The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Former MTV Host Ananda Lewis Passes at 52, Dame Dash Ordered to Surrender Assets Over $800K Debt + Rodney Jerkins & Jon Keith Interview

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Rodney Jerkins and Jon Keith discuss being honored by the Songwriters Hall of Fame, working with Michael Jackson, and the evolving music industry. Plus, Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to Tulsi Gabbard for warning of a ‘nuclear holocaust’ in a social media video. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yo, my kids did better than I expected And the swimming? Yeah and Ash killed it. He killed it? Yeah. Good was the pool warm? Yeah yo it actually was. I told you. It actually was and that is like the number one complaint you're right. I told you so if you're just joining us yesterday Jess was talking about taking her two kids swimming for the first time. Yes. And so how did the experience go? It went great. All right, so Marlee, she's in the tadpole stage, right?

Yep. Shout out to British Swim School. She's in the tadpole stage. She already on level four. I love it. Oh my God. Like, and then my baby's so big, right? Y'all know that's from the breast milk and then her dad is tall.

So she's already like, we know she's going to be tall. They could not believe she was nine months. Right. My daughter's big crazy and then Ash he was doing the backstroke in the I was like, okay So I'm gonna tell envy you can swim you just holding out on me Somebody he had already learned before in his life. Yeah, I just didn't know that I didn't know that didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm like, and I'm paying for this. He's breast stroking, he's freestyling and you're like, what the hell?

Yeah, it's like, yo, I'm paying for this. And you already know how to swim? Like, what the hell? But yeah, yeah, yeah, he is learning. He actually wants to, like, train to swim. So I was like, okay, all right, you made it seem like you want to swim lessons because you didn't know how to swim. He was like, no, I just want to learn how to swim better. What's his favorite stroke pause? What is he like? What is he enjoying? I don't know. I don't know what he likes. He was doing it all, yo. He was swimming on the side. Then I didn't think he knew how to float. He knew how to float. I'm like, yo, this is great. I'm on estimate.

So he wanted to be the next Michael Phelps. Yeah, he said he wants to train. So you know, in high school, I was on the swim team. I did backstroke. Of course you did. But you know the reason why I gave up was because in high school you started getting backstrokes in the industry. In high school you'd have to wear the little tiny pants.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At first when you practice and then you train it's not a problem. But then when you look in the stands and you start seeing girls in there and people in there you're like, nah B, I'm not doing this no more. Look at you now in the backstrokes in the Daisy Dukes got you where you are. Look at that boy with the Daisy Dukes on. I want you to look at you. Look at you. All right. Well, Rodney Darkchild Jerkins will be joining us. Rodney Jerkins will be

ahead in a little bit. Super producer Rodney Jerkins, you know, he's getting inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Correct. He's worked with everybody from Michael Jackson to Brandi, Destiny and Child, and that just worked with them. Some people say they work with them, but think about the records. The Boy Is Mine, You Rock My World.

I almost said never. Yeah, I said he comes the whole album. It's not right, but it's okay by Whitney Houston. Come on now. Yes, and he's also bringing his artist John Keith Who's a Christian artist and he has a new album called grow wings So we'll talk to both of them today and and Rodney Jerkins. He's from Atlantic City He has a history on him of how he got in the game

Yeah, and if you don't know y'all cuz I know y'all probably running jerkins That's the song that you hear come on and he'd be like dark child That's very true. I grew up on that and he'd be like, dark child. That's very true. I grew up on that dark child. Dark child. All right, so we'll kick it with him. But let's get in some front page news when we come back.

Let's get the show cracking. Happy birthday to what is it? Lil Duval. Lil Duval. Drop one of those bombs on my guy, Lil Duval. So why we not playing Living My Best Life? Come on now. Turn that off.

We'll give you a second to pull it out. We'll give you a second to pull it out. Pull up Lil Duval, Living My Best Life. Yes. Lil Duval got a few records out right now, by the way you a second to pull it out. Pull up Lil Duval, living my best life. Yes. Lil Duval got a few records out right now, by the way. That's right. On Tivities. Oh, is his ass.

Let me see. I'll be 47. Does he still look good? He turned 48 today. I feel like he's been young. Because I turned 47 in a few weeks. Happy birthday, Lil Duval. He turned 47.

Nice. We got it. He's typing it in right now. And I want you to know that me training the dogs is getting a lot better. They're starting to listen. Oh, good. Yeah, you're starting to look like you have a lot more sleep. Yes. It a lot better. They're starting to listen. Oh good. Yeah, you're starting to look like you have a lot more sleep. Yes.

So good. They're starting to listen because they're not pooping and peeing. I don't have to wake up in the morning and clean poop and pee before I leave. I just walk and put them back and they're getting better. That's what it is. I love it. All right, here we go. Happy birthday my guy Lil Duval.

Man, drop on the booze bomb for Lil Duval. We going to Duval Day this year too. It's the Breakfast Club. Come on, let's go. Happy birthday Lil Duval. You know Lil Duval got Duval Day on July July 12th but this year he's doing a whole weekend so he got his uh Duval Day concert that Friday July 11th with uh DaBaby and Plies and Boss Mandilo and Skillababy and Jacquees. Bunch of

different people. It's gonna be at the uh the Veterans Memorial Arena in Jacksonville so you can go to T ticket master and get your tickets for that salute to Duval. All right Well, let's get in some front page news Now if it's true and Jay-Z really bet a million dollars that okay see would win in for he lost his money He lost his money cuz last night the paces won 116 107. They lead the series to one I don't think anybody expected that but It might be the pace is my taking now like this might be the pace is here I didn't know I mean I think I saw them winning at least two games. I think okay still win the series

I don't know pay this might be the paces time They'd be Cleveland they be Just the era I hate we do this every day every, every time. Last game, he was like, I don't think if they'll win another game. I didn't. You know what I'm saying? But they win and it's like, this might be their year. They win OKC win by 20 next game. They'd be like, I don't know who's going to win the series. Exactly. But this team wasn't supposed to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. They weren't supposed to beat the Knicks. Indiana has been the probably the best team in the league since February. So they've been one of watching that? One of the top three teams in the league since February. It's not a surprise.

It might be written for them this year, I don't know. Were they once the underdogs? Did they just come out of nowhere and win it like this? I think they were the underdogs in every series. They were the underdog versus Cleveland, they were the underdog versus the Knicks, they were the underdogs here. People just don't watch Indiana.

Since about February, they've been like the top three teams. But they've been the underdog. For all these series. But look at, Cleveland was injured, that. They had players down in Cleveland That's why I said it might be Damien Lillard didn't play. That's why I said it might be their time That's why I'm saying that ain't nobody hurt on okay. See ya know It's a seven game series. They lose. All right. Well, come on Morgan. Oh Hey, good morning. Y'all. How we feeling on a Thursday good

All right. Good. Love to hear that. Of course, we'll address the developments of what's going on in LA regarding the anti-ice protests. But first on front page, let's get into some international news. The State Department is ordering all non-essential staff to leave the embassy of Iraq as tensions flare up between the U.S. and Iran. President Trump confirmed the development last night as he visited the Kennedy Center in Washington DC to see lay miserable Let's take a listen to his comments Well, they are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place and we'll see what happens

But they are been we've given notice to move out What happens? Somebody was shooting behind him. What was going on in there? What was that noise? Oh no. No, it's probably preparing for his military parade. Staffers are also being told to leave the US embassies in Kuwait and Bahrain. The order came early Wednesday after Iran threatened to target US military bases in the US.

The US and Iran have reportedly reached a stalemate in their nuclear negotiations, and President Trump has threatened to strike if Iran, if the Iran talks failed. Now Iran's defense minister responded to Trump's threats by saying it will target without hesitation US bases within its reach and other international affairs trade to be specific. White House says that President Trump is going to going through the proposed trade deal with China. Now White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt said Trump is going to going through the proposed trade deal with China. Now White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt said Trump is happy to work with his trade team and happy with the work the trade team has done and share details on the proposed trade deal with China at yesterday's briefing.

Let's take a listen to that. China has agreed to open their markets to the United States separately of this deal. And when it comes to this deal, we're going back to the terms that were agreed upon in Geneva for the release of some of those critical minerals and the magnets from China to the United States. And we have agreed to fully comply with the Geneva agreement as well. She went on to say that Trump will have more to say on the subject soon. And Elon Musk is walking back his comments, but I won't get too much into that.

We'll talk more about that at seven. He said he might've gone too far. But yeah, we'll get into those comments at seven and then we'll go ahead and also talk about what's also happening in LA regarding these anti-ice protests. So stick around for more front page news. Keep telling y'all money is not power. Power is power. So, you know, you Elon Musk and you jump out there and get sporty and then Donald

Trump says, all right, I think we want to cancel some of his contracts, his government contracts. Okay. Yep. I'm sorry, boss. All right. Well, get it off your chest. 800-585-1051.

If you need to vent, phone lines are wide open again. 800-585-1051. Call us up right now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. It's a new day. Is it your time to get it off your chest?

Wake up. Wake up. Whether you're mad or blessed. It's time to get up and get something. Call up now. 800-585-1051. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this?

Hey, good morning. It's Tameka, your president started. Tameka, I'm ready to start. What's up, Tameka? Take us on Bluetooth or speaker if you got us on there. Tameka, I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you.

I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. I'm glad you called because I got a question for you. President Studs. Tamika, I'm President Studs. Take us on Bluetooth or speaker if you got us on there. Tamika, I'm glad you called, because I got a question for you. But go ahead and say what you need to say.

I just took y'all off. But so God is so good. Every time I call y'all, I get through. Every time. All praises to you. I'm glad you called, because I got a question for you. It's her birthday first. It's her birthday today.

Happy birthday. Come on, y'all. What's your... Oh, thank you, thank you. Who blowing out your plastic candle today? Whoa. My girlfriend. Okay, good.

Relationship. I saw a stud. Yeah, my girl. I saw a stud on Instagram yesterday. It was a video my wife showed me and she was saying that she, she b****s from wearing the scrap on on and she said it's a mental thing how we gotta go open this again yeah he needs he needs I never heard this one

that was a new you know listen okay but you have this crap on it for right you it's a hornet look it up and in this**ers. I don't want to say the word, yes, vagina. Wow. So as you're penetrating the girl, it's also wh**ping against your cli**ers. I don't know if I can say that on the record. Okay, you learn something new every day. Okay. Yeah, but you're not supposed to know that, Sharla, because you're not a woman and you're not a lesbian. So how would you know? Tell them to satisfy business.

