The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Chris Brown Addresses Backlash Over Jasmine Crockett Honoring Him + Danielle Brooks & Jessica Tarlov Interview

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Jessica Tarlov on Trump, Political Arguments & Winning Without Losing Friends. And Danielle Brooks Talks New Film, Early Career Struggles, Hollywood, Broadway, Motherhood. Plus, Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to FBI Director, Kash Patel For Lowers Hiring Standards To No Longer Disqualify Applicants Who Engaged In Acts Of Bestiality. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good morning. How you feeling? How you feeling, Jess? I feel good. Yo, you remember when I asked you about getting hit from the back and it automatically being your fault in a car accident? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So remember I act like it wasn't me, but it was me, right?

So it was an African guy who I hit in the back. Why are you admitting to this on the radio? No, because, listen, State Farm found him at fault. Why? Because it was right. It was raining, it was like two weeks ago, and it was raining. And he was trying to go. You know how you assume that somebody, when you're approaching a yellow light, you would assume

that the person in front of you is going to take it. That's what he did. And the person in the car in front of him stopped. So he hit the car in front of him? To avoid the car. And to avoid hitting the car in front of him, he scurred in front of my car, like he's spurred in front of in my lane. But he didn't look before he got over.

And I hit him. I had to slam on brakes, but it was raining. I slid into him. I do not know why people would press the gun. gas and they see a yellow light. The yellow light literally means slow down. Just slow down. Why do people press the gas to try to run through it?

And the car in front of him didn't. The car just slowed down. Yeah, he thought they were going to like run through the light. And so that's what happened. But when he got out the car, he was like, oh, no, you hit me. You hit me. I said, you wasn't paying attention. You swerved over in my lane.

And he was like, but you know it's going to be your fault because it don't matter who causes the accident. If you hit somebody in the back, the person that hits you in the back, it's automatically a fault. Is it clean clothes yet? No, it's not closed. Okay. I'm about to get you over there.

Yeah, it was real big, real big. Fraud. He was the owner. Thank you so much. Oh, so it was more to the story. It was more to the story. Did he have a license? Nope.

Oh, yeah. Nigerian? All that. I don't know, but I know it was some type of Africa. So he didn't have a license and he still wanted to go to the police police. Yeah. He was about to go through the process of saying he got injured and back eggs and trying to get sued. I'm just hoping you're not Nigerian because they had a bad week.

Okay. Oh, my God. What happened to them? Remember the guys earlier? They were the guys. Oh my God. The six guys that were scamming people in the little romantic scheme. Yeah.

Yeah, man. And salute to all the parents out there. I know the kids are back to school, but we have to get acclimated too. Yes. Because now it's the pickup, the activities. I know. Yesterday, I feel bad for Jackson. I love Jackson at school.

I was like, I called my wife. I'm like, where's Jackson? She was like, I thought you got him. I thought you got him. Luckily, Logan was in the area. So I said, Logan, go get your brother. Yeah, but because it's just so much going on. He has soccer.

He has soccer. Damn. It is what it is. So salute him. No, he was good because he gave him extra time playing out on the field with his friends. So he was happy. He was like, Dad, come another, come later. I'm like, no, no, no, no.

So salute to all the parents. I know we got to get acclimated to our kids getting back to school and their activities and all the issue that they're doing. But it's back. All right. Well, let's get the show cracking. Actress Daniel Brooks will be joining us this morning. My girl. My South Carolina sister will be here.

She got a new film. If I go, will they miss me, that came out on September 11th. It's an independent film. It came out on September 11th. But, uh... Oh, actually, it comes up. I start nationwide in theaters this Friday. Yeah, this Friday nationwide.

Yeah, and also Jessica Tarlove will be joining us. Yeah, salute to Jessica Tarlo. Jessica's been here before. If you don't know who Jessica is, she's like the only Democrat on Fox News. Correct. And she'd be on the five battling with them folks every day. She got a new book, I disagree, winning arguments without losing friends. That's a weird concept, though, because I feel like you should be able to argue with your friends.

Yeah. And still be friends out to us. Well, I think she's going to break down what the arguments are about. Absolutely. Not just any argument. So we'll talk about that in a little bit. And let's get the show cracking. What we got?

I like this record, man. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to dance. My daughter, I love this too. I just won't do it. It's all right. Let's get to it. Morning, everybody, we are the Breakfast Club.

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That's Baby Chief Gettles, a love store if you want to check it out. Morning, everybody. We are the breakfast. Breakfast Club. Let's get in some front page news. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, NB, Jess Salamein. How y'all doing this morning? Good morning. Front page news is sponsored by Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. So now to this morning's news, we're going to start at the Kennedy Center, which is now closed.

President Trump, he handpicked his board, of course, and they have now voted to shut down the building for renovations, saying the center needs repairs and is running out of money. Trump says he's willing to help raise the money to keep the center afloat, but he wants recognition. Now, one proposal would put his name on the building. It would say renovated, restored, and sustained through the generosity of Donald Trump. But yesterday, a federal judge blocked that plan,

ruling that Trump's name cannot be put back on the building without approval from Congress. And just hours later, the board, they voted to close. close the center immediately. The Kennedy Center immediately. But during that meeting, Ohio Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, who sued Trump to get his name off the board in the first place, excuse me,

off the building in the first place, says the president and her got into a heated exchange over the closure. This is her on MSN now. Let's listen. He went into a tantrum. I mean, let me just make it simple. It was the most unprofessional thing that I've

ever witnessed or been a part of of it. He went into name calling from everything, from trying to say that I was an obstructionist, I was dumb. And he said he was going to hold me responsible if something fell out of the ceiling and killed someone. And I told him, I said, you're already killing people. We're at war. We also have people who are starving. You're doing this. And then he wanted to talk about how great he was with developing and he didn't know anything about me, but I had never done anything. This was the biggest thing I had done. So I reminded him that he had more bankruptcies than anybody in the room.

I was not going to let him bully me, intimidate me, and the facts stand for himself. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't like to diagnose people, but this is why narcissists make terrible leaders, okay? Because they prioritize their own personal needs and glory over the well-being of the team, and they end up damaging the team in the longer. But what makes it even worse is they were saying that, he wants to shut it down for two years, right, until he's out of presidency. But they were saying their fear is if he does shut it down,

he said Trump might just knock it down, destroy the whole building, just being, you know, being an a-ho. You know what I said? They prioritized their own personal needs. He wants his name on it. He wants his name on it. He wants the glory for it. And if he don't get that, he's willing to let it crumble.

Exactly. Both of you are exactly right. Trump says he is willing, though, to take this fight all the way to the Supreme Court if he has to. but for now the Kennedy Center is closed and Trump says though those renovations will not begin until the courts decide whether his name can go on the building so it sounds like it will say close until maybe the Supreme Court weighs in on this. Lord have mercy.

Yeah. And speaking of the Supreme Court, President Trump is responding after the Supreme Court blocked his administration's new rules for mail-in ballots ahead of the midterm. So Trump called it a quote, another bad decision and criticized the court, including the justices he appointed. Attorney General Todd Lance says the administration will follow the ruling, but they are not happy about it, and this legal fight isn't over. Let's listen. He has every right, and indeed he should communicate his concerns with the Supreme Court whenever he has them. This isn't the first time that he's done it, and it won't be the last.

He's also publicly very appreciative of the Supreme Court when there's decisions that he very much agrees with. Trump's efforts to make sure that we have free and fair elections are not going to stop just in November or after or thereafter. So I expect you're going to see that work continue. President Trump does not want free and fair elections. So when they say keep the work continuing, get ready for the next trick. What is the next trick to try to, you know, cause disruption during the midterms? Yeah. And they're beyond the midterms, right? Like what what comes up next? Even after that, it says this is not going to be his last rodeo at trying to get some things seen basically in his favor. So the rules would have changed how states in and

track melon ballots, including requiring special bar codes and states to turn over information about who was receiving those ballots. But elected officials say there wasn't enough time to make those changes before November anyway. And the Supreme Court agreed. And so for now, those new rules are blocked. And all things will say the same for midterms coming up in November. So there you have it, guys. And your first hour, sponsored by Morgan and Morgan, injured, know your worth, America's largest law firm. Visit for the people.com. And coming up at 7.

So the FBI says things in your past may no longer stop you from becoming an agent. But one change is so unusual that people can't stop talking about. We're going to get into it in the next hour. This don't even seem like a real story, yo. It is a real story that happened on Capitol Hill and everything. y'all. You know what had to happen in order for that to be told. We're going to talk about next hour. We're going to talk about next hour. Everybody

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You said deal like the pickle? Good morning. Dee, Dee. Oh, Dee. Oh, Dee. What's up, D? Get it off your chest, dude. Football just started, and you're already giving out scores, DJ Envy.

And you know the women's, the fever World Cup this weekend, and you ain't give them a congratulations and nothing? What's up? He don't care about women's basketball. Wow. He's a soccer, sir. I noticed. I noticed. It was actually basketball.

She's on my soccer. World Cup and soccer. people world cup women's basketball i don't know i don't i shouldn't come over there and slap the i'm sorry no no no i had no i had no i had no i didn't be dead in the eye like i did you know what i did watch the game i didn't see kately and angela re's playing my bad i'm sorry i thought you didn't even injuries not angela oh no women's basketball we just we just want we just won and you ain't even you ain't even you ain't shot us out or nothing nobody did a pill you know don't the flag.

I know this. And the football did it. He didn't say nothing about it. I was on the road. I didn't see nothing. Football just started and you already given out scores. Who cares at this point? Give the women a chance.

But you just did. Shout them out. Go ahead, Mama. Baby. Yeah. Congratulations. USA. We did it.

We did that. Harriet. Congratulations to Stewie and oh my girl. Okay. That's right. Congratulations. She's the NB for nothing. Damn.

And the WMBA playoffs start up. Sunday, September 27. You know there's Thank you very much. You know it. You know it. And the second half begins tomorrow. Tomorrow, we're going into this.

Come on, DJ. Come on. Stay with us. Stick with us. Come on. My giant. Have a good day. Thank you very much.

But salute to those ladies. It was with me. Thank you. Baby. Yeah. She was mad. Yes. She got every right to be.

