The Breakfast Club - Front Page Special Edition: Jasmine Crockett on Nolan Wells, Karmelo Anthony, Her Future & James Talarico

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

In this special edition of Front Page, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett joins Mimi Brown for a one-on-one conversation about politics, justice and her future. She weighs in on the unanswered questions surrounding Nolan Wells’ death, Karmelo Anthony’s fight for a new trial, the future of the Democratic Party — and responds to James Talarico’s Breakfast Club interview. From the Black Effect Podcast Network.YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today I'm sitting down with one of the most recognizable and outspoken voices in American politics. She's an attorney turned congresswoman who has never been afraid to say exactly what she thinks. From congressional hearings to viral moments, Jasmine Crockett has built a following that reaches beyond Washington. But today, I want to get beyond the headlines. and kind of beyond the politics and get to know Jasmine Crockett.

Right. So welcome, Congresswoman. Thank you for joining me today. How are you? Good. Tired, but good. Tired but good. Yeah.

Well, at least you are in Los Angeles. Yes. It is a beautiful day. It's like, I don't know, like a hundred or something. It may not be that high, but yes, it is, it is toasty. Yes. It is very, very toasty out here. Okay.

So before we get started, I wanted to play a little. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to say a name. a topic, and your first reaction. Okay. No thinking. I feel like this is going to get me in trouble, but go ahead.

Just immediate first reaction. That's all. Okay, ready? All right, here we go. First thing that comes to mind. Donald Trump. Asshole. The Supreme Court.

Full of shit. Texas. I would say home. Okay, okay. But I would say potential. Okay, okay. I like that. The psychosporia outbreak.

Shitty. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. The Democratic Party. Week. The Republican Party. Ruthless. James Tellerico. Interesting. Kim Paxston. Clown. The rise of a stay-at-home boyfriend.

Rise of a stay-at-home boyfriend. It is a new trend that apparently is taking over the world. Not of my generation. Okay. I like that. Okay. The last thing that made you cry. Oh, I was just watching some on Netflix. Last night. Somebody told me to watch. And I was like, Yeah, it really did it. I don't remember what it was, but it's a short series.

And, oh, my girl, the lioness was actually starring in it. I can't think of her name right now. Zoe. Zoe. Zoe was starting in it. Yeah, and she was married and her husband had cancer. It was, yeah, it was. Oh, I know you're talking about.

I've seen that. It's a couple years. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Dr. Anthony Fauci. Hero. Reflecting pool cases, drugs. dropped.

I'm incompetent. That's a good word. Your biggest hater. Oh, biggest. Just a long list. My biggest maybe MAGA itself. Okay. And lastly, finish this sentence.

The Democratic Party needs to find its backbone. Why you say that? Right now, I mean, you can just talk to any regular, regular person walking down the street. And they feel as if there's not enough fight within the party. and I would agree. Yeah. You know, Republicans, they don't care if they got to break the law to get it done. They're going to get it done.

Yeah. And I'm not advocating for people to break the law, obviously. But it shows you the lengths that they will go to. They also decided that they would elect a 34-count convicted felon because they stand by their man and the Democrats, because they may have disagreed on one or two or however many issues could not stand by their woman who would have made lives better, not only for MAGA.

Yeah. who is complaining about gas prices, who may be concerned because their loved ones too may end up in this unconstitutional war. Or because you got doged and you ain't got no job. There's a lot of things that you may have looked and discussed every day knowing that a woman was the one who was the quote unquote man for the job. But you would have been in a better situation.

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody. America would have been in a better. The world. Yeah. Because the world is suffering. Yeah.

Because of the inaction of some and just the ignorant, hateful actions of others. Yeah. We're going to come back to that. But I wanted to ask you about you, though. Because we see you every day. We see you fighting every day. But who is Jasmine Crockett when no one's watching? I'm the girl that loves to find a good show on Netflix.

Uh-huh. and to Netflix and Cheel or spend time with my girls. I really value spending time with people that knew me before the rest of the world knew my name. The people that believed in me and thought that I was worthy of their friendship before any viral moment. So I like to really spend time with like people that I really know and really know me. The people that I can let my hair down with, the people that there will be no. judgment with the people that will hold all of my secrets. I enjoy spending time with them and I enjoy traveling the world.

I enjoy learning about other cultures, many new people. So if I'm not at the spa or at the crib with the homies, then I want to be catching flights. I had a situation one time and as a politician, you definitely have to kind of keep your head on the swivel. And for the most part, I have been so blessed to have staffers that just believe in the work and have never, you know, tried to get there two minutes in the limelight and do some crazy stuff or whatever because reporters are waiting for some nonsense like that. So my circle is quite tight. During the Senate primary, there was stuff that was happening. I was like, that ain't even true. Like, that's a lot.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, because people were so busy trying to penetrate that inner circle. And so, you know, there were claims that were out there. And of course, we had to expand our team. And there were people who, you know, would say things and do things. So I'm always just like, all right, are you here because you actually have drank the Kool-A? You believe in the service. You believe in the work they were doing.

Or do you have some other motivation? And it's sad to, like, have to live that way. And it's just a lot easier and safer when I'm with the people that I know love me with a title without a title. With cameras, without cameras, the people that believed that I should be in service because they donate all their money. They knock on the doors. They try to convince others. I really find refuge in just kind of like my village. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I definitely understand that. You know, one thing about you. that I love is that, you know, you are bigger than politics. I've met people who say, I don't do politics, but they know you, right? They, and it doesn't matter if they're black, white, young, old, they know you. Why do you think that is?