First of all, it's touch business. If you're putting it on Instagram, it's everybody business. So if you're putting it on Instagram, making a video for the world to see, I'm going to sit there and watch and be like, well, how the hell is that possible? That's a fact.

That's a fact. Yes. Because I'd be intrigued by the transgenders. Like the women going to boys and they keep showing that on my timeline. Like I want to be a boy. That's AI, man. That's AI. When you see the women transforming the boys on Instagram, that's AI. That's what that is. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to give a shout out to Lauren. I am so proud of you, Lauren. Continue doing your thing. Do not listen to Sharla

because your way is looking good, girl. Don't listen to him. For real. She ain't wore one in a while. Yeah. Either way, she looking good, Sharla. Don't do that to her. She is just a chocolate glistening.

Yes, she is. Lauren is the s***. Lauren is the s***. Shout out to Lauren. Why should we listen to you when you Bormin is the s***. Shout out to Laura. Why should we listen to you when you moan when somebody's s***ing your scrabble? Uh-uh. Happy birthday.

You have a happy birthday, America. All right, I love y'all. Shout out to everybody. I love y'all. Have a good day, man. Go! Oh my goodness. You listening to her?

Hello, who's this? Stupid. J.A. from Indy. What's up, J? Your paces is doing it. I mean, you don't have to tell me, but I appreciate you trying to support now. What's up J.A.? Your pace is doing it. I mean you don't have to tell me, but I appreciate you trying to support now. I'm not trying to support. I'm a Nick fan. I'm not supporting.

I'm going to be real quick and brief. It's not over. This is before your time and Lauren, this is before your time for being Charlotte Lane from Remember. Back in the day it was not over for the Fat Lady League. That's right. You can't go by the tail anymore because she don't know the lyrics., it's not over for the fat lady, please. That's right. Mm. Can't nobody tell anymore, because she on no cystic. But it's over.

Goodbye, Jay. No, it's not over, bro. Like, you need to remember Kobe Bryant. One day to celebrate. Job not done. Job not finished. Get it off your chest. 800-585-1051.

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Disagree to agree situation which you shard me real fast. You know, being a kid of rep for mental health. Yes, sir. It's men's mental health month too, by the way. Most definitely. And I feel like it's a direct shot to those men that portrayed to be gay. I mean, because if you're gay, I feel like that's a mental

health issue. Do you agree or disagree with that? No, I don't think like that's a mental health issue. Do you agree or disagree with that? No, I don't think being gay is a mental health issue. I think that people are bored. Why don't you figure? That's as far as the trauma. I mean, the person don't wake up and be like, oh, I'm attracted to men.

Something just has to happen in that mental state. I mean, that's where I feel like... I don't believe that, but continue. You know what I'm just saying? You really think about it. Really understand where I'm coming from like you really think about it really understand where I'm coming from. When I say mental health, mental health is something that

you within you. I mean, so now you portraying to be something that you're not and that is like a what don't you call that bipolar or like a multi personality person like that. So now you're portraying to be something that you're not. But I don't think that's a mental health issue. Yeah, I don't think they're portraying to be something that you're not. So that's a mental health issue. Yeah, I don't think they're portraying to be something that they're not. I think that, you know, you wake up and, you know, naturally you can't...

But that's a sexual preference, Charlamagne. That's a sexual preference. I don't... I mean, I'm not gay, so... I'm a married man of five. I don't know nothing about that, you know what I mean? But I'm saying, I was on TikTok and I had a panel and I was really talking about it and a lot of people got offended, but at the end of the day, you gotta keep it above.

At the end of the day, these b**** wanna pretend to be men and these men be on their pretend to be women. That's a mental health situation that we're gonna put on our own. What's happening right now? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, now you confusing things.

Now you talking about transgenders right now. You ain't talking about- Everything, everything. You're pretending to be, do you know the men that as the sassy voices that you have in the morning like that's a mess question can I ask you a question please please who pinched your butt why why why why no no no with this this morning what's up why I'm tired of people I'm tired of people like I'm tired people

judging people that's actually coming up with you my brother in the Bible how can you be gay and be Christian? let me ask you a question when the Bible claims, I mean come on like put 20 together bro the Bible also says do not judge and you're doing a lot of judging this morning let me ask you a question let me ask you a question who did you see that made you penis jump? was it Michael Jordan and sinners? come on tell me the truth

the emperor of DC that's what I mean you jumped I'm not messing with you Who did you see that made you penis jump was it Michael Jordan and sinners come on tell me the truth Hello who's this why you gotta get fruity pebbles though hello Hello, who's this? He wouldn't even eat fruity pebbles without saying false. Ron, what's up? Get over here, Chaz Ron. What's going on? Good morning, EAB Chaz. Charlamagne, how y'all doing? What's up, mama?

Peace, peace. Hey, Charlamagne. Yes, sir. Don't try to switch up now, bro, because you would have no points in the paper. That's not true. By the way, I still don't think they're gonna win the series. I mean, that's why I said it.

I said, my prediction was, I don't know what the numbers are gonna be. I don't know if it'll be game six, game seven, but I think the OKC gonna win the series. I mean, yeah, but nobody has faces the pace is from. Game one, I mean, Brown one against the Brooks, against the Cavs, Orange against the Knicks. Y'all are really talking about done again. I thought they were done versus Cleveland.

I thought they were gonna be done versus the Knicks. And I definitely- Why'd you say they were done versus Cleveland? They won Cleveland were gonna be done versus the Knicks and I definitely Cleveland it went Cleveland for one. Yeah, but no one before they even played Cleveland. I didn't think they had a chance I think they had a shot. So like I said, this might be this might have injuries though Who was my god's name on Cleveland? That was her and I can't remember right now. Thank God Yeah, but I didn't think they were gonna have a shot but I mean y'all this might be to one everybody relax I don't even think they was going to one We're not comparing

We're not comparing the Knicks to the Oklahoma City Thunder guys. Okay, Oklahoma City Thunder have been the best team in the league all year. It's a seven game series. Cleveland has been the best team on the East and they beat Cleveland. Yeah, but they were hurt. They had injuries, man. They had like injuries. I cannot remember who was injured. It was a star player. Who was injured? Who? Yeah, Maurice?

Darius Garland. Darius Garland, exactly. Now we got the latest with Lauren coming up. What are we talking about? Yes. We are going to talk about Miss Ananda Lewis, and we're going to take some time and send some love to her family and just reflect on her career.

All right. We'll get into that next since the Breakfast Club come on. The Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren be coming with straight face. She gets in from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details. I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.

She be having the latest on it. The latest with Lauren LaRosa. Sometimes she have facts, sometimes she have details, sometimes she have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest. On the Breakfast Club. Talk to me. So we want to take some time this morning to send some love to Ananda Lewis's family. She passed away yesterday after a battle with breast cancer. The news was announced by her sister via her sister's Facebook. Ananda Lewis, for those who may not know, trailblazing TV host, model, Howard

University graduate. She was an advocate. She with BET's teen summit in 1995, MTV TRL and Hot Zone in 97. She also did her own syndicated daytime talk show in 2001, the Ananda Lewis show and then she worked for a bunch of other outlets including ET. She was crowned the hip hop generation's it girl back in 99 by the New York Times. And she'd been very vocal about her battle with breast cancer. So she spoke to ABC just about, you know, her legacy and how she wanted to be remembered. Let's take a listen. What is it that you hope people say about you, people remember about you?

Maybe that I loved hard and lived loud and didn't back away from problems and loved this life and was okay with letting it go too. So sad. Very sad. The most tragic thing about that story is reading how she regretted how she chose to handle her initial diagnosis. And she said she didn't get regular mammograms. She wanted to do alternative methods when she got diagnosed. And yeah. Yeah. And we actually had that clip. That was in the same ABC interview where she talked about her experience with mammograms. Let's take a listen to that. I wanted to share what was happening to me

because I saw places I could have done better. I really do believe that everything is working for my good. I know by 47 I should have had my first mammogram, right? And I didn't do that because I saw my mom do it for 30 years and she still ended up being diagnosed with breast cancer. I didn't have the understanding then that I had now.

So I did the best I could with the information I had at the time and now that's changed. But that's also one of the reasons I decided to share. I wanted other women who were avoiding mammograms to just bite the bullet and go get it. Yes, especially if you got a history of it in your family. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I actually started early with like full body scans and mammograms because of the history of my family. But I will say for a lot of people when you see it in real time, you see it happen to someone else, it does make your way of thinking about treatment

or other things very like your own experience. And I don't think people understand it until you actually go through it. Yeah. There's a lot of misinformation online or maybe it's true information. I have no idea. But I know when Gia went and she got her mammogram and she posted about it and talked about the experience there was a lot of people in the comments that were saying don't get a mammogram mammogram makes the cancer come faster and yeah a lot of people are saying that so people believe that as well but you know we always say go to the doctor get checked out no matter rather know what

happens and be able to try to figure it out before it's too late yeah somebody some of these things are preventable and I don't care if people call you a hyperchondriac, I don't care if people tell you that you bugging, take your ass to the doctor. Don't listen to TikTok. Yes, 100%. Yeah, so I do wanna mention that the day that Ananda passed away was her son,

Langston's graduation from middle school. So it is of course a bittersweet day for their family. That is what her sister told TMZ. But they also talked about she was surrounded by her family at her home when this happened, and they've already began planning a memorial for her in the next few weeks. And her family says that they have received an outpouring of love, especially from celebrities who she's encountered and encountered in her career who already are telling her family they want to speak during her memorial about how she influenced their careers and

How she handled their interviews with them so well during their careers which ultimately helped them so she's one of those ones who influenced so many but didn't get her just do and I think it's because and Like there was no There was no social media back then so it didn't amplify what it was that she was doing and it didn't preserve a lot of those moments for this generation to go back and watch, if that makes sense. Yeah, I think you gotta go down a rabbit hole

on YouTube to see Ananda's clips. But also too, my biggest thing with watching her, when I did get to see her, when people would read clips and stuff like that, her look and just how she carried herself, even in her sit down interviews, like she had huge interviews, but she was always like the same in every single interview, but she was well researched.

She had her own talk show. I remember when they was saying Ananda was gonna be the next Oprah. I mean, it was daytime syndicated talk show. That's a huge slot to have. Yes, before the Wendy's, right there, like. Before the Wendy's, right there. Right around Wendy's, you still doing it? No, no, no.

Wendy was on the radio. That was 2001. Her, the Annalou show was 2001. Yes. They were saying she was going to be the next Oprah. Well, sending her family love. I know that they need it right now and just wanted to take some time to say rest in peace to her.

