The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Grammys Recap: Kendrick Makes History, Trevor Noah Jabs Nicki & Trump + Omar Epps, Yelena Popovic & Reginald Akkeem Berry Sr. Interview

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Omar Epps, Yelena Popovic, and Reginald Akkeem Berry Sr. discuss authentic storytelling behind their new film Moses the Black. Jarrell ‘Big Baby’ Miller also joins us to address the toupee incident, his failed drug test, thoughts on Anthony Joshua, and overcoming hardships. Plus, Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to an unserious journalist covering the Epstein files. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I asked the security to park my car for me. But you kept your keys. No, I didn't keep my keys. It's in a cup holder. So, World just jumped out her car. Yo, when I said she got traffic back up for two blocks, I'm not even joking. I just see that.

From where this radio station is. I believe that. Two blocks back. Mattschuk, everybody blowing their horn. I'm like, what the hell happened? Because I went up to the car. I thought she passed out. Me too.

I thought she was still in the car. I'm like, what the hell is on. The car is just on. There's traffic at least three blocks down. you can't get around her and your car's just there. That's so crazy that, yo, he couldn't find the car, the car key.

It's literally in where it's supposed to be. It's just like a little slot in it. But if it was in a couple, wouldn't it just drive? Literally, yeah, that's why I'm like, I don't understand why he couldn't pull off with it. I don't have my key. I promise I don't got it. It's right there, isn't it?

Well, I know that looked crazy. You know, that's crazy. So, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. He probably thinks he needs a key to start it, but you got traffic backed up at least three blocks. Yo, at least three blocks. Why would you jump out in the middle of the street anyway?

You had time. Yo, there's no, what do you mean, pulled to the side? It's still ice, like, from the ground to the roof. I just, he was right there. He got in the car, and he might have just got back out. I didn't leave my car in the middle of the street and come in here. There's ruining people Monday. People trying to get to work.

Oh, my God. You know what I'm saying? Jesus. We're trying to get to work. You know what I mean? You know, it's a game of inches in the morning. Every minute counts. Whatever.

It just destroyed all that. You know, I'm sorry. It wasn't my fault. You should never talk about. the garbage truck ever again. No. That was worse than the garbage truck. Yeah, I was worse than the garbage truck.

You can see the garbage truck doing something. You just pounced. It's not my fault. Was there a car behind you when you jumped out? No, nobody was behind me in a security car. Security guard met me right there. And then people gathered around watching. I'm like, well, what the hell is happening?

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Like, the difference is, so House of Sports got, like, all the many excursions in it, like rock climbing, batting cage, ice skating, and my husband took me to get fitted for some golf clubs, right? Golf clubs. And I didn't know that was a whole thing, like, you had to get fitted, like, playing on really, I didn't know that, you know, but he's really into it. And I got my first starter club yesterday. He treated me to some golf clubs.

He golfs. Yes, he golfs. Oh, okay. And now I'm just starting to get into it. So I would. very excited about it y'all. All right. Well, salute to all the dance dads out there.

Dance as officially started. My daughters were out in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Salute to everybody I've seen out there. Listen, London killed it. I'm sorry. That was Brooklyn. Oh, Brooklyn. Okay, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I was Brooklyn. They both killed it this week. It had a great time. This was their first performance for their new dances. So this was the first time I see it. I have this thing where I don't go to any of their rehearsals. I drop them off and leave because I don't want to see it until they're dressed. Yeah.

They have their costume on, everything is, like, legit. So I had a great time. So salute to all the dance dads out there. That's crazy. That was my first time ever seeing her dance. Like, I know you talk about it all the time, but you don't never really post it. Yo, she gets busy. Yes.

No, no, she takes a sentence. I love it. They practice six days a week about four or five hours a day. And they want to do it. It's not like, I'd be like, no, no, I like this. I can tell. Whatever keeps them away from boys and going to the mall and go to dance all day. So I love it.

What about your week, is Shala? I was on the couch. Having a great time. Having a great time. My favorite thing to do on this planet is nothing. Okay? I watched all the Wonder Man. I got to binge watch all the Wonder Man on Disney Plus.

I watched the fights this weekend. This was a great weekend. Watched a little bit of the Grammys last night, just a tad. Yeah, I fell asleep. Just a tad bit. It was so long, but I watched it too. All right. Well, let's get the show cracking.

Omar Epps will be joining us this morning. Hey, AQue. He came with our director. Is it Yelina Popovich? Yelina Popovich and Akeemovic and Akeembarovic and Akeem Barry. senior. They got a new movie called Moses the Black. It actually came out this past weekend, so they'll be here to talk to us

all about it. All right. We'll get into that in a little bit, so don't go anywhere. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's D.J.N.V. Just hilarious. Shalameen the guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get in some front page news. I'll tell you one thing. It ain't nothing like getting an email that says your Fico's score went up. Okay. Hey, right. I love it.

I love it. I got them emails too. Absolutely. All right. Well, let's start off with boxing over the weekend. Chaucer, Stevenson, B. Tiafimo, Lopez. Did they watch the fight? What did I? What a great fight card, man. You know what I'm saying? Watching Shushu, Bruce, he got busy.

Kishon Davis is a killer. Dropping on a clues bond for Kishon David. He's a killer. And, yeah, she called worked over Tio Fima. That's right. Great, great card. Jarrell Miller. Oh, all right, yeah.

Big baby. Big baby. Okay, cool. He ate that. He had my choice. Yeah, he ripped it off and threw it off. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, NB, Jashon.

Alamein, how y'all doing this morning? Hey, girl. Hey. Black and highly favorite. Peace, me, me, Brown. Good morning. So we start this morning with a government shutdown already underway and no clear deal yet to end it. So House Speaker Mike Johnson says he expects the House to pass a funding package by Tuesday, even if Republicans have to do it without Democratic support. Let's listen to why he thinks that's possible. We're going to demonstrate once again that this is the party that takes governing seriously.

The Democrats play games with this, and I think it's very unfortunate because what they're doing as they're jeopardizing services to the American people. Some of these conditions and requests they've made are obviously reasonable and should happen. But the masks, for example, the additional judicial requirement for a warrant would be a whole other layer of effectively bureaucracy. Remember, the immigration judges have already issued warrants, and that's what the ICE officials are acting upon. We're going to talk about those masks that a lot of Americans have had enough of

We're going to get back to that in a second. But right now, the shutdown is partial. Most federal agents, they are still operating, but workers could miss paychecks if this shutdown carries on. Now, at the center of this fight is immigration enforcement and funding for the Department of Homeland Security. The Senate, they passed a short-term funding plan that would keep most of the government open, while Congress, it gives them two weeks to negotiate changes to DHS and to ICE. But House Democrats say they won't back it unless there are stronger limits on immigration enforcement,

And let's get into what the House Democrats think about those masks. Here is Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. What is clear is that the Department of Homeland Security needs to be dramatically reformed. We share that view, as does Leader Schumer and Senate Democrats, in a variety of different ways. Body cameras should be mandatory. Mass should come off. Judicial warrants should absolutely be required, consistent with the Constitution, in our view, before DHS agents or ICE agents are breaking into the homes of the American people or ripping people out of their cars.

We need to make sure that there are complete and independent investigations so that when ICE or DHS agents break the law, they are held accountable. Well, Johnson says ICE wouldn't stop operating even if DHS funding fails because the agency they already received billions of dollars earlier this year. But other DHS agencies would fill it. We talked about this a little bit last week, TSA at the airports, FEMA, which is responding to those winter storms right now. And President Trump, he's also backing Johnson's strategy and says he wants to shut down resolve quickly, although those negotiations remain. So for now, the shutdown continues with federal workers, travelers, and disaster response agencies caught in the middle. And we'll see what happens as lawmakers race to avoid a longer disruption. So with the government shutdown down.

Some people just can't catch up. Great. Lord and mercy. Yeah, for sure. And some good news this morning. That five-year-old boy whose attention sparked national outrage. He's back home in Minnesota. Liam Ramos, he was released this weekend along with his father after the two were held for days in an immigration facility in Texas. At their case, it drew widespread attention after images of lamb wearing that blue hat and carrying that Spider-Man backpack.