Yeah. They did win a gold medal. They did win. Get it off your chest. 800. 585. 101. If you need to vent.

Hit us up now. It's the breakfast club. Come on. Wake up, wake up. Wake your time to get it off your chest. Whether you are mad or blessed? We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, who's this?

Hello, who does? Good morning. Jerome. Jerome, what's up? Get on your head, Jerome. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.

Shalbary. Good morning. God. Good morning. Good morning. I do it this morning. Just last week you said I sound like I got a, like I'm somebody, baby father. Well, I am.

I am. It's just the name. It's just the name. Jerome is the very baby daddyish name. Yeah, you can relate, huh? Yeah, I can. Yes, sir. So you remember the story about Dejan Love, right?

The fake 49? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. So one of my good friends, man, his name is Desjohn Love. So when now that story broke out, man, everybody was looking him up. He's actually a retired professional football player, and he's now a sheriff in our town. Oh, that's dope. He speaks positivity and everything like that.

man, real good dude. And I just wanted to get his name out there, man, because he actually is a good dude. I wanted his name to be known for something good, rather than to be a gamer. His name is already out there, and it has nothing to do with your friends, sir. That's right.

Dejaun Loves is infamous forever. It has nothing to do with your friend. He got to change him. The real be loved, though, the real B-love will live forever, man. Not to fake. I don't know if that's his real name, man.

He took the bill, but he took the bill, but he took the bill, but he just wanted to put his name by his friend's positivity to him. Yes, sir. You'll actually follow him on an Instagram, at Dejan Love on Instagram. All right, bro. I ain't following nobody named Dejan Love.

He's triggering some women right now, I'm sorry. All right, brother. It's not happening. Have a little one. Get it off your chest, 800-585-105-1. We got the latest with Lauren coming up. What are we talking about?

We're going to talk about Chris Brown. Remember, we talked about him being awarded in Texas, him and Usher. Yep. He's telling him, y'all can take this award back. Y'all tap dancing. Not Jasmine Crockett, but there's a Texas state rep that it turned us.

whole thing upside down. So we're going to talk about it and some of the backlash that has happened. And he's had to come out in defense of Jasmine Crockett, too. So we'll talk about it. I think they'll argue with bots, but we'll discuss. All right. Yeah, we'll talk about that. It's the breakfast club. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.

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The latest with Lauren LaRosa. Because you particularly are bringing the energy to mainstream radio, the black radio. That source is trusted. Did you hear that exclusive? Lauren. I'm the homeguard that knows a little bit about everything and everything. She'd be having the latest talking. You ask the question that need to be answered.

On the breakfast club. If little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you. L.L. Coobe, talk to me. All righty, y'all. So, well, first of all, good morning. Good morning, Al-Cube. Good morning. Top dog, low.

All right, let's get into the latest. So we had talked a bit about Chris Brown and him receiving, him and Usher actually were just honored and received an award on stage from Jasmine Crockett on behalf of Texas, right? And this was a celebration of their big careers that they've had for over decades and all the work that they put in in the industry. And it was receiving some backlash. Now, the backlash specifically was going toward Jasmine Crockett at first. And what people were saying was like, why would Jasmine Crockett as a woman award Chris Brown on stage because of Chris Brown's like, you know, pastings of all of the, the older Rihanna stuff? Y'all don't think is whack that people pick and choose when to be mad at Chris Brown. Chris Brown has been selling out these arenas for years,

but now that people are mad at Jasmine Crockett and want to have an issue with Jasmine Crockett, they're making Chris Brown's past an issue. I think it's box, personally. I don't think these are real people that are upset. I really don't. Well, days after Chris Brown received this honor, Texas state rep Vinton Jones appeared on Don Lemon's morning show on Tuesday

and decided to apologize to black women and domestic abuse survivors for awarding Chris Brown with the proclamation. Let's take a listen to Texas State Rep talking to Donovan. First off, I want to offer an apology. And I think that this is a very important conversation around domestic violence. And I want to offer my apology to black women, to women, and to anyone who has experienced domestic violence and really expressed that it was not my intention to be able to stoke the traumas that that goes into that as well as the background.

of this situation. We were here at the request, you know, the venue to come in and to be able to honor the importance of this evening that was going on. So both Chris Brown and Usher. We were brought in to help and talk to and mobilize voters who need to be engaged right now in this very important election that we have going on in November. And that is the work that we were engaged in. Listen, Vincent Jones bowed to the box, because once again, I don't think this is a real issue. I think there are forces that are upset at Jasmine Crockett and they used this opportunity to attack her. I know a social media hit when I see one. No, I don't think it's just bots.

I think a lot of people might feel that way. Even when I went to the concert, there was people that when I posted that I went to the concert. Under there was like, why would you go? And I don't think it was bots. I mean, people really feel that way. But what I have a problem with is if you're going to do it, you stand on it, right? You know what you're doing. You know what Chris Brown has been through, the ups and the downs.

But you still decided to do it because. you wanted to be on that stage and you wanted to push an agenda. And when you started getting that backlash, then it was like, oh, I apologize. I'm sorry. I didn't know. That's whack. I think we don't realize how the bot campaigns work because the envy's point.

Yeah, you might have a couple of people who are mad, but there's people that will come and stoke that fire and make it way bigger than what it is, especially because of Jasmine Crocket's connection to it. Well, originally, I remember yesterday, we mentioned Chris Brown, I think both Vinton Jones and Jasmine Crockett. that had to change because Abbot's upset whoever it is. Chris

Brown had to get on his Instagram and stand up for Jasmine Crocky. He apologized to her for any backlash that she was having to deal with because they decided to award him. He says that he is not political and he is still thankful for the recognition but he says he moves off of frequency and energy and he was so grateful

so once again thank you. But to Vinton Jones he responded in one of the Shade Room's post of the apology and he told Vinton Jones I don't even want the award anymore. and my brother, you went with Don Lemon and started tap dancing. Y'all can keep that issue.

Yeah, he didn't ask for that award. You didn't ask for it. Because he did, because guess what? That man was fully aware of Chris Brown's past way before they gave him that award. That's what I just said. He knew it was. And Chris Brown said the funny thing is that they came to him

with the award. It wasn't like he asked about it. He said, I was minding my business. My shows in Dallas were already sold out. I didn't ask to be honored because I knew something like this would happen. Immediately, he tagged Vinton Jones. He said, Vinton Jones immediately started

tap dancing and apologizing because he didn't want to lose voters and supporters. He says, I have a great idea. How about y'all leave me the F alone and let me focus on the fans that spent their money to actually see and support me? This is what I mean when I say you all pick and choose when to be mad at Chris Brown. This guy has been selling our shows all over the world and it's never really an issue. I'm telling you this is more about Jasmine Crockett than Chris Brown. Somebody saw this and decided to take this opportunity to attack Jasmine Crockett.

Not Chris Brown. But they do. Grace is actually a casualty of this, of what they did of attacking Jasmine. But they people still be trying to play with Chris. All the time. You know what I mean? All the time. It's a campaign.

But no, no, no. I do believe that for sure. Yes, Jasmine. But people still been playing with Chris Brown name ever since 20 years ago. Yes. All right. Well, in other news, shifting gears a bit. So Drake dropped his FOMO yesterday.

The Fear Missing Out. Remember he told us it would be a not-so-short, short film. It was a little over an hour long. and after it happened, he removed it. It was like you had to be there watching at the time that he dropped it in order to experience it. I know there were a ton of things that went down. Sexy Red made an appearance when he Harlow his goth batty from the prior stream, his mom, Kevin Durant. This, it wasn't a streamed.

This video was basically a compilation of video. So he dropped the Habibti album and the Made of Honor album. And he put together visuals for those albums. and he also gave fans a bit of new music. There was a feature with him and Don Tolliver. There was a, you know, a song in there with him and Yeat. Just fans thought it was going to be an album. They didn't get an album, but they did get some new music.

Now, one of the things... Our resident Drake Groupie is in here, Lauren. Ovio, Eli. Oh, yeah. He said that he was going to dress, like he had a certain outfit he was going to wear. Well, he got a tattoo. He got a tattoo, and it's on his back, and it goes F-O-M. And then when he bends over, it's the other O.

You're a clown. You are a clown, but no. Okay. What's up, Eli? How you feeling? Oh, I'm feeling great. Shout on Drake.

Yeah, well. Wait, go, wait. So, Lauren, no, wait. I got, I got, I mean, he could say because I got some questions because there was one part where Drake says pray for Gaza and people, let's say, listen to Drake.

There you go, Lauren. Yeah, now, Eli. Bet you're going to wish you now wasn't in it. Let's take a listen to it. In other world, we pray for Gaza. World boss, when I play with Gaza. My brother, no, Nick, me, be in Gaza. I'm a damn big Gaza.

What do you mean? What do you mean? Yeah, because some people think it's like the, you know, the pray for Gaza that whole conversation because there was a petition that Drake signed. And then other people are like, no, it's an old to, who did you say, Shar? Vibe Cartel. That's what Complex said.

And now that I hear it in context, I think he was big enough vibe content. He has his, uh, what's a Patois voice on. So his Caribbean voice on. And they say, the Complex said vibe, uh, vibe cartel frequently refers to his home region of Jamaica, Portmore as Gaza City into his. his fans is God's a nation. It couldn't be a flip.

Like, could it be both? Yeah, I mean, we don't drink. It could be a double untouched. Yeah. Definitely double untouched. Well, he also talked about this being self-funded in this era because of all the lawsuit stuff that's happening with the UMG. Let's take a listen to that.

Why family still the highest value for you? I mean, the family is us, right? You know, of course, I love my blood relatives. But when I say the family, it's the people that I started this with, a group of individuals who, you know, are still right now, my basement looks like 15 and 40. York did. You know, it's pizza and McDonald's and guys grinding, you know, hours and hours and hours, guys that have really been dedicated to this for years. I came to some people for this project. When I say self-funded surrealism, obviously people know what I'm going through right now,

you know, I'm an artist that's standing ten toes. I'm face up with the people that I've done a lot of work with and forth. This just reminds me of when we started. When my mom was doing my signature on the mixtapes with me, because we couldn't, because we had to ship out orders of room for for improvement and we couldn't get all the signatures. So we were splitting signatures, you know, it reminds me of a time when it really mattered. Eli wants to be one of those guys grinding in the basement for hours. Don't you're crazy.