Absolutely. And remember her. And a lighter news update. Remember we talked about Deion Sanders coach Ron. So he has posted on his Twitter just thanking everybody for the outpouring of love that he received and wanted to let us know that he's doing well. So he said, Wow, I am truly blessed by the abundance of well wishes for all the thoughts and prayers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I can assure you all everything is okay. And we'll continue to be so God got me like no other I have so much more work to do to glorify God so please believe God got me. I'm excited to get back to Colorado to be at home with my staff team and all associated to our program. When we arrive back to Boulder you'll be updated on everything until then I'm coming baby hashtag coach prime. Luke the coach prime. Luke the prime. Definitely sending him healing and NJ. Yes. That's it for the first hour. Until then, I'm coming baby, hashtag Coach Prime. Salute to Coach Prime. Salute to Prime.

Definitely sending him healing and NJ. Yes, that's it for the first hour. All right, that's the latest with Lauren. Now when we come back, we got front page news. So don't go anywhere, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake up, wake up, wake up. You're locked into the Breakfast Club.

Morning everybody, it's DJ NV, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy, we are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back to some front page news. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all, his wife Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives.

You're going to want to divorce me. Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No. How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done? You're unable to keep track of all your lies.

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Now last night, NBA, the Paces beat the OKC 116-107. The Paces lead the series 2-1. What's up, Morgan? Hey, y'all, hey so as previously mentioned in last hour Elon Musk is walking back what he said about President Donald Trump saying that he went too far. Now this follows the war of words with the president on social media last week which started with his opposition to Trump's massive spending bill and culminated with him claiming that Trump was mentioned in the Epstein files Musk later deleted the post Now Musk is saying that he has regrets

And that he regrets some of the posts he made about Trump and wrote on X this Yesterday morning that they went too far. What do you guys think about that? I still don't believe any of this feud I think it was all wrestling I still believe that, you know, Elon's companies were suffering and, you know, they wanted to do something to try to get him in good standing and it still didn't work. I think they said he lost like a hundred and fifty two billion dollars in Tesla stock on the same day that it happened. But when you think about all the other things that can come from this, like, you know, they're talking about building a

golden dome. Who you think's gonna get that contract? You know, they're still going to be giving them government contracts for SpaceX. I think, I just think it was all, I really think it was all wrestling. I really do. I think the only way Elon's gonna really save his companies is to step down. Interesting take. All right, let's switch gears to LA. The White House says the anti-ice protests in Los Angeles are aimed at American culture and society. Press secretary, Caroline Levitt said California is being led by Democrat radicals. She accused LA Mayor Karen Bass of engaging in a campaign of lies, blaming President Trump and law enforcement officers for the violence and slammed California Governor Gavin Newsom's response to the protests. Let's take a listen to Press Secretary

Caroline Levitt. These attacks were aimed not just at law enforcement, but at American culture and society itself. Rioters burned American flags, chanted Death to ICE, and spray painted anti-American slogans on buildings. Democrats like Governor Gavin Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass shamefully failed to meet their sworn obligations to their citizens. They didn't have the courage to do the right thing and protect law abiding Californians from rioters. That's why President Trump deployed the National Guard and mobilized Marines.

Levin also warned cities attempting similar types of protests will not be successful. She added President Trump will never allow mob rule and he won't allow his mass deportation efforts to be deterred by left wing radicals. You know, the most interesting thing about this Morgan is, you know, if you listen to people who actually live in Los Angeles, like who actually live in LA, they are saying the White House and media are hyping this situation up.

They're saying it's an isolated incident and it's nowhere near as bad as the media and White House are portraying it. Yeah, let's get into that. In fact, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, she declared a local emergency as anti-ice protest stretch into its sixth day. Now the interesting fact that you mentioned

is that the actual area seems to be about a one mile to two mile block radius in terms of the grand scheme of LA city and LA county. So Bass issued the 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew on Tuesday for part of downtown LA part of downtown LA The curfew covers a one to two mile square Area where the majority of the violence and vandalism has taken place since Friday It's expected to remain in place for at least the next several days now bass spoke about what led her to make the decision

To issue a state of emergency and the curfew. Let's take a listen to her comments decision to issue a state of emergency and the curfew. Let's take a listen to her comments. Clearly after the violence that took place last night, 23 businesses looted and just the extensive widespread nature of the vandalism, we reached a tipping point and declared a state of emergency and called for the curfew. Now California Governor Gavin Newsom, he says the state is increasing state and regional

law enforcement to that region. Newsom says the effort is increasing state and regional law enforcement to that region. Newsom says the effort is to, in his words, clean up Trump's mess amid protests that have turned violent at times. Let's take a listen to comments from California Governor Gavin Newsom. It is wrong to destroy other people's property and it is wrong to create the conditions that only exacerbate this. But Donald Trump at the end end of the day, is the sponsor of these conditions. So Newsom says he is working to send over 800 additional offers officers to Los Angeles to manage and help the situation and restore order. So dozens were arrested yesterday. LAPD officers issued another dispersal order after declaring unlawful assembly outside the downtown federal buildings. Like I, like I always say, man,

all humans, regardless of what your race is, your sexuality is, your gender, you know, in this country, we just want some money in our pocket and we want to feel safe. Sending the National Guard and the Marines in the LA to deal with people protesting ICE raids, that's not making folks feel safe. Like if you are gonna be putting the military

on people who are, you know, assembling and protesting, peacefully protesting, that's not gonna make anybody feel safe. Like if you're going to be putting the military on people who are, you know, assembling and protesting, peacefully protesting, that's not going to make anybody feel safe. Even if you're not out there, that shouldn't make you feel safe. But wait, there's more, something to note. If ICE plans to deploy, that ICE plans to deploy tactical units to locations across the country ahead of expected protest activity this weekend. That's according to a report from Fox News. So-called special response teams will be deployed in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle, and Northern Virginia, and possibly even Washington, D.C. Similar teams, of course, were deployed in Los Angeles in recent days amid the anti-ICE demonstrations.

It's being called No Kings Day. It's a protest are anticipated across the country Saturday to coincide with the Trump administration's military parade marking president's birthday and also the army's birthday. So keep that in mind if you're in one of those major cities and you plan to venture out. And please ICE agents, just don't forget who you have to. Okay, you have to illegal immigrants, you have to these people coming into America illegally, you know, the ones that y'all told us are committing crimes, like, you know, no, I don't think nobody is against the deportation of

illegal immigrants who are here committing crimes. Just go after the criminals, like don't go after, you know, people who are just trying to make it in this country who are just trying to figure it out. Like, you know, that's that's I think that's the issue. The issue is, you know, people going to what are the things called the immigration court and getting locked up there. People that are actually trying to go through the process and do the right thing

and they're getting snatched up and deported. That's where the issues are. All right, y'all, so that's the Pure Front Page news. I'm Morgan Wood. Follow me on socials at Morgan Media. And for more news coverage, follow at Black Information Network. Download the free iHeartRadio app

and visit us at BINnews.com. Thank you all so much. Thank you, Morgan. All right, Morgan. Peace, Morgan. Now, when we come back, Rodney Jerkins will be joining us. We're going to be kicking him with Rodney Jerkins and his new artist, John Keith. You know Rodney Jerkins, producer extraordinaire.

He did everything from You Rock My World, from Michael Jackson, The Boy Is Mine, Brandi and Monica, Say My Name, Destiny's Child, just to name a few. We'll talk to him next. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ, Envy, Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne, the guy. We are The Breakfast Club.

We got some special guests in the building. That's right. We got the OG, the icon, the legend, Rodney Jerkins, celebrating 30 years of Dark Child. He's inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame that's big congratulations and he also brought his new artist John Keith how you feeling first and foremost? I'm good. You good? John Keith no pressure but Rodney has sold over 500 million records worldwide

he's worked with Whitney Houston Michael Jackson Beyonce Beyonce, Brandy, Justin Bieber, Sidney Sam Smith, just to name a few. No pressure, no pressure, okay? Easy work, easy work. Yeah. So how you feeling from the start? Well, we gotta get to, you know, I like to bring when we have icons and legends like you, I like to start from the beginning. Now you, from Atlantic City.

Yes, sir. From Atlantic City, and how did you get into music? What made you say, I wanna be a producer? And then being from Atlantic City, anybody from Atlantic City, I from Atlantic City will tell you, it's very difficult to get out there. How did you get out there where people started hearing your beats

and you started selling some stuff? My mom was a housekeeper. So she would go and she would take care of other people's houses and she would hear these little kids playing piano or being taught. She was like, I need this guy to teach my son. So I'm five years old, I didn't wanna play the piano. Be honest, but my dad had a house rule.

You gotta play piano to live under this roof. So all the siblings play, we all play. I took the lessons and probably when I was about 10, 11, I discovered, like I wanted to be a producer. I heard Michael Jackson's album. And then I started kind of, you know, back in the day you read the credits. Teddy Rowley was someone that I really admired.

I saw Teddy Rowley on a lot of credits credits and I'm like, I want to do this I need to do this. So back in the day there was a magazine called black Yeah, yeah, and I saw an interview and it said like oh, it had like all the top producers Pete Rock You know every everybody and it was like we use the NPCPC to make the beats. MPC 60 back then right? MPC 60 and I was like I need this I need this. Can't afford that. My dad borrowed $1,200 off his life insurance. Got the MPC for me. Uh huh. There we go.

Random question. How was it growing up in Atlantic City? Because I love Atlantic City because my daughter does a lot of cheerleading competitions and for some reason when I go out there I just get a good peace of mind. Like I go out there and write and all types of of mind like I got there and writing all types of stuff how was it growing up there as a child? It was hard because there was no outlet there was no studios there there was no outlet for music so I had to get on New Jersey Transit you know taking that two and a half hour bus ride pretty much every other day just to try to get put on. Wow, to New York? But yeah but let me tell you I got discovered

I got discovered by Teddy Riley at the Impact Convention. Where was that at? Lang City. Wow, break that down. So he heard a demo that I produced. He wasn't really into the guy singing the demo, but he was like, yo, this producer is dope. So the manager told me, I told my dad, I'm like, dad,

Teddy Riley heard it, we need to go see him. He's like, where's he at? I said, well, I'm like, Dad, Teddy Riley heard it, we need to go see him. He's like, where's he at? I said, well, the credits say he's in Virginia Beach. So we got to go to Virginia Beach. My dad was like, that's like a six hour drive. Like whatever, let's go. So we hop in the car, we hop in the van, the church van, because my dad's a pastor, hop in the church van, we go to Virginia Beach. Stan and Teddy Riley, we was in this parking lot probably for like half the day. Now for people that don't know, Teddy Raleigh's from Harlem.

