The Breakfast Club - Flash Back to Young Thug interview and more

Episode Date: December 31, 2021

Happy New Years Eve! Today on the show we flashed back to when we had Young Thug stop by for the very first time, and spoke about growth, new music and even squashing his beef with Charlamagne. Also, we flashed back to when Charlamagne gave "Donkey of the Day" to relationship "guru" Derrick Jaxn after he was caught cheating on his wife. Moreover, we flashed back to when Lil Nas X stopped by for the first time and spoke about being unapologetic, new music, and trolling the haters. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God.

What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. We need help! That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast

Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. I'm Madison Packer, a pro hockey veteran going on my 10th season in New York. And I'm Anya Packer, a former pro hockey player and now a full Madison Packer stan. Anya and I met through hockey, and now we're married and moms to two awesome toddlers, ages two and four. And we're excited about our new podcast, Moms Who Puck, which talks about everything from pro hockey

to professional women's athletes to raising children and all the messiness in between. So listen to Moms Who Puck on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We'll be right back. Captain of this bitch. I stay in everybody's business, but in a good way. The ruler rubbing you the wrong way. Pay for everybody. Wake up, wake up. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed, we want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club.

Hello, who's this? Hey, what's up? 44 Shrill. What's going on? What's up, my G? Get it off your chest. Yep, just real quick. Charlamagne Poole be out of the water with that one. Waking up in the morning and just chucking some breakfast down. That's crazy for a man who doesn't fart in his own clothes.

I definitely don't fart in my own clothes. But when I'm home on the weekend, when I'm home on the weekend and I wake up on a Saturday morning, Sunday morning, when I wake up, breakfast is usually already done. So yes, I go right downstairs and eat. Yeah, those fowls get crazy because the bacteria that's still swallowing down there, that plaque on the teeth, bro.

That's crazy. I just, listen, honestly, I do not feel right. Even if I get up to go to the bathroom and I'm going right back in bed, I still get up and brush my teeth. But it's a habit. A$AP. Hold on, you get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom and brush your teeth?

No, in the morning. If I wake up on the weekend and it's like 7 a.m. and I'm going to get back in bed, I'll brush my teeth. And also, too, even if you do brush your teeth first thing in the morning, you're probably going to drink some water or something before you drink some orange juice. All liquids are horrible after brushing. Not water.

Not water. Water is fine. No, not exactly. All right. Put that out there, Mike. Okay. All right, brother. I'm with you.

Peace. Peace. Hello, who's this? It's Tyron. Tyron, what up? Get it off your chest. First off, I just want to say shout out to Charlotte Lane.

Shout out to Angelina. And a big shout out to DJ Envy. About five, six years ago, you had a show, a car show at the Highlight Stadium. I think that's what it was called. And I'm a performer. And you got me to perform at your car show. And after that, I've been getting gigs, getting my brand right. And I want to give you a big thank you for that.

Oh, okay. All right, well, yeah. Well, thank you, man. Can I shout out my Instagram? So if anybody wants to see my performances? Go ahead, bro. Ink Royalty. Ink.Royalty on Instagram.

I appreciate y'all. Y'all have a blessed day. Peace, King. Hello, who's this? This is Patrick Peters. How you doing, this boy? What's up, bro? Get off your chest. Hey, I want to give a big shout out to Yo Leisure because these guys

have been giving out free games every consistent week on the internet and not too many people talking. A couple times a week. Ian Dunlap. That man is the GOAT. I saw Ian yesterday.

He does not miss on this information because he knows what he's talking about. And I really not miss on this information because he knows what he's talking about. And I really want to give this information to all my brothers because we are the ones that are going to make a difference in this world. And the only way we're going to make a difference is if we go

out there and start grinding and listening to Earn Your Leisure. Earn Your Leisure, Ian Dunlap. And don't forget the Wall Street Trapper now. Salute to the Wall Street Trapper. Absolutely. Shout out to them. I just spoke to them

actually like maybe 20 minutes ago. They're actually on their way to Nigeria. EY yelling. Yeah, they're going out to Nigeria. I just spoke to them. So, Wisdom Brothers,

best of luck out in Nigeria and then I think they're heading to Egypt after. Hello, who's this? Hey, good morning. Stevie Steve. Stevie Steve, what up? Get it off your chest, bro.

Not much, man. How y'all doing? Good, good, good. Bless Black and Holly favorite. How you doing, King? Nothing, man. I'm doing good. I mean, my birthday coming up this weekend.

I'm going to give myself a birthday shout out. Okay. Go ahead, brother. Yeah, so I'm turning 31. No. Oh, shit. Ain't doing too much. How old you saying?

31? Yeah. That's young as hell, bro. Especially when I'm 43. That's young. You got a lot more to go. I ain't doing too much. How old you said? 31? Yeah. That's young as hell, bro. Especially when I'm 43. That's young. You got a lot more to go. I ain't doing too much. Nah, I was still mixy at 31. I'm chilling, man. So you just chilling this weekend?

Nah, I'm trying to go skating for real. Trying to do some old stuff like I did when I was young. That's cool. I'm with that. Where you from? I'm from Delaware. I called a couple weeks ago. I was trying to get on your Masters of Comedy. Oh, you're a comedian? Yeah, remember, I gave my comedy page out. I wanted y'all to check me out. Oh, yeah, I remember.

Okay. All right, well, happy birthday. Have fun skating. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give out your name again. It's Stevie Steve Comedy. Okay.

Instagram. I remember. Okay, got you. All right, brother. Yeah, I'm still waiting on you, Yee. Okay. Hello, who's this? Hello, this is Stephanie

hey Stephanie get it off your chest I just want to say that even though I'm going to a breakup I'm still blessed so I just want to tell people to keep their

head up even if that day only lasts 24 hours and also I want to say to Charlamagne that his books are helping me a lot

great oh thank you thank you very much and Charlamagne I would really really love if. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. I would really, really love if you follow me on Instagram. I love you so much. You mean a lot to me. I got you.

What's your Instagram? Maldo Teffy. Yeah, and I'm going to put you on hold. I'm going to put you on hold and get your address. I'm going to send you something. I'm going to send you Dr. Rita Walker,

the unapologetic guide to black mental health. And I'm going to send you... Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm going to send you Resm I'm going to send you Regimenica, my grandmother's hands too, because those books really helped me. So, Oh, thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it.

Hold on. I got you. Hold on. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the breakfast club. Good morning.

The breakfast club. Hey, what? Get it. Pick up the mother, mother phone and dial. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed. Say it with your chest. We want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club.

So you better have the same energy. Yeah. Hello, who's this? Hey, my name is Magnificent One Dre. I wanted to talk to y'all about somebody on Instagram. He claims he's a rapper. How y'all doing? Oh my gosh. Peace Magnificent One Dre. Who are you talking about?

So this dude named Joe, he tried to scam me for 30 bucks for a beat. I sold him. And I put him on Instagram. Yeah, yeah. It's on my story. It's on there and all that. Y'all can go see it and all that. You sold him a beat for $30 and he didn't pay for it? No, he tried to scam me for DoorDash.

Oh, okay. But then he came into my Instagram like, hey, you see that $30 I got you for? I'm like, yeah, the one I didn't go through, I've seen it. Okay, well. Yeah, so I just want to let y'all know these little rappers out here, they scammers, they try to get you for a little money. You know what I'm saying? But it little money. You know what I'm saying?

But it never works. You know what I'm saying? But, hey, Charlamagne, I love your show. What did you say, King? I was saying, Charlamagne, I love your show. I downloaded Paramount specifically for your show. I love it. I watch it all the time.

Angela Lee, I listen to your lip service all the time. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? DJ Envy, man, listen. I love your show. I love Breakfast Club. Y'all do a wonderful job. It sounds like you love us.

I appreciate it. Just an old magnificent one. Thank you. Every day. You know what I'm saying? No weapon formed against you, Shal Prosper. All right.

Well, thank you, bro. Already. No producers, no rappers stealing money from you, South Prosper. You remember that, sir. Hello. Who's this? Yo, it's John. John, what up?

Get it off your chest. Hey, good morning, y'all. I want to say, man, how are they the only HBCUs doing drama stuff to the students? Like, I coach football. I was a high school teacher in college. I'm a high school coach. I ended up leaving my position to become a coach at HBCU. And I literally didn't get paid until August 3rd until the day I quit,

which was last week. Wow. What was the HBCU? I don't even want to do it right now because I got a lot of black pride. True. Damn, I'm sorry to hear that, brother. Yeah, man. It's crazy because you want to lot of black pride, but... True. Damn, I'm sorry to hear that, brother. Yeah, man. It's crazy because you want to support,

you know what I'm saying, your own kind, but at the end of the day, they do you worse than, you know what I'm saying, the PWIs do. But, I mean, not to make any excuses, the PWIs make a lot more money. Yeah, they get a lot. You know what I mean? But you should have definitely gotten paid for your work.

I mean, I don't even understand how that's possible. Absolutely. Man, it was insane. don't even understand how that's possible. Absolutely. Man, it was insane. But I appreciate y'all's time. Are you ever going to get your money? How does that work now? He said he got paid. So what happened was, it was four people in my position.

One of them quit, and then he got paid right after he quit. The other three of us were still working like, damn, we're going to get our check. And we kept working. So another month passed. I ended up quitting, and right back where I got paid. Okay. So it seems like they're trying to push you to quit. That's so weird.

That's crazy. Well, I'm glad you got your money finally. Yeah, the free labor. Yeah, appreciate it. Thank y'all. All righty, man. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Hit us up right now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Hey, guys.

I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real inspiring stories from the people, you know,

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I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tried my country. My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God.

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Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The right back. is you might have heard him on the earn your leisure podcast I missed you that week right yeah yeah yeah yeah I'll go back home a lot so I haven't back to New Orleans to be with my daughter when you can't yeah I'm talking to Matt about I'm talking to you about that though definitely yes you know 85 South Show Carlos and the crew appreciate those guys DC Chico Chad yeah yeah yeah yeah let's break down why you the Wall Street trap well man first and, man, first and foremost, let me say this, man. Charlotte, man, I want to tell you, man, I appreciate you, brother.

You're the first black man I ever heard talk about mental health. And just coming from where I'm from in New Orleans, man, you know, I saw my moms get shot when I was nine. I wound up going to prison at 16 for shooting a man. And just being in the hood, coming up in the streets, man, you never know how how trauma affects you so i really got a therapist now man wow so i i want to tell you man i appreciate you for that love king for real i appreciate you for that um yeah just a wall

street trapper man grew up in new orleans man some of my moms get shot went to prison all that stuff um my story ain't no different to many other people but just in prison i got introduced to stocks a white guy told me this i had just had a fight with two of my so-called friends man um and he had a look of frustration on his face right and he was just like man y'all playing the wrong game and in my mind i'm like how we playing the wrong game you were here with me but he told me some profound stuff man he said so and i had a red band on so in the wall is a red band means attempt murder murder on robber carjack and violent offense and he had a red and white band on which mean he was going to the feds and he was like i can almost promise you you're in here for something less than a hundred thousand dollars and i was like for sure he was like well I embezzled 2.8 million from my

company pay restitution to 800,000 I still kept 2 million I'm only doing 18 months he was like how much time you have I was 16 at the time I had 10 years he was like now you understand I was like man you lying man you ain't got that much money one about being in prison, you always have your paperwork with you. So he showed me his paperwork. I see it in black and white. He's showing me the places he been to. And I'm like, yo, I need to play that game. Like, what is that?