I think because nothing about me reads politician, right? And I'm good with that because I hate politics, too. I think we all on the same page. I do it out of necessity. And I do it because I do it in a way that is not about looking towards the next election and worried about whether or not I can win, but instead trying to make sure that I can do what we're supposed to do, which is to be a public servant.

And you can't serve people that you can't communicate with. And so I've taken the time to understand what it looks like to really just be real. And so many politicians, I'm not trying to say that they're fate, but they have been trained to act a certain way. And the average person doesn't really believe in the authenticity of the intentions of the average politician or otherwise. So I think for me, because I've been very intentional about it's not just about, you know, the political elites. It's about everyone who's being impacted by these policies, understanding what's going on. And when I go into committee, I break things down in a way that it doesn't matter who you are, where you come from, how much education you do or don't have.

You understand what I'm talking about. Yeah. And to get into some of the hot topics, I feel like right now people are so frustrated, right? They are working hard, but they're falling behind. They can't pay for gas, food, groceries, nothing. Is that because of Donald Trump's policies? you know, well, he says his policies are working, but clearly they're not. Because when you listen to him, you hear, oh, you know, the stock market is great.

And this is the best America has ever been in 250 years. But we can feel that we can't pay for anything right now. Hootow. Okay. So I am not going to give Donald Trump as much credit as everyone else probably does. Okay. yes, he is the catalyst for all of the harm that is being inflicted. That's for sure. But we are supposed to live in a democracy.

And the reality is that he cannot do any of this by himself. And if you err in just believing that is just Donald Trump, then we'll continue to suffer. Especially as we're heading into the midterms, is important for people to understand. understand that he's only able to do the things that he's doing because the other levers of government have failed because the people in his party have decided to pledge loyalty to him instead of to the Constitution or to their constituents that they are supposed to be serving. And so, you know, my deal is if you like how things are going, vote for a Republican. If you don't like how things are going, vote for a Democrat.

Like, that's just the bottom line. Yeah. The Republicans control the House, the Senate, as well as the governor, well, governors mentioned in Texas, for sure. But it's the same thing on the federal level. It's the House, the Senate, and the White House. And it is baffling to me that Republicans are running on everything that is going wrong in the country, yet not accepting responsibility for what's going wrong, considering the fact, I mean, it's literally like the arsonist is setting us on fire. And then saying, but I am also the firefighter this coming to. to like make sure that I can save you.

Like, no, honey, which one are you? Which side are you on? And it is hard for you to hide behind the opposition when literally there is no opposition because you run everything. And so it's not just Donald Trump. And so as some, you know, Republicans such as Susan Collins in Maine may try to separate herself from him, no ma'am, no ma'am. Like anybody that co-signs the agenda, we know right now, he put Ty Blanche up to be the attorney general in this country.

But Ty Blanche can't do it just because he put him up. Yeah. It has to be the Senate that actually confirms him to that post, the man that has absolutely, by all accounts, been responsible for botching the Epstein files and getting in front of those of us that are trying to actually do. some semblance of an investigation. He has been an impediment to that. It wasn't just that Donald Trump put him up. It was that they confirmed him. Right.

Same can be said as it relates to DHS and what is happening with immigration. Right. They nominate ahead. He does. But y'all confirm these fools, right? And as killings are taking place on their watch, he's not saying, well, they got to go. Right? Like, so I don't want it to be as simple as it's Donald Trump.

It is everyone else around him who fails to honor their oath. You know, you brought up Ta Blanche. What is your biggest concern about what comes next now that he is the Attorney General of the United States? Yeah, I mean, my biggest concern is that you gave him a title. That is the title that he submitted for. But when he was going through confirmations, he said, that he is Donald Trump's personal lawyer. And that is a problem for me.

That is not the job. You can go and not be paid like the rest of his personal attorneys, okay? And go and defend and fight him. So I think that we're going to see even more prosecutions that are a waste of resources, a waste of time and simply about vengeance. I think that we will continue to see. divestment of, you know, our civil rights divisions, which were absolutely cut out of the Department of Justice.

I think that we will continue to see firings of career prosecutors that actually know what to do and the placement instead of loyalist and not even party loyalists, but loyalists to Trump and his agenda. And I think that that's just harmful for us in a moment in which we really need serious prosecutors. We need law in order to be upheld in a very real way. You brought up the reflecting pool, right? Like you brought that up. And the fact is that an Olympian was prosecuted.

Well, y'all had all that smoke for the Olympian. I'm going to need y'all to find some smoke for the president. And his cronies. that decided to engage in this just so that they could line their pockets in the first place. I mean, they are stealing from the American people in broad daylight. But if you feel like it was so bad that you needed to incarcerate somebody, then go ahead. Incarcerate who is responsible, as we all know, who is responsible now. But you don't want to do that.

You don't even want to take the contract away from them, right? So, you know, I am just concerned that we still will have, you know, pedophile rings that are running rampant and nothing will happen. I am concerned about the fact that we continue to see these mysterious deaths taking place in places like Mississippi. And historically, whether it's Nolan Wells or Tasia or the long list of names that we could go through, that are being found hung or otherwise under these mysterious circumstances when it is clear to everyone on the outside that y'all are just failing to investigate.