He built this huge studio in Virginia Beach and it was beautiful. Everybody worked there from Pharrell to Bobby Brown to Michael Jackson. Yep. So we go there in the parking lot, we're just waiting for him to show up and then finally he shows up like six, seven hours later. We pull up on him and I'm like, I'm the kid that produced, I'm like literally 14 years old. I'm like, you just heard my beat.

He was like, that was you? And I was like, yeah. He was like, come on, come in the studio. Rest is history. Wow. And so now I'm getting inducted at Teddy Raleigh's, the one inducted me. Wow.

That's amazing. Where did the famous Dark Child come from? Where did you get that? I just, you know, it was really, the name itself came from the style that I felt that I was creating. I loved Dark Minor Chords I was youthful, you know, I'm a young kid. So I kind of took those words and played with it But then I just started saying I didn't know that I was really one of the first ones probably maybe the first one doing a

Producer tag. I didn't know it at the time because I was just like I was just trying to brand myself So I was like, how do you know who did the record? So I was like Doc Child. I was just like, I was just trying to brand myself. So I was like, how they gonna know who did the record? So I was like, Doc Child. I was saying, Doc Child. And then what happened was the artists started to say it. So like Tony Braxton sang it, and then Whitney said it, and then Michael said it, and then her said it. They just started saying it.

So I was like, I ain't gotta say it no more. Let them say it. I love that. Now I gotta ask, now you just glazed over Michael Jackson. Talk about how you started working with Michael Jackson. How was that call and how was he in the studio? Cause you were actually in the studio with him. The greatest artist I've ever worked with, hands down.

Like, I ain't no, I'm 21 years old. You're talking about a 21 year old kid working with Michael Jackson. How did they call? How was that, how did he reach out? Oh, it called, yo, this is real crazy. It called from a dream. What? It happened from a dream. What?

It happened from a dream. Oh. Why didn't you say that before? I was in my mom and dad's house on the couch. Took a nap. And I had a dream, literally had this dream that I was pulling up to the studio with glass windows. And I saw Michael Jackson in a red shirt,

that red shirt with the black pants in the window. I woke up from the dream, told my mother and father the dream I just had, the phone rings like 10 minutes later, lady by the name of Carol Bayer Seger calls. You probably don't even know what that is. She wrote That's What Friends Are For, it's the older lady, whatever she said. I had Say My Name Out at the time by Destiny's Child. She goes, Rodney, I love this song you have have out I want to know if you would love to come to my house and work this week. And I was like I didn't even know she was she was

like I'm working with Michael Jackson. I was like where? She's like Bel Air. I was like I'm in Jersey but I'm out. I'm going for real. I got on the plane and I stayed in a hotel until she called me. She called me on Thursday four days days later and was like, can you come to the house today? I'm like, yeah, I came. I kid you not, man. I'm pulling up the driveway. I look to the left. I see Michael Jackson in the window with the red shirt.

Damn. Staring out the window. Just like the dream, bro. I was like, nobody can't tell me God ain't real. Have you ever told him that? Did you tell him that? 100%. I literally told him.

I'm like, you know, he believes in stuff like that. He's like, yeah, that's how it was supposed to happen. Is that how you say it? That's how it was supposed to happen. Damn. Mike's voice is actually deeper than that. I bet it is. I've been hearing that.

That's how it was supposed to happen. You know, he's a little deeper than that, right? But it was true. Like, I just feel like God just went and showed me exactly how I was going to be so I can have the story to be able to tell him one day how I was supposed to be. I wanna say Envy is, it's glossed over, not glazed over. He definitely said glazed over.

Even though Michael Jackson deserves all the glazing cause he's the greatest of all time, it's glossed over. Glossed over. Jesus Christ. It's all right. It's crazy. It's crazy. Now talk about MJ working with MJ, how was that?

Amazing, he worked me hard bro, he different like he'd be like he would call three four o'clock in the morning be like can I hear what you're working on over the phone and I'd be like I'm actually not working right now I'm actually trying to take a nap because I've been up for 30 hours. No well can you go to the studio right now and play like he's like that I get up and drive to the studio and play him and Mike was so crazy with it that it was crazy. I was playing some on the phone, he'd be like, can you turn the hi-hats down three dBs and make sure they're panned to the left?

And I'd be like, really? He goes, yes. And I would be bugging and all, the only thing I could think of, right? Which is just crazy, right? Michael Jackson was taught by Barry Gordy, Quincy Jones, Teddy Rowland. So that school, I'm a part of that school now.

But dude was, he was incredible, bro. Like, and a great person. Like, you know, we used to bet DVDs, we played pool together. Bet DVDs. Bet DVDs. I used to bet him, he beat me because I scratched. And we go shopping right here in Virgin Music Store in Times Square. He would walk in there with you?

He put the disguise on. We went there and I had to buy the DVDs. A lot of people don't know this, I took Michael to Rocker Park. In disguise. To watch basketball? No one knows this. When we did Rock My World, Michael kept saying,

we need to go to a club and test it out. And I was like, I got one better. I said, I'm gonna take this spot called Record Park. And I didn't let him get out the car, but I just wanted him to feel the energy. So I went to Record Park and I played the record. And they was going crazy. They didn't know that Mike, the window was cracked the whole time. They didn't know Mike was in the car. Wow, that's crazy.

We're still kicking in with producer Rodney Jerkins. He has his artist John Keith with him as well. Charlamagne, you know, you talk about Michael Jackson, you worked with him, you worked with Whitney, you worked with Brandy, Beyonce. What's something they all had in common in the studio that separated them from everybody else? Tenacity. You're talking about artists that separated them from everybody else? Tenacity. You're talking about artists that focused on making albums, which is another art form that we've lost a little bit. It wasn't about just the single. It was about how to make a great album. I feel like a lot of them sometimes got caught up

in trying to compete with themselves, especially Michael. Like he was overly trying to compete with himself. You'll never beat Thriller. How could you? Yeah. You know what I mean? But he believed he would. If Michael was alive or was doing what he was doing

in the streaming world, I believe he could have beat it. Really? Yeah, I believe he could have beat it. But you know what's interesting with an album like Thriller or any artist, what are you trying to beat interesting with an album like Thriller or any artists What are you trying to beat are you trying to beat yourselves? Are you just trying to be better musically? I would think you just would want to be better music. I don't think so. Hmm I think someone like Michael got obsessed with knowing the numbers that he that he was so high that

He wasn't competing against anyone else anymore Musically, it wasn't a race with Prince anymore. It wasn't all, he's like, I already beat you. Now I'm trying to beat me, right? And he would say, I think there's a day where I could do a billion sales. That lets me know that he's racing for that. He's racing for a number.

And he had to because in his mind, he was like, how do you stay hungry? How do you stay hungry? When you're the greatest, like how do you stay hungry? How do you stay hungry? When you're the greatest, how do you get up for the fight? Like you know a lot of great fighters lose fights because they just can't get up for the fight anymore. Because they've done that, that's why you gotta give props to someone like a Floyd Mayweather.

You gotta be like yo this dude stay hungry, like no matter what. He was super competitive. He was super competitive with me, meaning like he would challenge me and tell me like Yo that produce over there. He's coming for you He would tell me just like I'm like you crazy if you think he got a chance to get on this project you out of Your mind that's how we talked but he liked that

Y'all were here to stir about Jay-Z doing the summer jam bringing Michael out We've heard stories. No, no. He brought Michael out at summer jam. That doesn't happen without me introducing him to Michael. Break it down. Jay-Z, again, Jay-Z wants to meet Michael Jackson. So my man, Big Chuck, Big John, all them call me like,

yo, can you introduce Jay to Mike? I'm like, yeah, I got even know Jay yet. I'm like, yeah, I got him. Bring him to the studio. That was actually, that was the first time I seen Jay kind of in a, just a very chill, like, yo, this Michael Jackson. Oh yeah, like this Michael Jackson.

I introduced him to Michael. We had a great conversation, we talking. Next thing you know, a couple months later, he calls Michael to do Summer Jam. Mike does it. Even 50 Cent, it was just, I was introducing him to people that wanted to meet him and that he wanted to meet. Mike was a die-hard 50 fan at the time. Like no other rapper mattered to Michael. They 50. 50 and Biggie. Can you imagine Michael Jackson while in the What Up Gangsta?

Damn. Yes. Low-key? Yeah. From what Ronnie said, yes. I could imagine that. I'm interested in, I was gonna ask you about this but I want to ask you about it. Now I'm interested in I was gonna ask you about this, but I want to ask you about it now I'm interested in your visions, right? You just told us the vision you had about Michael and I heard the vision you had about Jay-Z Yeah, has Michael or Whitney visited you in any way? He used to sing at my dad's church in Pleasantville, New Jersey a little church with 50 50 people in it Call me up one day. I think Charlotte man in a dream, but I'm in this dream. I had one of your visions. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, Michael for sure. Mm-hmm Call me up one day. I think Shalom and in a dream, but I'm like this. One of your visions. Yeah. Yeah.

Michael for sure. Michael for sure. You want to share? Not as much Whitney, but like, well, Michael for sure. Just lie to just be like, I'm back in the lab with Michael created. And the crazy thing is, is when I've had that dream, which has happened a few times,

it was something like musically incredible and when I got up I couldn't remember what I was creating but in the dream it was like whoa it didn't sound like anything from here. Now you were talking about Whitney coming to your dad's church. Yeah like so me and Whitney bonded when I worked with her spiritually we bonded and one day she just called me out the blue and she was just like, Hey, what you doing? Dark child early in the morning, early Sunday morning. I was like, it's like eight o'clock in the morning. What you mean? What am I doing?

She goes, I want to go to church today. And I was like, okay. And she's like, no, I want to go to your church. And I was like, my church is like two and a half hours from Mendham, New Jersey. She was like, I'm on my way. And she pulled up to church. Like she pulled up and she sang. She whispered in my ear, she was like, tell your daddy I wanna sing. What year was this? This is like 1998 or nine. Wow.