It went viral. A federal judge ordered their release and criticized the administration of how they handled the case. and questioned the treatment of children. Now, the family's attorney said they came here responsibly, legally in 2023. They've been following all the immigration rules, and they never should have been detained in the first place. This comes as Minnesota, where a federal judge has declined to block the Trump administration's large-scale immigration enforcement operation, known as Operation Metro Surge. Now, the judge did acknowledge that there is strong evidence that that surge that we're seeing in Minneapolis with all of the federal agents on the, the ground about 3,000 of them, that is having an impact on the community, including disrupted

schools, strained emergency systems, and concerns about racial profiling. But she ruled that those concerns were not enough to legally shut down the operation. So Minnesota officials, they say that they will continue to fight this. Front page news has an interview this week, later this week, with some of the officials in Minnesota. And so we'll ask them about this, what plans that they continue to take, what legal options they have on this. And we'll get back to you when we have some more answers on that. All right. Thank you, Ma'amie.

All right. Coming up at 7, there's a massive new drop on those Epstein files and we'll tell you what is in them and why they're still raising eyebrows this morning. All right. Everybody else, get it off here, Chess. 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent phone lines are wide open again, 800-585-105-1.

Let us know how your weekend was. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. This is your time to get it off your chest. 8-585. We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this? Hey, good morning, Blackwood Club. How are you going?

Let's ask you from Baltimore. What's up, Ronnie Shorty? Get it off your chest. Hey, man, it's cool. It's cold as long as what outside, man. Yes, it is. But I was calling because I watched the Grammys last night, man, and I ain't watched it in years.

And I felt that they got all that stuff right, man. They was able to give Carolina a Grammy. Yes, you know, my man, my man for a month. Leon Thomas. Leon Thomas. They got the clips of Grammy. Only thing I was mad about, they didn't get Jed to Grammy, man.

Well, no, I didn't want, and I loved Jada album, but Jid album didn't deserve to win that category. I felt like I wanted to see the- No. I wanted to see the clips win that category. I know, he wasn't. I wanted to see the clips win that category,

but you can't be mad at Kendrick, though. Yeah, this was my, I was confused. I thought he won five Grammys last year for that album. No? Who you time of Kendrick? No, he went for not like us. Oh, just the single. Yeah.

Yeah, the single, yep. Yeah, but it was an excellent grannie, man. I appreciate that last night. That was good. I was happy for the clips. I was happy for Kendrick. Who won that our money? Yeah.

I went to bed. Who won the money? I don't know. Bad Bunny, yeah. Bad Bunny, yeah. Yep. But that's all I called to say, man. Y'all have a good day.

You should see, yeah. I even like the performances. Even the artists I didn't know? Yeah. I like the performance. Man, they killed the Lady Gaga. I killed it. She didn't see it.

Man, she killed it. She's so artsy. She's such a phenomyo. She did everything. She was dancing. She was, she sung opera. The song that she sung was epic-cadabra, so that's like opera.

She played all the instruments. She did all of that while wearing a Martin Mama's, the bird cage. The bird cage. Remember the birdcae? Yeah, she performed the whole time with that on. I was confused because I thought Lady Gaga opened the show at Bruno Moss,

and then that turned around and that was amazing. No, that was Asian. That was Asian. Lady Gaga, I'm not even Asian. I swear I thought that was Lady Gaga. No. Who was the girl group? I thought it was a K-pop group,

But it's like a... Oh, I don't know. My kids love them. No, they loved that. My kids were dancing. My daughter was doing all the dances and stuff. Yeah, they was killing it, but I don't know them, though. Me neither.

My kids lost it when that came. What? They just happened to be running back and forth through the house, and then that popped up on the Grammys and they stopped and they tracked. Yes, what's up? Hello, who's this? Hey, this is Jack from New Jersey. Jack from Jersey.

What's up? Get it off your chest, Jack. Yeah, man, I'm just calling the spread lives, man. Saw to me, what's up? What's up? What's going on, my brother? You walking? You're good?

I used to make music. I don't do it no more, though. Okay. Because I want to spread a positive message. And I always hear y'all shout out the truck drivers out there in the world. And I'm a school bus driver. Okay.

Hey, appreciate you. And we carry the most fresh Chicago in the world. Yes, you do. You appreciate you for that. Well, shout out to all the bus drivers out there. I don't them kids drive you crazy sometimes. I love kids, man.

So it's all good. You got to know how to handle them, you know? Okay. We superior to children. As long as you show a love and you're giving good energy, you're not going to feel like vibe from you. Okay. Well, we appreciate you, brother.

I appreciate you too. Listen, if anybody go through something out there, man, put God first. See it through, man. We all go through trials and tribulations. Nobody is exempt from there. That's right. Appreciate that, brother. You be safe on the road.

All right? You have a blessed one. Get it off your chest. 800-585-105-101. If you need to vent, hit us up right now. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. So, Charlemagne, Denzy, what up?

Are we live? This is your time to get it off your chest. I got an indoor pool, an outdoor pool. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. We can get on the phone right now. We'll tell you what it is. We live! Hello, who's this?

Good morning. This is Jada G. What's up, Envy? What's up, Jada? Get it off your chest. Yes, Salomey. Good morning, girl. Is Jada G.

Yes. Okay, so what I want to get off my chest this morning is I'm tired of all of these people who are coming for Jay Z, aka Sean Corey Carter I'm tired of it It's like y'all are hell big On seeing this man being taken down And all he's ever given us

Is black excellence Him and his black wife With his black children Giving back to the black community And doing nothing but great things For black people in the industry and above Like I'm tired of it Get off of him

He ain't got nothing that's going to take him down And as our own people We shouldn't even want to see him taken down It's crazy Yeah I think that is weird when people would be like, oh, he next, he next. Yeah, that is weird. You shouldn't even want to see that.

It's like real crazy. And wait, wait a minute, one more thing. Jess, I know your birthday coming up because you're an Aquarius like me. Yes, ma'am. Shout out to the Aquarius season. Yeah, yeah. Period. My son's birthday was yesterday, so I'm giving a shout out to my son.

He just turned 18. He will be graduating high school this year. Happy belay. A birthday, young fella. Yes, yes. Oh, wait. And one more thing. Give off my chest.

I'm tired of Nikki. I'm tired of Nikki. She posted up something last night, and I woke up and I've seen it, and she got a picture of Jay-Z with Aaliyah, and then J-Vy with Beyonce at young ages. She's doing all this posting, but she's not posting her husband and her brother. Yeah, let's get to it. Yeah, let's get to it. She woke up with violence morning.

Yes, ma'am. Yeah, yeah, I woke up, listen, I went to sleep early last night because I'm a teacher, so I got, like, a lot of rest. I'm real rested. I went to sleep at 8 o'clock. Ooh, that's a good sleep, yeah. I know yes, dude. I'm going to go. They don't even know what they are in for today.

I'm going to go. That's some good sleep right there. But I want to say, Charlemagne, are you having the Black Effect podcast this year? Of course we have in the Black Effect podcast festival. It'll be in Atlanta. Because I came last year. I came last year.

I was sitting with your people because I said I was your cousin, because we all cousins and we black and stuff. And then you had left, the security left. But I'm just saying, let me put my bid in. Jolamay, you should let me host it. Because them hosts last year, they were cute, but you need a job of me. I forgot who hosted it last year.

Who hosted it last year? Me too. That's the point. I can't remember. I really can't move. You know my producer who I worked with on conversations on film. Shout out to Shaiteeat.

Beat on film. Who? Shatique. Shatique. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We was in the building last year. We were in the building. We're going to see you on this year.

Would somebody hit you with a, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he would be lying. Wow. Yeah, he'd be lying. Exactly, Envy. Stop lying.

And we don't do that. No, I'm gonna see you this year, though. I'm gonna see you this year, too, and you need to let me be there on the stage. I'm coming. I drove all the way to Atlanta last year. Oh, man, thank you. Indy boots on the ground.

You know what? I'm gonna make sure you get tickets, man. Eddie, put her on hold. No, I'm saying, I'm saying. I'm gonna make sure you get tickets. Yes. I got you. That's the least I can do.

Eddie, put her on hold. We're going to take information, and so when we announce everything, I'm going to make sure you get straight. You make sure you sit next to show of me in a whole night. Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that. Okay.

All right. When we come back, we got the latest with Lauren. She's in L.A. She was at the Grammys last night. Boots on the ground. Hey, y'all. I'm here, but I was not at the Grammys. I am in L.A. though, but we'll talk about the Grammys. And lack there of us being there. Oh, wow. Okay. Everybody's waking up on violence this morning.

They tried it. That is crazy. All right. We'll get into that next. The Breakfast Club. Good morning. I'm the homeguard that knows a little bit about everything and everything. One. Little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you. Take me through that, take me through there. Where's you going?

The latest with Lauren Love. Take me through there. On the breakfast club. L.L. Cool bag. Talk to me. Oh, my God. Take us through that, Lowe. Her intro say, I'm not dumbing it down.