We used to could rely on the Department of Justice to go in. And we don't have that. And we won't have that. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pasto survive the first bite?

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And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible, the first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this?

How about we flip it on his head, right? How about we flip this script? Okay. What is the surprise woman who actually you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott, this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect

I have, I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity.

Exuding. I could smell it walking on the hallway, to be with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, what's a state? Everyone's so dumb. And fake. Right. Fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode

but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of Nolan Wells, you know, there are still so many unanswered questions. I know early on, they said there was no evidence of foul play. Yeah. We're still waiting on the state autopsy to come back. But when you put your lawyer hat on,

in your opinion, where this case stands today, what do you think is happening? Well, first of all, it didn't take this long for an autopsy. I'd tell you that. Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, some autopsies take longer than others depending on how many injuries needs to be evaluating and that kind of stuff. And definitely, depending on how large or small. a town is, they sometimes have to ship bodies off to larger cities, that kind of stuff.

But the fact is that they conducted pretty much everything by the time they sent the body, right? They sent the body for the second autopsy. And that was concluded. Right. And so you only make it worse, like when there's a vacuum where it is very clear that we're missing information in the amount of time that that vacuum kind of sits there open, it allows for the conspiracy theories to continue to proliferate. So the question is,

are you not telling us because you don't want to tell us the truth? Because in my opinion, if you had any information that would exonerate the foul play, just like you came out real fast, real quick and in a hurry, ain't nothing to see here. I think that if you could back that up with the autopsy you would. But y'all ain't said nothing. And I know that autopsy is done. I know that, right? There are things that, you know, again, because of where this is,

I'd imagine you typically get labs that are done. And that typically does have to be shipped off to determine, you know, what's all in someone's blood. Toxicology. Exactly. So, you know, when people are trying to do that, depending on, in some labs, a bit, all the things. I've experienced this because I practiced law not only in Dallas, but

definitely Texarkana, Dallas has the labs for everything. And a lot of times, whether it was Texarkana or other small towns, they would have to send stuff off. And granted, a lot of times their stuff went to the back burner because they had their own things, right? But I know all of this has been done. And usually you won't turn out a report until you have everything back, right? including the toxicology, which is usually not done right there at the lab. You have your doctor that is actually evaluating the body, and then you're sending off the various bodily fluids and that kind of stuff. So, you know, it's done.

Yeah. And if it was anything to say, nope, nobody did anything. I think they would have let it out. Yeah. You know, there are those that want to mischaracterize what the Black Lives Matter movement has been about. but literally you've had to say Black Lives Matter because whether we're talking about the senseless killings and no one seeking answers,

no one seeking any type of accountability, or whether we're talking about just literally not being able to get actual justice as a victim. Yeah. Right? It seems like prosecutions are easy, quick and in a hurry when it is for certain people. Same thing with, you know, there's no way Nolan could have been a white boy out with a bunch of

black boys. And they would have been under the jail before they figured anything out because you are presumed guilty simply because of the skin that God gave you. There's always a presumption that you did something. They don't know what, they wouldn't have any information, but they would have presumed something while the presumption of innocence seems to only cloak whiteness. You know, another case I wanted to ask you about is out of Texas, Carmelo Anthony. Yeah.

You know, he's appealing his conviction, his 35-year sentences, his lawyers. They're fighting for a new trial and challenging the judge, Judge John Roach, Jr. What jumps out to you, again, when you put your lawyer hat about this case? I mean, of course, his legal team is handling this pro-bubes. but when you look at the arguments that they're making, how successful could they be in overturning this 35-year sentence? Yeah, so first of all, Carmelo has one of the best teams like out there. Yeah. And I'm not just saying that. I'm saying that because literally two of his lawyers are mine. So I'm telling you what I know. This isn't me pumping up, you know, lawyers because we know each other.

the lead attorney, Russell Wilson, is my lawyer. Like, if anything happens, I call Russell. Like, that is who I call. And frankly, he has been the lawyer for every black lawyer and judge. So whether it is grievances or whatnot that people file, he's the one that handles those for anybody that is smart in the Dallas area, to be perfectly honest. So I say all that to say that Russell actually served on the, the disciplinary panel for lawyers in Texas. So he's very well versed on all the ethics rules.

And that puts him in a very unique situation as relates to the judge. And so I know that he can go to the judicial canons quicker than anybody else because he knows them because of the position that he had occupied before. Right. In addition to that, Russell is board certified in criminal law, which is different than just going and hiring a criminal lawyer, you have to actually sit for a specialized test to actually be able to say that you specialize. In criminal law, he has done that. He's been board certified for quite some time.

And he also does appellate work. So this is somebody who isn't just looking at post-trial and looking at transcripts. He knows what should have been done because he actually tries cases on the trial level. And that is a very unique position to be in as well because some lawyers are just trial lawyers like me. I'm not an appellate girl. I've always been a trial girlie.