And crazy, she sang, killed it. But here, three months before she passed away, she called me up. I ain't talked to her in like, probably five years. She called me say I need to see you. I said, What's up? She goes, we need to pray together. She's like, where you at? I said, I'm in my studio in Hollywood. She goes, I'm on my way. She came all the way down from Newport Beach, wherever she was living at the time, literally came in the studio. And next thing you know, it turned into like a church service in the

studio, just three months before she passed away away so we've always had that like some of that type of connection you know we always hear conspiracy theories like you know they'd be like oh Bill Cosby was trying to buy NBC Michael's the only person I believe they really really tried to the railroad like that because of what he did with the publishing in the music industry talked about it all the time he talked about it all the time one thing I will with the publishing in the music industry. He talked about it all the time. He talked about it all the time. One thing I will say is that in the studio he would always talk about how he lived in a certain fear. And I used to always try to reel him in a direction like, yo, you only supposed to fear God. Man can't, shouldn't have you feeling like that. No man

should have you living in that space. But he lived in that space a lot, because he felt like he had something that was so valuable. Which he did. He had something so valuable that people wanted. He owned like half of Sony ATV's publishing right now. Yeah, I think what people have confused, I'm glad you said it that way,

because I think people have confused the narrative. People for so long have said, Michael owned the Beatles catalog. I heard that. No, Michael owned Sony ATV. That's right. Which is Babyface, Mariah, the Beatles. Probably some of my catalog was in there. Is that what happens in the industry? Yes. You've got three giants, right? At the time you had three giants and Sony was pretty much the biggest out of three at that time. And they did a deal with him that, you know, forever he felt that they wanted back. You think they threw all those cases at Michael because they wanted it back?

I think it could have had something to do with it. I'm not going to say exactly that, but it could have had something to do with it. But I believe none of it. Because I was around Mike all the time and I knew the kind of person he was so I'm like they really trying to kill his character yeah and he would say like he'd be like they just don't they just they just can't stand that I'm the greatest he would literally say that he literally say that he just can't stand that I'm the greatest how was his mind framed during that time do you feel like the culture especially black people

supported him and loved him or did he feel like the world was turning against him? Now I would say we started to surround him with that. Like if you look there was a period where I think he didn't feel that and I felt like he was like, I need this, right? So there were certain people that he started to reach out to, to put their arms around him and he started to feel that. That's why he would do a summer jam with Jay-Z. It was really like he knew like I need people to have my back in this and then certain people did wrap their arms around him. And as things progressed, the one thing I can tell you about Michael that I started to learn was his family was strong. Like his family, like when they got together and wore all that white, they were in those white going into court each day,

you saw that unity in a different type of light. You're like, Oh, yo, these Jackson's, they're not playing around with this, they unified. And I think that helped him even though he was like probably going through a mentally weak and all of that. And it's tough when you know, you pretty much own something that everybody We gonna get to you. But you know, you gotta sit here and listen. We ain't never interviewed you, right?

I prefer that. I don't wanna go after Michael, that's crazy. I got you. We're still kicking it with Rodney Jerkins and his artist, John Keith. Charlamagne, did you see Beyonce becoming the Beyonce we now know, back then? Yeah, 100%.

From the first session. Say My Name was our first session. And then, you know, we worked together again. And then I got to Deja Vu with her and Jay Jay that's when I really knew. I saw the difference right because in the group in the group format she still was in the group. If you really look at Destiny Shout as a group they never really showed her as the leader. You know how you're in certain groups and you know like that's the that's the leader. No they it was kind of trying to position them somewhat like a boys and

men where they all could do their thing. But we saw the leadership qualities when we worked with her, right? But when I got to Deja Vu, bro, I remember playing her the demo to Deja Vu for first time. When the song went off, she was already telling me her visual for the visuals. So she was like, this is how I see it,

I'm gonna put J on it. Like she was telling me, like, she remind me of so much of Michael was scary Like at that time I was like, yo, she just came in. She just came into her own mic like she's now You know, I could just see the elevation of that, you know what I mean? Like really quickly. Besides Whitney and Michael Jackson, who is one of your best artists to work with like the timing the fact that they're there all the time They're gonna grind it out. They're amazing and vocalists. Who was that next person? Of course besides Beyoncé. Probably Brandi. I would think.

That's my girl. Take us into a session with Brandi. Well Brandi, it was the regiment that she had that was interesting, right? Especially when I was doing Never Say Never, but Full Moon especially. Like she was playing tennis with Serena Williams before the session every day, right? Which was interesting. That was crazy. You got so many stories, guys.

Yeah, she was practicing with Serena every day and she would come in the studio, shout out to my man, Paris Davis, because he was the A&R, like a real A&R cat, right? And he had her, he was the one that said, you need to be playing tennis. So he had her playing tennis early in the morning, come in the studio. John can tell you as an artist nowadays, artists can do a song in one day. They done it in and

out a few hours. It's done. We was doing songs. It was taking us three, four days. We really working on backgrounds just on one day. I remember times when people, a lot of artists would actually be like, yo, Rodney, please let me go. I'm tired. I'm like, we ain't done. Like, it's not right yet. Until we get this thing right, we're not done. Brandy was one of those artists that would go the full length and not complain about it. Mike would even sometimes complain like, Rodney, I'm getting hoarse. Like his vocal coach would call me Seth Rives and call me like, you're working, you're working too hard, Rodney, you're working too hard. I'm like you're working on music working on song, but like what we do How does that affect you now with these new artists, right?

Because they're not staying in the studio that long our too So how do you still have that same conversation with a new artist to say now? I need you to come back I need you to stay longer. It's not happening And then like you said you'll'll be like, you used to be like, look, we're not done. So your artists stay there because they know the work and dedication is going to make for great music. You tell one of these, you know, new artists that they don't even know what eight to 10 hour, 12 hour.

It was times, you know, me personally, I stay in the studio. People know like I wouldn't leave. Yeah, I'd be there two, three days straight. People like after three, four hours, they kind kinda like, yo, it's time to go. So the music is worse. I don't know when that shift happened exactly. I think like maybe hip hop caused it. You know what I mean?

Or maybe when we hear stories of like, when Lil Wayne says, yo, I'm working on this album from the hotel. It may have created a narrative like, yo, I don't need to go in the studio in the booth anymore. I could just do it. Like he did a record right out of his car that's fire. Like they, you know, maybe that's what happened.

Like something had to shift. Technology. Technology. So if a young producer came to you right now and they was like, your Hot Hot Crayon brand, your Hot Hot Crayon, Beyonce in this era, is there a blueprint for that? Didn't Jay-Z say like, if you made a whole, make another hole, there ain't no blueprint.

Right? You just gotta work hard and put the effort. If that's something that you really want to try to do, I just think again it goes back to you gotta study the craft, right? And go hard and see what you can come up with and be patient. Because I think the thing is everybody wants the quick thing right now. Tomorrow we gotta be this tomorrow. Nah, like some stuff takes. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone. Most of all, his wife Caroline.

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Justin Lauren when they did the rendition of the job is mine I thought it was hilarious but I thought it was hilarious we need a little more auditors, auditors was set wrong next time I call the, I'll get you straight. I'll get you straight next time. What was the one record that you were surprised took off the way that it was? It might have been that one. The Boyz Mom.

Yeah, because we were going through this battle when I was doing the Never Say Never project. You understand, I was a kid, bro. So there was some people that didn't believe that I should do the whole album executive produced a whole album I'm in there and I'm like and I'm I'm young but I'm super confident y'all are tripping like this is fire and he was telling me this is crazy they were telling me at the end of the project they were like so yeah we got to go fly down Atlanta to work with JD to get a single we got to go then we're gonna do Wyclef to get a single. And I was like, in the studio, you kinda feel disrespected,

especially when you've done like nine songs. You're trying to tell me, we just did nine songs, and you tell me I don't got the first single? And this is my body of work that I'm putting my in here, and I don't got the first single? I swear on everything I love, I packed my bags up and went home from LA. I went back to Jersey, and I I said y'all figure it out.

Damn. And then they called back and was like, oh wait wait wait wait. I was like y'all a trip. We got singles left and right. Just put them things out. What had you, what had you recorded already? What was some of the ones you recorded already? Top of the World with Mace. Yes. The Boyz Mind, which was early early on in the project. I mean we had Angel in the Sky. We had did pretty much everything. How did The Boyz Mind, which was early, early on in the project. I mean, we had Angel in the Sky. We had did pretty much everything. How did The Boy's Mind, was that your idea? And how did that come about?

How did you get them both together? The Boy's Mind's funny. I was just, again, at my dad's house and I was like playing this harp sound. And I was like, nobody use a harp sound in urban music. For when they used it, they used it one way. Chuckie Thompson and different producers like Dave Hall back in the day and the Untouchables,

they used the harp sound like it's called gliss, like it would come down like a gliss. I heard it and I liked the sound of it. I was like, what if I made like rhythmic and I broke it up, like broke it into rhythm. So I just started doing it. And my dad came down with a little tape recorder. He's always had a little tape recorder.

He'd be like, that's incredible. You got to lay that. And then I laid it down in Paris Davis, Brandy's A&R. He heard and we recorded it on Brandy and he was like, yo, what if we put Monique on this? And at that time, Monique and Brandy, they all kind of didn't like each other. It was definitely a feud between the two. And I was like, oh, that's never going to happen. Knowing Brand, oh, that's never gonna happen. Knowing Brandy and knowing that's never gonna happen, he's like, nah, I think it could happen. If I get you on the phone with Dallas Austin,

and I was like, all right, and then next thing you know, it started to shake. And even when it came out, here's the thing, I wasn't surprised that it was gonna do well. I didn't know it was gonna stay number one for that long. It's like 13, 14 weeks number one. Like we did 16 million albums sold on that project. So like those types of things for my first,

my second album was, I did Genie Tom, but my second album that I produced, executive producer to do those numbers was kind of crazy. You know what's crazy? Back then, right? Like nowadays people manufacture the drama, then try to do the music with that record it was the song the music and then people started speculating about the drama after the fact like is there really a boy that they arguing over we know that they got

beef with each other so that's and plus the video I mean the fact you think about them doing a tour right they about to do a tour together yeah talking about yeah like this they wanted a tour together 15 years ago, right? You know what I mean? But you know, it's time of everything, I get it, but like, dang, like, man, imagine them doing the tour together 15 years ago, that would have been crazy. It would have been like baddies, but for baddies. But this gonna be crazy though. They didn't get along.

We're still kicking in with producer Rodney Jerkins. He has his artist, John Keith, with him as well. Charlamagne? Was there ever an artist you worked with who completely surprised you in the booth? Like somebody whose talent just hit different when they got on the mic? I think I think I think SZA is underestimated. Like like I think sometimes like artists will vocalize based on what's hot on what's going on when there's so much more there.