And he was just like, listen, one of the first things you got to stop doing is like stop trading your time for money. Start learning to make your money work for you. And then he tells me wealthy people invest in stocks. They start a business and then they buy real estate. You do those three things, your life will change. So the rest of my 10 years, I dedicated myself to like, yo, I just got to learn how to play it. Started dedicating myself to reading. And I was like, damn, like this is different.

I see a bunch of white men making a whole lot of money. Like, why have I never been taught this? Like, why we never taught this? And just coming back home from prison, Mike Tyson said it best, man. Everybody got a plan until they get punched in the face. Right? So I got back home.

I got this idea. I see it. How do I get money? Like, I get back in the streets. That's what I know how to do. My grandma went to the feds. My mom, like, this is what I know how to do. This is my environment. No matter what I know, I got to get money to the feds my mom like this what I know how to do This is my environment no matter what I know I got to get money

So I get back in the streets man and just in that whole process. I'm like I cool This is what it is my mind. I'm gonna just use my hustle money to invest in a stock market like this I'm thinking it's gonna work kind of didn't go that way. I catch another charge The fed the NARC's kick my doing. 10 pounds of weed, $10,000. I was facing another 35 years. That cost me $60,000. So everything that I had worked for in the streets, I had done lost it again. So, man, just God came to me one day, and he was like, man, you're playing the wrong game.

And it just, I had an epiphany. So I was like, all right, cool. So I still didn't get it, though, because I got back in the streets but this time i couldn't hustle so i started robbing you know hustlers like that's the next best thing for me in my mind like the streets is what i know how to do um and then i just all right let me do something then so i just started reading it again i always was a smart dude so i'm like all right let me just try it then so i started really getting into it like all right yo this makes sense like damn i see why they don't teach us this this powerful like 70% of everything that we use and consume with our money is on a stock market and I started teaching my homies and I was like I know how do I make it realistic to them how

do I make them tap into it right so I can't talk to everybody but I can talk to street dudes like I can talk to them something like you'll check this out if you go do a bid which is gonna happen what do you come home to like you got to get back in the streets you got to get it out the mud again so if you have money invested for you when you come home you got money you don't gotta ask nobody for no handout like so let's start thinking bigger picture now what happens if you get killed in the street cuz most of us need to go to jail or we get killed what do you leave your kids like let's start making it make sense so the goal

for me was to never tell you get out the streets it was to start saying yo let's start thinking about our family now like let's start thinking about something bigger than us and nobody never came to us like that so that was my whole avenue and so the wall street trap was me just saying let me turn the trap over into something. Instead of always being about dope, instead of always being about hustling. And I knew my voice for who I was talking to. I never wanted to talk to nobody else. All right, we got more with the Wall Street Trapper. When we come back, it's The Breakfast Club.

Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with The Wall Street Trapper. Charlamagne. Mr. Trapper, what was the first amount of money you invested into the stock market? And what stock was it?

It was $10,000. I invested it in Ford. Probably the worst investment I made in the beginning because I was just going off of everybody got a Mustang. This was before I learned the fundamentals. And I realized that it was a bad company. I did that too. I brought you involved too. Yeah, I thought it was a bad company.

What'd you get me in? Under Armour. I wanted to do Under Armour cause in my head it was Steph Curry was endorsing it. And I was like, everything Steph Curry's attached to, I felt comfortable about at that time. It did good for a month. It could still that time. It did good for a month. It could still come back.

It did good for a couple months. So I own a company called Lululemon. Now, when you say you own a company, you invest in a company, you call yourself ownership. No, I'm an owner. So I'm glad you said that. When you buy stock in a business, you are part owner at that point. Like, no BS yes

you are listen I teach my daughter that I was like stank you own 250 shares of Disney she was like daddy I own Mickey Mouse I see you damn right like you get voting rights like they send you emails at you this is what it's called in a proxy statement yo this is we're doing this is what we lost money at This is how we plan on making money. Oh, and by the way, we declaring a 50 cent dividend That's to you as an owner of stock You are now entitled to a portion of the profit that that business make What makes you better is the more ownership you have the more more say-so you have. Absolutely. You feel what I'm saying?

As with anything. So instead of Under Armour, I bought Lululemon because I felt it was a better business. I should have bought Lululemon. Yeah, that worked out for you. But even so, you do real estate. What people don't know is you can get into real estate in the stock market. It's called Real Estate Investment Trust, REITs. So just think about this.

Walmart, Amazon, McDonald's, they're not in the real estate investment trust REITs right so just think about this Walmart Amazon they're not in a really McDonald's they not in the real estate business so safe but they can go to somebody and say yo I need a warehouse made a thousand squeak by 1,000 square feet the people gonna come to them and say okay cool we'll make the will build it for you but you have to sign a lease with us triple net lease right and that's just simply saying I'll provide the building you pay all the bills 50 at least right so now as an investor I can say I own the company who where Amazon pays rent to I own a company that Walmart pays rent to 7-eleven I own a company called Oh

really right they pay dividends every month they own 7-Eleven, Walgreens, Planet Fitness, Home Depot. So I own the people they pay rent to. So essentially you can still get into real estate that way. Yeah. What do you think you would be if you didn't go to jail? I tell people that's the most important part of my life. I would never take that 10 years back. Like I did it. You can't. Time is our most important asset. But for me, that elevated my who I am as a man, who I am as a father to another level. Without prison, there is no law street trap. 100%. I ask that question because like I always say, prisons aren't real correctional facilities.

Hell no. But if there was actual teachers there instead of the guy that you was, you know, that was there doing a bit with you. Somebody that could actually plant seeds in you and say, yo, Trapper,

why don't you come do this stock exchange thing for real? Go to classes while you're here. You could come out a better human. But we need people like you

that does that. Nah, I'm really trying to get back in prisons right now. Like, that's something, like, I'm heavy.

I was talking to my guy, Andre Norman, like, yo, I need to get back in the trap for real. Like, I am my brother to get back in a trap for real like I am my brother's keepers in the way because once I had a knowledge and I'll teach it to him then I'm at fault not him each one teach one you feel me so I started

holding myself accountable for teaching my brother's stuff and so I had to relearn a whole bunch of stuff like my actions my ways my demeanor me seen another black man not looking at him like I got something against him, but looking at him like, what's good, King? How you doing? Like, how can, like, let me let me diffuse it early. That dialogue, it changed. So now you're receptive to what I got to say. That's why I love your story, because it literally just shows all you got to do is pour into brothers and sisters, man. Like we, just because you grew up in a certain environment, we not set in our ways. We just don't know any other ways. Learn behavior.

That's it. It's learn behavior. Thank you for joining us, brother. Thank y'all, brother. Thank y'all, man. Give me information, Instagram. Oh, for sure, man. Wallstreettrapper on Instagram is wall underscore street underscore trapper.

And on YouTube, it's just Wallstreettrapper, man. Check me out. I drop a lot of information every day, all day on Instagram and YouTube. So just holler at me, man. Let's get it. Let's trap. Big trap. Alright. Well, it's The Breakfast Club. It's Wall Street Trapper. Appreciate y'all, man. It's topic time.

Call 800-585-1051 to join in to the discussion with The Breakfast Club. Talk about it. Morning it's dj envy angela yee charlotte the guy we are the breakfast club now if you just join us it's friday so you know what that means it's freaky freaky freaky friday hey guys i'm kate max you might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys,

and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this.

It's surprisingly easy. There are 55 gallons of water for 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader

of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe own country. My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead.

Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullet holes, yeah. We need help! We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Marie.

And I'm Sydney. And we're Mess. Well, not a mess, but on our podcast called Mess, we celebrate all things messy. But the gag is not everything is a mess. Sometimes it's just living. Yeah, things like J-Lo on her third divorce. Living. Girls trip to Miami.

Mess. Oh, Zempik. Messy, skinny living. Restaurant stealing a birthday cake. Mess. Ozempic. Messy, skinny living. Restaurant stealing a birthday cake. Mess. Wait, what flavor was the cake, though? Okay, that's a good question. Hooking up with someone in accounting and then getting a promotion.

Living. Breaking up with your girlfriend while on Instagram Live. Living. It's kind of mess. Yeah. Well, you get it. Got it? Live, love of mess. Yeah. Well, you get it. Got it? Live, love, mess.

Listen to Mess with Sydney Washington and Marie Faustin on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, and the freaky,

freaky, freaky Friday question comes from Toosie who stopped doing and we were talking about this. You think that five minutes is the right amount

of time to have sex? Hell yeah. Five minutes is enough time. Like, I ain't saying, like, five minutes is enough time. We just going to go for five minutes and we done. But I'm saying, like, five minutes is enough time to get the job done for sure. Absolutely. So, 800-585-1051.

Is five minutes enough for sex? Now, Charlamagne says yes. No. No, let me say this. I'm not saying five minutes is the ideal time. What I am saying is if you're doing it right, five minutes is more than enough. That's almost two boxing rounds. Okay?

Everybody can get off in five minutes. Does this include foreplay? How are you talking for everybody? This is sex. Foreplay. What do you do? Lick one nipple and then go straight to theplay? How are you talking for everybody? This is sex. Foreplay. What do you do? Lick one nipple and then go straight to the vagina? What are you doing? What's wrong with that direction?

Why is that route wrong? No, I'm just asking. What's wrong with that route? Isn't that the route? Don't you spend time on the foreplay? Don't you spend time on you? I ain't about to tell all my business, but, you know, everybody don't like the nipple action.

You did already. You said five minutes. All I'm simply saying is five minutes is enough for everybody to get off. Okay? Somebody's faking it. Because I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. She probably like, uh.

If I go downtown, like SWV says. Why you say it like that? Downtown. If I go downtown, like SWV says. They did not say it like that. and I do four minutes, right? And wifey gets off, I only need 45 seconds. Let me tell you how you know she's faking it. If she started doing this, oh, yeah, that's great.

Oh, hurry up. Well, not hurry up, but you say things to try to make him hurry. There's other things the body does that you know she really got off. Okay. But you don't experience. I don't want to say what those things are. You don't eat the boonky. You don't eat.

You know, like you just go. Anyway, Envy, how long do you last? You don't eat the boonky. You don't? Downtown? You don't go downtown to eat the boonky? That's not downtown. Envy, what do you think is a good amount of time?

I say for a full 20 minutes. 20 minutes. 20 minutes. That's everything. That's foreplay and everything included. Yes. Why you do your hand like this? Why you do everything like this?

You move your hand like that. Wax off. What's wrong with you? Mr. Miyagi, I'm practicing for later. Listen, but this is what I'm talking about, right? How long does it take to get off? Not how long. I think it's quicker for guys and it takes longer for women.

Because even like biologically, it's just a fact. It takes a lot longer for us to get to that point. It takes more foreplay for y'all. You guys are just go, you know? We just like, what? What the hell is that? You know how y'all do. Wait, what was that, Guy?

