The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: DL Hughley, Mo McRae, Jason Wilson and More!

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Today we are joined by DL Hughley to talk about his ‘Daily Show’ Takeover, Tyre Nichols, Kanye West, Megan Thee Stallion Case and more.  We are also joined by Mo McRae to speak on finding his pur...pose, Acting/Directing, casting DJ Envy in 'East New York' and more.  Finally, we are joined by Jason Wilson to speak on comprehensive Manhood, generational healing, The Cave Of Adullam and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:00:16 What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. We need help! That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast
Starting point is 00:00:46 Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y'all. Niminy here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone.
Starting point is 00:01:30 The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history. Like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did
Starting point is 00:01:45 the same thing. Check it. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral. We're talking musica, los premios, el chisme, and all things trending in my cultura. I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite Latin artists, comedians, actors, and influencers.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems, fun, straight-up comedia, and that's a song that only nuestra gente can sprinkle. Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. This is Courtney Thorne-Smith, Laura Layton, and Daphne Zuniga.
Starting point is 00:03:00 On July 8, 1992, apartment buildings with pools were never quite the same as Melrose Place was introduced to the world. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal, and every single wig removal together. So listen to Still the Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Good morning. The weekend is here. Oh, man. Beautiful Friday, man. You know, all week long, we've had guest hosts. You know, we've had NeNe Leakes Monday and Tuesday. That's right. Ebony K. Williams Wednesday and Thursday. And today, it's just us. It's just us.
Starting point is 00:03:52 It's just us. But we got a bunch of guests. Bromance in the morning. No, no. That's not true. Bromance in the morning. If you want sausage with your breakfast, we got the sausage for you here right now because it's a sausage party.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Well, we got other sausages joining us this morning. Turkey sausage. Andy's pork. Yo, you stupid. I joining us this morning. Turkey sausage and these pork. Yo, you stupid. I am pork, though. I got D.L. Hughley. He'll be joining us this morning. More sausage.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Let's go. D.L. Hughley. Listen, somebody's listening right now like, I told you they on the D.L. D.L. No, man. D.L. Hughley's going to be here. That's right. Also, Jason Wilson will be joining us.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Man, Jason Wilson, man. First of all, let's be clear. I love D.L. Hughley and I be here. That's right. Also Jason Wilson will be joining us. Man, Jason Wilson, man. First of all, let's be clear. I love D.L. Hughley and I love Jason Wilson. Those are two black men that I truly love, value, and appreciate. Jason William is the author of two books, Battle Cry and Cry Like a Man. He's got a great film on ESPN right now, executive produced by Lawrence Fishburne
Starting point is 00:04:40 called The Cave of Almodula. I feel like I'm pronouncing it wrong. I probably am. But The Cave of Almodela. Almodula I'm pronouncing it wrong. I probably am. But The Cave of Almadula. Sounds about right. But he'll get the pronunciation right when he comes here. And you weren't here last time, Jason, was you? No, I wasn't here last time, no. His clips of that interview that we did with him before
Starting point is 00:04:54 go super viral all the time. Remember when Kevin Gates was here and Kevin Gates was talking about, he read the book Cry Like a Man? Yeah, I remember, yeah. Yeah, man. I seen his clips when I seen him, I guess, I guess at his class he was teaching the kid about breaking the board and the kid couldn't break the board
Starting point is 00:05:07 so he was guiding him through it yeah i remember that going viral so yeah he'll be here with us this morning man so a lot of sausage this morning baby it's a sausage party yes and also a director mo mcrae will be joining us he actually directed uh the episode when i was in east new york so he's a director so we'll be talking to him as well. My guy Mo. More sausage. More sausage. More sausage.
Starting point is 00:05:28 You get a sausage. You get a sausage. You get a sausage. Oh my goodness. All right. And also, we got a shout out to Nyla Simone. Nyla, she's going to be joining us. Find me some fish.
Starting point is 00:05:40 I don't know what Nyla identified as, so don't say that. You're right. You know what? Let me not disrespect Nyla. It might be fish. We don't know. Let me not disrespect Ny so don't say that. You're right. You know what? Let me not disrespect Nala. It might be Sons, it might be Fish. We don't know. Let me not disrespect Nala. All right, maybe not.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Nala. I don't know. You're right. She calls herself the pretty little boy. Does she? Yeah. The pretty little boy or pretty tomboy? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:55 It's the pretty tomboy. You're an idiot. My fault. My fault. Well, we're going to start a segment called Pass the Aux, where we're going to be passing her the auxiliary cord, and she's going to be putting us on the new music that's coming out. It could be artists that's out already or some new artists. She's going to be putting us on to some of the new music that's coming on.
Starting point is 00:06:10 She's a young, fresh DJ. You've probably seen her on my late night talk show a hell of a week. You hear her on Power 105.1 in New York. She's got playlists out there and stuff. I can't even call them mixtapes no more. They're playlists. That's right. She'll be up here telling us what's on her playlist this morning.
Starting point is 00:06:24 All right. Well, let's get the show cracking. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Call us up right now. You need to get it off your chest. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:06:35 This is your time to get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Hello. Hey, what's your name? Yo, yo, this is your boy Cap from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Hello. Hey, what's your name, bro? Yo, yo, this is your boy Cap from Huntsville, Alabama. Cap from Huntsville.
Starting point is 00:06:50 What up, brother? What's up, man? How y'all feeling this morning? Good, man. I had a good time. I had a great time when I was out there for my car show. What up, though? Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I know, man. You know, they're going to take the rocket down down here. But anyway, I just called to wish y'all a good day, man. I hope y'all have a blessed week. And Charlamagne, send me a hat and a book, man. I'm going to send you
Starting point is 00:07:09 a Black Effect hat right now. I'm going to put you on hold. Eddie, get his email. Hold on, all right? I got a bunch of them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Appreciate that, man. All right, brother. Bye. Hello, who's this? Hope Bellamy. Hope Bellamy. What's up, Hope Bellamy? Get it off your chest, brother.
Starting point is 00:07:24 What's up? I'm calling it off your chest brother What's up I'm calling from Ocoee, Florida If you're familiar with Ocoee The Ocoee massacre Where they killed You know all these black people Back in the day for voting
Starting point is 00:07:35 Well the good thing about it Is that I'm an ex-felon I got my rights restored to vote And I also turned around And now I'm running for office here in the COE. All right. I'm running for COE.
Starting point is 00:07:50 And it's, like, hard to get our people out to vote. The Democrats outnumbered the Republicans in the city, but we're not getting out and voting. I am cross-bored against, you know, I'm with everybody, every side, people in general. But just getting the numbers out to vote here, it's been like, you know, a huge deficit. Even getting funding, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, grassroots and everything, and I'm doing good. I'm definitely the best candidate for it because I had both sides of the table.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I did 12 years in prison. Now I'm on this side, little 15 years of community work from local level to national level. So my history, my background, it meshes with the population of Koli now. We're not the Koli of the old. We're moving forward,
Starting point is 00:08:37 but it's hard getting our people to understand how important it is to get out and vote for me to move forward. Okay. Well, how can people find out more about what you're running on? Your Instagram, social media, website, whatever. to get out and vote for me to move forward. Okay. Well, how can people find out more what you're running on? Your Instagram, social media, website, whatever.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Your campaign, baby. My website is Hope, H-O-P-E. My last name is Bellamy, B-E-L-L-A-M-Y. It's the word 4-F-O-R, the letter D, 1 at.com. So it's HopeVelomy4D1. Okay, brother. Good luck. Tell them you've been in this country. The hope stands for
Starting point is 00:09:12 helping other people elevate. That's my drug, my high, my addiction. I like that. Good campaign slogan. Hello, who's this? Yo, what up? It's T.R. the 803. What's up from the 803? Metro, what's happening? Get it off your chest, bro. It ain't that.
Starting point is 00:09:26 It's my first time getting through this. Get up. And I'm still talking about the books y'all owe me for last year. God damn it. They still ain't send you a book? Eddie. Man, yeah. Come on, Tyler.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Y'all just put me on hold. Maybe this is all over. It's a little perverse. Well, listen. In our defense, we were moving last year. That's right. So, there was a lot going on. You know what I mean? So, I'm going to get that to you. Well, listen, in our defense, we were moving last year. That's right. So there was a lot going on.
Starting point is 00:09:47 You know what I mean? So I'm going to get that to you. And I'm going to get you a black effect hat too, brother. Hold on. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Good morning. The Breakfast Club. This is your time to get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on The Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? This is Jasmine. Jasmine, all right.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Get it off your chest. Hi, Jasmine. I'm sorry. I was trying to get out of the van with my kids. I drive kids to school. Okay. But I was just trying to get off my chest that I feel like the world should make it a little bit easier
Starting point is 00:10:28 for people with felons needs to get jobs. Yeah, I mean, are you trying to get a job? Is it difficult for you? Or a family member? No, not for me. But for my partner.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It's just hard. He did some things back in the day a long, long time ago. And he's still paying for it, and it's just like it's not okay. What kind of job are you trying to get? And tell him don't lie on his application either. That don't help. No, not at all. What kind of job
Starting point is 00:10:52 are you trying to get? No, he doesn't lie, and at this point, any kind. You know? Just a job that's going to pay and help him be able to provide for the family. What state are you in, Jasmine? Columbus, Ohio. Ohio, yeah. That's one of those ones. You got to lobby your state legislator, dear, to remove the check the box. That's something a lot of states are doing to try to help eradicate that.
Starting point is 00:11:11 It's just so sad because he's so driven and he wants to do it, and then they just keep shooting him down, shooting him down. They'll give him a position and then take it away. It's horrible. Another option, Jasmine, is go around the system and maybe think about entrepreneurship. Think about starting your own. Think about putting yourself in a position where you don't need somebody to sign off and validate you for hiring. What did he get arrested for? If you don't mind me
Starting point is 00:11:33 asking. It was a robbery situation when he was like 18, like 13 years ago. He did all his time. Everything is done. He's a whole new person, but it's like they don't want to give him a chance in the world today. I think I love what Ebony said. I didn't even know that they were doing that. I know people were...
Starting point is 00:11:53 What's that? Remove in the box? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, do they do that in all positions? Like if he's trying to work at certain things, don't they have to go through
Starting point is 00:12:01 your background history? Well, yeah. I was going to say, if he wanted to work for a bank, you know what I mean? Correct. If it was robbery, I'm sure they would have to i was gonna say like if you wanted to work for a bank you know i mean correct it was robbery i'm sure they would have to go in the background i'm sure if you want to work for a bank you got to even have a 700 credit score they'd be tripping you know absolutely yeah because you'll become a fiduciary you know so they want to make sure that you're in good financial standing so that's hard but yeah certain states
Starting point is 00:12:19 are removing that box for that reason so and what's the process of actually wiping uh your record you're talking about an expo so that's an expungement and can you expunge felony i'm in the process of doing that now i saw meek mill get his expunge i'm like yo yeah south carolina what's happening i am an outstanding citizen what's going on i'm not but it's not easy no it's not it's not easy it's possible it's not easy and then when you do it does that mean it's totally expunged like they can't see it regardless or can they still levels there's levels so like for instance i have an expungement remember i told y'all about my deferred prosecution situation when i picked up them stewart whites men when i was 17 in college um so that was expunged ebony was boosting y'all
Starting point is 00:12:58 but when it came time for me to take the bar exam, there was visibility. Got you. Yeah. Of course. And it didn't stop me from being a lawyer. There's lawyers with DUIs, all kinds of stuff. But they're going to permeate that, quote, expungement. All right.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Yeah. All right. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051. Don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy.
Starting point is 00:13:39 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Ladonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tribe own country.
Starting point is 00:13:54 My forefathers did that themselves. What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. that's what my podcast post run high is all about it's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive
Starting point is 00:14:47 even deeper into their stories their journeys and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together you know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout well that's when the real magic happens so if you love hearing real inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all. It's lighthearted, pretty crazy, and very fun. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions,
Starting point is 00:15:35 but you just don't know what is going to come for you. Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself, and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace. Have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. And you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. to hopefully create better allies. Think of it as a black show for non-black people. We discuss everything from prejudice to politics to police violence, and we try to give you the tools to create positive change in your home, workplace, and social circle. Exactly. Whether you're black, Asian, white, Latinx, indigenous, LGBTQIA+, you name it.