And I would go through my trials. Any smart trial lawyer has an appellate lawyer either sitting in the courtroom with them or on speed dial to make sure that they can make for a strong record. So Russell is the guy for this moment. and he's going to make the strongest arguments as relates to ineffective assistance of counsel as well. And the easiest way to get a new trial and get another look and get another shot is by throwing your lawyer under the bus, which is why Russell was always on call for me, right? Because in criminal law, they're like, listen, I need my get out of jail free card. And so, you know, y'all can look. I ain't got no, I'm clean as a whistle. But part of that is because of Russell. So he understands those things. And so as people were complaining and questioning the

lawyers, Russell is that guy. But also the judge made comments after the trial. Yes. And I think that was one of the biggest sticking points. That is it. That is the thing. And so people need to understand why they're going after the judge because when you are, when you go through a trial, a judge is not supposed to appear partial in any way. And most of our judges, any judge who is worth their salt, they don't talk to the media, okay? When they're in the middle of a trial, they're not talking to the media, they're not doing anything because they don't want to give a get out of jail free card to anybody no matter what, right? So he didn't during the actual trial that was taking place. but post-trial, you have, you normally file a motion for new trial, which extends the appellate timeline, and you file a notice of appeal, okay?

And until an appeal has been what we call perfected in the appellate court, that means the record, everything from the transcription of the proceedings to all of the filings that the clerk has, the orders, the most, the most. motions, everything that has to go up and you have to have your notice of appeal and you got to do a few other things. But the point is, until it does, jurisdiction technically is still right there with the trial judge. Well, the trial judge was making commentary after the trial, but before it has been perfected in actually on the next level. And a motion for new trial, that gets decided by the trial judge. So that's the first one that gets to decide. And so you file it to the trial judge. So you still got stuff to do, bro.

And you're talking. Okay? So I think that that was a smart move on Russell's part. I think if, you know, it's a big if. But if the court does what they're supposed to do, then that judge will be recused because he's already shown his hand. And the thing is, everybody knows. Judges may have their own opinions and already be believing stuff.

but once you show your hand, then it's more problematic. And honestly, it would be more helpful to Carmelo. Yeah. If there was a judge who had not seen some of this stuff or not come up with his own perceptions, that had a chance to look at this. So it'll be interested in to see. You said two lawyers. So, yes.

So another one of my lawyers, he actually does a ton of federal work. which is great because it's a great setup for if and when they have to do any federal stuff. So that's Gary Bledsoe. Okay. Gary Bledso is he's a giant and a legend. And Gary actually has been my lawyer on everything redistricting. So as we actually won with a panel that included a Trump appointed judge, and another Republican, it was two Republicans and one Democrat on that panel.

We went through a very long trial as it relates to redistricting and the lines and that kind of stuff. Gary had been my lawyer for four years because we had been fighting the lines in general. And then when they decided to randomly go through this redistricting, we were already in court. We were already in trial. And they were successful. Yeah. And it was Trump's Supreme Court. that decided four days before the filing deadline in Texas

that they were going to usurp what took place with those judges, those judges that literally for weeks on end had listened to testimony of elected representatives, both on the federal and state level, talk through what happened in redistricting before, talked through what happened in redistricting this time, things that the Supreme Court never got, to hear, and somehow they just decided on a whim that they would overturn it, even though it was

over 100-page opinion. So Gary Blasso is very, very skilled, especially when it comes to federal practice. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pasto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish? episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell pure fiber internet with craved Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability.

Bell, connection is everything. If your bookshelf and your for-you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Pros Society. The weekly podcast, that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters, pop culture obsessives and anyone who thinks pride and prejudice and love island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. So I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest

pop culture moments, nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, and that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place. Listen to Pro Society on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See you between the pages. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements.

We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first. time listeners. Each week we talk to someone in show business, aka the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head, right? How about we flip the script? What is the surprise woman? Actually, you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird.

Adam Scott, this entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect, I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept.

You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity. exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, what's just a state. Everyone's so dumb. And fake. Right. Fake and also not interested. Or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are with that.

us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here.

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And they asked him or he brought up the fact that he's defended you. Actually, we have a clip. We play the clip really quick. Okay. You were at a town hall. I know Keith Edwards came up, Rogue DNC came up, folks who were adamant about attacking Jasmine online, and you said that you wanted them to keep Jasmine's name out of their mouths.

The primary is over. Do you wish you would have said that sooner? The first day that the congresswoman got in the race, I put out a video on social media, sent it to our 50,000 volunteers, sent it to our entire campaign staff, every person who worked in the campaign, and you go back and watch it.

It was in December. and I said that Congresswoman Crockett is my friend. She is a leader and she deserves our utmost respect. And then I kept repeating it throughout the campaign because kept seeing this vitriol on social media. And obviously I can't police every single comment section, but I can show leadership. But it does help your campaign, right? Like I want you to really answer this question. If you saw these coded, I guess, racial dog whistles that were undermining Jasmine Crockett,

it doesn't really be who to step out there and be like, hey, don't do that because you still want to win, right? Well, so I would disagree because attacks on the congresswoman, I think, make it harder for us to win this general election. Like, in Texas, there's no way for any one of our communities to win this election alone. And so we need Black Texans to win this race. And then when we win this race in November, I'll represent the most African-Americans of any senator in the country.

Because that was one of the racial dog was that they said that she wasn't electable. Like, you could win statewide, but she couldn't. Yep, and I got asked about this on the view on national television, and they asked me point blank, like, do you think Congresswoman Crockett is elected by? I said, absolutely. And I said, you know, if she wins this primary, like, I'm going to be behind her a thousand percent. What's our relationship now? Obviously, the primary was difficult.

