The Breakfast Club - From HBCU Classrooms to the Marvel Universe

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

This episode is a major full-circle moment. Loren LoRosa hosts an exclusive virtual HBCU roundtable with Wonder Man star Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, and the conversation is equal parts inspiring, insightful, and real. Broadcast journalism students from HBCUs across the country step into the spotlight to ask Yahya about joining the Marvel universe, bringing Simon Williams to life, and the emotional reality of chasing a dream in Hollywood. From insecurity and ambition to representation and staying true to yourself, Yahya opens up about the passion, doubt, and perseverance behind the superhero shine. Loren also reflects on why this moment hits deeper for HBCU creatives and how Wonder Man is more than just another Marvel series — it’s a story about belief, purpose, and not giving up when the world hasn’t caught on to your greatness yet.  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. This is Ryder Strong and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to everybody. They have had this case for 30 years. I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

Listen to the red weather on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When segregation was a law, one mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules. Segregation and the day integration at night. It was like stepping on another world. Was he a businessman? A criminal. A hero. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush you. Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach.

Listen to Charlie's Place on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a homeguard that knows a little bit about everything and everybody. You know if you don't lie about that, right? Lauren came in hot. Hey, y'all, what's up? It's Lauren LaRosa, and this is the latest with Lauren LaRosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room, baby. So today, I'm going to take you guys right into a conversation that is shaking the room right now because currently trending everywhere. I'm seeing it across Google trends in the U.S. X.

The conversations are happening because Marvel's new TV show about actors trying to make it in Hollywood. And, you know, just all of the things that happen and don't happen, lack thereof, especially when you're not. you're a black actor in Hollywood. Wonder Man, it's trending. So Wonder Man stars Yaya Abdul Mateen the second, and it's hitting the comic book world by joining Marvel, and he's joining Marvel after his

Aquaman and Watchmen roles to play Simon Williams, who is another return. Just hilarious. Come on that. We are recording the podcast. Oh, my God. Say hi. Hey, y'all. I'm on my way to go get a fucking Vajajio, because these encroes is killing a bitch. Oh, my God. So what is Wonder Man?

So Wonder Man is this like series and it's set in the Marvel universe and basically Yahya Abdul Mateen who plays Simon is trying to get on in the acting world. But because he has these superpowers, he's trying to suppress them because the last time Hollywood let actors in, I mean like superpower actors into the universe or to the world, they had a little issue. That was the X-Men when they did that. So they, so what I'm learning, because I'm. new to the Marvel universe is that all these shows

and characters connect. So Wonder Man is of Marvel. Yes, yes, yes. See, they'd be making people to fuck up. Oh my God, can I cut some weird? Bitch, they'd be making people to fuck up. It ain't no fucking Wonder Man. What's that? Okay, no, so Wonder Man is a part of

the Marvel series already. And then Sir Ben Kingsley, who's also in this Wonder Man series, he reprises his role as Marvel Universe's Trevor Slattery. And that I had to do all this research for this and I'm like this goes so deep. This is like real housewise

but when they all come together for like the reunions and like the travel shows. Yeah. And they like, okay. Okay. So do you have to do a read for this? No, I did an interview. I talked to Yaya Abdul Mateen. Oh, so you talk to Wonder Man. Okay.

And some HBCU students from Norfolk State University, Hampton University. Yeah, they were making sure. What is his superpower? He. He fucking. So we think so I'm out of here. No, just hilarious is crazy.

No. Y'all have to watch a series, but let's get into the conversation so you guys can hear straight from Yaya Abdul Mateen. This was so cool because the students got a chance to ask questions and these are students with like journalism backgrounds and radio backgrounds and all that stuff. Let's get into it right now. What's up, everybody and welcome. This is a very special Wonder Man virtual HBCU Roundtable Conversation.

I am Lauren La Rosa, the latest with Lauren LaRosa via Black Effect Podcast Network and the Breakfast Club, and I'm really excited to be here. I graduated from an HBCU myself, Delaware State University, and I was telling some of the students, I've never experienced anything like this when I was a student, so I'm so happy for them to be here and to be having this conversation. I'm joined by five incredible students joining from HBCUs all over the country, and I love what I'm seeing already. Everyone is so proud. They're up in their schools. If you went to HBCU, you understand the pride.

You see the merch. So everything is on full display today, and this conversation is going to be super interactive. We also want to send a big thank you to watch the yard for all of their continued support and partnership as they uplift HBCU voices and culture. And, of course, we are honored to be joined by today's special guest, actor, producer, and star of Marvel Studios, new series, Wonder Man.

Hey. Premiering January 27th on Disney Plus, Yaya Abdul Mateen II. Welcome. Thank you very much. What's going on? How are you doing? Yeah, though, thank you for joining us today.