Starting point is 00:16:59 If you stand with us, then we stand with you. Let's discuss the stories and conduct the interviews that will help us create a more empathetic, accountable, and equitable America. You are all our brothers and sisters, and we're inviting you to join us for Civic Cipher each and every Saturday with myself, Ramses Jha, Q Ward, and some of the greatest minds in America. Listen to Civic Cipher every Saturday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist who studies human behavior. On my podcast, A Slight Change of Plans, I marry science and storytelling to better understand how to navigate the big changes in our lives.
Starting point is 00:17:40 It was like a slow nightmare, you know, because every day you think, oh, surely tomorrow I'll be better. And I would dream of being better. At night I would dream that my face was quote unquote normal or back to the way it was. And I'd wake up and there'd be no change. I also speak with scientists about how we can be more resilient in the face of change. You can think of the adolescent brain as like this social R&D engine of our culture, that something that looks like risky and idiotic to us is maybe their way of creatively trying to solve the problem of having social success and fewer of the things that bring you social failure.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Listen to A Slight Change of Plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. morning morning morning what's up y'all how are you my brother now if you don't know who mo is you probably know the face he was in nypd blue boston public uh the district cold case the guardian the shield the division csi er uh detroit uh the defendants uh sons of anarchy uh battle creek murder in the first empire pitch tales uh rebel the flight attendant he's an actor with a long resume he has a resume he played in a long resume. He has a long resume, yeah. He played in a lot of cop shows, too. A lot of cop shows. I knew you was going to say something about that.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Do you want to be a cop growing up? Nah. You know, honestly, in the beginning of the cop shows, when I started acting, that was pretty much the only opportunity for young black actors. You don't be on a cop show getting interrogated if you do it or not. So it kind of started off doing a lot of those, and then later ended up getting to play a cop and be a lawyer and all those things but it's what opportunities were in the beginning you know it's so funny i saw when they were announcing the n-double a-c-p image awards i saw the head of the n-double a-c-p he was on with mephi man he's on cbs this
Starting point is 00:19:36 morning with gail king and he said something that people got a little upset about but i understood he was saying he was like mephi man got nominated for playing an attorney, not a criminal. So do you feel like they cast black people in those roles, especially black men, on purpose? In the criminal roles? Yeah, yeah. I think that's a whole, you didn't hit me with the tough questions fresh out the gate. I mean, honestly, I think a lot of it was on purpose because it was telling stories that are taking place in certain environments. And those are the people that inhabit those environments. And I also feel like it was important, like when method is playing those type of roles are we just seeing us depicted
Starting point is 00:20:08 in other lights and other things i remember my grandmother it got to a point where i was doing all that stuff those type of roles he said baby you smart you're so intelligent you're funny you're all these things let's see some of that too wow and when she said that to me it really made me pump the brakes on it it was something i saw chadwick had picked up on really early he's spoken a lot about that where he had to have a little bit more integrity in his work and be an understanding of what these depictions and what this reputation representation actually is so but those bills though now i'm gonna say how difficult is that because you got bills and and it seems like those are far and few.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Yeah, the bills, it's a real thing. And I think that's a struggle of every artist. It's like, how do you maintain that dream but still maintain a roof over your head? And I think that's something all the greats have to navigate and figure out, whether it's music, it's playing ball, whatever it is. You got that big picture dream. What do you do in the interim to keep yourself afloat? So something I end up doing, a lot of people didn't know.
Starting point is 00:21:07 It's like I started working with somebody doing landscaping and just figuring out other things. So you cut grass and acted. I did whatever I had to do. And I also started to hone my craft because that was the biggest issue whenever saying, oh, you can't play a lawyer. I was like, well, why can't I? It was like your diction. So I did speech and diction training. I did all those things to eliminate the no.
Starting point is 00:21:30 So I'm on a show like The Flight Attendant with Kaley Cuoco. I'm a CIA agent on that show. And that's because I put that time into the craft to be able to convincingly convey those other careers and archetypes. Now, when did you know you wanted to be an actor like when was that man i'm from california we can hear it all all in your voice you hear the cali yeah
Starting point is 00:21:51 you know it's it's funny every time i've thought about like when i want to become an actor i feel like it just keeps going further further further back in my life but the first time i really made that decision i got on stage in high school just doing a play had a drama teacher and just taking the class i didn't want to be an actor just end up in the class and he was like you got something special you should get on stage at the time i'm like everybody i want to play ball i want to do all these other things he's like i give you a in the class if you do one little play and i got on stage and that was it there's something about that connection with the audience and look at people in the eye and being expressive in that manner. I was like, that's what I
Starting point is 00:22:27 want to do for the rest of my life. And I was 16 years old when I found it. I just had no idea how hard it was going to be. I thought it was just going to work, but it was crazy difficult. Now, do you see those programs a lot? Because you're from South Central? Yeah, South Central LA. Do you see those programs a lot in the hood, in those areas? Because I just remember growing up in Queens, I don't remember seeing those type of arts. And I don't know if, Charlemagne, you've seen them in South Carolina. Of course, we had the basketball and baseball and football. I don't really see that many.
Starting point is 00:22:54 No, we had theater. I did plays when I was in elementary school. You know, stuff like rock soup. You know what I mean? They had plays. Yeah, it's plays. But I think those specific specific programs that's a good question if you when you think about like outside of the school like i didn't find any exposure to
Starting point is 00:23:11 other arts when i was coming up like my mom did a good job of making sure my brother and my sister we would go to the museum sometimes but in terms of like programs that i think that were really going to add intrinsic value to us outside of like the norm that didn't exist when I was coming out that's why I'm so happy I've been looking into like what LeBron is doing with his school it's a really powerful thing because he's trying to give these uh at risk and these challenged youth opportunities to be exposed to more dynamic things that can really lead to fundamental growth because I didn't have that really when i was growing up and you said your grandmother uh encouraged you to you know do better roles right and you you're writing uh and directing a lot of nothing yes so just one of them ones when you were writing this
Starting point is 00:23:55 did you have grandma in mind i had everybody in mind man when i wrote this feast it's a lot of nothing this film it's super autobiographical in a lot of ways i just pull from my life like and researching and thinking about all the greats in art no matter what the discipline is the greatest thing you could do is pull from what you know so it's inspired by me my first love my close friends my brother and all the things that are happening in the world all these injustices and these travesties and and so i was like okay how can i make a story with the things that i know and that we all experiencing that could still be funny and dangerous and thrilling and that's what the movie is i was thinking about everybody when i wrote the
Starting point is 00:24:33 film what made you get behind the camera for for people that don't know uh i was in east new york and you actually let's go envy let's go people know you on these he's trying to be they might not recognize him he got an old job since you know cbs made him get an old job no that's true that's not true that's not but you actually directed that episode and for people that don't know it wasn't like uh at first they you know they called and said if i want this i would have to try out for the part and i had to i had to do it in front of you and and the executives yes so what made you first want to get behind the camera and then i want you to tell people about my how good you were my audition yeah well first of all shout out to my man harry oh harry who connected us man like which is an important thing in this whole process too is
Starting point is 00:25:15 relationships and cultivating good relationships out of reciprocity value of looking out for people that look out for you but i wanted to get behind the camera because I'm an artist you know I'm not just an actor I do photography I write I want to learn to draw one day I tell stories and so I realized I just focused on my acting I was kind of putting myself in a box it's not anybody else was putting me in a box I was putting myself in a box I was limiting the scope of what I could do and how I could tell stories. And I was fascinated with it all. So I started studying, shadowing all the great directors I was able to work with, going to YouTube University, spending tons of my own money as an actor that I was making
Starting point is 00:25:55 to buy cameras and to make short films because I wanted to tell stories. I wanted to give people the thing that Spike Lee, John Singleton, the Coen brothers, Steven Spielberg, the thing that those directors gave john singleton the coen brothers uh steven spielberg the thing that those directors gave to me those experiences i want to give to other people so i made my first film so i'm making all those shorts and doing east new york right now well how did you get east new york because i mean and did anybody know east new york was going to be so big because i mean it's a show that people genuinely love man uh the, I don't think you ever really know how big something is going to be. I end up getting East New York because, oddly enough, this is how investing in yourself pays off.
Starting point is 00:26:34 A Lot of Nothing, this feature film that I have coming out, it started as a short film. And I spent like 40 G's on this short film at a time when I didn't really have the bread. But I was like, people are like, why are you spending so much money because i need to show my vision because everybody always saying they want to do stuff like mo stick to what you do and like i want to direct they like stick to what you do so now show them the vision they were like oh this is special so the executive producer on east new york mike robin he saw my short film like five years ago something like that he saw that short film and so he had me direct the television show for him a couple years ago and crushed it show called All Rise and then when East New York came around as soon as it got green lit he was like Mo I need
Starting point is 00:27:18 you to come and do this show and so from him seeing my short film then what I did on this other show is what led him to calling me and giving me the opportunity to not only direct, but produce East New York. All right. We have more with Moe McRae when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Moe McRae. He's director of CBS's East New York. He did, I think, a bunch of episodes.
Starting point is 00:27:51 One of them I'm actually in, and he's in a host of series. Now, when they called for East New York, they said that at first you were looking for somebody else to play the role, DJ Authentic. Yes. And then I guess you decided to give me a shot. So what was that process? I never knew. They just told me to tell you why I wanted to give me a shot. So what was that process? I never knew. You want me to tell you why I wanted to give you a shot? But the role said Dominican 45.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Did you not say that? No, you know what it was? Like a big thing about me in art is authenticity, right? And so you have this show that's set in New York and it's tapping into the culture, like the zeitgeist of people that want to see what's happening in New York right now. So we're talking to my guy, Harry O, who's just like, who are those people that represent that?
Starting point is 00:28:31 Who's the DJ that could be a snitch? Yo, shut up. Who's the DJ in New York that potentially could be a snitch? Shut up, guys. Who could bring that? Who could bring that energy? Who's that person that people gonna see
Starting point is 00:28:42 and be like, that's dope. But also, it has to be somebody that's gonna take it serious, which is why we had to do the read and i'm gonna give you some i'm gonna give you to talk about some real stuff right here where a lot of people get opportunities to do things but they bring too much ego to the party their pretense they come with all that so they're not willing to respect this so people you big in this world over here you get an invitation to come over here and do something else you show up like nah i'm not gonna do this i'm me and what was amazing about my envy about you bro is you came in with so much humility and reverence for what's happening in the film and tv world and was
Starting point is 00:29:16 like okay whatever the process is i respect it and you did the work you had your lines memorized you had a point of view you had a perspective and as soon as i saw that i'm like oh you're my guy next year next year he got an old job now but that was the most difficult part was the humility right because i've been doing this for a long time i've been djing for a long time i've been snitching for a long time i know how to snitch in new york so when somebody when you do something and somebody tells you that's not right it makes you feel a way because really absolutely i wouldn't feel that way it made me feel a little because i say you wouldn't feel that way like i know i'm not an actor
Starting point is 00:29:55 so i would want that game i would but that's what i want to tell me when i'm not but that's what i overdid it i'm like guide me tell me which way i should do it how do you feel about this how you feel about that that's why you know with the episode i'm like you know me. Tell me which way I should do it. How do you feel about this? How do you feel about that? That's why, you know, with the episode, I'm like, you know, I was asking and I'm reading your lines while you're saying your lines. So I know when to come in my lines and I'm asked, do I say it like this? Am I supposed to be smooth? Am I supposed to be scared? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:14 So you want to go through it. And then I had to do it. I had to audition in front of him. I had to audition in front of the executives. And it's like, you don't know how it is. So I always appreciate the opportunity. I think that's part of scratching yourself, right? Like when you talk about
Starting point is 00:30:25 that ladder that Denzel was talking about, like some people get to a certain, you know, level on the ladder and they think there's nowhere else to go and it's like,
Starting point is 00:30:32 because you ain't looking up. Exactly. They get fat on that position so they can't go up and when you get that much weight on you, what happens? Gravity kicks in
Starting point is 00:30:40 and you're going to come down. That's right. So I think you got to constantly be challenging yourself. Because oftentimes, I was talking to somebody about this recently, like people talk about the culture. The culture, just do this for the culture. And I find myself right now wondering, are we really challenging the culture?