When they started, he also pays homage to his own legacy because he's showing, like, oh, music videos and stuff, like the scenery from, like, start from the bottom. He looked like he was having fun, too. Like, I just watched him dancing. That dance video. Yeah, he looked like he was having a good time. Look like he's back to having fun.

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone to be in that kitchen sliding across that, they all want to be in that basement. That island with Drake. He did. He did. He looked like he was having a good time, though.

I'm not going to my kitchen. I do that in my kitchen with my kids. But now he looked like he's having a good time. And that's the drink that I enjoy to listen to. When Drake is having a good time, that means music is about to be amazing. So hopefully he's just a dope music. Shout out to Drake.

He just, he mentioned. Well, he said, well, no, but fans think that more music, I mean, he previewed new music here. Fans have been saying that more stuff is coming. And he said that he's going on tour next year.

So he's feeling good. Yeah, yeah. And he said he's going to call Nikki and check on her. So we might get a little, you know, started from where they started from type of situation. I don't know, but they're missing out happening. Eli, 10 out of 10, what do you think? 10 and always and forever.

OVO, you already know. OVO, tell him. Fulmo, for show, and down. Yo, he got to Charlie, you got to watch me. He go get his makeover. His God's baddy takes him into a store and she does a whole makeover. I'm cool. I'll be playing Wolverine. Oh, yeah, I'll be playing Wolverine.

Yeah, I'll be playing Wolverine. Well, that was the latest for the hour, guys. All right. Thank you, Lo. You're welcome. Now, that was brought to you by life Lock. Your name is attached to everything you've built. And if you get your identity stolen, what then? Your bank can only do so much.

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What's up, Mimi? Good morning, NV.J.S. How y'all doing this morning? Good, Mary, Brown. Good morning. All right. Front page news is sponsored by Morgan and Morgan, America's largest law firm. So if you've ever wanted to become an FBI agent, you may want to hear this because the hiring standards are changing. Have you guys heard about this story?

I sure did. And it's very interesting because it's, it's, go ahead. I'll let you talk. Go ahead. Okay. But the Bureau is no longer automatically disqualifying some applicants for, you know, stealing from an employer or, paying for sex or engaging in beastiality. So FBI director, Cash Patel, he was questioned about these changes during an oversight hearing

before the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday. But lawmakers on both sides, they are having trouble and kept coming back to one thing. Lots of questions about beastiality. Let's listen. What about the bestiality? Tell me what it said before. It automatically disqualified any individual. who participated on either side of it.

Obviously, we are never going to hire the criminal. This side of what? The bestiality? Yes. So you disqualified the animal? Why would you even get into beastiality? We are not into beastiality, but a lot of these individuals... I know you're not, but you changed... But I'm trying to explain it. Hang on.

You changed the qualifications and mentioned bestiality. If Joe participated in beastiality, not as the animal, is the human. Don't you like he ought to be qualified, disqualified? If he voluntarily did it, sure, but if he was trafficked into it, can't be concerned. Okay, how do you involuntarily do it? In a lot of these cases, when human traffickers, who are some of the worst individuals on planet Earth, they don't just traffic you for prostitution. They traffic you for degrading acts of all kind, and they force you into that type of conduct.

This isn't a good faith conversation. No, no, it makes a lot of sense, because I will say that headline is very misleading, because if you see the headline, you think cash between tell is letting people who have sex with animals into the FBI. But when you look past the headline, it actually makes sense because his logic is if somebody was trafficked and forced to participate in something horrific like Beastiality, treating that victim exactly the same as the perpetrator creates another injustice. But if you were forced for Beciality, you wouldn't get arrested. You wouldn't be charged.

That's what he's saying. But he's saying you wouldn't be on your record. But I thought that was to be an FBI agent, right? What do you mean? But that's what he's debating with the Senate guy. That's why I say this conversation is misleading. He's telling the Senate guy you're not listening. He's talking about people who have been trafficked and forced to fornicate with a dog or some type of animal.

That's why he says we wouldn't hire it. We wouldn't hire a perpetrator. Right. He says that in the conversation. But you would never get charged for it. That's the purpose. If you were forced into do anything, you were the victim. You wouldn't get charged for it.

No, it was not about a charge. It could be on your background. It could be in your background. I could come up in your background. Yeah, because I'm like, yo, how did we get here? Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, how did the beastiality thing even? come up then if... Because that could be in your background.

You might say, hey, I got forced into prostitution a one time and they made me sleep with a dog. I don't know. That could come up in a background check. And how are you able to prove that though? Like, how are you able to prove whether or not, like, this is like a freaky fetish of yours versus, like, you being trafficked?

Like, how can you prove something like that? I think he's being specific because he said if basically, if you've been trafficked and forced to fornicate it with a dog or some type of animal, that shouldn't disqualify you from working in the FBI. Now, could he have been... And more clear in the definition or more clear in the policy, sure.

Yeah, but words matter, right? So somebody who does have sex with an animal can still say, well, hey, it says here that I could have sex with an animal and still be an animal. Right, right. But that's why he has to be very clear on what the definition of the policy is. But you can't do that when you're not having a good faith conversation with people and they're just trying to jam you up on words because it's election season. We'll see. And that was a thing, though, because that was a Republican senator, John Kennedy, who was having that conversation with him. And I think he was trying to get him to where you are, Shard, like trying to get him to explain exactly what he meant by that.

Because they were trying to prove his incompetence. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. They were trying to make him look. Well, I'm not going to say make him look, because he might be. But they would try to really make him look incompetent.

They actually said that to him. Cory Booker said that to him. You're incompetent. Damn. So, and just to go over the standards. So if you, so the new standards actually say if you stole from an employer, you may still be considered if it happened more than three years ago. If you paid for sex, you may still be considered if it happened more than 10 years ago and fewer than three times. And when it comes to bestiality or animal cruelty, an applicant may still be considered if it happened before they turned 18.

So those are the new standard guidelines if you do want to become an FBI agent one day. They got to clear that definition up though. So you could pay for a prostitution. And still be an FBI agent if you paid for prostitution, right? If you pay for prostitution, that's what they said. If it happened more than 10 years ago and it would. was fewer than three times than yes, M.V. You could still be an FBI agent

if you paid for sets. Yep. Yeah. Those are the new guidelines, guys. So a lot of people have a lot to say about the FBI and those new standards. So we'll get into more of that. But I think that is it for front page news. This hour was sponsored by Morgan and Morgan, injured, know your worth.

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town from getting their money all right well thank you Mimi thank you all right now when we come back actress Danielle Brooks will be joining us she has a new film if I go will they miss me it's out this Friday we're going to talk to her next so don't move it's the breakfast club good morning

morning everybody Everybody is DJ Envy Just hilarious. Salamein de Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Long La Rosa's here as well. Yes indeed. We got a special guest in the building.

My South Carolina Brethren. Daniel Brooks. Welcome. Sister. Brethren, sisters, family. You can call him sister. You can call him sister. He acts like a southern old auntie.

I always saw him that. How are you feeling? I feel so good. I'm glad to be here. It's been a long time. I know you just said that. It's about 13 years? Yeah, something like that.

Yeah. It's been a long time. It was in Orange. Orange is the New Black and I was a baby. I was probably like 23 when I came in here. Wow, wow. Wow. I was 22 when I started. Wow. Yeah, I was a baby. And you've done so much since that, since that, what, was that 13 years ago? Yeah, 12, 13 years ago. Wow. You have had such a impactful elevated career. Thank you, Lord. Starting so young. I didn't know. Like that was. I was about just graduated Juliet at 21.

Wow. Had my little struggle year and then at 22 popped into Orange's and New Black. Wow. Yeah. And then have been working ever since, thank God. What did Juilliard prepare you for? Huh. Hmm. Huh. And what could it never? And also, what could it never prepare you for?

You know what? It's funny because I sat with Juilliard alum yesterday and the current students, all black, you know, students. And we were talking about this. And the one thing that Julia Art can't give you is the talent, is the heart, is the soul portion. They can give you the technical. They can give you a toolbox for that. But other than that, you know, and it's funny when I did Orange is New Black, I remember being interviewed once and they were like, what did Julia

Yard give you? And I said nothing at the time, which is not true because they did give me the skills but they couldn't teach me that hard stuff. They couldn't teach me the grit and all of that. So I always say take what you need and leave the rest from any, you know, conservatory that

you go to, any place, anybody that gives you advice, take what you need and leave the rest. A lot of people think that when you get in these big Hollywood careers and these roles that it's keeping with you, like, you're talking about heart. That's like something that's like inputting you. You were raised a certain way. But people try to, I think, sometimes separate the two. Talk a bit about like keeping your root amidst all

of that because you're in Julia, you're, you know, doing all these things. It's completely opposite of, you know, what some of us like come from it and know. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, I definitely am not a Nepo baby. My baby will be a Nepo baby. But that's off. Okay. But, no, I came from, you know, where Charlomaine is from. I'm from South Carolina, small town, grew up in the church. you know, like low to mid-class family, definitely only at the time all I saw was the radio people or the news people on TV that made me say, well, maybe I can do that. You know what I'm saying? But to get to this point, to get to this moment in my career, the only thing that really

keeps me grounded is one God, faith. That's right. Period. Number one source. And then my family, my friends, like, my foundation, they are my foundation. Like, they keep me grounded. They keep me, they tell me to try. You know, even if I don't want to hear it.

So I make sure to keep positive people around me. Like, that is important. Negative don't come over to the Danielle camp at all. When did you know that this was going to be your path, right? When did you know that it wasn't going to be something else? And how difficult was it to continue on when you got the news, when there might not have been enough money for tuition and books and board and all that? I think God always told me this was for me.

He always had said, you just got to trust me. I got you. It might not look how you think it will look, but I got you. And I had to lean on that. But when it first hit me, I think it was my first yes, getting into Juilliard. Somebody said, yes, you have talent. And we're willing to, like, pour into you for four years in New York. I'm like, okay, okay.