We've exchanged some messages. I was blown away by the fact that the morning after the primary, I mean, like, early. The next morning, Congresswoman Crockett was out there with a statement endorsing me in the entire ticket. if I'm being very honest, I don't know if I could have done that. What's your reaction to hearing that? Yeah, I mean, listen, the primary is five months past us, but I swear, you know, I guess it's just more clicks to mention my name because I don't think in the history of this country, we've seen a race where, you know, everyone keeps talking about the person that didn't win.

but, you know, that's where we are. I will say that they, there are those that believe I have an underground railroad popping off in Texas and that I've been telling all the black folk on the underground railroad, don't do this or don't do that. And it's, it's so far from the truth. I frankly stop doing as many TV interviews because I, I don't want to talk about the race. Yeah. to be perfectly honest.

And the reasons that I don't is because right now people just need to focus on whatever it's going to take to win. But there is a reckoning that this party needs to have. There isn't, you know, the racism was very clear. And, you know, Angela posed a question. And Charlemagne did the follow-up because the reality is that there was a coordinated online. effort that was taking place, that was putting out misinformation, disinformation. Yeah, that's fine.

Like, there was straight up online bullying bullshit. And for me, as a elected official, I'm used to, you know, all the things. What was happening, though, is everyone was watching it. And for black folk, it is very difficult for them to, like, black people. people are not super trusting of people they don't know, especially in politics. And I think that non-black candidates or candidates that just aren't as familiar with the black community don't understand the deep distrust that the black community has for any politician, Democrat or Republican. And, you know, the reason in my mind that the clip that Angela was about to go into about

the town hall. That is a black woman that I've never met in person, but she's very vocal online. And, you know, there had been a lot of chatter because it didn't stop with me. In fact, I had to sit down with different Texas creators and apologize because they had never been attacked in their lives until they were being honest about their feelings about me and the race. then all of a sudden they were being attacked in their small local, like their small like Texas accounts. And then you got these big national accounts coming after them. There was, you know, like a whole caricature that was put out of Elizabeth Booker and, you know, the NAACP had to get involved. And like that was of that page of Rogue DNC who's always on some nonsense and BS and clipping and sniffing and doing all of the, and all he did.

doing is looking for clips, right? And so, you know, saying it now is comfortable. I will say that Abdul-Said in the midst of the height of attacks on Haley Stevens came out and was very clear about the attacks. I don't need anybody to defend me, though, right? So like you got to decide how you run your race or whatever. I will say that that was one part of the equation. the reality is that there was a super PAC that was running ads that black people saw as, so y'all going to tell us

that this qualified black woman, the one that's already in Congress, is not qualified to go back to the Congress. Right? Like those ads were they spent millions upon millions of dollars and we know that it was one of my opponent's best friends

that ran the super PAC. That's more so what You know, because not everybody online. Like, everybody believes everybody's online. But I'm sure you can highlight your granny. This older generation is not paying attention. They're not. They're not in the midst of the Twitter fights and whatever.

Like, that's not what they're doing. They saw the commercials running. They saw in real time me talking about that same super PAC sending out mailers that were darkening my skin intentionally. And that's, those are the things that I think. I think generally speaking may have caused some problems. And those things were never, like even to this day, that's never been addressed about like, like, you know,

I'm against super PACs. And this super PAC that is working on behalf of me is also saying that like this black woman who's a lawyer, who's been a state rep, who also is a U.S. rep, who's been a national co-chair on a president. presidential campaign, who's been an elected Democratic Party chair of a county who's done all these things. That super PAC, and I'm against super PACs, but also that super PAC does not speak for me because I would never say that if she wins, we lose. I would never say that she's unelectable, right? But that was the entire thing. All of the editorial boards that were,

basically white men. They also, you know, somehow this is the only race where typically the big editorial boards, you both go sit down. My opponent was unavailable every time we were called in to sit down together. And I don't know what the conversations were like privately, separately, because normally they have you, like, in the room together. Yeah. But somehow those papers were coming out with, she's not electable.

Like those were the things they were saying. And one of the biggest paper in Houston ended up calling me a dog. So like, to be clear, there was a lot. And for black people, black people that have followed my career, black people that I've represented, because I've represented historically black districts, whether it's the state level or the federal level, those black people,

I'll give you an example, because I was attempting to talk to an elected official, an older black woman who is not online like that. Like, I don't even know, I'm sure she got a Facebook because, you know, the open. They'll be on Facebook.

They do, they, I'm sure she got a Facebook. But she's a current sitting elected official, not in my district, not in my area, but one day, probably about a month ago, I was trying to talk to her about a race of some sort, which I've not moved on to the general elections yet, but I was trying to talk to her about a race. And as I was trying to talk to her, she's like, don't talk to me about, and she thought I was about to talk to her about the Senate race, and she starts going off on me. Now, I know her very well. She's been elected to multiple things. She's got family members that have been. elected, she was like going off. And she was angry at the thought that I was talking to her about the Senate race and the Senate nominee. And I was like, bro, I'm not, I'm not even on the general yet. Like, I'm working other stuff. Like, I'm going through these primaries because

we need it California. Yeah. And now we got it. We needed Stacey to win down in the Virgin Island so that we have our first black woman governor for sure. Yeah. This coming. Like, we needed different races. So I've been working on primaries and she said to me, she said, I will never forget what happened. This is, this is, so I'm like, y'all don't understand that it's the attacks on somebody that's very beloved, specifically within the community because I've been a fighter. So like people believe that there's, you know, especially every headline that anybody gets of me where they're asking me, well, can he win or can this? and that. I get that everybody thinks Ken Paxson is terrible. And he is. He's absolutely trash, right?