Starting point is 00:30:56 Are we stretching the culture? Are we like, even something like the whole snitching thing, right? Like, why is snitching so bad? Why are we still treating snitching like it's a bad thing that's something to question i will i don't because i'm not in the street i could care less who's an informant or not you know what i mean but i also look at it as there is crime prevention i think the the the code is if you're in the street and you're doing dirt and you know you're doing dirt with somebody and y'all did it together and then you snitch to save
Starting point is 00:31:25 yourself and that person goes down i can understand that if you live that life but for people who are just want to keep the community safe i don't have a problem with that yeah call the police if you don't i will yeah exactly do what you need to do and then also challenge the systems that create such like lack and desperation where people are committing crimes to eat like let's look at that don't talk about stop snitching let's stop the systems that create all this lack it was a real issue to me real since to me is the person who told on that Turner yes a real sense to me is the purse the others the other enslaved person who told on Denmark Vesey and the slave revolt he was trying to put together like that's us snitch those are
Starting point is 00:32:04 the ones that we should punish my death you set us the slavery vote he was trying to put together. Like, that's a snitch. Those are the ones that we should punish by death. Yeah, because you set us back. That's right. You told on a person that was trying to lift us up. That's right. Why would you do that? That's right.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Why would you do that? That's right. But I also say, I don't have a problem being a snitch. Like, if you need me to come back and snitch on some more people,
Starting point is 00:32:17 I don't have a problem doing that. We know. That's why you got the role. I'm just saying. Crush it. Snitch game on 10. It's been right there. It was him right there.
Starting point is 00:32:23 So what's next for you? Because you're doing more episodes of East New York. Yes. And of course, you got a lot of nothing. So explain how many more episodes y'all start shooting yet? I just finished directing episode 14. So I'm doing that right now on the show. And I'm just talking about the film.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Because I think this movie, a lot of nothing. It's like, it's not like anything that's ever really been made. What would you call it? Is it horror? Is it thriller? it's a satirical thriller and this is the combination because it's equal parts funny and serious it's it's uh it's scary and it's but it's dynamic it's interesting it's one of those films you can't see it without talking about it afterwards because the subject matter is real heavy you got a a married couple who's watching the news one night and sees an unarmed motorist is killed by a police officer and at the end of that news segment they reveal the identity of the officer and it's their next door neighbor
Starting point is 00:33:15 so then they pose with that question because i always thought about it like we get all so upset when something go wrong first thing we do is go to social media what happens if the problem is right next door what would you do then that's right then how do you handle that problem on top of all the problems you already got in your own relationship right and that's what the film is it's like all those things come together in a real crazy way and you got nominated uh for nwacp image award i did stand and break through creative how creative. How did that feel? Because that's directing, so that's different. Yeah, I mean, I get emotional just thinking about the journey, right? Because this whole thing about breakthrough, that specific word, that category,
Starting point is 00:33:54 my whole philosophy on life has been about not being in a box because I realized nobody could put me in a box. I put myself in a box. And as soon as I adapted that mentality and started living outside of of that these kind of things start to happen so it's just been affirmation it's humbling you know i mean it's an honor to be acknowledged for a breakthrough creative emotion picture it's something that was so challenging to do like making a movie is hard especially if you care about the details and so to get that acknowledgement i'm thankful for the cast and everybody involved to make that happen it's been beautiful i like what you said just now because i i think about that right like
Starting point is 00:34:28 i think sometimes um we listen to the world instead of listening to god oh yeah and so a lot of times we do things because we that's what everybody is telling us we should do yeah but what is god telling you to do you know i mean everybody else might be like i don't stay in your box stay in your lane no don't do anything else. But God is like, no, go direct. And that thing, like, and God speaks to me a lot through my wife. You got a black wife?
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yeah. You just got to make sure, brother. Why you acting like that? What happened if he said no? What did he say after that? I just got to make sure. If he said no, what do you say after that?
Starting point is 00:34:57 Thanks for seeing you, Mo. No. Thank you. Oh, man. Jesus. That's a whole crazy thing. But yeah, my wife is black. She's beautiful. She's a movie star. but yeah my wife is black she's beautiful she's a movie star she's in my movie like scott davis shout out to my wife yeah i had to do that
Starting point is 00:35:12 union minimum i got it little arrangement. I'm going to sag to find out something like that. Don't worry, I got it. I got it. We appreciate you for joining us. Where can they check out A Lot of Nothing? Are we in theaters? So we're in New York, LA, all the big cities. We're going to be everywhere.
Starting point is 00:35:38 But yeah, it's in theaters. It's going to be on demand as well. So if you don't want to go see it in the theater, which I advise you to do because it's a movie you want to see on a big screen just the filmmaking is incredible turns like everybody that came together like i got geniuses that came and donated and gave love to help make this movie so it's theaters on demand and east new york is on cbs uh 9 30 and all that let us know let us know how to buy or get a theater for a lot of nothing. Let us know and we'll get a theater. And do a screening.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Yep. Yo. Definitely, for sure. That mean a lot. 100%. Maybe Sunday night. Okay. Sunday night,
Starting point is 00:36:12 opening weekend. Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it. I appreciate that. No, done. Let's do it. All right. Well, it's Mo McRae.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Mo, look. She did it. I'm acting. I'm acting. If you need me. If you need me. She did it. What's up?
Starting point is 00:36:24 Oh, man. And before I get out of here, let me let y'all know what y'all are doing is so important and meaningful, man. And I know it's a lot of laughs and jokes, but what y'all create and what you guys provide here is so important because so many people would not be acknowledged and recognized if not for y'all doing what you do and the way that you do it. So it's an honor for me to be here, and it's all love. I appreciate it. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Well, it's The Breakfast Club.
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Starting point is 00:37:33 What? When three, four inches of snow hit the D, shut down. You know what I mean? But it's like that in the South because the South isn't equipped for snow. Yeah, there's no plows. There's no salt. There's nothing that's really bad out there. You know the reverse of that up here?
Starting point is 00:37:44 Hurricanes. Because Hurricane Sandy, it was like a little punk to us in South Carolina. It was a little punk-ass tropical storm. Correct. Shut the city down of New York. It did. So snow to the south is what hurricanes are to up north. I got you.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Three to four inches, man. It may not seem like much. To you. To anybody. To you. Well, let's let them know you up north was. Y'all used to getting more inches, right? At least seven. At least seven. God, that's open up you up in the office. Y'all used to getting more inches, right? At least seven.
Starting point is 00:38:05 At least seven. God, that's what I'm talking about, Envy. That's why you are who you are. Now tell them how to make it in this business. D.L. Hughley will be joining us next, man. We're going to be with D.L. Hughley. So don't move. I hate this guy, man.
Starting point is 00:38:21 It's Friday. Freaky, freaky, freaky Friday. Oh, man. It's the Breakfast Club. Good man. It's Friday. Freaky, freaky, freaky. Oh, man. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy.
Starting point is 00:38:34 We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. The brother D.L. Hughley. Welcome. What's up? I like your furniture. You tell somebody, oh, man.
Starting point is 00:38:47 They can make the company all the good stuff come out it is it is well y'all ladies we're gonna have to call y'all a brunch club i was wondering about that before you walked in i said man i know dl time man that daily show takes somebody man i'm not used to being that disciplined having to read stuff and practice and practice so you have to get a south african to do. I'm like, I don't know. Are you writing your own stuff? Yeah, a lot of it. A lot of it. I mean, like the stuff,
Starting point is 00:39:10 some of the stuff that I, you know, because I wanted to do today's show because there was so much happening from a communal standpoint, from a cultural standpoint, and I never felt like anybody who had actually seen
Starting point is 00:39:21 some of the things that were happening was kind of guiding us through the experience. And then, of course, the man that I do the things that were happening was kind of guiding us through the experience. And then, of course, the man that I do the show, then we have Tyree Nichols. Yeah, of course. Tough week to start with that one. It was, man.
Starting point is 00:39:32 It was, but it's so familiar. Yeah. It's so, like, I've been, I'll be 59 next month, and I've been watching black people do the ice as I was two. In the same way. And it's always the craziest thing. And this is the first time i've ever seen somebody from the oval office go to the funeral of somebody slain by the police i don't respect it
Starting point is 00:39:51 i'm gonna tell you why i don't respect it there's no way i could be anybody from the white house whether you vice president kamala has our president biden and sit up in them people face and no i'm not doing everything i can to make things like the george floyd policing yeah past like what do you tell the family when the family says, what are y'all going to do? You just said it. They've been killing us forever. Like, what do you think of that? Well, that means that America, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:40:12 America doesn't think there's anything wrong. They just don't. They don't think there's anything wrong. Every time something happens, the first thing people do is rush to tell me how not all policemen are like that. That's the first thing. Invariably, somebody's going to have that conversation. Oh, not all policemen are like that. We're not even talking about y'ably, somebody's going to have that conversation. Oh, not all policemen
Starting point is 00:40:25 are like that. We're not even talking about you. We're talking about the ones who is like this. Yeah. But no one ever says all black men are like that. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:40:31 So they have no problem painting us with one broad brush, but they always want, they get to be individuals. We have to be a group. That's right. So how do you handle it on a daily show, right?
Starting point is 00:40:40 You're hosting all week. It's so, so much to talk about, but do you make it lighthearted a little bit? Do you get serious about it? What are you doing? I think that humor only works when it sticks to it. I don't think that
Starting point is 00:40:49 I did find it ironic that they arrested him so fast, and I wonder why that was. I saw that. I saw that. And with the white cop, would he have got arrested if people weren't complaining about it? Well, I'd probably not. But you know, all of this stuff is just happenstance. I don't know. I can't prove a negative. I can't prove that this would have happened opposite.
Starting point is 00:41:06 I know that all of them were black. I know that they acted in a way that was not consistent with the way I've seen them act. Ultimately, it ain't going to matter until these things happen. And we see a lot of policemen walking out in handcuffs when they do stuff like this. But let me ask you a question. You know, we always talk about we want people in the community that look like us, right? We want people on the force that look like this. But let me ask you a question. You know, we always talk about, we want people in the community that look like us, right? We want people on the force that look like us. We want people as lawyers and judges that look
Starting point is 00:41:30 like us. These brothers look like us, right? They were Omega Psi Phi, right? From the community, like us. Well, I'm an Omega and I will tell you this. Those three men were Omegas, but the man who's trying to get family justice is an Omega too. So it's really reflective.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Clarence Thomas looked like us. But I think that the predicate is, we can have disagreements. But one of the things that I take umbrage with is that you can have a political disagreement or philosophical. But on the other side, the predicate is they hate us. They can't just be disagreements. You've got to tell you how you're wrong and how you're bad. Like Jason Whitlock, some of the stuff he says that's self-hate How do you how do you shape your mouth to say something was a black woman's like he they always find the way
Starting point is 00:42:16 To make us more insidious and I think we can have disagreements, right? But why would it why is he predicate hate then you got to despise us in order for them to accept you? Mm-hmm, you know, that's people say uh it's not about race in this situation it's about the system no it's about race yeah because this country does not value black bodies right regardless regardless at all and they've done such a good job of not valuing black bodies that some of us don't value ourselves that's why those five cops can do that to a brother like that i they would not do that to a white man well until we see it i've never seen it i've never seen it the thing about it this this you can you can we have so little respect i'm not in that group i respect black people live and i hope that you know everybody in this room
Starting point is 00:42:57 does but there are people when you those men weren't purple and gold for omega they weren't black for they before they were anything they black. They were blue that day. And they did with their cameras on. And they didn't try to get that man aid. Those men were 300 pounds. If that's elite, who the f*** was not? If that's the elite,
Starting point is 00:43:14 and they were young men. How did you get to be on the force that little time and get that kind of assignment? Unless your assignment is to be brutal to black people. I almost feel like they did it before because, you know, it's, oh,
Starting point is 00:43:23 even if I'm a beat, I'm going to leave my camera on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't care or I never got in trouble for it before. Why would you? This is the Scorpion unit.
