The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Brandy Explains Why She Walked Off Stage, Monica Responds, Stephen A. Smith Calls Out LeBron & Alexis Ohanian Again + Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka’oir Interview

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Gucci Mane and Keyshia Ka’oir open up about living with schizophrenia within their family, maintaining control during mental health episodes, and strengthening their... bond through it all. Plus, Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to a Taco Bell employee who fatally shot his manager after being fired. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:21 Y, Joe, it's a morning. Peace of the planet, it's Monday! Good morning, how y'all feel out there? I feel blessed black and highly favored. Happy to be here, another day to serve our beautiful listeners. Good morning, what's happening. Good morning. How was your weekend?
Starting point is 00:02:36 Jess, what you do this weekend? You was off? Yes, I was off, but I'm still always on, very much doing business every day. But me and my kids, we carved pumpkins this year. Marley is too young to do it, but me and my son, we did it. We had a contest, and whoever carved, like, the best, like, creative little pumpkin, and got $50. I gave it to Ash anyway.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Mine was better than his. I had a wig, lashes, did my eyebrows on it. I put a little nose ring in my pumpkin. Did you carve it, carving? Like, cut the inside. Yes, I did. I know what carving. I was making sure.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Because some people just paint pumpkins and they'd be like, I call it. No, no, no, no. That's what we let Marley do because she won. But she was looking at that like, no, I'm not. So, yeah, Ash, like he made his pumpkin look like scream, like the scream villain or whatever. But mine was nice. My was giving very much to the girl.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Okay. He runs. He got more. Yeah, she had a wig and eyelashes. Oh, city girls. I busted down. My pumpkin had to bust down real week very much. And it still better be on my porch.
Starting point is 00:03:32 I know that when I get back to Merlin. Okay. Well, this is the first year that I actually did fall decorations. Okay. So we put up pumpkins. I was excited because my neighbors do it all the time. I know you get the day. I just do Christmas.
Starting point is 00:03:44 So we got busy with it. I was excited about that. And I got to give you some spray. There's a spray that you spray on the pumpkins so that the animals don't eat the pumpkins. Oh. The squirrels don't eat in, the chipnunks, the rabbits, the deer's. I send you the app. Thank you for this praise.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Now, Charlemagne, I knew you was in Alabama, right? Yeah, I was in Birmingham over the weekend. Drop one of clues bombs for everybody. I saw in Birmingham. I was, you know, Kamala Harris' book is out. 107 days. Been number one on the New York Times best sellers list for weeks now. And so I did a couple of book conversations with her on Friday night.
Starting point is 00:04:14 That's right. We go get that back on this morning. Yeah, we spoke at 5 o'clock. Then we had a second show at 8 o'clock. Which is interesting because I don't think I ever did that before. Like talk to the same person? Yeah, twice. Twice in the span of hours.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah. And it was two totally different conversations. Okay. Well, we're going to get that, if you miss it or you weren't there, of course. We're going to get that back on later on this today. And Snoop there, everybody, I talked at Johanis. Johanis restaurant in Birmingham, Alabama. My home girl, Shun owns that spot in Birmingham.
Starting point is 00:04:42 And, you know, they got the classic this weekend. Yes. Yes. And everybody going to be trying to get into Johanis because it's that type of spot. It's a Japanese spot. They serve sushi and all types of other stuff. So if you need a table, call me. I'm not going to pick up, but, you know.
Starting point is 00:04:54 This feels good to say, call me. I know the owner. Jesus. But I'm not going to pick up. No, who won that Danny Garcia fight? Danny Garcia. Knocked him out. I didn't hear anything about it.
Starting point is 00:05:02 I just wanted to make sure he did win. That was his last fight. And he is now retired then. Allegedly. According to what he said. Yeah, I don't think he retired. Okay, that's dope. I'm glad he won.
Starting point is 00:05:12 All right. Now, today on the show, Gucci Main will be joining us. Ooh, the Wobsters, not just Gucci now. Now also his wife, Kishika, y'all, they'll be We're joining us. He has a new book called Episodes and a new album, so we're going to be talking to Gucci Man. Episodes is such an important book because, you know, Gucci Man has been clinically diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia, and he's the first artist that I can remember who is open about that, talking about that, talking about taking his meds and, you know, what triggers his episodes, you know, how his wife helped him get through it. Very important book episodes is, man, so I can't wait to talk to him about it. That's right. So Gucci will be joining us this morning.
Starting point is 00:05:48 It should be a lot of fun. And when we come back, we got front page news. A lot of protests over the weekend. Mimi will be filling us with everything that went down over the weekend. So don't go anywhere. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:05:58 It's DJ NVHS hilarious. Shawlamey, the God. We are the breakfast club. Let's get in some front page news. You're number one today when Gloria said, how is that your man when he's right here with me? Crazy. Why are you telling you, Lowe? That's right.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Damn. She's trying to humble the bitch. I let her know. I don't even know why we're doing. when football scores, but I'll do them. All right. The Eagles beat the Vikings, 28, 22, Patriots beat the Titans, the Browns beat the Dolphins. The Chiefs beat the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:06:24 The Giants lost to the Broncos. That is so disrespectful, so nasty, so disgusting. Y'all should be ashamed of yourself. You're up 19-0 in the fourth quarter. Come back, you miss two-point. Like, oh, my gosh. No, not like that. When's the last time that happened?
Starting point is 00:06:40 It hasn't happened in 1600 games. A team has been up 19 points in the fourth quarter or more. But of course, the Giants wrote that racket. All right, the Cowboys beat the Commanders, 422. 49ers beat the Falcons, 2010. The Packers beat the Cardinals. The Colts beat the Chargers, the Bears beat the Saints,
Starting point is 00:06:56 and the Jets lost again. The Jets are 0-N-7. Now, tonight and Monday night football! Tampa Bay takes on the Detroit Lions and the Texans take on the Seahogs. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, Mee, Jashaldemaine. How y'all doing this morning?
Starting point is 00:07:10 Hey, girl. Peace, Mimi. Good morning. All right, well, we start this morning with massive protests around the country as millions took to the streets for the No King's movement. A direct response to President Trump and his administration, nearly seven million people across all 50 states and all around the world joined Saturday's demonstrations denouncing what they call an abuse of power by the president. Now, organizers say it was the largest single day protest against a sitting
Starting point is 00:07:36 president in modern day history surpassing the first wave of No King demonstrations held back in June. From Boston to Los Angeles, huge crowds fill the streets, waving flags, carrying signs. Protesters said that they were marching to defend democracy, oppose immigration raids, and push back on troop deployments, and health care cuts. And in Washington, Senator Bernie Sanders, he took to the stage calling out what he says are growing threats to democracy. Let's listen. This is about a handful of the wealthiest people on earth. who in their insatiable greed have hijacked our economy and our political system
Starting point is 00:08:17 in order to enrich themselves at the expense of working families throughout this country. I am talking about Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bach Zuckerberg, and the other multi-billionaires. Well, meanwhile, Republicans are dismissing the protests as hate America rallies, accusing Democrats of fueling unrest during the ongoing government shutdown. And reporters, they press President Trump for his reaction to the massive demonstrations this weekend, and this was his response. What's your response to the protests over the weekend of New King's protests? I think it's a joke. I looked at the people. They're not representative of this country. And I looked at all the brand new signs, I guess it was made. for by Soros and other radical left lunatics. It looks like it was. We're checking it out.
Starting point is 00:09:11 The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective, and the people were whacked out. When you look at those people, those are not representative of the people of our country. Besides San Francisco. I'm not a king. I'm not a king. I work my ass off to make our country great. That's all it is. I'm not a king at all. Yeah, I don't think he's a king. He's just not a good president. I mean, when you have a bunch of people who are unemployed, when you have a bunch of people who aren't getting paid, what do you expect them to do?
Starting point is 00:09:38 Like they feel like they're not being heard, so of course they're going to take to the streets. Absolutely. And just to say, Trump, he also, he mocked those demonstrations Saturday while they were going on. He posted on true social, including AI-generated video, showing him wearing a crown,
Starting point is 00:09:54 flying a jet, and bombing protesters with some sort of brown liquid. But despite the criticism, organizers are saying that it was a success, saying millions came together to peacefully send the clear message about democracy and later today in Washington the shutdown. The senators will
Starting point is 00:10:09 reconvene at 3 p.m. to take another vote at 5.30 on reopening the government and see if we're going to continue the shutdown so we'll continue to watch that. Nobody's going to be happy because Donald Trump made a lot of promises about the economy that, you know, have not been kept. And he promised immediate
Starting point is 00:10:25 relief on day one. So inflation would be down, you know, grocery prices would be down, gas prices would be down. That's what he promised the American people on day one. All you're seeing is a bunch of, you know, firings and layoffs and furloughs and people not working.
Starting point is 00:10:40 What does he expect people to do except for taking to the street and make some noise? Especially the holidays coming up to? Oh, my God. This is the ultimate reminder that you ain't got no goddamn money in your pocket. Absolutely. And people are really feeling it.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Not only is he doing all those things, Charlemagne, he is pardoning and commuting sentences. So former Congressman George Santos, he is a free man this morning after President Trump commuted his sentence. You guys remember him. He was the congressman who was indicted or he went to jail for seven years for wire fraud and identity theft after admitting he stole campaign funds and lied to donors for personal gain. And so now, hours after his release, Trump posted on true social saying Santos had been horribly treated in prison and he was ordering his immediate release.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And now not only did Trump commute his sentence, he also just wiped his slate completely clean, including removing his probation. his fines, his supervised release, and his restitution. I think the restitution part is important because he had been told that he had to pay back $370,000 to his victims. Now, if you remember, he had been convicted of stealing money from a fundraiser for a sick service dog from a Navy veteran, his supporters, including Marjorie Taylor Green. They argued that his punishment was too harsh and that his time in solitary confinement was unfair, but records show that Santos had actually requested.
Starting point is 00:12:03 sit to be in solitary confinement for his sanity and his safety. And the backlash over his release is being felt on both sides of the aisle with some Republicans saying the move rewards bad behavior and undermines public trust in leadership. Yeah. Did Trump ever say why he decided to pardon George Santa? Well, he just said that a lot of people asked him to. The only person that has come out and said that they asked him to was Marjorie Taylor
Starting point is 00:12:27 Green. So, you know. You got to laugh at the judicial system at this point, right? anybody who, if you're cool with Trump, you really don't serve much time. You ain't got to pay restitution. You ain't on probation. I heard him this morning, Sanso said that. He was like, they were like, well, are you going to pay your victims back?
Starting point is 00:12:43 He goes, whatever the court makes me do it is what I'm going to do. So anything over that? Nope. You don't even care. Like, nope. And he has to do none of that things to Trump and be. So we will continue to see what happens with that. But he is out of jail this morning and a free man.
Starting point is 00:13:02 All right. Well, coming up at seven. growing problem that has everyone screening their calls. We'll tell you what it is and how to fight back. All right. Everybody else get it off your chest. 800 585-105-105.1. If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open. Again,
Starting point is 00:13:15 800-585105.1 is the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Ray, Ray, Ray. Yo, Sala Man. Evie, what up? Are we live? This is your time to get it off your chest. I got an indoor pool,
Starting point is 00:13:31 an outdoor pool. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. We can get on the phone right now. We'll tell you what it is. We live. Hello, who's this? Hey, what's up? This is Paul.
Starting point is 00:13:40 How are you guys doing? What's up, Paul? What's up, Paul? I'm called from the rugby, Denver, Colorado. I wanted to check in and see how everybody in New York is doing, see if any of y' y' y'all are still delusional. Let's go, Paul. Let's go, Paul.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Talk your talk, Paul. You deserve to be able to talk all your talk this morning, Paul. Rubbing in these New York Giants' fans' faces, Paul. We're not well. We're not well. Now, Paul, did you watch the food game or did you? I wanted to see... Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:14:04 No, no, I'll tell you what. I thought about shutting that game off because it was looking ugly. I'm not going to lie. But to see the Broncos come from behind both times, pause, and kill it. That was crazy. Never give up on your team. Never give up on your team, Paul.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Always ride with your team to the end. Paul, it was disrespectful. The kicker's going to miss two point afters? Two? That was crazy. Oh, my God. That was an interception. And then at the end, we almost shot ourselves in the foot, too.