You know, we really are excited to have you here. How are you feeling today? Oh, I'm chilling. I'm doing even better right now. I'm glad to be with you all. Yeah, right. Isn't this so cool of an experience for this? I'm more excited for the students than anything.

Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, I'm excited for myself, you know? I'm excited for y'all too, but I'm excited for you. I'm excited for myself, too, you know, being with you all. Yes, well, okay, so we all got a chance to take a look at, you know, at the iconic work that you did on screen. So you definitely should be excited for yourself. You're stepping into a whole new universe and we're excited today to talk about the creativity, the purpose, and the journey that goes into this. So to kick off this HBCU roundtable discussion that we have happened and we're going to bring up Trinity Pender from Dillard,

University. Hi, y'all, y'all. What's going on, Trinity? I'm excited to be here. My name is Trinity Pender. I'm a graduating senior at the Illustrious Diller University. My major is Mass Communication, and I have a concentration in multimedia journalism. And my question for you today is, after living inside this character for months, what do you think the biggest difference is between the Simon Williams on the page and the one that I'm?

and the one the audiences will meet. Hmm. Oh, man, you're taking me back a couple years, a couple years now with the question about being on the page. I mean, hopefully, you know, to me, the Simon Williams that you'll see, the Simon Williams that you'll see is the Simon Williams that I saw on the page. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the interpretation of what it was that I saw on the page, uh, which is a guy with a big,

big heart, a guy who really cares about acting, a guy who can be selfish and a bit manipulative in order to get what he wants, a dude who's insecure, who's very, very passionate. Sometimes he's a bit of a nervous wreck, but I think his intentions are good and he cares a lot. And also someone who's willing to learn, too. I hope that they see all of those things. But I think if you do see those, then you'll only see those because that's what I saw on the page. So hopefully it's it's actually the same.

Thank you so much for that. Thank you for that question, Trinity. You heard the the illustrious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Represent. Represent. Represent. Exactly. Okay, so up next, we have Kendall Parks from

Prairie View A&M University. Hi, Yaya. Hey, Kendall. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inalick Lamumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr.

had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Al-Mermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. to be in what we really thought was a revolution.

I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. segregation and the day integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping on another world. Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the KKK? Yeah, they were dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power.

They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and visit Myrtle Beach, comes Charlie's Place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is Ryder Strong. and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right in where I could not say your name.

I've decided to go back to my hometown. in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of a bitch to come around her in my wife. Boom, boom, this is the Red Weather. Listen to the Red Weather on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I actually drop better when I'm high. It heightens my senses, calms me down. If anything, I'm more careful. Honestly, it just helps me focus. That's probably what the driver who killed a four-year-old told himself. And now he's in prison. You see, no matter what you tell yourself,

if you feel different, you drive different. So if you're high, just don't drive. brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. I am coming from the Prairie View, Texas, the illustrious Prairie University. Come on, Lord. And I'm the PR and marketing coordinator for our student-run television production.

I wouldn't say club, because we're more than that, but definitely heading into marketing. And I'm so glad to have been able to have this conversation with you because my question is, what would you say was your most memorable moment being on set? Oh, man, I had so many, I had so many fun moments on set, so many memorable moments. You know, Sir Ben Kingsley just left.

And he plays a character, he plays it, he, as Trevor Sletterbury, he plays a character called The Mandarin. And he's, I think that was from the first Iron Man movie. And, um, there was a day. working this day, or I had already finished my work, but I got to watch him put on that character. So I sort of got to be a fan. You know, as a Marvel fan, I got to be a fan of Sir Ben as the Mandarin,

and I sort of snuck in the back and watched him work. And that was cool, because most days, you know, when I went to work, it was about me working and a camera on me. That was a cool moment because I got to step aside and just have a moment for myself and be a fan of what it was that we were that we were creating and to work with sir ben you know that was a that was a really good moment watching him watching him recreate that well thank you for that thank you i appreciate you thank you kendall i have a question uh yeah yeah so you know when i think about like sci-fi and animation just television

and entertainment in general. I think about the way, it's kind of like a form of escapism. Like we could watch it in our households to get away from so many different things or just to see things that we might not have gotten to experience or whatever the case may be, right? And when I'm watching you on screen,

a lot of the story that I'm watching you tell is about this character that you're dreaming to be forever, right? Because it takes you into this place that just makes you feel whole. What part of your real life did you pull from to execute that so well on character? Well, I think the,

the part of myself that still has a dream, you know, the part of myself that is still on a journey, you know, when I film this, I had been out of school for, I think, out of, I had been out of college for eight years, nine years or something like that. And so, you know, I remember being in graduate school, feeling like I had something to offer,

knowing that I had something. an offer, but also knowing that nobody knew that I was here. I felt like I'm in this, this tiny room in this big, big world, knowing that what I have to offer can feel the globe. You know what I mean? And that's where we meet Simon. You know, Simon has this dream. He knows that he has something special inside of him that he has to offer.

