The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Cash Money Vs. No Limit Verzuz, Turk Responds To Birdman + 112, Case, Total & Ryan Holiday Interview

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, 112, Case, and Total talk about the 90s R&B generation, Biggie’s studio magic, and the power of cool vulnerability. Plus, author Ryan Holiday joins us to explain... why 'Wisdom Takes Work,' rounding out his Virtue book series. And Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to a parent who threatened an elementary school after their child was denied snack time, saying ‘I’ll air this place out.’ Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:48 Good morning, USA! Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, just hilarious. Good morning. Charlemagne, the God. Peace to the planet, it's Monday. Good morning how y'all feel out now. I feel blessed black and highly favored. Happy to be here another day to serve our beautiful listeners.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Good morning, man. How was everybody's weekend? Yes, how's your weekend? Just what you do? It was lit. I was out in Philly, the beautiful city of Philadelphia. I had a private dinner to go to. It was amazing.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Shout out to the W. in Philly. I'd never stayed at the W. in Philly, but it is lit. It is nice. My husband went shopping and everything. but the hospitality shown to us at the W was amazing. So shout out to Tony at the W. He's very cool.
Starting point is 00:03:33 I like him. And then, what else do we do? What else do we do? But now that's, all right, that's pretty much it. Yeah, Philly. Philly. Because I could spend all morning talking about my weekend in Philly. Yo, Philly is lit, yo.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I love Philly. Yes. Even though they beat my Giants, but we expected that. Oh, damn. I wasn't even focused on the football of everything. We expected that. They had a home game yesterday. Everybody, of course, Philly was.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Bigging up Philly, you know what I mean? But it was crazy getting out of Philly yesterday, though, because of the game. Well, salute to everybody that had a homecoming this past weekend, Hampton University's homecoming. I was there Friday. I know Howard had a homecoming. I know Norfolk State had a homecoming. I think Virginia State had a homecoming. But it was dope.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I ran into, I seen Wycliffe, Wycliffe performed. I seen Walee performed. Amazing. Satband, Computer, love. They performed. I seen Gucci, too. Gucci killed Hampton University. When I said he killed it, killed it.
Starting point is 00:04:26 So me and Gucci chopped it up for a little bit. You should talk about how the South Carolina State Bulldogs killed the Norfolk State Spartans, 51 to 20. That's what you should talk about, okay? Yeah, yeah, you should talk about that. How about you talk about that? Norfolk's not my school, sir. Now, you had on their jersey last week. I was rep.
Starting point is 00:04:41 What is it right? Nobody should be happy when DJ Envy comes to their school. This man had on a Norfolk State jersey this week reping hard. I was reping. I was reping. I was reping Michael Vick. Michael Vick is from the 7-5-7. He's a black coach doing coaching at a H-B-CU.
Starting point is 00:04:58 South Carolina State. Got a black coach, and that's the HBCU. What's his name? What's his name? What's his name? At South Carolina State? Hold on. Let me look up my guy.
Starting point is 00:05:05 He got to Google it. You don't even know. I don't want to mispronounce it. Where that man's jersey? That's my man. That's my man. Hold on, Chinis Barry. Chinis.
Starting point is 00:05:14 I thought I just said Chinese. That's why I was glad I looked it up. Chinis Barry. Well, salute to them. Salute to them. So I seen everybody in Hampton University. went over to Norfolk because Lauren was actually hosting at Norfolk so I went over there with her
Starting point is 00:05:26 and she had an event with Lloyd I seen Lloyd and you know it's just great seeing a lot of these artists with catalogs as you forget how many records Lloyd had Lloyd Lloyd performed like eight nine records and they all smashed of course I forgot all about him so of course salute to Lloyd and then I went to my island of Dominica where my grandfather
Starting point is 00:05:42 is from where I'm right now of a sudden it's your island boy here yeah it is the way they made me feel man everything was woke Not Dominican is Dominica. And everybody who I ran into was like, please tell Charlemagne, Dominican Republic is not the same as Dominica. So we were at the Dominica Island, which is like the nature island.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So it's really untouched. So it's just beautiful. It's hiking. It's natural spas. It's all types of things. But this weekend, it was nothing but Creole Festival and reggae and Soca and Calypso. So they start party and they start performance at six. and they end at 8 a.m.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And then 8 a.m., everybody goes to the city, and then they party to, like, 2, 3. Then they sleep, and they do it again for 3 days straight. That's why I still got this outfit on because I just left the venue where everybody was performing, and everybody's there from Vibes Cartel to Spite, T.W. Savage, or everybody was there. So I see everybody that came.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I had a great, great time. It's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful island. And I'm enjoying myself. So I'm loving it. So I had a great weekend. I ain't going on front. I had an amazing weekend. This was fun.
Starting point is 00:06:52 This was fun. What about you, Charlotte? I've seen you was at South Carolina. Yeah, I was home. You know, University of South Carolina's homecoming. That's my wife's alma mater. And then Friday, we had a great conversation with the icon living, Don Staley, as well as the other icon living, Asia Wilson, man.
Starting point is 00:07:08 You know, I've done a lot of interviews in my life, you know, with a lot of great people, you know. But, you know, interviewing Don Staley and Asia Wilson in the arena that they made famous, the colonial life arena. and just thinking to myself like, damn, both of these women got statues, a block apart in the city of Columbia, South Carolina. That was an incredible interview.
Starting point is 00:07:27 And then we got our ass busted Saturday versus Alabama. There she did. But it's okay. All right. Well, let's get the show cracker. You know 21 Savage's mothers from Dominica? I know she was from her island.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Yeah, she's from Dominica and then she moved to London when he was and had him. Okay, I was going to say, who's from the UK? Yeah, no, she's from here, actually. Because everybody was telling me, it was like, you know, 21 Savage. There's root to it. I'm like, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:07:50 He's from him. He was like, no, his mother was actually, mother's from here. So I figured I learned that this weekend, too. But let's get the show cracking. Yeah, it's an amazing time. The resort, the hotel is just, they show me so much love. Nice. But today on the show, 112 case in total will be joining us. The Room 112 tour.
Starting point is 00:08:05 They're celebrating 30 years of 112's music. They're going on the road. We're going to chop it up with them. And we got front page news when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club. And it's Mariah the size his birthday. I thought they was going to start with the Burning Blue because it's Shorty birthday today. Morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Hey, it's DJNV, Jess Hilary, Sholomane the guy, we are the breakfast club. Let's get in some front page news. Start off quickly in sports, Major League Baseball. The World Series is going down if you don't know. The Dodgers versus the Blue Jays. The series is tied 1-1. Now, NFL, a lot to go through, some are going through them fast. The Ravens beat the Bears.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Bills beat the Panthers. Patriots beat the Browns. Buckinaires beat the Saints. The Broncos beat the Cowboys. Packers beat the Steelers. Coats beat the Titans. Eagles beat the Giants. The Texans beat the 49ers.
Starting point is 00:08:46 and the Jets finally won one of our producers. He finally has his Jets jersey. He bought his jersey eight weeks ago. I don't respect it. He finally got a chance to wear him. I don't respect it. They won it in seven now. And Monday night football.
Starting point is 00:08:59 But I don't respect the fact that you're just putting on your Jets jersey today, right? You're supposed to rep when they had a butthole. All right? When they was Owen, when they was Owen, whatever, you should have been rep it. I can't wear it after a loss. So, yeah, that's what you're supposed to wear. This might be my only chance of wearing a jersey. That's going to be your only time this year.
Starting point is 00:09:15 And they won by love. And in Monday night football, the commanders take on the chiefs at 815. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, M.V. Jess Salamane, how y'all doing this morning? Good morning, good. Good morning. All right, well, we start this morning on day 27 of the government shut down.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And the impact is being felt just about everywhere from the airports to the kitchen tables. Now, the FAA, they issued a ground stop at L.A.S. Sunday morning because of staffing shortages, forcing planes headed for Los Angeles to sit on the tarmac for nearly. two hours. Now, flights into Newark, Chicago, and Southwest Florida were also delayed part of a ripple effect spreading across the country. Now, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, he warned this weekend on Fox News that flight disruptions will likely get worse, especially as tomorrow marks the first full week without pay for air traffic controllers still working throughout the shutdown. Let's listen to that. Yeah, so they got their notice on Thursday and Friday. They get a notice of what they're going to be
Starting point is 00:10:16 paid on Tuesday, and they got a big fat zero. No paycheck is coming on Tuesday. And so I've been out talking to our air traffic controllers. And you can see the stress. These are people that oftentimes live paycheck to paycheck. They're concerned about gas in the car. They're concerned about child care and mortgages. And so I'm seeing the stress come for the controllers. Just yesterday, Maria, we had 22 staffing triggers. That's one of the highest that we've seen in the system since the shutdown began. And that's a sign. that the controllers are wearing thin. And again, they're taking second jobs.
Starting point is 00:10:50 They're out there looking, can I drive Uber? Can I find another source of income? Yeah. Yeah, people don't realize how ugly it's about to be, man. And you saw this weekend, too, the USDA said they can't use emergency funds for food stamps. So it can't use contingency funds to pay for food stamps during the government shutdown. And states won't be reimbursed if they cover the expenses on their own. So it's about to be ugly.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Yes, it is. Absolutely. And on top of that, the FAA, they're already short 3,000 air traffic controllers and many that are on the job without pay are already working mandatory overtime with six days a week without pay. And as you mentioned, Charlemagne, it is not just limited to the airports. The Department of Agriculture, they did just post yesterday that SNAP benefits will stop November 1st. And that's the program that helps about one and eight Americans put food on the table. So, you know, the White House, the White House Democrats, Republicans are pointing fingers at each other. Meanwhile, the American people are suffering.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Only day I can tell you, man, I'm an ambassador at the food bank in Harlem. You know, I do work with the Hope Center in Charleston, South Carolina as well. Find a food bank in your local neighborhood. And, you know, if you've got a couple extra dollars to donate to them, do it. Because a lot of these people who rely on snapping these other benefits, they're going to go hungry and they're going to be relying on food banks. You know, so please, please donate to your local food bank. Yeah, it's going to be nasty.
Starting point is 00:12:15 And the trickle effect is really good. going to hurt not just, you know, people eating, but people's businesses as well. Like, you think about it. Even we were at homecoming this weekend and I were talking to people and it was like they might not be able to afford to go back to school because a lot of the, you know, the military is what, you know, Hampton is based off of his military. And it was like a lot of people won't be able to do a lot of things. It's going to be nasty, man. Yeah, definitely a ripple effect. All right. And lastly, the Trump administration, they are sending election officials to monitor polling sites in California and New Jersey. That's coming up.
Starting point is 00:12:46 ahead of the November 4th special election. Now that that usual, that oversight isn't unusual, but this time is drawing attention because of what's on the ballot proposition 50 in California. That's the state's redistricting measure that could shift political power in Congress. Democrats call it a political intimidation tactic meant to discourage turnout,
Starting point is 00:13:05 but Republicans, they're saying, nope, it's just to monitor what's going on for transparency and ballot security. But we will see either way of federal elections being monitored, showing up at local polls is the latest reminder just how electrically charged this election season is becoming. So we will continue to watch that. And a familiar change is coming back around, coming up at 7, and not everyone as a fan will tell you what it is and why some people say it is time for it to go.
Starting point is 00:13:35 All right. And everybody else, get it off your chest, 800-585-105-105.1. How was your weekend? What did you do? Let's discuss. Get it off your chest. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:13:45 The Breakfast Club. Wake up, wake up With your ass This is your time to get it off your chest Whether you are mad or blessed We want to hear from you on the breakfast club Hello, who's this Yo, what's going on
Starting point is 00:14:02 This is your boy, Dingo, what's going on? Beez Dingo! What's up, Dingo? Where you been, brother? Man, just been trying to live life, brother You know, just trying to maintain and hold down the fort And trying to just survive, man With this government not helping the body out So I got to make it do on my own. But it's been good, though, man.
Starting point is 00:14:18 I'm blessed. Can't complain. You know, I'm happy. I'm blessed. I'm healthy. So really everything has been great, man. So I just wanted to check it. I'm always listening.
Starting point is 00:14:27 So, you know, I just wanted to call in and say, what's up to my people, man. It's been a minute. Hope you enjoyed your trip, Envy. Yeah, man, I'm still here now. I come back tomorrow. But, yeah, I definitely am enjoying it. I'm enjoying every last bit of this weather and this, this nature island. That's what's up.
Starting point is 00:14:43 That's what stuff. That's what stuff. Charlemagne, my boy. How you don't. man. I'm blessed black and highly favorite. How are you doing, King? Man, I can't even, like I said, can't complain, brother.