I'm just being myself. Sorry, all I'm here. Hello. No, thank you. We were having to meet. Nice of you to join the class. Be quiet. Hi, y'all. Did you already cue me in?

Yes, we queued you in. Oh, okay. All right, y'all. All right, so listen, I'm here in L.A. The Grammy Weekend Grammy Awards went down yesterday here at the Crypto Arena. We were not actually there in attendance. We were told prior to us breaking out exclusive about DeAngelo's son not being invited to the Grammys that it was two last minute that I reached out two last minute. And then after I was connected with the CEO's team, we were told that we were waiting on an outlet to potentially drop out,

that they would try and make accommodations, and then they just went ghost. We heard nothing. That's crazy. I came anyway, because I was like, if they do end up calling and figuring it out, I would rather be here than in Jersey trying to get on a flight.

So I'm here. You'll be there next year. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. You know, God makes room when it's time to make room. And we had impacted the grimmies regardless. When people saw that Michael Archer,

Jr., who was Swavo Swavo Twain, the angel son, that he was there on the carpet. People were literally texting me like, he's here. We're interviewing him. So I felt like we had presents. You know what I mean?

Yes, so let's get into the show and then we'll get to the Ememorium as well. So last night, Trevor Noah hosted the 68th Grammy Awards and he kicked it off with some jokes as he does all the time. He took a shot at Nikki Minaj. Let's take a listen. Every single person here, John Ledge and Philly Alice Phineas, Nikki Minaj is not here.

She is not here. She is still at the White House with Donald Trump discussing very important issues. Actually, Nikki, I have the biggest ass. I have it. Everybody's saying it, Nikki. I know they say it to you, but it's me. Whop, wop, wop, look at it.

Look at it, baby. That was actually more of a shot at Trump than it was at, you know, Nikki. Because saying that Nikki wasn't at the Grammys is an actual fact. The fact that the crowd cheered had nothing to do with Trevinole. Yeah. Like the crowd cheered and was happy that she wasn't there. But all he did was state the obvious. It was a stab.

It was a stab at both of them. He said they were discussing important issues like whose ass is fat. That's a stabbing. But what, Wop, Wop is funny. That's a Cardi song. That's just hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, and Nikki Minaj got active right away on Anna X.

She shot back at Trevor Noah and she says Trevor refuses to come out the closet when everyone in the industry knows his boyfriend allegedly. Why do they love to weaponize gay in this stuff? Like that's the go-to every time. You know what? I thought he, I'm sorry, I thought it was knowledgeable. I thought Trevor Noah had holes. Me too.

I didn't know that. What you talking about? What you're talking about? I thought. And N.B. I thought it was knowledgeable. I never heard of your life. Maybe I just heard her say it.

I don't know. Exactly. You heard her say that last night. 90 dollars. I thought it was knowledgeable. Something you heard six hours ago? I could have cut it out, man. You couldn't have sworn.

I don't know. You couldn't have sworn nothing. And, you know, your barb is coming out. We got to keep going on. So Trevor Noah. So Trevor Noah at one point in the show, as he's like going into like opening monologues and awards, he finds Kendrick Lamar in the audience. And he has some funny things to say about the Kendrick and Drake brief.

Let's take a listen. Welcome back to the most. To the most nominated artist of the year, Mr. Kendrick Lamar, everybody. That's right. Nine nominations this year. Congratulations. And that is all I'm going to say. Congratulations.

I actually thought about writing a few jokes, roasting you. But then I remembered what you can do to light-skinned dudes from other countries. That was a good. That was a good one. Yeah, me and my delegation are still recovering from the pain. You should have said light-skinned biracial dudes from other country. Don't forget the biracial. That's very important.

Yeah, you would have threw that in there, really. But I think that was funny. That was a good one. I like that one. Yes. And last night, talking about making history, Kendrick Lamar became the most awarded rapper and Grammy history with 27 total win

surpassing Jay Z's record of 25. That's great. Yeah. I mean, very well deserving. I did want the clips to win a rap album of the year, right? I wanted them to win that category just for the plot. You know what I'm saying? Because it's just like, you know, the Drake D-Riders,

Kendrick went and they numbed that. But all the clips went in where it. really hurt him, right? Yeah. But I thought let God sort of mart was a phenomenal It was.

But you can't be mad at Gen X. Not at all. Yeah. And then the Grammy that the Clips won, Kendrick was on that record too. Whips and Chains?

Yes. Yeah, for Wips and Chains. And so the clips then, they performed at the Grammys, but they, on the red carpet, had a conversation about the fact that

they had actually already won, but they were winners before they even walked into the Crypto Arena. Let's take a listen to the clips on the red carpet. You know, we already took one home for best rap performance.

So I'm really happy about that. Chains. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King's senior.

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That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays unvulnerable and trusting people. Your predator might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

you get your podcasts. A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were. It means honoring what you've survived and choosing how you want to grow. It means giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help. I'm Mike Dolorotcha, host of Sacred Lessons. This podcast is a space for men to talk openly about mental health, grief, relationships, and the patterns we inherit, but don't have to repeat.

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Sacred Lessons is your companion on your healing journey. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delo Rocha on America's number one podcast network, IHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others.

Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy and compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you can. get your favorite shows. And whips, shout out Kendrick Lamar. Yeah, we've already won for the night. It just feels great and, you know, starting the night off right already with one win.

It just feels really good, chains and whips. Of course, shout out to Kendrick. It's just been a great night so far. How are you feeling? Grateful to be here with my brothers. This is from, this one for Virginia. It's for the 757. Everybody that, like, feels the way that we feel.

And I'm going to say the restoration of, like, you know, East Coast Ambition. in terms of music and sound. Kendrick got to get into hip-hop heaven, right? Because Kendrick got the Cliffs Day First Grammy. And he got a lefty gunplay at Grammy. Drop one of clues around for all the hip-hop in Los Angeles. Like, you got to get into hip-hop heaven for that, right?

Yeah, that was fire. G-NX was a no-skip album. It's a no-skip album. Like, you don't have to skip any songs on the album. Yes, but shout-out to my cousins. Big Pushing Mal-M-M-M-M-W. I'm so happy for the man. I think skills one of, too.

Skills one-A. Drop on the close bonds with skills. He won, like, the best spoken word or something like that? Best spoken word, yeah, he won for that too, yeah. Now, let's take a listen because, speaking of Kendrick, so Kendrick and Siza won best record for Luther. And Cher, who has not been on a big stage, a stage like the Grammys, and some time presented the award,

and she accidentally presented it to Luther Vandross because the song, shut up. Let's take a listen. To be fair, Sherry was so vulnerable. Go ahead, go ahead, play it. And the Grammy goes to. Oh They told me it was going to be on the

Pompter Oh, the comment goes to Luther Gans Bachelors She said Luther Ganderer She said Luther Ganderers Yeah Even Kendrick Lamar Like he looked around

They knew what she meant But he looked like, wait She said Luther Vandross But she meant to say the song But she was a little thrown off Been some time But the son is Luther It's not even Luther Vandross

I know, but that was probably her friend. You know. But Kendrick Lamar and she was so excited to see the name. Like, wait, where is that? That's dope, though. I can't wait to get that old. I don't even know if my friend's dead enough. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? For real. Oh, my God. Kendrick Lamar and Siza and the team then came on stage to accept the award. Let's take a listen to them. It's one of my favorite artists of all time. They granted us the privilege to do our version of it. When we got that clearance, I promise you,

we damn it all dropped a tear. We know how much him and Cheryl Lane poured it to that record. And being able to put our vocals of it, it proves that we were somewhat worthy to be just as great. They said, no cursing though. And we say, you know what? We're going to do just that. No cursing, and we're going to make sure that this song represents love.

So I want to appreciate and give thanks to Cizzer. I just want to say thank you to Kendrick for lifting me up. But what I really wanted to say is, please don't fall into despair right now. It's a scary time. I know the algorithms tell us that it's so scary and all is lost. There's been world wars. There's been plagues.

And we have gone on. We need to trust each other and trust ourselves. Trust your heart. We're not governed by the government. We're governed by God. And I thank you so much. Ooh, I like that. I didn't see that.

I didn't see when they won. That was later in the show. It was a good speech right there. Yeah. Yeah, well, look, we have to wrap this hour. But in the next latest, we still have a little bit more grammy things because we have some more accepting speeches that I think you guys are going to want to want to hear. But also,

that DeAngelo and Roberta Flack tribute by Ms. Lauren Hill went down seamlessly. It was like, oh my God, it was playing so well. And we have some exclusive details around that that I'll be bringing you guys in the next latest. I just like seeing everybody giving all glory to God, man. You know what I'm seeing. Cizzer, that was incredible. I loved what Jelly Road did. Okay.