But it wasn't until that. And then I think once I learned I was here to stay, which I knew it inside, but you have all these doubts, right? I knew it, like, fully when I got Oscar nominated. I think that, I know it took a long time. To be that confident. But I think that was the moment. I was like, no, I'm having longevity in this industry.

I'm not going anywhere. But before that, it was like that climb of like so hungry and so wanting it so bad. And like, can I hold on to it? But there was something once that Oscar came around, the Oscar nomination came around, there was something that settled in me. It was like, girl, you got this. Like, you are that bad. You got it. So what about when you were 15, right?

Okay. What you want to know? And your father took you to see. see the color purple. The color purple. Yeah, change my life. Later, you end up. Charlemagne, let me tell you something.

Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you how good God is. Okay. So yes, Dad took me to see Color Purple at 15. That was the first Broadway show I saw. 10 years later, I ended up starring in it after auditioning for so many Broadway shows, not getting them.

First one I get is the Color Purple. Takes me to get my first Grammy. Takes me to get my first Tony nomination. Next thing you know, I'm 10 years later, they asked me to do the movie. Well, I audition for the movie, and get this Oscar nomination. The thing that blows my mind about all of it is yesterday I met a young woman named Angel, and her name was Angel. From South Carolina, first Broadway show that she saw was the piano lesson with me and Sam Jackson and J.D. Washington. First Broadway show.

Then she says from there, she looked in the playbill and saw that I was from South Carolina, and then I went to, she just did some research and found out I went to this governor school in high school, right? So she ends up applying using the monologue from the piano lesson. Gets into this high school. It's a conservatory. You live there for two years on campus. It's really fancy. She gets into that. Then decides to audition for Juilliard and gets in.

Wow. I met her yesterday. Wow. That's what I'm saying is some God. I got chis. Hold on. So she went to the governor school. Yes.

Was she the only black girl? I was the only black girl. I was the only black girl. I don't know. I was too busy crime. I was too busy in my fields. But how insane. That's God.

It's God. So we just gotta continue to do the work and walk in what he's telling us to do. And that's why I like, I just love what we do. A lot of times we talk about like with the art. You know, we're not doing rock and science. We're not saving lives as doctors. But we are, though. Like we actually are changing people's lives and the trajectory of what they see for themselves.

I look at you, Charlotte. I'm like, God damn. And like, Lord, forgive me if you use your name in vain. But you know what I'm saying? How far you have come in your career? It's insane. You know what I'm saying? So we just got to keep, and it helps people to remind them like just again how far they can go.

You know what I'm saying? When you're that young, right, and you're the only in a room, like the only black woman. Yeah. A lonely black girl in that drama class of government school, do you start developing confidence or do you quietly develop a, like, a habit of proving that you deserve to be in a room? Ooh. I think it's a little bit of both, but I think what messed me up in the beginning was, like, when I was at governor school at the high school in South Carolina, I was the only black girl, yes. So when it came to auditioning for high colleges, I was like, really like, it can only be one. So what's this other black girl over here trying to audition? Like, now it can only be one. And then it was me and one other sister in the Juilliard class of 18, because they only allow 18. It was only two of us. And that's when I was like, oh, like, there's room. We're going to make room. Like even though they got me playing soldier to the left and playing witch number three,

like there's room for all of us. And I cheerleaded the hell out of my sister and she cheerleaded the hell out of me. And now she's a Tony winner and I'm an EGOT nominee. But we supported each other through it. You know what I'm saying? So it did at first mess me up a little bit. But I quickly got out of that mindset and was like, no, it's room for us all. Now, you know, movie, if I go, will they miss me?

Yes. You shot that in 22 days? Yes, we did. Break that down. That's no time at all. No time at all. And we shot it in the hood. And it looks amazing. It is so good.

I cannot wait. That's the first thing. That's the first thing she says. She said, that looks good for a shot in 22 days. Yeah. It is so cool. The coloring, the weight, like, it's very much. I saw you say it gives a moon night feel and it does.

It's like the color and the shadow and everything. That's a lot in 22 days. Girl. And Walter Thompson Hernandez is that dude. He is the next Barry Jenkins or plug-in amazing. amazing director he's that guy he directed it he wrote it he edited himself

um you know he started out as a short film at Sundance and now it's moved over into a feature with JL Fines from P Valley and he's also in lanterns um but the story is a love letter to Watts and a love letter to fathers and sons and um it hits

on all of the things and it's so beautiful y'all like if you love cinema this movie is for you if you just need I mean, if you got a child, you are a child, this movie is for you. I love the conversation about fathers and sons, right? Yes. I have four girls, two boys, and watching it, I love my daughters.

I hug my daughters. I kiss my daughters. I don't necessarily do the same for my son, right? And it is not because of I don't love them, but it's like you have a different relationship. Maybe that's what this is about. And I was like, yeah, I need to do that more. Like, I need to hug and kiss my son and let him know I love you in a way that we usually don't do. And DJ Envy, this one is so great because the young boy, he sees his father as a God.

As a hero. That's all he wants. You're talking about the comic books and stuff. Yes. He romanticizes his dad as like this mythical character. It's so beautiful. And the God that he is, but he doesn't see his self like that. And the thing is, the father is struggling with allowing the boy to continue to stay in this innocent place, right?

Like this childlike wonder and use his imagination. A lot of us do that because we want to protect him. children and show them what the real world is like and we a lot of times adults say too well i grew up all right my parents didn't hug me and my parents didn't do this but i came out all right did you though like do you have an issue with like um emotional intelligence or or you know are you able to let somebody hug you like you know there's these things that we we say we are good but are we really and this movie asks you to look at yourself and reflect it's the little engine that could is how i this movie. So, like, to be able to talk about it on this platform is a huge deal because I think

it can get there to the masses, but we got to, like, we got to do the work. You know what I'm saying? You got involved in this film, not because of the paycheck, but because of the passion. Oh, yeah, I didn't make nothing. Respectfully. What I thought was interesting, though, right? Like, you probably get scripts and things coming at you, like, crazy. And you, this one, you're like, not only why I want to be a part of it, but you're out here, like, driving the conversation about it. You get a chance to really dive into the art. Is it you wanting to refresh and reset yourself because Hollywood

can be totally like scripts, go, go, go and this is like colorful and it's passion, like, or isn't you really being like, we need to center more of this? We need to center more of this. You know, I think when you're in a position, like I am, I'm so grateful to have movies like Minecraft

or have TV shows like Peacemaker. You know, those are the shows that I love, get to the masses, and pay the bills. But then there's another group of movies and TV shows that really move the culture and make us better people, hopefully. And so that's why I said yes. That's why

I'm putting my own money behind this as an EP to promote this movie and, you know, to support what this director is putting out because it's necessary work, yo. I'm telling you, I don't like watching movies that I'm in a ton of times. Like, I really

don't. Like, I'll watch it once and I'm done. I have watched this movie probably four or five times. Every time I see something different. Every time I'm... Like, I'm... crying and a good cry like you know like a healing cry like I'm like in a cry of like I've come so far as a person you know what I'm saying like you a mom I'm a mom I'm a wife yo I go through a lot of stuff you know like I'm not saying like I've had a lot of trauma and all this stuff but like I'm a real

person I go through shit you know what I'm saying in this movie it just reminded me like yeah I'm making the right steps as a mom I'm making the right steps as a wife you know what I mean so I think Everybody should go see it and do a little bit of this crying thing. There was a scene where you apologized to your son. First of all, your son in the movie, he is the most stoic but impactful child actor I've ever watched, right? But you apologized to him in that scene. And I saw you say that was improv.

That was improvved. And you're emotional here with us right now. What are you learning more about yourself as a parent as you watch? Hope that's not a used tissue to do that. No, man. I'm not doing that. They're about to do that. Crumple.

You know how your auntie would like pull something out of her purse and touch? No, because I don't get it. She just been holding it. It ain't did nothing too. I can't wait. They were taking too long with the Kleenex. I can't wait to hear what y'all think about this film.

I think it's amazing. I think it paints another side of, we talk about escapism as like a bad thing sometimes because you don't deal with who you are because you're trying to get away from it. I think this movie shows you what the positive, how escaping something can positive, impact you if you have the right support around you like your son in the movie like him

drawing and having this whole magical world with the right support he becomes genius yeah I think we have a responsibility um as parents aunties uncles whatever it is to really pour into our children um and I think we we we got work to do you know what I'm saying and and because at the of the day we're all big children trying to act like adults like you know like we all actually don't know what the heck we're doing you know what I'm saying um so I think this movie

is a reminder to go search for the help that you need you know if y'all are all big advocates for therapy and things like that like I think you have to do the work and especially if you want to get rid of like generational curses and make them generational blessings is what I think

so I was going to ask you to change you as a mom oh 100% How? I am so protective of my child. I always have been. But like, the thing is, there's this thing where you're like, I'm going to be protective of my child, but you might start teaching them. It's okay to accept certain behaviors.

What do you mean? Like, you don't want them to say, okay, ex-person is talking to me disrespectful. So you tell your child, just ignore your uncle, just ignore your daddy, just ignore your mama. No, you can't accept that. And a child who's five, six, seven years old, they don't have the language, nor can they, to a grown adult. So who has to step in? Another grown adult.

And so that's what I'm saying. It's like I'm proud of myself for saying, like, my family, we're going to do this right. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad that the people that are in my life did the work so that we could heal as a family. And now we're better for it. We're so strong. We're tight. She's thriving.

You know, I'm thriving. Everybody's doing so well. My husband's amazing partner. So yeah, that's what I mean. It's like we got to do the work because sometimes these, a lot of times these kids cannot advocate for themselves. You give yourself grace because it's easy to beat up on yourself, right? But we always say there is no instruction manual. There's not.

When babies born, they don't give you a pamphlet and be like, here you go. Like, you got to figure out. And everybody has to go through stuff. We all going, like that's life. You know what I'm saying? We go on. He talks about flying, right? In the film and he's always referencing the planes.

stuff, but we all are going to have to go through turbulence in this life to get to the destination. And I can't stop my baby from going through turbulence. But what I can do is say, we're not going to have it in this house. And that's what I would encourage other people to do. And I think that's the importance of the work that we do. You know, I don't like to share. I don't want to overshare any part of my life because that is mine. Like, I don't owe anybody anything.