Starting point is 00:14:30 having our coach you on the field and that you guys end up getting first of a role like that I thought it was over right there man I thought the football guys would like take this win and I was I was going to take it pause but no damn oh you definitely took it
Starting point is 00:14:43 I hope you all right man the giant's the bottom of the division right where they need to be thank you Paul meanwhile the Dallas Cowboys got the number one offense in the league I just want everybody to know that oh my goodness hello who's this our defense is terrible
Starting point is 00:14:54 hello hey I hear me yeah we can hear you what's up get off your chest bro what's going on y'all y'all Good morning. Good morning. Man, did y'all see the way sexy ran through us back on Chris Brown over the weekend?
Starting point is 00:15:07 I did. She was throwing it back. I was okay, Chris. Man, I'm like, I'm no justice. All right, man. She's got her man, man. No, I'm good. See, I go on the back, though?
Starting point is 00:15:16 No, no, no, no. She's getting to do now what I had did back then. Yeah. So she could walk. Man. I like that. I like that. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:15:29 How did your current Chris feel about this? Huh? How did your current Chris feel about all this? That's my past. I already been there, done that, so I didn't get made. Oh, okay, because you sounded very excited just now. Like, you were blushing? No, because I saw it because I was happy for sexy red.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Because I'm happy for sexy red. I don't need to be doing that on Chris no more. See what you started, sir. Hey, hey, she lights up over Chris Bray. Lights up. I mean, it's unbelievable. Crazy, yo. Hey, I got one more thing.
Starting point is 00:15:53 What's up, brother? Just you be tripping me out because sometimes I'll be listening to you. And you'd be saying, like I'm like instead of saying Fenner you say I'm Ray I'm like I'm I'm ready to do something I'm ready to go out yeah yeah I'm ready to the store see I'm from Louisville
Starting point is 00:16:09 and I thought that was just a Louisville thing because that's what we say no I'm Ray go Ray leave out it'd be tripping me out but that's all I want to tell you y'all have a good one you too well thank you get it off your chest 800 585 1051 if you need to vent
Starting point is 00:16:25 hit us up now is the Breakfast Club good morning The Breakfast Club This is your time to get it off your chest Whether you're mad or blessed I hate the way that you walk the way that you talk I hate the way that you dress Everything with me is best Call up next
Starting point is 00:16:42 800 5855151051 Not just me I'm with the coach of feeling Hello who's this Good morning This PJ Engie what's going on brother Mr. Show Money, what I'm getting it off your chest brother Hey man listen
Starting point is 00:16:54 Charlie and the guy what's going on Peace King what's the word That's my that's my guy right there forever. You need what's going on. This is what's going on, Jess? How you doing? Oh, man, I'm black, blessed.
Starting point is 00:17:08 I like my man, highly favorite. Period. Really? Really great. What we're going to do about season A. Coonhead Smith, he need to get out of here. We need to keep his name in the press every single day.
Starting point is 00:17:25 He's a cool. He's a sellout. He's a sucker. and I'm charging y'all my breakfast club family with keeping this guy's name in the carpet I mean in front of the people
Starting point is 00:17:38 he need to be talking of the day from now for the rest of the year he's disgusting as a human being he is not a black man he is a house well he's definitely
Starting point is 00:17:51 he's definitely a black man and he does not need no he's a house come on to all the man but listen he doesn't he don't He don't need all help keeping his name in the news. Stephen A. Smith, Stephen A. Smith may have a line every day.
Starting point is 00:18:04 No, we need to call him out for what he is. We expose him, bro, for what he is. Every time, even it started before Trump. Every time he has a black athlete or black commentator on his show, he's on their ass, fucking how they're dressing, trying to laugh at all. All the crackers, he'd be up there with. He keyed keying, laughing, jokes, he is a coon and a sellout
Starting point is 00:18:32 and he needs to be exposed at every I mean my blood boils I normally call y'all with joy I love y'all so much but this guy is an absolute cool well the segment is called get it off your chest
Starting point is 00:18:49 so you got it off your chest Mr. Show money he sure did yo what did I think we're talking about Jason damn Jasmine Crackett I think I guess is his words for Jesse McCrackett, maybe, or... Ask Mr. Show Money's opinion.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Oh, okay. Hello, who's this? It's Diego. It's a truck driver. Diego, the truck driver. What's up, brother? Hey, what's up? Good morning.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Jeff. Good morning. Evie. Good morning, brother. How you doing, King? Get it off your chest. I'm like, I'm good. Listen, I want to get off my chest.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I think it's crazy that we pay federal taxes and the federal government is shut down. That's insane to me. I agree, bro. Yeah. Yep. For sure. I got it.
Starting point is 00:19:30 And I got a question for y'all. What happened is we, the people like the working class was to go like on our double sports and just stop paying federal tax. We'd all end up in jail. We're all going to jail. All of us. Is that much room? Thank you, so.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Everybody? Everybody. I think that would be a best way to, like, a tough protest. I think that should be black people with reparations. I think they should, you know, allow us not to have to pay federal tax. Absolutely. I agree. But that's all I got to say.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I don't want to pay federal taxes. I love y'all. Love you too, King. I agree. I don't want to pay federal taxes for 400 years. I'm with you. I'm with you. Make black people federally tax exempt for 400 years, man.
Starting point is 00:20:12 I'm with you. Get it off your chest. 800, 585 101. Now we got the latest with Lauren coming up. What are we talking about, Lauren? Yeah, we're talking Brandi and Monica. There was an emergency at the Boy's Mind Tour. Didn't go on one night.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Didn't finish one night. We're going to get into why. We're going to talk about what happened. All right. All right, we'll get to that next. So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:20:31 The Breakfast Club. This morning, everybody. It's D.J. N.G. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight fit. Tell us.
Starting point is 00:20:44 She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details. I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She'd be having the latest on this. The latest with Lauren La Rosa. Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. she has a little bit everything.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Well, it's the ladies. On the breakfast club. Talk to me. L.L. Cubey. Good morning. So, Brandy and Monica kicked off. The Boy is Mine tour. It has been 27 years, y'all.
Starting point is 00:21:12 We've been waiting for this. And it finally happened. So they're performing in Chicago over the weekend on one of the opening tour dates and an emergency happened. So Brandy is on stage. Her sound begins to mess up. And then she actually walks all. trying to fix it. Let's take a listen to Brandy on stage.
Starting point is 00:21:58 That was her issue. So she was saying that there was something wrong with the sound. When she walks off stage during the song, she goes to the side to like the audio booth that's normally sitting on the side. And you see her talking with them. She's trying to figure something out. But then she didn't return to the stage at all for the rest of the show. And by the way, she did sound good on her way out, right? Like she still sounded good on the way out too.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I thought so too. But I mean, according to how she felt, it wasn't what she needed it to be. So she's on the side of the stage. There's a bunch of fan videos of them recording her, going back and forth with the audio engineer, just trying to figure things out. She doesn't return. So then Monica comes out and finishes the rest of the set.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Let's take a listen to Monica because they don't get to hear this night in Chicago, Saturday. The boy is mine. Let's take a listen to Monica. I definitely want to say it's an honor to share the stage with Brandon, no way. Now, I'm saying this from the bottom of my heart.
Starting point is 00:22:54 It took 27 years to figure out what we were. supposed to be. And what I'm realizing is we allow too many other people in the midst of what was just supposed to be us. So, in honor, just the way I feel, as I say thank you to each and hear your heart man. I want y'all to make some doors all around this room to ground you, the hopeful ground might be going deaf because it's all for me to hear what they were saying. Yeah. Yeah. So was it the sound or was it dehydration? Because, Lauren, I saw the next day that it was like some dehydration stuff, but nobody sounded dehydrated.
Starting point is 00:23:42 So the next day, because fans were trying to figure out what was going on, there were a lot of people upset, but there were a lot of people concerned because Brandy just walked off the stage and didn't finish and come back out. So Brandy posted a letter to the fans and she said, I sincerely apologize for the abrupt end to last night's performance in Chicago. after a few weeks of non-stop rehearsals last night I experienced dehydration and feeling of wanting to faint.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Everyone involved agreed that prioritizing my well-being was the utmost importance. I still made the decision to try and return and give it my awe despite not feeling okay with having to make some adjustments in the show being very technical. Unfortunately, it was impossible to fully connect sonically with the production. I really appreciate
Starting point is 00:24:18 everyone's best effort. I'm deeply grateful to my sister Monica for stepping up with such grace and professionalism and the entire crew for their continued support. Hey, it's Ed Helms, and welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw-ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu every single episode. 32 lost nuclear weapons. Wait, stop?
Starting point is 00:24:40 What? Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s basketball player. Who still wore knee pads? Yes. It's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Shear made me feel good. I'm like, oh, wow. And Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched.
Starting point is 00:24:58 You're here. What was that like for you to soft launch into the show? Sorry, Jenna. I'll be asking the questions today. I forgot whose podcasts we were doing. Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's see how it goes.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Listen to season four of Snap-Foo with Ed Helms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News dives deep into one big global business story every weekday. A shutdown means we don't get the data, but it also means for President Trump that there's no chance of bad news on the labor market. What does a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich, reveal about the economy? Our breakfast foods are consistent consumer staples, and so they sort of become outsize indicators of inflation. What's behind Elon Musk's trillion dollar payout? There's a sort of concerted effort to message that Musk is coming back.
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Starting point is 00:27:36 Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.
Starting point is 00:28:17 America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I went from the arena to see a doctor nearby, and I've taken the proper precautions to help me moving forward. Your understanding patience and unwavering belief mean the world to me. I look forward to returning to the stage stronger and more grateful than ever
Starting point is 00:29:02 alongside my girl, Monica, tonight in Indianapolis. And that's what happened. They got back on the stage last night, Sunday night in Indianapolis, and we're able to get through the show. The crowd was able to hear the boy's mind. But, I mean, it sounds like a little bit of both, just to answer your question. And like there were some technical things going on, but she physically wasn't feeling okay.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Okay. And then you still couldn't tell her because she was still bobbing and all that, bombing and weaving and doing a thing. And she sounded good. She always sounds great. But if it was the hydration, did you see what they be having on? They do be performing like they outside, like in the big-ass coats. And they be having.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Coats, boots, hats, everything. I'm like, yes, they got to take some of them layers off. Well, you know, they'd be having air conditions and fans inside all out of those outfits. I know, but it seemed like... No, I know. I made that up, and you talk about you. I didn't have to say for a word. That's why I love to you.
Starting point is 00:29:50 You see what I'm saying? Black people who will be quick to believe. And she was ready to lie with me. I'm talking about, yeah, I know. Now, in some of those costumes, they do have fans when they had to wear the headpiece, but not not those type of costumes, but my whole thing is, so you were fine, you were dehydrated on Saturday, but then you performed on Sunday, no problem? That's great.
Starting point is 00:30:11 I mean, I just, do I get my money back? Because I wanted to see the boy's mind. But it wasn't the whole. I bet you did, she did, came. Oh, I bet you did. Don't shut up. Your hoodie say been a queen. No, it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:30:23 It's been from Queens, man. No, I mean, there were queens that were really upset. Ben, Queen's motion. Yeah, Ben Queen's motion. Yeah, it's all right. The boy is still yours. The boy will always be yours. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I hate y'all. Yes. And there are other dates. This is the beginning of a tour. I know it's unfortunate for the famous Chicago, though, but there are a few. But I do like the outfits, though. They just look like they're about to come in for Christmas, though. You know, like, they have a lot.
Starting point is 00:30:46 They're extra layered. Hey, drop on a cool bomb for Kelly rolling. Kelly was dressed appropriately. Oh, my gosh. Kelly looked like it was summertime. Absolutely. Yep, she did. She looked like she prepared, she was prepared for it to be hot.