At the same time, he's been elected almost for 20 years in Texas. So if you want to sit there and believe that just because he's a creep that he somehow can't be elected, then you ain't been paying attention. Yeah. Because in Texas, he can get elected. Because he's been getting elected. You see what I'm saying? So my deal is, let's go ahead and be honest about the fact that this isn't a cakewalk. Like, y'all needs to be real. And let's also look at how bad polling has been. Polling told y'all Hillary was going to win.

And y'all looked at Donald Trump and said he was trash and said he couldn't win. And what happened? Trash got elected. So I'm not going to sugarcoat and I would have had the same attitude if I was the nominee of this can't just be, oh, yeah, we got a good poll. You'll have to get out there and work. You said something about the money, too. You said you were watching where the money goes.

Not just the polling, but the money. Correct. People don't like the truth, right? Yeah. They don't. And here's the deal. Beto came really close, but Beto snucked them. Right?

Like they didn't see them coming, right? They will never chill again, especially with Donald Trump being in the white. It was a Donald Trump backlash year when Beto ran. But my deal is definitely James has a financial advantage over Kim Paxton. He has about twice as much money, okay, on hand, I think. But the reality is that the national Republicans announced that they were about to spend $100 million between North Carolina and Georgia. they don't seem they're not letting the biggest Republican state go you understand that if Texas goes that means they don't get the White House yeah right like they have to have Texas and then all

these other little red states right that is their biggest state they're not letting that go so the fact that they're like spending a hundred million dollars between North Carolina and Georgia two smaller states you think they wouldn't be spending in Texas if they were nervous right So, and at the same time, the national Democrats have not announced a spin in Texas. So I'm like, all right, everybody out here, you know, like, oh, yeah, it's happening. But the people on the inside have not made that the day after Abdul won, not even 24 hours later, they had a video out for Abdul. Right? And it's, you know, but they know that we can win Michigan because that's a seat that we

currently hold. Right. So I think that, do I think that it's impossible? No. But like, am I looking at them? Am I looking at all these different things? And I'm saying yes. Now, I have been busy around the country on so many other races that I'm unaware of the nitty gritty about what's happening on the ground because, again, they got snuck by Beto, right? Beto was creating his own. Nobody, they, the rest of weren't looking at him either, right? But he almost got them, but he was doing things on the ground. So, like, I can't assess that as I'm traveling to Michigan and Missouri and all over, right, to see, is there a groundswell that I can feel that maybe they're not aware of? Because when you in D.C., you don't know what's happening. Yeah, because you're not on the ground. Exactly.

So when he says that he defended you, he wasn't loud enough. Is that what you're saying? I don't think that, I mean, I know what video he's talking about. It was when I got into the race, it was, you know, we welcome the congresswoman to the race or whatever. I don't need, the day that I got into the race, it wasn't, that's not the, that's not when all the stuff popped off. I mean, that's, you know, so, I mean, and again, it's not so much about the defending, like, I'm a big girl. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, the president comes for me.

Like, I get people to come from me all the time. time. So that's not, that's not a thing for me. I think that going through the general election, some of the pushback that he's getting, it ain't about, it's not about whether or not I got hurt. It was about people, black people specifically wondering, will he fight for me? Because when they came for his former colleague, his friend, we didn't see it. That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? like I get attacked relentlessly. That's nothing new. But the attacks were racial, which again, I get that all the time as well, right?

But I think that when trying to understand why a constituency, there are those that just want to say, well, it's Jasmine's fault. And it's because Jasmine's not out there with him side by side. yeah, because frankly, one seat in the country when I have the ability to influence change and seats all around the country. And frankly, Texas Democrats decided that they didn't want or need my, like, I applied for a job. I didn't get it.

Most people don't apply for the job and then don't get it. And then be like, but I'm going to show up every day. And I'm going to, I'm going to do this job anyway. Like, that's not, like, the things that were said were, and this is by people that voted for him as well, said things like, well, we love her, but we're just afraid that she's going to bring MAGA out. Okay, cool. If y'all are afraid that I'm going to now jazz MAGA up and cause a problem for us,

like then why would you now want me out there? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like talking out of both sides of your mouth. And in my mind, the best way that I can help the people of Texas is if, if I go in and I help out on these down ballot races, because typically people rely on the top of the ticket to drag people in. That's the marquee race. That's how you get people to come out. I personally don't feel like the excitement necessarily exists within the black community, right?

Right now, like that's, I don't feel like they're excited, right? But I do have some amazing black candidates that are running for office in some of the largest counties. So if I can introduce black folk to them, that may excite them and get them to the polls. So I'm working backwards. But the reality is that like I don't know of anybody calling Tom Steyer asking him, bro, you drop $200 million in Cali. You're going to drop some money. Like make it rain somewhere else. Tom?