But what I will say there, we all do have testimonies and things that can help other people be better human beings. Was there ever a moment where Hollywood made you question something about yourself? Yeah, for sure. Like, am I enough? You know, I think the fashion industry more than anything has, you know, like, you can be an EGOT nominee and still not be invited to the Met Gala. You know what I'm saying? I've never been invited to the MacGala. That's crazy because you were such a big name talent in fashion.

Like, we see the fashion. Yeah, thank you. But, yeah, I mean, I was in the biggest press tour with Color Purple, you know, thriving in that, getting nominated. for everything and was not invited. Whole Oscar run. So I think sometimes that makes me feel like, dang. But you're right though. You got a Grammy or E-Got nominee.

You've been in huge movies like Minecraft. Big shows like peacemaker, like it's, just new black is a hit. And in my opinion, if a fashion house is looking for a girl who's like representation for people, like you've always been there. You've always been fashionable. So when the invite comes, is this something that you would even that you would even, like, you want to go, but like,

it's kind of like, y'all have been stunting on me this whole time. At this point, it's like, yeah. I don't operate that way. I know people that do, but I don't, because that's their problem. I'm going to have me a good time. Like, y'all, you know what I'm saying? I ain't got time for that.

Like, okay. So I'm going to stop myself from enjoying myself and maybe even getting another deal or having a relationship with somebody because of somebody else, no. I'm going to that party. I got you. And I at least want to experience it one time.

You know, I would love to experience it one time. Do you ever get tired of having to be representation? Sometimes you just want to be Danielle? I think that's me being representation. I am Danielle. Whoever is supposed to connect with me will connect with me. And to be honest, I don't think my representation is only stuck at being a plus-sized dark-skinned girl. I think my representation expands that.

I think Orange is a new black taught me that, you know, that it's almost the thing they say about, like, the more specific you are in a story, the more it's. It resonates with more people, and I think that's the thing that I'm aiming for. I want you to relate to me through parenthood. You know what I'm saying? Me and you through fashion. Me and you through South Carolina. I think that's what representation is.

It encompasses, I think that's the way you say the word, but y'all know what I'm trying to say. It's so much larger than just the thing. That multi-connection, is that why you did launch your podcast intermission? Because I was surprised to see you do a podcast that's been so far. free because I feel like with the type of career that you have, it would normally be kind of like PR protected a bit because of all the political things that play when you are like on those Oscar runs and stuff like that. That's a great question.

I think for me, the reason I started the intermission, there's so many interviews, including things that I've seen with y'all watch you with Ms. Pat, I've watched you with so many. Birdman, I'll be, y'all be with everybody, right? But I watch these interviews. I learn so much, you know, about myself and by people sharing more about who they are. And so to be honest, I've been doing this since 2011. Right when I came out of school at a Juilliard, I had no money. I was working at a restaurant.

I scraped up $357 to get a camera. Get a camera because nobody was hiring me as an actress. So I go to use the Juilliard Studios and get in there and got no good lighting, got no good sound, but we're going to make it work. And I was interviewing Corey Hawkins, Devonjoi Randolph, Tiana Perez. I was interviewing people. Get Orange is New Black. And at the time, my team tells me the quality of your.

a podcast or YouTube channel at the time is not matching where you're going. So I took it down. And so cut to doing color purple three, four years later, or, you know, three, four years ago, I was like, I want to do this podcast thing again. So I'm excited. I shoot four episodes, have great guests. The quality is matching now. Okay.

And it was this battle of like, do I do what the team wants me to do who I respect or do I do what I want to do. And I ended up going with the team and them saying, hey, if you get Oscar nominated, let's hold off. So I held off. And so here we are. I said, no more holding off. I'm going to do this thing that's in my heart. And so that's how, you know,

the intermission got launched. Did you navigate the convos as well? The combo you have with candy, you know, she's going through everything, right? The way that you navigated through her divorce conversation, it didn't feel like it was like media, headline, whatever. She was so comfortable with you because you have a prior relationship, but you knew,

the questions to ask, but also the follow-up questions were great. And I was like, oh, she really, because sometimes with celebrities in these podcast platforms, y'all have producers, and it's like question here, question there. I had to do all of them myself. Yeah, like, y'all just talked about hanging out in Amsterdam for a while. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, you navigate the conversations. I do all the work on myself when it comes to asking the questions.

I also have been interviewed so many times, so I know what annoys a hell out of me, and I know what works. And it's really when people, like, you're a lot of. listening. That's the main thing. People have to listen. A lot of times people, this is a question,

they don't listen. They don't listen. Or take the time. You know, just a minute ago, you asked me a very deep question, but you were waiting for that answer. If you would have said something, I would have went on and not have given you anything.

But you took that time to hear me and say, I'm open, what you got, Danielle. And so I said, I'll give a little. And that's what I've been learning to along the way. Like, I just went to another podcast, and they told me it's about giving of yourself a little bit,

too, sharing a little bit about yourself, which has been hard. when you talk about the PR stuff. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh, God. I don't want to share too much. Not that you've been hiding, but you do crap.

You've always crafted your brand where like we knew what we needed to know. And we still loved you. Yeah. But you're really open on the podcast. I'm talking about me talking about a lot. I've been talking about some things. So y'all better go watch it before I stop talking about something. But you created a safe space for yourself.

I did. Yeah. And it's been, uh, it's been a little hard. It's been a little hard to say, okay, I'm going to,

I'm going to open up about some stuff. Um, but I think it's, It's going to be great. And I hope that my next season can be in New York. It will be in New York because that way I can get some guests that I want, truly, truly want because I think it's been a little challenging, being in the A. What do you prefer more doing movies or Broadway?

I like both for different reasons. I love Broadway because it's live. You never know what the heck is going to happen. I think it's just more visceral of a response. Like you feel the audience, you know. Immediately. But that TV is something special about this. that TV and film two one it it does pay all my bills okay yeah because Broadway ain't doing it and

i've always said i think broadway actors should make what tv actors make because the work is insane how different is it because you hear all these you know like you'll hear celebrities come to bro away for a month or so yeah i always wondered i was like is it the same amount of money so you say oh no no no they come to brooys for the love honey no you were not no no not at all like you i don't know how you you know No, no, no. You can't pay no rent with that, child. Even when you're starring in a hit? No.

Wow. No. You can't, no. It's disrespectful how much Broadway actors is eight. The tickets ain't cheap, though. You think the actors get in that? They're not. Eight shows a week.

There's only seven days in a week. No, sir. The actors in Broadway are not getting paid nearly as much as they should be. It's disrespectful. Wow. And, yeah, it's a lot of work. And the conditions aren't always the best. You know, like you'll be a lot of,

in a space and it's mad like dust you know and you got to sing and it's just old buildings you know what I'm saying it's it's just not ideal but you make it work and when I was on Broadway like I felt like an athlete you know like I couldn't go anywhere I was doing oranges a new black and color purple at the same time oh so it was it was a lot on the body like wearing scars every night couldn't celebrate couldn't go out like you have to shut down and just be in the work or you're gonna like your body's going to tank on you yeah so We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you so much.

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L.L. Coobane. Talk to me. All righty y'all So MacLamore And Ed Sharon So Ed Sharon has A tour that is currently happening Called the Loop Tour

And MacLamore was one of the artists On the tour And I say was Because over the weekend There was a show that went down In Jersey at MetLife Stadium Where MacLamore used his set To make a-

I have some feedback Like a song or something playing Like other voices Like it's like a song I don't have anything playing I don't know why y'all get in that that. How about now?

Everybody be quiet for a second. Is it better now? It is actually. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, all right. And I say, okay, so MacLamore was a part of at Sharon's tour, the loop tour, and I say was because he was removed from the tour after a performance in Jersey where he used his set to make a political statement in support of Palestinians and pushed back against Israel's conduct in Gaza. Let's take a listen to MacLamore making that political statement. Free Palestine. I want those words to be loud and clear so the people from Gaza all the way to the occupied West Bank know that we have not forgotten them.

And this next song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia University students to all of my Jewish brothers and sisters. Criticism of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you. My message is for peace, love for all human beings to be treated with dignity and equality. So I say free Palestine. I say free Lebanon. I say free Cuba. I say free Congo, free Sudan, free all people in America living in fear over this terrorist organization ICE. None of us will be free until we are all free.

That's about as balanced the statement as you can get on that issue. How did that cause so much backlash? So that's a great point, Charlemagne, because people are trying to make it seem like the statement wasn't balanced. So let me explain. So after he made this statement, his song, Heinz Hall dropped. Now, in this song, he's been doing since 2024, it's a protest record.

And there was images ties to Gaza and pro-Palestinian demonstration. that were flashing behind him. Now, you have a bunch of different venues that you go to on these tours. So when Macklemore was dropped, there was a statement from the touring company that is doing the U.S. leg of Ed Sharon's tour that said that they had to drop him

because some of the venues would not allow the tour to take place if he was on the lineup. And that would result in a full cancellation. They didn't want to do that to the fans. Now, when McLemore came online and talked about the fact that he was removed from the tour, he specifically says that Robert Kraft

was a part of, he alleges that Robert Kraft was a part of the snowball effect that made all of these other venues drop out. He says that he had a conversation with Ed Sharon and Ed Sharon told him that Robert Kraft, who has the craft group and they own Gillette Stadium, which they plan to be on later,

called him and said, look, because of how it's not him trying to make the statement, because of how it was made and the fact that it only voiced one side of it, he can't perform at our venues and then McLemore alleges that Robert Kraft went and got a bunch of the other venue owners together who rallied

and said the same thing. Now Robert Kraft is pushing back and he's saying that they did tell them that he was not going to be able to perform but he says based on the material it was based on the material that was shared on stage during Ed Sharon's show in Jersey and a broader history of anti-Semitic rhetoric

and imagery that they believe has been deeply offensive and hurtful to the Jewish community. They said a decision is not about diminishing the suffering of innocent Palestinians or denying anyone the right to advocate for their behalf on their behalf. They also mentioned the pain and the loss is real,

but the advocacy should not come at the expense of the Jewish community. So they feel like that he used the platform unfairly. They say too many lives have been lost. He does agree with McLemore, because McLemore is like, that's the real conversation, the lies that have been lost, that's where this should be at. If I got to not go on the rest of this tour, in order for that to be the conversation,

let's do that. But Robert Kraft says that he feels like McLemore only shared selective information and ignored the action of Hamas. and ignoring the actions of Hamas is not honest and only advances more divisiveness divisiveness and hate. So now you have all these celebrities that are coming out

because they are pissed at Ed Sharon. Because while all this was happening, Ed Sharon didn't say anything. They're not pissed at Robert Kraft. Shouldn't it be more pissed at Robert Kraft? So it depends on who you're talking to, right? Because in the beginning of it, you have people that are mentioning Ed Sharon because Ed Sharon

it's his tour and they wanted him to come out and be like No, he should be able to still be on my tour. And also this is how I feel about what McLemore in the sense that he, not about McLeod, but the sense that he was trying to take. Pink, reposted, you know, something that was like pushing back against anti-Semitism. You have AOC on the Hill. We got audio of AOC saying she's not going to listen to Ed Shearing anymore. Let's take a listen.