Starting point is 00:30:57 That is the Godiva chocolate goddess. I do want to see that show. Kelly and a black hat with the shorts. Yes. I ain't see no hat, but I do. No, it wasn't a hat. She had a hat on. She had a boot to.
Starting point is 00:31:05 No, no, she did have a hat, but she took it off because she had the short bob under the hat. Yeah, she right. She ate that down. Yes, ma'am. Are they coming to New York? They got to. I want to see Kelly They are coming
Starting point is 00:31:15 Okay Shout out to them on tour though Because it's rough to be doing all these dates Back to back to back Because they're opening weekend It was true Every single day They're opening weekend
Starting point is 00:31:27 Yeah salute to Monica Salute the brand I hope they Well they got it together So I'm happy for them Yeah absolutely And happy birthday to Snoop Dog That's his birthday
Starting point is 00:31:34 And be a young boy Okay We got some more birthdays And Kamala Harris right And Kamala Harris Yeah yeah yeah We got some more birthdays Next hour too
Starting point is 00:31:42 All right Now, when we come back, we got front-page news. And then Gooch and Maine will be joining us. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalameen, the guy.
Starting point is 00:31:52 We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get into front-page news. For some quick sports, congratulations to the Dodgers. They advanced in the 2025 World Series after sweeping the Brewers. Now, tonight, Mariners take on the Blue Jays and the winner of that game. We'll be playing the Dodgers. Now, with some football, the Eagles beat the Vikings. The Patriots beat the Titans.
Starting point is 00:32:09 Browns beat the Dolphins. The Chiefs beat the Raiders. The Giants lost. to the Broncos, horrible, disrespectful. We should be ashamed of ourselves with that game. We're up 19-0-0 in the fourth quarter, come back and lose, we missed two-point. Oh, my gosh. Why should they be
Starting point is 00:32:22 ashamed about this game? They're two and five on the season. What about the other four games they lost this year? They're the bottom of the division. They suck! We do. But not as bad as the Jets. The Jets lost 13 to 6, their 0-N-7. Oh, the Jets suck, yeah, if this was a suck contest, the Jets definitely suck better than
Starting point is 00:32:40 the Giants. They do. Way better. way better. The Bears beat the Saints. The Colts beat the Chargers. Your Cowboys beat the commanders. The Packers beat the Cardinals. The 49ers beat the Falcons. Now, tonight and Monday night football, the Texas take on the Seahawks and the Buccaneers take on the lions. What's up, Mimi? The morning, Envy. Jess Chaldemaine, how y'all doing? Bless Black and highly favorite. How are you, Mimi? Good. Thank you. So this morning, we start this hour with a case out of Philadelphia that has been making national headlines. That's where police believe they may have found the body of a young
Starting point is 00:33:12 woman who's been missing for more than two weeks. A 23-year-old, Kata Scott, was last seen the night of October 4th, leaving her family's Germantown home to head to her overnight shift at a nursing home. She never made it home, and her car was later found parked outside her job, but there was no trace of her. Now, police say Scott had told family she was being harassed through her phone, and within days, investigators identified 23-year-old Keon King of Delaware as a suspect. Now, King surrendered to police last week and was charged with kidnapping.
Starting point is 00:33:42 but Scott is still missing. And then on Saturday, police announced a heartbreaking discovery. Human remains were found in a shallow grave behind an abandoned middle school, not far from where Scott disappeared. Now, the deputy commissioner John Stanford says officers were led to the site after receiving a very specific anonymous tip on Friday night. Now, the remains appear to be about a week old and have been sent to the medical examiner for identification.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Now, the community, they have been deeply passionate about this case searching daily. organizing on social media and at times yelling at police to do more when the remains were found many gathered at the scene frustrated and emotional saying officers should have done more faster and sooner to help locate her investigators say they are aware of the growing frustration and address the community's concerns let's listen to that listen i am not offended by the passion that you know some of the you know remarks that have been made as we're walking back i'm not offended at all because that's people's emotion and this is an emotional situation and so it's to be understood however i know what we have done um and in the the amount of hours that have been put
Starting point is 00:34:54 into this process of trying to locate miss scott yeah well police say the suspect in the case 23-year-old keon king could be tied to other killings and again police have not officially confirmed the identity of the remains only that they were found in the same area where miss scott disappeared and they have been focused on that area for about two weeks so we will continue to watch that case i i hate and despise humans like keon king like i really feel like you got to make examples out of people who do things like this man i mean you know i don't know what happened to this young lady the details of it but clearly she got you know killed and then you just disregard her body like it's nothing like you know what i mean like i just don't even understand how people like
Starting point is 00:35:36 that operate like me neither how do you do that and then just go get a sandwich out you know what saying like how exactly so we will continue to watch that he's already been found guilty of kidnapping her and so once the the medical examiner does their job and they come back with the results we will definitely bring those to you guys people like that people like that don't ever deserve peace man i hope that you know that young lady haunts him for the rest of his life absolutely so young too um all right well from tragedy in philadelphia to high drama overseas A story straight out of a movie unfolding at the Louvre in Paris. Now, French officials, they say a team of four thieves.
Starting point is 00:36:17 They pulled off a daring daytime heist at the Louvre Museum in Paris on Sunday, stealing royal jewels once worn by the Queen of France and other royal officials. Now, investigators say the group arrived with power tools, a crane lift, and a getaway plan straight out of a heist film. So they smash display cases from one of the museum's crown jewel galleries. They threatened guards. They sped off on scooters, dropping some of the stolen jewels along the way, including a crown that police later recovered nearby. Now, the seven-minute break-in, it happened just as the museum opened at 7.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:36:52 And officials say the thieves, they use a truck mounted crane to break in through the first window, first floor window. And they believe the group had scoped out the site long before the robbery. Before fleeing, they reportedly tried to set the crane on fire to destroy evidence. Now, the stolen collection, what they got away with, includes necklaces, earrings, tiaras, once worn by members of the French royal courts, treasures that officials describe as priceless. No one was hurt, but the museum was evacuated and closed for the rest of the day. And to put this in context, the Louvre is home to the Mona Lisa and some of the world's most valuable art. I don't understand. I mean, they've tried before.
Starting point is 00:37:29 The security should be top-notch. Like, there's no way that anybody should be stealing those jewels and some of those pieces, them artifacts that they have in there. That doesn't even seem right now. That's crazy. Oh, congratulations to those guys, man. I mean, that's impressive for real. That's a whole little mini-series right there. It's definitely a miniseries.
Starting point is 00:37:46 If I would have continued stealing, I'd have probably been on that level by now. That's crazy. They're smart. For them to get that off in broad daylight? I mean, come on now. Sometimes you got to let people get away with things just based off the degree of difficulty.
Starting point is 00:38:00 You know what do you do with it? Because you can't sell it. Who can't? He played it. Who can't? On the black market. Black market. Man, listen, they'll find that fast.
Starting point is 00:38:10 They ain't get rich off of that stuff. Trust me. They smart enough to steal it. They got a plan. They probably got to buy it ready. They probably got to buy it ready. They thought this all the way through. You know, I mean, listen, I don't believe in stealing.
Starting point is 00:38:22 But when they do steal and it's impressive at this level, you got to give it up. Sometimes you just got to give a little round of applause. Like, wow. That was impressive, guys. I wish I thought it at, you know, like, damn. All right, y'all, well, that's it. Mimi's like, what? She'll be like, I'm not to happen for that.
Starting point is 00:38:39 I mean, it is impressive, but you know, we go, it's still wrong. So we go see what happens. It's definitely wrong. It's definitely wrong. So we'll see what happens with that. They said that there are cameras all over and so they expect an arrest soon.
Starting point is 00:38:53 So we shall see, you know, and we'll continue to bring that to you. So that is your front page news. I'm Mimi Brown. Follow me at Mimi Brown TV. And for more stories, follow the Black Information Network. Download the free IHeart Radio app or visit B-I-N-News.com.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Thank you, Mimi. All right. Now, when we come back, Gucci-Man will be joining him. When we come back, Gucci-Man will be joining us, him and his wife, Kishayor, so don't move.
Starting point is 00:39:18 It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody, is D.J.N.V. Jess Alarious. Sholomey Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. Lawlerosa is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. We got Gucci, Maine. And his wife, Kishayo.
Starting point is 00:39:35 How y'all feeling? Y'all look amazing. Thank you. New book out episodes? Yes. Man, I thoroughly enjoyed your book, Gucci, man. Because, you know, we give people props when we were younger for being real. A lot of things that we say is real is like when somebody gangster,
Starting point is 00:39:54 with somebody, you know, we call them tough. But to me, the most realest thing you can do is you get older, just be vulnerable. You know what I mean? And go on a journey of healing and share that journey with people. And you definitely did that in this book. Thank you. I appreciate that. I always see you talking about.
Starting point is 00:40:05 about mental health when I've been listening to y'all and you are always championing mental health you know what I'm saying so that's my I said make sure y'all get that book to charlemagne before I come up there absolutely I knew you was going to read it absolutely yeah so what got you to the point where you said this is the time to share the story because most people would say like you know I don't want to share that story it might be embarrassing it might make me look this way but you were open and completely open about it what got you to that point was like this is the time when I had episode in like 2019 or 2020 around COVID and that was just like after that I was like, man, I got to really just hold myself accountable and take care of my health.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I don't never want to have an episode again. I'm like, I'm going to see a therapist. If I had to take medicine, I just, I kind of like, through the child and, like, you know, what I need to do to get better. I just never want to have that happen again. And then my wife was pregnant with my little boy, and I'm like, I don't never want to raise a family. And then my mental help gone with if I have an episode, I can't come back from.
Starting point is 00:40:58 You know what I'm saying? So I just like starting to do the work and like start seeking the help. And Keish, I'm glad you here. Because we always have conversations about the people who have to deal with the individuals with the mental health issues. Nope. It feels like nobody ever speaks to y'all. It's tough. What made you not run?
Starting point is 00:41:17 Because you could have ran. You could have been like, I'm out. Now, this ain't for me. But you stood 10 toes down and said, I'm going. I experienced him going through episodes before we were married. And I was like, man, somebody got to help this guy. It was really, really bad. It's really sad because you're seeing someone you don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:35 know they're saying things to you that are disrespectful so mean and you have to just like but i'm not talking to Gucci who is this person right so i felt like if i left he wouldn't have been the same he needed someone to help him and then when we were supposed to get married someone said to me you know you're going to have to deal with this through your marriage right and i'm like i'm cool with it i'm going to fix him you know how heavy was that for you though because the fixing isn't like an overnight thing no i saw Gucci you did a big facts and you were talking about how one time you said to him I should record this so that you can see because he wouldn't even remember some of the things he was doing but it would like you'd be like
Starting point is 00:42:13 oh my god like what's happening right now yeah how heavy was it in the process of trying to help him get better it was one point I had to just go on my knees and pray because it's like he's like I don't like you I mean the things he would say are really really bad and I just have to like take a deep breath like I said I'm not talking to you right now you want to sit here and be crazy alone, I'm not going to allow you to be crazy alone. Yeah. So, like, I have to, like, set a plan up. Like, at one point, I called his attorney.
Starting point is 00:42:41 I called some body guards, and I just planned a whole kidnap, and we kidnapped him and took him to the hospital because we could not get him to the hospital. And he was trying to fight them and everything, but it was six of them. He couldn't handle it. And we threw him in the car. He would try to jump out of the car. So we put him in the center of the car, you know? And that was, like, his last episode.
Starting point is 00:43:00 No, that's a 5150, right? That's what they call it? When you go to the, like, yeah. Yeah, but they try to do things where he could sign himself out, and I'm like, he's not signed, like, I'm stern with them. He's not signing himself out. I'm his wife, and I'm his power of attorney. He ain't going nowhere.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Like, I have to be strict. It's kind of like you have to go in mother mode, you know, and put your foot down. Were you ever scared? I wasn't never scared he would hurt me. People were scared for me, but it's a scary moment. Because I asked her that, well, she's scared. And she was like, I'm not scared of you. I tell him all the time doing it.