But I do feel like I think a good like 12 minutes is a good amount of time. Great time. Because it's not like sometimes it's too long and you'd be like, all right, my show's about to come on. And too short, you just feel cheated. You feel like, man, I just did all this for five minutes. I don't think y'all understand time. I think if y'all listen to what Angelique said, that makes perfect sense. 12 minutes is four rounds of boxing.

These exhibition fights is only six rounds. That's a long time. By the way, sex is not boxing. I just wanted to put that out there. Yeah, he was comparing it to boxing. You don't kiss. You don't. Why are you looking at me like that when I said kiss?

Charlamagne, you don't. I said kiss. Charlamagne, look at me crazy. I didn't look at you crazy. Because if you have sex like you're boxing, then that's an issue. That's his problem. Okay. That's his problem. Okay. That's his problem.

Let's go to the phone lines. I'm not saying five minutes is an ideal time. I'm just saying five minutes is enough. That's all I'm saying. Let's go to the phone lines. Hello, who's this? Miss Mary. Hey, Mary.

Good morning. Hey, Mary. Miss Mary, she said. Good morning. Not Mary. Miss Mary. Miss Mary. Mac, Mac, Mac.

Oh, dressed in black. Remember that? Oh, my goodness. I hate that. I know you do. You probably heard it so much in your life. Is five minutes enough time for sex, Mama? I say no.

What's your magic number? I say seven. That's God's number. That's God's number. Two more minutes? Seven for both of y'all to reach orgasm? That's two boxing rounds. I knocked you out at the beginning of the third.

That's my natural self. I have it tatted on me. But I would say give me like a good 20. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I said 20 is good. 20 is good for both sides. That's good. Man.

She needs five minutes and 15 seconds. These movies and these songs gassed us up when we was young. We thought we were supposed to be having sex all night long. You know what I mean? Ain't nobody got time for that. Okay, two minute, man. Hello, who's this how you doing man i'm robert orange freaky cousin robert horny okay all right i know where this is going all right robert horny is five minutes enough for sex hell yeah i mean if i if it don't the round one don't last if it lasts one in five minutes you don't have to walk for it. Wait, the round one.

So you're going another round. Oh, of course. I mean, there's ways around that. I ain't got to stop what I'm doing, start eating again so I can save time. What's wrong? Hold on. Back it up. Back it up.

So you're saying that if it lasts more than five minutes, that means that she's no good? I'm not saying she's no good. No. I'm just saying I've had better. It's something to this. I tell people this all the time. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if a man is having sex with you for hours,

something's wrong. Hours. Like, for real. Nobody's saying hours, but there's a big difference between five minutes and hours. Nah. Because I also feel like guys

should also be able to know, what do they call it? Edging, right? How to get there, but then you pull back, then you get there again, then you pull back. Because you know you got to stop for a second or change position. But if I don't have to stop for a second. That's not even true.

It's not true. It's not true. It's impossible. Y'all need to stop lying. There's no such thing as edging. When that thing come, it's ****. You hear me? No.

Okay. You can't stop the bum rush. When he's like, don't move, don't move, don't move. Absolutely, yeah. I'm going to teach you a couple of things, Charlamagne. That sounds crazy. You know what? You're just taking this too far. Corporate told us to

dial back on the kinky. We're going to teach you a few things. Alright, you're going to have to stop doing this to me, okay? He's going to teach you some edging. I can show you some things, Charlamagne. You know how to drive thick? I can learn. Charlamagne, don't move.

Don't move. Oh, my goodness. Hello, who's this? Hey, yo, this is Mondo. Mondo. He said Mondo. He said Mondo. Oh, Mondo.

I thought you said Mondo. It's on Charlamagne's mind, brother. What's up, Mondo. He said Mondo, man. Oh, Mondo. I thought you said Mondo. It was on Charlamagne's mind, brother. What's up, Mondo? What's up? Tell him how five minutes is enough time, King. Five minutes is definitely enough time if you just want to, you know what I mean, go ahead and kick a man through your face. But it ain't enough time to make a sexual connection with your girl, though.

Right. It's not enough time if you care. Right. If somebody cared about you, they'd be there longer than five minutes. Yeah, but you ain't going to learn anything about her body or anything like that. That was your girl, you feel me? But at the same time, she's going to get a n***a, you're going to get a n***a, you feel me? Me and my girl, we got four kids, you feel me?

So sometimes you got to get in there and get out, you feel me? For them other kids coming to the room, God damn right. I wouldn't want my parents to be like, we made you in five minutes. I think this conversation is going a little in the wrong direction. Because we're not saying five minutes is the ideal time. We're just saying five minutes is enough for both parties to get off. He said it was the ideal time. No, you can have, you can get it off in five minutes.

But I don't think that should be the goal. No, that's not the goal. Well, the goal is to get it. Yeah, I'm with Nick. Nick is like Nick the camera man. And the goal is to get it. for five minutes. Of course you can, but I don't think that should be the goal. No, that's not the goal. Well, the goal is to get it. Yeah, I'm with Nick. Nick is like Nick the camera man. The goal is to get it. You're with Nick? If she gets it and I get it, then we got it.

That's it. Oh, my goodness. The game is over. Because, you know, I'm 42. First round knockouts for me because there ain't no other rounds. Yeah, I'm with you. Ain't no other rounds. The ammo is expensive.

Bullets are expensive when you're 42, okay? All right. Well, what's the moral of the story? Like I said, five minutes may not be the ideal time, but I think it's enough for everybody to get up. Well, let's all shoot to be ideal. Yeah. There you go.

That's all. My goodness. All right, we got more coming up next, so don't move. Happy holidays. Don't go anywhere. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club.

Yep, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee, DJ Envy. We got a special guest in the building. His first time on The Breakfast Club. Do we call you Mr. Slime, Mr. Williams, Mr. Thug, Mr. Sex? Maybe Young Thug. Mr. Sex. Mr. Sex.

Mr. Sex, okay. How are you, sir? I'm happy to see you here, man, for real. I'm happy to see youug, Mr. Sex. Maybe Young Thug. Mr. Sex. Mr. Sex. Mr. Sex, okay. How are you, sir? I'm happy to see you here, man, for real. I'm happy to see you too, man. It's been a long time. What kept you away from the Breakfast Club all these years? I don't know. I think it's me and your misunderstanding.

Oh, my f***ing God. Freak. Let's address the elephant in the room first, though, because you and Charlamagne had exchanged That's what he just said. I don't see it. I'm trying to remember even because that was so long ago. I guess that was over Birdman initially.

Yeah, yeah. Charlamagne, that n**** was touching you boy. Told you a ****. That n**** beat that **** up. It was all talk. I never understood. I could have seen so far. We all just talking ****. It ain't no. I never understood. I could have seen so far.

We all just talking shit. It ain't no... No, absolutely. No, it was never like... And then I was kind of young back then. I would admit, I ain't understand blogging. Back then, I was young and just fresh in the game

to the point where I ain't understand this shit and how important it is and how much you have to be how you is. Absolutely. But I will say, I made one of the worst hip-hop predictions about 10 years ago. When I did Vlad TV, they asked me, they said, who's going to be around longer, Rich Homie Quan or Young Thug? And I said, probably Rich Homie Quan.

Clearly, I was wrong. Clearly, I was wrong. How do you feel about that? I mean, you don't get them all right. You was wrong. How do you feel about that? I mean, you don't get them all right. You was wrong. You were wrong. I was wrong. I was definitely wrong.

But then also, too, I would hear people in Atlanta talk about you from a street perspective. So I was like, well, he seemed like he in too deep. Never too deep. You got to have your head on right, man. I just gained, you know, like right man i just gained you know like knowledge and growth you know oh it's evident you can see it became older certain things you just don't want to deal with man i kind of grew out of it though you're out of what just uh just feeling young and just like doing young like arguing on it and you know yeah none of that never really

meant man back then it did, though, because I was just like new to the industry. That's why I was so mad at you just because I was like, I was fresh out of the ghetto. So seeing that type of shit back then,

you're like, what the fuck is this shit? No, I get it, I get it. You said you was going to torture him and Charlamagne was like, I'm not going nowhere. That shit thought

that he was going to kidnap me and torture me. I ain't never heard no shit like that. It was right after the Birdman ****. I said, Charlemagne, we're going to torture you, boy. We're going to beat you the **** up. Wayne about to come to Atlanta.

We're going to see if he's tough. Nope. I'm not going nowhere near Atlanta after something like that. He got talked to Birdman like two weeks ago, too, man. Bank put us on the phone together. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all came up.

Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, listen, he's from the South. I'm just from the South. I respect that man. That man put a lot of money in black people's pockets. You know, I don't never want to get that misconstrued. You know what I mean? Right.

The crazy part is, even back then, I would always get calls from my folks in Atlanta like, bro, thug the real deal. Even before you even, like, popped off always get calls from my folks in Atlanta like, bro, Doug the Real Deal. Even before you even popped off when you had Stoner out. I think it was Stoner. I forgot the other record. Like rappers be in the studio with you like, man, that's in here with guns right now.

And I don't know if this is true. Somebody said you used to walk around with tampons in case you got shot. I swear a rapper told me. I ain't going to say the rapper name, but I swear a rapper told me that. Walk around with tampons. Yes, in case you got shot you could put the I don't ever think I was at the point where I was preparing myself to get popped, to get shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was imagining you like, I need a tampon. Young Thug's like, I got one for you. How do you know it was him, though? When you said 10 years ago, he's one of the guys that kind of met me when I was, you know, on the rise. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Upcoming artist, he met me back then. And he always tell people a funny story about me being in a radio station with a gun.

Mm-hmm. But we wasn't on no stupid shit. Just like, I damn near forgot it. I had it on me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Atlanta, you know, our laws are different. So, like, we can have guns. Absolutely.

You don't have one on you now, do you? Yeah. Don't do that to him. Don't do that to him. What would 2021 Thug Tell 2011 Thug? You were right Like you saw all of this

Like you saw you becoming The mogul With the music Yes I guess people can say Even fashion icon Yes Influencing the game

With your music I was always good at that Like influencing Dressing I was like The big dog in my hood Before rap I was 16 years old that, like, influencing, dressing. I was like the big dog in my hood before rap. I was 16 years old, like, running the whole hood. So I always, like, I dealt with that my whole entire career.

I still want to go back to the past, man, because I want to talk about the myth of Young Thug. I used to hear so much shit about you. I heard that you was protecting the city of Atlanta, basically, after Katrina. Because it was people coming into the city. It was robbing folks and killing folks. And you was on some superhero avenging shit, like protecting the city of Atlanta.

Who do you think you're getting your information from about me? I just missed. The f***ing legend. I honestly don't think nobody told you that. I promise you. I think you just think that. No, man. Now you can look at somebody like,

I bet this shit had to f***ing hold on. That was actually right, though. New Orleans boys. That's right. They tough. It was like right after Katrina, they had a list of people they wanted to take out in the city. They was trying to extort.

They was extorting a few people. But it's just like, I never wouldn't look for nobody in there. It just ended up coming to our hood. That's what I heard. I heard it was defense. It was all defense. Thugs on the front lines protecting the city of ATF.

This was before rap, though. Yep. I'm only like 11, 12. Just got guns. I probably had my first gun at like 9 or 10. But they said it was grown rappers coming to you, though. Not facts. How did that all simmer down?