Like you got it. Right. Like no one else. And so it's also just a double layer of like insult. just kind of the continuous like she got to go and she got to do like nobody can tell me what to do like I just happen to be a person that actually gives a damn like I ran because I care and so my caring doesn't stop because I lost but it is clear that there were areas that I was very successful in it was big major cities the ones that I'm the ones that I won are the ones that I'm going

back into, right? So we have Letitia Plummer who's running to be the county judge in Harris County, the largest county in the state. I need to go help Letitia Plummer. Yeah. We also have Lisa Simmons, who is like an aunt to me, who I've known for a very long time, who I endorsed before I got into the race because I made a decision that I wouldn't be endorsing in the primaries, but I endorsed her before I was in the Senate race. She got 40,000 more votes than the Republican in the primary in Tarrant County. Tarrant County is our last large county, not to go blue.

So I'm going to go help Elisa, who's running at the top of the ticket. And then we also have Dexter, who's down in Fort Bend, which is right outside of Harris County, who's running to be the county judge. Again, these are counties that I won. So I'm going to go in,

but also I have really great black candidates that maybe I need more people to, like, know about, and I need to give my seal of approval to, Like, not like, like that, but like people, but people trust that I don't like pretend. Like, I don't play. Like, if I put somebody in front of you, like, I vetted them. You can trust what I'm saying. Yeah, you can trust that they like are really going to look out for you.

So this is my way of helping. But like, they want to tell me what to do. They want to tell me how to help. And I'm like, y'all are the same people that haven't been able to figure out how to win Texas in the first place. So, like, miss me. And I'm going to do what I want to do for free. In fact, I'm giving of money, raising money to be able to do it. But also, these are candidates that I know and I trust and I believe in.

And no matter what happens statewide, it is necessary to have people that I know will push back on people trying to harm their people, such as the governor or the federal government if for some reason we don't flip the state. Where do things stand between the two of you now? I mean, it's not like we were, we were, I don't know what people thought. I mean, we worked in the house together. We did. And like, but it's not like we sat on the phone. Like when I talked to you that like, and I talked about my homies. Yeah.

That didn't include him. Like, I mean, it wasn't like that. Like, it wasn't like we were best buds. In fact, you know, in the house, if, if we were to describe the caucuses that we subscribe to, I actually started the progressive caucus in the statehouse. He wasn't a member of that. Like, we weren't in the same kind of, for people that understand how legislative like stuff works.

Like, we weren't in the same caucuses. You know what I mean? We, I definitely was on the left flank of things. And so, like, I can't think of that many people within the caucus that was like, I don't like you. Like, there was nothing like that. Like, we were small but mighty. And that was that. So we know each other.

Just like every other colleague that I served with in the state house, we all know each other. But like, we've never hung out. We didn't hang out before. We probably won't be, you know what I mean? Like, I think people have a perception that like, no, like I can tell you the people that like I actually hung out with. And I will be honest and tell you that I've never really been one to do a lot of hanging with other politicians. Yeah. We talked about in the beginning.

You like to hang out with people that you know. that you're comfortable with. So I don't really, like, it's not that that many politicians that I actually, like, hang with. Like, it's like, we go to work. And then there are those that it's like, no, you're my homie. Like, we can actually go. We can talk about our personal lives.

We can do all those things. We've never done any of that. So it was. He said that he needs a black vote to be able to win. Do you think he'll get the black vote to be able to win? I don't think that there's any Democrat that's running right now that's not going to get the black vote. Sure. So, you know, I feel.

like there's people that are trying to blame things preemptively on black vote, but like there's, the black people are the most loyal part of the Democratic Party. He will absolutely perform better with black people. They don't perform with anybody else. But, you know, to be perfectly honest, the white vote is, is the concerning vote specifically in Texas. Whether you're a black man, a white woman, or a white man running for the Senate, as a white vote, I analyze the numbers, we only get three out of ten white votes in Texas as Democrats, no matter who you are. So, you know, my theory of the case was to run up the black numbers. Yeah.

Run up the brown numbers because 61% of the state is people of color. But when we're looking at who's not voting, a higher percentage of black and brown people aren't voting. So white people who are voting seven out of ten times for the Republican, they are also voting at a higher percentage than everybody else. So it's not how they tell you to run. You know, all of the consultants will tell you you've got to go spend your money trying to get Republicans to convert. And in a state like Texas, being a Republican is a part of your identity. And it's bigger than it. It's not just part. It is a part of your identity. And knowing that for every dollar that I spend trying to get one of them to convert, I could have just went holiday black people and nine out of ten times, they will go the right way. Yeah. Right. Or, you know, really trying to solidify support within the Latino community because the Latino community has gone back and forth about who it is that they support Democrats or Republicans in the various elections.

So really trying to solidify with them and build coalition and get them to understand that, like, I believe that my fate is tied to yours. So, like, I'm on the front lines making sure that you are not being targeted simply because of your accent or your color. That sounds familiar to the experience of black folk, right? So, you know, that was my theory. That has not been the theory of, of, you know, his initial campaign. their theory was that they could get white evangelical Christians. And I personally think that that's just a cover for what people say, because I don't see white evangelical Christians in the definition of what I know as a Christian

wanting to put a 34-count convicted felon who just happened to have a sexual assault, liable finding against him into the White House, White House, right? Like, I don't see that, right? Like, in my definition of Christian or a guy this guy, you know, multiple wives and baby mamas, like, I don't see them. Like, so I'm like, that's a cover. Yeah. Right?

Like, in my mind. So I don't really place it. Like, I don't think that that's why, you know, that some of them are voting that way. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pastos survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers?

