm saying? So in the video, he all threw the viznidio, rapping boy.

I think that day he played us the whole Machiavellian before it came out. Yeah. Wow. Yup, and more, and some other ones. And he wanted to do a group. I forgot what he was calling it, but he wanted me, nice and smooth, hella just hella, hella OGs, you know what I'm saying?

Wait for this verse. This verse is going to be so classic, man. This Saturday, make sure y'all tune in, man. I'm excited for this one, brother. I mean, the main reason I'm excited is because I always feel like the Bay Area doesn't get the proper respect it deserves in hip-hop, even though y'all influence so much.

So one thing I see the verses do is it reminds people, and not only reminds people, wakes people up, like, oh, that came from that? That was them? Well, we're going to tell some stories, man. I'm going to bring y'all back to my Atlanta years, too. I ain't just a bae.

I put 15 years in Atlanta, too. A lot of influence. Yeah, I see a lot of little kids in Atlanta look like you. If I had any kids that I didn't know about, they would be in Atlanta. I met Lil Jon because of this guy right here, man. He embraced Lil Jon. Me being on shows with them and running into Lil Jon,

we ended up working. Let me ask you a question for you. Do you do personal catering? Does Goon with the Spoon do personal catering? I'm so glad that you brought that up. So the Goon with the Spoon, let me tell y'all. So the Goon with the Sp do personal catering. I'm so glad that you brought that up. So the goon with the spoon, let me tell y'all, so the goon with the spoon is really some street shit. You know what I'm saying?

It's really some street shit that I converted into, you know what I'm saying, that I add up to the same thing. It's cooking. We cooking. We cooking, yeah. You feel me? So the goon with the spoon just naturally happened. It was natural like an afro, bro.

You know, just being the oldest of four, you know, knowing how to cook and shit, working at the restaurants, you know what I'm saying? Working at a restaurant, I call it, I call it a Michelin star restaurant, but it really wasn't. It was in Benicia, California. It was called the Common House Restaurant.

Hella rich people there. I'm cooking London broil. I'm cooking chicken cordon bleu. I'm cooking... I ain't never heard of this shit. I'm making orange ruffy, you know what I'm saying? Pan fried, you know what I'm cooking chicken quarter on blue. I'm cooking. I ain't never heard of this shit. I'm making orange ruffy, you know what I'm saying? Pan fried, you know what I'm saying? With brown butter and almonds, you feel me? I'm doing that kind

of shit, man. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, so I didn't mix that with my magazine street specialty meals that I, you know what I'm saying? That I made, you know what I'm saying? Back in the days, in the glory days, you feel me? So I just f***ing with it heavy, the goon with the spoon. I do, I'm going to answer your question.

I haven't did catering yet. You know, I just toy around with this, but I know what I'm doing because it's been layered up into co-packing. So a lot of people don't know that logo when you see goon with the spoon. I got a lot of s*** coming, bro. You know what I'm saying? I got a lot of meat products coming with that logo on it.

Goon with the spoon. And I'll reveal that in the next interview. Hello. Well, this Saturday, make sure you tune in to the Versus Too Short E40. Man, we appreciate you guys for checking in so much, man. We appreciate y'all. Thank y'all for having us on this platform, good brothers. Change that super group to a super LLC.

Super LLC. There you go. All right. group to a super LLC. Super LLC. There you go. All right, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. It's going to be a donkey, because right now you want some real donkey. It's time for Donkey of the Day. So if you ever feel I need to be a donkey, man, hit me with the heel. Did she get donkey in the name, please?

Absolutely. I have become donkey of the day. It's the Breakfast Club, please, Delisa. Absolutely. I have become donkey of the day. Get to the breakfast club, bitches. You're a donkey. Donkey of the day goes to CPAC chairman and Trump advisor Matt Slap. Now, I want to take this time this morning to discuss with you cultural blind spots. We all have them. Most of the time we have them because what we think we know about other people is something we haven't experienced. It may be from something we read, something we saw in media, on TV or film,

heard on the radio, just observed in passing. We all make these assumptions about people. And what's dangerous about assumptions is when a set of assumptions about something becomes common knowledge, it forms a stereotype and some stereotypes are positive some are negative some are just dangerous some are straight up bigoted and prejudiced for example you know um black men have bigger penises that's a positive stereotype positive stereotype for black men negative stereotype for the women that believe that but then find out that's not true. Okay.