They just not giving it because they don't have to. Right. I think there's a lot more there they just not giving it because they don't have to right I think there's a lot more there yeah like a lot of a lot of times I'll be when I work with sis a lot of time I actually would get some brandy out of it I'd be like it's kind of like some of the some of the stuff she done like some brandy might have would have done but then like her runs yeah it's just certain little things just little nuances that I'm like oh that's something but I don't know that she fully even yet Knows that she can even go somewhere else I'm just like one of those people that The more she does the work

Personally like to improve her mental and emotional well-being is gonna translate to the music Okay, and the question is like well for me, this is what I believe. I just believe that don't happen unless you find God. And I'm not saying she don't know God or had an experience with God, so don't get that part twisted. But I believe, like, in order for us to mentally be at our best state is when we know God. Right? Because the Bible says that he's not the author

of confusion. So, and you got to have a sober mind, right? Your mind got to be on point and that only comes from a real understanding, a real relationship. I think people have twisted the narrative too much of religious. That's religion. Well, I ain't got nothing to do with nothing. It's relationship. Like, what's your relationship like? I have a great relationship with my four kids. I got two boys, two girls. I have a great relationship. I'm their father. I have a father, a heavenly father. I have a great relationship with. It ain't religious. It's just like I know how to talk to him and I hear him speak to me. It ain't religious. It's just like, I know how to talk to him and I hear him speak to me.

It's simple as that. So I feel like when you have that relationship, it creates clear path for the things that you create and the things that you wanna do. Can you work with an artist if you don't see God in it? Right now it's different for me. There was a time where like, I would be straddling that fence over and over again because I didn't look at it for what it was. And I think over

the last two years there's been a new birth that happened. Like I get it now. I get it now when Jesus told Nicodemus, he said you got to be born again. I get it now. I get it now. When Jesus told Nicodemus, he said, you got to be born again. I get it now. Like, and even Nicodemus like, what? Born again? What you mean? What you mean? Like, I thought the womb born? How does that happen? No, like born again in your spirit. Like, you have to be born again. And so there's a lot of times people will call me all the time, you know, I want you, I just got, I could show you, I just got a call to get in the studio with an artist. And I was like, nah, I can't do that. I can't do the why.

It's just, it's not where I'm at. Now, what I can do and what I will continue to do is speak what I believe is true. So I had an artist one time, I had someone call me recently about an artist coming to my studio. And I said, when they leave, I mean, if I do a record with them,

it might not be the record they expect to do. They're like, what? I was like, yeah, I guess real over here. And I said, they said, well, how real is that? I said, well, every two weeks we do a thing called Worship Alive at my studio, where we have kind of church in the studio. And I'll, you experienced it.

They're like, you do that? I'm like, yeah. I guess really real. Like I want to see people changed. And you can't see people change unless you change. And I'm a work in progress. I'm a work in progress. We all are, right? We all work in progress. We sin daily. So, you know, so, but I do, I believe believe that there's I believe that there's hope for people I believe I want to see I want to see people's relationships form with their father with their creator. So are you a I guess a faith artist because I know you the aliens alive is a faith label. Yeah so I'm a Christian artist I mean I was raised in a church you know saying my father is he's a pastor now,

but you know, that's kind of new, but he's always been in some kind of leadership in the church. But even like, you know, for me, like I only, I got no hobbies. I do music and I'm a, like I'm a Bible nerd. That's it. I don't do sports. I don't do video games.

Like that's it. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, proudly proudly proudly a Christian artist What did you see in John that said I want to work with him? Then he wanted to kill himself When you get to a vulnerable state in your music Sometimes people it goes over people's heads when I heard some of the things that he was saying I

was like whoa like He's special like, whoa, like, he's special. Like this dude right here is special, special. He just needs the right team with him. And he keeps getting better. He's not just a rapper, a singer, like, he does all his music, produces everything. Oh, nah, like he's a beast. But I knew, I heard his heart in his music producers, oh nah, like he's a beast. But I heard his heart in his music. And I heard something that could penetrate

the youth differently. My man John Keith, June 27th, got his project coming out and I'm super excited about his project. We're gonna get a song on too this morning. I listen to a lot of fake bass artists, you know Miles Minnick? Yeah, they got a real wild nigga. What?

Yeah, something my guy DJ had, he put me on to Miles a while ago. And the funny thing, he didn't even tell me that Miles was a faith-based artist. He just said, yo, listen to this. Yeah, Head is a big advocate of just putting it in front. Because people got a stigma about Christian artists. That they're a certain way, that they gotta sound a certain way. And so when you hear people that sound like Miles

or sound like me or sound like Indy Tribe or No Big Deal, whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, they're like, oh wait, hold up, this is Christian? And it's like, it's hard, bro. Every single day, we were like, dang, I didn't know it was like that. Because the thing is, it's like, those of us who do it well are not on a mission to make a genre of Christian music.

We're just making music and we're Christians. So we're not going to rap or sing about stuff that's not our life. But that's also why, like, what he said, like, in my music, I'm always, I'm going to tell you, like, yeah, I was struggling with the thoughts to take my life since I was 11 years Old I'm gonna talk about that and it's not gonna be that happy Rainbows and sunshine. Yo, you know saying when you get life with Jesus, everything is just Good and it's like no like let's talk about real life because people live real life and you know They don't they don't understand what what?

What life with Jesus is like, you know saying so it's don't understand what what what life with Jesus is like you know saying so it's like we've we've we fall in love we you know saying we get angry we you're saying like there's a there's all kinds of stuff that goes on it's like you know saying if you making music that's Christian music and it's only worship then it's like well if I'm you saying if I'm if I want to listen to love songs, then I got to go listen to the wildness that's out there right now. You know what I'm saying?

Devotry or whatever, because ain't no love songs that like can still be about, you know what I'm saying, a person loving another person, but from a point of view, someone who understands that these things are echoes of God, you know? And so, yeah, you know what I'm saying, that's me. But yeah, me and Miles just did something and then, yeah.

Well, let's play a record, man. What you want to hear? For me? Yeah, man. Oh, man, I don't know, that's out? Put a record that's on the chart. All right, okay. That's the radio side.

We can do club. It's a song with him and Miles Minick from the West Indies Project called Club. Let's do it. We're getting to it now, but now we we gotta close out with a prayer, brother. Man, hey, what's up, God? No, I'm playing. Father, we thank you for this time just being able to sit down and talk about things that concern you, because it all concerns you, Father.

So we just thank you for that. We thank you for Open Hearts, just ask that you would plant any seeds that you wanted to plant during this conversation. And that, yeah, you would just be present with us for the rest of the day. In the name of Jesus, amen. Amen. Rodney Jerkins, the legend, man. Congratulations again, songwriters Hall of Fame. John Keith, Rodney Jerkins.

It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Ladies, this is a miracle. There is no question that there are problems in this country between police and community. Yes, you are a donkey. The latest on that police killing of a black man. Now the new developments in the deadly spa shooting rampage. It was a really bad day for him and this is what he did. And so we are in a state of emergency.

Okay, white supremacy and violence is and always have been the number one threat to our society But I'm also very proud that my wife is white The breakfast club bitches Please tell me why was I your donkey of the day? Don't get a day for Thursday June 12th little Duvall's born day drop on a clues bump for little Duvall Yes We are not living our best lives right now. Okay, because donkey today is going to the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. Or maybe donkey today should go to corporate media or maybe donkey today should go to we the people for being so preoccupied with things

that have zero impact on our lives that we don't pay attention to all the grave dangers that are right under our noses. Okay? If ignorance is bliss, I don't know why everybody isn't more happy because I strive to be optimistic. I grew up on the sounds of blackness, baby! As long as you keep your head to the sky. But we also got to be realistic about the things that are going on in the world. And yesterday, while you were busy watching AI videos of gorillas hosting podcasts talking about fighting a hundred men, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, was releasing a video warning us of nuclear

annihilation. I'm not making any of this up. Let's listen. As we stand here today, closer to the brink of nuclear annihilation than ever before, political elite and warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear and tensions between nuclear powers. So it's up to us, the people, to speak up and demand an end to this madness. What? We must reject this path to nuclear war and work toward a world where no one has to live in fear of a nuclear holocaust. Huh?

Am I the only person that finds this unusual? Am I the only person who saw this video and first had to determine if it was AI or not? But then once I realized it wasn't, it's real, it came from her Twitter account and all the so-called reputable news sources, the ABC News and MSNBC, Bloomberg, political, NBC News, everybody was posting about it.

But after I watched it, I was left sitting there scratching my head wondering, why was that just released on Twitter? Tosie, you can't just post that like it's a regular reel and walk away. This is how my algorithm is set up, okay? I got a video of a black man sitting in the car with the caption, in the 90s, they had us thinking Lil Kim was the biggest freaking bad boy the whole time it was Diddy. Then another video of Kai Sinat trying to help Druski holla at Kiki Palmer. Then a post from Tyler Perry saying he made more black millionaires than any other studio

in Hollywood from the BET Awards. Then a video of Pastor Torrey Roberts working out in the gym. Then a video of Lauren LaRosa walking around in just stockings and a Steve Harvey blazer. Then BOOM! Tosie telling us we all going down. I understand social media is the new way to communicate but dear government officials some messages gotta be packaged a different way. You can't drop this on the timeline and just walk off Tosie. Okay you are the director of national intelligence you know things

that we don't know. We have watched all these billionaires from Mark Zuckerberg to Bill Gates to Larry Ellison all build these underground bunkers. Okay, I've been reading about them for years building these luxurious underground bunkers and they're doing it as a form of apocalyptic insurance. And here you got Tulsi put a three minute and 31 second video on Twitter. I only played y'all about 51 seconds, but the video is like 330 and she's telling us that political elite and warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear intentions between nuclear powers. I didn't even know what the definition of fomenting was. I had to look it up. Okay. Tosie, why are you using big words at a time like this? And for those who want to know fomenting means instigating, stirring things up. Tosie why are you using big words at a time like this? And for those who want to know, fomenting means instigating, stirring things up.

Tosie, just say that. Political elite and war mongers are instigating and stirring things up and they don't care because they have access to nuclear shelters for themselves and for their families. Tosie, I know I'm stupid. I tell y'all all the time I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary nor am I the strongest avenger. But correct me if I'm stupid. Okay, I tell y'all all the time I'm not the highest grade of weed in the dispensary, nor am I the strongest avenger. But correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't you the political elite?

You are the director of national intelligence, okay? The principal advisor to the president, the principal advisor to the National Security Council and Homeland Security. So you should be telling all the other political elite people, you should be telling them and all the war m elite people, you should be telling them and all the warmongers to stop, stop instigating whatever has us on the brink of nuclear annihilation. Play the clip again, right? Please play it again one time for me. As we stand here today, closer to the brink of nuclear annihilation than ever before, political elite warmongers are carelessly fomenting fear and tensions between nuclear powers.