Starting point is 00:43:33 This is what we're supposed to do. We wrecking shop. You can't even blame, and you're right, Charlemagne, it is about the system that has created this thing. Like, and every time I turn around, somebody's telling us
Starting point is 00:43:42 how hard the police got it. Like, Barack Obama went to the funeral of five slain police officers it is politically dangerous to go to a funeral of a dead black i watched kamala harris i was i watched it was i think it was a george floyd thing i watched her go to a gay pride parade and a float went by but she wouldn't go to like i'm serious like it was a dude with a rainbow thong on a float going by but going to a black funeral was too like that's yeah that's right so i think that there is a way that we are seeing even in death we look politically dangerous to people like how is it dangerous if this is wrong and we all say it's wrong right then we all say but i'm gonna send you flowers
Starting point is 00:44:21 i'll put you in the booth when i'm giving a state of the union address but i'm not gonna come to the funeral and cry with you. All these things is divine province at all these things. So I'm hoping that this is indicative of what is to come. The one thing that hurts my feelings is every time I turn around, when a young black man or young black woman is killed, the mothers and parents and families rush to humanize them. They got to show them skateboarding.
Starting point is 00:44:44 They got to, and they, they always, no, no, he's not like you think. He's not like the other ones. There's always this. He don't got no tattoos on his face. He ain't never killed nobody. They always have to rush to humanize them.
Starting point is 00:44:54 But they have to because I feel like the police department does it the other way. The press does it the other way. He got arrested when he was five for doing this. That's what they do. Have you ever noticed? No, this is just statistically true. For a profession, police officers have a higher rate of drug abuse, domestic violence, alcohol abuse. But I get tested when I do something wrong. The dude who shot, I know his drug.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Like, that's because we don't want to know things. There's an instance many times because they get 30, they get to three to four weeks off before they have to answer questions if i got if my wife bossing me with another broad you gave me four weeks to come up with something i'd be all right hold on a minute so they set it up so these things can continue to happen when i see tim scott isn't when we can't even say that it's wrong to choke and get it down what's the conversation about like the choco we can't even ban the choco wrong to choke and get a death. What's the conversation about? Like the choco. We can't even ban the choco.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Of course, if you're fighting for your life, all bets are off. I don't care. I'm going to bite you. I'm going to choke you. Whatever. But as a matter of policy, we can't say that choking people, that putting your arm and cutting off their air supply is something we shouldn't do. I agree with you man listen i think one of the the most interesting things that has ever happened in this country is the fact that psychologically they have convinced people that black folks are the problem that black folks are dangerous out of all the
Starting point is 00:46:15 heinous stuff you done seen white people do throughout the world historically they scared us yeah how and when it comes to the police y'all got the gun y'all got the batons y'all got the pepper spray y'all got everything why are y'all afraid but you're supposed to teach my children i'm supposed to teach my children how to treat you as opposed and you're the pro but we live in a country right now where you're pretty much unanimously they voted for juneteenth but they they're against teaching slavery right which is crazy because juneteenth, I don't want my children to learn about slavery at school, which is stupid because school is out the first week of June. Juneteenth is the 9th of June.
Starting point is 00:46:50 So if your children learn about slavery, they're in summer school and they ain't going to make it no damn way. Like, Juneteenth, if you've got to go to school in the summer, you're a dumbass dude. And Juneteenth is a federal holiday. That means more white people up on Juneteenth than us. Yeah. I think on Juneteenth, white people should have to work that day for free. All day. All day for free.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Where are my kids? I'm selling them. Because that's what slavery day. That's what you do. All right, we got more with D.L. Hughley. When we come back, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:47:19 It's DJ Envy, Charlemagne the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. The brother D.L. Hughley. Welcome. What's up? Now, I ran into you at the White House.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Yeah. What are your thoughts on Joe Biden and the job he's doing right now? Listen, listen. I've never seen anybody, and I had this conversation with Charlemagne, with a limited number of seats in the House and the Senate at that time passed such legislation. I've never seen it happen. And you could talk about whether you like him or don't like him. But Barack Obama had a super majority and couldn't get a lot of this stuff done. So I think he had a political courage to do it. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:47:58 I defy you at a time in history. And even people on the right will say this, that took that menial amount of numbers and and had such significant legislation it's never happened so i think those years and years and years of being a senator taught him that but i think the thing that that people have to understand is that we're in a fight to convince people that we are human human how is it that you don't want me to learn like enslaved people at one point couldn't learn it was illegal for them to learn now in many places it's illegal to learn about enslaved people the only reason you don't want history taught is because you plan on repeating it this is this is and so this is a fight for us to exist and i think that people who are in the middle you know politics is tools a gun is a tool it depends on who's hands it in what they're using it for politics is tools. A gun is a tool. It depends on
Starting point is 00:48:45 who's hands it in and what they're using it for. And so, I just think it's a very serious thing and I think that for me, comedically, when white people
Starting point is 00:48:54 were mad the little mermaid was black, I'm like, all them slaves you throw over, there's got to be somebody black.
Starting point is 00:48:58 That's right. Where do you think that crab get his hair braided at? I'm sure it's a Nigerian lady with a booth down there right now. Black castor oil. I often wonder, you know, when it comes to all of that stuff, do they care about us learning about our history
Starting point is 00:49:13 or do they care more about their kids learning about what, you know, their ancestors did? Maybe, maybe. I think, I can't tell, but like when I see the things that happened, that's why I'm so glad the Cowboys lost. I am. Stop. You and me both.
Starting point is 00:49:27 I am. I am. Not because I always hated them anyway, but I did. I did. But when we are going back in history, Cosby went to jail. I think he did it. I'm not going to even equivocate. But we went back 50, 60 years in his history.
Starting point is 00:49:42 But Jerry Jones, we can't go back 50, 60 years in his history. He's held liable for the things he did back then. And so we have to have a consistent way of doing things. You know, Ray Rice, he physically assaulted his wife. But Dana White beat his wife and he get a commercial called, I mean, he get a show called
Starting point is 00:49:59 Power Slap. So maybe that wasn't even an ass whooping. Maybe that was just a promo. I don't know. But you can't tell me we we look these things in the face and nobody says anything and i just wonder why we can see things are obviously different for you depending on where you come from what your experiences are and we pretend like we don't know those things exist and that's why for me i'll be feeling like it's a slippery slope right because it's like damn y'all go back and do that to jerry jones you who's going to get the brunt of that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Us. Yeah. When they start doing that, they start going all the way back to elementary school. But they already do. That's what they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.
Starting point is 00:50:30 They already do. You're right. You're right. So when you get killed, you get killed a couple of times. When a black person gets killed, they kill his memory. They kill everything he did right.
Starting point is 00:50:39 They kill his family. That's right. They have to kill him. A coward. They say a coward dies a thousand deaths. A black man dies two thousand. Because everything about him that was decent, good, or righteous, they have to destroy. And we're complicit in it.
Starting point is 00:50:51 When we say things like black on black crime, crime is about proximity. The dangerous thing is when it's a stranger. Why is it that we keep the notion alive that it is us that are particularly more insidious than anybody else? When they say well you know we like crabs in the bucket crabs don't belong in the bucket that's the problem you put them in an environment anything would do that the crime is not about color or it's about poverty show me a safe poor place that's right but everybody always acts like we're particularly insidious and when i hear people, it's so galling to me.
Starting point is 00:51:26 They give credence to these notions. The term black-on-black crime comes from a Chicago Defender article in, what, 1970, where a black dude was talking about it, and they coined it, and then all of a sudden we used it on ourselves. I hate that one, and I hate we are our own worst enemy. No, we're not. You might be number two, but white supremacy is number one. Absolutely, and everything is a result of that. Everything is a result of that.
Starting point is 00:51:47 It's not even hard for me. So for me, the Daily Show, I'm going to talk some s*** and I'm going to make some people nervous. Would you want to do that permanently, though? Only if I could do it my way. Okay. What's your way? This way. I want to say what I believe.
Starting point is 00:51:59 You'd give up the road and everything? No, I would never give up the road. Okay, okay. You know what? Because that's the only place I can't get fired from. You ain't going to make it. you ain't gonna make me and i gotta be home with my family all the time oh no does that make you nervous at all with the road now with everybody being so sensitive and with everybody's camera out no i think it's changing man i think it's really going back i
Starting point is 00:52:20 think people are over it i think people are over it i know they're irritated yeah i think it's i think it's i think it's going back there yeah well you know here's the thing you can't really cancel anybody anyway how many times has tucker carlson been canceled or sean hannity been canceled or kanye been canceled you can't really cancel nobody because people that f**k with them well you know what the people that f**k with them gonna f**k with them all you gotta do is make a dope shoe how though with what i don't know i don't know. Pay for a chair at the house? To me, I'm not f***ing with you no more. Ever.
Starting point is 00:52:49 To me, it's a really simple thing. If you say the things that enabled them to hurt my people, I will never f*** with you again. Ever. On any level. Y'all never spoke after y'all went back and forth? We did that night. The night when all this happened.
Starting point is 00:53:00 We didn't talk after that. Because it evolved into a shouting match. Listen, I think much like we're holding the policemen who did these things responsible, even though they were black,
Starting point is 00:53:10 we have to hold people that harm us because they're black. That's right. Holding them responsible. Don't tell me it's mental illness because if it was,
Starting point is 00:53:16 Delonte West would be saying the same that Kanye West do. And that live under a bridge. You know what I'm saying? You know how crazy you gotta be to make a Kardashian
Starting point is 00:53:24 fuck a white dude? You know who that is? He literally fucked up a stereotype. Once you know how crazy you gotta be to make a Kardashian fuck a white dude you know who that is he literally fucked up a stereotype once you go black you never go back unless I mean
Starting point is 00:53:33 unless you go white you can say the most harmful shit ever that Hitler all of you you humanize Hitler and you forget
Starting point is 00:53:40 you have black children and you're dating a woman from the caucus mountains but it isn't what he says. It's what they... He literally emboldens them. Now they're using the words he say
Starting point is 00:53:51 to hurt people who look like me or you. What bothers me the most about that situation, you know, regardless of how you feel about Jewish people, if you black, man, what about the stuff he said about Rosa Parks? What about the stuff he said about Malcolm X? What the... Like, come on, bro. What he said about Rosa Parks? What about the stuff he said about Malcolm X? What the fuck? Like, come on, bro.
Starting point is 00:54:05 What is it? What he said about George Floyd? George Floyd. And here's the thing that makes me mad when those types say things about George Floyd. If you are in media, you're making in terms of advertisement dollars before George Floyd, look at it after. You were getting, no matter what platform you're on, I don't care because even if they were going to make a marketing buy, they dedicated more of it to the african-american market yeah all because of the
Starting point is 00:54:29 whole george floyd thing so people they all over him and eat off the corpses they bury are even more in cities because they know it's no denying that that black body was green you got rich because of that if you're giving money out to platforms you got to make sure X amount of his conservative platform soon if they black so stop telling me he made people make way more money than they were making but then you get advertised you never got before I know I do not do that with other businesses exactly exactly black alliances so they needed to hide more so from that blacks black body being slain like that, you had a financial windfall and you were all over him.
Starting point is 00:55:11 F*** you forever. Forever. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. It's a real thing for me. All right, well, don't move. We got more with D.O. Hughley. When we come back, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, A little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this. It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Laudonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Capraburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. Why can't I create my own country? My forefathers did that themselves.
Starting point is 00:55:52 What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder, you know, with explosive warheads. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help!
Starting point is 00:56:04 We need help! We need help! We still have the off-road portion to go. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. And we're losing daylight fast. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, guys. I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those
Starting point is 00:56:33 runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. You know that rush of endorphins you feel after a great workout? Well, that's when the real magic happens. So if you love hearing real, inspiring stories from the people you know, follow, and admire, join me every week for Post Run High. It's where we take the conversation beyond the run and get into the heart of it all it's light-hearted pretty crazy and very fun listen to post run high on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts As a kid, I really do remember having these dreams and visions, but you just don't know what is going to come for you.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Alicia Keys opens up about conquering doubt, learning to trust herself and leaning into her dreams. I think a lot of times we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves. For self-preservation and protection, it was literally that step by step. And so I discovered that that is how we get where we're going. This increment of small, determined moments. Alicia shares her wisdom on growth, gratitude, and the power of love. I forgive myself. It's okay. Like grace, have grace with yourself. You're trying your best and you're going to figure out the rhythm of this thing. Alicia Keys, like you've never heard her before. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's up? This is
Starting point is 00:58:23 Ramses Jha. And I go by the name Q Ward. And we'd like you to join us each week for our show Civic Cipher. That's right. We're going to discuss social issues, especially those that affect Black and Brown people, but in a way that informs and empowers all people to hopefully create better allies. Think of it as a Black show for non-Black people.