That's why I didn't like when Bad Bunny said, before I say, thank God. No, always thank God first. Always put God first. Don't you ever in your life as long as you brown, Bad Bunny, put God second. You thank God first, then you say what you got to say. That's right. You have to get ice out. No.

You know, you don't say before I thank God. Thank God. You give all praises due to God first. Ice must have been outside. He's like, hold on. Well, the only person going to really protect you in those good jobs. All right. Well, that is the latest.

When we come back, we got front page news, so don't go anywhere. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalameen the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club.

Let's get back at some front page news. This weekend, Shikore, Steve. We have beat Tia Fimo Lopez. Unanimous decision. I didn't see the fight. How was the fight? Man, it was fantastic. The whole fight car was fantastic.

Okay? Saluta Shushu. Bruce. What's Bruce last name? Carrington, right? Bruce Carrington. We got busy. What unanimous mean?

No, no, no. My God. Majority the judge. Just shut up and tell me what it mean. What it means? The judge said he won. No, I mean, everybody. All the judges said he won.

One-1909 was the score. Salutee Kishon, Davis. Kishon is a killer. And Qishon got an evilness about him that I like. Like, he comes to the ring like, like the Joker almost. Like, I'm a snatch your soul. He looked like, I'm about this. He looked like an evil to Keith Stampfield, but Keith Stampeau look evil too.

Yeah, he did. Yes, Gishon got busy. Salute to Gishon. It's a salute to Chiquot, man. It was a great fight card. I mean, fantastic from top of the bottom. Yep. And also the 2026, all-sar teams have been selected.

Yes, LeBron James is on the Western team. He's just not a starter. So he's on the Western Conference team, but he's just not a starter. All right? That's the way everybody seemed like they were looking for. What's that, Mimi? Good morning, Envy. How you're doing this Monday morning?

Good morning. Good morning. So we started this hour with a major new release of the Jeffrey Epstein files and questions about whether this is really the end of the investigation. So the Justice Department, they release about 3 million documents along with 2,000 videos and roughly 180,000 images, all tied to Epstein's crimes and the investigation around them. It's the largest batch made public so far under that Epstein's first. File Transparency Act. And the newly released material includes records from Epstein's time in

custody, documents related to his death. And the investigation files connected to his long-time associate Gaslaine Maxwell. She's now serving that 20-year prison sentence for helping traffic and groom underage girls. And the Trump administration says this release now marks the end of its review, aside from some limited court-approved exceptions that it said it will work on if the court tells them to, but Democrats, they say this is far from over that this is not the end of it. Lawmakers, they said they are pushing for transparency, and they argue that there are still more than 6 million Epstein-related records that have only been released, and they said there's still half of those that still need to be released. They say too many documents remain withheld or heavily

redacted, and they want clearer answers about why that is missing. Let's listen to California Congressman Rokana on that. They've released, at best, half the documents. But even those shock the conscience of this country. And there is a demand for elite accountability. But the survivors' lawyers that I've talked to have said that the survivors are still upset, and they want to make sure the rest of the files come out. There are some people who committed crimes, and that needs to be looked at.

And we need to understand who were some of the associates of Jeffrey Epstein. Those names haven't come out. In fact, they were covered up. We need to understand who may have abused or raped underage girls. But then there's a broader issue. And that is that there are rich and powerful people who may not have committed a crime, but who are emailing Jeffrey Epstein well after he's a pedophile, talking about going to his island, talking about wanting to participate in wild parties.

You know, that's what I don't understand, right? Like they put out the documents, you know, that are heavily redacted. And if the files, you know, if the files do come out and like, like, what's going to happen? Like, you know, I see names like Bill Gates floating around and Elon Musk and Prince Andrew. What's going to happen to those individuals? It seems like all of those individuals are too big to fail anyway. So, like, what's the point? Yes, Charlotte, that's a very good point.

Including you said Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, a Google co-founder. There were a lot of names in this last batch. And a lot of people have been asking, so what happens next? I mean, if we get the unredacted files, what is going to happen? So investigators say that any new criminal charges would depend on what, if anything, emerges from the remaining material. But, you know, who knows if we'll ever get that. Again, the Justice Department says that they're done releasing any information.

You've got more than three million files this last batch. And so they said that they're finished. But you're right. To your point, what is going to happen, especially with these very rich and powerful men who seem to all be in cahoots together to make sure that this information doesn't come out? But Rokana said something important too. I mean, you know, even if some of these people aren't like,

in any crimes, they were emailing with, you know, Jeffrey Epstein well after the fact of people knowing that he was a pedophile. Yeah. Which is why I understand on because, I mean, there's a lot of people who still communicate with folks like that. Exactly. But is that a crime, though? You know what I mean?

It's maybe morally wrong, but can you charge them with a crime for emailing if you have no proof, you know what I mean? If there was no, if there's nothing to solidify that they actually, you know, committed an act, a criminal act. Absolutely. We will continue to see what happens with these Epstein files. And we talked about this briefly on Friday, and there's an update this morning. So journalists Don Lemon and Georgia Fort, they have been released from federal custody after being arrested while covering that anti-ice protest at a church in Minnesota.

Now, both say that they were there to report and not to protest and did no and deny doing any wrongdoing. Now, a federal judge earlier had refused to approve their arrests in the first place saying there was no evidence of criminal behavior. and lawyers for both journalists say that they plan to fight the charges. Now, the arrests are sparking a wider conversation. Killer Mike, he was asked about it on the Grammy's red carpet last night, and let's listen to what he had to say. In this country, you have a First Amendment right. You have your right for free speech.

You have the right for religion. You have the right to symbol, and you have the right to protest government. According to your First Amendment, hold on to that in the way you clutch your religious books. There have been times when me and Don have not agreed. That is not shot-stopped, the relationship and a friendship. I believe that brother loves and respects to people.

and his people with that said I was appalled to see him arrested, but I was proud as I was of Uncle Luke when he got arrested in the 90s, fighting fighting for our First Amendment rights. I was his proud as when I read about Frederick Douglass had to fight for our rights. What's the journal truth for Harriet Tubman or Lucy Carson? So he is in the tradition of blacks that have fought, and Americans that are fault in this country for our rights, and we should be right in tow with him right now.

Absolutely. This is not about Don Lemon. You know, sometimes people get caught up in the person. You know what I mean? Like, don't get caught up in the person. and get caught up in the injustice, and injustice anywhere, the threat to justice everywhere. You know, what happened to them was an absolute injustice.

Like, you cannot just wipe your ass with the Constitution in that way. Very, very, very true. And so journalists everywhere, you know, are actually taking a stand. I saw it all over my timeline last week, and it continues to be a wider conversation this morning, and I'm sure, you know, this whole week and while we watch this play out. So we'll continue to watch that.

And speaking of updates, we have another one involving Nikki Minaj, some clarity from the White House. So after Nikki posted online about receiving that Trump gold card, a White House official now says that that was not a legal visa and described it as a gold-colored momento. It is not a document that provides residency or a path to citizenship despite what Nikki may have claimed online that comes as she spent last night talking, posting heavily about the Grammys, not about the awards, but about politics, power, and people she wants to hold accountable in the music industry.

And many of those posts, of course, they included political attacks and brought accusations that were not back or court verified. And there was a moment where the host Trevor Noah, he joked about Minaj, her ties to Donald Trump. I know Lauren's going to break that down later in the latest. But after Minaj, she referenced Lizzo online during one of her rants online, and Lizzo came forward and weighed in. Let's listen to what she had to say.

Is you're about to see an influx of people who see that it is more profitable and more beneficial to join that side? This is Trump's first year as president. We got three more years of people who are going to surprise you and it's going to hurt your feelings and it's going to disappoint you. There's money behind everything. There are privileges behind every move. in these positions make. I'm not surprised. I don't think it's more profitable

and beneficial to join that side. Like where is the evidence of that? Yeah. Like where is the evidence of that for people who are not in like the top 0.0.000 1% of wealth in this country? Like where's the evidence of that? Melania Trump movie just flopped this weekend

and she's the first late. Could a huge brick. But maybe it's not the money, but maybe it's like the privilege, you know, that comes with it or, you know, while the rest of us are dodging ice or our family members are being deported, maybe there's some sort of protection. I mean, who knows?