Hey, if Ed Shearan comes on the radio, are you changing the channel? I am. Why is that? It's not just what has happened with the act and not just in removing McElmore from the lineup. but when you see what Robert Kraft did to line up all of the stadiums to censor speech, this is about how just a handful of stadium owners and the elite can prevent an entire massive issue, in this case the genocide in Gaza, but it doesn't stop there, that you can now just get a handful of stadium owners to ensure that an entire person's career

can be jeopardized if they speak out about any issue. The supporting acts have dropped out, but Ed Shearren, I think, will still continue with the tour. What do you think his responsibility is in all of this? I think that the right thing to do is to speak out about it, at the very least to speak out about this abuse of power. Because if they're saying that to him, then they can say it to anybody. I thought I read that the promoters drop McElmortal, like not as yet. So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, but people were upset because they're like, yes, it's the promoters, but you're Ed Sharon.

You should be able to get in this and figure it out. I know Tamika Mallory posted a statement. She said Ed Sharon's statement was booty because Ed Sharon came out and said, look, I, it's not that like it was my fault. I talked to the promoters. I mean, I talked to the venues. I got on the phone with Robert Crabb. They didn't want us to move forward. I tried to find a neutral point.

It did not work. Him and McLemore spoke. They agree. Basically, they disagreed. But he says that he's not, he doesn't not support what McLemore was on stage saying. And people are asking him, why is he being quiet about that? But his whole thing is he didn't want to disappoint his fans. So he thought it was best to just move forward, even though all these people were dropping out.

But all the other acts, all the other acts dropped off too, right? Because it was other opening acts as well, right? Yes, you have Phineas, who was the brother of Billy Eilish. He dropped out. You have Lucas Graham, Aaron Rowe, who was the opening act that dropped out as well, too. So, and this is all in support of McLemore. But I think the reason why it's falling back on Ed Shearing is because people are like, you should have more of a say-so.

It's his tour. People feel like he has more power. He has more poor. be able to be like, you know what? If they're not going to have this, I'm not going to perform at Gillette Stadium. We'll just go to the next city. People feel like that's his stance. That's what his stance is. And to be fair, like, Timica Mallory did call out Robert Kraft as well,

too. MacLamore says that, like, when him and Ed Sharon spoke, he thinks this might put a strain on their relationship, but he's open for conversations. Robert Kraft said he's willing to get on the phone with McLamore. So, I don't know where you go from here, but it has caused a huge fallout. Like, I mean,

even Pink, she was one of the first people to speak out in support of McLamore. Her, Instagram comments are in shambles with people arguing about who fault this was, whose it wasn't, if it's anti-Semitic, if it's not. Yeah, so... I mean, this issue is full of landmines, right?

But I feel like it's okay to say you're not okay with more than 20,000 Palestinian kids being dead. It's okay to say, you know, October 7th was a travesty that shouldn't have happened. It's okay to, you know, condemn Hamas. And it's okay to call out BB Netanyahu and the Israeli government. Like, this situation

is complex. And it's a lot things going on at once. I don't think, and I definitely don't think it's an indictment of all Jewish people when you're calling out BB Net and Yahoo in the Israeli government. But he said it clearly when he said it on stage, but the sad part about it is freedom of speech is not necessarily freedom, right? It's not necessarily free. So, not free of consequences. But what he said wasn't anything that people haven't been saying for a long time or people haven't been saying, especially this year, when it gets to the point, he's also been saying it for years too. That way you're pulling from the stadium and you're not allowing him to perform because of something

that he said it. Now you start not allow. lines get very, very blurred when it comes to that. And maybe, maybe Ed Sharon said, you know what, you know what, let's not do Gillette Stadium. Let's do the next city.

I'm not, I'm a ride with them. I don't feel like people. I would have even in control with that. There were, there were 10 shows left. Eight of them, MacLamore was on.

So, yeah, but yeah. So, and Ed Sharon, he did eventually, I told you guys, he made that statement eventually.

I know we got to wrap up. But he was getting some heat for just not even taking a political stance in this too. And he says he doesn't, he has his own personal views and he doesn't voice them publicly. because there's a lot of young people and children of all backgrounds who are his fans and they don't expect a political forum.

So he respects McLemore's strength, but that's not how he chooses to go about things. So we'll see and continue to follow what happens here. I'm glad I would like to see if Robert Kraft said he would reach out to McElmore, right? Yeah, he said he'd have a conversation. There's conversations like that got to be public. If there's so much public fallout from people having, you know, different stances and different opinions,

I feel like conversations like that should be public. I feel like the conversation should be had before you block somebody from coming into the stadium. I agree with that as well. Like don't get on the phone after you block me. Let's have a conversation first and then decide where we're going to go from there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the latest for the hour, guys.

All right. Well, thank you, Lauren. You're welcome. All right. Shaliman, who you give me a donkey too? Man, for after the hour, we would basically essentially talking about the same thing. This is why language matters, why communication skills matter. I need Kasper Tal to come to the front of the congregation.

We like to have a word with him, please. All right. We get to that next. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Tell us. Tell us. Man.

It's time for donkey of the day. There's a bunch of donkeys out here in this street. I'll make donkey today. Called donkey of the day. It really caught me off guard. We live a life where we bite our tongue based off who we may offend. We never would say anything. Salaman, give it to him.

Give it to him. You are a donkey. That is why Shalaman is it? Some donkey today is just sad. The breakfast club. Okay, Salamane, who you giving donkey to him? of the day, Tuesday. Don't you today for Wednesday, September 16th,

goes the FBI director, Cash Patel. Now, this is a very teachable moment, and I need everybody listening to me this morning to listen with the intent to understand and not just reply, okay? Exercise some patience, because this story is exactly why you can't just read headlines. Okay, sometimes the headline sounds so damn ridiculous

that your supercomputer and your skull, your supercomputer and your skull stops putin, okay? And I'm sure when you saw that the FBI, The FBI changed its hiring policy so that beastiality is no longer necessarily an automatic disqualifier. You said, excuse me? Okay, some of y'all are just hearing this for the first time. So let's go to ABC News for the report, please. A fiery hearing on Capitol Hill today featuring name-calling, personal attacks,

and, yes, talk of prostitution for starters in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. FBI Director Cash Patel defending a recent policy change in hiring to not automatically disqualify some job applicants. at the Bureau who participated in, yes, previous prostitution or even beastiality, a topic sparking plenty of curious questioning across party lines. We did not want to punish victims of beastiality, victims who were trafficked. We did not want to make it an automatic disqualification for the FBI to consider you. Tell me what it said before. It automatically disqualified any individual who participated on either side of it.

obviously we are never going to hire the criminal. Decide of what? The bestiality? Yes. So you disqualified the animal? Well, I don't think we have great canines, but we're not going to disqualify. I understand. I'm trying to understand why you did this. Look, there are certain things that I thought automatically eliminated you from certain jobs. And if you're applying to the FBI and somewhere in your background, somebody has to ask you about your sexual history with animals, I feel like we can stop.

the interview. Okay, but here's where this story gets more complicated and why, in my opinion, this wasn't a good faith Senate hearing, okay? Senator John Kennedy questioned Cash Patel about this. And Patel's explanation was that the FBI changed the policy because there could be people who were victims of human trafficking who were forced to participate in sexual acts involving animals. Cash's position was that someone shouldn't automatically lose the opportunity to work for the FBI because of something horrific that was done to them. are something they were forced to do. Guess what?

I agree with that. Okay, if somebody was trafficked, abused, and forced them to doing something, that person is a victim, and you cannot punish somebody for the rest of their life for something another human being forced him to do. So Cash Patel isn't getting donkey today because he wants to protect victims.

He's getting the biggest he haul because why in the hell didn't you just write the policy that way? Okay, that's why they're calling you incompetent, Cass. You're the FBI director. Words matter. Okay? Words matter with the FBI, period. definitions matter,

distinctions matter. Being an FBI agent is all about understanding distinctions. You got to know the difference between the suspect and a witness, a victim and a perpetrator, legal or illegal, okay, evidence or allegation. You have to be clear, okay? If what you mean is a victim of trafficking or abuse will not be automatically disqualified for conduct

they were forced to participate in, you got to write that out. Okay, why are we creating language broad enough that the director of the FBI has to sit before the United States Senate explaining the circumstances under which somebody was doing the no pants dance with a puppy. Okay, somebody that was doing the no pants dance with a puppy might not automatically prevent them from joining the FBI. Why is that a conversation?