Starting point is 00:58:39 We discuss everything from prejudice to politics to police violence, and we try to give you the tools to create positive change in your home, workplace, and social circle. Exactly. Whether you're Black, Asian, White, Latinx, Indigenous, LGBTQIA+, you name it. If you stand with us, then we stand with you. Let's discuss the stories and conduct the interviews that will help us create a more empathetic, accountable, and equitable America. You are all our brothers and sisters, and we're inviting you to join us for Civic Cipher each and every Saturday
Starting point is 00:59:09 with myself, Ramses Jha, Q Ward, and some of the greatest minds in America. Listen to Civic Cipher every Saturday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, my little creeps. It's your favorite ghost host, Teresa. And guess what? wherever you get your podcast. because we've got a ghoulishly good lineup ready for you. Let's just say things get a bit extra. We're talking spirits, demons, and the kind of supernatural chaos that'll make your spooky season complete. You know how much I love this time of year.
Starting point is 00:59:55 It's the one time I'm actually on trend. So grab your pumpkin spice, dust off that Ouija board, just don't call me unless it's urgent, and tune in for new episodes every week. Remember, the veils are thin, the stories are spooky, and your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with D.L. Hughley. Charlamagne? What's harder, doing The Daily Show or that? Remember the CNN show? People forget that you had a CNN show back then.
Starting point is 01:00:35 I don't. Nothing is hard for me if you don't f*** with me. And they have a great... Here's the thing about the staff over there. They're a machine. They know what they're doing. Yeah, you're just inserting yourself into something that's already moving. They can do that for anybody. They're a machine they know what they're doing yeah you're just inserting yourself into something they can do that for anybody they're a machine to me it only matters to me the only thing that matters to me is when events like this like i want to have
Starting point is 01:00:52 fun i want to do jokes i do but when events like this happen i want you want to do yeah i do i want to i want to have fun and hang out i do but great job but there needs to be somebody not my his experience aren't necessarily. And I feel entitled to speak about these because I've seen it. I've been through it. And I just want whatever, whoever they get. You got to be able to be ambidextrous. I can bet right or left.
Starting point is 01:01:15 We can be light or we'd be heavy. But when things like this happen, you know, there's 68 percent of Americans have their political views shaped by satire, which is comedy. Absolutely. I read a lot about that yesterday. Why would I not? When a moment's like this, these moments aren't just
Starting point is 01:01:31 vainglorious. Comedy's a reflection. We're showing people things when it's done right, when it's done. And I just want whoever does it, and all these guys
Starting point is 01:01:39 are very talented, but they speak about things from 20,000 feet up. I want somebody who's been in the trenches to see what happened. Do you ever get tired? Because, you know, if you follow DL,
Starting point is 01:01:49 you post everything that's going on in the community and a lot of it sometimes is depressing. And I'm like, damn, do you ever get tired? Do you have to take a mental break sometimes? No, because you know what's funny? My wife don't like to talk to me. My kids be like, I'll call people five o'clock and be like, hey, guess what?
Starting point is 01:02:04 Guess what happened? And I commend you for even talking about like to talk to me my kids be like i'll call people five o'clock and guess what guess what happened when you and i and i and i commend you for even talking about having to take a mental break but for me it is irresponsible to know a thing to believe a thing and to not say a thing i don't think i could stop myself if i tried that's what i'm saying so to me it's irresponsible but i do feel like all the DMs you get, did you know the story? It's like I was telling Ben Crump, I was like, this is like that kid on Sixth Sense.
Starting point is 01:02:30 I see dead people all the time. Like nobody ever tells me good shit. And you feel like you got to speak for people, right? Like even somebody like Ben Crump. Like Ben Crump gets a lot of flack. But I'm like, well, who else is doing the work? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:02:40 It ain't Ben's fault. No. It ain't Ben's fault that he's the black lawyer to go to for everybody. Why don't people stop? You know, it's funny. It ain't Ben's fault that he's the black lawyer to go to for everybody. Why don't people stop? You know what's funny? Bakari Sellers has stepped up a lot, too. Yeah, and I think what's funny to me is, like, I should be proud, in theory, that two black men were running for the Senate in Georgia.
Starting point is 01:02:57 But when it's such a disparity, like, I have a simple rule. If I can beat you in the spelling bee, you can't have my vote. Like, to be a spokesperson, you got to know how to spoke. Like, every time this dude say anything, I thought I was watching Fat Album. Did this just say, hey, for you, Bagaiba? Not only do I think Herschel Walker should never have been even close to being a senator, I don't think they should leave that at home with the pilot light on. I ain't going to lie.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Somebody dropping the ball, though. Herschel need to be somebody political pundit. Yeah. I need to see Herschel on TV. Right. Talking during the week. I'm not gonna lie. Somebody dropping the ball, though. Herschel need to be somebody political pundit. Yeah. I need to see Herschel on TV. Right. Talking during the week. I'm not even joking. Why has Fox not put him on yet?
Starting point is 01:03:30 Because. Because. Here's the thing. They would never hire him for their company or let him date their daughter. But he was okay. Never. He would never be the spokesperson for their company or a member of their family. But I don't even blame Herschel,
Starting point is 01:03:45 because from the moment he showed any level of aptitude, he was taken away from black people. He was given deferential treatment. This dude could beat up white women. You see that? He could actually beat white women. And he ain't even Dana White. This dude could beat white women,
Starting point is 01:03:57 and everybody know it and still vote for him. Whatever he did transcended race. So if I had that experience, of course I would think that it didn't exist. Well, I would say it transcends race until it doesn't ask oj you know what i'm saying but her so went from the sticks to white women i'm telling you they never uh they didn't even get mad at everything you said about literally if we're talking donald trump is everything they hate about black people they love they love him. Everything.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Like he lies. He don't pay his bills. He got kicked out of public housing, got evicted, wouldn't leave, and stole from workers last day. But they love him. You know what, though? I do say that's one thing I feel like we should learn from Republicans is like they don't focus on individualism. No. Because they know that collectively, if Trump president, he's going to do their bidding.
Starting point is 01:04:48 If Hershel is in the Senate seat, he's going to do their bidding. We focus too much on individualism. Like, I think we should start focusing on the collective. Or make the country see the world the way we do. I cannot stand that I'm living in a world where I have a granddaughter and children and I'm watching. And I can't stand that I can't seem to make the world better for the people I love. That's right. That's what's frustrating to me. That's right. But you are nobody by evolving, by being
Starting point is 01:05:12 who you are now. Yeah, but a part that I played in it, like when I saw what they did to Megan, the stallion, like there are three things black people should do. OJ did it, Kanye hates it, and Tory shot Megan. Yeah. Those shouldn't be controversial at all yeah because it's not here's the thing it's not even that hard most women who are shot in america are shot by who
Starting point is 01:05:29 somebody that loves them or said they did or knocked them off or did whatever and most men who've been violent i'll be violent again right that's not those are pretty consistent things but people contorted themselves to make some kind of conspiratorial thing when sometimes the most obvious thing is the truest. I agree with you wholeheartedly. And, you know, me and Envy had this conversation because, you know, I saw, we had the police documents up here way before they were public.
Starting point is 01:05:52 And I'm like, oh, he did this. You know what I'm saying? But I think the problem is the internet. I really do. I think the internet, like when Malcolm X said the media is the most powerful tool in the world because it can make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent. There's nothing doing that better than the Internet right now.
Starting point is 01:06:07 The only thing that bothers me about when anybody says that anything happened, there's always three sides to the story, right? It's the right person on the right side, the person on the left side, and then there's the truth, right? And then there's the evidence, but the a**es don't read. They get all the information from the Internet. But the Internet is difficult sometimes because they put out so much that ain't true. That's my point. On purpose. That's my point. On purpose. On purpose.
Starting point is 01:06:25 That's my point. You know what I mean? It's three things that MAGA people and whole tip got in common. They hate evidence. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Proof. Yes.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Proof. The fact that you have, well, you don't know. Okay, well, see. And that's, at one point, I can't even have a conversation with you. My last thing. Before you get to your last thing, I just got a question. I see you in shape. Try it, baby.
Starting point is 01:06:47 You didn't put that bourbon down. Talk about that bourbon down. I didn't put bourbon down. Why? I picked up tequila, baby. Come on now. Come on now. Charlamagne, don't give up on me, baby.
Starting point is 01:06:58 Don't give up on me. So, Pastor Wyatt challenged you to a fight. Is that why you're in shape? No. That's going to jail, ain't it? It's going to jail by the time this video is over. That's? No. That's going to jail, ain't it? It's going to jail by the time the video's over. That's going to jail, ain't it? You need to be warming up for some other fights you got to have.
Starting point is 01:07:12 That's so funny to me. This is what happened. He called my executive producer. They wanted to be on the show. I said, that's not a good idea because I think you are charlatan or told his people. No, it's going to be cool.
Starting point is 01:07:26 And sure enough, what happened? We had this argument. He got mad. I want to fight you. All right. Well, he said, we're going to have a celebrity boxer. I'm like, who's the other celebrity? Like, what?
Starting point is 01:07:36 You famous for getting robbed on TV. That's not a TV show. That's not a TV show. And now what? Is he indicted for something right yeah I would say it's interesting to have black women are really in terms of the legal on the legal front they like in Atlanta and in Michigan and with some black one put in jail they're not playing the DA in Atlanta not playing man young thug and gun if your name is young thing gotta you gotta go to jail I know that look at that mercy this is what people don't get if you rap about something in Atlanta not playing. Man, Young Thug and Gunner. If your name is Young Thug and Gunner, you're going to go to jail. I know that. Lord have mercy.
Starting point is 01:08:06 This is what people don't get. If you rap about something that didn't happen, that's artistic expression. If you rap about something that did, that's a confession. That's a confession.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Word up. And snitches don't get snitches. They get immunity from prosecution. Snitches are home by Christmas. That's right. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:08:21 Well, DL, we appreciate you joining us. You can check him on The Daily Show all week long. That's right. And if you want it, I hope you you joining us. Always. You can check him on The Daily Show all week long. Make sure to watch him on The Daily Show, man. That's right. And if you want it, I hope you get it. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:08:28 You know what? I always wanted to do a talk show, but I want to do it the way I do it. Yeah, you've done CNN. You did TV One. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll see. I'm killing it, though, baby.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Yeah, I'm killing it. Absolutely. It's DL Hughley. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's D-E-J-N-V. Charlemagne the guy.
Starting point is 01:08:43 We are The Breakfast Club. Charlemagne and I have been talking, and we said for Friday, we're going to do a segment club good morning everybody it's dj envy charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club charlamagne and i've been talking and we said for friday we're gonna do a segment called pass the auks yeah listen we old right we both you old okay you're older than me so what does that make you but we're seasoned we both were born in the 1900s right correct we were you remember last year i came here with the ski mask on i'm like am i too old you know to be listening to young music you know what i mean and after your knees was hurting i remember i still excuse me i still like a lot of this stuff right so you know on friday's new music comes out and you know we got a very young up i don't even want to say up and coming it's not now it's still up and coming
Starting point is 01:09:20 yeah right but she's here she's here now she's generation now but she's still up and coming man and you know she got a very good ear for music and uh i decided let's do a segment call yeah call pastor ox where you know we bring people up like nala nala's gonna be holding it down where she's gonna tell us what's popping out there what's new she's gonna be listening to some of the albums that we might not have time for or might not care about and she's an actual dj cheers yes yes so so what do we got so here now we're passing you the aux what's popping what are we listening to first all right so first i want to give a shout out to scissor's sos project which has been number one
Starting point is 01:09:55 forever it seems like for seven weeks straight yes so shout out to scissor and at first i wasn't really feeling the project i'm glad you said that and I didn't have to because I was about to get on your... Go ahead. At first I wasn't really feeling the project, but it grew on me. And I know the fan favorite is Snooze, but I really, really like Love Language and I just want to shine some light on that record. All right, well, let's get into it now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Okay, that was SZA.