You know, I think that's maybe what she's trying to imply is, you know, so we'll And then money, right? I mean, she got to be getting paid like something. That was crazy to me, me. You said Lizzo Wade in. I don't know why you did that. That's so wild. I caught that too. You like my double entendre there. I'm dying. Lizzie Wade in. All right. Now, when we come back, Omar Epps, director, Yelina Popovich, and Akeemberry Sr. will be joining us. The new movie, Moses the Black, is in theaters now, and we're going to talk to them next

and don't move. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. It's DJ Envi. Just hilarious. Shalameen de Guy. We are the breakfast club. We got some special guests in the building. The new movie, Moses, the Black is in theaters right now. We have Omar Eves, Director, Yalina Popovich, and Akeem Barry Senior. Good.

Good. Good. How y'all feeling, first and foremost? Good. Good. Good. Very good. Nice. Thank you for having us. Happy to have y'all, man. Moses to Black. Now, I know Moses was a real person. I did a little research. He was a fourth century saint. Yeah.

Right? Whose journey went from, like, violence to deep spiritual transformation. Who was he? He was, I think he was like the real Robin Hood. Because even when he was on his, let's say, path of darkness, he was truly taking care of his community, you know, given to the poor and things of that nature. And he came to an impasse in his life, where he realized he had to become the change he was seeking,

which is parallel to the character that I played Malik. He finds himself at a similar place. So the film explores those type of themes, obviously, in a contemporary setting. How do you translate that real-life arc into a modern crime drama? Well, that's Yelena, who wrote the film beautifully. But you should speak to that. Is that a lot of braving that? Yeah, well, could I just say first was really drew me,

I really fell in love with the saint because of his incredible courage and humility. I mean, this is the man who was all the way on one side. He was a notorious gang leader that was known for his brutal violence. People were feared of him. And basically, he not only abandons at the moment when you heed the light within, You know, not only that he abandons the ways, but he goes on this journey of a true freedom that achieves that the fruits that this true freedom wore through a lot of repentance, eschatic work, was this basically ability to face martyrdom with joy. And that to me was like, this was an incredible man, that hard must have been amazing, even. before his conversion, you know, to have that kind of courage to say, I lived by the sword,

now I'm going to die by the sword. And this is, for me, this is the way I want to go and I want to glorify my Lord and Savior in that way. So this is something that really kind of grabbed me. So I thought about this for a long time and I was trying to put a story together in a fourth century. But for some reason, whether you call it Riders Block or whatever, something was not quite there. I felt like he wouldn't do justice to the same until I have. had epiphany. I was in an island of Evia and I saw literally Chicago, Grandmere, I saw scenes of the movie in front of my eyes. And I, and I said to myself, no, no, no, and I said to myself. She said, no. She was sober. No, I was, I was, I was sober, but maybe you're not sober

when you're in the prayer. Maybe, maybe that's meditation, you know, so, so what happens was like, you know, I, I said, okay, now I have a movie, but then I was like, oh, great. but what do I know about Chicago and the gang life? And that's where I knew that if I wanted to do the justice to this incredible saint, I had to go to Chicago and by the providence of God, I believe I met this incredible gentleman, Reginald al-Keem Barry, whom I went to respectfully to ask a blessing if I can make a movie like this, if this movie would help his community,

and I can have him give him. you a little bit of a story of how that happened. I mean, I mean, he's without him. This wouldn't have happened. Well, the facts of the matter is a great friend of man, Alex Piscos, who was the head of Center Space. She obviously got in contact with him, and he told her if she really wants the real deal, you know, to contact me.

And to be real with you, I was just going to have lunch just to be cordial and blow his white lady off. Get her out of here. Yeah, yeah. Right. And so, again, during our lunch, you know, she had some real interesting things to say. And when she mentioned that she wanted to get the essence of Chicago and the street life, you know, I thought that was a great opportunity.

Also, for me, to speak about the street life, you know, it's not just as easy as people put it out there as guys just wake up at one morning you want to be a gang member you want to sell joy or you want to get killed that's not to unfold you know speaking from a personal perspective you know I am a preacher's son and so I was raised in the Baptist church you know uh to say that you don't need nothing material here you know what I'm saying you're going to be in poverty until you're getting heaven then you're going to have a street of gold I'm like well listen my next door neighbor getting money you know what I'm wearing brand new shoes I got holes in the bottom of mind you know and sees the

a fight of flight. You did what I'm saying? So over the years, I rose to the ranks of the folk on the hustlers and became the chief of myself. And during that time right there, again,

we was, what it called, Negro rich, you know, but when they come kick that deal in, you know what I'm saying? All that money went to the lawyer. You understand? I mean,

I got 18 years in the penitentiary. And so while I was romanating in the state's only supermax called Thames, I had an epiphany, you know? how I need to change my life because a whole lot of people, now that I have risen to the top antelon of this organization,

perhaps I can introduce change and bring it back to where the founders had when they was giving breakfast and daycare and that sort of thing, you know? And so when I was emancipated in 2006, I started the organization called Saving Our Sons. And through those works there, you know what I'm saying? Me and Alex became like brothers from another mother. and, you know, having met Elena, you know,

we put some things down on paper and the rest is history. I think a lot of what I saw in the movie, too, we were talking about this earlier was the message that there's already power in you, but you might not recognize it at a point and that we all need something to bring us up out of that. And for a lot of us, especially black community-wise,

it is religion that we turn to that helps us kind of like figure that out. Absolutely. I'm glad you said that because, you know, whether you're religious or not, when we use these words, like faith and when we use words like redemption people always attribute them to religion or spirituality but there's a different angle as well you even if you're a science-based thinker you got to have faith in the unknown you're all of your things are hypotheses because you weren't here

a million years ago to say this carbon this that and the other and when we use words like redemption you know if you uh you wanted to lose weight you started it working out in a diet and then you kind of went off, you know, you can put back on some pounds. When you're on your road back, like, let me get back on my dean. That's a form of redemption. You're redeeming yourself. If you did somebody wrong, when you come and you humble, you apologize, yo, my bad. That's a form of redemption.

So I'm only saying that to say it's not just from a faith-based angle, just from a human experience angle. What perspective are you looking at? Three of you. Do you think that Malik was actually at first a bad guy, like, or just do doing what he had to do. You know what I mean? Like, because it's different ways to look at it. You can come at it from two different perspectives.

You know what I mean? Absolutely. Malik has similarities of my life. You know, and again, you know, situations push you into situations. Yeah. Like I said, I come from household and nine kids. You did? And so public aid,

my father used to have to hide up under the porch. When the public aid, people come ring your bell and sit on the couch and they test your teeth and lift your shirt up, make sure you get no whips on you and that sort of thing. And that was like traumatizing. You know, when I came to teenage,

I'm like, well, I'm going to help my mom. You know, you had movies like the Mac. You had movies like Superfly. You said it's this kilo right here. You can get your family out of the hood. You know, and that impressed me. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, well, this is the only game

that left me to play. Right. In the 70s, you're either going to be an entertainer or you're going to be an athlete or drug dealer. One of the three. You know. The key thing, he just said, in the 70. Yeah, in the 70s.

That's the era I grew up in. And so again, you know, by the time I became a chief in the 90s, you know, I was in the penituary. You did what I'm saying? And Mr. Hoover came along with a message of Century 21, saying there wasn't going to be no more gang banging on each other. You did what I'm saying, we're going to be all one family. And what the government did, they threw them in a super maximum prison to silence them. And I became an ambassador for that message. And it wasn't long before I found myself in a super maximum prison to silence me.

So I don't speak to that for a second because people would like to say, you know, Larry Hoover is just some gangster criminal who just needs to be locked away. But, you know, people that actually know him in his story say he feels like he's a political prisoner. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, again, the man is almost 80-something. You know what I'm saying? But every time come up parole, they show a picture of him being 26. And, you know, it's a fear factor.

Politics move on fear. You know what I'm saying? Trump doing the same thing right now. Fear. You did it what I'm saying? if Mr. Hoover was home right now, a whole lot of things were cease and desist. Because people still give reverence to his name and his word.

And so, again, you have Jeff Ford, same way. Political prisoners, you know. This guy going to free the Bitcoin people, you know what I'm saying, who embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars. You let them out of prison, but somebody, you understand me, who actually hadn't hurt nobody in almost 30 years.

You still hold them hostage. How difficult is that, though, right? Because when you, on the streets, you got, well, when you're in the streets, you got your soldiers, you know what I mean, people that look up to you to lead them in the street life, right? And then when you're thrown in prison and now you are,

you're preaching, the total opposite of that, the pressures of it is like, do we follow you still? But this is what we was doing out here, like how are you going, you know what I mean? What are the pressures like being in, and share your experience even when you were incarcerated? Like, was that any type of pressure

being in there leading the total opposite of what you were throwing in there for? To be honest, which I had several attempts for my life. This guy right across my throat. Yes, sir. You know, because, again, I wasn't with the homosexuality. You need a raping young brothers. I wasn't with that move, you know?