Starting point is 00:14:51 I'm just happy I'm still out here making it now. Reason why I wanted to call here, because Jeff's hilarious. Just hilarious, you're here, right? Yep. Oh, my God. Jeff. What's that, man? It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:03 This past week, Jess, you have been doing so great. We're coming into work on time. Oh, my God. I have been clocking it. You have been here every day on time. And I was so shocked. I'm like, dang, that's okay. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Yeah, girl, because you don't have to be there. I love you, bad. But you don't have to. Shut up, yo. Hey. Dang. Hey, I'm glad you're on here. There's love when you're out here, but I just want to say that, Jess.
Starting point is 00:15:33 I'm proud of you, girl. Keep coming to work on time. I love y'all. Shout out to, you know, all of y'all and all the listeners. And, you know, just want to spread some love this more than may. Y'all be blessed. Thank you, thank you, brother. Get it off your chest
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Starting point is 00:16:08 I'm with the coach of feeling Hey who's this This is Jay Call him all Hey, what's up, Mama? Go off your chest. Okay, so I work for the FAA, and I'm constantly hearing about how the air traffic controllers are working without pay.
Starting point is 00:16:23 I mean our secretary, Sean Duffy, to come and talk to the FSAs and talk to those who are working in the regional offices because we are working without pay. We are working to keep them now safe and efficient. So without the air traffic controllers, there's no air traffic control powers, and we build those. So our men are out, our men and women are out in the field, going from state to state airport to airport, radar site to radar site, working to make sure that the airspace is saying, we are working without pay. We are working without any news or any hope of power paying or rent, our mortgages, our children's tuition.
Starting point is 00:17:03 So it's not just the air traffic controllers. It's everybody in the FAA who's forced to work without pay. You do know, they know that, right? Like, they know y'all working without pay. They know we working without pay, but all we're hearing is it's not to control it. So it's making us feel that it's only one set of people that they're working because they're thinking about.
Starting point is 00:17:30 So I just need them to come and talk to those who are working in these, in the buildings and the offices. And just do a temperature check. Yeah, I agree with you. I just don't want you to ever think that they are not aware that they're not paying, y'all. They are fully aware that they are not paying the TSA and they're paying. And it's sad, man. It's so damn sad.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Like you said, it's mortgage, is your car notice, it's electric bill, is gas bill. It's your kids' tuition. And it's the holidays. That's what's going to complicate all of this even more. The fact that, you know, people got to think about, damn, is there going to be no holiday season? I'm not going to be able to buy my kids, nothing? Listen, we took a temper. to check in the office and in a few states with our co-workers.
Starting point is 00:18:14 We're not even thinking about Thanksgiving or Christmas. A lot of us already had conversations with our kids, and we told them, like, listen, it ain't going to be no Christmas this year. Like, I already canceled my Thanksgiving plans because it's like, it's no sight. You can't even see what you're about to do. So all that is canceled. Like, we're not even thinking about that right now. That's great.
Starting point is 00:18:35 That's a sad part. But, you know, it is what it is. That's why I'm doubling, tripling up on everything. I already usually do. You know what I mean? Resources to the food banks. You know, the turkey drives got to be, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:46 two and three times what they've been in previous years. Like, you know, whatever you've been doing for your community, especially in regards and stuff like that, you really got to triple up if you got the means.
Starting point is 00:18:55 And it's so crazy because when people do the turkey drives, right, sometimes, I don't want to say it gets boring, but people are like, oh, you're doing a turkey drive, but now this year, you see how much a turkey drive
Starting point is 00:19:04 will help? You see how much having those foods and those vegetables will help. Because people need to eat. Shut up, doing nothing ass up. How about that? How about you that don't never do nothing for your people? Shut the
Starting point is 00:19:14 hell up. All right? Absolutely. Hello, who's this? Hey, what's going on, Evie? What's up, Charming? Good morning, Jess. It's going on. Peace, Rick. Rick. What's up, brother? I'm good, man. You know, Evie, it's good to see you
Starting point is 00:19:26 in touch with your Caribbean roots. There's a lot of people in a hip-hop game that have Caribbean roots. And, you know, and we've contributed a lot to hip-hop. But I want to talk about this morning that, you know, Jamaica's about to get hit by Hurricane Melissa. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:19:42 And I got a lot of family of friends there, and they're saying it's going to be the biggest storm that's ever experienced. I was going to everybody to send
Starting point is 00:19:48 some love and light out there because Jamaica and the Caribbean has contributed so much to hip hop over the years. I mean, the notorious VIGs,
Starting point is 00:19:55 you know, Jamaican Roots Foxy Brown, Nicky Minaj, Buster Rhams, and I mean, DJ Evie, so everybody said
Starting point is 00:20:03 in love and light out of Jamaica because they need it right now. Not Jamaica, Dominica, but he meant the Caribbean Islands.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Yeah. I know. I mean, Caribbean roots, you know, Caribbean roots. And I mean, I want everybody to send some love and light out there right now because they're going to need it, you know what I mean? Yeah, Hurricane Melissa is category five right now. Yeah, they're saying Jamaica might be unrecognizable after this hurricane hit. So, yes, absolutely pray for Jamaica.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Pray for Cuba, pray for Haiti, Dominican Republic. Pray for all those places because it's, it could get nasty, man. So sad. Get it off your chest, 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent, you can hit us up. Now we got Lauren LaRosa. Lauren, what up? Hey, good morning. Hey, Envy.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Hey, guys, there was one of us that missed their flight because they drank too much. Guess which one it was? First of all, I made it to where I needed to go. One of us missed the flight. I was down to the time you made it. I made the next flight and I made it to where I needed to go. God is good. Good morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:20:57 You drink that much? No, it was just, my flight was at 6 a.m. And I didn't leave the party at Norfolk until like 3. We were banging on her door. I should have went right to the airport. We were doing all that. I didn't think about that. I literally should have went right to the airport.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I woke up the next day, like, yo, next time we're going straight to the airport. I left the club at 12. She left at 3. One thing that we never did was miss a flight. Nope. Okay? Yeah, that was a rookie mistake, yo. I was on that flight so upset.
Starting point is 00:21:23 But I made it and everything was fine. I flew in. I went from Norfolk to Philly on Saturday and I did a pinway at my church with tomorrow. Is you a church drunk? No, I was not drunk. I was very well fed and I was well-rested and I was good. Nice. But yeah, so I made it.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Thank you for trying to wake me up, though. It didn't work. Yeah, we tried. All right. Well, we got the ladies coming up. What are we talking about? We do. Speaking of things over the weekend, versus went down.
Starting point is 00:21:47 No limit, cash money. There is a lot to talk about the return of verses. All right. We'll get to that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Lauren becoming a straight fat.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Tell us. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets to detail. I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She'd be having the latest on this. She'd be having the latest on this. The latest with Lauren LaRosa Sometimes you have facts
Starting point is 00:22:13 Sometimes you have details Sometimes you have a little bit everything Well it's the latest On the breakfast club Talk to me So Versus went down in Vegas Over the weekend There are reports that there were over 30,000 people
Starting point is 00:22:25 In attendance for the complete complex con Which is where Versus went down at And Versus happened between cash money And no limit This was the return of Versus Now in attendance for cash money And if there's any names I miss And y'all saw somebody
Starting point is 00:22:39 I see call them out because there was a lot of people So Birdman, Manny Fresh, Juvenile, BG, Tamar Braxton, no Turk and no Little Wayne How you said Tamar Brackson? Like she was like she was over time. She was there. She was on the stage and she was helping out Burman, okay?
Starting point is 00:22:57 You said, she was on the floor Turk. That's crazy. No. You did? I said no. Turk wasn't there. I was named people that were there. I know the fact you said Tamar before Turk. Oh my God. Okay. And then in attendance for No Limit, you had, Matt. Massapid, Sok the Shocker, Mia X and Kelly Price, Chapa, and Mac. Anybody else? And Tamar was on the, yeah, she was on Cash Money.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Kelly Price. Kelly Price was there with Mia X holding her down. Feen was there? Anybody you saw that I did not see, you're welcome to mention. There was a lot of people. Romeo was there. Romeo was there. Romeo was front and center.
Starting point is 00:23:28 I'm sorry, Romeo, yes, he was there. Romeo, an original little soldier. And Snoop Dog popped out with No Limit as well. Surprise the crowd. Now, kicking off the verses, cash money kicked it all. with 400 degrees, let's take a listen. Jesus, straight out the gate. If I ain't a hot boy, then what do you call that?
Starting point is 00:23:46 And then No Limit returned their first song with No Limit Soldiers, let's take a listen. Because I'm the hardest mother effort. A lot of them songs, y'all, y'all know we can't say certain words in the radio. So a lot of songs, we just, you know, trying to... I don't even know how you score that. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't even know how you score that round.
Starting point is 00:24:03 How do you score 400 degrees versus No Limit Soldiers? That's a tie. That's a tie. I don't know how you score. I just They were both huge It's not about huge It's about cultural impact
Starting point is 00:24:14 They both had cultural impact No limit soldiers was big And 500 was big too They both had 400 I don't know I would say 400 Because I don't really resonate With the
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Starting point is 00:25:29 and on my new podcast here we go again we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask why does history keep repeating itself. You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style? And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early.
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Starting point is 00:26:49 My neighbor has been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals, and now my ceiling is collapsing. I try to report them, but things keep getting weirder. I think they may be part of a cult. Hold up, Sophia, a real-life cult? And what is a dirt ritual? No clue. But according to this person, contractors are tearing down the patio to find out what's going on with their ceiling and her neighbors are not happy. Well, she needs to report them ASAP. She did. And now they've been confronting her in really creepy ways all the time.
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Starting point is 00:28:35 But it's a different age, too. Because Nolan was the 90s. That's what people forget. That was like 90s. And I was born in 92, so I'm not even, you know what I'm saying. That's a different age group. That's what I'm saying. Well, so there was a lot of back and forth,
Starting point is 00:28:45 literally what you guys just did because, you know, they're going back and forth with the music. At one point, Burtman, you know, stopped and wanted to remind the crowd before he, you know, dropped his song that he started stunting. Let's take a listen. Fresh, can I say something, bro? I started this stunt.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I started this jury. I'm the first with diamonds in their teeth. I'm the first with tattoos in their face. I started this stunt. Let's get it. Let's get it. Everybody put your ones in the air, man. Push your motherfuck ones in the air.
Starting point is 00:29:17 You know me? I don't need an introduction. This shit. Robbing his own friend their own buttons. This on hanging wrist like it's just starting this. I'm on the top like a hot day. Birdman said that I thought to myself, oh, so you're the problem. You're the reason all these people got tattoos on their face
Starting point is 00:29:34 and spending all their money on jury. Well, it seemed like they was having fun the whole time. Yes, it was a lot of fun. And I had a friend on the ground for us because I wanted to know what the crowd was like. And he said, even in the, it was a party in the crowd. Like people going crazy, there were people there dressed in the fatigue.
Starting point is 00:29:50 So then Juvenon. It should have been in New Orleans, though. Las Vegas ain't deserved it. Definitely should have been. I thought the opposite. I felt like the crowd wasn't as hype because they didn't really know most of the songs
Starting point is 00:30:01 that didn't know the era. So he said that it was very, I mean, we kind of addressed this before it happened, though. He said it was very obvious what songs people knew. So like if a back that, you know, A-up comes, people are throwing it over. You can say, oh, I didn't know. Back that ass up comes on.
Starting point is 00:30:16 He said people throwing it over. They're dancing with each other. Songs that people knew you really felt, but yes, the age gap did matter a bit. I think they tried to do the best they could with the cameras as well. But he said that they had a good time. Now, Juvenile comes back in with a project chick
Starting point is 00:30:29 and no backchat the whole time Juvie is performing throughout the whole verses let's take a listen to Juvenile. Yo, that's how he performs all the time. I did a couple of shows with Juvenile over the years.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Yeah, like he, because you know they fuse the comedy shows with the, you know, hip-hop or whatever, but like, and nobody can outwrap Juvie.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Jury's still rap like back in the day. It is what it is. When the music go off, he's still going. But look, I want to mention even the entourage is like behind him.
Starting point is 00:30:54 There's a bunch of young niggas, man, he was just on the phone like texting. Like, they could have been hype. I'd have been putting the stage, that was not hype. Jaquoise was hype. You can't even see him.
Starting point is 00:31:03 You know what was Jaquoise in? I didn't even see him. I saw Jaquise and Juvenile son. They were, you know, they were hype. On a no limit side, I feel like they were all jumping and bouncing. Oh, yeah, the Mojee's. Yeah, they were like, yeah, I get what you say. You saw that, right?
Starting point is 00:31:15 Like, it was like, they was just on the stage texting. Now, we're going to have to bring this back in the next hour because as they closed out the verses, uh, Birdman gave a, uh, a speech of sorts that now Turk has responded to. I don't care about the drama. Listen, it was too short. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. It was way too short.