Starting point is 01:10:20 I'm glad that you came around on SZA. That was a snippet of SZA. What else we got some people should be looking out for? But I was telling you SZA was fire. All right. No, I think SZA. I'm glad that you came around on SZA. That was a snippet of SZA. What else we got some people should be looking out for? But I was telling you SZA was fire, all right? No, I think SZA is fire. I just like Control better. I think I had the same expectation. Tell them what you said, Nala.
Starting point is 01:10:33 Tell them why you said you didn't like the new album. Tell them you said who you felt the album was for. I don't remember. That was so long ago. You said Hards with Broken Hearts. First reactions don't really count. All right, what else we got? Jesus. He's lying lying by the way so the second project i want to highlight i was gonna do a little yachty but i
Starting point is 01:10:52 think it's still growing on me and i don't i don't want to be a hater because i see how he attacked pitchfork so i'm gonna give it some time so i'm gonna talk about smino's project which actually dropped in november it's called love for rent but that project is amazing. Who's Smino for people that don't know? It's growing and Smino he's from St. Louis. He went to college in Chicago and I think he got his buzz musically in Chicago but now he's on tour with JID. They're on the Love for Rent tour and I'm a big fan of him. He's not mainstream but he should be. He's great. So it's been three months and each week i feel like i find a new song on the project that i love but right now on repeat is lee and lovely lee and lovely by smino yeah that's not like a hair care product that's not like what's keeping your edges held down right now you know shout out
Starting point is 01:11:36 to um ors please send me some products um but yes let's get into it here's Smino Lee And Love Lee Off of Love for Ray Alright well Nala's still here This is Past the Aux This is something That we're gonna be doing Fridays
Starting point is 01:11:51 Usually in the 9 o'clock hour I guess But this is Black History Month So we have Black History Moments So we're doing it right now During the rumor report Yes So we got Sizzins
Starting point is 01:11:59 Smino So Nala's here With Holding With Passing the Aux So what's next That was Smino right That was Smino He's? That was Smino. He's from St. Louis.
Starting point is 01:12:06 He's from St. Louis. And I'm going to keep it south. So I did like a new music submission and allow artists to just send me music from all over. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. You're going to get a lot of trash. But go ahead. Man, hours.
Starting point is 01:12:17 I'm so far. Hours of trash. Hours of trash. Four hours in. I still haven't got through the list. But I want to get into it. Here's Jehovah with Poppin'. All right.
Starting point is 01:12:27 That was past the aux, Nyla. We appreciate you. Jehovah, man. From South Carolina, from the Met, 803. I think he from the Met. Now, give me your Instagram and all that stuff, Nyla. Make sure you guys follow me on the gram at NYLA, S-Y-M-O-N-E-E-E. And if you guys are in New York City, February 10th, I'm having a party Friday at Mr. Purple.
Starting point is 01:12:45 It's a funk party. Are you doing party shout-outs right now, Nyla? I am. Yes, she is. Take advantage, Nyla. Take advantage. It's Black History Month. I ain't mad at her.
Starting point is 01:12:52 It's Black History Month. Where is it going to be at? Mr. Purple. It's in LES, so pull up if you guys can. If you like funk and you like hip-hop, like 90s hip-hop, it's the vibe. And that's Low-E's side for everybody out there that's listening. If you like our playlist, you can hear that live. It's the vibe. And that's Low-E's side for everybody out there that's listening. If you like our playlist, you can hear that live.
Starting point is 01:13:07 That's right. Yeah. All right, when we come back, Charlamagne's giving somebody donkey today, so don't move. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 01:13:12 The Breakfast Club. Your mornings will never be the same. In the new Peacock original Poker Face, Natasha Lyonne stars as Charlie Kale, an ordinary Joe
Starting point is 01:13:22 with extraordinary ability to tell when someone is lying. Stream the 10-part Mystery of the Week series from Knives Outrider director Ryan Johnson now, with new episodes every Thursday only on Peacock. It's time for Donkey of the Day. Donkey of the Day, I'm Charlamagne. I'm a Democrat, so being Donkey of the Day is a little bit of a mixed place. So like a donkey, he hung. Donkey of the day. Breakfast club, bitches. Now, I've
Starting point is 01:13:52 been called a lot in my 23 years that donkey of the day is a new one. Donkey of the day for Friday, February 3rd goes to Turning Point USA at Clemson University. Drop one of Clues bombs for the upstate of South Carolina. 864, what's happening? For the record, I love my entire state of South Carolina, but I represent the low country, 843 all day, and the 803, the metro, home of the South Carolina Gamecocks. Drop one of Clues bombs for the South Carolina Gamecocks. I can't even let the words Clemson come out of my mouth
Starting point is 01:14:21 without saluting the garnet and black of the South Carolina Gamecocks, okay? That's my wife's alma mater, by the way. Now, now that we got that out the way, let's handle business, all right? It is indeed the third day of Black History Month, and I've been waiting, I've been waiting for the foolishness that surrounds any celebration of blackness to begin, especially when you have Ron DeSantis bullying the college board into stripping down his AP curriculum for African-American studies and when you have conservative-led states and school districts
Starting point is 01:14:49 banning so-called critical race theory yes 30 percent of educators in red states have limited discussions of black history so in a minute they gonna get rid of this month all together oh it's coming baby black history month gonna be black history week by 2024 and black history day by 2025 i can see it now it's already the shortest month of the year and if someone like the santas gets in that white house in 2024 you can kiss black history month goodbye trust and belief all right it's already the shortest month of the year and the reason they put it right before march is because they know that's all black people gonna do in regards to the injustice we face in this country that's what happens we learn about
Starting point is 01:15:29 what's happening with us and to us and then we march the history of who we are in marching go hand in hand okay it's not a coincidence marches the month after black history now stay woke matter of fact go get a nap okay I'll be joining you shortly because i'm tired all right i'm tired of us being the most unserious country on the planet all right we just out here bro okay everybody's just doing things okay there is absolutely no thought going into nothing everybody is doing okay it feels like they just trying to get into the it feels like everybody's just trying to get into the the rock and troll hall of fame okay nothing feels real everything feels like one long terrible snl sketch and you
Starting point is 01:16:10 know snl be having some long terrible sketches and today's no exception because turning point usa at clemson a couple of days ago actually on the first day of black history month decided to have a bake sale not just any kind of bake sale, though. Let's go to WYFF News Channel 4 for the report, please. Only on 4, an affirmative action bake sale at Clemson University today left a number of students upset. Carol Nigel, Turning Point USA at Clemson says it held the event in opposition of affirmative action. In photos sent to WYFF News 4, it shows a poster with prices for the cookies varying based on a person's race. The comments on the organization's Instagram post called the poster racist, disturbing,
Starting point is 01:16:50 and bringing up that it was put up on the first day of Black History Month. One student had this to say. I was shocked, like, because I didn't think Clemson would allow something like that on campus. The fact they had the prices and it being the first day of Black History Month, I feel like that was very much planned out. It was very strategic the way they did that. An affirmative action bake sale. I repeat, an affirmative action bake sale. Now, I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary, but last I checked, affirmative action was defined as a set of procedures designed to eliminate unlawful discrimination among applicants, remedy the results of such prior discrimination and prevent discrimination in the future. All of that is great. But what the hell that got to do with cookies? point usa at clemson okay these fools had a sign showing each cookie at a different price based on the customer's race all right these fools had asian
Starting point is 01:17:50 cookies at a dollar fifty white cookies for a dollar hispanic cookies for a curtis jackson black cookies for 20 cents and native american cookies free i'm just glad they didn't do theme cookies like this could have been way worse They just had regular cookies like chocolate chip, oatmeal raisin, peanut butter. But they could have jumped out the window and had fortune cookies for Asians. Okay, large chunks of cooked meth, commonly called meth cookies for the whites, and biscuits, a.k.a. N-word cookies for black people. Welcome to Popeye's Chicken and N-word cookies. May I take your order?
Starting point is 01:18:24 I'm sorry. Listen, man, here's the thing. Turning Point USA Clemson said they held this event in opposition to affirmative action. It's a debate as old as time, folks. OK, people who oppose affirmative action say that it is unfair to use race as a consideration and admitting students to a college or university. Opponents of affirmative action say that it's reverse discrimination and that it's wrong for the government ever to use race in regards to giving out benefits like government contracts, jobs, or admissions to school.
Starting point is 01:18:54 I love when people use the term reverse discrimination because it's usually the people who use that term who try to gaslight you and tell you racial discrimination is a figment of our imaginations in the first place. And this is how they try to gaslight you and tell you racial discrimination is a figment of our imaginations in the first place and this is how they try to gaslight you okay clemson tp usa chapter said the bake sale was in an effort to highlight what takes place at other universities like harvard and unc and that it was not targeting clemson let me tell you something turning point usa at clemson if y'all don't shut the f up, what the hell do people at Clemson care about what's going on at Harvard and UNC?
Starting point is 01:19:28 Okay? If you care about what's going on at Harvard and UNC, take that bake sale and stay at Last Cookies to UNC. Okay? Four hours and 16 minutes drive via I-85 North. Bye. Okay? Clemson. Clemson, Turning Point USA.
Starting point is 01:19:42 You want to go to Harvard? 15 hours and 15 minutes drive via I-85 North and I-95 North. Bye. OK, go. If you're going to make up reasons to do stuff like this, at least make up decent ones. OK, at least make up ones that make sense. Are you trying to highlight what happens at two other schools at your school? Abort mission. I've seen enough. OK. And look, I totally disagree with your stance on affirmative action. Okay. Instead of whipping up a fresh table of cookies, how about just simply explain to me why you are opposed to affirmative action. I would love to hear an
Starting point is 01:20:18 intelligent non-racist response, but we know we will never get that because there isn't one. That's why Turning Point USA at Clemson has to resort to silly ass soft bat stunts like this. Please give Turning Point USA at Clemson the biggest hee-haw. All right, Charlamagne, thank you for that donkey of the day. Now, when we come back, we have author, trainer, Jason Wilson. He's been up here before, and we're going to talk to him again. He has a new documentary we're going to kick it about. It's The Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlemagne the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Man, one of the most necessary black men walking the face of the earth my brother jason wilson welcome brother hello brother how you doing how you feeling good to see you weren't here that wasn't here last time no not at all no it wasn't here last time
Starting point is 01:21:13 that was on the road wow a pleasure to meet you brother you too as well good brother yes sir for people that don't know who you are you want to just break down quickly what you do who you are and some of your history well yeah um my name is j is Jason Wilson. I'm an author of two bestselling books, Cry Like a Man, Breaking, Fighting for Freedom from Emotional Incarceration. And my second book is Battle Cry, Waging and Winning the War Within. I'm also the founder and CEO of a nonprofit called the Union based in Detroit which um under its umbrella is the cave of adele transformational training academy where we help boys navigate through their emotions without succumbing to them in a world that's full of pressure you know you know we didn't talk about this a lot last time we did but not really people don't know your background uh and well if you
Starting point is 01:22:01 they've read your books they know your background but how you evolved as a human and got to the jason wilson we know like you was in the street yeah yeah i wasn't i never was a thug but i hung around those who were in gangs in my community you know again it was i didn't have a father so and my brothers uh two of them were murdered uh actually one at that time when i was younger then my other brother moved to tex Texas so I needed the camaraderie and so I hung around everyone who was in the gangs but I wasn't like actively in it um however I risked my life many times trying to fit this mode of what it is to be a thug and then uh after losing a lot of friends uh to the violence and then more importantly answering my call to the most high that's when my life
Starting point is 01:22:45 completely changed into the man that I am today do you remember the turning point like do you remember that that light bulb moment it took me almost dying twice and then those incidents being connected to prophetic you know uh words so basically one time I was driving a good friend of mine's truck at the time he was the number one drag pick in the NBA. And he told me, his mother told him not to drive the truck. But he allowed me to drive it to go to the studio because she said someone had to get in an accident. That someone was me. Wow.