And so, again, an attempt was made in my life because you had older guys who had been there and they're going to be there. And they say, well, listen, these are they wives and et cetera. And so, again, I did go through a bit of trepidation about, you know what I'm saying, because I put my guns down with the opposition, put their guns down. So I took counsel with my father, and he told me, you know, it don't take no courage to blend into the crowd. It takes courage to stand out from the crowd. And so I took that challenge, you know what I met with all the rest of the cheese in my community

and let them know, listen, I'm going on this side of the street, and I pray you will let me do this peacefully. Because again, you know, like I say, redemption, and I can always go back that way as well if my life is threatened, you know. But fortunately, God put a cover over me. And again, you know, I was able to bless my community with thousands of jobs over the last 19 years that I've been involved with. Incredible. And you feel that in the movie, though. Like the movie, to me, I don't know if this is what you guys are you intended. But it's almost like a, like the messaging is like an act of like activism of trying to wake people up on the streets right now and let them know to join exactly what you're talking about.

And a lot of times those type of things are not accepted when we are. putting our people together saying, look, y'all got these soldiers, but like if y'all did this instead of this, right? So what has that pushback been like? Because I know y'all going into theaters and like, what's that? Let's talk about that.

Let's talk about that one. I'm hearing there's a, you got some disturbing news about this movie? Yeah, listen, let me tell you something. The reality of the fact is, you know, the powers that be are trying to suppress this movie as we speak. You know, you had, you know, several,

studios, so I say theaters who actually pulled the movie. You know, I have family and friends in various states who contacted me and said, man, listen, we can't find the movie. You know, it was there two weeks ago, but now it was, you know, out of the side. They pulled. Two days before the release. We made the movie for, yeah. We made the movie for the community, and they're actively and aggressively trying to keep the film from the community. is...

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Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discussed, Why men aren't emotionally bulletproof? Why shame hides in plain sight?

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Every is disgusting, but it's a sign of these times of now. Well, the truth of the matter is, Cook County has the biggest jail system in the country as far as prison. You know, the Cook County, where you hold you before you actually go to prison. And you have people who made a living of building these buildings. You understand me?

To try to, I guess, incarcerate the whole, mass of a generation, you know, again, I sat there from 1988 to 2006. You know what I'm saying? And it's not, I didn't change my mind. I had changed my mind, but the judge

didn't change my time. You know what I'm saying? And the truth of the matter is, again, you know, my family has been in that community for over 60 years. And so we have roots. Yeah. You know, so when was able to come out with this message, you know, it resonated. It resonated.

and I can say, you know what I'm saying, that the people are are clamoring for this movie to be put back in the studio. What reasoning did they give? Is it about race? Is it about the religious imagery? Like, what is it? Listen to this.

This is, you're going to laugh now. The reason is it wasn't pre-sold enough. Who pre-sells, you know, like, like, that's moral. Like that's pre-sold enough. And even people that bought up theaters were refunded.

What? People bought out. whole theaters to see the film and they refunded them. That doesn't even make sense. Specifically in Chicago? In Chicago? Across the country. Okay. And especially in Chicago. Melrose Park, Cicero,

you know, in the urban areas where these particular movies are, these theaters are, you know, because we don't have any theaters on Madison Street no more. You know, they don't have them downtown anymore, you know? You have to go to the outer suburbs to actually see a film. And again,

I guess they say they didn't want the African-American community you know what i'm saying the flood they show like that damn so money don't even make sense i mean box office don't need that don't matter no more listen that's crazy that's yeah but they cry how they care about the communities right i'm sorry to say that but yeah and and please let them know how attempting this film is what is what does west side chicago brothers what do they think about this film people that they've seen it listen i mean people was crying you know what i'm saying mothers daughters, brothers, you know, because you can see, literally see yourself. When people from Chicago saw Madison Street, you know, they could relate to Madison Street.

When they saw Central, they can relate to Central. You know, when they saw Shine King, people start cheering, clapping their hands. And this is just a play where you go to the shoes shine it. But no one has ever brought the movie, John Dr. Tut, the inner west side. You know, you have people who profess. It won't change. But again, when you have a reduced change, you know, you have powers of the beach like, hold it.

This might stop our gravy train. You know, people might stop selling drills the way they was doing. People might stop shooting one another. And we're going to lose some sheriff jobs. I'll give you a perfect example. When I was first taken to the town, Super Maximum Prison, on the way there, I'm watching the surroundings.

You know, I'm seeing houses, there was dilapidated. I'm seeing a horse with a bent back. I'm saying Rusty, tractors. But when I left that eight years later, he had brand new houses, brand new cars, boats in the driveway. Why? Because when the prison come,

the gas station come. The bank come. The restaurant come. Because black folks are going to come visit their people. You understand me? And so when we shut it down, people got to literally with their signs, don't take our prison away. Madness.

I wonder. I wonder. I wonder. Why do you think God showed you Chicago? You know, that's a good thing. I was on an island of I was in Greece when that happened And this is a crazy story Because there's so many Providential

Moments in my life And in this story Let me share this one Because I was struggling with the story for a long time And I was in an island Called Evia That one of the In a monastery

Invited to spend a night By this elder who won in Greece And they wanted to Ask me if I can make a film About this other saint And I said, I never even thought of making a films that was saints. I just simply read these stories and they resonated with me. So if unless I have something honest in my heart, I can't express it.

Then I'm the wrong person. So he says, no, no, no, no, just listen to me. Just sit here tonight and pray. I'm like, okay. So I sat there. I put a blanket. It was cold. And because naturally, St. Moses was in my mind.

Because I'm like, why I cannot tell this story in the fourth century? I'm doing it down for two years and something is playing with me. until all of a sudden I see literally in front of me Chicago funeral grandmother like and then I'm like

well I have a movie now so I was super happy by the time I got home it was in Athens but then I was like oh but how I'm going to tell a story of Chicago I got to go and meet somebody thank God I met this amazing man here that without whom and his brothers and sisters I wouldn't be able to do this

we were able to really put this together and And yeah, so that's how this honestly came about. Somebody might think you're out of it, but I told you the truth. So that's how these things come. And it's a, not to cut you up, but it's a beautiful thing because Chicago is Chicago, but it's also a microcosm for sort of everyhood in the country, right? It could be Memphis.

It could be Houston. It could be, you know what I mean? Where these situations are happening at a rampant pace. but it's perfect because Chicago is Chicago, sort of the epicenter right now of, like, gang culture. That's the first place conservatives like the name. Like that. With the quickness.

What about Chicago? I mean, I'm a world traveler, right? And everywhere I go, you know what I'm saying? When you mention Chicago, they glorify the fact of Al Capone, as if that's gangsterism stopped with Al Capone, you know what I'm saying? I mean, foals been around since 67. You did? And we started off again being the Wheelcock's Boys,

protecting four corners on the west side of Chicago, where Polish and Italians, you remember when Luther King came to the West Side about unfair housing? Because we couldn't move to the West Side back in the 60s. And so that's where the Wheelcock's Boys was formulated to protect us our families from these races, Italians, out of Chicago.

And it morphed from Wilcox Boys to four corners, and then it became hustlers. So she prayed For God to show her Chicago And he showed her old black And then she came No no West side

She came to the west side Okay So what black's there It's Pulaski Road Pulaski Road And you know what And I want to say Can I please say that

I'm I'm I'm a rapper from there Don't right there You know I know now Can I say something Pulaski

South Pulaski Road Right No West Pulaski Road That's a hood And a lot of people ask me, well, were you, you know, there are people that have these things like, oh, well, are you a little bit afraid to go afraid? And I'm like, I'm like, first of all, I'm Serbian. I grew up in a hood. That's number one. That's right.

Let's put that out there. So, and I must say that I, and I, if I say this from my heart, I will literally fear up someone to try to keep it back. I've never felt more alive than going on the West 262 South Polasky Road. That's right, my office. His office. And working with people

of the west side of Chicago. I would never, I could never be grateful enough. I'm sorry, guys. I felt a lot. She earned the name Chief, man. We've been calling the Chief all on the set. It did.

Because again, was there to give a master class. She took guys who was literally on the corners, selling drugs, guys who was in the rough house trying to rap in the hallway to their peers, you did, what I'm saying? And literally put them in front

of the world. Had enough trust in these guys, put them in front of the world. I mean, there was there was Therzbians there, such as Omar. Then she took some rappers and trusted them, you know what I'm saying, to come out of the rap personality and become Therzbians. And these guys encompass these personalities.

and I was right there with my foot down, make sure we kept it authentic. For real, for real. We're getting you some tissue, Yulana. Yelena's our soul sister. She was the skipper, right? And for those, because there will be those. Oh, you're dead, white woman, this, that.