Starting point is 00:31:31 It was way too short. It was way too short. But before we get out of here, I wanted to play Mia X responding to a project chick with her with Freakow because we didn't play any of her. Oh, yeah. Dropping the clothes bombs for Mia. She was at work.
Starting point is 00:31:44 She was at work. They should have let Mia X get off. You don't want to go to war with a soldier. That would have been hard. They should have let her get off. I'll take you a man. That would have been hard. Mia was dope though.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Because Mia always was a show stealer, a song stealer with features. But they should have let her get off those two. record as well. I feel like a lot of people got to meet her because of this verses, too. There was a lot of people that didn't know how dope she was. I saw LeBron post about her too. There was a lot of people who got
Starting point is 00:32:11 to meet her through this. I remember when that, whatever that female list that came out this year, and I was like, one of the glaring omissions was me at X and everybody was like, I was crazy. It was too. It was me and X. Roddigger. Right, now I know why. Absolutely. Sure. Yeah. And I was introduced
Starting point is 00:32:25 to me through this. Through the verses. How you didn't play about it, about it? You played number No one's done it, but you ain't played about it, about it. Look, we got to pick and choose time here. We got more. We got 10 audios a day. It was a lot of music played at this verse. And it was too short.
Starting point is 00:32:37 It was too short. It was 10 rounds. Yeah, it got to the point where they could only pay like that. Between both of them? Yeah. Yeah, they could only play one verse from a certain songs at a certain point. Also, it's rules with the verses like that. Like, you can only play a verse from this song.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Well, this one was 10 and 10. They only allowed 10. I wonder why. I don't know. I don't know. I know that the clips had a performance after the verses. ended at Complexcom. My friends stayed for that as well.
Starting point is 00:33:02 So I don't know if maybe they were just trying to fit it into a certain time slot. But if so, they probably should have let them close out the night so they could have had a bit more time because it was, y'all feel like this was forced time-wise. Everybody was ready for this too. It was like, it was a lot of hype built.
Starting point is 00:33:15 You didn't get wobble, wobble, you ain't get how you do that. I mean, I know you probably couldn't play, but you should have played Mystical, the man right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Mystical, here I go. They didn't even touch Mystical. Was the mystical wasn't there. No, little Wayne, go DJ, Juvenile. I got that five. He didn't show up
Starting point is 00:33:30 and they played the one little Wayne song and people just stood around and people were like, where is Wayne? So like, baby what happened to that boy, Wayne, Hustler's music?
Starting point is 00:33:38 There's so much music they left on the table. Both sides left so much music on the table. Yes, yes. So we'll be back at the next hour. But yeah, it was great for what we got. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Well, that is the latest with Lauren. Now when we come back we got front page news with me and you so don't go anywhere it's the breakfast club. Good morning. Morning everybody is DJ NV.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Jess hilarious. Sholomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get back front page news. Quick sports if you're into Major League Baseball of the World Series is happening right now. The Dodgers won last night, 5-1-1,
Starting point is 00:34:07 they tied the series to 1-1. When is Kendrick coming out to perform not like us, man? When is that happening? Drake was at the game. I don't know if Kendrake's... No, Drake was at the game in Toronto. He ain't come to that game in L.A. No, he wouldn't do that one. He wouldn't do that. Now, in some quick sports, the Ravens beat the Bears,
Starting point is 00:34:22 the Bills beat the Panthers, Patriots, beat the the Browns, the Broncos' beat the Cowboys, the Packers beat the Steelers, the Colts beat the Titans, the Eagles beat the Giants, the Texaners, and congratulations to the Jets fans. You guys won your first game this year. They are now one in seven, one of our producers, and bought up Red.
Starting point is 00:34:40 He has his Jets jersey on. He bought it eight weeks ago, and this is the first time he wore it. Why, Red? I just don't understand why. Like, you got to rep your team at all times. Like, I saw a guy yesterday wearing a Jets T-shirt, and I felt sorry for him, but I was still happy that he was reping. You know, yesterday I had a Jets hoodie on in the first half,
Starting point is 00:34:55 and I saw how bad the game was going on. I turned it off. God, damn. And I saw the winner, like, oh, man, I finally wear my jersey. Now, tonight and Monday night football! The command is take on the chiefs at 815. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, NB.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Jeff Chaldemand. How y'all doing? Bless Black and Holly Favorite. How you doing, Mimi? Good, thank you. All right. So this morning, we start this hour with development of the Hurricane Melissa, now a powerful Category 5 storm-packing winds of 160 miles an hour.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Now, Melissa is expected to make landfall in Jamaica. early Tuesday before moving onward to Cuba. Jamaica, they are already seeing heavy rainfall at tropical storm conditions and forecasters warn of catastrophic flooding, landslides and destructive winds as the storm moves ashore. Mandatory evacuations are underway in low-line areas, airports are closed, and emergency shelters are open across the island. Cuba is also under hurricane warnings as officials there breaks for impact late Tuesday. And the storm, it has already taken a tragic toll in Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
Starting point is 00:36:00 In Haiti, landslides triggered by Melissa's rain have killed at least three people and damaged hundreds of homes. And then the Dominican Republic, flooding has cut off water to more than a half a million people and force evacuations as the storm barrels through Northern Caribbean. So we'll continue to watch this. So sad, man. Absolutely. And moving back here at home in Pennsylvania, where what was supposed to, be a weekend of celebration turned into tragedy at one of the nation's oldest HBCU's authorities say 25-year-old Joanne Jeffers of Delaware was killed in a shooting on the campus of Lincoln
Starting point is 00:36:36 University late Saturday night. Six others all between the ages of 20 to 25 were wounded but are expected to survive. Now the shooting broke out just after midnight during homecoming celebrations outside their international cultural center. Chester County District officials say the violence, they believe the violence was not planned, but erupted spontaneously. Let's listen to that. Investigators now are operating under the strong belief that there were multiple shooters at this event. We're operating under the belief that the shooter or shooters in this case did not come here with a specific design to cause a mass casualty event. And so we're treating this as a shooting that broke out in the middle of homecoming weekend. Well, one man, yeah, it is. One man,
Starting point is 00:37:22 Zqueas Thompson Morgan, also from Delaware. He has been arrested and charged with carrying a concealed firearm without a license. He's being held on $25,000 bail. Police haven't confirmed whether his gun was used in the shooting. Now, witnesses say it was a chaotic scene as crowds scattered in every direction. Let's listen to that. And then next thing you know, another stampy coming, but it was just like, run. Like, it was like more like you felt it in your, in your spirit.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Like something was not, something was happening that wasn't good. So I started running, and then the next thing I know, people getting shot. As soon as I walked here, and I heard like five gunshots. Five, five, five. This said somebody got shot in the head. We heard them in there. Everybody just started running. You know how people are.
Starting point is 00:38:04 Like, as soon as you hear them, it's nothing to do but think run. Yeah. So sad. You've ever been to a homecoming celebration. It's just like the crowds and just chaos. They said chaos erupted with people just running everywhere. Yeah, like you said, if you ever been a homecoming, especially HBCU homecoming, That's one of the safest places to go.
Starting point is 00:38:23 There's never, another reason to bring a weapon with you. Like, it's always love. It's always love and having a good time and celebrating school and school spirit and just catching up with friends. And sometimes homecomings don't just bring a lump, but it's never a place to bring a weapon. I've never felt unsafe at a homecoming. Ever, ever at all.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Well, officials are asking anyone with photos or videos to contact the FBI tip line classes at Lincoln University. They have been suspended today. And they say counseling services are being offered. And meanwhile, just a few hours away in D.C., another shooting taking place near the campus of Howard University. Police say five people were shot Friday night near the campus. Police say none of the victims were Howard students,
Starting point is 00:39:05 although one did, does attend Morgan State University. Two suspects are in custody, but authorities haven't released their names or said what led to that violence. That's crazy to salute to anybody that went to a HBCU homecoming this weekend. And condolences to anybody that lost somebody, man. I hate when you see something like a homecoming. And if you ever bring to an HBCU homecoming, you know what that love is.
Starting point is 00:39:26 You know what that love feels like, whether it's an 80-year-old alum to a, you know, a 19-year-old student. It's just so much great vibes and great feeling like you never want to see this. You never want to see that. Absolutely. You're right. All right. And so we talked about this earlier last week.
Starting point is 00:39:43 So while police paced together what happened overseas or there, overseas investigators are involving solving another. other type of crime. I'm talking about the one that we talked about with that jewel heist at the Louvre Museum. Well, this morning, two men are under arrest. A French prosecutors say the suspects were taken into custody Saturday night. One of them were caught trying to board a flight to Algeria. Now, both men are in their 30s. They were already known to police. Investigators say DNA evidence left at the scene helped identify one of them. Officials haven't said whether any of the stolen pieces worth an estimated $102 million have
Starting point is 00:40:19 been recovered. But we talked about this. The heist took less than eight minutes. They used a crane. They cut through glass, smashed display cases, and escaped with priceless crown jewels linked to France's royal family and the Napoleon Empire. France says that more than 100
Starting point is 00:40:35 investigators are working on the case and they're trying to figure out how they pulled off such a brazen attack. Experts say that the jewels are historically priceless but could still fetch millions on the black market if broken apart. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:40:51 All right. Well, also, lastly, today is my son Landon's birthday. He turns 12, so I just want to wish him a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Landon. Yes, thank you. How was your TED Talk this weekend too, Mimi? It was so amazing. Thank you, Shaldemand, for asking.
Starting point is 00:41:04 It was so amazing. Just being able to connect with the community in Al-Sadena and just be amongst so many people who are still rebuilding and just doing the work was so great. So thank you. It was a really great time. Is it up on YouTube? We can watch it?
Starting point is 00:41:18 Not yet. They said it's got to go through TED, and then Ted will put it up on their platform and all of that. So I will keep you guys posted on when it's on YouTube. Got you, right. Thank you, Mimi. Absolutely. That is your front page news. I'm Mimi Brown.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Follow me at Mimi Brown TV. For more stories, follow the Black Information Network and download the free IHeartRadio app or visit BINNews.com. Now, when we come back, Total Case, and 112 will be joining us. They're on tour together, and we're going to talk about their tour. I think it's the Room 112 tour. So we're going to talk about them and everything that they got coming up. We're going to talk about hip hop and music
Starting point is 00:41:52 and R&B history a little bit. So don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalameen de Guy.
Starting point is 00:42:04 We are the Breakfast Club. Long of Rose is here as well. We got some special guests in the building. Come on now. We have 112. We have Total. And we have Case. Welcome.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Welcome, welcome, welcome. Yeah, man. How are you all doing? This is not a random link up y'all going on tour together. That's right. This is the 112, room 112 30th anniversary tour. We're so excited. Brought our brother Case and our sisters total with us.
Starting point is 00:42:31 So, you know, have a good time, man. First, first show is when? November 5th. Yeah, November 12th. Yeah, November 12th, Stafford, Connecticut, Brooklyn is November 13th. So there's some members missing. So are the members going to be on tour?
Starting point is 00:42:46 or this is the tour? This is the tour. Okay. This is the tour. Okay. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. My other members is coming.
Starting point is 00:42:54 You by yourself, Jason. You can tell you. What made now the right time for all of y'all to come together for this tour? Ooh, that's a great question, bro. Honestly, man, it just felt right. It being 30 years, you know, us being in the game. So it just makes sense for us to just get out there and just show the fans that we really appreciate what they've been doing. You know, been rocking out with us for the last.
Starting point is 00:43:16 30 years, man. So, you know, we're really excited about it, man. Like, we're managed, total, and 112 were managed by the same, you know, crew. So, of course, that was an easy, you know, decision to make with that. And then, in case, you know, being, you know, the, that's the bro, you know what I mean? And all of us having that catalog is definitely, we want to bring back that 90 nostalgia, you feel me, so. Absolutely. And all y'all can still sing.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Thank you. Thank you. That's, you know, not everybody doing it, but y'all can still sing. That's important. That's good. Yes, man. How did y'all find that balance back in the day between? between being, like, sexy but strong, but still screeed with it.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Like, how did y'all find that balance? It was just natural. Like, that's just who we are. I grown up, Jersey, like, just how we went. And that's what made us to me. That's what made us who we were, total. The name started out as total opposites because we were all individuals in our own way, you know? So it wasn't like you had to buy the brand.
Starting point is 00:44:11 We came as we were. We were the brand, yeah. And how was the bad boy ever back then growing up, right? because it was a time 90s, 2000, it was nothing but bad boy in the radio, nothing but bad boy on the streets, mixtapes, the clubs. How was that everywhere?
Starting point is 00:44:26 It felt like anything y'all did hit. It was great. It's a beautiful thing. It was fun. That's what we learned a lot of our grind from that whole era, just grinding, just out there going to the tunnel. Like, it was just fun.