Okay, that's why people think America is an unsurious place. Victims deserve context. Okay, if somebody was forced to do something, that's different from somebody choosing to do it. Okay, I don't know why that's difficult to understand. context will always matter. There are some behaviors, society has every right to treat as extremely serious when somebody voluntarily chooses to engage in them. And that's why this policy needed to be written with surgical precision. Okay, because when people hear, bestiality is no longer an automatic disqualifier for the FBI. They're not thinking about a trafficking victim. They're thinking somebody was clapping the cheeks of a cheetah. Okay, that's what people hear. And that's not the public's fault. cash Patel because leadership isn't just having the right intention if I got to spend 10 minutes 10 minutes explaining why something that sounds completely insane actually makes sense under one extremely specific circumstance that's your fault okay you had an exception design to protect

victims but instead of making the exception unmistakably about victims you created a national conversation about whether people who voluntarily do the hanky-panky with pandas should be eligible to work for the FBI. How did we get here? Okay, not automatically disqualified does not mean automatically qualified. Those are two completely different things. And if you're keeping score,

the FBI can still investigate someone's background and evaluate their conduct and determine if that person shouldn't be anywhere near a federal badge. So why turn this into something it isn't? And that's why they was grilling you in that Senate hearing cash. Okay, they could have set you up

to explain the policy, all right? But that's not what they wanted to do. do. They wanted to prove you weren't qualified for the position and you gave them all the fuel they needed. Okay. The FBI had what Patel says was a legitimate concern. I think it's a legitimate concern about protecting victims from being punished for acts they were forced to participate in. And somehow that legitimate concern got translated into a policy debate where United States senators are asking the FBI director about bestiality. sometimes your intentions aren't the problem

your execution is okay you can mean well and communicate terribly please give FBI director cash Patel the sweet sounds of the hamiltones oh now you are the donkey of the day all right

thank you for that donkey today yes ma'am the body is DJ NV just hilarious charlemagne de guy we are the breakfast club long of roses here as well we got a special guest in the building We have Jessica Tarlow. Welcome. Thank you so much.

How are you feeling this morning? I'm a little nervous. Why? Happy Book Pub Day. Because it's Book Pub Day, and that's a nerve-wracking thing. But this is the best way I could ever imagine kicking it off. So thank you guys for having me. Our book is called I Disagree Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends.

Have we reached a point in American politics with some disagreements should cost you friendships, though? I have heard from a lot of people who absolutely think. And the point of the book is not to force people into relationships or conversations that they don't want to have, but to speak to the people that I know from the outreach that I get and just conversations that you have with friends and family where they are bemoaning the fact that we can't talk to each other. And it's not just about politics. It's about it feels like every facet of life. You know, I have a four and a half and a two and a half year old. And I feel like the mom chat is as heated as talking about immigration. You know, do you send an Oreo to school in the kids lunchbox?

What are you doing with screen time? Marriage is hard. You know, and we're all pretty siloed and pretty angry. And I have this unique job, certainly in the media space, being the only liberal talking of four conservatives. And doing that for several years, I feel like I've developed a toolkit. And so I wanted to share it with people. I read some way that you said before,

Before you, I guess, get into a debate on Fox, you already find something you can concede on? Not necessarily concede. I call it the soft start. Okay. And I really, it's kind of could be summed up as just being a normal human being, right? That you, if you're going to meet somebody

or talk to them, that you try to think about stuff you have in common. Like, if you sit down for a date, right, you're going to try to figure that out. And that's what I do as well. Either some kind of olive branch where it's like I actually looked into the way that you see this.

if we're talking about legislation, it's a pretty boring example. But I try to engage with all of the components to make sure that I could see how someone could get to yes before I spend all my time saying this is why it should be a no. Like with the big beautiful bill, which we talked about for months and months and months. And I feel like it's a great table setting for any conversation. And it can be something funny or light. I mean, you guys know in the way that you interact with each other and a bunch of comedians also. So I'm not saying I'm as funny as a comedian, but, you know, poking at someone and just also indicating to the audience because there are millions of people that are taking you in remotely say like, no, we're actually friends. And it might get a bit heated, but we're okay.

And you should be okay also in your own life if you're talking about this stuff. Do you like the conversations are having more? The reason I ask is I remember back in the day, my parents didn't have conversations about politics. It was certain things we didn't have in the house, right? we didn't talk about politics. We didn't talk about religion when it came to other people. We just talked about normal stuff, whether it was sports, whether it was going on in the community. But we stayed away from it.

But now it seems like we're talking about it more, which is taking that into the schools where now our kids are talking about it more. And now our kids' friend groups are based on, well, you voted for him, your parents voted for them, that we're not talking to. And it's making it awkward because now you can't really have an opinion because your opinion, your opinion can affect your social life. Yeah, I think it's really rough out there for kids. mine are too young to have these kinds of opinions. Four and a half, they understand. If they go to school, they definitely understand. I have a four and a half.

She starts to, yeah. They know Trump. They know, they know. Yes, she does know that and she knows, like, mama's on the TV, but she doesn't know yet what mama is saying, I think. And that she wears fake eyelashes. That's basically where we are at this point. But you do see how much parents are putting their politics on their kids,

which feels. unfair to a large degree. And, you know, I take politics very seriously. I understand to your opening question, you say, like, you know, should we be losing friends? A lot of people I know think that supporting Trump or Trumpism is about morality. And that if you go along with this, you are saying you don't care if people's health care gets taken away. You don't care about Head Start. You don't care about USAID. You don't talk, you don't care about what happens to immigrants or frankly, Americans that are trying to protect immigrants. But that still feels like policy though.

So I think those are fair. No, I understand that. I'm saying that the reason that my solution to it or what I'm putting in the book doesn't necessarily translate for everybody or maybe what's happening in these households is that I understand when folks say this is a moral imperative that you oppose these things.

But there's a lot still to distill about the conservative community. And you guys obviously talked this a ton around the 2024 election and weren't particularly surprised by the outcome when so many traditional Democratic voters moved over and voted for Trump and took a flyer on the guy who they thought would be better for the economy. And one of the main the pieces of the book and that I talk to people a lot is that when liberals talk about politics, there's a lot of hyperbole to it. Some of it warranted, some of it not. But conservatives don't see it as the defining feature of their lives in the

same way. I mean, not a guy who has like a Trump tattoo on his face, but the average conservative doesn't, you know, live and breathe it all day every day. And I think that's preventing a lot of conversations and probably infiltrating to these kids, right? Her saying, you know, my mom told me that your family's this way. I don't want to hang out with you or, you know, we see the world differently. Where is the line between accepting somebody who thinks differently and tolerating something that just violates your values? I think it's personal for everybody. and I know that I'm in a different position because this is my job versus

I'm doing this for fun. Like I'm compensated. It's a different calculation. But I think as we move towards a world where Donald Trump will not be as central of a figure in our politics, I think he will still play a huge role and that will be obviously important to him

as he rules from Mar-a-Lago or wherever he's going to go in political retirement. You think he's just going to walk away? No, but I think he will end up going. I mean, I don't think it's going to be like a January 6th redux, but I think it is going to be ugly and it is going to be fraught. And I think that they are trying to figure out every way that they can certainly within legal bounds

and maybe in illegal bounds find a way to continue to claw to hold on to power. I take Steve Bannon very seriously. I agree. And I think that we have to be prepared for it. I think Democrats are, there are a lot of books now about it. And people like Mark Elias, the election attorney obviously is super focused on this. But I don't think that we are prepared for the storm that is coming for the midterms and what they're going to do to make sure that people, you know, can't get to the polls or whatever they're going to say about fraud. And then 2028 will probably be even worse.

Don't you think that the difference between Trump supporters and Trump voters? You mean the base versus people who show up on election day and say, I think he's going to be. put more money in my pocket. Yes, like those people who actually bought into the stuff that he was on the campaign trail talking about and they just went out there and you know what, I'm gonna go vote for Trump, but I think he is gonna fix the account.

As opposed to being the guy, you talk about with the tattoo on his face who's just like very cold. Right. There is still the 20% right of the base. And I've moved that down from the 30% that it used to be. Remember from the he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and no one would care.

Apparently they do care when they have less money in their pockets or their farms are going bankrupt or he said no new wars and we're in, you know, a seven, eight month war now in Iran. So things are a bit different there. But yes, I think there's absolutely a difference. And that speaks to the growing rise of independent voters in the country. It's now the biggest block. People who identify with neither party.

And they probably lean left or lean right based on certain issues. Like if they care about, you know, women's reproductive rights, for instance, they might lean left on that. or if gun culture matters to them in a certain way. But people are just fed up with the system generally. And I think the inability for us to talk to each other and not acquiesce. I want to make that clear because I always, excuse me, I have a podcast called Raging Moderates. And people will say, oh, moderates, like, that's so mushy.

No one wants that. And we have the raging in it, which is part of it because everyone's vibe right now is anger and they want to burn the system down. And I think in these conversations, some people might think, oh, you're, you know, you're telling me to go talk to these people. That means that I have to kind of, like, lay down and take it and acquiesce to their views, which I don't think is true at all. You have to just be modeling a kind of discourse that people can connect to to get those voters, not a Trump supporter, but the voters who claim, you know, the ones watching you and watching flagrant and are saying like, oh, I like 50% of what this guy says.

And that might be enough for me. Most people are one-issue voters, I think. Yeah, depending on the cycle. I mean, well, it's the economy's stupid. Every time. Always. Yeah. Well, what about you on the other side, right?

Like, you're not running for office. You are having these conversations. You talk about, like, Grace Underfire in your book. And I know, like, Trump has, like, said different things about you specifically. Like, not even about your takes, but about you as a person and what you do. Yeah. What's the line where you're like, I understand we got to. to tell across the table, but like, I genuinely just don't like this person because the attacks

get so personal. You just don't want to give the platform. Like, there's no real way to a conversation with a certain person. Yeah, I mean, I think for everybody, it's a very personal decision. I mean, I can't control what President Trump wants to say about me or anybody on TV, you know, and he watches too much television and he should be busier fundamentally is my feeling about it. But I think that there are ways, if you are going to have that conversation, if you decide that it's worthwhile to you, that you can better understand how, what they're saying about you and why they're saying it. So in the chapter where I talk about these Trump attacks, it was important to me to work on figuring out what it is that he was actually saying and how seriously I would take it. And I ended up

with this tip or maxim from the book that a criticism on style is actually a win on substance. so that when people can't deal with the content of what you're saying, they'll start picking on something surface. And they'll say, oh, it's her voice. Or it's her, he said, jittery presentation. And those are things that I'm self-conscious about. And he's very good at reading the room that way, which I think is why his nicknames, at least earlier on. I think they've gotten a little dull, frankly. But they always hit because they were things that people were already concerned about or there others would recognize.