She's from a war-torn country, and when you sit and you talk with her, and you discover her intention is coming from the right place. And that ultimate place where that color and all of that doesn't exist. We are, it's the energy. It's the energy

that's really driving us, really. So we're able to articulate. The same hard-ass tower. And have the, and create the conversation to piggyback on what Akeem was just talking about.

It's like, nah, she went boots to the ground, you know, in the mud, showed up. And was there and was comfortable because the people

could feel that energy. For real, You know what I mean? They could feel that energy emanating from her. So everyone felt it was a safe space. You know what I mean? To give and to be vulnerable and to expose those parts of themselves. You said you never felt more alive, Elena. I want to hear more about that because a lot of times people talk about places,

they talk about people they never talked to. Yeah. So you actually went there and spoke to these individuals. What made you feel so alive? There's so much love. There's so much humility. And maybe, maybe there's a lot of distractions. And I always say like when we sometimes I have both of my boys there in sports and any any

serious athlete will tell you that you're as good as your worst day. So if people want to see what their souls look like they can go visit those inner cities Oh I go with I promise you I mean again another thing that impressed me and and and the heart you'll feel alive I I I I I mean, maybe because I love God. I'm a believer. The connection, people have faith there because that's all they have. And I know what it means to have only faith and that's how to live by.

And I don't consider that a curse. I consider that a gift because when we are weak, we are strong. And this is, I feel, where we're connected. And people opened up and they gave me so much love and trusted me. And that gave me courage because we did not have. have all the funds. We did not have with Khalifa. We did not have 50 cent Omar Reps. There was nobody there.

Yon de Waal does. Nobody. Nobody. We were just thinking there's going to be maybe one of the rappers going to wrap these lines. And little by little things were happening. And it was beautiful to see how this and then

I couldn't let the community moments when it looked like it was not going to happen, but I just gave it all to just do the justice. to these beautiful people, they've, you know, they've reminded me that it's those moments that matter when you feel joyful and alive. Take that, Dr. Umar.

No, I'm just joking. Salute to you, brother. Salute to you, brother. Listen, we're going to have a screening for Moses to Black. Eddie, set it up. I see it showing at one of the AMC theaters, AMC Empire 25 in New York. Call them, that's what we'd be using.

I'm going to, I'm about a theater for Moses to Black. Thank you, really. That is done. Thank you so much. Thank you for having us. You're giving us a platform. That's wonderful. Lakin, Barry, Sr. Elana Popovich, Omar Epps, man.

Thank you all for coming. Thank you, Saddam, man. We appreciate it. It's the breakfast club. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Yeah. I'm not dumbing myself down. I'm being myself.

That source is tough. I'm the home guy that knows a little bit about everything and everything. Lauren. Little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you. Take me through that. The latest with Lauren on the breakfast club. L.L. Cool baby.

Talk to me. All right y'all. So going back to the Grammys really quickly because we got to make sure we talk about Lauren Hill and the tribute that she did to DeAngelo and to Mr. Roberta Flack. Now she, Lauren Hill opened up

the immemorial with her tribute to DeAngelo. Yeah, I love that. What I love. I mean, I know you got some more, you got more audios for that tribute. Yes. Okay, I'm my big. So from what I was told, because, so what I was told is that Lauren Hill actually curated the tribute herself, like personally.

There was, I saw Leon Thomas on the carpet talking about the fact that she actually called him because he was a part of the tribute. But Michael, DeAngelo's son, who actually went to the Grammys, he told me that Ms. Lauren Hill reached out to him to even come and watched a rehearsal the day before, but he got into late. So he missed it. So she was making sure personally, she took her time to. make sure people were involved and saw different things. Lucky Day actually was one of the people involved as well, too. He did a cover of brown sugar. And then you have...

Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Then you have Raphael Sadeek, Anthony Hamilton, who did Lady and Leon Thomas came in with Devil's Pie. Who y'all said that was? Leon Thomas? Leon Thomas. Wow.

And Balau killed. I know it's not a competition. And shout out to everybody who was a part of the Angelou tribute. But Balow and Leon Thomas like killed it. Bilal sound like how I think I sound. when I'm singing that. You never brought you sounded like that.

You never said that. Are you dumb? I'm saying. No, my, go ahead. Yeah. And then they, of course, they honored Roberta Flack as well. And the big surprise of the night

was when Y. Clef came out to join Lauren Hills. She did the famous breakdown with the world. Like, she hit that. She did that part? That's dope. Why is a surprise when Wachleff come out? It's just a surprise people that prize comes out. Like, what's you doing here?

What are you? Prize is a business in here. Prize about sound. And a lot of reasons why he shouldn't be there And that would be a surprise I'm surprised you got Wycleft there I think people just love to see them together I know Michael was telling me about

Like his experience at the show And he was saying that when Wycleft came out He lost it Like it was just a good moment to see And people were wondering if Angie Stone Would be honored as well too They did make sure they had Angie Stone On the screen as well

I also saw Irf Gotti And Malcolm Jamal Warner So it was a great in memoriam You know I know sad to have lost all those people But they honored them very well Yeah they did Shout out to October London.

He did the Roberta Flack. He was a part of a Roberta Flack tribute. Yes. And John Baptiste was a part of the DeAngelo one as well. He was on the Keys too. So was John Legend, right? Yeah, John Legend was a part of it as well. Yes, there was a lot of names.

But yeah, so, I mean, we don't have time for much in this hour. And the next latest, we're going to get into that Shakurrison fight and the hair falling off and all the things. We don't need you to talk sports. We're going to go. You don't have more from the Grammys? I do have more from the Grammys before. Oh. Well, first go on, no, no, no, no, no.

Because let me tell you something. You don't have to be an avid, like, I love boxing person to watch a boxing match and want to mention. And shout out somebody for winning and somebody for hair falling on. Touchdown, right? Touchdown, yes. Shut up. Shut up. You're a cloud.

But shut up. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say, I'm wrapping up the Grammy stuff this hour. And I did want to take time to salute Tank in Brian Michael Cox because I attended a pre-Gramie brunch that Brian Michael Cox does every year. they raised $50,000 in less than four minutes for HBCU students and HBCU Week. That was like fire to see, like in the room.

That is dope. On the moment. Drop a bomb for them. That's dope. Yes. I posted that audio to the Brangar grinding and the Breakfast Club Instagram, so you guys can go take a look at that. It's there as well.

We'll be talking more about it on the latest with Lauren the Rose of the podcast. I interviewed them and John B as well and a couple people that were there about the moment. And make sure you get that money tank because niggins be lying. Yeah. They be in the moment. They be in the moment and want to look good. And then you can't get it. Yeah, it happens all the time.

And let me salute to Trevor Noah. I mixed up Trevor Noah and Don Lemon that last hour. And I would never want to do that to my guy, Trevor Nova. He had me on his show, Trevor Nova. I apologize. Not Trevor Nova. I said Trevor Noah. First you said he was gay.

That's what I didn't understand. I'm like, where did you get that from? I'm like, where you get that from. No, because I was thinking Don Lemon, because she was talking Don Lemon as well. And Nicky's been going back and forward. Yeah. I didn't hear her talk about Don Lemon. I was thinking because Mickey Menazes has been going back and forth.

Don Lemon. Don Lemon was viral too at the Grammys because he got a stand an ovation at Clive Davis' Grammy party. And we saw that video and I think it just kind of Yeah, I mixed them to up. My bad, Trevor, I ain't want to do that to you. Too late. I can't wait to see who he mixed you up.

Anyway, speaking of up, gay, shout out to Duran Banar for one of the Grammy bringing his hands on stage and giving that dramatic speech. But he's himself. I love him so much. That made me so happy to see that. So shout out to Duran Baranar. Nobody could accept that like him.

Nobody. I love him. I love him so much. All right. Speaking of gay, Shalaman, who are you giving that donkey to? Man, I need all the

unsurious journalists, all the unsirious people who just ran with the pushy T, Eminem, and JZ are in the Epstein file story. I need y'all to come to the front of the congregation. We like to have a word with y'all, even though me doing this ain't going to change your minds anyway because nobody cares about the truth

and the lies more entertaining. Correct. You know, I still want to put it out there. All right. We'll get to that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. This is a miracle.

There is no question. that there are problems in this country between police and community. Yes, you are a donkey. The latest on that police killing of a black man. Now to new developments in the deadly spa shooting rampage. And yesterday it was a really bad day for him and this is what he did.