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Hey, this is Hayes Davenport And Sean Clements We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook On the Big Money Players Network Our show is extremely accessible To first time listeners Each week we talk to someone in show business A.k.a. The biz

And try to help them with their careers And see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time And no one gets mad at their publicists For letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this?

How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip the script? What is the surprise woman? Actually, you think it's the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott, this entire time you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect. I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it.

I'm always going to accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity. Exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no.

Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, what's a state. Everyone's so dumb. And fake. Right, fake and also not interesting. or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life.

And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on a motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word

solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And I'll end with this. You know, your time in Congress is coming to an end.

Yeah. Have you allowed yourself to dream about what's next or you just focus on what's in front of you? You know, I'm still doing the work because, you know, I'm in until January for sure. And I'm still trying to make sure that we have a majority in the House, you know. And I specifically stayed out of Senate primaries because I didn't want anything to feel anything like what mine felt like as far as the lasting divisions. and, you know, for some people I can be polarizing. And so I didn't want that to happen because the Senate is so delicate. The numbers are so tight. And so I didn't want to play in any of the Senate primaries, but I will be playing in some of the Senate general elections for sure,

especially where there's large constituencies of African Americans. And I'll be looking at the numbers, but, you know, Mississippi comes to mind as 40% of the state is black. And so, you know, I look at where are the numbers, right? Like, where can we really make things happen? So that's for now. But I have officially decided on my talent agents. So I've got them.

So I have my agency picked out. And so my agents and my lawyer, actually lawyers, got to make sure my ethics lawyer is involved as well as my entertainment lawyer. And so they're all about to. to kind of really start plowing through. That was a very difficult decision. I took a lot of time, thought, prayer to figure that part out. So, you know, we'll see what some of the brainstorming looks like as far as the ideas that they come up with.

What would you like to do? I really want to still be in a space to educate. You know, I think that politically I'm still a very trusted voice in politics. And we're still in very rough terrain. So definitely, you know, I've been asked on the floor as well as other places if I was going to the view. And I'm like, listen, the view, their table is kind of full. That's for sure. But, you know, Anna Navarro is there once or twice.

You know, she's in and out. So an in and out on the view would be cool. I don't really want to do anything. That's a five day a week. Yeah. So I'm not, because I do still want to be able to travel the country and to help out in races and that kind of stuff, we most likely will open a political firm of sorts where we can help to consult and help candidates not just be paying out the wazoo and still losing. Because some people just make their meal ticket on just doing consulting and all they care about is the bag. Yeah.

They don't care about the end result. Yeah. And that's not what I, like, I want a results driven team. that we can help people out. So for sure, we'll still be doing that and I'll need flexibility. Yeah. But what, in my opinion, made people really be drawn to me was my litigation skills. Okay.

So the next level is there are law firms that have been wanting to talk to me, but I wanted to get through my talent agents first because we've got to get started on the book and all that kind of stuff. So I absolutely want to do law, though. So I'll start to engage in some. some of those conversations about kind of how people envision me. There's basically two different visions that people have. So I'll start to try to figure out what fit is really going to work for me.

But again, going back to my childhood and doing a lot of things, I'm going to probably be way busier now. Because you can't just do one thing. You multitask at all at the same time. Exactly. Will we see you in politics again? I do not plan to run for that. house again. That's for sure. The way that I describe it is just imagine graduating from like college and you go out and you start

making money and then somebody's like go back to school and you got to stop working. Yeah, no, right? So a lot of people don't understand what we're not allowed to do, especially in looking at this administration and they just do what they want to do. I'm not that girl. You ain't going to throw me under the jail. So and in some of this, just doesn't even make sense, right? Like I discussed on one of my breakfast club interviews one time about the fact that I had a case that it's actually still pending all these years later because civil rights cases can take way too long. And I was like, if it settles today, because I'm a member of Congress, even though I worked on it for years leading up, I couldn't get my check. That's the rules. There's nothing nefarious about it. Even if I went to trial,

and tried the case, I still wouldn't be able to get the money. And so I'm like, that's just crazy. Because we see the opposite of that right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no. I mean, it is so extreme on what we can't get paid for. So, you know, for me, a lot of people don't know that I'm an only child and my parents are aging.

My mom and dad divorced when I was 15. So my mom has never remarried. And as I'm thinking about putting myself into the best position to be able to help my parents that are aging, I never was going to say in Congress forever. People don't know, but I was planning for this to be my last run. Even if I had been successful in getting to the Senate, for me, it was a matter of let's just break this up. We win. That means we start to get the national investments to really get the infrastructure that we need because that means that the Republicans never get the White House, right? Like that was, it was always bigger than me.

It was about let's make a breakthrough. And I would have done one term. I would have been done in six years. And if I didn't run for the Senate as I was going back and forth, this would have been my last run. It would have been finishing up when Trump finished. But needing to really get out and make some money to be able to feel comfortable with the fact that I have aging parents and it's just me. Yeah. Oh, I could talk to you all day.

We are just so grateful for your truth, for your soul. service. And I just honestly, I can't even imagine Congress without you. You know, I can't even imagine, you know, something happening and not hearing your take on it. You know what I mean? You've been one of the realest voices that we have and that we need it. And as a little black girl from Alaska, you know, just seeing you on the national stage, it just reminded me of what is possible. So, you know, I just want to say thank you. And how much you'll be missed. And we'll have to leave it there. But thank you so much.

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