Did it just over time? Yeah. So many people had ended up going to jail dealing with that shit. It was probably like 20 people that got life sentences. Wow. About this situation. When you look back on it, though, you can understand. I guess you can understand why they was doing what they was doing,

because they was just kind of like starving. Right. I respect it, though. Just growing up starving and right i respect it though just growing up i respect it back then i'm just like what happened to y'all don't care about nothing not about to do that but growing up i would definitely do the same thing they did they actually actually didn't do anything wrong and you didn't do nothing wrong either by protecting it right you think in general when you first started doing music, they were pretty supportive of you? Yeah.

I was already popular before I started doing music. At one point, I was popular for being the youngest in Atlanta getting shot, shooting people. I got shot, and I think I was like 12, 13, my first time getting shot. Damn. What happened? You don't feel like talking, 13, my first time getting shot. Damn. What happened? You don't feel like talking about it? It was a shootout.

Some niggas just pulled up in our hood, rolled down the window. You know what's so crazy? One of the guys is my best friend now. He a rapper too, right? No. Oh, okay. He's a rapper. 21?

No, it wasn't him, though. It was some niggas from his side of town. Now this is like my best friend. This is what's happening. How does that happen? How does that transition of him becoming one of your best friends? He ended up going to jail like three

times. Not for that. He didn't ever go to jail for shooting me. He ended up going to prison like three times though. Doing like five years, three years, two years like that. I think I just grew a heart from him because of prison. I'm just like, this keep going to prison. i can't even hear this that ain't funny man you like the joker forever the other thing they used to say about you they used to be like yo

i used to get calls like no listen he's like the joker i'm like a man i'm actually a warm-hearted like i'm really calm cool good hearted guy i I'm hands-on, so I see sides of people that you probably wouldn't see. I like the lesson in the fact that you and homie is cool now, though. You know what I mean? Because a lot of youngins can learn from that. You don't got to be final with your ops all the time. And they don't got to start because all this shit happened. A few of them got shot.

A few of us got shot. But now we friends, so all that was for them. Everybody jeopard them got shot. A few of us got shot. But now we're friends. So all that was for them. Everybody jeopardized their life. Everybody could have went to prison. And it was about then. All right, we got more with Young Thug. When we come back, don't move.

It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Young Thug. Yee. Well, you're a very loyal person.

So if somebody in your crew doesn't get along with somebody, that automatically means you don't either, right? Or how does that work? Do you try to squash things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be the person to try to squash. Because I just like, I don't know, man. I'm getting older.

I remember just like seeing my mom cry when my brother died. I'm like, f***, I just don't want to see nobody's mom cry. Wow. People got families too. Yeah, yeah. My mom probably didn't go to sleep five years straight. My brother died, you know? Mm-hmm.

So I just, I'm older, so I guess I just think about that type of shit more. And you're blessed, right? Because a lot of people don't, God don't give everybody that opportunity to even have that type of reflection. Right. To even look back on it and be like, man, that was for nothing. And he overgave us the opportunity, like, a few times. We did a lot of dummy missions with millions of dollars.

We did a few stupid shits that could've got everything took. Think about life without you. Like think about all the people

that you provide for all the people you done put on. You done help put in position. There's no you. There's probably no Gunna. There's probably no Baby.

Who knows? Right. Thank God. That's the other story. The other story is that's true though. You gave Baby money to get out the street to rap. The other story, that's true, though. You gave Baby money to get out the street to rap. Just going to the hood because he like money.

If he can make $5,000, $10,000 every day, that's the only way he'll stay out the hood if he can make the same money that he making in the hood. Because if he just sit in the hood, he going to make $10,000, $20,000 every day. Profit, all profit. What did you see in Little Baby back then? Because he was still in the street, fresh.

What did you see in him back then that said, nah, bro, I'm going to pay you to stay out the street and rap? I was scared for him to go back to jail because he just did. Yeah, he just did a bit. He got straight out of jail and went straight back to the same neighborhood, the same house that the police bust and locked him up. He went right back to the same house. It was a spot, you know?

But I also, he was popular too. He was, he reminded me of like when I, before rap, because I was popular before rap.

He was popular, he was popular too. Before rap, he was like getting a lot of likes on his Instagram and people like, oh,

he got like nice ass captions and shit. I'm like, yo, you should try to make a song, bro. You'd probably be crazy. Just show him the life

and like took him with me a few times everywhere and he started saying like, oh damn, should try to make a song, bro. You'd probably be crazy. Just show him the life and took him with me a few times everywhere. He started saying, oh, damn, this is easy. We grew up together, too. It makes it feel like it's easy. If he seen me do it, he seen me do every single thing. He's just like, yeah, I can do it. But I really used to pay this to go to the studio.

How much? You said five a day? We getting like $5,000, $2,000, $3,000. He was a young man. I might be gone to la for three days so like here go four thousand but he's still hustling he's still getting real he's getting his own money but he got a gambling problem i hear that all gambling problem he for sure lost 10 times more money than he ever had why not put him on on YSL? YSL wasn't established back then. Yeah, it was.

I was dealing with a lot of court shit. I was dealing with so much shit. I'm like, I ain't bringing him in. He just got out of prison for the same shit. I'm like, man, I'm going to tighten up. And I was like, man, you know what? Let's take you to my buddy, man. P, he a good guy.

He's going to focus. I mean, that's honorable, though, just to bring him to P and say. I am. This was literally the sign to me. Gucci had you in the kind of same situation, right? Yeah. He ended up going to prison. He probably spent so many millions of dollars finding the case just to get the three or four years that he did.

He spent probably all of his money. So he just sold some of his assets. You know what I'm saying? That was just one of the assets. OK. He's over to the label you know is it easier for you to talk about things now that you're

a little older and things are more in the past cause I noticed on the album right you started off with Die Slow and you tell some

personal things it sounds like you're just having a conversation so how hard was that for you to make that decision to put that all out there it was hard

because and it's only because I just don't like people to feel like they know me. I liked it better when Charlemagne just was like, damn,

I wonder how he is. Right. You hear all these stories. As opposed to, oh, he's a cool guy. I mean, it's dope, though, because you have one perception to people looking

and you're throwing people off and you're like, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? But then you're hearing these stories and you're like, for real?

So me personally, you got to believe the street, right? Yeah, you better. Believe in're like, for real? So me personally, you gotta believe the street, right? Yeah, you better. Believe in my s***. You think if you would've seen Charlamagne back then? He wouldn't have saw me. I know how to avoid

people. Do I think it would've been smoke? Or you think it would've came up to him or anything? Like a conversation? 100%. I believe you. I was literally mad at you. I can tell! He'd shoot you and give you a tampon. Man, shut up, man.

There wouldn't have been no guns involved. We probably would have just got to argue. Nah, I probably would have did something to your ass, man. I'm telling you, I used to get the calls. They used to call me, like, Charlamagne, I'm telling you now, he like the Joker. I don't like when people used to get the calls. They used to call me, like, Charlemagne, I'm telling you now,

he like the Joker. I don't like when people trying to make a scene like I'm just, I'm just psyched out and crazy. No, I promise. And it was a woman

that told me that and she ain't say it like that. She said, he's a great guy. He's a nice guy, but he's like the Joker. He'll be so nice and he'll set fire to the town.

Who told you that? Mwaka Mama? No, no, no, no, no, no.

It was somebody else. Yeah. Now, you also said on Dieole? No, no, no, no, no, no. It was somebody else. Yeah. Now, you also said on Die Slow, you're seeking God's soul because you know something's missing. What do you think is missing? I just got a few problems still in my life. They're not even that big. They're just like, they won't leave, though, you know? And I think it's because it's like, you thought you got to know God, but it hasn't been that good.

You know, it's not good enough to the point where he's like, capisce, to your problems. You know? Because it's like, damn, why the hell am I still having these problems? I got everything. My people got everything. Everybody got everything. I still got certain problems.

And I think it's just like, I need to get closer to God, you know? Are there things that you're running from? Like, things you're trying not to deal with internally, no i'm grown black i deal with it i'll talk whatever problem i have i deal with it right then if i'm gonna cry if i'm a about it if i'm doing anything i do it right then as soon as as soon as i as soon as i notice this problem i go ahead and deal with it once i stop crying or like feeling down about it i won't ever feel down about it yeah so i just go ahead and deal with it when the last time you cried maybe like a month and a half ago you remember for what of course that's your business you ain't got a share if you don't want

well why do you want to be on donda so bad i saw you say that you uh you called me said if i don't get on this album it's gonna be a problem it ain't that i want to be on Donda so bad? I saw you say that you uh, you caught him he said if I don't get on this album it's gonna be a problem It ain't that I want to be on it so bad. It's just like bro We got a hundred songs putting them motherf***er songs out there Like you a billionaire like you at the point where it's like you don't need none of this s*** If I was a billion if I was Kanye West or Jay Z if I just say I was Jay Z or Kanye I probably would have more features than anybody in the world. If I'm at the point where I know

me being on your song can make it number one, I'm definitely getting on the song. That's what I respect about Drake. Yeah, you all got that number one song right now. Yep, and he genuinely do it. Way Too Sexy was your concept, though? It feels like a Doug song. Yeah. Came to the studio fresh.

Who knew? You're going to say sick as shit, bro. We just in the studio talking shit and. Came to the studio like fresh. Poodle was like, man, you're going to say this shit, bro. We just in the studio talking shit and just like listening to the beat. The beat come on and Poodle was just like, man, let's do some

sexy shit. So we just like freestyling to each other and then it's just like, um, do some sexy shit. It just came about like that. I see you talk about

the icons a lot. You feel like they don't reach out to you the way you would want to? No. They don't. They genuine, all good You feel like they don't, they don't reach out to you the way you would want to? No, they don't. They genuine, all good people though.

I don't know why. Maybe they want me to just figure it out and just go through it, you know, so you can like learn, actually learn it and like respect it.

Or maybe it's just like, we in the same league. I can't tell you this. Most of the time it'd be, I can't tell you. I don't like that type of shit. Cause I always spill the beans. I'm gonna tell anybody anything that can help them win.

But your lane different, though. Everything that might have worked for them may not work for you. Right. But it ain't even about, like, what to do. It's just more about, like, being reminded or just feeling love. The OGs are, like, hands on. You know? Because that's how y'all not seen for, like, OGs.

They got their hands on. But you got Drake playing everybody part. So Drake like the industry OG for a lot of people? Yeah. I got to put him right there. And that ain't because of the way he say in the songs or none of that. It's because he f***ed with every f***ing body.

Upcoming artists the most. I got to respect it. He just know like I'm the hottest s*** in the world. I can go number one. You can become a superstar by me doing this song, hopping on your song. He actually know that and he do it for those exact reasons. Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy.

We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Young Thug, Yee. Elton John, you're on his album, right? Right. So you and Elton John, now that on his album, right? Right. So, you and Elton John, now that's, to me, that's interesting. How the f*** did that happen? But I'm not a fan. I saw him say you can freestyle better than Eminem.