Starting point is 00:44:40 It was just like a big old party. Yep. Yeah, that tunnel they. Yeah, crazy, way. I was coming from Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was a different, it was like a different culture. So, you know, you can imagine how that felt. He's coming, I know he's from the South, South Carolina, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:44:56 So you're coming to New York. It was a culture shot. You know, so, you know, but it was so much fun because it was just like, okay, clubs smaller. But, you know what I mean? But it was like in your face. So, you know what I'm saying? So we, but we learn a lot musically here. What about the few cases now?
Starting point is 00:45:13 You weren't on bad boy. You were on deaf jim. You were a songwriter You had You have the I always say You have that one wedding song That you will get paid for
Starting point is 00:45:21 For the rest of your life Happily ever after Yeah yeah Yeah let's hope He said let's hope So how was it Coming up for you In that during that time
Starting point is 00:45:28 Because at that time You were deaf jam Def Jam was heavy hip hop And you was probably One of the only R&B singers At the time I mean it was It was cool for me
Starting point is 00:45:36 Except for The only problem What they was learning On the fly How to do R&B And so I get caught up And that sometime But yeah
Starting point is 00:45:43 I mean You know how big they were then. So that part was cool. It was just a lot of times, they had a lot of hip-hop sensibilities because it's hip-hop label. But one of the things that helped me was that I was the last artist that Russell personally signed a death chair. So I've always called him and be like, yo, I can snitch. Did you know their records was going to be so timeless, like touch me, tease me, happily ever as well? I didn't know, but that's what I always wanted to do. Like, I never wanted to make, like, trendy stuff. I always wanted to make music. Like, my parents
Starting point is 00:46:12 would listen to stuff from, like, 20, 30 years earlier. And it had me do it. And so my thing was like, if I could do that, then I'd be happy. And then everything else would fall in line. You worked with Mary J, Beyonce, Fawkeley Brown, Usher, Usher. Who else? There's a bunch of people. L.L. Ghost face.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Genuine, Tyrese. Yeah, Genuine, Tyrese. Jam and Lewis. I felt like Def Jam didn't treat you like a regular artist, right? With Total and 112, I would see them out in the club. Like, Bad Boy would have them out. deaf jim artists deaf jim would have them out i didn't see you deaf jim put you out as much like that was it because you didn't want to go out or it probably didn't know what to do with him because he was
Starting point is 00:46:50 r and b i think a lot of it yeah first of all i hate going out okay so if i didn't have to be there that's why you always be like yo he ain't a lot of stuff about you because i know how to yeah i'd be over here so yeah i mean i wasn't really big on going out or when i did it'd be i'd be somewhere else unless i had to be you know somewhere with with them got you Did you guys, well Mike, I saw you say that you feel like, you know, you guys first album, without that you don't think that R&B would be as prevalent or as worldwide as it is right now? So, yeah, the mind frame was we started that whole trend. It's like the way music sounds now, 112 had a lot to do with that because no one can really give us a group that did it the way that we did it before 112, like as far as singing over hip-hop beats and stuff like that. Like you are challenging, find me a group that did it because back in the day.
Starting point is 00:47:41 what you had the A side and you had the B side, right? And then on the B side, so the records, right? They had the record. You had the uptempo record where they were singing, but they were always all that singing over uptempo beats and stuff. It was like, it was confusing. One thing that Puff told us was like, when you're in the club, when you're recording a record, right,
Starting point is 00:48:00 sing the song as if you're in the club drinking and you're trying to hollet a girl. You ain't going to be in this girl talking about, you're going to, girl, I want to be with you. No one else You know what I mean It's gonna be something smooth So when we wrote records
Starting point is 00:48:16 When we wrote the uptumbo records And then slim having the voice Being able to just lay on the tracks The way that we did Like that started on hold everywhere People now like when you hear R&B It has a hip hop element to it as well It's not just R&B
Starting point is 00:48:29 It's a hip hop element But isn't that the bad boy formula It wasn't that Diddy Like I feel like Diddy did that Like with J. Blyzee I feel like he did that with Mary J. Blige I feel like he did that with Total I'll give you that
Starting point is 00:48:39 I'll give you Mary J. Blige because, yeah, she helped, because we always say that, like, Mary, it's between Mary and 112, but 112, really. And, yeah, Puff did, you know, he did contribute it because we came in, we just, man, we are and beat, we aren't beat,
Starting point is 00:48:50 bro, like, forget all this stuff, man, like hip hop, that's going to cheap our sound and all this stuff, and he's had the vision, was like, yo, this is what's going to separate y'all from the Drew Hills, from the jackets, from the, you know, the adjets and all these other groups
Starting point is 00:49:03 that were coming out at the same time. And you know what, that didn't make perfect sense, right? Instead all in, I would love to come up to me in a club. And let me tell you, what you want to do. Like, you're straight, just straight up. You got my attention, right, what you wanted?
Starting point is 00:49:15 You know what I'm saying? Exactly. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. Because nine times out of ten, they're going to be able to sing. So he's like, bro, all that in my ear, like, I don't want to hear all that. Yeah. Do you all agree with Mike's assessment?
Starting point is 00:49:26 Not to start any arguments here, but Case, do you agree with that? Yeah. I mean, it was part of it. I mean, during that area, that's when hip-hop and R&B was coming together. Yeah. So pretty much. And I feel like Bad Boy was at the forefront of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Yeah. Because Total was hip-hop with that touch of R&B. You're an R&B group, but I think we were more based hip-hop with the touch of R&B. And Mary definitely was the pioneer of that sound. When Puff did the remixes with Jodacy, because Jodacy was just the R&B, and then he brought the hip-hop element of them. Yeah, it goes-facing Ray Kwan on the freaking you remix, you know? Like, I can't even, I don't want to hear Can't You See without Biggie Puck.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Like, I hated when some of the urban A-C stations back in the day didn't play rap until they were just played the R&B. Oh, I hated that. They would do that with you all. Yeah, you got to play big the part. I mean, they did it. Yeah. That's so facts. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Really? Right. Yes, because they didn't want something. A lot of urban Athees didn't play the rap. That's true. Yeah, you got played a record. Wow. So how did y'all sign to Puff?
Starting point is 00:50:26 When did y'all meet Puff and Puff was like, this is the group that I want? How did that story? Because you, it's the first time you guys up with. We met Puffy through. Kathy Dukes. Kathy Dukes. Puff is what's her son's, it, what is her son's godfather. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:39 Kathy, one day, when we were introduced to Kathy, Kathy was like, I would love to represent y'all, manage y'all. So we were riding, ride, and Kathy was like, y'all got to always be ready, always be ready. So she pulls up, she goes upstairs, she's like, I'll be right back. She comes downstairs, and she was like, okay, I need y'all to make up a song and put Puffie's name in it. At the time, Puffy's Puffy.
Starting point is 00:51:01 He's actually in the studio with Jodacy doing the remix. So he comes downstairs, he introduces himself, and then we just start singing. We're performing. Yeah. We like, had them all backed up against the wall in elevator. He was looking at us like, he had his mouth open. He was like, how old are you?
Starting point is 00:51:18 He asked our ages, came upstairs. We watched him, you know, direct Jodacy. And then he asked us how well did we get along in the studio? Like if we had an argument, did we get back in the studio? And we were like, yeah. So he was like, okay. So he was like, yo, y'all, y'all sound really good. He was like, yo, I just encourage y'all to keep doing what y'all do.
Starting point is 00:51:39 doing, you know, don't let nobody break y'all up. Two o'clock that morning, he called Kathy. He was like, don't take them nowhere. I want to sign them. What was the first song that y'all did? What was the first one y'all recorded? Well, we recorded songs that never went anywhere because we were just trying to find our sound, but can't you, no, juicy.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Juicy, we're biggie. Juicy was the first record y'all did. Yeah. The story behind, how we wind up recording Juicy is, like, Big was like our little big brother. Like, we were close with Big. So we would frequently be in New York. york hanging out in the studio with him so he called this one day he was like come to the city we was in this he was in the studio so we went to the studio and he was playing juicy kisha started
Starting point is 00:52:18 humming something it was like y'all should go in there and put that down so he you know just gave us some words or whatever and we went in there and we put it down and puff had us come back the next day and do the one more chance song so that's how to start that they want one more chance in total i never knew well because it was or juicy i never knew that yeah there's an original one more chance. The one on the album is different from... The hip-flav version, yep. With the voicemail in the front. Yeah. We need to work on that. Juicy. It says
Starting point is 00:52:46 it now when you Google it, but I assume that it wasn't necessary supposed to been a feature for Biggie, because it was his first single and stuff like that, so... Yeah, and we were new. You know, we were new, I don't think... It was something that just happened. Like, we was in the studio, and we got in trouble. We were in trouble.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Our manager was like, don't do that no more. But I just think they didn't plan for it to be Biggie's first album to have a feature on it. Did y'all get writing credits for it? No, because Big wrote it. I mean, I didn't know y'all was on Juicy. Y'all one more chance. And we know those records verbatim. The one more chance
Starting point is 00:53:18 dirty version is like one of my favorite records ever. Wow. And can't you see? How did can't you see come together? We just came to the studio and the track was playing. And we were like, oh, snap. And then Terry
Starting point is 00:53:34 Robinson. What was the group that Terry was? The girls. She's so incredible as far as songwriting. And she came, she was like, this is what it is. Okay, verse, I like that verse. She liked that verse, like that verse. We went recorded it. And it was what it was.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Was Bigger on it? But no. No, Big wasn't on it. He was in the studio. And then he came in and laid it down. It's crazy. Wow. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Yeah. Did y'all enjoy the moment of the 90s? Because when I look at y'all, it's like, y'all are like mythical figures to me. Right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Because y'all have to find not just a genre, but like y'all would have a soundtrack to our lives. Did y'all really enjoy the moment?
Starting point is 00:54:17 Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. We had a lot. We have fun. We had fun. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Listen, when they said bad boy was in the building road, it was just, it was a different. I mean, we were on a high. I mean, you couldn't ask for a better label, you know, in a place to be. And especially, like, aspiring artists, when this is something that you dream of doing, to land on bad boy and I do we remember the time clearly when it bad boy was everywhere it was nothing to just walk in a club or walk anywhere and just get that love admiration and respect like it was wearing black leather they were in the world wearing black leather you know we wearing you know headbands everybody doing headband it was it was it was deepening the music
Starting point is 00:55:00 yeah it was a there's a full-bone culture family unit yeah yeah it was a movement and we loved each other. Yeah. And we still go in each other's sessions. We still do. We still do.
Starting point is 00:55:11 We still do. A lot of ways how the record got together. Like, um, like we tell the story of how we,
Starting point is 00:55:18 we're on bigs. Like, if you look at, listen to life after death, right? 112 is all like big. He shouts us out throughout that whole album.
Starting point is 00:55:26 That's because we were in the studio with him. Like so Daddy's house had the Neve, the SSL and the pre-production room, right? So 12 is in the pre-production room. Junior Mafia Big is all
Starting point is 00:55:36 in the, the need room, C's come out and it says, yo, Big one of hollet y'all. So we go in there from here up, weed smoke, right?
Starting point is 00:55:45 So we can't see when nobody's in. So we feel it around. So Big is just sitting there, right? And we use this out, we use the word genius. We throw the word genius out a lot,
Starting point is 00:55:54 but this is true definition of genius, right? So we're walking in. Big CS, CS, so, that's it. He says nothing else, right? So everybody else, Junior Mafia, they're moving around. Everybody's laughing.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Everybody's smoking. having a good time, everybody's drinking, you know, 12, we baked out of our minds because we don't smoke. Oh, y'all, you smoke. So we baked, right? So around two, three hours later, big's like, yo, I'm ready. And the engineer's like, ready for what?