The dumb blonde. You know the attractive blonde woman. That's stupid as hell. I don't know who reinforced that on TV in your generation, but Kelly Bundy reinforced it in mine. Okay. The dumb blonde, that was just stupid. All right. White men not being able to jump.

They did a whole movie about it. Okay. How about white people not being able to dance? Lacking rhythm. It may not be a stereotype if it's true, but it's definitely some Caucasians out there who can dance. Word to Justin Timberlake. All I'm simply saying is stereotypical tropes are a thing.

Yesterday on Fox News, on a show Harris Faulkner was hosting, Matt Slatt was debating with a queen. John Hopkins University professor Wendy Osefo, drop on the clues bombs for Wendy Osefo. Wendy and I have done mental health discussions before at John Hopkins University in Baltimore. Great discussions. I enjoyed building with her and I'm glad she existed on this panel yesterday because there is a stereotypical trope that black men get labeled often that she corrected. Now, Matt and Wendy were discussing Donald Trump in his interview with Chris Wallace.

The discussion turned to Joe Biden and his cognitive skills, our lack thereof. And this is when Matt let his stereotypical trope about a black man fly. Let's hear it and pay attention after you hear it to hear what happened and how Wendy responded. Joe Biden is essentially trying to duck and cover, not have a full campaign, hang out in his house, and none of us are able to really see what he's got. He ought to take an hour and answer all the tough questions, and he ought to release his schedule every day that shows that he's full all day long with events. Instead, we see a speech here or there. He does interviews. He did an interview with a rap star,

and he couldn't even get through that without a big foible on the U8 Black. So I think the problem is, is Joe Biden is not running a fully energetic, real campaign. Wendy Osefo, I want to get your response to this. What we want to hear is facts. What are you going to do for those individuals who have lost family members due to the pandemic? What are you going to do to ensure that we do not have another issue like George Floyd within our police department? That's what we want to hear. And when, you know, Biden made the comment about African-Americans, that was not a rap star.

That was Charlamagne Tha God, who was a nationally syndicated radio host. You know, I know he's a black man, so you may think he's a rapper, but he's not. Dropping the clues bombs for Wendy Osefo again. Thank God for black women. What would Black Panther be without the Dora Milaj? My God. There is something about a black woman

getting somebody together on behalf of black people. Because what Wendy did wasn't for me that was for us okay educating matt slap in that moment in real time is exactly what needs to happen remember last week when i said if nick cannon was going to attempt to have a conversation about his assumptions of the jewish community he should have it with a jewish scholar or rabbi someone from that community who can correct his mistakes when he says something wrong, who can correct him if he says something they deem anti-Semitic.

That's what Wendy Osefo was for Matt Slap in that moment. See, rapper is a stereotypical trope that successful black men get labeled all the time because for whatever reason, when some white people do see us, if they see us at all, they can't see us as anything else. I mean, I'm clearly too short to be labeled a basketball player. So the only way I could be in first class on a flight or on your TV talking to a presidential candidate is because I rap. This happens to me all the time. I've seen so many of these mainstream. I know it happens to you.

You got confused with Drake. I've seen so many of these mainstream white publications label me a rapper. I've been on a flight. You've had white people ask me, you know, do I rap? Do I do music? I always reply, I'm a proctologist. And did I make a fart sound? I'm serious. But I'm not going to call Matt Slap a racist. For what? I'm going to just say he has a cultural blind spot. Okay. I can't fault him for what he doesn't know. Plus, I used to really

rap back in the day. Nothing serious, but I had a bar or two. And if all black people look alike to him, then hell, maybe we all look like rappers to him. Plus, I love rap. Tell him your rap name, son. I don't have a rap name. Maybe he's just familiar with the song Black Men Don't Cheat, and that's where he knew you from. No, that's not true. My rap name used

to be Dizzy Van Winkle. But listen, I love rap. You know, rap music has saved a lot of lives, took a lot of brothers and sisters out of rap music has saved a lot of lives took a lot of brothers and sisters out of the ghetto made a lot of brothers and entrepreneurs and has provided a lot of jobs for a lot of black and brown people so being referred to as a rap star i would call that a positive stereotype but a stereotype nonetheless and the moral of the story is contrary to this caucasian's culturally clueless belief,

all black men you see on TV are not rappers and athletes. And you should never assume that. Because, Matt, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me because that's how it's spelled. Please let Chelsea Handler give Matt Slap the biggest hee-haw. Hee-haw, hee-haw. That is way too much Dan Mayonnaise. Now, Envy, I've seen this happen to you in real time. Yes. Well, not in real time, on video.