Starting point is 00:43:33 I'm not scared of you. So we're going to figure this out. Like, I have to get gangster with him because he, and I'm like, all right, we're going to see. Let's do this. You know? In the ice cream fever dreams chapter, Goose, you said that the only, you said when you need help, the only person you can rely on is yourself. Yes. Why did you feel that way in that moment?
Starting point is 00:43:54 Because that's how I felt, especially with, like, you really, the only person you can do it. Like, you got to do the work yourself. you know what I'm saying if you want to like really get better people can want it for you but you still got to want it more than they do you know what I'm saying you got to want you got to do the work you got to live with it you know what I'm saying so that's probably why I said that the reason I ask is because you start the book off talking about Big Scar and you know you and you and Keisha definitely helped Big Scar in that moment when he was having an episode yes I mean you did help somebody no I was trying my best to say Scar I was trying my best to say Scott and
Starting point is 00:44:25 like even he was a big inspiration for the book as well but But what was like, when I reached out to my co-writer Kathy on writing the book, I was telling her about, you know, like, how I helped Scott. And, you know, my wife was talking to me, but she was on, like, I wouldn't even let Scott know that she was telling me the stuff to tell him. Like, while we writing the book, like discussing the book and just going over how we're going to make it, Scott died. So I hear her like, you know, Scott and passed away.
Starting point is 00:44:50 It was all, it went for him being the inspiration. Before I can he finish the book, he passed away. So that was just super deep. And it made me like, I got to do this. I got to even be more vulnerable because I'm, I'm going to. to help people that I don't even know because I was trying to help somebody who was so close to me. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:45:04 And I didn't even, and I didn't succeed. You know, when you break down in the book, that September 13 episode, right? Yeah. And you said you don't even remember a lot of the things that you said. Did you have to go back and say, you know what? Let me fix some of those situations. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:18 And who did you call first to say, let me fix that? Because we were on air that morning. And we just remember, it's like, damn, Gucci is just going crazy on everybody. And the sad thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the sad thing about it. is for media press is like that's gold at first like oh this that
Starting point is 00:45:33 the other day when you sit back and look at it but like damn maybe we shouldn't have went that hard and promoted because we can see now he was going through episode so the first question is you explained that in the book about the media's role in that yeah but just to answer envy I was super embarrassed and hurt by the things I said because like I wasn't well
Starting point is 00:45:49 then right so then I got locked up so a lot of those people who I was saying stuff too they were like I ain't up they never gonna mess with me no more so even when I got out three years later I still was like I apologize to Ross Drake Nicky
Starting point is 00:46:02 like all them people accept to my apologies they just don't know it's like a weight off my shoulders because I had me like because I was wrong like Ross hadn't did nothing
Starting point is 00:46:09 but help me you know what I'm saying and I said something about him Birdman did all this stuff for me why would I say something about him so I felt bad
Starting point is 00:46:16 you know what I'm saying I felt terribly bad and it was just even it was like it was super heavy on me you know what I'm saying so I apologize to everybody
Starting point is 00:46:24 everybody that would accept my apology I apologize Everybody who would accept my call, I apologize to. You just think anybody who I was dissing, I apologize to. When you see artists doing that now, do you know exactly what they're going to? Yes. I do.
Starting point is 00:46:39 We were like, since that's going through episode, I can see it because I'd have been through it. And I'd be like, I'd be feeling sorry for them, you know what I'm saying? Because I see the media, they just go with it. Like, this person, like, mad or they being, you know, like, mean or whatever. But they'd be, like, going through something really mental. It'd be some mental help stuff going on. Do you reach out to any of those artists? I'm trying to think, did I reach out?
Starting point is 00:47:00 Now, I don't do a lot of reaching out because some of them, like, I feel like they wouldn't be accepting of it. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, you wouldn't be accepted at the point at that time. Yeah, you don't. You can't really talk to them like that.
Starting point is 00:47:10 But like my wife said, I wish I could talk to the people that know them to tell them how to help them. You know what I'm saying? I tried to reach out to Kim when Kanye was going through an episode. It bothered me so much, but I don't know her.
Starting point is 00:47:24 And I didn't want to feel like a groupie. Yeah. So I tried to send messages. to people. I never succeeded, but this was during their marriage. I'm like, damn, I want to talk to her so bad. Like, I can help you, but I never was successful. We talked about that on aired out the day because she sat down
Starting point is 00:47:37 and called her daddy and talked about what it was like on the inside, but also trying to protect their public image and the way she thought people would look at her if she decided to leave. For you, what was it like, I mean, because I was talking about Kim, what was it like just trying to protect the business that
Starting point is 00:47:53 you guys have built while I have a system. I take his apps off his phone first thing i do i delete instagram i delete everything even if i got to change his password i'm changing it because i don't need the public to know he's having an episode and now before the episodes come i catch it so that's why he hasn't had another one and how you catch that is he doesn't speak to you he wants to be left alone he don't eat he does not sleep text messages there's a period after each word and i'm like you're going through an episode you're sick no i'm not ain't not wrong with me. Why do you think that?
Starting point is 00:48:28 You're not speaking to me. Well, there's nothing to talk about. I said, well, that's not how you speak to your wife. And I'm like, you're sick and we snap out of it right then. Wow. Keisha, do you wish you were around when I look at Gucci? And if you really think about all the artists
Starting point is 00:48:44 that he has touched and could have signed, he could have been bigger than any label out there. If you go through him, we can go from Thug to Waka to the Migos to the list goes on and on and on. Do you think Yeah, Walker. Waka was signed. Yeah. Do you think if I was there, I could have helped them build that empire? Because he could have been, really, like, an Atlanta deaf jam.
Starting point is 00:49:02 A thousand percent. Even like we had this conversation many years ago, I said, Gucci, you just have to accept that you are not well and fix it. Just accept it. I said, people take Tylenol every day. Just take your medication every day. You'll be fine. Just accept that you're sick, fix it, and you'll be okay.
Starting point is 00:49:20 And absolutely, he had so many artists from back in the day. And because of this, you know, he, they re-sign. with other people or whatever the situation is and it pisses me off because none of them respects him. I don't or give him the credit like Gucci signed me. Gucci's the one that got me out to slum. Gucci's the one that changed my life.
Starting point is 00:49:38 None of them talks about that. Not one of them. Does that bother you? Because it's a lot of artists that are multi-platinum that are still selling records that you were the first person to give my opportunity to. We can name the list but the list goes on and on. I feel like I had to hold myself accountable. I got locked up. I missed up the opportunity. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:49:56 but I'm not saying that they don't have to pay me homage I appreciate it you know what I'm saying but it's like that's part of how I was raising just who I am I get fulfillment
Starting point is 00:50:03 out of helping artists you know what I'm saying I was reaching out to them trying to help them because I saw talent in them and not just southern artists no not just southern artists
Starting point is 00:50:11 DJs producers whatever that's just like who I am you know what I'm saying like I'm an open door studio I'm gonna bring people in I'm gonna work with up and coming
Starting point is 00:50:19 that's what I like to do you get what I'm saying if it didn't work out the way it did because I got locked up I got to say hey I got myself locked up you know I messed that up but since then I've been doing I've been doing well since I got out
Starting point is 00:50:30 I've been on those you know what I'm saying been a whole different everything been going good I always wondered did any of those artists reach out when you were locked up and said let me help no let me say this though keisha said nope let me say this it is still kind of like paying it forward because when I got out all those artists did come back and do songs with me you know what I'm saying but when you were down did they help they didn't they don't acknowledge him he's he he doesn't care or feel that way but from the outside looking in, they should acknowledge him, you know? I feel like Gucci gets looked at as a hip-hop pillar, though.
Starting point is 00:51:01 I feel like he's, I feel like he should. No, I feel like Gucci gets his just do as an iconic figure in hip-hop and all the artists he put on? No. What would you like to see, Keith? I would like them, all of them, to acknowledge him, even if they win an award, acknowledge him, because he gave you the stomping ground.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Most people don't know Nikki Minaj came out of that camp. French Montana came up. Yeah, all of them. Most people don't know half those people. We know, but most people don't know that. Migos, thugs, thugs, like most people don't know. Because they don't say it. You're right.
Starting point is 00:51:33 I love the chapter pills and potion, too. You said you feel guilty for making the song pills because you made a whole generation start getting high on pills. How do you rectify that guilt? I can live with it now because it's like it is where it is. You know what I'm saying? But back then, I know that I made a lot of people use drugs. I talked about drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs.
Starting point is 00:51:55 all through my music because that's what I was on back then. And I'm just like, damn, I know I made a whole bunch of people think Pills was cool. I know that for a fact. You know what I'm saying? And that ain't nothing. I'm just super proud of, you know. But what can I do? It's in the past now.
Starting point is 00:52:06 And at the same time, I was also a user too. So I was going through it with them. Yeah. Interesting about that chapter, too, you said that your whole team didn't like that song. They didn't. Because I'm sure some of them was on Pills, too. So what was it just? They didn't like the record.
Starting point is 00:52:21 When I first, like, when I had like one foot in, one foot out, a lot of my guys who were hustling, we used to think, I was, like, my crew of hustling buddies, they usually think, like, pills and stuff like, they were, like, jacket. They think, like, if you do coat, you like a jacket, you take pills, you're a junkie. They only was cool with smoking weed, even taking the drinking lane, they thought was some jacket stuff, right? So they really, they said, take away from the money. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, if you're doing, if you're taking pills, you're supposed to be selling the pills. So when I came out with pills, they went with that. They was like, bro, what you're
Starting point is 00:52:50 making a song about taking pills for? Then the song ended up blowing up. But there was like they did like that song. Yeah. When you did verses, right? What was your mind frame during verses? And Keisha, when he, you knew he was doing versus against somebody that was his arch enemy at the time, right? What was your mind frame?
Starting point is 00:53:08 Because you knew at any moment, it could have went back. Did you want him to do it? I told him not to. I said, you're not doing that. I said, I will pay you a million dollars not to do this. She told me that. I swear to God. She's like, I pay you a million dollars not to do the verses.
Starting point is 00:53:21 I'm like, I'm going to do the verses. So for people that don't know, how did that verses come about? And what was your mind to do the songs that you did in that moment? Because, I mean, I think everybody felt it watching and people that were, they were like, oh, this is going to end up nasty. Well, I'm trying to think. I heard, I seen an interview what Jesus was saying, like, if I do it verses, I want to do it with Gucci, right?
Starting point is 00:53:45 So after that, P. had hit me like, bro, you heard Jesus say he wanted to do a verse with you, would you do it? And I was like, I don't know if I'd do it. I don't know if I want to do no verse. I ain't really there yet. Then he came back like, bro, I think this will be big if you do it. So next thing, you know, Swiss and Larry Jackson
Starting point is 00:54:01 end up hearing me and we end up doing something going to do the verses, right? And my mind frame going into it was like it was I was excited about it, like because all the previous verses was so big. So I'm like, man, it's dope. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be big for me.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Everybody going to be like my catalog going to go up, people going just, so outlooking, I was excited about it. And actually, Jee Z said, he said here on Breakfast Club, if he wanted to do it with you, but you turned it down. I mean, to be honest, what you like, from what I hear, he did respectfully decline, which I respect, you know what I'm saying, no disrespect.