Starting point is 00:56:20 So he, dude gets up, going to the booth and does, I got a story to tell. Wow. So the part, I'm my 112 CD Blas, like, because we were in the room with him. Wow. He's listening to everybody's story. He's listening to Junior Mafia, tell that story,
Starting point is 00:56:31 112, tell that story. And then he goes in that, doesn't write anything down. And that's what the genius is, like, we saw that first. Like this dude never wrote anything Him and Faith. Faith. Faith doesn't write anything down either. So Faith don't write anything down either. Faith don't write anything down.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Jesus. Yeah, Faith don't write anything down. We watched her do, you abandon me. Love don't live. We were at, what's the other studio, bro? I forget what is. Hit Factory. Yeah, she was a Hit Factory
Starting point is 00:56:58 doing that record with Mary J. Blatt. And she was just went in there and just did that whole thing without no. I'm like, yo, where the paper? She don't need no paper? with a marker and nothing like just singing from life that's crazy
Starting point is 00:57:11 big in faith the only two I've ever seen I got a story to tell just straight came to him he went after just hearing everybody's watching everybody tell their story like and he just created
Starting point is 00:57:21 Kaiser SoSafe yeah like that's so safe perfect bro he Kaiser Sosay the hell out of their record him and Jay Z the only people that do that oh yeah
Starting point is 00:57:30 Tia oh tip do that too yeah yeah tip don't write that thing down there that is a gift for sure
Starting point is 00:57:36 Back in the day, it's like R&B used to celebrate, like, love and heartbreak, but now, like, it feels transactional. Yeah. Right. What do y'all think made vulnerability cool back then? It was just a time period where, you know, where everything was going on in the world. We used music as our getaway. It was our medicine, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:57:54 Anybody remember the 90s, when we came to the club, when we came anywhere, everybody came to party, too dance. You know what I'm saying? You know, now you go into places. I don't know how it is too much here in New York. as much, but I know in Atlanta, everybody's staring at each other. It's everywhere now. Oh, they're on the phone, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:12 and it's like, it's a different type of a feel. So, you know, unless it's homecoming. If it's homecoming, Illinois, they're partying. That's true. But regular clubs is... But even when you say that, you know, the Illumina, it's us, and they're cranking
Starting point is 00:58:28 it up, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, yeah. Back then, R&B was kind of it was more hyperbolic, you know what I mean? It was, you know good damn Well, we're not climbing, no highest mountain swimming, no deeper sea, but we gave you there. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder.
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Starting point is 01:03:06 That's what I was about to say, too. I think the other thing that did it was hip hop became more hyperbolic. Definitely a good word for that. But when it merged with R&B so much, it became not cool to have feelings. But I guess that's how people felt. And then the strip club culture got involved when it's everything is that. And I always say that with everything that's going on in the world and people's lives, you gotta be able to sing about something more
Starting point is 01:03:32 the threesome's in the strip club there's something else going on you know what I'm saying and nobody really does that well I'm gonna say nobody but a lot of the music does have that no way don't have the feelings that don't have the vulnerability
Starting point is 01:03:41 like you said it's all trying to be rappers basically all the sing is trying to be rappers and a lot of it has technology but it's so crazy because even the rappers back then most of the rappers back then we loved them because they were vulnerable you love pot because he was vulnerable
Starting point is 01:03:55 you love big because he was vulnerable yeah how do y'all balance egos, you know, when you're dealing with three legendary acts who all had their individual moments You know? It's a respect level. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:08 You know what I mean? It's like, because I'm actually fans. Yeah. Actually fans. I love that. And I know it sounds cliche or whatever, but it's the truth. And, you know, we, so often we don't tell the truth, you know, we get
Starting point is 01:04:21 in this type of form or whatever, but we are genuinely, like, total was our first pick to be on this room 112 tour. Case was our first pick to be on this because case his catalog we just spoke about his catalog ridiculous total ridiculous one 12 ridiculous and we wanted to bring back that 90s nostalgia you know and just bring back that whole era of i knew where i was when i heard only you for the first sign you know i knew i was when i heard cupid when i heard i'm missing you or when i heard can't you see for the first
Starting point is 01:04:50 sound like i remember where i was when i heard these records not where i was to be where i was that ego is healthy on a tour, especially like this, because you have to, if you use it the right way. Like, for me, it's like, okay, I'm gonna try to kill everybody. They're gonna feel the same way, and then the fans the one that win, as opposed to people who just go up there, don't care. We know, like, I just got to
Starting point is 01:05:13 check. We come from that. Yeah, you got it. You got it. We come from that. Can we do our tour and be like, yo, total, 112 just killed y'all. And that's how you got to do it. That's how you got to do it. That's how you used to threaten us all the time. Friendly conversation. Yeah, and that's the best, because the only people that win
Starting point is 01:05:29 the fans. Was there ever a low time for y'all? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely was I think for us the resurgence of the 90s, you know, was something that was what we appreciated more than anything. And that happened about what maybe almost like six, seven years ago. Yeah, it was like what the pandemic
Starting point is 01:05:45 around that area. You didn't know when, you didn't know what the state of music and how the industry and how we were going to perform was going to be. Remember everybody started experimenting with the whole you know, taping, you know, and then in the video,
Starting point is 01:06:03 it was just, yeah, I thought we were going to just, it's going to be that, you know. So, so much gratitude now to, you know what I mean, see it for where it is. And we feel like it's a blessing that of all the errors they chose to pick, they
Starting point is 01:06:19 picked the 90s. You know what I'm saying? So, thank you. You know, I would want to go back. Just to, I really want to experience it in New York. Like, oh, oh, man. Oh, man. You would have loved. That was crazy. I said that one time you laughed at me. Go back to time.
Starting point is 01:06:34 I don't remember that time. I just feel like the time that you guys were like the top, it was such a good time here. It doesn't seem real. Like when we hear the stories or like, yeah. You can just sit here and listen to y'all talk about just walking in the studio big. Biggie's just there and like, you know, I can't imagine being young and just being like on top. Yeah. Like in that time.
Starting point is 01:06:55 But you're working so hard that you don't even realize it. Right. even realized where it took us to step away from it, you know, and okay, we can use it as our downtime, you know, and say that that was a time for us to go back and look at it and say, man, we did more than just saying, you know, we contributed to a culture. Like, we, we are part of history, you know, we're part of it. So it's, that was amazing, it's looking at it now, being older, like you're looking at it now, because my kids now, they're going back and they Googling like, dad, y'all, y'all did pieces of the cream?
Starting point is 01:07:28 Look at the video, bro That's me That's you there You didn't already talk of that My kid No because I don't go around I don't go around Hey look at Mike for one time
Starting point is 01:07:37 You know I don't I don't do that You know I like They just They grew up as normal As I hoped I could Because I could teach them to be
Starting point is 01:07:46 Because it's such a mental It's strange That the industry takes Like it gives But it also takes I mean One of the things is You know
Starting point is 01:07:54 The lack of You know the mental Health that comes along you know what I'm saying with that because you're inundated with all of this you know you have to be perfect
Starting point is 01:08:04 every time you see you're out your face is always got to be right your clothes got to always be right oh man they don't fell off bro like I just came from the gym you know but I think the camera messed that up
Starting point is 01:08:16 the camera messed it up because when like the reason I asked me if he was out is I would see everybody out right I was a kid growing up so I would go to Grand's tomb and see y'all on a hundred twenty-fifth street right right I'd go to the ton
Starting point is 01:08:28 and see y'all in the tunnel and different things. And there was no VIP area. No, it was together. That's what it does. And it gave you a connection with the artist. But there was no phone, so it was no, I'm taking a picture. Right. There was no.
Starting point is 01:08:40 The only thing that you would possibly do if you want, and nobody went to La Coney, but you might ask for an autograph. But nobody wanted to come to the club and do that. So it gave you a, you enjoy the moment. And I feel like people are not enjoying the moment now. Yeah. I did that with our Beyonce's tour. And I'm like, I've never went live, ever went live on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:08:58 And I wasn't expecting this. Beyonce came out and she just started speaking. I'm on live. I'm like, I'm on live, y'all, this is B. And she started speaking. And I started crying. I was not expecting. I was like, okay, guys, I got to go.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Literally, I might have been filming for like 10 seconds. You've got to be in the moment because it's an experience. You know what I mean? Watching the back is not the same. No, it's not. I want to ask Keisha and Kima, back in the day, what made y'all decide to go up to the radio station and press, Wendy Williams, like, what did she say to y'all
Starting point is 01:09:29 that calls y'all and say, you know, we got to go see her. Were you there? No, hell no. Way before my time. No, it was way before my time. Okay. That was the 90s, right?
Starting point is 01:09:38 Yeah. Yeah. Were you there? Were you looking out of the window? Well, you know, and... She was playing with our money. She just was disrespectful. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:53 And we had already sent a warning. Yeah. And then she just kept. saying like first Wendy was just like oh y'all can't sing and then we came up we came up to the radio station we sang she was like oh we sang acapella and she was like oh y'all can sing
Starting point is 01:10:07 and it was that it was just like oh they're jersey and I hear that they can't pay rent and they can't pay their rent and stuff and we were like you know what enough is enough because at that time that's all she was doing it's like listen you know when we get these opportunities as black artists we got to uplift them and talk more about the
Starting point is 01:10:25 positivity that they do right instead of you give a moment a blitz of something that they did positive and then something that happened negative you're playing that all day so we were just like enough is enough Kim was like can we go up there
Starting point is 01:10:38 period because I didn't you know I know politically we would have been in trouble if we just went up there so we asked permission and he didn't say no he was like go ahead
Starting point is 01:10:49 I know I'm like Wendy what is that that you had to say and she was like no no no no talk that stuff right now and then her husband at the time security he had said something to our security like
Starting point is 01:11:02 come on man come on and she ran to the car she got in the car and stuck her middle finger out of the sunrolet and then we never heard no more from her no she just tells the story you said y'all sent her a warning was y'all the one that sent the fish no what fish? I don't really want she was a deaf chair
Starting point is 01:11:19 oh my boss a sent oh wow boss said that dead fish in the mail. Yeah, somebody said to a dead fish She sits with the fishes, yeah. She said that, she said that death. I was Boston did that.
Starting point is 01:11:32 God, let's a piece of you know that. I was on that gym. And it happened around the time when I just signed and I just met her. Shout out to her too. She passed a few years ago. But, yeah, I didn't even know about that. Wendy used to, I can't say nothing about Wendy
Starting point is 01:11:46 because she would find out stuff about me, but she would call me and be like, look, this was, I'm hearing. And she would send me the faxes. I don't know why she looked out for me. as she did, because somebody was dead on. Nah, I hope not a crush on me. But the reason I missed that era, though,
Starting point is 01:12:04 was because y'all was able to pull up on people. Now, the day, people just be in their basement behind the computer, talking crazy, you know what I'm saying? That's the worst. Internet thugs. Yeah. Got so many questions, I know you've got to go. I would appreciate.
Starting point is 01:12:18 I just got to ask one more. I'm sorry. No one else beat. Were y'all confused when y'all first heard that beat? No. No, because there was snares all over that place. Well, we did not know what was going to be put over it. Okay. Because that was Terry, once again, Terry Robinson.
Starting point is 01:12:34 It's like, how are you going to write over it is? That's what I said when I heard it. And when we heard it, we went crazy. It's one of my favorites. It hits so hard. The remix. If we could just get all of those acts on the stage one day, we're going to stay hopeful. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:52 Oh, that shit's crazy. It is. Well, that joke's crazy. All right. Well, thank you guys for joining. us. One 12 total. Love y'all. For having us.
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Starting point is 01:13:09 She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets to detail. I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She'd be having the latest on this. The latest with Lauren La Rosa. Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit everything.
Starting point is 01:13:24 What is the latest? On the breakfast club. All right, so there was a moment at the end of the verses with Cash Money No Limit where they were wrapping up and Mani Fresh gave Birdman and he tried to get Master P to come back on stage two, but Master P didn't come back out. They gave, you know, the CEO some time to just talk about how epic the night was. Let's take a listen to Birdman. This shit started with me and my brother Stunner in a little small-ass house and we knew
Starting point is 01:13:50 who was going to change the world and we changed the world. Cash money forever, you heard me? When I met blood, I was trying to do something different in the gang. I had started this young, trying to get some money and not be in the streets. I met BG. I met Wayne. I met Juvie. I met Turch.
Starting point is 01:14:12 Shout out to Turkey. You ain't here, but fuck you. We're going to f*** with you and we won't f*** with you. Don't go on script. We lost a lot of soldiers. Cash money ain't going to never die. Long as I'm alive, cash money ain't going to. going to never die.
Starting point is 01:14:26 Shout out to my NBA young boy. NBA risked. Who don't like it? We would all the bullshit. If you ain't with us, you know. Yeah. So that's how they close it out.
Starting point is 01:14:41 Now, Turk has since responded. And actually, Turk was hosting a watch party for the versus in Houston. And he was live on his YouTube channel. And then he did a follow-up video where he was talking directly to Birdman. Let's take a listen to Turk. Birdman. I didn't think you dissing me. none of that, but you did put a 10 on the one with it, you know what I'm saying? You said we
Starting point is 01:15:00 with you when we won't. That's all the way all the way wrong. Y'all can't with me when y'all won't, you know, y'all can't with the fans when y'all won't because at the end of the day, y'all not stopping my bag. I can't control what nobody else got going on, so I don't trip about that. You ain't going to see me going off. Nah. The fans are not getting what they're supposed to have. If it wasn't for the fans, none of us would be who we You put the bag up, but it wouldn't be no situation if it wasn't for us all putting down and doing what we do as a whole. Everybody contributed. I have accepted what it is.