Somebody mistook you for Drake. Yep. I get the same questions all the time. What team do you play for? No, you never get that. Stop. Stop. All the time.

Yes, I do. Maybe baseball. They do say you look like Carlos Puzar. Maybe baseball because you're Dominican. Maybe. No, I do. Maybe baseball. They do say you look like Carlos Puzar. Maybe baseball because you're Dominican. Maybe. No, I'm six foot. I'm six foot, so I get what team do you play for. I sat up.

Yesterday I got, am I a singer? I got that yesterday. So I get it all the time. Definitely singer. Definitely R&B vibes. Definitely Ne-Yo soul R&B vibes. Definitely. All right, we got more coming up next.

We're The Breakfast Club with The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. You're checking out the world's most dangerous morning show. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest on the line. The brother's back. That's right. Michael Eric Dyson.

Welcome back, brother. Hey, man. It's great to be here. I'm thinking of the greatest hits. I want to start off like put some respect on my name. All three of y'all, put some respect on my name. Oh, here's the number. Drake! Drake!

Drake! Michael Eric Dyson, the one and only, is here. He's put out his 17th millionth book. A Long Time Coming, A Re reckoning with race in america it's a great read um it's tough read very tough read why is it a tough read it's a tough read because like the first chapter is black death and then that's that's very hard to get through but literally the whole book's theme is essentially about black death and like one of my first questions was was it as difficult to write as it was for me to read?

Yes, but not as difficult as the people who died. That's right. You know, I'm from an older generation. I know people can't tell, but I'm older. I'm 62 years old. We didn't have safe spaces. We didn't have self-care. Things that are necessary and critical and vital.

But I know people say, give trigger warnings. I'm in class, my younger students, when I'm about to watch the Kendrick Lamar video about, you know, we going to be all right. Should you give a warning? I'm not even used to that. I don't even think that way. I know I'm sensitive to and empathetic with those who do, but I figured the people who died had no choice. That's right. Emmett Till had no choice. George Floyd had no choice. Breonna Taylor had no choice. The least we could do is to wrestle with and grapple with in an existential, personal, political, philosophical sense, the death that they endured.

And yes, is it tough? Absolutely. Am I trying to re-traumatize black people? No. But I'm saying at the same time, if they could sacrifice limb, corpuscle, blood, and body, then we can at least attempt to get inside their skin for a moment to see what they felt,

to know what the consequence of their death is, and for us to grapple with that as the basis for trying to talk about racial reckoning in America. So yeah, it was tough starting in the prelude with Elijah McClain, a 23-year-old young black man who some argued is on the spectrum, a sweet soul, as sweet as one could ever imagine. And here he is wearing a ski mask before COVID because he was, you know, he was anemic. Right. And as a result of that, he wanted to stay warm. And the police roll up on him.

He says, please respect the boundaries. I am articulate. I am speaking. And not only do they ignore him, they besiege him. They take hold of him. They put him in a chokehold, render him unconscious twice. The EMT arrives. They put ketamine in him.

And then a week later, render him unconscious twice. The EMT arrives, they put ketamine in him, and then a week later he's dead. I mean, this is the massive disregard for black life. This is the vicious, callous indifference to who we are. So I think the least we can do, yes, take a note. Yes, have a trigger warning. Yes, we have to deal with this. but I think we've got to honor their deaths in many ways. And one of them, it is at least understanding the horror and tragedy of what they confronted. I wanted to put that on paper as poignantly, as vividly, and in some instances, as graphically as I could so that we can get inside of the trauma that black people confront and those outside of it, so they can understand what we're up against.

But we get to a point now where it's like it doesn't stop. The young man, Casey Goodson, died. We just had his mom on air. And it's like, when does it stop? They keep doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. It's a great point. And when you parallel what you just said with the video that came out at the same time of a white guy getting stopped by the police, he has a gun in the seat next to him.

The police withdraw their revolvers and pistols from their holsters and point at the young man. He's arguing with them. I have a Second Amendment right. I have a right to have a gun. What you're doing is wrong. You can't have me step out of the car. He's arguing vigorously, aggressively, back and forth with them. They tell him to get out several times.