Yeah, of course. Elton John, like, he a fan. The first thing he ever said when I met him was, when? Wap, get out. But then he said, wap. He said WAP he said GUAP no he did it man I swear to god I'm not a liar wow where did you meet him like you gotta tell us how that connection even happened you sample one of you sample Rocket Man yes I did Rocket Man

so that's the first time we ever got in touch and he got a condo in Atlanta so this is a weird this is a story damn I wonder should I tell you sure please do tell it was a story about him and his first lover now he met his first lover in 1991 in Atlanta that's the year I was born and the lover name was Jeffrey. Wow. Right. And he helped him, like, you know, stop everything he was doing and just, like, become a man. And, like, it was just, like, a father figure to him. But it was his fiancé, his partner. And he was a fan of Gucci Mane. So he heard me on one of Gucci Mane's songs.

So he old school. So he just, like, pulled everything about you up. Oh, f***, he a Leo. Whoa, whoa, whoa, nice to meet you. Where you from, Atlanta? Oh, my God, what? The whole f***ing background is the same as his ex-fiancé. So he just like, what?

Just stopped paying attention. But he a real fan. He really can sing the songs. So he hit you up like, yo, pull up. We need to meet. I'm in Atlanta. Wow. You and Tip, y'all had a relationship before rap to before you was a rapper

Yeah, yeah, he talked a lot of stuff, but he's actually like one of the realest guys in the world 100% that's why I always wonder like, you know, it's hard for y'all right because y'all come from a certain environment But then y'all get to these levels and people don't necessarily may may know the background so then you find yourself maybe having to prove yourself sometime in this this rap game right gotta just stay out of the way because like sometimes just chase you no matter how much you run you know sometimes trouble just chasing you you still think it's changing you yes i've did enough in my life to where it probably will chase me for the rest of my life. Really? Yeah.

How do you make amends for that? Just dealing with it. Like, whatever happens, I made the bed, you know, lay on it. Do you try to course correct things now by doing things? You know, like maybe pay off that karmic debt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing that for at least like the last seven, eight years. You know, some people

just like, you don't know me so you look at me a certain way. Anybody who know me, you know like, oh, he's too good. Nothing probably

wouldn't happen to him. He's like a good guy, you know? You just gotta, just have to be around. How much have Kevin Louse and Leo Cohen done for you

as a man and artist? Oh, not much. They gonna make you a much have Kevin Louse and Leo Cohen done for you as a man and artist? Oh, not much. They going to make you a man. Kevin Louse will, like, he'll baby you sometimes. But, like, Leo Cohen, I'm going to go, fuck. He made me a man. I hated him more than you. Really?

But you used to be with him, though. Everything was just bad. My first deal was bad. Just signed a deal. And then no one ever contacted me. And it's just like, fuck, I'm in the streets. I'm just, like, young. And, like, I'm like, fuck. It ever contact me and it's just like I'm in the streets I'm just like young and like I'm like it's just everything is just like you know and then you around and pop off and then you feel like you owe a label you know I'm saying you like I've been signed to them

for like two or three years but I don't even know nobody mm-hmm I don't know one person here but he a good guy it took me like nine months a year to forgive him yeah your dad so when you say forgive him. He a good guy. He a dad. So when you say forgive him, what is because of a bad contract? Yeah. I just seen from his shoes. It was like a brand new company. All he's doing at that point is just signing artists. Like I'm just building the roster. Giving everybody the same contract. And do you think also because like Charlamagne's heard all these stories about you, people have heard stories about you, you think that maybe they were intimidated too? Charlamagne got the right to be like,

yo, I don't want to be around. I feel like if me and you ain't head on, like, hey, we doing something to each other, we see each other, there's no way. You know? You just framing me at that point. You know what I'm saying?

As opposed to him, of course, we had real shit going on, to the point where we see each had real going on like we see each other might be it might be up you know I'm Sam I'm sorry to bro I apologize I apologize for anything I said that made you want to kidnap me and torture me yeah you said a lot of boys I really don't be honest with you I don't even really be going to after that I to be honest with you, I don't even really be remembering that. I feel like you kept it going, too, after that. I was even looking this morning, like I was looking. Ain't no gangsta here, gangsta.

The gang, Wayne, even if they come to the city, here, gangsta, we don't know. If they don't make it out. I said that? Oh, gosh. I remember when you tweeted, um, Breakfast Club is the devil. I did? Yeah. I think that was after the game interview.

Yeah. That's why. I guess you and the game had a situation back then. Yeah, then it's like you start trying to do interviews with everybody. I was beefing with you. No, man. It's the breakfast club, man. Come on, dog.

You don't interview a game. The game? Back then? I mean, even now. I mean, listen. I would interview a game now. Back when? I don't even remember when that was.

Was it 2015? He had albums and stuff. Man, that's fucking then. But I don't like to be one of them people. If we rock with you, we rock with you. Whether you up, whether you down, like. It definitely ain't about that, because at that point, it was bigger than me.

But it was like, it did nothing for you. Nah, I'm sure it did good on YouTube and stuff like that. Oh my God. But you see, we interviewed plenty of people, man. Right, but. It wasn't nothing, it wasn't like, let's interview Game, because Game, beefing with Dough. That's what I felt.

I was got them 18. No, man. And that was personal. I'm just saying that for you. There were times that we thought you were going to come up here and do an interview because I remember they kept being like, would you interview Doug? And I'm like, well, he want to come to the show. That's why even now I was surprised.

I always wanted to do this show to always. This is one of the biggest shows I know. Yeah, I got it. We always wanted to do this show too. Always. This is one of the biggest shows. Y'all know y'all. F***. Y'all got it. Y'all got it. We always wanted you here. I saw you post one day.

One day you just posted my picture. With laughing emojis. I'm like, man, what's up with that? Yeah. It's a random picture. With laughing emojis. Mother f***. Well, you got Mac Miller and Juice WRLD on the album, too.

You was close to both of them or just Juice? Yeah, yeah. I know you was close to Juice. Both. Like, brothers. Did you ever process, like, the depths of Mac and Juice? I mean, you've seen people go before, but once you're in the industry and you get industry relationships and you see that, did you ever process that? No.

I feel like I'm still running from it. You and Juice had a bunch of music together, right? Damn, man. Yeah. So when you hear it now, does it bring up all those old memories and everything else? Yes. He liked being around me. Spent a lot of time together.

Spent a lot of time. Mack, too. I was with Mack the day before he died. No. He was at my studio. We did the song on my album. It was so crazy, but it's coincidental. He came to the studio, did a song on me.

The next day, he died. And the song that we did at the studio, the name of the song is Day Before. Wow. But the song is just about, like, women. Like, back then, they didn't want me now. You know what I'm saying? But it was, like, flamboyant. Like, yeah, Day Before.

Damn. This is down in this day, bro. Do you go back and think about those last conversations, those last moments? I mean, you didn't know that was going to be

the last moments. Yeah, I think deep on that because it's like, is that a sign? Have you ever just wished like God could just really talk to you? I feel like I talk to him.

But that's why I do meditation. I have conversations all the time. Yeah, when I meditate, I feel like he gives me the answers. He just talks. It's real quiet. It ain't as loud as the noise around you. You'll see it on TV, social media,

people in your ear. When God talks, it's real, real quiet. He's only going to say it once. Or she. I say he or she. That entity is only going to say it one time. You know the right things to do. You're very self-aware, though. And you have good intuition. That's right. I can see that in you.

Good guy. I'm a really good guy Thug. And you have good intuition. That's right. I can see that in you. Right. Good guy. I'm a really good guy. Alright, well, don't move. We got more with Young Thug when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. N.V., Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Young Thug. When it comes to women, are you a good guy? Oh, s***. Here come that tea. She trying to get that tea young thug. Yeah. When it comes to women, are you a good guy? Oh, here come that tea.

She trying to get that tea, though. I feel that blood. What you mean when it come? They do this? What you mean? What you mean when it come to women? I mean,

listen, because listen to your music, like, you have this one song where you like, um, what is it? You said you f***ed it last night

and then, never. I can't get you out of this one that's between you and her what is it like for you are you single now

are you still in a relationship have you ever noticed that you always talk about sex I don't say anything about sex I said single

or in a relationship I know what I'm just saying you know what I'm saying I got a whole podcast about it called Lip Service about relationships and sex

it's crazy that whole s*** is crazy I always notice that called Lip Service about relationships and sex. It's crazy. That whole s*** is crazy. But I always notice that the guys who are real usually treat their women better than most, right? So do you think that as you are reflecting on everything in your life, do you think that when it comes to relationships

that you've been the person that you want to be, the man that you want to be in a relationship? Oh, of course. You know, taking care of the house, making you feel like your father. You know, the thing you got to do with women, you got to make them feel like you're their father. Right, because you want to feel secure. You also want to feel like if something goes wrong, he's going to be there to take care of it. That's the first person you call when something's going down.

Are you trusting of women when you're in relationships? I trust the girl that I'm in a relationship with. Mm-hmm. But other women, no, I don't trust them. No. Are you trusting of women when you're in relationships? I trust the girl that I'm in a relationship with. But other women, no, I don't trust them. No. How hard does it get to get to the point where you trust somebody? Like who you're with now? How hard did it take?

How long did it take? You have your guard up. You have your walls up. You never know what somebody's there for. How long was that process? Oh, it was long. I love it. I love it.

It wasn't long at all. It was seconds. My guard, it was long. I love it. I love it. It was long. It was seconds. My guard came down so fast. That's your intuition. How'd you know? How'd you know? How'd you know she was the one? I didn't know. I just went with the flow.

I want to go back to what you said about being the father because a lot of people hear that and try to misconstrue it, but it's true. Men should be nurturing and we should be loving

and we should be loving and we should be caring and protectors and providers like a father would that's why i have a you know i got four daughters when my daughter come to me and you know some man come to me and ask for one of their hand in marriage i want to make sure that he can do all of those things right for her like you know what i mean right so i understand what you meant by that right what was the purpose of trashing the rolls royce i don't know i just wanted, I wasn't, I wasn't feeling, I wasn't in album mode. And I just was like, you know what? I want to do something really cool.

What did it symbolize for you? It just symbolized punk and rock, rock star and just like, yeah, it's me. Who called it? Man. Hey, I bought this. Same day, man. What? Oh my God.

Man, I left that shit at the club, man. Oh oh my god so you bought it no insurance no nothing yeah yeah but yeah i don't it's it's it's trash at this point did you buy it buy it or did you lease it i bought it i don't lease no more so you spent the whole 300 400 yeah god damn was it worth it yes it was really fun i had hit the key somewhere in l.a though so whoever find the keys can have can have a car it's the key ain't drivable is it they get it fixed you get you did the parts it might be about 100 wow but you definitely can get it definitely can get it because it's only dense windows yeah let's talk about your relationship with j cole and i like when you guys work together because some people in their head might be like what's that gonna sound like but obviously y'all

have a good relationship and been working together what are some things you learned from j cole keep going keep believing you know because it got to a point where you didn't want to hear like certain type of music and his music was that music he just kept believing and never stopped he did he did all he always did the numbers but it was like he couldn't catch the right tour he couldn't sell you know he just kept going i got that from him he a family guy he always he's always with his wife and his kid always every single day every dollar ain't good that's true every dollar ain't good have you turned down some huge situations of course of course millions of dollars maybe what's the last thing you turned down i think it was like three shows somebody wanted to do three shows but i wanted a million dollars for

a show and they wanted to give me like 800 sounds pretty good 800 sound pretty good no because then that's your number yeah yeah yeah i didn't like actually like push it away Mm-hmm. I did just enough to what a comeback. All right What's your relationship like now with our way going? Well been to the studio a few times Well, I know that a few songs together supposed to be working on Which is me you just gotta do a hmm whatever you can have the album, I don't care. Did you ever really dislike him? Or that was just...