So it's up to us, the people, to speak up and demand an end to this madness. We must reject this path to nuclear war and work toward a world where no one has to live in fear of a nuclear holocaust. Tulsi, Tulsi, Tulsi, Tulsi, you're the director of national intelligence. The reason I'm giving you donkey today is because what are we the people supposed to do with this information? Okay, see, this is what I'd be talking about. Government officials have one job when it comes to the American people, put money in our pocket and make us feel safe. We are supposed to be out here living our best life while y'all handle stuff

like threats of nuclear war. But yet we got the director of national intelligence telling us that we need to speak up and demand an end to this madness. Tosie, nuclear war is too serious for a tweet and a call to action. Okay? A video on X and a call to action for we the people to just say stop. That's all it takes is for us to reject this path to nuclear war and work toward a world where no one has to live in fear of a nuclear holocaust. Well, Tulsi, I can assure you, none of us want that. We don't have to reject it. We never wanted it to be an option in the first place.

But I guess now it is. And you want us to fix it? Please give Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, the biggest hee haw. Tosie, I need you on somebody's TV network this morning. Okay, you have to explain this. Tell us what you know. Okay, if someone is planning to let a nuke fly, it is your job to tell the world. Don't give us half the information. Tell us what's going on, damn it. Okay, give us time to repent for our sins.

Okay, people wanna get baptized. Give me time to make peace with some people. Okay, Lauren LaRosa gotta get the pants for the rest of the outfits you wore at the BET Awards. Okay, you can't just walk up to me, Tulsi, and say, you're gonna die, and walk away. No, excuse me, ma'am, I got some questions. She said all we have to say is stop.

Just stop. What the hell does Lauren LaRosa not have a little pant at the BT Awards have to do with this? See that's the problem, that's all she caught. See she only caught, she didn't catch the nuke, she didn't catch the die, she didn't catch the stop, she didn't catch the we're about to, it's over. I did.

All she caught was Lauren LaRas didn't have any pants on at the BT horse. No, no, no, no, no. He's supposed to be, this is a teachable moment. You supposed to be teaching us that it was a public service announcement, a big, you know, announcement, right? The teachable moment is.

And you can still think about Lauren not having on no damn pants. Well, listen. And we just got threatened with nukes. Okay, we don't need a nuke, but we do need a missile to hit her closet. That's it. Tell you what, I'm not talking to you. So she can have nothing else?

Well, she can start anew. Crazy. She can start anew. Oh my goodness. Shout out to Romeo Hunt. I cannot. Who that is? That is the designer that she wears all the time, the black owned designer.

Very much given. Shut up. All right. Thank you for that talk today. that she wears all the time, the black owned designer. Very much given. Shut up. All right. Thank you for that donkey today. He built the roof. He didn't give her a foundation. And you can't build a house with just the roof.

You got to start with the foundation first. Oh my goodness. So Romeo, next time, foundation, pants, in the roof. Oh my god. Boom. Everybody wins. All right. All right.

All right. Salute to Lauren LaRosa. Now, Shaliman, thank you for that donkey today. Up next, Jess Fix My Mess, 800-585-1051. If you have relationship issues or problems, Jess will help you. Call her up right now. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning.

The Breakfast Club. Tell her, tell her, tell her. It's the real deal. Help me. Help me. Oh my God. I'm all up in your mess. I'ma fix it.

Fix my mess. Fix it. Fix it. Help me. Oh my God. I'm all up in your mess. I'ma fix it. Fix my mess. Fix it. Jess gon' fix your mess, cause my advice is real. Morning everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. It's time for Jess Fix My Mess. Hello. Put your phone on. Um, take it off Bluetooth and speaker please.

Sure. Hello. What's the matter for Jess, mama? Hi. How are you? This is Tiffany. Hello, put your phone on. Um, take it off Bluetooth and speaker, please. Hi, how are you? This is Tiffany. Hi, what's wrong girl? Hi. Um, so I have a boyfriend that I've been dating for about two years and I feel like he's insecure. He calls me in the morning when I wake up, asking me, am I getting ready for work? I'm like, I'm getting ready on our way to work. He want to talk to me during work. He's calling me. He's telling me to call me when you getting ready for work? I'm like, I'm getting ready. On our way to work, he wanna talk to me. During work, he's calling me.

He's telling me to call me when you get off of work. Okay, I'll call him, I'm off. He's like, call me when you get home. I made it home. Call me before you go to bed. I'm like, I don't have to talk to you 10 times out the day. Now, are y'all long distance? Why y'all don't see each other?

No, we don't see each other. This is what I'm saying. I see him and I'm like do we have to talk this much? No, listen, I'm Understand both ways that I understand him because look it's like you you my girl. I want to know what you doing Yeah, yeah, yeah every move it may sound a little creepish, but it's like yeah, you you're the person if we don't live together I'm definitely I want to keep that that line of communication open He just may be really in love with his girl and I understand your side too It's like goddamn I eat sleep breathe you like it's like give me I still have a life myself, right? And I don't want everything to be my boyfriend my man my man my man

Have you talked to him about this though? Have you said like, babe, I feel like it should be a compromise. Like, yo, all right, maybe not the whole day, but I'll call you when I wake up in the morning and I'll call you when I get off of work and then we can talk at night before I go to bed. Like, are you laying it down like that? That's what I say, but I say that all the time he gets offended. Like he being his feelings, like, oh, really? Like you don't want to bed. Like, are you laying that down like that? That's what I say, but I say that all the time he gets offended. Like, he be in his feelings, like, oh, really?

Like, you don't wanna talk? I'm like, it's not that I don't wanna talk to you. Like, I'm listening to the breakfast club in the morning. Stop calling me while I'm on my way to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This might go peace time. Yeah, I do think it is something that may have happened to him before in one of his previous relationships

where, you know what I mean? It wasn't his communication, wasn't always like that. He may have not, he may not have had access number 4 in one of his previous relationships where you know what I mean? It wasn't his communication, it wasn't always like that. He may not have had access to one of his exes and sure he was doing something, messing around or something like that. He don't want that to be the case here but you can't pay for that. So I don't know. You can't keep on talking to him all day every day.

You either going to have to leave this man alone or you going to really have to put those boundaries in place. Like yo I'm not talking to you all day every day you either gonna have to leave this man alone or you gonna really have to put those boundaries in place like yo I'm not talking to you all day it's just not gonna happen like that for me cuz then he's gonna run you away and then you gonna start like but that's what's happening that's exactly what's happening well leave I'm sorry just is that a problem though that she don't want to talk to her man like that that's not a problem and the reason why it's not a problem is because you still have to have a life for yourself. That's how I am. When Chris is on the road, we don't have to talk all day. Well, he might call you in the morning and say good morning.

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you right I'm trying to get him to understand that like we can have a healthy relationship without talking all day every day every day. Are you a loyal person though? Like are you are you Not even or anything. I'm I'm faced with them. It's just like sometimes I just remind me time and that's Like and if he can't respect that then he ain't the one for you I'm serious if he can't get out of his own way or you know what I mean? Like he he's just not the one for you. That's it. You just gotta protect your peace, you gotta have peace. Don't need to live with you when he doing that. Jess is absolutely right.

My wife will tell me when she need me time. Yeah. And sometimes you don't even have to say it if you've been together long enough, you just do your thing. You'll know. You'll know. That's right.

So yeah, no, that's not healthy boo. Absolutely. Yep. Thank you. No problem. Good luck mama. Sleut all the women out there dating truck drivers that let their truck driving husbands have me time man the lot lizards appreciate you

Who are you talking about? Because no that is not no that's not even what's happening over a lot lizards up in Chris truck No, no, it ain't none of that. I wasn't talking about that and her man is not even a truck driver I was just shouting out truck drivers. It was just random. I had nothing to do with nothing. Talo. Who's this? Hello, this is the carry-on. What's up, brother? What's your question for Jess? What's up? Hello, I was calling because my girlfriend, she was just don't support my music career. She telling me to choose the music or her.

That she was, she telling you to choose the music or her? Yeah. How long you been doing music? I've been doing music for about five years now. Five years, okay. Where are you from? I'm from Detroit Spit some oh boy Yeah, I don't want nothing too long. They call me would be bang him. I take him and I hang him I really don't like black. That's why I take him and I hang him

She sounds more crazy like Kanye That's cuz I got girls from the West that do what I say. Okay. Just a little fuck. All right, and that was free, you freestyled that? You ain't write that? Yeah.

That was off the brain, okay. That was a freestyle. His girl must be ugly as shit. Why you say that? He choosing these wack ass raps over his girl? Oh no, no, no, that was just a freestyle a freestyle. I'm sure you sound better than that. What's some of your written stuff? Yeah, y'all put me on the spot.

I know, that's fine and you delivered those three bars. Well, basically... There's no real music for you. Alright, listen, this is what's happening. Just high. No, I'm not. I'm not high. This is what's happening, right?. No, I'm not. I'm not high. This is what's happening, right? You ain't going nowhere with it.

She probably like, yo look. She be choosing Lil Durk over me. She like, can you please turn this off? I just want to hear Lil Durk. I don't blame her. Right, because we know Durk and Durk Pen is crazy too. I mean, you know, we like to listen to Durk. That's the thing.

All right, y'all better choose up where Lil one's up. Cause to finish, they gonna know who to Dirk. It is that's the thing Well, maybe you got to leave her to pursue your career and then and you got to make her a believer too But the only way to do that is leave her alone and go and pursue The music or you leave the music alone and pursue your girl cuz both it don't work Cuz it's probably why you haven't really blown yet cuz you you know trash yeah but also you're battling probably wouldn't be trash if you gave all your attention to your music what's your girl Instagram you get what what's your girl Instagram? You get what? What's your girl Instagram? I really gotta see it. Hey, Sharla, man, you can't take my ball. Huh? You can't take my ball.

He a rapper. That's how they talk. What? You can't take my ball. Like, that's my girl. I don't want your ball. I'm in the game. You can't take my ball.

I don't want your ball, bro. Okay. All right. Yeah, give it up, bro. Yeah, you need to pick up a ball. Rappin' is not it. So, give it up, bro. Yeah, you need to pick up a ball rapping is not is not it so Do something I'm only five six man. I can't who? All right, go learn a trade man. Yeah something you got to do something if you want your girl

Do you want your girl or do you want the music like you got to ask yourself that and proceed? according You gotta ask yourself that and proceed accordingly. I live in one of both. I mean, Jay, you think I'm Beyonce, and that third guy is you. I figured it's the worst. The hood need more welders, man. You gotta...

You gotta hear it. I'm killing it. H-s-a-l-o. On a motor. Engineers. There's a lot of things our communities need. You gotta hear my song. That was just a freestyle.