Starting point is 01:23:17 So when I was driving back from the studio, brothers, a car stalled right in front of me. And by the time I got up on it, was a i was driving a four-runner truck and at the time they were top heavy so when i went to swerve the truck flipped over two times sunroof open windows down sounds blasting and i survived but what struck you by yourself yes so when he came into the emergency room screaming and crying like dog you know you gotta listen i'm like dude i'm fine he just got me on this board just in case I have any damaged vertebraes. He says, no, my mother told me this was going to happen. And you got to answer your call.
Starting point is 01:23:52 But even then, I still didn't listen. So fast forward another maybe four years, I'm working for Coca-Cola. And I'm talking to Nicole, who is my wife now. And I'm upset, brother, because I'm working 12 hour days. I'm gifted in music and helping mentoring young boys. But yet I'm in this plant all day. And so we're on the phone. And I said, you know what?
Starting point is 01:24:15 God ain't real. So don't tell me about praying or any of that stuff. Because if he was real, why I'm in here wasting my life away? I can't even spend time with my daughter. I hang the phone up 10 minutes later i go like every night to unload the pallet truck for the first time the driver didn't lock the brakes on the on the semi i hit the back of the truck with my hylo couldn't get on at first back up i'm angry because i couldn't get on then i hit it again and i'm able to get on but this time
Starting point is 01:24:42 because the brakes weren't chalked or locked the the bed of the truck pushed away from me. But I was leaving the dock. High-low falls. Two herniated discs. I fall off the high-low. The truck, the back of the truck was about to roll back on me. But the forks of the high-low dropped down to stop the truck. And then my friend gets inside the high-low to hit the brakes on that so it wouldn't crush me.
Starting point is 01:25:03 At that point, I looked up to the sky and I said most high i said i never go against you again wow literally we're trying to buy a house we were getting married the week before we had to close the trucking company wanted to settle with me and that's how we had the money to close on the house oh wow and ever since then brothers i haven't looked back you know uh truthfully you know i'm a guy that just like keeping my hands to the plow you know this is a blessing that i have an opportunity to share what has happened in my life so it can inspire others but i never desired any of the attention i rather just the lights cut off and i do what i need to do and what got you into martial arts always desire you know my father was in the same city, but wasn't actively in my life.
Starting point is 01:25:49 So I desire to have that man, you know, teach me not only how to fight. Every boy wants to know how to defend himself. But it was when you see the old martial art movies, you see the sensei walking along with them, helping them throughout life. And I yearn for that. And I didn't have it. Even when I first started martial arts in my backyard, I didn't have a teacher. I kind of felt like David in the scriptures where the most high is testified as the one who trained him for war. But then after that moment, I started seeking going into martial arts schools. And the challenge of facing your fears, you know, facing your anxieties, your insecurities. In sports, you can kind of hide from it. In martial arts, when a punch coming at you, a kick, an elbow,
Starting point is 01:26:27 or someone's trying to choke you or take your back like in jiu-jitsu, you got to be able to stay calm enough to be able to counter all of that. And so that journey just never stopped. Even now as a man, I still have what we call a moment on the mat. We even have fathers who will get on, want to train in the cave, and they'll break down crying because a certain technique or training take them back to a moment in their childhood where it's painful. It's interesting, right? Because, you know, when I hear you tell your
Starting point is 01:26:53 story, I think about stories of evolution, like, you know, Malcolm X. So I think about anything that we've even been through. It feels like this generation of kids aren't getting the opportunity to make the same mistakes well big shout out to uh orange new jersey we was just there yesterday superintendent abdul salim hassan he was reading my book battle cry this brother is so active in the community man he has father groups one of the main things the thing we were talking about is that the boys didn't feel like they had enough grace to make a mistake. That's right. And so when a boy fears failure, he tries to play it safe. And as we know, the safe route for me, you know, my ultimatum,
Starting point is 01:27:31 if I couldn't have made it in music because I also was a music producer, I was going to sell drugs with my brother. Okay, because that was the quick way out. I can get money. He's a millionaire establishing the street so I can make it happen. But to do things that's hard, like start a nonprofit, serve the community, be able to bless all my other friends with employment. My brother, Ron Lee Jr., has been with me my 22 years.
Starting point is 01:27:57 And so it was the boys. One young man I never forgot, he started showing his emotions because it's hard to get boys to express themselves in a culture that tells us that crying is weak for men. And I said, you know, where's your father? And that's when everything started pouring out of him. And I always get to my knees to make sure they know I'm all in for what you're talking about. And I welcome your tears. It was trial and error, trial and error, learning he's not there.
Starting point is 01:28:28 And the next thing you know, the other boys start opening up. And so in the cave, what we do, the first thing you learn when you come to the cave of Adullam is how to fall. So we teach you judo. But the life principle is if you know how to fall correctly, you can get back up no matter how hard someone throws you. Well, don't move. We got more with Jason Wilson when we come back. It's The Breakfast Club. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Start your own country. I planted the flag. I just kind of looked out of like, this is mine. I own this.
Starting point is 01:29:00 It's surprisingly easy. There's 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Everybody's doing it. I am King Ernest Emmanuel. I am the Queen of Ladonia. I'm Jackson I, King of Kaperburg. I am the Supreme Leader of the Grand Republic of Mentonia. Be part of a great colonial tradition. The Waikana tried my country. My forefathers did that themselves.
Starting point is 01:29:19 What could go wrong? No country willingly gives up their territory. I was making a rocket with a black powder you know, with explosive warhead. Oh my god. What is that? Bullets. Bullets. We need help! We still have the off-road
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Starting point is 01:33:00 how to navigate the big changes in our lives. It was like a slow nightmare, you know, because every day you think, oh, surely tomorrow I'll be better. And I would dream of being better. At night, I would dream that my face was quote unquote normal or back to the way it was. And I'd wake up and there'd be no change. I also speak with scientists about how we can be more resilient in the face of change. You can think of the adolescent brain as like the social R&D engine of our culture, that they're something that looks like risky and idiotic to us. It's maybe their way of creatively
Starting point is 01:33:36 trying to solve the problem of having social success and fewer of the things that bring you social failure. Listen a slight change of plans on the iHeartRadio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts good morning good morning everybody it's DJ Envy Charlamagne Tha Guy we are the breakfast club we're still kicking it with Jason Wilson now you talk about the cave for people that don't know what that is explain to people what that is there's also a new film but for people that's just tuning in we're talking to jc well and they might not know they hear you talking a cave or somebody wanted to join the cave so to break down what that is because
Starting point is 01:34:13 somebody might be confused right now so the cave of adalim historically is where david ran uh for his life uh david in the bible who fought goliath and became the king of Israel. He ran to the cave of Adullam, which is a cave in the city of Adullam. And the story goes that 400 men who were distressed, discontented, and in debt came to him and he became their captain. And what's beautiful about that history is that the way these men came into that cave, they didn't leave that way. When they left, they were called mighty men of valor. So the cave of Adullam presently is a transformational training academy in detroit uh our mission is to teach train and transform
Starting point is 01:34:49 uninitiated boys into comprehensive men men of the most high men who are physically conscious mentally astute and spiritually strong enough to navigate through the pressures of this world without succumbing to their negative emotions the brother to express himself, you know what I mean, through martial arts, and he was crying, but you was coaching him through it. I was like, man, that's so powerful. Is that how Laurence Fishburne connected with you? Yeah, and so what's even interesting about the video, brother,
Starting point is 01:35:15 because that happens a lot in our academy. So when it went viral, we had no idea what was going on. We had to shut our offices down for two days because men were calling all over the world and crying to our women's staff. Like, I wish he was my coach. You know, I needed that growing up. You know, the reason I'm this way now, hold on to so much anger because I never was allowed to express those emotions. And so that struck a chord that I had no idea that needed to be discussed. And so when that video went viral, I got contacted by three Hollywood producers,
Starting point is 01:35:49 one of which was a gentleman named Roy Bank, who said, hey, man, I think this story needs to be told. Fast forward him. He met with Lawrence Fishburne one day. So when Lawrence saw it, he was just blown away because of his desire for having a rite of passage for our community and the rest was history he and i became close like brothers and um he's he's he's definitely an advocate of what we do and he sees the importance of helping a boy he need every young boy needs a mark in time where they say you're no longer allowed to do childish things that's right and this is why we have so many grown men stuck in basements because we haven't gave them a ceremony say this this village needs to now treat such and such like a man he has put away childish things now and
Starting point is 01:36:37 he is now to be treated and given responsibility and so that's what our goal is in the cave is to create this comprehensive boy heal the boy so we can stop intergenerational trauma and start intergenerational healing. First Corinthians 13, 11, too. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And what's beautiful is that the fathers, I say in every grown man is a broken boy inside. And Frederick Douglass says it's easier to raise children than it is to repair broken men how that is very true however we should not leave men broken and so I have a passion for mending men using the mat to heal the father and son relationship as as men of our era we grew up we had to be tough don't cry you know that's that shows that's a sign of weakness and many times when I have recruits doing something completely different, like one instance, we were just doing falls, break falls.
Starting point is 01:37:31 And one of the young men was started crying. I'm like, what's wrong? And he kept looking at his dad. He looked back at me and he kept looking at his dad and his dad as a boxer, X boxer. And I called his father on the mat and i shared with him what's going on um and he says you know he says man i push him way too hard i said well share that with him and i sat both of them on the side and they were just hugging each other and talking because he needed to share his wounds with his own son and so as long as a father fears vulnerability our sons will grow up and start repressing what they feel and then the cycle of being like unavailable emotionally for our wives continues you know and
Starting point is 01:38:13 and i know so many good men especially millennial men don't have mentors and so they fear getting married because your instagram profile is not your life eventually she's going to see that you worry she's going to see that you cry yeah you cry you're fearful you got a father wound or your your mother wasn't there and so as men it's like man you know they want to get their ducks in a row which is admirable um but I always ask them when is the last time you've seen ducks in a row you know I mean seriously you know and our good friend you know uh you know we took me actually we were outside talking to him and that was his reason for not marrying a woman he longed for but he never saw no ducks in a row no he
Starting point is 01:38:53 he just wanted to have his finances the house and everything and i get that and that makes sense but you about to lose this woman that you can get. And because he married her, they're doing great things right now. My wife and I got it together together. You know, we worked hard. She made more money than me. Oh, you got to say that again, Mr. Wilson. My wife and I got it together together. And so I didn't want to lose my wife for my producing dreams.
Starting point is 01:39:20 But because she made more money than me, didn't make me less of a man, less of a leader. I still led my home. I put her check in our bank account and now you know my wife learned to well i learned to value myself more than from what i do and that's why when i get approached by men you know i mean doctors lawyers come up to me crying and say i don't feel valuable because we base everything on what we do instead of who we are and that's why we work tirelessly we adopted the grinding mentality which is killing a lot of us let me ask you a question i want to go back to what you said not to cut you off i want to know what you did cut him off no no because i want to go back before because he's about to change you were talking about the the boxer gentleman and he was talking about his son and
Starting point is 01:40:03 he said he was too hard on his son now now how do you tell the people that come to the cave about pushing their child because we look at so many instances where a father pushes their child and then we see greats whether it's beyonce or it's uh michael jackson uh and you see a lot of these greats but you also see it because they push their child to that limit and you do understand that if that father didn't push that child we wouldn't have that so how do you blur that line you know depends on your definition of success is it money and a lack of peace a lack of having true confidence that your parents really loved you so I talked to a lot of successful people who families have pushed them
Starting point is 01:40:45 But yet they're struggling mentally right now Because they didn't get the love You see what I'm saying And so it's like It's not even a fine line You know And so sometimes that pushing is abuse brother Alright well don't move
Starting point is 01:40:57 We got more with Jason Wilson When we come back It's The Breakfast Club Good morning The Breakfast Club The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club is back. Back.
Starting point is 01:41:08 Where I want to be. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with Jason Wilson. Charlamagne. You know what I love about God, man? Like, God is the best Noah in Plano, right?