I ain't ever disliked him. You felt like he didn't like you, though, because he didn't shake... I know you said he didn't shake your hand when you ran into him. It's a lot of little shit. People felt like you were trolling him. When you did the car, was it car to six? Yep. Some shit corny to me.

Like, trolling a nigga is corny. I don't think I ever was trolling him. Some s*** corny to me. Mm-hmm. Like, trolling a n***a is corny. I don't think I ever was trolling him. I really wanted to be like him, but it just seemed like I was trolling him, you know? Mm-hmm. Did y'all have that conversation, you and him? We definitely had conversations, but... Do you remember that first one y'all had after all of that? After all the stuff that played out in the media?

Yeah. It was easy, too. I know we all liked, because it wasn't even a long conversation. It was easy, too. I know we all liked because it wasn't even a long conversation. It was literally seconds. But I understood. I walked off

not feeling a certain type of way. He walked off not feeling a certain type of way. Who put it together? Burbank? Yes. Wow. And you said it was seconds.

Whatever, bro. I'm sorry. Yeah, I love you, bro. Lock in. And that's all you needed. And y'all been doing songs and shit ever since. Wow. That's all it ever was. Yeah. I think he just probably mad at Bird or some shit.

In that picture with Lil Durk, what was on that computer, man? That ass Durk. Pro Tools. He told me not to ever tell no matter what. No, man. We definitely wasn't looking at Pro Tools. What? Really? Definitely wasn't looking at Pro Tools. What? Really? Definitely wasn't looking at Pro Tools.

So he called you like, don't ever tell nobody what we was looking at. I asked him before, like, hey. He's like, nah, I'm not going to do it. I say less. How much do numbers matter to you? Because I know your last couple of albums were number one. Obviously, you have the song that's number one with Drake. But when it comes to this album, which could be number one,

I know Meek was saying that those numbers, Billboard, none of that matters to him. How much does it matter to you? The same amount. It's just numbers. None of that. At one point, J. Cole's album was going number one, but he couldn't sell a theater. So, do the numbers matter? That's real.

Does Thug have any regrets over the last 11 years of your time in this industry? Not doing every single thing I wrote out. It ain't too late. It ain't ever too late. But that's what I regret. I regret getting into it with people. I regret spending so much motherf***ing money. On what? Just material items like cars? Just everything.

We don't believe you, Thug. You just bought a car last week and beat up on it for no reason. I regret it. You regret that already? Already? A week later, you regret it? That's not even a week. A few days later, you regret it already? I should have seen me in that car that day.

I said, oh my God, you think you are. Hey, Thug, man. I'm happy that you came to the Breakfast Club, and it's good seeing your evolution over the past 10, 11 years, my brother. Truly, man. And I apologize for anything I said that offended you in the past. We was all younger and stupider back then. Because I like seeing young black men get money. And you make another black man rich, man.

That's the beauty of it. That's the beauty of it. Not just getting money. Putting other people in position gotta respect it well so far because the album came out later than we anticipated you know uh post malone still was doing his first what no midnight i didn't know that's why oh man call me at 12 o'clock like i'm almost done i'm like oh my god but you must have just reached out to him to do it then. No, he's just taking his precious time. Is it going to be a deluxe? You know, everybody does a deluxe with some songs that they didn't have on there at first.

You going to do a deluxe also? Deluxe? They burnt that down. I don't be caring about them. You know, honestly. Once I listen to your album, if I like it, I'm going to keep going back to it. But if I listen to it and I ain't really f***ed with it the first time, it's like, I'm going to go back to it. Super remote bulls***.

Exactly. Exactly. Well, congrats. Punks is out. Luthi Young Thug, appreciate you for coming, brother. Punks is out right now. It's The Breakfast Club. Hey, guys.

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And he even wrote a book called A Cheating Man's Heart, a fiction novel. I put fiction novel in air quotes because based on all these new developments, it's safe to say Derek Jackson's book, A Cheating Man's Heart, was probably based on a true story. Now, Derek has built a following, basically calling men out on their behavior, okay? Holding men accountable. I'm not mad at that. He's done it to me. He's done it to Little Duval. He's done it to Gilly the King. He's done it to Isaac Hayes hayes the third this is his thing okay holding men accountable and i'm fine with that i had him on my podcast brilliant idiots a few years ago and on that podcast we promised to hold each other accountable well derrick jackson it's your turn to be held accountable okay let's just get right to it derrick jackson is full of okay i can't curse

and you know that he say oh Yes, he's full of that. Okay. He's a liar. A textbook narcissist and manipulator who gets what he wants at the expense of other people's well-being. This is a guy who will get online and say this about men who have cheated. I have no sympathy for a man who finds it to be difficult to be faithful after being in a promiscuous lifestyle. And neither should you. Nobody told you to be promiscuous before the relationship.

And nobody made you be monogamous with just her. You don't want her? Let another man have her. Simple. And more times, I would say nine times out of ten, when a dude gets caught cheating, that wasn't his very, very first time cheating. That was his only time getting caught. I agree with you

derek okay and guess what derek jackson himself is a cheater oh he just got exposed by a woman named candace uh i can't pronounce her last name but but derek jackson who was a married man bought this woman to atlanta to stay in his house he shares with his wife and kids the woman candace who derek was cheating with actually took pictures of her laying in the bed he shared with his wife in the Atlanta home. Derek Jackson, who spells his last name J-A-X-N. Why? I don't know. That bothers me. Jackson may be a slave name, but when it comes to black people, it's one of the greatest last names you can ever have. Why would you hack that?

I mean, when you're talking Jackson, you're talking Samuel L., Janet, Jesse Boe, Randy Mahalia and of course, Michael. But actually, I'm glad you don't spell your last name Jackson, because you don't deserve to be in that Jackson power ranking. OK, if you were, you would be at the bottom right under Andrew. You know, Andrew Jackson, seventh president of the United States, slave master, ethnic cleanser, tyrant. If you actually spelled your last name Jackson correctly, you would be at the bottom of the list near him because of the level of evil that you display yes my brother see what we're going to do here today is stop the shenanigans okay see my father always told me that when you lie you're not lying to nobody but yourself and i have watched you since this story broke just lie and attempt to continue to manipulate the public i mean that, that's what you do. You manipulate people.

You get online and have these bad faith arguments, which is also textbook narcissism, meaning you don't care about or even try to understand the people that you speak about. You said it yourself. I don't have no sympathy for a man who cheats. Not only do you not care or attempt to understand the people you're talking about,

to have any sympathy or empathy, all right? You are dedicated to deliberately misunderstanding to understand the people you talking about to have any sympathy or empathy all right you are dedicated to deliberately misunderstanding and mischaracterizing others to make yourself look good you like to paint other men as being dishonest and deceptive and morally corrupt why because you're a narcissist and that's what narcissists do project their bs onto other people the reason you love to paint men as dishonest, deceptive and morally corrupt is because that's what you are. See, Derek, I waited to give you donkey because I wanted to see how you would react to all of this. And you reacted by doing what you've been doing all this time.

And that's lying. See, I saw the first video you posted when you first addressed the allegations. You said that you and your wife were separated during that time and that you and candace have had a sexual relationship without actually having sex listen i'm in screw it mode eff it mode i'm hitting up old chicks i really don't care at this point one of those people was a girl named candace now here's the thing so me and candace have had a sexual relationship without actually having sex. Fallacies, nonsense, word salad, lies, denying, changing definitions. This is textbook narcissism, people. Lying about what happened, denial, delusion, trying to confuse us to make us doubt the reality of the situation. See, narcissists are often ill-equipped to have mature discussions or resolve conflicts, but in their mind, they are experts at it.

Okay, he don't even really understand what he's saying, but in his mind, he's being rational, reasonable, and correct. But the reality is, this nigga just lying. That's why what he's saying don't make no sense. Okay, we had a sexual relationship but didn't have sex. That's why it's just an incoherent rant with no logic because it's a lie. Then hours later, hours later, Derek Jackson came back online

with his wife to admit that he did cheat and that he was unfaithful to his wife. Listen to this guy. The truth is is that Derrick Jackson was involved with other women outside the marriage.

And by involved, I want to be clear. I'm not talking about just casually kicking it, maybe a lunch or something like that. I'm talking about that serious ass sex. First name, nigga.

Last name, please. Derrick, if nobody else has told you what you did to your wife was wrong all right she had nothing to do with this she wasn't with you when you was out here cheating with these women so she shouldn't be with you when you're doing damage control this story has nothing to do with her nothing and what's sad is you are more concerned about saving your business than you are about saving your marriage you are more concerned about what we think of you than you are about what your wife thinks of you. King, if you're going to use your wife as a human shield, like Nino Brown used that kid as a human shield in New Jack City, at least get her glammed

up. Okay. You got her up there looking like she forgot it was a second part to the busting challenge. I was waiting for her to drop and come up fresh, but that never happened. And guess what? You don't care. You didn't care about the backlash she could receive you be on social media all the time you know how cruel people are not only does your wife have to heal from your infidelity now she has to heal from the bullying that she is currently receiving online but a narcissist like you don't give a damn because your goal as a narcissist is to dominate and be perceived as right at all costs. Do you know the complex your wife is going to have now? It's impossible to not be impacted by what people say about you online.

Ain't enough God and Jesus in the world. You can put on the whole armor of God and God will protect you. But you still going to feed into what people are saying. And you could have protected your queen from all that because she had nothing to do with it. This is about you and your behavior if she forgives you great but that don't mean drag her out and have her on your arm looking like a damn puppet off cranky acres and you the chief manipulator controlling all her movements but that's what narcissists do they deflect attack project that's why he had his wife there to deflect then he Then he started talking about John Gray because Shade Room asked him a question. You should have just ignored that, but you can't because narcissists love to shift attention from what they are saying and doing.

This brother, Derek Jackson, went so far as to deflect and blame Jesus. Listen. At that point, I had to be for God. I gave my life to Christ and my whole life fell apart my marriage fell apart at this point i'm not seeing my kids and i really honestly just went to a place of effort it's the audacity for me i've never heard a person say i gave my life to god and now my life is left up that's not how that works derrick god told me to tell you stop lying nigga okay god jesus the holy ghost they don't got nothing to do with your ways.

In fact, they told me to remind you that this is nothing but the devil. That's who should be getting the blame here, the devil. And the devil's name is Derek Jackson. You're the liar. You're the manipulator. You're the narcissist. Giving your life to Christ didn't F your life up. You F'd your life up because you living a lie.