I can bang on it? Yeah, go ahead. All right, bro. Imagine rapping like that, then wondering why your girl want you to choose either her or the music. It's like, what? You're not even good. Damn, they ain't freestyle. And then you gotta be so mad when he say,

I can't give this up for you, baby. What? Damn, shit. You know how the young boy be like, little little fine shit. She must be a little ugly shit. All right. All right.

When we come back, we got the latest with Lauren. Don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.

Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren be coming in straight back. Tell her, tell her. She gets in from somebody that knows somebody. She gets in from somebody the breakfast club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Lauren becoming a straight face. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details. I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She be having the latest on you. Say I'm the biggest. The latest with Lauren LaRosa.

Sometimes she have facts, sometimes she have details, sometimes she have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest. On the Breakfast Club. Talk to me. Okay guys, so yesterday have a little bit of everything. But we're still latest. On The Breakfast Club. Talk to me. Okay, guys. So yesterday I got a tip from Michelle, shout out to AT Alien, a blogger out of Atlanta that Portia Williams won in divorce court.

A judge ruled to enforce her prenup with her ex Simon Wobadia. Yes. Yes. Now that is a huge deal because they've been going back and forth over several things including the home that she currently lives in, the car, the Rolls Royce. So I reached out to another source close to the court to figure out, okay, if she won and the judge going to enforce the prenup, what does that mean? And what does she get?

So I'm told that Portia will get alimony, which would be 40k per month for about 14 to 15 months, All her legal fees will be paid. She'll receive the Rolls-Royce that he brought. All her attorney fees will be covered. I said that already. And the home, right? The house has been in question. Now, there's a little bit of the clauses with the home. So, there's one or two things that can happen. So, Portia has from 2024, which is when they ended to 2027 to decide whether she's going to stay in the home. And it's a $7 million home. And in order to stay in the home, she's not to refinance to basically buy Simon out of his portion because he does

get 50% of the equity in the home or she can sell the home. Now the issue with the home and why it's been such a big conversation from what I'm told is that it was a pre marital property. So he actually bought the home with his own money, Simon, for what I'm told, before they entered into the marriage. But at this point, she has these three years to figure out what she wants to do and stay in the home while she figures it out. And while she's in the home, he also – Simon is responsible to cover all of the expenses. So mortgage, any expenses that come – Is the house paid off? Is it paid in full or no? No. It's not paid in full. So he has to cover all of the expenses. So mortgage, any expenses that come. Is the house paid off? Is it paid in full? No, it's not paid in full. So he has to cover all of the expenses while she is there. And I'm also told that Simon is exploring the options of

an appeal. He has 30 days to file this with the court. Now Simon does none of that. What could happen to him? Because he can't come back to the country. It's not like they can bring him back and arrest him, right? What do you mean by does none of that? So if he says you know what I'm already you already deported me. I'm in Africa. I'm in Dubai I ain't gonna do nothing to that cuz you can't arrest him Oh, you mean like he's not gonna appeal for the home? No, meaning if he doesn't pay the mortgage if he doesn't want to get none of that stuff that he's supposed to be paying He just says you know what I'm out I mean

He still legally would have to go through whatever the consequences for that is and And also too, he still has his defamation lawsuit on the other side with Portia. So he's still, I mean he ain't hiding. Like he's still actively going through things and he plans to appeal. So he ain't about to hide. So he'll just have to deal with the consequences. All I know is Simon would give all that up to have American citizenship and that ice cream sandwich we call capital P back. Okay? Salute to Portia Williams. You do not know that.

A.K.A. Young Honey honeybun that's what we call baby capital P clean up okay Mr. Gurbade has probably bit off more than he could chew and was probably like yeah that's a big bite I am going back home yes and I'm told cuz I asked what was their vibe in court I'm told they didn't even speak to each other directly they just let their counsel speak to each other. And they could have if they wanted to. And they were in court all day, 9.30. They were on Zoom or something?

They were on Zoom, yes. They were on Zoom, but they could have done a breakout room on Zoom if they wanted to have a conversation. They didn't though. 9.30 to seven o'clock PM and Simon walked away pissed. Damn. For sure. What time was it in Africa?

I don't know. It was time for him to get ready to pay that 40k a month. That's what time was. So in other news, speaking of Jish, Dame Dash, a judge has ordered Dame Dash to hand over full ownership of several of his companies and Fem copyrights to pay off a debt from a lawsuit. Yes. So shout out to all hip hop.com and Grouchy Greg who broke the story. So y'all remember we were talking about like the money that Dame Dash owed? It was a ton of different things.

Child support, there was like a lawsuit between him and a filmmaker named Josh Weber. So the taxes and all that stuff, remember they did the auction and they were trying to figure out how they were going to pay each other? So a part of that was this filmmaker's lawsuit and the auction went down, Dame Dash lost his one-third stake in Rockefeller. But this filmmaker was not paid. There wasn't enough money to cover the debt that Dame Dash allegedly owes to him, right?

So there's a little over $800,000 that is due. And a judge is basically saying that Dame has to give up several companies, including Dash Films, and copyrights to several movies, including Honor Up and Too Honorable, in order to get this paid. What about the network, the American New Network? That is not listed on here. copyrights to several movies including $800,000. Oh I saw that $8 million number I saw floating around? It was any? $800,000. I saw that too, but I thought I saw something else.

But that's from, remember there was a huge amount of money he owed because of child support, because of this lawsuit. And taxes too, right? Yes, that was all combined. Remember, but they tried to sell it off in the auction, but it was like first come first, not first come first. So they had to figure out the picking order

of who was gonna be paid what. This filmmaker was not paid from that because there wasn't enough money to go around. So now they're asking for these companies, they're asking for the rights to these movies, and what they're gonna do, government is gonna do is they're gonna do another auction and they're trying to pay this man from this film with this auction. And whatever's left over will go back to Dame Dash. Now Dame Dash has until June 16th to make the auction not happen by filing an objection.

Yeah. Monday. June 16th, you got until Monday. Yes. Yeah. I seen everybody laughing and I will say this, you don't laugh, you learn. Don't laugh, learn.

Don't laugh, you learn. Right, and I told you guys years ago, Charlamagne and myself said a long time ago, entrepreneurship is amazing, right? But it's hard. But having a job is not a bad thing. Stability ain't a weakness. It could be a strategy.

So don't think if you have a job, you can't be an entrepreneur as well. You can do both. Like I said, stability is not a weakness. It's a strategy to do the things that you wanna do. And don't laugh at Dame Dash. You can learn from it. And I will say salute to everybody who was motivated

by the interview Dame Dash did up here on the Breakfast Club 10 years ago. But when you talk about being your own boss, when you talk about ownership, all those conversations are great, but Dame never really gave a blueprint to do it. And I wonder for those who were inspired by that convo 10 years ago,

how do you feel now seeing the situation Dame is in? Or do you just take the message and not listen to the messenger? Because I think over the last decade decade there has been a lot of people who have told you how to do it, correct? As opposed to just telling you to do it. It's one thing to say be your own boss, quit your job, you don't need to work for nobody, you know, your boss is your daddy, my son sells cookies, all of that is cool. But you know you still have to give like a blueprint on how to do that. I think over the last

decade we've seen these conversations of financial literacy grow in our communities and people have given you some blueprints. Great conversations but And I think over the last decade, we've seen these conversations of financial literacy grow in our communities and people have given you some blueprints. Great conversations, but like you said, if you don't know how, you have to learn. And sometimes, being stable is not a weakness, right? Getting your monthly check and having health insurance is not a weakness.

It should be a strategy to get to where you need to be. I listen to people who actually have successful businesses. We have a genre of people who are making money, telling people how to make money. But the thing is- That can't be the business. But the thing is, you gotta feel, you gotta know who's really doing it, right?

Because we all thought Dane was really doing it, right? That's why I love John O'Brien. You see John O'Brien, and then you see things like, like when I seen TD ED of a day, and he was talking about, you know what, I jumped on a Spirit Flight from LA to Vegas to get to the show it only cost me $99 if I flew private it would have been 12,000 got it but he's smart with it hey John Hope Bryant Don Peebles Cheryl

McKissick Tyler Perry I'm listening to people who actually have businesses you know I'm singing who can tell me how to build that? Hove. Yes. I don't like, I tried, I didn't want to say Tyler Hove just because they're the entertainers. That's why I said Cheryl, Don and John O'Brien. But a lot of them came from, like we seen Hove where he came from and what he's on. So Tyler Perry the same. And I feel like that just a stab saying Hove right now at a time like that. Oh, damn.

I didn't even think about it like that. Yeah, I think you did. Say it again, Justin. Damn. I didn't. Did they say anything about the cookies? Yo, shut up, man. That is the latest with that. Yeah, I think you did. Say it again, Justin. I didn't. Damn! No, I didn't. Did they say anything about the cookies? Yo, shut up, man.

That is the latest with Lauren. I'm being honest, seriously. That is the latest with Lauren. Now, when we come back, we got the People's Choice Mix. Don't go anywhere, it's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. You're checking out The Breakfast Club.

Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Naga. We are The Breakfast Club. Now, we gotta salute to Rodney Jerkins for joining us this morning Yes, salute to Rodney Jerkins man, Doc child one of the super producers of our generation He's getting inducted into the songwriters Hall of Fame. That's right. He also brought his artist John Keith with him as well His new album comes out June 27th is called grow wing. So salute to Rodney Jerkins man He produced so many records, man.

So many records was from Michael Jackson to Whitney Houston to Brandy to A Boogie with a Hoodie. It was so many joints. And then he was so young doing all that. That's right. That's crazy. He young now, but I'm just saying he was so young working with all them old legends like that.

That's right. I forgot to ask him about the resurgence of that Tamiya song that everybody do the line dance. Oh yeah, can you name that song?ya song that everybody do the line dance to. Can't get enough. Can't get enough. Yeah, he produced that as well. Sure did.

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Shows are selling out, guys. I will be doing meet and greet. The last show of each night, we got two shows tomorrow, two shows Saturday. Get your tickets right now at JessHilariousOfficial.com. Buffalo, next week. I will be there Friday and Saturday. I'm coming right up the street, y'all. So get y'all tickets, JessHilariousOfficial.com. Y'all can meet me at Helium. Then Monday, Monday, June 16th, the love foundation presents dads on the grain so we're honoring 50 fathers and Baltimore at the Topgolf make sure you come and get your drinks full giveaways good music and also shout out the Fulton Bank can't wait to see y'all 50 dads the day after Father's Day. There you go now

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