Starting point is 01:15:39 When you spoke, you spoke for y'all. Turk is absolutely correct. You know what Turk said is true. It's all about the fans. And Turk, he also said something like the reason Wayne wasn't there was because Wayne said if all of them aren't there, he's not coming. Yeah. If that's the case, Birdman should have swallowed his pride and let Turk be there because. because nobody is bigger than the program.
Starting point is 01:15:57 And a lot of people were disappointed that Wayne wasn't there. And I saw people criticizing Wayne for not being there. But if Wayne is standing on the fact that I wasn't there because it's not all of us there, I respect it. And Turk is 100% right. Yeah. And he also, Turk also on this YouTube video, talked about the fact that, because he had said in an earlier lot, which is the one that you're talking about, Charlotte, that he felt like no limit one.
Starting point is 01:16:18 And people took that as like shade. But he explains it here. And he says that he feels like they won because of them being able to get together. listen. I feel like last night, man, the fans lost. A lot of people try to make things be about them. I read when the fans be, man, keep your head up. Do this. Keep going. We're rocking with you. That shit mean a lot to me. I went dead almost a decade in the penitentiary. And you know who stood down with me? It was my wife and my fans. People got to understand, bro, that if people lose, it's the fans, bro. I feel like no limit. No limit came and they did what they
Starting point is 01:16:55 needed to do for the fans and to me that's why they went you know they put their differences to the side for the fans yeah so i mean look hopefully maybe one day that'll happen they'll get it together because when i did see them in new orleans and they were all together it felt really really good and you could tell that they were all happy to be together including uh little wing um so yes that is people forget this is a celebration of music versus it's a battle but it's also a celebration of music and I think I'm a fan I would have loved to see them all together
Starting point is 01:17:26 and really performing all those songs together but that's why Turk but Turk said it's true it's all about the fans and that's that's why it's three big questions for me from verses why was it so short right because the fans definitely got jipped from that only being 10 rounds when it's usually 20 I want to know why wasn't Wayne there
Starting point is 01:17:42 officially is what Turk said true why wasn't in New Orleans yeah that we know because ComplexComp wasn't in New Orleans and and you said it's a celebration of music right so was not playing Mystical's music intentional because Mystical's music was a big part of no limit
Starting point is 01:17:56 and if it's just a celebration of music we should be able to play the music right? You know what he wasn't there to perform right? You know what I mean? It would have been odd just to play his music kind of when they played a movie and it was odd. Yeah it was very it was so weird it was crickets and people were like what it's happening right now
Starting point is 01:18:09 probably because a Millie didn't fit the vibe I'd have played Go DJ. I really you know what I'm saying? Go DJ would fit that vibe better than a Millie and Manny Fresh could have rocked out with that a little bit more because it's like they played it and they all just kind of took an intermission because they didn't have any other choice but too. But I'll get an answer to those questions.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Man, Mary is a bop, though. That's crazy. Anything Wayne is a bop. That's why, to me, I'm like, man, like, people would really, they really want to see all y'all together. It's like, it's history, but also it does feel like more of a celebration when you see them all united and on stage together. As we wrap really quick, I did want to shout out Brandy and Monica. They returned back to Chicago.
Starting point is 01:18:44 They were able to fully get through the tour this time. They brought Maya out on stage as well. Yeah, and that was everywhere. where as well too. But we have Brandy apologizing to the fans in Chicago for the last time when she had to leave the stage. That's take a listen. We love you guys from the bottom of our hearts. I just wanted to take a moment and apologize. I have to. I wasn't feeling well and I just, I just wanted to apologize and I'm so happy to be here. I'm never met to my step. y'all give it up one more time
Starting point is 01:19:23 for the bridge now is that a schedule stop or did they go back because she left early? I think they went back right because they were done their shows weren't they? No no no no the weekend that we covered was their first weekend. No no I'm saying that they were done in Chicago
Starting point is 01:19:38 oh yeah I mean I thought it was a scheduled show. Was that a schedule? Oh okay I thought it was a scheduled show and I know Maya coming out was a surprise but I thought that it was a scheduled show. I just thought it was nice that she took a moment and you know When Maya came on, we do have audio, but the crowd is going so crazy, you can barely hear Maya. That's good.
Starting point is 01:19:56 I mean, we could play it, but I don't know how well it's going to sound on air. But, yeah, it was a big moment for them. So shout out to them, you know, getting through this second stop. And great to see all the, you know, people on stage this weekend and doing what they love. Yeah, and the girls that I grew up to. I grew up to Maya, Brandy, Monica, Kelly. Like, hell yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:13 What is it for this hour of the latest. All righty. Thank you, Lauren. Now, we got donkey today, Shollam, who you give me your donkey, too? Man, you know, every day of our life. We say we wish it would when it comes to our children. Well, what happens when it actually does happen? Is it worth it?
Starting point is 01:20:26 We'll discuss for after the hour. All right. We'll get to that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. With a donkey. It's time the donkey of the day. A bunch of donkeys around here.
Starting point is 01:20:38 With the he-hop. Yes, you are a donkey. What the hell? What the hell is? What do you need you do? Some donkey the day's just saw themselves. Solomon, give it to him. Breakfast club one day.
Starting point is 01:20:54 Give it to him. Oh, man, Solomon, who you giving him going to do to now? Well, donkey of the day for Monday, October 27th goes to a 43-year-old David Scott Jr. Now, I get on this radio every day and tell you all to do your jail math, okay? Your jail math is when you find yourself in a situation, and you have to calculate whether or not you can afford to do whatever time you will have. have to do if you react a certain way to such situation, okay? Everything has to be calculated, all right?
Starting point is 01:21:26 The money you will spend on bail, if you even get one, the money you will spend on a lawyer. Can you even afford the time it will take to be arrested, process, detained, etc., etc.? You have to make all these calculations in your head before you make certain decisions. Now, some of us
Starting point is 01:21:42 have decided that if someone ever harms our kids in any way, we go into jail. And I too am in that number, okay? But what I need us, parents to understand is there is levels to reacting, okay? It's one to before you harm somebody being the highest, all right?
Starting point is 01:21:58 Our kids are worth it all, but everything doesn't require you to take it to one to ten. Okay, case and point, the story of David Scott Jr. from East Point, Michigan. He was arrested after he allegedly threatened the shoot-up in elementary school
Starting point is 01:22:13 because they was playing in his child's face. I can't make this kind of stuff up. Let's go to, what's the ABC 7 Detroit for the report, please. Police say a parent at Pleasant View Elementary School got so upset that his first grader didn't get snack time Wednesday that he made threats to staff members during child pickup. You allegedly confronted the teacher and stated words to the effect of, I'll air this out and I'll be back tomorrow. That suspect, 43-year-old David Scott Jr., shaking his head at the allegations in court Thursday for his arraignment. He pleaded not guilty and his bond set up 100.
Starting point is 01:22:50 $50,000 cash surety due to a criminal past. On Thursday, police added extra patrols to the area, and the school had only indoor recess as an additional precaution. But that child's mother tells me there's more to this story. Tikesha Watkins says their son has been coming home from school hungry for weeks. Overwhelmed by loud noises, sometimes he'll skip lunch, so snack time is sometimes the only time he has to eat. So he's been coming home hungry?
Starting point is 01:23:18 Hungry. But the school district told me there is. is no official snack time. While the mother wasn't there at Pickup Wednesday, she does not believe the allegations against Scott Jr. I mean, yes, we get upset as parents, and certain things could have been said, but I do not believe that that came out of his mouth.
Starting point is 01:23:35 Guess what racist? I got this one. Shut up. No. Okay. Oh, God. Okay. They'll act like they don't be appropriating our culture, too.
Starting point is 01:23:46 You don't know what the answer is. Okay. Now, I did look at it. up on urban dictionary though okay just to be sure and urban dictionary says airs this bitch out is a term used by gangsters are really mad hood people with guns okay the example urban dictionary uses is Jamal man F this I'm gonna air this bitch why Nita damn you right let me grab my nine it's safe to say that urban dictionary is ran by people who wouldn't be considered urban okay by the way
Starting point is 01:24:16 I hate the term urban but that site is clearly not ran by anyone from culture. Now, David Scott Jr. is saying he didn't say this. Okay. I don't know if he did or not. But whatever he said was enough to get him arrested. And I just want my brothers to know that we don't always have to take it there. Okay? Whatever there may be. And I
Starting point is 01:24:34 also understand that this is a lot of us brothers' first time being fathers and there is no manual for this thing. But this is why smart people learn from their own mistakes and wise people learn from the mistakes of others. We must learn from David Scott Jr., okay? You don't have to threaten the teacher. You don't have to
Starting point is 01:24:50 threaten to shoot up the school, none of that, all right. Calmly, calmly request a meeting, okay, request a meeting with the teacher or school administration to discuss your child not receiving a snack because when you're in this private setting, okay, emotions are less heightened, all right? The teacher in school can explain the snack policy are the fact that they may not have a snack policy.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Then both parties can find a solution. Okay, this approach reduces conflict. It opens up communication. And it's just always good to have a witness around So nobody can say you said something you didn't. Okay. Another thing you can do, just always feel free to gather information, all right? Policy review, all right?
Starting point is 01:25:29 That is very important. Sometimes we just assume wrongdoing, but maybe David should have checked to see if the school has an official snack policy. And then he would know that this child isn't actually missing snack time. They just don't, you know, have a snack policy, okay? But that's why you should always make a formal complaint. That's another thing that you could do, all right, write or submit a form. concern to the principal of school district all of these things are better than making uh alleged public threat okay because now you in jail away from your child and now you got to fight a case
Starting point is 01:26:03 all right money that could be going to your child's future is going to keeping you out of prison this brother was charged with possession of ammunition by a prohibited person okay that's a five-year felony all right our $5,000 fine he's also charged with an intentional threat to commit an act of violence at a school. That's a misdemeanor $1,000 fine. This orderly obscene conduct and he's a habitual offender because this is his fourth offense. Three previously committed crimes with drugs and weapons related and his bond is $150,000. Okay. So that's about $15,000 because you usually got to pay 10%. Calculate your jail math people. Calculate your jail math and always ask yourself, will it be worth it? Please give
Starting point is 01:26:48 David Scott, Jr., the biggest he-hoff. No game, huh? And this is also why you got to, you know, be like, you know what, baby, you go down there and handle it because if I go down there and handle it, I'm going to jail. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So you got to go turn to the baby mama and say, you go down there and handle it
Starting point is 01:27:08 because if I go down there and handle it, I'm going to jail. Some people are not lying when they say that. Yeah. Okay? Damn. All right. Well, thank you for that donkey today, sir. Now, when we come back, Ryan Holliday.
Starting point is 01:27:22 You said you didn't want to me. No, I don't want to. Why? Because it's, it's what, obvious? Yeah. What part? What part was obvious? That is out?
Starting point is 01:27:33 What part was obvious? You know, whatever. You know. Honestly, the whole story is the whole story. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't need to play. No need to play.
Starting point is 01:27:43 All right. All right. All right. When we come back, Ryan Holiday, we'll be joining us. He has a new book, right Shelter? Yes, man. Ryan Holiday, one of my favorite authors. He wrote books like ego is the enemy.
Starting point is 01:27:53 The obstacle is the way. I read his daily stoic every day for my daily affirmations. But he has a new book out called Wisdom Takes Work, Learn, Apply, Repeat, okay? And we'll be here to talk to him when he comes back. He'll be here to talk to us when we come back. All right. Don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Charlamagne the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lawn the Roses here as well. We got a special guest in the building.
Starting point is 01:28:24 One of my favorite authors ever. It's a new book. Wisdom takes work. Learn, apply, repeat. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Holiday. Welcome back. Thanks for having me. How are you feeling this morning? Doing awesome. What book is this? Number what? I don't know. Did it 10? It might be 10. 15, 16, something like that.