Starting point is 00:54:33 And, you know, I guess he looked at it, the way I looked at it, just like, yo, bro, like, there ain't nobody else they want to see us with. And for once, at least mentally, it can be about the music. And, you know, instead of it just being me and him and our personal feelings, like, now you got the world watching. So as a man, I wasn't going to. not do it because of what happened because that's what the platform is for
Starting point is 00:54:58 That's what that conversation was That was back in 2020 I don't think I turned it down I think I turned down doing versus period But I was open to do the versus When they finally like broke it down to me like okay It's the business about it All this good can come out of it
Starting point is 00:55:12 I'm like okay I'm gonna do it And Keisha you didn't want to do it because you knew he could potentially have an episode No I just don't trust it I don't know God forbid Gisi go say it wrong thing and and things pop off. I ain't got time. Where were you when he was doing it? I was pregnant at home. No, he didn't want me there. So you were watching it. My hands was wet, sweating. I'm nervous. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:55:35 Lord Jesus, help me with this. So what he did that song? What were you thinking when he did that song? What do you think did that song? Like, oh, my goodness. I'm just like this, like every, like any normal person. I'm in the bed watching it like everybody else scared. And Jesus, you said you were lucky that. I'm sorry, Jesus. Sorry, Gucci. You said that you were happy that GZ took the moment to kind of like kind of shift the energy of it. I was saying in hindsight I'm like I respect the way he did what he said you know what I'm saying and I you know what he said made sense you know what I'm saying but at that moment in the heat of the moment I was thinking like I'm happy he said that and he's the
Starting point is 00:56:11 moment I was just like man what is he talking about you know what I'm saying let's get on to what we're doing I ain't but when I look back on I'm like that was smart you know what I'm saying that was smart and it was deep. Did you speak before? Y'all did the verses personally? Oh, y'all did speak before here. How was that conversation? Was that the first time y'all spoke throughout the years?
Starting point is 00:56:30 Man, it was funny because we seen each on the airplane, right? He was sitting in my seat. Oh, God. It's crazy job ever. I ain't know told the story, right? He's sitting in my seat, right? So I'm like, damn, I don't even want to talk to him, but I got to tell this dude, get out of my seat. Hey, it's Ed Helms, and welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw-ups.
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Starting point is 01:01:17 But he's see who it is. He's like, well, I'm sitting in the same seat. Can you sit in my? I'm like, no, I can't sit in your seat. You just got to get up. That was the conversation we had prior. Damn. If anybody else, you probably would be like, God, go ahead and sit in the seat.
Starting point is 01:01:29 You got to get up. You got to get up. And he don't want to get up. I can't, because my pride won't let me say that you in my seat and I just, okay, I'm going to sit over here. Yeah. No, dog, get up. What was that? But his pride won't allow him to be like, man,
Starting point is 01:01:41 Gucci Man told me to get up and I did. Oh, he got up and moved. Yeah, that's funny because I remember 50 and Jaya said the first time they seen each other was on a flight. It's like you can't while out in there because you're going to jail. So you've got to be easy. But no, in your first book, you said y'all had dinner somewhere before. No, we met up at a restaurant.
Starting point is 01:02:02 So we had met before. But I'm saying this since I got out, that was like, we met at that restaurant way, way back. That was like 2010 or something like that. What is it like now? Like, have you guys spoken since versus and, you know, both you are so evolved at this point? I did an interview on Big Fats and I'm like,
Starting point is 01:02:18 it ain't really been no disrespect since then. Everybody, everything cool, but, you know. They're okay. We're okay. I saw you say that going to East Atlanta sometimes, like, triggers different episodes for you. And right, well, you could talk about that. Were you about to say something?
Starting point is 01:02:31 No, I'm saying it does trigger me going to East Atlanta. What, in writing this book, what other things from your upbringing did you realize, like, oh, that was one of the, my triggers are these episodes that I didn't even know like family stuff or just you know stuff from like young yeah like uh stuff with my mom triggers me uh we had like a screen relationship uh stuff from my youth triggered me you know old friendships you know that went sour um there's a lot of stuff can be triggers i can you know some songs even trigger me you know just
Starting point is 01:03:02 like like you said like i scrain relationships like even hands so icy i don't like hands so ice i don't like hands or ice. Wow. You know, it's kind of like a trigger. State scrub would be a trigger. You know what I'm saying? Hearing that like I got 10K on your body, like that was I said I probably couldn't have took that. You know, like that would trigger me. You don't do those songs anymore. I don't do them songs. What triggers you more? East Atlanta or, um, what is it? Burma, Burma, Alabama? Burma. Burma. Bessema. Bessema. I would say East Atlanta, but I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't know. Because it's like when you go down now, It's so, like, it's like, damn, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:03:40 It's like, damn, it's a tough place to grow up at. And when I go back there, it's like, it down to make me cry, just looking at the buildings and the, because you're from a small town. So, you know how it's, it's so small and rural and, like, you know, it's, it's no money down now. You know what I'm saying? So it just looked, it feels dark. Yeah, and East Atlanta, just dangerous. It's still dangerous.
Starting point is 01:04:01 It's always going to be dangerous. It just, when I go there, it just made me change. It made me, like, I just, I'm going to turn me to me. a different person like the corners the blocks just I just relive all the stuff I did on those blocks you know the people there it's just I try to stay stay away from triggers and you say even reading the book and seeing the effect that like systemic racism had on you like watching the KKK you know march march through your time is that still a trigger on it it is it is I still like hold some of that stuff in me you know what I'm saying that I sing when I was
Starting point is 01:04:35 young from best one. That's why I kept my label 10-17 because I'm like, I don't never want to forget. Even though I was raised in Atlanta, people I always associate me with Atlanta. I never want to forget, you know, the life I led there, and I never want to forget, like, my family there and what they going through. You said
Starting point is 01:04:51 during the big facts interview that the police, you feel like they still have it out for you in Atlanta. I feel like they did. Back when I first young, I feel like, because they used to do stuff, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would be, when I first had got out of jail, I would go places and the police would just run my name.
Starting point is 01:05:08 You know what I'm saying? And then I was on probation. So my probation, I was like, hey, did you go to such and such? Because the police ran your name. Like, they were just trying to see if I, they just, it's just too much. So what do you tell artists like your dogs and your little babies that probably feel the same way as you? Do you say, it might be time to get out of Atlanta? I told the baby that.
Starting point is 01:05:26 I've been told the baby, hey, man, you might be too big for the city. You might need to move. I know what I'm saying? I never got a chance to tell you. I thought that. But I definitely told baby that before. Because he used to be there, the baby used to be there just walking around like regular, like in grocery stores and everything. Because he's so comfortable there. I got the comfort there. Like even time I went, if I went in Atlanta and I have an episode, I go straight to my block because I know that block like the back of my hand. I'm always like, I always like, for me, it's like, it's too for me for me. You know what I'm saying? It's too for me. Sometimes something too for me for you, you got to get away from that because it's too much comfort there. It ain't no growth in comfort. I need to be where like I'm held accountable. You can get held accountable. You can get held accountable.
Starting point is 01:06:03 If I go to East Atlanta, lean coming, weed coming. All I got to do is just stand on the block. I want to ask you, Keisha, how do you define recovery? Because you're seeing them at his worse and now you're seeing them at its best. So how would you define recovery for somebody that is dealing with somebody who's trying to recover from their mental health issues? The first thing you need is medication. You cannot, it cannot go on medicated. And the quicker, the better.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Because once they're medicated, they usually get better in like two weeks. it's not it's not overnight it's literally like 14 days for them to be back to normal so for him like let's say he started his medication after an episode he started his medication today right three days later he'd be like oh my wife
Starting point is 01:06:47 you're so beautiful I could tell by his words that he's getting better and then tomorrow he might say and I'm like oh shit he's not better yet like I could just tell by his tone who do you talk to Keish like do you have a therapist No, I'm my own. I'm the therapist. He'll tell you, I'm like a real therapist. I know how to speak to him. You have to speak calm. You cannot scream. Sometimes you have to agree with what he's saying. Like he'll say, give me 500 grand. And I'm like, okay. I don't do it, but I say okay. Whatever he asks for, I say yes, but I don't do it. But you can't go against them. So he'll text somebody and cuss him out and I'll go back to his phone and I'll say, block him. He's having an episode. So I just, I just,
Starting point is 01:07:31 I'm just a clean-up lady. Listen, I got to say this. Remember, Julia Greenwald used to be the head of Atlanta. I had an episode and said so much bad stuff, Judith, I said, that when I came from an episode, I said, listen, Julie, from now on, if I text you anything crazy, block me for, block me. And call my wife. Don't call me for two days and call my wife because this episode coming,
Starting point is 01:07:52 because I ain't want to lose my position at the label going through an episode. And she's like, I'm like, if you see like the text is getting crazy, just block me. Because I don't want to say, I'm telling you, I start saying stuff so bad. It's like you can't come back from it. Guja, we've seen it before, Goose. But how do you protect your peace, though? Yeah. Like you.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Because there has to be times where you feel like the walls are just caving in because it's so much and it's so personal for you. Honestly, I, during the moment, I'm kind of like stressed out. I'm a prayer warrior. I just pray. And once he starts getting better, honestly, I'm okay. And he doesn't stay sick long. Like I said, it takes 14 days to get him back.
Starting point is 01:08:36 And after like day three, he's already coming to his senses. But those deep episodes won't happen ever again. We're in 25. So the last one was five years ago. He had a mild one coming maybe two years ago and I caught it. So now I catch them before they come. And like people be saying stuff about him like, oh, he's soft, he's this, he that. The madman is still there.
Starting point is 01:08:59 So I try my best. I don't want them to provoke him. Because it will come back. And he's very dangerous. So y'all, listen, please leave him alone. Because the Mad Max is still in the head. Yeah, when I saw a young thugs say that, I was just like, man, you know, thug is just young.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Yeah, they don't understand. Gucci ain't soft. He just grown. Yeah. He's grown. He's evolved. I thought it was hearing you talk about why you call young thugs so quick when he dropped the Miss My Dogs
Starting point is 01:09:26 because you understood with that apology, like you were there. I thought that was like really it was really great to hear what was y'all conversation like I didn't call him I just forget I'm saying I forgive him oh so y'all didn't actually talk oh wow so he found out you forgave him on that interview
Starting point is 01:09:40 he has he reached out to you this interview to be honest he was like he hit me like let's talk but I ain't really want to talk but I do forgive him I just didn't want to talk yeah I understand I'm the same way I can forgive you but at certain times I just just don't really in the moment
Starting point is 01:09:57 And that's wrong with that. Need a long time. Do you mind being the OG? And the reason I say that is, is you look at Atlanta, you see everything that Atlanta's going through. Gucci's that one person that can stop it all, I think,
Starting point is 01:10:09 because every artist in Atlanta respects you. Do you mind that label as the OG that can do that, or you just say, you know what? I like been an OG. I do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've been in the game 20 years now, so, like, I embrace that.
Starting point is 01:10:21 You know, I'm not the high artist trying to drop, you know, the hottest single every year and do how that. that, you know, I want to be the person that they can come to and talk to. Would you want to do that with everything that's going on in Atlanta? Yeah, I would.
Starting point is 01:10:34 I would. I feel like if they would come to me, but they don't want to come. I feel like people don't come to me for advice because it's like, even with my own artist, it's like a lot of them, you know, don't come to me because it's like talking to your dad.
Starting point is 01:10:45 I ain't got nothing but positive to say. I'm trying to lead by example. And I'm going to tell you like, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't, so they don't even want to talk to me. They would love to talk to old Gucci, but New Gucci, they don't want to talk to New Gucci, because New Goochee ain't really got that going on.
Starting point is 01:10:57 He'd go to sleep at 8.30. Like, you know, now. What emotional release did writing this book give you that music could? So I'm more proud of this book than I'm probably, like, in an album I ever put out, because, like, like, like, like you said, it's kind of, like, talking about stuff that I used to be kind of, like, had a stigma. You know what I'm saying? You got million to help.