And you had the nerve to blame God. You did the same thing to Jesus that you did to your wife. Bought Jesus into it for no reason. But the reason you do this is because you never truly have to take responsibility for their toxic behavior. That's what narcissists do. Narcissists do things like this. The only reason he bought Jesus up is because he never truly wants to take responsibility for his bad behavior. Derek, I decided to give you donkey today after what i heard you say last night because it confirmed for me what i already knew you are a textbook narcissist like you need to be studied see gaslighters narcissists love to speak in the

third person why because it distances them from their actions listen to this dude yesterday sitting in the car listen i hope he understands that all the accountability in the world is not going to rebuild broken trust not on a personal level and even with the public that he's addressing like even his most loyal supporters at this point will probably have a raised eyebrow from this point forward whenever he wants to condemn another man for something like this and rightfully so so hopefully he understands that nonetheless i know some people will see this type of video even though he's come forward and he's been completely honest um some people are just going to close the book on d i'm more so on the side of his wife and just

basically letting this be a new chapter of how i see him because i do believe that his content over the years has helped a tremendous amount of people you know he tells the truth he speaks facts and quite honestly and be real with y'all i've needed several new chapters in my own life when gaslighters narcissists feel that not enough people are praising them they praise themselves speaking in third person is a reassurance to the gaslighter narcissist that he is worthy of adoration derek it's just simply time for you to shut the f up forever take a break i know last year with covid money probably was tight because you weren't getting booked for speaking engagements to show up to lie to people and i know you see your business crumbling before your eyes, but King, just go get help.

You need to do some real soul searching. You need to do some real therapy and you need to fix what's wrong with you. Don't get online today trying to project, deflect and attack anyone else. Prove to us that you are not a narcissist by shutting the hell up. I challenge you to disable all your social media

and go away for some months, vanish. I know as a narcissist, you believe that you can talk your way out of this situation, but no, because see, if you don't stop now i i know where you're gonna go from here what's gonna happen is instead of really taking responsibility for your actions you're gonna continue to deflect and start attacking other people and that's when it's gonna get bad for you because right now it's just candace well man oh man there's so many women that are ready to talk about how you tried to highlight them and if you don't stop while you're ahead it's gonna get worse and i know it may feel like it can't get worse but derrick it absolutely can just go away

for a while i know you got an extremely fragile ego and shaky self-esteem you're gonna be online looking for the handful of people who's still stupid enough to support you you're gonna be reposting them retweeting them to receive more false validation looking for folks to side with you and tell them that you are right and good and blah blah blah well you can prop your wife up you can deflect and attack others blame others act like you're happily married now and continue to use this situation to promote that book of lies you have on your website with you and your wife on the cover but since you the narcissist like to speak in third person let's end this with Derek Jackson giving a piece of advice to Derek Jackson listen

public service announcement marriage doesn't make a man marriage material see through the media and sometimes firsthand experience, marriage has been marketed as what it could and really should be. A long lasting, beautiful union. But it's not a magic trick that wipes away a dude's ain't ways forever. You can go get the prettiest ribbon you could find and put it on a turd. It's still going to be a piece of marriage makes you married. Loyalty is what makes you committed. I agree, Derek. You can put a ribbon on a piece of and it's still a piece of. OK. And if you proved anything to us this week, it's that you, a ribbon on a piece of and it's still a piece of okay and if you proved anything to us this week it's that you sir are a piece of can you change that sure we all

grow but you have to make a commitment to yourself and not this idea of yourself that you have created online please let remy ma give derek jackson the biggest hee hawhaw. Hee-haw, hee-haw. You stupid mother f***er. You dumb. All right. Well said. Well said. All right. Thank you for that donkey today.

Well, don't move. Happy holidays. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Everybody, it's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building.

Montero. Little Nas X. Let's go, Montero. Montero. I'm a big fan of me, man. You gotta be, though. You gotta be. Why wouldn't you be?

I love your outfit, by the way. Outfit of the fly. I'm pretty happy you happy can we show iPhones on here or something yes of course

of course yours is turned upside down so you know it's gonna be 90 degrees in New York today though right yeah 90 is about 92 I know but

it's cold it's cold it's cold yeah when you got a cold coat you can wear it in the summertime but how's your spirit do you feel happy

I feel happy I'm having the best week of my life right now albums out this week albums out thisiday well this is the first time you see he's supposed to be here a couple of times but we finally got him up here so i want to start from the beginning if y'all don't mind little nas x how did you come up with the name little nas x most people thought maybe your name was nazir and it was a short but how did you come up with the name little nas x i was like how can i steal three rappers' names and put it into one name?

Lil Wayne, Nas, and D-Max. No, no, no, no, no. Like, dead serious. I mean, of course you guys know about the account. I hacked that account. And I was like, I wasn't going to do music, like, for real, for real. I was just going to post something because I was bored, and I was supposed to be doing some college work.

And I posted a song to my followers. And I was like, oh, every rapper name got Lil, and, you know, Lil Yachty, Lil Uzi. So what if I was Lil Nas? Ha, ha, end up like keeping it you know and then we add the X on now you were at first you were you were barb yeah were you one of those barbs that really went at people like the barbs do barbs are aggressive yes the barbs are aggressive I'm still barb really I feel like that's something it's like a cult you know once you're in it you can't really get out did you ever attack anybody up here? Like Charlemagne, me, you?

Did you ever attack anybody up here? I think I've attacked you guys a couple times. Full transparency. Full transparency. So what made you switch to the government now? The government? What do you mean by that? Montero.

Your government name. I didn't really switch yet. I mean, I wanted to get my actual name out there. And people still think it's like a fictional world that I just made up. But yeah, you know. Is it true that your mom named you after the car? My mom named me after the car because she wanted the car. Yeah, yeah.

And now she probably don't even want it no more. Now you can afford it. And she don't even want that no more. At least she didn't name you Mitsubishi. I mean, I feel like that would have been cool, too. All my Spanish friends think I'm like Spanish or something. So, I mean, that's fire. So, do you understand when people troll you because you trolled people and had those accounts?

Does it make you more like, okay, I don't take it as seriously because I know I was in that position. Absolutely. I feel like that's why a lot of shit just rolls off my sleeves. Absolutely. I feel like that's why a lot of shit just rolls off my sleeves. You handle it well. When people go at you, you handle it really well, which is surprising because most artists, they can't handle it. You see them break down. You see them get into problems.

I definitely do break down sometimes. I'm not going to lie, but I'm never going to do that shit publicly. That's the trick. What do you do when you break down? You got a therapist? You got something that grounds you?? What'd you do? I tried to get a therapist one time, right? And then like the concept of like, I actually cried to the lady the first session. Nothing wrong with that?

And then she texted me about the payment and it's just like, damn. I was like, this is all like, this is all. And it's like,

so the money? I'm like, how much was it? $150? Mine's $150 now. How much was it? It was like $200 or something.

Damn. She probably overcharged me. I didn't know. You didn't go back after the first time i didn't go back and i feel like i don't really need therapy honestly don't say that i don't i just me personally i feel like everybody out there going get therapy if you feel you need it i don't feel like i need therapy because i feel like i've always been like my own like self healer you know you think always though like when i listen to a song like sun goes down and i know that song is inspirational for a lot of people but you pour your heart into that and you even talk about since you were 10 years old just having these feelings so sometimes i

think we don't even know the effect of what our childhood was like what it's going to have on us later like it comes up but you have to identify that by i mean i've never done therapy but i do feel like i'm really good at expressing myself and having a good support system wait what's the question i was talking about the song sun goes down right and how you express yourself on that and just things you went through as a child do you feel like sometimes those things do come back up though they come back up but i feel like i'm able to recognize them and that makes things easier you know i'm able to say okay i can react to this differently now you know and i also just remember like we all experience the same in different ways like no matter how bad it may seem and it's like just being okay with that

you know it happens it's life we're gonna have a lot of that happened to us over and over it's gonna be a lot of bad parts a lot of happy parts and i'm just i'm here for it all so yeah i'm glad you went to therapy early you know what i'm saying you're 22 yeah i'm 22 yeah you know i didn't go till i was like 36 you know what i mean so you know i'm packing all those years of baggage i love it i go once a week i absolutely go once a week still i'm going for like five years five five, six years. I love it. I love it. I don't understand why people are so mad

about things that you do. People are just really easily angered at things that they already don't like. It's kind of like how people cancel people that they already didn't like. But they're never going to cancel the artists that they love. That's a fact. That's right.

You feel the pressure to outdo everything you've done before? Like, I gotta outdo Old Town Road. But they're never gonna cancel the artists that they love. That's a fact. That's right. You feel the pressure to outdo everything you've done before? Like, I gotta outdo Old Town Road. I gotta outdo the VMAs. Do you always think, like, I have to outdo it? I feel the pressure to always just make sure I'm doing my best on whatever I do. I know I'm gonna outdo s***, like, over and over. And it's just like, not like feeling cocky, but just like knowing that.

You know, that's how I feel like manifestation works in the first place. Like, you got to believe that and feel it. So, yeah. Is there a time you plan to do something and then you change your mind? You're like, nah, that might be too far. Yeah, I mean, I'm pregnant right now. So, I feel like I definitely have those moments. Did you have the baby? Because we don't see pregnant anymore.

I'm sucking in my stomach right now. He got on a waist trainer. He got a waist trainer. What's different between this success you're having now and the success you have with Old Town Road? This success, I feel like I'm much more in control of, you know, and I'm making my calculated moves in the way I feel I need to make them. And I feel like anybody that's pissed off are the exact people

that need to be pissed off. Because nobody could have predicted the success of Old Town Road. There's nobody around you, not even yourself. So what happens when you end up with the biggest record ever? I mean, what happens is you go on the barbershop show, and Charlamagne's like, man, what you going to do? That's right. And he's like, they count you out, man.

And I'm like, okay. And then you just work on yourself, man. And I'm like, okay. And then, you know, you just work on yourself, and you come back out like a flower. You know, you bloom, drop some songs and videos, and, you know, make the world shake a little bit. That's what I see, though. I remember when you did this shop, you didn't seem as free as you do now.

Like, when I look at you now, I can tell, like, this young man is really free. He's really comfortable. You didn't seem that way back then. I guess I wasn't,'s a process you know and i'm still like it's a steady thing you know throughout our whole life i guess i'm just further along now than 2019 did you ever think you was gonna be a one-hit wonder or you ever did that ever cross your mind that never really crossed my mind the only time never crossed my mind is if i had a bad day and i was already like feeling like these like self-deprecating thoughts or whatever did you ever feel like old town road was bigger than you

yeah definitely at one time it was I think so yeah absolutely all right we have more with Lil Nas X when we come back don't move it's the breakfast club good morning morning everybody it's DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlamagne Tha Guy, we are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Lil Nas X. Now, with all these artists you have, you have Megan Thee Stallion on the album, Jack Harlow, Elton John. Doja Cat. Doja Cat, Miley Cyrus. You ever reach out to an artist or you feel hesitant to reach out to artists, like, damn, I don't know if he's gonna say yes or no at all?

Nicki and Drake. You reached out to Nicki and Drake? Yeah. No reply from Nicki, Drake was still working on us. No reply from Nicki, you were a working on this. No reply from Nikki. You are a bomb. He still is. Didn't you slander Nikki at one point, too?

At one point? I've never slandered Nikki. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I don't. There's, like, a lot of things going around, but I don't respond to any of it, so it's like I respond to any of it because I just want to keep being brought back up. Because Nikki a whole grudge. I feel like the only time I would slander Nikki is if I was on the stand and I was like,

I thought Nicki was supposed to be going live or something like that. There's no actual slander. Drake didn't reply at all, though. Drake replied, and he was still working on Certified Lover Boy and whatnot, and he was 100% focused on that. This was a few weeks ago,

and I understood completely, and he said he's down to do something, but just not the right time. He was trying to get his own s*** together. Was there a particular song on this album that you wanted him on? I wanted him on Doll Sign Slime. I was going to ask you about that record.