Starting point is 01:41:20 Absolutely. You think about this film, The Cave of, how do I pronounce it wrong? Adullam. Adullam, The Cave of Adullam, executive produced by Lawrence Fishburne. This probably could have went anywhere. Look where it ended up. ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, a network that you know so many men watch. God put that doc exactly where it needed to be for who needed to see it. Absolutely, man. And what's a blessing is when i get reached out to my nba players or football players to see their transparency and wanting
Starting point is 01:41:50 to grow wanting to become better husbands and better fathers and better individuals man it just makes the the the hard work the blood sweat and literally the tears worth it um because you know we'll see the cars the fame top 75 in history but yet they're struggling behind the scenes they're hurting they want to save their marriage they want to be more patient they don't want to yell at their kids because they're running late at school you know for school and so to be able to be a source of encouragement uh somewhat like a spiritual father to them all and then for them to watch the Cave of Adullam documentary and see themselves in one of those boys. And to finally have that healing cry to say, wow, I've been holding on a lot of this pain of how my father would always condemn me when I would make a mistake.
Starting point is 01:42:40 Or my mother was emotionally checked out because my brother was murdered and I never really got that nurturing love and then to get that healing and then to go back to your father and say hey dad I forgive you I love you can we start fresh now or mom I completely understand why you guarded your heart because of the heaviness or the brokenness of you losing my brother and your son and that's the beauty of the Cave documentary. It showcases that although as a people in our communities, we experience a lot of trauma, it doesn't have to be our experience, our entire experience. I want to go back to something you said earlier, because, you know, NBA Youngboy just did an interview with Billboard and he expressed the same thing. And I've heard a lot of people express this i've expressed it myself you know just as far as you know the content that we may have created as we were growing and and
Starting point is 01:43:30 evolving and you know you was talking about the music and i'm like how much we should give ourselves a lot of grace in regards to the music we used to create or even the content we used to create because we literally were doing the the best with what we had and we were in survival mode and i'm the type of person i feel like you got to give people grace when they're doing what Because we literally were doing the best with what we had and we were in survival mode. And I'm the type of person, I feel like you got to give people grace when they're doing what they feel like they need to do to survive. Not necessarily. And what I mean, I can use my brother, for example. He sold drugs because he thought that's what he needed to do to survive.
Starting point is 01:43:59 As a result, a lot of people lost their lives. So I can't really celebrate that. Not celebrate that, but once he knew better, he started doing better. No, he didn't. Oh, man. Wow. He died a terrible death, and he didn't do better. And so, again, I didn't come out because I just, I knew I was wrong.
Starting point is 01:44:20 I knew I shouldn't have been doing what I was doing with my gift, but it was those two near death experiences that changed me now i do get what you're saying have enough grace on yourself to not condemn yourself for some wrong that you've done forgive yourself and move forward but we still have to acknowledge that what we were doing was wrong i agree and that's the key if not you know the next generation will keep doing it and then the next generation and we came up and what they consider the golden era of hip hop, you know. And so you look at the covers. I was just sharing this with the young kids yesterday. None of the rappers I love smile out on the album cover.
Starting point is 01:44:55 And so we call it asset framed marketing. So now in the cave, if you look at the first class picture, everyone was tough. Now, all of my boys smile because it's imperative that we change this narrative. And so what's wrong with smiling? You know, you which you don't want to be perceived as a joke. You know, I know guys that have smiled. You wouldn't stand one minute with them in a ring or on a mat. It does not dictate who you are as a man.
Starting point is 01:45:26 So I want to be compassionate, but also want to be courageous. I want to be sensitive, but I want to be strong. And so that's what I want to model for boys and men, because at the end of the day, none of us want to stay in what I call like lion mode or fight or flight where you got to be grim and all the time and tough looking over your shoulder i have to be that way when i have to be but i want to live in the lamb i want to be at peace i want to chill in the green pastures as long as i can however when a predator comes or threat comes the lion will arise and defend the pride and that's the importance of us as men to model that even in the hip hop culture like a lot of rappers that reach out to me i was like a fan of and so it blesses me to hear them say man i really respect
Starting point is 01:46:13 what you're doing and i want to become that type of man and as you know from the survival standpoint in hip hop many of us did what we had to do to eat but a lot of that was in a dream we want to be rich we want to be paid and and truth be told in in Detroit the majority of drug dealers I knew they didn't have to sell drugs yeah sold drugs because you got props from it you got women you got the cars it wasn't a necessity to eat but that all comes from a place of lack right not necessarily lack of finances affirmation brother feeling special celebrating that and so my brother wasn't starving but when his friends pulled up in a bmw he's working at a gas station pumping the gas and the girl he'd like was in the car and they all laughed at him and pulled off he vowed he would that would never happen to him again and when i said it never happened to him again it never happened to
Starting point is 01:47:05 him again but unfortunately he's not here to see his daughter's life i wonder if we can play that nba young boy clip can you play it from the board right now i'm terrified of people and i'm very shy but i never knew why once i walk on the stage i would be done but i'm terrified of people people are cruel. It's like you can't control yourself. So you never know what someone will do you. I always wanted to be a rapper. It's always my dream.
Starting point is 01:47:33 I never had a plan B. Can't be on top forever. You know, I will not be provoked. And I'm not going back to where I used to be. I only get more groovy from here. Wow. You get a pain in that brother's voice absolutely um and that's you know again i don't i don't condemn i want to be clear i don't condemn where these rappers are right now you know i look at them as my sons and i can't say their
Starting point is 01:47:57 name and when they reach out i'll be like i'm here for you. You know, call me. And that's the scariest step for many of them. It's like, man, OK, here's a man who's finally willing to engage in my life. But that fear of taking that first step to healing. I had a UFC fighter come visit me. Literally, we talking one day. I said, well, just come see me, man, if it's that heavy. He said, I'm there in the morning, 6 a.m. So he flew in for the first time and he's met with therapists before I had him write out all
Starting point is 01:48:30 of his past trauma and he looked at it and broke down crying in my chair and hit in the chair in the office champion fighter never was able to face that and so one of our greatest fears is men is dealing with ourselves that's why we can't sit in a room when it's quiet. We got to always be on the phone or smoking or doing something, drinking. But when you can put all of that aside and just sit still, no matter if it's shaking you to the core and ready to face it, then you can start healing. That's why I choose to use my platform in such a way where I'm not perfect. I strive for excellence. I used to strive for perfection, but on my desk right now is a plaque that says excellentist because that's all I can strive for.
Starting point is 01:49:10 I can't be a perfectionist. And I want people to see my life, even with my wife and I, you know, 25 years this year wasn't an easy journey. No infidelity, no gambling, no just misuse of finances. We just didn't get along. We would the years of just me being negative to her or her years of not trusting me. I can give a recent example, which was kind of funny. We're in counseling, marital counseling, and our therapist was like, OK, since no one is my readers, Nicole, you ask Jason what you would like. One thing. And then, Jason, you ask Jason what you would like one thing. And then Jason, you ask her what you would like. So my wife says, well, Jay, when you come home,
Starting point is 01:49:49 I would love for you to acknowledge me first, instead of going to little Jay. I said, okay, I'll do that. And then he says, what about you, Jay? And so I'm sitting there inside of me. I'm like, I wish you would just submit to me, submit to my leadership, you know, stop bucking against what I say. That's the flesh. That's anger. But what I really was feeling was like it hurts because she doesn't trust me. And so I turned to Nicole.
Starting point is 01:50:14 I said, hey, I would like for you to trust me. And she just shook her head. She knew exactly what I was saying, because that was from my heart. Absolutely. Well, damn. A lot of knowledge. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you, brother. Thank you for everything. Make sure you go get battle cry. what I was saying because that was from my heart absolutely damn a lot of knowledge appreciate you make sure you go get battle cry go get cry like a man order them on amazon wherever you buy books
Starting point is 01:50:32 now make sure you watch cave of adullam you know it's on is it screaming on espn espn plus and then uh it randomly airs on espn so I appreciate espn doing that just to get it out and we're also doing like live screenings of the film, and then we have a fireside chat for social and emotional learning for students so they can see the value. Yes, so they can see the value in expressing their emotions before they become toxic thoughts. And follow him on social media.
Starting point is 01:51:00 Yes, Mr. Jason O. Wilson. All right. Mr. Jason O. Wilson. It's always a pleasure, brother. I love you, my brother. Absolutely. I love you, and I value you, and I appreciate you, man. Thank you, Mr. Jason O. Wilson. All right. Mr. Jason O. Wilson. It's the Breakfast Club. Always a pleasure, brother. I love you, my brother. I love you. And I value you. And I appreciate you, man.
Starting point is 01:51:08 Thank you, brother. Love you. Yes, sir. And I appreciate you, too. All righty. Come on. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy.
Starting point is 01:51:14 We are the Breakfast Club. Now, it's Black History Month. It's definitely Black History Month. And, you know, every day during Black History Month the black effect podcast network along with i heart radio uh we put out a new podcast called i didn't know maybe you didn't need the host about my guy b dot and b dot tells you some things uh that are happening in black history and black culture that you may not have known about are things that have happened that you may not have known about and today we have uh some language that you may not have known where
Starting point is 01:51:45 this term derived from but i bet you after you know you won't use it no more i didn't know in season one we threw out words that we just aren't using anymore but here go a couple of terms that i know i personally won't be using anymore. Dunkin' Booth or cheaper by the dozen. Matter of fact, I'll go ahead and give you that one. In those enslaved times, they used to put the mutilated enslaved people in groups of 12. And it would be discounts on that 12, which means you can get this group cheaper by the dozens. Now, when you think about somebody being knocked up, you usually think about you know oh she got knocked up she's pregnant now the oxford english dictionary traces the
Starting point is 01:52:31 term back to 1813. now dig this back then the price of an enslaved african woman was knocked up by the auctioneer if she's pregnant say you was getting a bogo two for one so in the enslaved periods if she was pregnant oh that price was knocked up when she went to go get sold the same way now you can hear someone say oh she's pregnant she been knocked up now take that to school or work with you because i didn't know maybe you didn't either that's right salute to my guy v dot man and make sure you subscribe to i didn't know maybe you didn't need the you know on the black effect i heart radio podcast network um available everywhere you listen to podcasts all right when we come back we got the positive note it's the breakfast club good morning morning
Starting point is 01:53:21 everybody it's dj envy charlemagne the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. You got a positive note, Charlemagne? I do, but I got a couple of announcements I want to make, first of all, man. I want to, first of all, tell everybody. He said announcements like it's church. No, it is. These are church announcements. We do this on Brilliant Niggas church announcements, but I'm doing them here.
Starting point is 01:53:37 February 8th, Brooklyn Public Library from 7 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. Myself, along with Tamika Mallory and Anita Kopax we will be there representing my book in print Black Privilege Publishing you know I got a book in print with Simon and Schuster we've put out two books through that imprint one was Tamika D Mallory State of Emergency How to Win in the Country We Built the other was Anita Kopax Shallow Waters and so they'll be there signing copies of their books I'll be there signing copies of their books. I'll be there signing copies of my books, Black Privilege and Shook One. And we're just going to be having a discussion about books from 7 p.m. to 8.30 p.m. at the Brooklyn Public Library. That's on Wednesday, February the 8th. So, don't just pray when you need something. Okay? Keep God with you every day. Pray all the time.
Starting point is 01:54:30 Have a blessed weekend. Breakfast Club, bitches! You all finished or you all done? Had enough of this country? Ever dreamt about starting your own? I planted the flag. This is mine. I own this.
Starting point is 01:54:41 It's surprisingly easy. 55 gallons of water, 500 pounds of concrete. Or maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that? Bullets. Listen to Escape from Zakistan. That's Escape from Z-A-Q-istan on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going.
Starting point is 01:55:19 That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about. It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey y'all, Nimany here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Each episode is about a different, inspiring figure from history. Like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing.
Starting point is 01:56:21 Check it. Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral. We're talking música, los premios, el chisme, and all things trending in my cultura. I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite
Starting point is 01:57:06 Latin artists, comedians, actors, and influencers. Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and
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Starting point is 01:57:22 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. This is Courtney Thorne-Smith, Laura Layton, and Daphne Zuniga. On July 8th, 1992, apartment buildings with pools were never quite the same as Melrose Place was introduced to the world. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal, and every single wig removal together.
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