Starting point is 01:11:16 You crazy. It's like, I used to be embarrassed about some of these situations, and I didn't used to want to talk about it. But now I'm confident in talking about it because I know that I can help somebody else. And it's like, I don't even. even feel, I don't feel no shame no more. And the conversations that you've been having recently, you know, have you begin to help people in that space where you're like,
Starting point is 01:11:35 yo, I did, like, everybody, people, I did a book signing in Atlanta. And a lot of folks are coming them to me saying, hey, you know, thank you for this book. I've been sober eight years. Or thank you for this book. You know, I got bipolar. Thank you for this book. My friend, you know what I said, be going through episodes.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Like, I was getting a lot of it. And it felt good to feel that love. You know what I'm saying? It really did. Are you still surprised about the love? I heard you say something. You were in Miami doing a book signing, and you were surprised about how many people came up to me
Starting point is 01:12:01 and asked for an autograph for your book. But then I'm thinking about it. I'm like, you just did South Carolina Cone coming. That was sold out. You just did this show that was sold out. I tell them that all the time. It's different. When they come up with that book, I don't know why,
Starting point is 01:12:14 but it's like the book signing, when they're saying, I bought your book, you know, I've been rocking with you since I was in junior high. You got me through college. Like, it just, the energy, it was like, it made me feel. I ain't felt that in a long time, you know, like touching the people, shaking their hand, taking a selfie with them. It's like, when you do that to about two, three hundred people and they're telling you that, you can't do nothing but feel good.
Starting point is 01:12:35 As I said, you're like a mythical figure to a whole generation. You got sexy red calling herself the female Gucci Man. South Carolina State, them kids asked for you. Like, I've seen the list. It was asking, I'm like, I don't even know who that is. It was about five. I'm like, I don't even know who these people are, but it was like, oh Gucci, man, I know Gucci. Like, they wanted you at South Carolina States.
Starting point is 01:12:55 How did that make you feel knowing the whole generation? No, that feel good. That feel good. When I go through this, I've been doing a lot of college, I do Norfolk State on Tuesday. But, like, every time I go to these colleges and there, like, the kids know all the words, you know what I'm saying? They're 19 years old.
Starting point is 01:13:08 It's like, bro, you still touching people 19 years old. They know these songs. They're singing songs that came out of 2005, 2006. How old are we out then? So that feel good. How do you feel, Keesha, when you see sexy red call itself the female Gucci? I love it. I love when younger artists pay homage to him.
Starting point is 01:13:25 like I'd be in the background like when people don't pay homage to him or treat him with respect I'd be mad he don't get mad or whatever but I watch everything online and I analyze it and if and anybody go against him I'm going against them too I was going to ask um does the book because you said you know seeing people come up to you with the book is like a great feeling for you does the book make you feel like a superhero versus like music didn't because we talk about like our OG like rappers being like superhero size which a lot of people I feel like they look at you that way. I'm super proud of being the author. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:13:59 I read a lot of books. I read people just don't know that about me. But I read a ton of books. You know what I'm saying? I probably read two, three books a month. You know what I'm saying? You're a big Michael Gladwell fan. Huge big Michael Gladwell fan.
Starting point is 01:14:12 You know what I'm saying? He just did a book, fringe of the tip of the point that I read, that I love, you know? But I'm proud of being an author because I love books. And so it's like, it's a different thing to be in a rapper. You know what I'm saying? I want to make some more books. I like being a proliferation. I'm trying to have more books than Charlemagne.
Starting point is 01:14:27 I think we're tired by now. Yeah, we're tired. I got three, yep, yep. I want to see Keith's write a book. I really do. Because I'm telling you that the people who have to deal with those of us with mental health issues don't tell their stories enough. Yeah. I think it's harder being me than him going through an episode because it's scary like, like we had a condo.
Starting point is 01:14:50 We were on like the penthouse and I'm like, is he going to jump? Is the voice going to tell him? to jump like that's the scary part not me being scared of him hurting me so like during episodes i make sure no one is around him with guns knives high buildings but he wouldn't leave that that's where i had to kidnap him from he would not leave there he wouldn't come to the house and i'm like i had to get like a babysitter for him because he hated me different episodes he hate different people that if you have an episode where he hates me that's a problem he hated me He wouldn't come home.
Starting point is 01:15:23 He got the damn balcony. And I'm like, is the voice going to tell him? I can't sleep at night. I have to, what is he doing now? Did he eat today? Like, I have to play games with his friends from Atlanta who he want to be with. And then I'm like, don't give him any weed. Throw it in the garbage.
Starting point is 01:15:37 They call me back. Oh, he needs weed. I gave him weed today. I said, no, you didn't. You know, like stuff like that. It's so, so, so stressful. Like, you want to cry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:47 And I cannot read that book. It's too sad. It's too much for me. I don't read it. I read probably like three pages and I had to quit. What about you, Gooch? When you got to relive all of those traumas?
Starting point is 01:16:02 That damn book almost put him in an episode. My autobiography almost made me cry and this book almost made me cry. That book was putting him through an episode that I called about day one. So revisiting the trauma? Yes, it puts him back. It does, I can't lie.
Starting point is 01:16:19 Especially the best man. Alabama part, it's like, damn, that takes me back down. You know, it's like, then I started thinking about, you know, when I was young, my granddad and my mom, like, damn, we was poor. Then I'm like, I don't think about that anymore. You know what I'm saying? That was like, I know we were poor, but it ain't like nothing I dwell
Starting point is 01:16:35 on when you go back to think about it. Like, damn, man, we're in a racist-ass-time, we're poor as hell, you know, staying with my granddad, me and my mom, my brother's like, we ain't have shit. Yeah. We ain't have a shit. So how do you protect yourself while are you visiting that trauma? And on a press run. Yeah, and how do you,
Starting point is 01:16:51 How do you protect him, Kishi? Well, the press run doesn't bother him. It's just like when he was writing the book because he has to keep saying these things over and over and over. And actually, this was my idea. I was like, you need to do a movie called Episodes and let people know what's going on. I said, I can tell you everything you've done through your episodes
Starting point is 01:17:09 because he doesn't remember. And I was telling him how to make the movie. And that's how we started with the book. Because she told me to make a movie. As soon as he had the episode, I was like, people need to see that. We all married the beautiful black woman, But I want Gucci, you tell me, how important is it to have a good woman, man?
Starting point is 01:17:24 It's the most important thing you can have. It's the best decision you can make. My best decision ever was to marry her and be with her. I got somebody to, you know, hold me accountable. And I got somebody, you know, watch TV with it. Sometimes that's all you want to do. Just sit down and chill, bro. I'm kind of like, I don't really need it a lot.
Starting point is 01:17:43 We just like best friends and we just home, just chilling. And everything we do, we have it in common. We like the same food, the same shows. We both boring. We like to travel, but we like to just go to the best. If you could redefine what it means to be real and hip-hop culture, what new code would you give this new generation? Oh, man, I let them know, like, they talk about their hood,
Starting point is 01:18:07 but the best hood is fatherhood. That's right. That's what I'm most proud of, you know what I'm saying? I love being called dad, you know, I love being a present dad. That's like, I didn't even know that it was so much joy raising kids that it is. But, you know what I'm saying? Raising the family has changed me.
Starting point is 01:18:25 It has changed me for the better. I just want to say the biggest thing that made me so happy is when you see Gucci talk about his kids, I don't know if you see the smile on his kids. Oh, my God, he's in love with them children. Oh, my God. He started smiling and started grinning. He's like, I can't wait to get back and get to my son's this.
Starting point is 01:18:40 Like, that is the biggest thing. If I just call him right now, he'll leave. I love it. Do you feel like a generational curse brinker? Yes. Yes. I know my little boy, he's going to inherit all this. He got so much, he's so turned up.
Starting point is 01:18:54 He'll trust for him, baby. Ain't no wrong with it. Ain't no wrong with it. No, he said it with a smile. He's not wrong with it. That's right. Man, go get episodes right now, man, the Diary of a Recovering Madman. There's some books that are good.
Starting point is 01:19:07 This is good, but it's also important, man. It is important. And my album out today, too, Shala, man. That's right. Episode, I didn't even get that album yet. I didn't even get the album. What you want to hear off the album? Voices.
Starting point is 01:19:15 Voices. It's Gucci, man, Kish Keio. Thank you so much for joining us. listen to the breakfast club in the morning when you worked out. I don't know if you still do, but you got to come back. I listen to you all, just, I listen to y'all every day before I go to the gym, and my favorite part is the positive note of the day. There we go.
Starting point is 01:19:28 No, Charlemagne, he loves that. He listens to all your positives. As soon as I'm going to the gym, we're on the gym, we listen to y'all, but he's like, the positive note of the day, hey, stop. Let me hear what he's saying. I appreciate that. That's what it is. All right, it's the breakfast club.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Come on. Man it. Damn, but he hog in? It's time for donkey of the day. I mean, he trying to be dunky the day. I ain't trying to be donkey today no more. They should be embarrassed by what they already did. I'm not making these people do these things.
Starting point is 01:19:54 Called donkey of the day, and it really caught me off guard. Damn, Solomon, who got the donkey of the day today? Well, just hilarious. Donkey Today from Monday, October 20th, goes to a 21-year-old Ohio man named Jonathan Morris. Jonathan is locked up right now because he decided to seek vengeance after being fired. How many people out there have been fired and wanted to seek revenge for said firing? Well, Jonathan Morris lived out your wildest dreams, and now his dumb ass is in jail for it. Let's go to Fox 19 now for the report, please.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Breaking this morning at the alert desk, a man is dead after a shooting outside this Taco Bell in Queensgate. This is video from that scene at the restaurant on guest street. Cincinnati police say they first got that call around midnight, saying someone shot an employee in the parking lot of that Taco Bell. When officers arrived, they declared the victim dead at the scene. We're told police did not make any arrests or find a weapon. Right now, they are currently investigating and finding surveillance video from the restaurant at this hour. Jonathan. Johnny. John, John, I shouldn't have to tell you
Starting point is 01:21:01 that this wasn't the way to handle any of this. Okay, look, we've all been fired in life. I've been fired seven times total. Four times from radio stations. The others were a cloven store that used to exist in a mall called Demo. I was fired from a warehouse called Industrial Acoustic Company. and I was fired by my sister from guess where? Taco Bell! Yes, my sister was the manager and she fired me rightfully so.
Starting point is 01:21:25 Okay, I was late. That's not funny. It is funny, but it is not. You know what I'm saying? I was fired rightfully so. I was late, not doing what I was supposed to be doing. It happens. But not once did I think about reacting to any of those firings
Starting point is 01:21:39 the way Jonathan Morris did, okay? I just don't understand the rapid escalation. You fired one day, then allegedly comming. commit murder the next. There had to be some type of serious mental breakdown. He had to have a problem with his manager prior because ain't no way. Jonathan, you're 21 years old. I can guarantee you that Taco Bell was not going to be where you peaked in life.
Starting point is 01:22:03 Okay? It just wasn't. You went to Taco Bell a day after being fired from there to kill the manager? I looked it up, man. Okay, Taco Bell in Ohio, pays an average of about $13.33 per hour. So you're about to spend the rest of your life in a maximum security prison for minimum wage? And the news report said the manager was just trying to help. That's what I read, okay?
Starting point is 01:22:27 I bet you the manager. And rest in peace to the manager, Ryan Johnson, sending, you know, his family healing energy. Ryan Johnson was just trying to help. He probably engaged Jonathan in conversation. He probably was making an effort to resolve something, probably trying to tell him like, bro, this ain't that serious, okay? You got fire from here. you got a whole life to live, but now he's dead because this young man simply couldn't handle his emotions.
Starting point is 01:22:52 Another permanent decision made from temporary feelings. Listen, I promise you, youngest, man. I know things be feeling like the end of the world when bad things happen. But if there's one thing that I have learned in my 47 years on this planet, is that trouble don't last always. Okay, this two shall pass.
Starting point is 01:23:09 And my brother, fast food is not a Fortune 500 company. Fortune 500 companies ain't worth you kill. nobody over but definitely fast food ain't okay i promise you that you could have gotten another fast food job if you wanted one okay you may have felt humiliated or wronged in the moment you might have felt like it was unfair you may have felt powerless but mcdonald's was right up the street okay so is a chick filet well you're definitely not nice enough to work with no chicken filet but there's a carles juniors i don't know if crystal is in ohio but my point is there was other fast food jobs to be got okay you can get another fast food job
Starting point is 01:23:45 But Ryan Johnson, sadly, can't get another life. Not here in this dimension anyway. And you, Jonathan, can't get back what you are about to lose, which is a life of freedom. Workplace conduct, plus emotional distress, plus access to firearms, can lead to irreversible tragedies like this one. Please give Jonathan Morris the biggest he-ha.