Because slime is gang slang. And I was like, is Nas in a gang? Nas banging? Next question. Are you banging Montero? So what did Doll dollar sign slime mean? He's like, I'm still dollar sign slime. I'm the same dollar sign slime.

Because I feel like slime has grown this overall meaning. It's become a super popular word. Everybody just call their friends slime. And I know it came from Thug and whatnot. Came from Noriega, the rapper Noriega. Really? OG rapper that hosts Drink Champs now. Definitely started.

I don't like Thug popularize it though. Well, Norie popularized it for his era. Yeah, he did. Yeah, but Thug for this era. Yeah. And Doll Sign Slime, it's basically just like I'm the same Doll Sign Slime. Like that's the hook. But it's like I'm the same, you know, I'm still him.

I'm still that guy. So you banging. Wow. That's the headline. headline montero admits that he's in a gang now dead to me is my favorite record on the album dead right now dead right now i'm sorry sounds very very very very personal what sparked that record um i feel like we were getting really close to finishing the album and then i was still working on music i mean i'm always working on music and it was something about those horns i was like damn this like some drake jay-z ish kind of but i guess a little bit more poppy or whatever and i was like let me try to give like some real insight on here yeah and that's what i did you know people in your life that are that are dead to you basically yeah like people who are dead to me I guess nobody's ever really 100% dead to me, but it's like some people you just want to disconnect from

Yeah, do you feel a pressure of I see it with all the time parents would be like you know you have a responsibility Because kids are watching you hear that Cardi B had that same problem and Nikki had that same problem Do you feel that same way like I don't know kids? I feel like I used to but but now I'm just like, like, f*** your kids. Not like, f*** your kids. That's exactly what you just said. F*** your kids.

You just gave them another headline, Montero. Okay? What agenda is that? The f*** your kids agenda? It's like, we really get one chance to do this, at least to my knowledge. I don't know what happens when we die or not. So it's like I'm not about to pander to your kids or you.

Anybody, even I have to do this with my family members, because my family members may not always agree with what I'm doing. Or whoever I'm dating, they may not agree. But it's like I honestly really truly want to live by, you know, this is our life. We get to do this s***. So f*** what anybody else has to really say about it, I guess, you know? I would say when it comes to the music, just tell people that's the reason there's a parental advisory sticker.

That too. On the music. Did you see the YouTube kids thing? I don't know if you saw that. It was like a lady, she like searched up music for babies. Oh, I saw that. Or something like that, and then like Industry Baby popped up saw that It was like a lady She like searched up Music for babies Oh I saw that And they said Yeah yeah

Like industry baby popped up And she was like surprised Like you looked up baby And music And music Like what do you What do you expect from that And your dad was a

A gospel singer Yeah he still sings too He's actually on there right now In the background Vocals Oh that's dope Yeah So was he

Did he know Like I know you've said That you knew since you were Five years i know you've said that you knew since you were five years old that you were gay and you know how a lot of times your family knows but you just had i feel like it's possible that he could pick up on stuff i mean i was super reserved though with so i guess i hate it a little better the art of realization break down what that is it's kind of like a lot of times i think like what am i am I doing? Is this for me? Like, am I really happy doing this or am I trying to impress everybody? And then, like, basically on that, I'm basically coming to the realization that, yeah, this is for me.

This is what I want to do. I'm sure. I'm sure of it, you know? Are you, though? I am sure. Because I saw you tweet that you love pissing people off. That was a f***ing troll tweet, honestly. You troll a lot, bro.

You troll a lot. That's my thing. So what would you call what you do? Trolling? Marketing? What is it? It's all of it. It's all of it.

It's trolling. It's marketing. It works. What have you realized about yourself in the past couple of years? When you're alone in Montero just by himself, it's just him and his thoughts. What have you realized about yourself I don't know I feel like I figure out a lot of honestly because I spent a lot of time in like solitude and like doing a lot of self-reflecting like I'm so I'm really aware of myself and like a lot of my

hypocritical actions and whatnot would you all have like what we human what actually just like you know how i am in my music videos you know my videos are much more like sexual and whatnot and you know i used to be we used to be happy that people be like oh he's not like those other gay people like oh flamboyant and whatnot and it was like that's not a compliment you know these people have been taught like this is not okay and it's grown into their mind that that's when it's not that deep So you want to be what you're saying you want to be flamboyant in the videos on purpose just to what are you saying? It said it's saying like I want the videos to be entertaining and whether you like it or not like seeing men like do

Different things and what men always do is much more entertaining and I actually enjoy it, you know? I mean, I look at it as you're who you are. So you're living your truth. How can you be mad at an artist for living their truth? That's what he likes. I like it, yeah. Alright, we have more with Lil Nas X when we come back.

Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Lil Nas X. Charlamagne. Didn't the country community give you backlash when Old Town Road for Us came out?

Yeah. And what do they think now? They must feel like, I told y'all he wasn't a real country artist. Actually, a lot of country artists have been showing me a lot of support. And I mean, I don't know what people may think, but I am still going to probably get back to doing some country music or s***. And I mean, because I like different genres and whatnot. I like making a lot of different music.

What is the country? Were you a country listener? Did you listen to country or was it just a vibe? It was genuinely like I saw one of these country trappist kind of songs. I was like, damn, what if I did that but better? And that's what happened. That's how I felt listening to the new album. I'm like, I have no idea what genre music Lil Nas X makes.

I just categorize as pop now, but I do a lot of s***. Now, what advice is Elton John giving you? Because I always hear about Elton John putting his arm around certain individuals and giving them real OG advice what advice is he giving you what advice is Elton giving me you know he pretty much just giving me like the you know keep doing you be yourself and whatnot and he probably told me some other things I can't remember right now cuz Jesus Christ John told you. I've been talking to a lot of people lately. And John. So who do you- Thank you, Elton. Who do you respect?

Like, who do you hear from and it sticks to you, like, when you hear it? It sticks to me. Maybe not. Maybe because we haven't talked in person. Well, we've talked in person, but not about that. But, like, I literally sometimes will look up, like, Kanye motivation videos and whatnot. Because Kanye is outspoken as f**k. And even though that may not always come out, you know, great or whatnot,

I love that. And I wish everybody was like that. You know, I want to be more like that. You know the thing about Kanye that's so interesting? For whatever reason, Kanye is allowed to make mistakes. Like, the culture treats Kanye the way we should treat everyone. He's allowed to make mistakes for some reason. And he set that up for himself, you know, because he's always, he's never going back on it, you know.

He's like, I said that, it's done. Let's move on. And people are like, damn. And people move on. Did you hear the new Kanye song? Yeah. Now, tell us Dominica. Tell us Dominica.

Dominico. What's that about? And he's from there and didn't even pronounce it right. Yes. Yeah, isn's that about? And he's from there and didn't even pronounce it right. Yes. Is that crazy? My father is half from Dominica, half here. But the problem is my dad doesn't really know his dad, so he don't know that side.

Tell the Dominica is like from the point of view of when I first started making music. I'm writing kind of like I woke up on the floor of the plastic bed. I was on a mattress at my brother's house and you know there was like a lot of like domestic violence like they were always like fighting with their girls and whatnot and You know randomly like can shooting up into the sky. I'm just like damn. This is a lot of chaos. That was not Yeah, and it was like You know Talking about how I didn't want to go back

To home you know Because I know my step mom Was just going to like Kind of s*** on me And it's because she Wanted the best for me I guess And it's kind of This name tells of Dominica

Because I feel like Dominica is like That beautiful place you know And he doesn't know He doesn't know He's never been there He's not talking about Dominican Republic

He's talking about Dominica right I know Yeah is that what you're saying That's where your daddy's from People automatically think It's Dominican Republic You don't even about Dominica, right? I know. Yeah, is that what you're saying? That's where your daddy's from. I've been saying it the wrong the entire time. People automatically think it's Dominican Republic. You don't even know

how to pronounce it. I don't. I actually have to tell and be weird. Have you been there? I haven't. It's just like, I've seen pictures.

So it's kind of like tales of this beautiful place, but it's like the worst part of my life at that point, you know? Yeah. Well, you killed it at the Met Gala.

I want to say that. Thank you. You had my favorite looks for the night cuz I think like taking risks in fashion is so important and I think I love the way that as far as your packaging like your persona your music and the way that you perform but also the way you dress is so important for you too are you gonna do something like maybe in fashion absolutely I feel like once I'm 100% can focus on it and like only that

because I feel like a lot of times people like hop straight into something and they don't really even give a f*** about it and I don't want that to happen. The same like with movies

and s***. I want to be in movies and s*** one day but I want to be like dedicated to that. I'm so mad you passed up Euphoria. That would have been

I love that show. Why did you pass up Euphoria? I love Euphoria, man. I had to finish my album, you know, and i had to start getting ready to drop singles and you know i mean i wouldn't have this year with without that right those are hard decisions to make last song on the album is am i dreaming do you do you feel like you're dreaming right now am i dreaming am i dreaming uh yes look at those butterflies. You guys missed it. But that's like the theme. That's the theme of the album. Um, um, do I feel like I'm dreaming?

All the time. Yeah. You got ADD, don't you? Do I? I think I may have it. You definitely wasn't the kid that did not keep still in class. Definitely possible. Now he has to leave, guys.

All right. When's the baby due? The baby is due Friday. You guys have to watch the birth video. You did a birth video? Yeah. You know who did that first? Who?

Cosby Show. You ever seen that episode? I've seen the pictures of it when people were having a discourse. All the guys were pregnant and they all gave birth to things that they loved. So some gave birth to sandwiches, some gave birth to cars,

some gave birth to ships. So your idea isn't that original. I feel like I did it better. I mean, I love the Cosby Show, though. Wait, can we say that? Yes! It's art! Cosby Show made millions go to one of the...

He's rubbing his knees like... He's rubbing his knees like, did I just get canceled? Do you lose respect for artists when they go at you? When they take it out of music and say the things that you do, do you lose respect for those artists? Which artists?

Whether it's T.I. or Boosie. I still bump T.I. I mean, I was listening to Boosie in the club. I don't really care. Honestly, I feel like I wish they didn't say it, I guess. But I like the music. I'm going to listen to the music. You know, if somebody's got beef with me,

it don't mean I have beef with them. Does it ever occur to you how you're really breaking all these barriers for people like there's a lot of different things even just being in country music or being in hip-hop and being who you are and unapologetic about about it does it do you ever think like damn i'm doing things that have never been done before not really because i feel like everything has been done before in some kind of way and it's just always different ways to do it, I guess. Well, I think it's dope that people see it that way. Yeah. Keep doing your thing, man.

I like the way you don't give a ****, and I like that you're truly being yourself. I like the fact you're clearly free. I appreciate it. That's right. Lil Nas X, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Let's get into industry, baby.

Thank you for joining us. And the positive note is simply this. During your transformation, you might feel like everything is falling apart. But in reality, everything is coming together for your highest good. You're being pushed to evolve and get out of your comfort zone so you can live and experience your true greatness. Welcome the change. Breakfast Club, bitches! Y'all finished or y'all done? Had enough of this country?

Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory.

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