He refuses to do so. He says he will not. And as a result of that, they go back and forth three minutes. And at the end of it, he says, I'm driving off right now and pulls off. This is the astonishing parallel to black people like Jacob Blake walking around your car. And when you open the door and they see a knife, they've commenced

to shooting. Not because you've withdrawn that knife from your car and tried to hurt them. Not because you've threatened them. And by the way, the white guy threatened them twice to shoot them. He threatened them to their face. So that parallel is astonishing. No, it will never stop unless we do something about it. Maybe we could defund the police, my lord. Maybe we could have a radical reimagining of the police. Now look, I know we're going to get into the Obama quote, let me introduce it myself. I'm hosting myself today. Might as well do it, right? Yeah, I'm Charlemagne the light scan. So the thing is, for those who have been hurt and in pain, and for the question you just asked me, when's going to stop imagine that behind the attempt to reimagine policing all right so reimagining

policing means the police don't have a run or a copyright on public safety public safety is an obligation policing is one department that does it we can remove that department or decenter it if we just decenter it. If we decenter policing, that means other departments take care of responsibilities for public safety. Do you know 90% of what police do ain't about stopping people and shooting people and doing that kind of stuff or engaged in warfare with human beings who are citizens on the streets? They're getting cats from trees and doing innocuous stuff. The problem is, even when they do innocuous stuff with black folk, oh, Walter Scott, let me stop you in South

Carolina because your left turn signal doesn't work. And then a little while later, he's being shot seven times in the back by a policeman, right? That's the officer's leg, I think. So even the innocuous, the everyday, the non-offensive stuff that other people can take for granted, oh, thanks officer, thanks for stopping me, and thanks for giving me a warning, ends up with death with black people. So this is the desperation behind reimagining policing, reimagining what police people can do. So if we de-center them, because you know these police unions are powerful out of all proportion to their numbers in the population. Right there in New York City, they are racially

charged, they are racially insensitive, they don't want anybody reforming them. We have tried reform for how many years? That's right. How many decades have we tried to reform the police? Let's make sure that community policing works. Let's put community, let's put police people in the community that they're policing. So if you're coming in from Delaware and you go into Baltimore and you deal with a guy named Freddie Gray, you don't think of him, hey, that's my uncle, that's my cousin, that's my brother, that's my father, that's a kinfolk. And therefore, when he gets loud or he gets vituperative or he gets offensive or he gets pugnacious, I can deal with it because that's the kind of cat I already know. I know how to deal

with him. That's my home, people. So we tried that. That didn't work. We still get killed. We still get shot. Hands up, we get shot. Hands down, we get shot. Yes, sir, we get shot. No, sir, we get shot. George Floyd lying on the ground with ultimate respect. Officer, please, officer. He doesn't say, hey, dude. He doesn't say, get your MF. He doesn't curse. He treats with ultimate respect the person who is immediately responsible for his death. Just like Elijah did.

Same thing. Elijah said, hey, you're good people. You are very good people. I understand why you're doing what you do, but please stop. I wouldn't even hurt a fly. I don't even eat meat. Look at the respectability politics that have to be deployed to try to convince white people that I am a human being worthy of respect.

We have tried everything. more upset with people who use a term that you think puts them in jeopardy of not getting the goal they seek, then you are outraged at the hurt and pain that caused them to search for a word to begin with. All right, we got more with Michael Eric Dyson when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's EJ, Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Degas. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Michael Eric Dyson. Now, right before we left, we were getting into Barack Obama saying defund the police. Now, what are your thoughts? Now, Obama is looking at it from the perspective of those in power and those who are politicians.

That's right. Please understand that. Pharaoh has a different agenda than the people of Israel. That's right. Right? Now, and I'm not dissing Obama. I'm saying Pharaoh in terms of a job description. He runs the joint. He is the president of the United States of America. He is in political power. He is different than those who are on the ground

asking for requiring and demanding Pharaoh. Let my people go. The problem is for us is that Pharaoh is one of us. That's beautiful for many of us. We wanted Pharaoh to be us. I voted twice for Obama to, quote, be Pharaoh. But the problem is when we don't take into account, he is seeing it from their perspective, and I don't mind that. His point is, let me give you some advice here. If you're trying to get over, this ain't the way to do it for those who are in power.