Starting point is 01:24:11 All that for a crunch rap supreme? That's crazy. All that for a jump, cheesy gordita crunch really what race what race what's his name his name was Jonathan Morris you won't see him
Starting point is 01:24:25 you know a race you know we don't know what race don't just assume okay Jonathan Morris that could be a same race y'all want to play a game I don't want to play a game I don't want to play a game no somebody died
Starting point is 01:24:38 I do I do have a question though just right what race y'all think he is though because I want to know I don't know how races y'all are you go for his name me black Okay, black. Why did y'all think that? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Yeah, I don't even. What race is he? I can't be too racist on his radio. He won't say. But let me ask you a question, Jess. Ask you all of me why he got fire from Taco Bell. Yeah, why did you just sit the fire? You said you was late, but why did you do it?
Starting point is 01:25:04 I mean, I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be doing. So he was late all the time? I don't remember. Sneak, don't learn. Only worked there for like two weeks. First of all, I don't be late here. Stop acting like I'd be late here all the goddamn time. I've been working in for 15 years.
Starting point is 01:25:14 My track record is very good. good. Okay. I've worked with people who were extremely late all the time. All right. Okay. My track record is very, very good. Okay. All right. All right. Well, now when we come back, you got a chance to chop it up with former president, former vice president, Kamala Harris. Yes. You know, Kamala Harris has an amazing book out called 107 days. If Democrats get out their feelings, I think it can, you know, help them to have some courage to tell the truth about their own party. All right. And I think that can help them, you know, moving into the future. But we were in Birmingham, Alabama on Friday, and we had a couple of conversations.
Starting point is 01:25:50 We had a 5 o'clock conversation and an 8 o'clock conversation. Both of them were different, so we're going to get pieces of both of them on for you this morning. All right. We'll get into that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Jess Hilaris. Sholomey and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Now, over the weekend, Cholomayne chopped it up with the birthday woman. Yeah, today's a day, girl. Today's a birthday, right?
Starting point is 01:26:15 So we was in Birmingham, Alabama, on Friday. You know, her book is out, 107 days. It's been number one on the New York Times best sellers list for weeks. And so, yeah, we had a couple of conversations. You know, we had a 5 o'clock conversations and an 8 o'clock conversation. So I don't know which one we're getting on for you this morning. It might be a combination of both. It is.
Starting point is 01:26:33 It's the Breakfast Club good morning. Well, you know, I loved 107 days. And the reason I loved 107 days is because I just love honesty, you know. And it felt like, you know, you got a lot. Hey, it's Ed Helms, and welcome back to Snafu, my podcast about history's greatest screw-ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu every single episode. 32 lost nuclear weapons. Wait, stop?
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Starting point is 01:31:18 Do you feel like the Democratic Party truly supported your leadership? Or were they just relieved you could steady the ship after Biden stepped aside? That's a big thing to say the Democratic Party. There was. Well, I, I write about it in the book. Yes, you do. I write about how I felt about people in the administration. The answer is no.
Starting point is 01:31:39 She don't feel like. But here's the thing. If we think about where we are now and moving forward, we've got to have the fight in us. And we have to understand that this is not a time for sitting around complaining about, oh, they're cheating. They're just not fair. They're not playing by the rules. We need to fight fire with fire.
Starting point is 01:32:03 There we go. We need to fight fire with fire. So when I look at where the Democratic Party is today, that's what I applaud. Those who are understanding that this is not a time to try and be the ones who are holding up the standard when they are stealing our lunch. We will not compromise our values or principles. These things can coexist where we have our principles and our values, but we will We know how to roll up our sleeves and throw a punch instead of just taking a punch.
Starting point is 01:32:41 Right. Now another thing I want to talk about, like we've all seen the clips of people interrupting you at these book events, right? Please, nobody do that tonight. All right. And it always makes me wonder if they've read the book, like the people who are in support of Palestine, have they actually read the book? Because in the book you call Biden's comments on Gaza inadequate and forced. What word would you use to describe the administration's role in that moment? I firmly believe we could have done more.
Starting point is 01:33:17 We had a certain level of leverage that we did not exercise, whether it was about what we did in terms of supplying support at what level. speaking publicly about what we knew to be wrong. I think we could have done more and and should have. Did you ever feel complicit in decisions? That's right. Did you ever feel complicit in decisions that went against your conscience? I, the people in the administration were very clear about how I felt. You, yeah. You wrote, you wrote that Netanyahu wanted Trump in the seat across from him, not you, not Joe.
Starting point is 01:34:06 So what do you think that says about how foreign leaders really view, you know, the current administration and the Biden administration? I think, and I, again, for the sake of repetition, I predicted it, and it's exactly what we're saying. I said on the debate stage, they, one, are laughing at us. if you look at it in the context of again a disgraceful speech that the president gave before the United Nations he did it when he was president the first time and again
Starting point is 01:34:44 it was disgraceful you look at it in terms of the whole flattery or favor he accepted a plane the president of the United States from a foreign government remember we all learned back in the day what is a Trojan horse some people might call it a jet plane I'd call it a Trojan horse
Starting point is 01:35:12 and let me tell you something I spent four years flying around the world on Air Force 2 and taking very important highly classified meetings with the Secretary of Defense Secretary of State generals and others in an environment on that plane that was highly protected for those classified conversations because you can only imagine how much foreign governments want to have access to
Starting point is 01:35:46 our classified information which we possess in the best interest of our national security and this man wants a big plane so bad because you know his plane is not that big that big that Trump plane, and he wants it so he can have it when he's out of office. They talk about giving it to the library. You know who's going to be flying around on that plane. And this is on top of, remember early on, they were using signal, Charlemagne, to plan out war plans. We would get ourselves out of bed in the middle of the night, all of us. wherever we were to go to what it was called what is called a skiff which is a secure
Starting point is 01:36:33 facility or go to the situation room to have those conversations these people are so lazy that they're sitting back texting each other about war plans and then so dumb to not know a reporter is in the tax chain with our national security interest at stake and if it weren't so incredibly harmful it would be the thing of a great comedy sketch
Starting point is 01:37:06 I will be in a future but it's and this is the thing about having people who don't fully appreciate the strength and power and therefore solemn
Starting point is 01:37:22 responsibility that comes with these positions that it is not about them it is about you. It is about us. It is about we the people. And that is what is so tragic. Put aside personalities. Put aside egos or lack thereof. The matters that we are discussing are of such a grave and important nature that to have people who do not understand that they possess the power in the public trust and to instead be concerned. of their personal entitlement is so incredibly dangerous to who we are as a country.
Starting point is 01:38:04 Save us. Well, let's save each other. We're here to save each other. Are you going to take time to enjoy yourself on your upcoming birthday? Oh, yeah. You know, I write about it. It's next week, right? My birthday's coming up.
Starting point is 01:38:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dove knows that this time, right? Because I know in the book, he kind of forgot last year. Yeah, so I'll tell a story about my birthday. I love my husband so much. I love my husband so much. I love my Dougie so much. But, yeah, that was not a good birthday last year.
Starting point is 01:38:39 It seems like you got triggered just now, just thinking about it. Okay, what happened was? So what had happened was this? So my birthday is October 20th. So we were, as you can imagine, knee, deep in the campaign. And Doug and I, Doug my husband and I, we had basically, you know, like so many of our family, we had, you know, split up to everybody being somewhere that we needed to be. And our teams had conspired so lovingly that he and I would end up in the same place the night of my birthday.
Starting point is 01:39:17 Yeah. So you're going to ask me, did Doug plan a dinner? No, I read the book. I know he didn't. He didn't. So then it came time for the birthday gift. I opened the gift. The gift was a necklace that was engraved. It was not October 20th.
Starting point is 01:39:47 It was the date of our anniversary. Because Doug had clearly thought he was going to get a two-for with that one gift. I need you to do better this year, Doug, okay? Boy, thank him, and he was so, and it was leading up to the World Series. And so we had, we had dinner, which I selected, and, and we had a little cupcake, and I blew out the candle, and I was done. And so I went to go take a bath because Ashley, during the, the campaign, and I highly suggest it for anybody who has a bathtub
Starting point is 01:40:29 that it is a really wonderful way to de-stress at the end of the day. With Epsom Salt. Yes, with Epsom Salt. With Epsom Salt, right. So I went to go take a bath. Doug was watching the baseball game. And then I realized in this hotel, and it was
Starting point is 01:40:46 a nice little suite they got us for that night. And the towels were on the other side of the bathroom. So of course, I'm Vice President running for president of the United States so I had my phone next to the bathtub and but first I just called out to my husband Dougie nothing then I went to Doug calling him out Doug nothing and then it's real serious when I go Douglas so I picked up the phone to call him he didn't answer
Starting point is 01:41:25 So then I FaceTime audio him Here's how he answered What's up? And that was it And so we got into it a little bit Rightfully so
Starting point is 01:41:49 But here's the thing about my husband And about that moment we all in our relationships, in whatever form you have, go through stressful moments and go through, you know, what life brings. There are joy and there is also stress. And my husband said to me at that moment, he looked at me and he just poured cold water on the heat of that moment.
Starting point is 01:42:16 And he looked at me and he said, we cannot turn on each other. And it was so, poignant and you know I tell a few stories like that about just what this was because Charlemagne in many ways I just I wanted to write this book to also just lift the hood on what happens behind the scenes in every way I think there's so much about I mean obviously the office of president is an it affects the entire globe and there's but there's so much about the process that's very opaque, that people, unless you've been personally involved at a very close level,
Starting point is 01:42:56 you don't really have a sense of. And I wanted to help people have a sense of it in a way that I hope helps people see where they could fit in or be involved or a part of it and feel a sense of understanding what it all involves so that we can all participate in an active way. You know, in the book you write about democracy being fragile, and we see that happening right now. Do you still believe the system can fix yourself? from the inside? No, not necessarily. It pains me to say that. When I decided to become a prosecutor,
Starting point is 01:43:31 I had to defend that decision with my family. They were not down with that decision, so many of them. And I said, look, why is it that we are always thinking that for systems that need change or reform, that we have to be on the outside on bended knee or trying to break down the door to get that improvement done. I said, shouldn't we also think about being on the inside of the system as a way to have an impact?
Starting point is 01:44:03 And I have believed that, and I've seen the benefit of that my entire career. But to be very candid, I perhaps naively thought the system would be stronger in this moment than it's been. and I think that without any question the destruction caused by this administration in this moment and the debris that will be left is going to require some serious work and it will need to be without nostalgia
Starting point is 01:44:39 about how things were knowing that there was a lot that was not working so well and there was a lot that was working well to be sure and the people inside these career people who have been there doing incredible God's work must be applauded always but the structure and the way we have designed
Starting point is 01:45:01 some of these systems has turned out to be quite flawed so the change that we want and the improvement that we're going to need some of it will be from inside the system but I think a lot of it is going to be because of the pressure that the people put to say this is how I want my government to work for me. I think that's and I think that perhaps in this moment of crisis
Starting point is 01:45:24 it is going to one of the maybe opportunities in this moment of severe crisis is that when we have to then start figuring out how we're going to deal with the debris and the cleanup that it gives us an opportunity to reimagine some of these systems to make them more effective and responsive to needs of the people. Well, if 107 days was your closure for one chapter, what's the new one you're ready to open? Are you going to be part of that cleanup? Are you going to be out there in the future? You know, it is my nature to serve. I'm not going to stop serving. But right now, my focus
Starting point is 01:46:03 is on winning, and so I'm going to be doing work on behalf of folks in the midterms. There are two important governor's races happening in the country right now, which is you're which we should focus on in New Jersey and Virginia. There's the local work that's happening, and that's going to be my focus. We have to win on everything, and it's about not only elections, but around this war on disinformation, and also just lifting up the ability of us as Americans to trust each other. There's a lot of work to be done, and I'm in it, and I'm here for the fight. All right, that was Charlemagne's conversation with former Vice President Kamala Harris.