And he feels like nobody knows. And, you know, in the first episode, I think he said, I just need you to, I just need you to believe. believe in me. You know, and that's sometimes that's what it's like as a, as a creative, you know, as a student, as somebody with ambition, you know, no one does it on their own, you know, and we all need someone to just take a, take a chance. And so I know what it's like, I know what it's like at some point to be in Simon Williams, Simon Williams' shoes. And I think that that'll be something that's relatable to, uh, to a lot of artists that are, you know, going to tune in to watch this show.

definitely relatable to get out of your own head thing. I was like, whew, why are you all up in our business today? Yeah, yeah, it was so on point. Yeah. And the over, yeah, the overthinking, the over-analyzing the anxiety. But then the ability to persevere through that, you know, sometimes even in the acting scenes, I've got the internal motor that's, you know, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. But to know that I've done the work so nobody can see what's actually going on.

You know, nobody can actually take it. So, yeah, there are definitely times where sort of the fiction blends over into reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We appreciate that. All right, so now we're going to go back to another student question. Let's continue with Malik Davis from Norfolk State University. You got to say that right, Yaya. They'll get you if you don't say it right.

Yeah, I know. Norfolk State University. Yes, most definitely. Hey, y'all, what's going on? David's, also known as Leak Staff, in the bill. building with Pot 91, the solar VA, local state university's radio. So my question is the series highlights what it means to be an actor

in the early stages of their career. Can you talk about your character's journey and how it parallels to your own start in the industry? It doesn't really. You know, I had a, you know, my character didn't go to school. You know, my character has been, you know, just sort of plugging away, doing smaller, jobs coming in and doing a little bit of background work here, you know, coming in and having,

you know, two lines, two lines here, one line there, maybe a guest spot on television. My personal journey was, I was, it was different, you know, I, I, I, I had an opportunity, you know, to play a larger role in my very first job. And I sort of hit the ground, hit the ground running. Still had those moments of doubt in the nerves and things like that. But, you know, my story is not Simon Williams' story. My story is my story. Simon Williams story is Simon Williams story.

But we did both start off with a big dream and a small trailer. you know what I'm saying and when Simon Williams got his big trailer he's still in there doing the work and when I got my big trailer I'm still in there doing the work I think that the commonality is the passion, the real true passion

for the craft although our paths are markedly different thank you so much and you know behold the green and gold thank y'all hey Thanks, Malik.

All right, now we're going to hop on over to Sydney Frank. She's here from Hampton University. Hi, y'all. Hey. Hey. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inaleek Lamoma.

It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Have both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almemada, Moore House College, the students had their own protest. It featured two. prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior, and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune.

It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of a bitch to come around here in my wife. Boom, boom, this is. the red weather. Listen to the red weather on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Segregation and today, integration at night.

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping on another world. Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not every woman. was happy about it. You saw the KKK? Yeah, they were dressed up in their uniform.

The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and Visit Myrtle Beach, comes Charlie's place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I actually drop better when I'm high.

It heightens my senses, calms me down. If anything, I'm more careful. Honestly, it just helps me focus. That's probably what the driver who killed a four-year-old told himself. And now he's in prison. You see, no matter what you tell yourself, if you feel different, you drive different. So if you're high, just don't drive. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council.

I am Citi Frank. I am a second year journalism major with a minor in film from Los Angeles, California. On campus, I'm an active member of the National Council of New Girl Women and an active member of our student film organization. And today, I'm asking you, how have your past roles in superhero movies contributed to your portrayal of Simon Williams and Wonderman? You know, that's a great question. I think it'll probably take me a little while to really answer that,

to really understand that question in its totality. But, like, I was really fortunate to be able to put all of the superhero things aside and just play a dude, you know. And Watchman or Aquaman, you know, I was very much involved with the supernatural elements of those. characters and inside of those worlds. With this one, you know, I just got a chance to be a dude with a dream, you know,

and he had powers, but they sort of look like anger management, you know what I'm saying? It sort of looks like anxiety, you know, the things that he's dealing with. He sees his powers not necessarily as an asset, but more so as a liability.

And so I really got to play a guy with anger issues, with anxiety, a guy with a big heart, a guy with a dream, and to let the Marvel people do all of the superhero stuff around me. So, you know, that's really the setting for the story that we're telling. And my job was just to go out and to just portray an actor in pursuit of a dream. And so it's really the best of both worlds, I do get the superhero stuff because Simon gets some of that.