Starting point is 01:28:41 Jesus. Christ. Fifth or six time he's been up here. Yeah. Very good to me. Yeah. No, we like having you, man. the wisdom takes work learn apply repeat and in the book you argue that wisdom is the virtue on which all other virtues depend how did you arrive at that belief so the four virtues of stoic philosophy which i write about are courage discipline justice and wisdom they're all separate but they're
Starting point is 01:29:06 related in that you know wisdom tells us when and how to apply the others if you it doesn't matter you know how good your heart is if you don't have the wisdom the intelligence to know how to bring it into the world or you know courage is important but you could be courageous for something real dumb so so wisdom is the sort of layer on top that we have to apply to all our other skills and assets well it's one thing to do the research was there a specific moment in your life that made you realize i think we've all met some smart people that do dumb things and i think we've all done dumb things and you you look at you look at wisdom as being the sort of the key to not just a successful life, but a good life, right? You can, you can be really
Starting point is 01:29:53 good at what you do, and then you can blow it all up, or you can be profoundly unhappy or, you know, how many smart people are lacking in self-awareness. So I just think wisdom is this sort of piece that brings it all together. And I think, I think one of the problems is that we assume wisdom is this thing that just happens, right? We go, sure, school is important, but, you know, experience is important, you know, wisdom comes with age. It's no guarantee. I met a lot of dumb old people too. Absolutely. I was always taught. Smart people learn from their own mistakes, wise people learn for the mistakes of others. I completely agree that wisdom is a law start. I think you have a lot of smart people. I don't think you have a lot of wise people nowadays. Yeah, yeah. And I mean,
Starting point is 01:30:34 you need this not just to be successful, as I was saying, but like, how do you not fall for demagogues or how do you not fall for scams? How do you, rise above the noise how do you separate fact from fiction wisdom i think is you know there's this word discernment right the art of discernment like how many people can really see the difference between good and really good you know right and almost right uh truth and complete nonsense that to me is the missing skill of our time we're doomed guys it's over pack it up go home we're not doing yes we are no i think i think everybody eventually has something in their life that wakes them up to that whether it's at a different like might be young might be older but you all
Starting point is 01:31:15 You always thought that, like, wisdom comes with age. Yes. That saying. So you probably hate that saying, huh? Yeah. Churchill was joking about this guy he didn't like, and he said that although he occasionally stumbled over the truth, he quickly picked himself up and carried on as if nothing had happened.
Starting point is 01:31:32 Right? So people are, I think life is always teaching you, right? But you don't have to hear it. And so life will sometimes whisper. Life will tell you nicely, things that you need to know. And then when we ignore that, it becomes louder and louder and louder until sometimes, you know, you have to learn from some kind of catastrophic failure or catastrophe. And so, you know, your point that we can learn from the experiences of others, that's the cheap, effective, efficient way to do it. And then a lot of us go, no, no, I'd rather figure it out on my own.
Starting point is 01:32:08 And that costs not just them, but the people around them. Like when we're late to learning lessons, that doesn't just affect us, but that affects the people that work for us. That affects our family. That affects the people who, you know, bear the consequences of that, you know, painful lesson that we chose to learn the hard way. I think wisdom has to come from age, though. Sure. Regardless. I mean, regardless of what the person, you can meet a stupid old person.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Yeah. But there is some wisdom that comes from what they're doing. Whether if they work at a plant, whether they, whatever they do at the house, there is some type of wisdom that they can. can continue on to give to somebody else. Well, you know, the root of the word idiot is somebody in ancient Greece who did not participate in public life. So, you know, you can read everything you want, and you can read a lot, and that'll make you smarter than the average person.
Starting point is 01:32:59 But if you're not engaged and involved, you're going to miss some things that you can only learn from experience. You know, Da Vinci would sign his letters, a disciple of experience. experience. You have to learn by doing, you have to put yourself out there. And that's why I say it's learn, apply, repeat. So you learn the things, you hear the lessons, you study, you go to school, then you got to go out in the world, and you find that a lot of what you learn now has to be applied, or a lot of what you learned, you didn't actually understand it. And then you repeat that cycle over and over and over again. And each time, that's a positive feedback
Starting point is 01:33:38 loop that's making you smarter and better. And they talk about educational. A lot of people and I'm seeing this a lot more and more and more that people are not necessarily wanting to go to college. Sure. They feel like the education that they get in college, they can be taught more through life experiences. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over.
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Starting point is 01:38:02 And they feel like the wisdom that those professors have might be outdated what they're teaching what's your thoughts on that well look I'm a proud college dropout so I'm all about it there there is and always has been a difference between school and education so I think the problem is if you don't know what you're trying to do uh how do you know what the best form of schooling or education is for you I say that all the time by the way I think it's stupid that we force kids to get out of high school to say go to college and pick a major immediately when they don't necessarily know what they want to do if you know what you want to do that's great, but there's been times where kids, but like, I don't know. Like, don't make me pick
Starting point is 01:38:41 a major and make me take these courses if I don't necessarily know what I want to do in life. And by the way, nowadays, when we live in a world where we're kind of preparing for a future that won't even exist. Yeah. Because the AI going to be having all the jobs anyway. Well, and look, spending a couple hundred thousand dollars over four years is an expensive way to figure out what you want to do. Absolutely. Especially if at the end of it, you find out that what you want to do is something that didn't require college. For, for me, I met Robert Green, our mutual friend, and then I realized that's what I wanted to do. And then I said, well, am I going to keep going to college or am I going to go directly learn from the person
Starting point is 01:39:17 who's done it? So I'm a big believer in apprenticeships and mentorships. You got to find your teachers. Sometimes those are college professors. Sometimes they're business executives. Sometimes they're, you know, your neighbor down the street. But you've got to find who can teach you how to do what you want to do. When you started off as an apprentice, oh, Robert Green, one of the first things he put you on was 40 law of power, right? No, I worked on the 50th law. 50th law. So, like, the first thing I did was transcribe in a world before AI.
Starting point is 01:39:46 I transcribed hours and hours of interviews between him and 50. And so that was part of my education, it's just listening, not just listening to it, but having to painstakingly type it all out. And so I got this masterclass and not just, you know, how he worked, but all the people around him. And, but what I was actually learning was like how you put a book together. And Robert showed me how to research a book and how to write and then how to operate in the industry. You want to find the people who are further ahead in what you want to do and do it. Although, to be fair, like in college, I think one of the most professors are professionals in what they do.
Starting point is 01:40:21 They're not just teachers. They're researchers, they're experts, they're, you know, they had a previous experience where they did the thing. And, you know, every week they have office hours where they have to sit there and meet with the students. And nobody comes. So I thought the crazy thing for me is like, I didn't go into the library at my college until after I dropped out and I was writing my first book because I was like, oh, wait, this is an incredible free resource that I was too busy, you know, doing the college kid thing to take advantage of.
Starting point is 01:40:52 So all this stuff is there. It's just you got to be self-directed and self-motivated. Another claim you make in the book, you say cultivating wisdom requires mental struggle. And there's no shortcut for that. So what does mental struggle look like from a, from a, from a, practical things. Well, look, like, books are basically free. You know, you can get them from the library. The amount of wisdom in a book is incredibly cheap. But it still takes work. You got to wrestle with the book. You got to read it. You got to put the time in. It's not just the struggle to, you know,
Starting point is 01:41:26 make the time to do the work, to read, to go to class, whatever. But then it's also wrestling with big questions. Like, if you think life is black and white, if you think it's easy, if you think everyone is trying to tell you the truth all the time. I think, again, you're going to find yourself pretty vulnerable. So it is a struggle. It's a battle against ignorance. It's a battle against misinformation. It's a battle against your own biases.
Starting point is 01:41:50 I think one of the things the Stoics remind us is that, like, your mind is not always your friend. We all have prejudices. We all have biases. We all have mental shortcuts that we do that prevent ego being another one that gets in the way of us learning and seeing what we need to see. So you've got to struggle against your yourself too. I was going to ask with your books, it seems like your target or your goal is to allow people to think freely but like have an educated like base that they're pulling from. Yeah. How hard is it becoming for you to go around teaching all of this in this like time with this
Starting point is 01:42:26 administration? I saw the thing that happened with you at the naval base and canceling your lecture that you do. Yeah, I've been doing a series of lectures at the Naval Academy on the Cardinal virtues for the last four years. And the last one was canceled. I was supposed to lecture about wisdom. And I was going to talk about Admiral James Stocktoe as a famous graduate there, who famously took a course on Marxism at Stanford before he was shot down in Vietnam and sent to a Marxist prison. And the idea is like, you want to learn from the enemy. You want to understand what they think or else you're vulnerable to brainwashing and propaganda. Actually, Seneca, the Stoke philosopher, said this, he said, we want to study like a spy in the enemy's camp. So I was supposed to give
Starting point is 01:43:08 this lecture, and like a couple weeks before I went, they started removing books from the library at orders of the Secretary of Defense and the president because they were too woke or pro-D-E-I. And I own a bookstore. I can't get up to give a lecture about wisdom as they're literally removing books from a library, so I was going to mention it. And, uh, they found out and they said, look, you've got to remove those slides or you can't come talk here. Damn. And this is one of the elite universities in this country. These are people who someday are going to be piloting fighter jets or aircraft carriers or nuclear submarines.
Starting point is 01:43:47 Like these cannot be sensitive little snowflakes or we're in big trouble. These are people who are going to not just have to make highly complex technical decisions, but profoundly ethical and moral questions. And yet here we are protecting them not just from, from, you know, protect potentially political books, but Maya Angelou's memoirs was one of the books that they, that they removed, probably because no one in Hexas office has read it, knows anything about it. He probably chat GPT told him it was a woke book, so he wanted to remove it. So I felt I couldn't do that. And that's, by the way, where all the virtues are interrelated, because it's not
Starting point is 01:44:25 just knowing that book banning is stupid and reckless and dangerous. But then I have to decide, you know, do I want to preserve my access, or do I want to say what I think is true? And also, do you want the, you know, Secretary of Defense to be mad at you? That's where courage comes in. But then also justice. Like, hey, it's the right thing, so you do the right thing. But, yeah, we are in a dangerous moment. Do you know the word cacistocracy?
Starting point is 01:44:54 So like, oligarchy, democracy, different types of governmental system. Cacistocracy is government by the stupidest. that's what we are facing in this moment people who are who are not just not smart but actively afraid of and angry at and resentful of people who have competence and knowledge because they're fundamentally threatened by it are they so we have to replace the term idiocacy then yeah i mean idiocry it's a similar way to say the same thing okay but but i mean i don't think the american people are that stupid i think we are in a moment where we have elected a number of officials who are actively stupid and deliberately ignorant and what you said
Starting point is 01:45:40 is interesting because you said they're resentful of people who are smart and to me I'm like I don't think they don't I don't think they believe anybody's actually smarter than them there's a hilarious list of all the people that Trump has said he is smarter than and it's like basically everyone that's ever existed I'm saying yeah but but it's this idea that like my feelings are more true or stronger than your expertise. So it's this antipathy towards expertise, credentialism. And look, like, the experts are wrong all the time. I'm not saying they're flawless.
Starting point is 01:46:12 But, like, you don't want to be driving the smartest, most qualified, most experienced people out of the armed forces, out of the government, out of business. And that's the sort of bent that we're on. It's going to end very, very badly. Oh, listen, I want to ask you about that. Listen, if, do you think the political. climate made them feel that way because for the last 10 years all the political pundits and the strategists they've just been wrong they have been wrong like and that that you know this idea of negative capability negative capability is the idea can you can you hold two opposing ideas in your
Starting point is 01:46:48 head so on the one hand the experts are wrong a lot on the other hand expertise is still really important so you can't throw the baby out the bath horse so you got to go hey why were the experts wrong about this, that, or the other. What biases or tendencies do they have that you've got to protect against? And at the same time, you got to elect qualified people. You don't go, hey, that guy talks about the military on Fox News on the weekends. Let's put him in charge of the most powerful military in the world. I mean, he's not even qualified to be the spokesperson for the Pentagon, let alone running the Pentagon. And so you got to go, hey, here's what I believe here's what I think is important, and then still respect, you know, wisdom, intelligence,
Starting point is 01:47:35 credentials, experience. I want to ask you, what role does listening more than talking play when you're in, like, a culturally diverse setting or when you're sitting with somebody with a different ideology and you're listening to them? Yeah. But at some point, you might be like, well, that's wrong with some bullshit. You just keep listening to you in a jaggle. But that is that idea of negative capability is like realizing, for instance, I have to think
Starting point is 01:47:59 about this with my kids. My kids are never wrong about their feelings because they're their feelings. Now, I might feel differently. It might not change. Hey, you got to go to school. You got to do X, Y, or Z. But like, your opinion is your opinion. And so I think what strong people are able to do, resilient people are able to do, wise people are able to do is understand that people feel differently about different things, have different opinions about different things, and to be interested and curious about that without necessarily changing your mind all of the time. So I think diversity is strength in the sense that you want to bring as many different opinions and viewpoints and worldviews into the equation. But at the end of the day,
Starting point is 01:48:48 you do have to decide what you think, what you feel, what you're going to do, especially in a position of leadership. The leader ultimately has to listen to everyone and then make and own the decision. But it's based on what their opinions are based off of, meaning your opinion or how you feeling could be a certain way. But if it's based off of some bullshit, it's not true, then your feeling is kind of wrong. And I think that's our problem with expertise is people are like, well, but I don't want that to be true. And it's like, okay, that's great. And I respect that you don't like it, but it is what it is. Well, Ryan Holiday, ladies and gentlemen, A new book, Wisdom Takes Work.
Starting point is 01:49:25 Learn, apply, repeat. It's available right now. And thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure when you pull up, Ryan. You're the best. Thank you guys. Next time, bring some chocolate milk from a brown cow. I do have a brown cow.