Starting point is 01:46:47 Now, when we come back, we got the latest with Lauren, so don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Happy, happy, happy Monday. You're not happy to be alive, man. God is good. What's wrong with you all right? My name is all the BS in life.
Starting point is 01:47:03 Life is great. God is good. No, God is great. Life is good. God is great. Everything is great. It really is, though. It is.
Starting point is 01:47:10 Of course it is. And let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight fat She gets them from somebody that knows somebody She gets the details I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything She'd be having the latest on this The latest with Lauren La Rosa
Starting point is 01:47:28 Sometimes you have facts Sometimes she have details Sometimes she have a little bit everything Well it's the latest On the breakfast club Talk to me All right so Stephen A Smith is talking more About LeBron James
Starting point is 01:47:40 He sat down with the guys over at the pivot and he talked about LeBron James and he says LeBron James doesn't go at white people the same way he does black analysts. I'll take a listen.
Starting point is 01:47:50 You ever see LeBron go out to white boy? It's called what it is. You see him come at me. Close as you ever came to see him do something like that when he called out of Brian White Boy. You ever seen him go to White Boy?
Starting point is 01:48:01 I play it again. I'm sorry. You ever see the Broneng go out of the white boy? It's called what it is? You'll see him come at me. Close as you ever came to see him do something like that when he called out Brian Wenthorst. What you're calling out Brian Wenthorst for?
Starting point is 01:48:11 The man covered you since junior high school and has praised you repeatedly and you used the pat macafee situation to go at him and that's the only time you ever see lebron james you know really go at somebody white i'm gonna call it what it is when i did my monologue for 17 and a half 18 minutes the day after he decided to go on pat mackafie's show immediately after i was informed that we won't be hearing more from him about me that's what i thought because i got receipts i pride myself on being a fair-minded individual, being professional, but I'm also a proud black man. And I know not only what I've done, what I've tried to do for black men in our industry, I might have to call you out sometimes,
Starting point is 01:48:52 but you know why I'm calling you out? Because there's a whole bunch of other black people I got to look out for and they can't make the same average you just made because if they did, they were ruined their life. I need to use you as that example because I got a bigger vision. Yeah, he had some words. That's an interesting take. But what I would say, you know, bigger than going at I guess a white sports pundits like we've seen LeBron James be a voice for social justice you know in a racially divided country like we've seen him do that a lot we've seen him position himself
Starting point is 01:49:25 you know throughout his career as a leader on those type of issues and you know somebody of his stature don't have to speak out against a lot of the things that LeBron has spoken out against so I mean you know saying he went up he never went at a white sports pundit I don't know that's even true or not, but I've seen him stand up against white supremacy. Yeah, but I think it's a different line. Yeah, we see the wrong stand up for a lot of social rights, but a lot of, yeah, a lot of people do feel like when it comes to not, I said,ish. No, you said it. No, you said it. I thought you said it. I thought you said it too. Oh, my bad. You said it. I need you to shut out. I am. Police. But no, I mean, no, no, LeBron has used his platform to speak on.
Starting point is 01:50:09 political and socialists. He's done things like, you know, mobilized black voters. He's fought against voter suppression. He did that in response, you know, to the death of George Floyd. I've seen LeBron James stand up and speak on issues, especially
Starting point is 01:50:25 in regards to race, and he doesn't have to at his level. Yes. I like that more than going at, you know, a white sports. But I guess he's saying if you're going to go at me, go at everybody the same. I guess that's Stephen A. Smith's point. I'm just saying both, they're not created equal.
Starting point is 01:50:40 I don't know if he's ever got. Brian Winhorse is the example that I would use because that's the latest one that's in my mind. I don't know historically. I'm sure he's probably clapped at Skip Bellis. I don't know. I really do not know.
Starting point is 01:50:51 But I'm just saying standing up for social justice issues and standing up for your racing regards and stuff like that is bigger than me. And it's a lot more to lose doing that than it is going at a sports anchor. That's all I'm saying. So I don't know what Stephen A was trying to get at
Starting point is 01:51:07 with that. Gotcha. you that commentator was the shut up and dribble i mean he didn't like go at her but the whole remember the whole shut up and dribble thing too like i'm sure he he has some things to say about that but that's why the lady the lady told him that because of the stands he takes for his on race issues and social justice issues it was a george floyd that was a george floyd that i don't remember what that was for i just remember that's why they told him to shut up and dribble that's why well elsewhere in the interview um steven a does say that to nvety your point that
Starting point is 01:51:35 you know he there was a lot of times where he didn't speak on And LeBronie and LeBron, he actually, like, clap for them because he felt like LeBron was getting what he deserved because he does so much for the league. But I think he feels like, you took your time to come for me and everybody else. But, I mean, the Stephen A. Smith, too. So if you're going to come for somebody, you want to go where the voice is like, everybody listens to Stephen A. So I kind of understand that as well. But he also talked about the Serena Williams, Alexis O'Hanian moment as well. He says if he was in the studio, it would have went down different.
Starting point is 01:52:03 Let's take a listen to that. Let's go to that. Alexis O'hani and Serena Williams' husband. It would have been an entirely different situation if I were in studio. Don't think for one second that I'm going to let some petty spat getting away of my money. All I was saying was, as men, if I'm married and my wife got the energy and the fervor to show up on Super Bowl Sunday and go out on stage specifically to dance off of a song that's disrespecting her ex. My question would be, what's that energy about? That's all I was saying.
Starting point is 01:52:35 I was speaking generically. He clearly took it differently And to his face I would have said to him What I just said to y'all And I would say But that you took it differently I own that
Starting point is 01:52:45 And I apologize you Because I meant no disrespect Right But I wasn't gonna make a big deal of it But if I was face to face And he had come at me that way I would have simply said Sir, I didn't mean it that way
Starting point is 01:52:54 But do you really want me to take it there? Now you got to go back Alexis Now you got to go back Lexus you got to go back Because I want to see Let this die No you don't want to see it It's even working on.
Starting point is 01:53:07 No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. You're not doing it. Who don't want to see? Well. I want to see. He's not going to have that same energy.
Starting point is 01:53:16 We don't. He didn't even have the full energy through YouTube. Who not going to have the same energy? Alexis. What's his name? Alex, what's name? You don't think Alexis has the same energy? No, he's not going to have the same energy.
Starting point is 01:53:27 Well, it ain't on Alexis now. The ball is in Stephen A's caught. Stephen A is the one that got to keep the same energy after that. Oh, he is. It isn't even the fact that whether Alex is going to have an energy Alexis. Oh, oh, my bad. He said his friends call him Alexi.
Starting point is 01:53:39 Alexis, like Alexis. Right, exactly. It's not even the fact whether he going to have the energy or not. It's the fact that will he have the same energy to y'all. Is his energy going to be good enough for y'all? Because it wasn't good enough for y'all when he came up there and said something to him. No, that's not true. Alexis would have said exactly what he said to Stephen 8.
Starting point is 01:53:58 Mm-hmm. To face to face? I'm giving them 10 out of 10. The problem is not what he said. Is this that he didn't say it to his face? I thought I made that perfectly clear. That's exactly what I said. I thought he should have been more direct.
Starting point is 01:54:08 Okay. I was going to say someone of y'all said that he was a second. No, I didn't like the Zoom thing. I didn't like the Zoom thing. You're going to be talking about, you know, a relationship and marriages. I learned how do we expect for this? I was kind of confused. Now, that was a flex.
Starting point is 01:54:21 Staying lane. I thought it was a mic drive to me. For me, it's just about to face-to-face interact. That's right. But now, the ball is in Stephen A's court. Okay. Because I need to see which how Stephen A is going to react face-to-face. I just need to see it.
Starting point is 01:54:33 I just need to see it. I just need to see it. But I want to say one last thing. The reason I always give LeBron James props for what he does in social justice and standing up for racial issues is because of the fact that Michael Jordan were always criticized for not doing that, you know, because he didn't want to lose endorsements or didn't want to lose fans. LeBron don't seem to care about that. They'll never seem to care about that. So I respect that more than just, you know, going at a white sports anchor. All right.
Starting point is 01:54:59 Stephen they were saying. Well, that is the latest with Laura. Yeah, you had another one. Yeah, it was good. J-Lo, y'all, y'all talking about back and forth. She didn't got her exes mad. She said she ain't been locked with him. Which one?
Starting point is 01:55:10 Early one. Damn, John is O'Conny. This is the one that was with her right before she did Selena. And this is the one that used to claim that because Diddy came around their relationship, their marriage ended. I would like the record to show that I never heard of this, man. All right. Well, O'jani, Noah. That is the latest with Warren, guys.
Starting point is 01:55:28 It's O'Jani. Thank you, when I think of J-Lo exes, he's never, I don't even know who this is. I don't even know until he said. That's because she was the first marriage. Like, to him from 97 and 98, they was only married for 11 months. She was married for a hot time. He only comes out every month.
Starting point is 01:55:38 He had a lot to say. Like, it was 11 years. Oh, so he liked Chris Humphreys. And Chris Humphreys was way more popping than him. Oh, my goodness. All right. Now, when we come back, we got the people's choice mix.
Starting point is 01:55:47 Happy birthday Snoop Dog. We're going to play some Snoop in the mix. And of course, some Gucci because he was there early. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody is DJ NV. Just hilarious. Salamey and the Guy.
Starting point is 01:55:56 We are the Breakfast Club. Salute to Gucci, Maine for joining us this morning. Man, salute to Gucci. I'm not even joking when I say this. His new book, Episodes, Diary of a Recovering Madman is a very, very important book because there's not too many people, especially artists who are willing to admit
Starting point is 01:56:12 that they were clinically diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia. They had super drug addiction. He was on lean. He was on pills. Perkinsed, all of that stuff like that. And a lot of the irrational behavior we saw from them, the Twitter rants and the going at people, it was because of that.
Starting point is 01:56:28 Man, you know how great the work would be if so many other people would admit that for sure and the fact that he had a wife there to help him every step of the way she never left him alone that's right you know what I mean so salute the Keisha she she's really the hero in all of this because Gucci don't really have anybody else that close him if you get the book he'll explain to you why he don't really have a relationship with his mom god bless the day because mom's no longer here but i'm telling it's a really really good read yeah yeah she's the glue that held it all together so absolutely i love that all right why would you want anything other than a black woman
Starting point is 01:57:00 No disrespect to, you know, anybody who has something else other than a black woman. You know what I'm saying? No. Got a know what I'm saying? I'm all for love. Love is love. Love who you want to love. But why?
Starting point is 01:57:12 I just want to know why you would want. Yeah. You know, that's why? That's all. I just want to know why you would why. Fressy is a black man. You know what I'm saying? And I believe that, you know what?
Starting point is 01:57:23 Whatever. I don't even feel like explaining it. I just, I like black love. And watching Gucci and Keisha, seeing stunning and Mona Lea, Mona Leo, you know, thinking of me and my wife. That's right. Oh, yeah, if you got a black woman, even though he's Dominican. And then I'm, I'm black, but yes.
Starting point is 01:57:39 I don't know. Salute to Chris. Salute to Chris for having a black woman. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. For having a black woman. Hey, yo, this is a, I know. Now, Gucci said he listens to the positive note every morning.
Starting point is 01:57:57 So what you got this morning? Actually, the positive note comes from. from Gucci man because Gucci said something in his book in regards to getting help and he said you know the only person that can help you is yourself when you need it and I do believe that is absolutely the first step and this positive note comes from C Joy Bell C she once said the only person who can pull me down is myself and I'm not going to let myself pull me down anymore you heard what I just said the only person who can pull me down is myself and I'm not going to let myself pull me down anymore. Have a great day.
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