And then at the other end, I get the heart and the soul, you know, of a story about a guy with a dream. So I sort of got the best of both worlds. Thank you so much. Okay. Now, last but not least, our final student, we have watched the yard's lucky giveaway winner. Her name is Kaylin John Louis, and she is from Florida A&M University. What's your question for Yaya? Thank you so much.

Hello, Yaya. As you said, my name is Kaylin John Louis. I am a graduating senior journalism student at Florida A&M University. Congratulations. She's firing K on WANMFM-FM-90.5, the Flava Station, and a member of Zeta Vibati Sorority, Incorporated. I loved watching your performance in Wonder Man. It reminded me about the bigger impact of storytelling. And with us both being in Greek letter organizations, we understand what it means to represent something bigger than ourselves.

So my question is, how does that understanding influence the kind of stories you're drawn to tell? It's a good question. It's a great question. Hmm. You know, I'm going to be honest, I don't think much about representation. Right? It's not to say that I don't. don't value it because I absolutely do, but this is sort of the way that I approach it, right? I know who I am. I know where I'm from. I'm a black man. I'm American. I'm from New Orleans. I grew up in West Oakland. And my path is my path. I believe that if I make work that for an audience of one first, right, and that audience is me, I really believe that I

that if I make work for myself, then the people who I want to respond to it will respond to it. What that allows me to do is to always be considering, first, my truth, my personal appetite, and to not be swayed by other people's opinions, to not let my art and my creativity be swayed by other people's opinions or the desires of what other people want to see me do. Now, I do hope at the end of the day that when I make, when I do my work, that the people who I've met along the way that they respond to my work, because if I'm making it for myself, then I'm making it for the extensions of myself. But that's really the extent of how I think about representation. At the same time, I do, you know, even in my

production company, I do think that it's important to open doors and to make sure that, you know, people who come from where I come from have the same type of education and opportunities to do what it is that I'm able to do so that they can go and tell stories and represent in the ways that they want to represent as well. So I sort of realize that I represent something. I represent something that is bigger than myself. But I do that by first representing myself and then I let what I represent speak for, I let what it is that I represent, hopefully be seen in the work, you know, in the work that I do,

and for the opportunities that I then create. So I hope that, I hope that answers that question. You did. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, you're Greek? I'm an alpha. Oh, okay. Okay.

She said both of us. I'm like, I didn't know he was Greek. So this is the close of the conversation. It's been an incredible conversation. Thank you to our students for all of the thoughtful questions. Representing your school so well today. You guys, it's such a great job. A huge thank you to Wash the Yard for their partnership and their support.

And, of course, Yaya, thank you so much for joining us, joining us, sharing your time, all your insight and your energy. I don't know if you have any advice, encouragement you like to say for anybody that's watching, but if so, now's the time. Oh, yeah, look, keep on going. Like, the world is wide open right now. So, you know, make your stuff for yourself. And it's a long, it's a long road.

But find friends. That's what I would say. Find friends who believe in you. But you got to believe in yourself first. So, you know, keep going. And if I'm still around, then I see y'all when y'all get here. We appreciate it. So, guys, make sure you go and check out Marvel Studios, Wonderman.

you'll see Yaya and, you know, all the other amazing cast in the storyline. It premieres January 27, streaming exclusively on Disney Plus. Thank you guys so much, all of you for joining us. All right, y'all. Take care. All right, guys, so that has been another exclusive conversation here at the latest with Lauren the Rosa, the podcast. The people have been telling me we need to do more of these conversations.

I know this week alone, if you missed it, go back and check it out. We had Tachar Jones of America's Next Top Model talking about that new next-time model docu-series that is coming. We heard Derek Johnson, the president of the NAACP, talking about Kanye West and his apology. And now here we are. We're going to talk to Wonder Man. Thank you guys for tuning in.

I tell you every single episode, my lowriders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody talking about all of the things, and y'all choose to be right here with me. And I appreciate that. I'll see you guys in my next episode. Black history lives in our stories, our culture, and the conversations we still have.

having today. This Black History Month, the podcast, I Didn't Know. Maybe you didn't either. Digs into the moments, perspectives, and experiences that don't always make the textbook. Let me tell you about Garrett Morgan. Brough had to pretend he didn't even exist just to sell

his own invention. Listen to I Didn't Know. Maybe you didn't either. From the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or simply wherever you get your podcast. When segregation was a law, One mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules.

Segregation and the day integration at night. It was like stepping on another world. Was he a businessman? A criminal. A hero. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach.

Listen to Charlie's Place on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This show contains information subject to... and not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. It's time to rebuild. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. This is Rider Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

So no, I am not your guru. Back then, I lied to everybody. They have had this case for 30 years. I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth. Listen to the red weather on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.