But those on the street are saying, we've done it your way already. And let's be real. If Colin Kaepernick had not called it a protest, but called it a vigorous disagreement with the status quo, would it have made any difference? Is it really what the name is? Is it really the name you use? Is it really the description you give? Or is it the name you use? Is it really the description you give? Or is it the fact that you are black and challenging the status quo? If black people had not called it defunding the police, would it be more acceptable?

Perhaps. Look, I'm a leftist. I'm a progressive. I believe in being introspective and self-critical. So I don't want to automatically be mad at Barack Obama for saying, do you want the commercial or do you want the product? The commercial says, hey, I'm down with it. I'm defunding the police. The product is we actually get to dismantle the harmful structures and the systemic inequities that prevail. I stand in solidarity with those who want to defund the police. If you can charge them for being unfelicitous or infelicitous by using a word that is problematic, their lives are problematic to the dominant status quo.

Their lives are problematic to anybody in power who sees a threat to the police as dangerous to American society. Allow our lives being lost to be just as dangerous. So are you going to be outraged at the horrors that exist? Or are you going to be outraged at the people who are outraged by the horrors that they confront? And I think it is progress in America, in black America, when Barack Obama can be even gently criticized.

I agree. In office, that wasn't going to happen. You hater. If you criticize Obama, you are persona non-blacka. You are not a person, right? But now, a little bit, Charles Blow, New York Times, you have a curious post-presidency. You are scolding young black people.

And so I think it's legitimate and healthy. We can't be mad at white people for uncritically celebrating Donald Trump and then say we turn around if we have any criticism at all of Barack Obama, we are somehow read out of the race. Now, at the end of the day, can we embrace both perspectives? Can we be progressive and say, look, I don't give a darn what you call it. I want the police to be challenged because they are murdering, killing, harming, hurting, tasing, batoning, and shooting Black people at will. What is wronger? Using the words defunding the police or the police who need to be defunded or those who need to be redirected?

Of course, the police are worse. On the other hand, I think that the left has to be open and not thin-skinned. And we must say, say hey you know what even if this dude is not on our side even if we think what he's doing is centrist and uh deferential to the status quo and we ain't trying to reform the police we're trying to deconstruct them and take them apart because they have hurt and harmed us even if you want to do that it's all right if you choose a different route that might be a bit more savvy, that might appeal to those who you can,

if you will, recruit on your side to do your bidding with you and alongside you. So I think both of them can happen. I've only seen one centrist establishment Democrat mainstream who is Senator Harris, soon to be MVP Harris. She's the only person I saw answer the defund the police question correctly because she didn't even focus on the statement.

She talked about the why. She talked about what needed to, why that needed to happen. And then when Meghan McCain came back and goes, well, I agree with you, but do you believe in defunding the police? And then she flipped it back on her and said, define defunding the police. Right. That's what I wish Barack would have did. Just focus on the why. You know what the why

is. You know why these kids are screaming that. But see, that's the point. You say he knows why, but he hasn't said so. You give him the benefit of the clout. All right. Benefit of the clout. And the thing is, he ain't really said so.

Now, when you look at his whole interview, he was far more nuanced. And I wish he would have said, look, given that black people are being mowed down, let me be Barack Obama. Let me channel Barack Obama. Not his anger translator, but his nomenclature translator. Let me set you up. President Obama, what do you think of the slogan, Defund the Police? Well, you know, Charlemagne,

the thing is that we're living in a vicious society where black life is seen as not worth much. When we turn around every day, we see black people going down. Hands up, they get shot. Hands down, they get shot. No matter what they do. So the question is not will we defund the police. We tend to defund schools. Nobody has a problem. We defund social services for poor people. Nobody has a problem with defunding the police because it's getting to the nerve center of American power. And so I would not dare, using my bully pulpit and the enormous leverage I had, I sold 900,000 books the first day. Take that, Mike Dyson. Here I am as former president of the United States of America. I'm not going to use my leverage to hurt the people who, even if I disagree with the term they use, I agree with the hurt and pain being expressed. So inevitably,

if I say something critical about the terms they use, I'm going to be recruited as being in opposition to them. And if you look at all the headlines, that's all they're going to say. That's right. Barack Obama criticizes. So I'm going to be wise and say to you, Charlamagne Tha God, DJ Envy, and Angela Yee, that I defer that question to a bigger one. What can we do to stop black people from routinely dying

so that the streets of America don't run red with the blood of black people. Now, President, people feel that you didn't do anything for black people while you were in office. What do you say to that? I've got to go now. All right, we've got more with Michael Eric Dyson when we come back. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club.

Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Back, it's The Breakfast Club. DJ Envy, Breakfast Club. Back, it's The Breakfast Club. DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We have Michael Eric Dyson in the building. I thought about this the other day. I feel like white politicians are scared of defunding

the police because when they defund programs, what they are actually doing is abolishing them. So I think when they hear that, they're like, we're not getting rid of police because that's what they do when they defund. And look, I know the left will get upset, but we got to be self-critical. You got to learn how to play the game because don't act like you ain't in it. Don't act like you're progressive and radical. And therefore you outside the parameters of real politic that you

got to get down to the nitty gritty and understand how am I going to be successful in the job I have just because you're progressive and you should be just because you're radical and you should be just because you're revolutionary and you should be doesn't mean you don't have to think about packaging messaging how you articulate it and then to that degree I completely understand how we who want to challenge the policing of America must take that into account. And what you two just brilliantly laid out, right? Because we know the fear of white people is black people going to treat us like we treated them when they get in power. That's why they're trying to keep us out of power. Because they figure they'll do to us, Jiminy Cricket, what we did to them.

And that's not a good thing. But we ain't like that. Here's the kind of people we are. South Carolina, Emanuel Church, nine people get murdered. Before the bodies are cold. We forgive you. That's who we are.

So when we say defund the police, we actually mean that. We mean take $150 billion like they did in L. in la move it to an other part of the ledger that's what defunding means move money into other arenas where it deserves to be had and directed so that policing in america so that public safety in america will be something that is far more virtuous than vicious. And what we want, we want what the police did with that white boy. When, when,

even when we wrong and got a gun by our side and talking cash money trash to the police or to the public servant of public safety, our lives are protected because we are seen as human beings. So I'm down with that. I want to ask you a couple more questions before you get out of here. About the book in particular, A Long Time Coming, A Reckoning with Race in America, I feel like colors was a theme throughout this book.

Black death, blue plague, white theft, seeing red, white comfort, evergreen hope. What's the science in the colors? You are literally the first person who has asked me that question. And that was my intent from the get-go. I can't get you no more. I'm going to get you an extra book.

I'm going to get you an extra book. I'm going to let you interview me again just because you said that. I mean, that's exactly what i was about i'm about the color-coded misery that black people deal gold orb is the elijah mclean uh chapter because his co-worker said it was like a gold orb around him every time he came in black death black people dying right blue plague the police assaulting us. White death, colonization.

That's right. White colonization, white comfort, and the colonizing of black imaginations, the appropriation of black futures. And black death is the ultimate form of appropriation of black identity. The appropriation, literally literally of the black body. The evergreen hope of Reverend Clemente Pinckney, the white comfort that Sandra Bland disturbed. So, yes, I wanted to probe the coloring of America, the color coding of America, the obsession with color, the obsession with race, and I wanted to turn it inside out and talk about how

it's redounded negatively and played in such destructive fashion within Black America, and that was quite intentional. Thank you for picking that up, my friend. That's a great note to end on, then. I want everybody to go get a long time coming in a reckoning with race in America.

Michael Eric Dyson does not waste words. That's why he don't write blogs. He writes books. There you go. But you know what? The brothers, I write books like right hooks. That's what I do. That's right.

Number 23. I'm trying to drop them like I'm free. I'm trying to be like D and J N V, but really I'm trying to be Charlemagne to God. I got it in the cog of machinery. I do my thing. I see it. I believe it. I want you to conceive it and receive it by that book of machinery. I do my thing. I see it. I believe it.

I want you to conceive it and receive it. Buy that book. Help me out with my kids. I got to put them through college. Okay, they're already out, but I need to do something. Keep my body straight on the... All right, anyway, anyway, anyway. Doc, until next time, my brother.

Thank you. Thank y'all so very kindly. Peace, King. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Now, Charlamagne, you got a positive note? I do, man.

I want you to say to yourself, today I am in charge of how I feel, and today I am choosing happiness. And I want everybody this morning to just do a little small note to self, okay? A little small note to self. And remember that sometimes all it takes is one small positive thought in the morning to set the tone and improve your whole day.

Blessings to you. Breakfast Club, bitches. Y'all finished or y'all done? Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory.

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