Starting point is 01:49:35 It does not make chocolate milk. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Lauren becoming a straight fat. Tell her. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the detail.
Starting point is 01:49:49 I'm a home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She'd be having the late. She'd be having the latest on this. The latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest.
Starting point is 01:50:02 On the breakfast club. Talk to me. Okay, so before we get into more news, I wanted to go back to Brandy, Monica, just to answer your question about whether it was an added date because of what happened with Brandy. So I spoke to Black Promoters Collective, who are the promoters around this tour, and they said that it wasn't added because of what happened with Brandi. It was already added prior to. Brandy in that first tour stopping her not been
Starting point is 01:50:24 able to finish because of the demand there. Yeah, because of the demand there, they added that and they added a few other dates and other places as well as well too because of the demand. And I did ask them because when Monica performed, not Monica, Maya performed yesterday, there was such a huge
Starting point is 01:50:40 response to it. Of course, anytime you see Maya anywhere, but people want her as a part of the tour and, you know, they yes, I asked, you know, were there conversations on that now because money long, which is who Maya stepped up for, mentioned that she had pneumonia, which is why she had to step away. So I was wondering if there
Starting point is 01:50:56 was going to be more dates where we could see Maya and they say, as of right now, no. They go back on stage on the 29th in Detroit and as of right now, Money Long is supposed to be well and be there, but if not, you know, it's not off the table and the people love Maya and they say they felt the response and they hear the fans. That's not fair to compare Money Long to Maya though.
Starting point is 01:51:14 And the reason I say it's not fair is because you already have a nostalgic toy, right? Because you got Monica, you got Brandi, you got Kelly Rollins. So the people that are coming there are probably people that are into that nostalgia that era. So when you put a Maya on there over a money long of course they're going to vibrate with Maya
Starting point is 01:51:30 more. I feel like too there was conversations because Coco Jones is on this tour as well too and she has been doing... I didn't even know that yeah she's only on certain dates. She's been doing a great job on the dates where she showed up but they were having you know the conversations around that too like why do we have to
Starting point is 01:51:46 get the R&B singers from various times? Why not just everybody from one era and it's like you kind of, you want to do that because you want to, you know, build out a full show and have openers and all the things. But, you know, it's kind of, you can't compare it to. So you got to let the younger girls get on stage and, you know, put in their work as well too. Yeah. So again, I just wanted to answer that question for you. Thanks, Lowe. Now, um, in other news, we should have this in now. Kamala Harris is talking about whether or not she will be running for president
Starting point is 01:52:15 again. And surprisingly, she gave us a positive update. Let's take a listen. Because of your baby nieces, Amara and Lila, when are they going to see a woman in charge in the White House? In their lifetime for sure. Could it be you? Possibly. Have you made a decision yet? No, I have not. But you say in your book, I'm not done.
Starting point is 01:52:34 That is correct. I am not done. I have lived my entire career a life of service. And it's in my bones. And there are many ways to serve. I've not decided yet what I will do in the future beyond what I am doing right now. You've been very clear that it's a possibility you might run against to become president. And in my experience, interviewing politicians, when someone says I'm not done,
Starting point is 01:52:56 it means they are thinking seriously about running. But when you look at the bookie's odds, they put you as an outsider, even behind Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Is that underestimating you? I think there are all kinds of polls that will tell you a variety of things. I've never listened to polls. Did she say the bookie odds? That sounds crazy. You know, Jess, you complimented me on these orchards.
Starting point is 01:53:18 I walked in this morning and I produced What's they called? Orchids Yes, orchids Yeah somebody bought this This orchid Is it an orchid or orchids
Starting point is 01:53:25 It's all right Just get through it We know your star Well somebody Our producer Eddie bought this Orchid in for me And when I read the card These are from Kamala Harris
Starting point is 01:53:34 Oh that's amazing That orchids are really really lovely Former Vice President Kamala Harris I said former vice president Kamala Harris I said former vice president Well I didn't say that But we thought you were going to read the card Do you open the card
Starting point is 01:53:43 No it's personal But that's an amazing You get Orkids When somebody is special to you Orkid is not like an ordinary fly Let me Google that. Can you move the orchid in front of Jess's face? Because the camera shines right on Jess.
Starting point is 01:53:52 You can't see it. You know what? I can't see it. You know what? Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So this has been Kamala's thing.
Starting point is 01:54:01 Jess. You was helping them through it too. Orchus symbolized luxury, love, and beauty. Yes. Yes. And they last for a long time. They live for a long time. Yes.
Starting point is 01:54:10 Yeah. So this was Kamala speaking with BBC. And the reason, I mean, it's Kamala Harris, of course, is going to pick up. But people are picking this up as her strongest. answer to date on whether she won for president or not because of the possibly so there is that but she said she's not done exactly now in other news I'm gonna take it back to the HBCU homecoming vibes and we know I saw Kamala Harris too posted over the
Starting point is 01:54:32 weekend and shot when out Howard University where she was a student because of the homecoming feeling now Ari Arie Fletcher who is money bag yo's girlfriend and influencer online she posted something that started a conversation she says why are grown adults at college homecoming. Is that normal? I'm genuinely asking because I didn't go to a big college. I did stuff like that, but it seems so off. I thought that was for the kids in school.
Starting point is 01:54:57 I thought that was an event for the kids in school. So she doesn't understand why alumni attend homecoming. You know what could be interesting about that if she would have just left it at, is that normal? And they let somebody answer as opposed to giving her opinion. Because she did say, I'm genuinely asking.
Starting point is 01:55:13 That's right. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, well, people were very offended and she came back and responded. I know they went crazy on Facebook. Of course. I know the alumni, I was like, how dare you? Who was this, the young girl? They probably was on the yard stepping to some money back, you know, just because. Yeah, so she had to come back and say,
Starting point is 01:55:31 y'all offended because I made y'all feel old. I was just asking, big and mad, literally. So, yeah, people got upset because they're like, first of all, we're allowed to be here age-wise. It's nothing unnormal about that. And secondly, if you don't know, you should ask somebody before you put that out there. People are just... They were mad because she sound crazy, not because they're old.
Starting point is 01:55:47 And if she's ever been to a homecoming, I'm sure she's been booked for a lot of them. There's so many different age groups when it comes to homecoming. And like me and Charlemagne was saying behind the scenes, the reason a lot of these schools are open, a reason a lot of these students get scholarships. Because they're the alumni. If they're paying their bills. If they're paying their dues. They're making sure that those schools stay afloat.
Starting point is 01:56:08 So that is a lot of the reason why even the NIL deals with a lot of these HBCUs where players are able to get some money. That is the reason why. But I will say. You know, she's the, the events that she hosts during homecoming, if any at all, would be for the younger crowd. She would not be, yeah, that's probably why she. But alumni probably pays for it. Yeah. Alumni probably pays for it.
Starting point is 01:56:30 Right, which is something that she needs to know. It's a learning lesson, though. It is. And not in a negative way. I think that HBCU culture, college campus culture, unless you experience it, you don't know everything. There's nothing wrong with her asking a question. It's just not HBCU culture. This is all colleges.
Starting point is 01:56:43 Yeah. It most, you could talk Harvard. You could talk St. Johns. It doesn't matter. The alumni is usually what funds that school to stay afloat. Well, Erie will be back on the campus and she will now understand. That's a good lesson though. When she sees the, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:56:57 Like that. The alumni events look like they'd be more fire, but I'm 47s and don't listen to me. But the alumni events look like they be more fire any goddamn way. That's such a great time. People, they dress up. They get it, man. The older ones, them season do women be dropping in low. Yes.
Starting point is 01:57:11 You can tell them, drop it down in a while. And they're up there in their prairie and these looking beautiful. Let me, okay, Envy took me to Hampton. for my first time ever over the weekend they had set up like sections like Jess you could go and get bottle service like on the football field and it was like multiple
Starting point is 01:57:27 different sponsored ones I've never seen a set up like that sounds very grown up very alumni I don't take nothing to impress a young girl any they had sexes bottle service at homecoming you just be out in the yard with your red cup
Starting point is 01:57:44 and I never seen it was like the buffet was laid out It was a great set up. I took it's amazing. That's all the take. I took her through the process of the students party to where the 20-year-old's party to the 30s to the 40s to the 50. I took her to the process so she can see everything. She can be excited.
Starting point is 01:58:02 She was saying like Hampton was one of the best homecomings that she'd ever went to. She didn't want to go. I mean, she didn't want to leave Hampton is what she said. Now it was over. Then we went to Norfolk State after because she was hosting at Norfolk State. An amazing time in Norfolk State. Shout out to the alumni fast. Lloyd performed and people were so excited to see envy they love you guys that people always
Starting point is 01:58:21 ask me about you guys whenever I'm somewhere so shout out to homecomings and all the things and shout out to you know Ari we'll see her at somewhere next year home color wise well that is the latest with Lauren let's get to the mix it's the breakfast club good morning Good morning, everybody. It's D.J. N.V. J. Salarious. Salomeyne de Guy. We are at a breakfast club.
Starting point is 01:58:53 I'm out in Dominique. I'm coming back tomorrow morning, so I'll be back in the show in studio tomorrow. But I just want to salute to everybody out here. I mean, they welcomed me like no other. They took me all through this island and taught me about the island. This island is like a nature island. So it's not really been, quote, unquote, touched, as they said.
Starting point is 01:59:12 It's very, like, so many trees. like it's it's so many uh rivers and so many uh what do they call it hot springs yes y'all got 365 rivers envy that's right talk that talk but it was just an amazing event so i just want to salute to the tourism board i want to salute they had the huge creole festival it was like probably 60 70 artists performing from vibes cartel to uh uh spice to tewa savage just so many artists so i just want to say thank you for having me salute to martha salute to uh daffin uh for having me i know was a tough way to get me here, but we actually got me here. So I just want to say, thank you.
Starting point is 01:59:48 I enjoyed it, and I'll definitely be back. That's beautiful, man. I'm glad that you are getting in touch with your roots. And it's Dominica's not Dominican Republic. People are mad at you about that. They was like, tell Charlemagne that he is not from Dominican Republic. First of all, let's be clear. Y'all don't realize how much envy has claimed to be a Dominican all of these years.
Starting point is 02:00:07 So he can get awards. I did. He had to float at the Dominican parade. It was Puerto Rican Day Parade. And I didn't have a float. I was just DJ. NBA out there beefing with Puerto Ricans as a Dominican just to try to get an extra check.
Starting point is 02:00:19 This guy diabolical, man. I'm telling you. Oh, my goodness. Now, you were out in South Carolina, right, Shala? I wasn't South Carolina this weekend, man. It was the University of South Carolina's homecoming. You know, that's my wife's alma mater. She used to cheer leave for the University of South Carolina.
Starting point is 02:00:34 And I was also there on Friday, the icon living Don Staley. I moderated a conversation about her book Uncommon Favor, which I had the privilege of publishing. earlier this year. It's been on the New York Times bestsellers list for weeks. So, so with everybody who came out to the Colonial Life Arena to watch me in conversation with Don Staley, as well as Asia Wilson,
Starting point is 02:00:55 okay, four-time WNBA MVP, three-time WNBA champion. It was crazy because I've done a lot of interviews in my life but sitting between Don and Asia and the arena that they made famous, I was sitting there like, damn, both of these women got statues, a block
Starting point is 02:01:11 apart in this beautiful city that we all love called Columbia South parking line. So, you know, that different was top. That interview was top tier for me. So salute to Asia Wilson and Don Stanley. That's amazing. And to your girl, Just Solarius will be in Charlotte, North Carolina this Friday
Starting point is 02:01:26 and this Saturday coming up. And then I will be giving away, I keep repeating. I will be giving away a cash prize to the person who shows up with the best Halloween costume on. So get your tickets now if you haven't yet. Justelariusofficial.com. I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina this weekend. We got four shows, two
Starting point is 02:01:42 on Friday, two on Saturday. Justillarsofficial.com. I love you, Charlotte. Can't wait to see y'all Friday. All right. Well, Charlotte, you got a positive note? I do, man. Salute the Ryan Holiday for us showing up today.
Starting point is 02:01:53 Salute the 112 total in case as well. Make sure you go check out that. What's the name of the tour? Room 112. The Room 112 tour that they're all on right now. But salute to Ryan Holiday, he's got a new book out. Wisdom takes work. Learn, apply, repeat.
Starting point is 02:02:05 And I want to say one of the quotes from the book, because I love this quote. The good thing about not being an expert about something is that it's a solvable. problem. But ignorance, if you choose, can be a temporary state. Okay. Expertise is merely a function of your interests, your teachers, and your drive. So basically what he's saying is, uh, there's nothing that you cannot learn. So ignorance, if you choose, can be a temporary state. Have a great day. Breakfast club, bitches. Do you all finish or y'all done?
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