But when you are diving into these contentious conversations, I think being able to really parse what the criticisms mean and how important they are depending who they're coming from and how they're expressed to you is really crucial. Yeah, that's all you say. When somebody interrupts you on the five, that means you take that as evidence that you're winning. Yeah. You know, you've done a bunch of these. What other little tales are there that let you know somebody realizes like, oh, you got them? Well, definitely that an interruption is verification that you're on the right path and to keep going, but to also counter that interruption with some sort of connective tissue moment.

So a little jab back or something with a bit of humor so that people can also see, and you can even feel we're actually in this together. I already said to think in averages and not in anecdotes. I think, you know, I have a background in political polling. and research. So creating database stories is what I do. But I think that's especially important for women when you go into these hostile venues, but even in your personal life, at your job, you know, wherever it is to kind of have that armor. The soft start, which we talked about, looking for what could connect you before you bring up what could tear you apart or how you

feel differently about it. Spending time in uncomfortable places I think is really important and we don't do enough of it. And it can be an easy thing right in your community or, you know, start eating at a different kind of place or, you know, who you're talking to if you're going to a sporting event or you're at a social event. I have a lot in the book about my time in college and my time in grad school and how often I pushed myself to be uncomfortable so that I could grow from that. You know, I'm obviously present as quite an extrovert and I'm on TV for a living, but my insides are very

introverted. And yeah, I actually hear that with a lot of people who do comedy. Yeah. That is this great release for you. Right, right. Because naturally, very introverted. I seem very extroverted because I know how to be that way. Yeah. We have to connect with people. We have to talk to people. Have to show a personality

but really, say the f***le of me. Like, that's how I really am. Not like bad, but it's just like introvert. Yeah, and need that inner peace and that space. Yes. Yeah. To re-energize and stuff. Right. Well, go get the book.

I disagree. Winning arguments without losing friends. It's available everywhere you buy books now? That's right. Yeah. As of today. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate you.

Jessica Tarlow. I mean, I'm never going to look like that again. Why? I mean, that's a really good picture. No. Yeah. I mean, you get to lose the same way. That's the same way.

Your hair's a little. She's like, all right. You're giving to it. All right. Great. So I look like that every day. Yeah. Go by the book.

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All right, y'all, so today, Nia Long will be receiving her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Hey, the baby. Girls. Yes. I mean, it's Nia Long. Like, what else do we have to sit here? Like, she is the girl. But she'll be receiving that.

That'll happen today in L.A. Her ceremony will go down. She's going to be getting the star in the motion pictures category. with producer Graham King and Snoop Dog among the people who are scheduled to speak on her behalf. So yeah, congratulations to her. Congratulations to Nealong. Yeah, we'll be back. Yeah, we'll be back with that.

Like, when the ceremony happens and people speak or whatever, we'll, you know, come back tomorrow and be able to, like, hear from her and the people that spoke in her honor as well, too, as we, you know, continue to celebrate her. That's right, slew to me along. Sluped to my good sister, Mavette Bredo, too. She's headed out there as well, because her and Nealong are extremely good friends. Yes. I asked you this off air, Charlemagne,

because yesterday I was thinking probably how she felt because she's had such a long career, how she felt the day before getting that star because it's such a big moment. And I was like, are you going to cry when you get yours? How are you going to feel the day before? I have no idea, but I'll know this time next year. So fired.

Yes, for the tears. You better cry. Come on now. Not yes for the tears. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how I'm going to feel. But next year. He's going to cry.

This time next year. Yes, we're going to cry. Yes, we do. Black men, do cry. Yes. Well, speaking of black men, Pusha Tea and Farrell, they launched grinding. It is a coffee business that they're going to have going down. And they are launching it with two VIP events here in New York City. So they're going to bring together people from music, fashion, entertainment, all of the things. But I thought that grinding as a coffee company was like so genius for them. And I didn't know that Pusha Tea was like so into coffees. I watched his interview he did with Complex where they took him around in different. coffee shops to try the coffee and he was like rating them and he was comparing it to the coffee that they're like going to be putting out for people to purchase and he talks about some of the flavors and stuff like that and he's really really like into it so yeah i'm not a coffee guy

my wife is a coffee guy i don't do coffee at all i do green tea that's about it yeah no i don't do coffee oh the daughter's a coffee person too she gets that from her mama like daily yeah i'm not a i love coffee coffee coffee it serves as a detox for me it always makes me go it feels like everything does that when you eat up in you always run it out by anyway lord oh my god yeah i always have a All righty. You can't hold nothing at all. No, but I did say that though

when I saw the complex interview. I was like, I know they had to poop after because they were trying like four to five different coffee. That's a lot of coffee. Yes. All right. Now, as we head on to the next story yesterday, I got the privilege to sit down with Kirk Franklin.

He did a private listening event for his new album. I Am What I Am, that will be out this fall. So I can't give you all the features and things like that. But what I can't give you, you guys is an exclusive listen to the conversation. We know who on that album. Jesus, God.

Wait, when you said that, I got so quiet because I'm like, did I tell him you about to say something? I'm not supposed to say nothing. I can't wait for it, though. But yes, yeah, you can't. Well, first of all, the album and four was going to drop in the fall, right? It's a two-disc project.

It's his first time doing a two-disc project. But he has a single, another single, because there's one out right now. Thank you with Kear, with Clark. that has a feature on it. The new feature will drop next Friday with a very well-known voice that you guys are going to be excited about.

But let's get into the conversation. So on the two-disc project, he starts off disc one, very, very vulnerable. I can't wait to you guys here. He's talking about a lot of the personal things we've seen him experience and things we didn't know about, like some of the burdens of being such a big figure

in culture and gospel music, but also some of the family things we've witnessed with like him and his son, you know how his career has impacted his marriage a bit and on the second disc I realized that he like he starts it so upbeat and I was asking him about like the duality between that and just kind of how it's been carrying all of that and I asked him about

how it is like being kind to himself and we'll get into that audio but right now we have the audio from a audience member who after listening to this she said we ain't got no audio that's why that's why I thought you was talking so oh that's why he was talking about trying to kill him Can you let me do what I'm doing? No, you got to tell me.

Yeah, you're talking to search. Yeah. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm trying to throw the things that aren't there. But we do have an audio from the audience. So we opened it up after we listened to all this music and Kirk Franklin took us, Kirk Franklin took us to church. And there was an audience member who asked Kirk Franklin about what did Kirk Franklin have

to kill. And we hear from Kirk already. God damn, Lord. Continue to be who he is. Go ahead. Don't cuss when I'm talking about Kirk Franklin. Go ahead. I was in tears about one of the songs.

I am what I am, the album title. What's the message to the world about who you are that is who you are? I am blessed and broken. I am a, I'm a child of God. I am a flawed representative. I am happy and healing. I am a love of Jesus. I also welcome smoke.

I am confrontational, but I'm also compassionate. You know, I'm not afraid to fight, but I am very eager to love. I am so okay now at this stage of my life with me I'm so comfortable now Kurt Franklin is Amen He will forever and always be my favorite gospel artist But I never realized how much he sound like goose

St. Patrick James Same Patrick Don't even like a kisset Around that series Everything doesn't have revolved right that series Don't you? He sounds like a Mario Haworthy you do Sounds like he was praying everyone

I close my first second He always sound like he praying He has that like that voice But yeah you guys can go and listen to that conversation in full on the latest with Lauren the Rose of the podcast because it was a great conversation and when the project drops I know that there's going to be

a lot of conversation around it. I feel like this is going to be I mean he's always nominated for things but I definitely see like Grammy nominated for this project like it was really amazing. Hallelujah I don't I don't know you said that earlier. No I didn't that was behind a scene. I didn't know that was behind the scenes I didn't say that

I don't know that was when the interview was playing I don't know what he's talking about All right, y'all. That's the latest. It's brought to you by Top Dog Law. It's built for tough. Top Dog Law is built for tough cases. So, you know, go see how much your case may be worth.

It's topdoglaw.com. You're all right, Lo? This is not a real place. I'm fine. It's not. All you can do to protect that. And here you go. Lord.

Oh, boy. She's talking to circles. Oh, my goodness. Sorry, Lo. All right. When we come back, we got the people's just mixed. It's the breakfast club. Good morning.

Morning, everybody. It's DJ. envy just hilarious. Shalameen Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. Now, salute to Danielle Brooks for joining us. That's my girl. Yes, salute to my South Carolina.

Huh? It's called I will. If I go, they will miss me. Exactly. salute to South Carolina's own, Danielle Brooks, man. Oh, she's from South Carolina with you? Big South Carolina. Crazy.

I love her. Oh, you wasn't in. I forgot. No, I wasn't here, but I loved her so much. And she's been killing it so far in New York fashion. Yes, she has. And Jessica Tarlow for joining us. Yeah, Jessica Tarlo's new book, I disagree.

winning arguments without losing friends is out right now. I really enjoy Jessica's perspective. She comes on Fox News, well, she comes on Fox News, and she comes on the Five every day. And it's like she's the lone liberal at a table full of extremely right conservatives, but she always holds her own, man. So salute to Jessica Tallaw. All right. It's time to get up out of here.

Yes? Yo, I got shows September 20th. I got shows. I got shows. A different area Are you know Are you're so childish Yeah so Atlantic City

Make sure you get your tickets At just the Luraceofficial.com I will be at the Harris Casino Friday September 25th So get your tickets I got meet and greet I will have I will be having a meeting greet

And I will have books on hand Plus merch y'all Run it up Atlantic City I see y'all All right Shalman you got a positive note I do man listen You don't have to rush

Just because of the scene ahead All right. Keep moving at your own pace. Trust your journey. And remember that steady progress is still progress, man. I saw this on the healing guide this morning. You know I love the healing guide, but turtles don't rush your stress. All right? They don't care who's ahead.

They just keep moving, taking one step at a time through calm and chaos. They always reach the shore because speed doesn't determine progress. Patience does. You don't need to sprint, man. Just keep going. Slow progress is still progress. And peace will always outlast pressure. Have a great.

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