And so we are in a state of emergency. Okay, white supremacist violence is, always have been the number one threat to our society. But I'm also very proud that my wife is white. The breakfast club, bitch. All right, Shornay. Please tell me why was I your donkey of the day? Well, donkey of the day for Monday, February 2nd,

second day of Black History Month goes to all the unsurious journalists, all the unsurious people, period, who just ran with the push-a-tie, Eminem, and Jay-Z are in the Epstein file story. Yes, we are going to talk about that this morning because I don't understand. And I would love to get some understanding, okay? If you haven't heard this weekend, the DOJ published millions of pages, videos and images from this Epstein investigation under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. I believe they said it was roughly 3.5 million records.

By the way, whenever something about the Epstein files comes out, it never fails that President Donald Trump does something ridiculous. Okay. This past Friday, independent journalist Don Lemon and Georgia Fort were arrested by federal agents in Minnesota. They were accused of conspiracy and violating the First Amendment rights of worshippers during an anti-ice protest at a city's charge. Church and St. Paul. Both of them were released on bond following their initial court appearance.

And President Trump said former President Barack Obama should be arrested. Okay. There's a direct correlation between Epstein files being released and President Donald Trump doing are saying something crazy to deflect. Okay. It just is. Now, there are all types of things in these files. First of all, massive privacy failure because 43 survivors of Epstein's abuse were published without redaction. You got addresses, driver license photos. So now these people are getting and harassed online. It's nasty. Okay, then there was evidence suggesting a wider trafficking network. Okay, they got newly disclosed material that suggests Epstein may have traffic girls

to other wealthy, powerful men contradicting earlier DOJ claims that there was insufficient evidence to pursue others. You also saw in the files a lot of communication with high-profile individuals, a lot of emails and communications back and forth between Epstein and many wealthy, powerful people, okay? But I have to say, the presence of names does not necessarily imply, wrongdoing. All right. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, a bunch of politicians from the UK. Now, I know people are wondering what is going to come of all this. And the answer is probably nothing.

Legally anyway, I mean, the DOJ deputy AG Todd Blant said the files do not currently provide enough credible prosecutable evidence to bring new charges against other figures. I would say, well, if you take out all the credible prosecutable evidence before you release the files, of course they don't have enough credible prosecutable evidence, okay? But I want to get to the push-a-tie, Jay-Z, M&M of it all because that's what went crazy on my algorithm. And I have question.

I have one question. There's one question for the room. What do niggers hate more? Reading our accountability. What y'all think? Accountability. Reading. I think reading too.

Okay. I think reading as well. Okay. I don't understand why y'all are so quick to want to tear our own down without doing just a little bit of research. Okay, by the way, I saw way more headlines about Pushy T and JZ than I did M&M, but that's not surprising because we love tearing our own down,

even though when you're talking hip-hop Eminem is one of us, okay? But I don't even like the headlines I saw him, all right? Connecting Push-y-T, J-Z, and Eminem to something like the Epstein files? Come on, man. Okay, listen, for everyone who may not know, let me explain to you, mentions of these artists didn't come from Epstein's personal records. They didn't come from reports supported by law enforcement. Okay, these stories came from a crisis intake report,

a public hotline submission, a tip that some random person called in from 2019. They aren't backed by court findings, indictments, confirmed evidence. And if you actually read the stories, they just simply don't make any sense. Okay, what the hell would Jay Z be doing with Harvey Weinstein and Attorney General William Barr in 1996? That was the year his first album came out. Do you really think pushy tea in 2007 was hanging around Harvey Weinstein and was one of the victim's handlers? In the M&M story, the woman describes how she weighs 300 pounds, so a video of her would be easy to find.

This is her words, not mine. She says this in the report. She weighs 300 pounds, so a video of her would be easy to find. And in the M&M story, she said when she woke up, she saw someone recording with a phone, and she thinks it was ditty. okay all right once again these are

public hotline submissions not nothing within the file these are public hotline submissions the tips itself don't imply

these individuals were investigated okay nor does it in any way imply guilt for any of these accusations the DOJ literally said

some of the accusations polls could be fake are falsely submitted by the way anyone who actually took the time to read any of these

stories would know that now I don't have problem with people reporting this. I just don't understand how y'all don't report this with proper context. All you outlets know that people don't read past headlines. So if you put pushy T, JZ, M&M in the Epstein files, everybody is going to run with it. And I just be having to sit back and think, do we realize how much we are getting played? Okay. Whenever the powers that be want to deflect from what they got going on, they will always throw meat to the blacks. because they know

nobody controls the algorithm like black people. All right? Why do you think they like utilizing black influences black rappers, black artists? Because nobody controls

the algorithm like we do. Nobody gets people going like us. Oh, Fstein files coming out? Okay, put out some of the stuff from the DOJ tip line. There's some big names in there and it will be good this weekend because Putsy T is nominated

for all types awards at the Grammys this year. And people on social media, by people, I mean Drake fan pages, will have a field day with this, and they will talk about this so much that it will keep us out of the algorithm. Do we not understand how black culture is being used to protect the agendas of the elite? Okay, Fstein files come out Friday. Hmm, Don Lemon and Georgia Fort, black journalists get arrested. President Obama gets threatened with jail time.

And just for a little razzle-dazzle, J-Z, push-a-T, Eminem, and the Epstein files, all to get your algorithm focused off the relationship between Jeffrey Fiskson. and some of the most powerful people in this world. And sadly, it worked. But listen, when you black and successful, it comes with the territory. And as my therapist tells me often, you can't have your success without the problems that come with it.

And sadly, unsirious journalism is one of those problems. Please give all these unsirious journalists who just ran with the pushy T, Eminem, JZ, is an Epstein file story, the biggest he-ha. All right. And I know. I said all after nothing because nobody cares about the truth from the lies more entertaining. Which I saw in a lot of the comments on all those blogs who posted that.

So, Charlemagne, the people, they witch you because they was like, like, so they was quoting them up and down all of it. Makes sense. Up and down all of them comments. All right. Well, yeah, I wrote that in my first book. Nobody cares about it. I wrote about why nobody cares about the truth from the lives. Yeah.

I've been saying that for well over a decade. Yeah, decades. And sadly, it just gets worse and worse. at age as well. I thought it would have slowed down from 2014, 2015. It's just gotten worse, it's worse, and worse. People are getting paid for it now. So that's what makes it worse.

They weren't getting paid for it. It wouldn't matter. There's no consequences. But anyway, when we come back, Gerald Miller will be joining us. If you don't know who that is, I'm sure you, yes, Big Baby going to join us. Big Baby, don't you come in here with no goddamn hairpeak? Let me go check and make sure. Now, Big Baby is the box of that foot over the weekend.

It went viral. His hair piece flew off. He coming up here in a few minutes? Yes. We're going to talk the big baby I know that's right Bring his ass in here Shalaman went to go see if he got

His hair piece on this morning Lord did you leave some glue behind He's not here yet Does I know? What you mean? He's not here yet He's in the green room He said he's coming out

No he's out Oh yeah He's in the green room I just want to know if you got his hairpiece on don't you come in here With a damn hairpiece big baby Oh we don't you do that He's not going to come with it on

He can still fight He can still fight Just watch him out a little bit Y'all He can see the boxes Just be careful Just the breakfast of love Good morning

Morning Thank everybody. It's DJ NVV. Just hilarious. Shalomaine the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building. He just won this week at the Madison Square Garden. He's 27 and won two draws. Ladies and gentlemen from Brooklyn, New York. He has his Tim's on today. You know it. Gerald, Big, Big Baby Miller. Welcome, brother. What's so? Thanks for having me. What the hell are you thinking? What the hell are you thinking? Congratulations. Congratulations. I'm sorry. Congratulations. Congratulations. I didn't get a warm up yet. I ain't got a car.

I'm watching the fight live. I'm literally watching. I'm watching the fight live. And as I'm watching, I'm like, man, I must be high. This edible kicking in, because it looked like big baby head is moving. I was hard too.

I don't know what I was thinking, but I said, excuse my language, I got to roll with it because, man, I always had head. You know, I'm trying to say, it was breaking on a little bit last,

and I'm bringing on my mom too. I kind of felt bad about that. I said, you know what? I'm just going to roll with it. So anyway, I always had here. But, you know, I never put an enhance,

all that stuff in there. I'm like, I was a spanish spot. Cupid's in Miami. Matt, shh, shh, left it in there,

went to training, washed my hair out, half my hair fell out. And I said, okay, I ain't ready to go bald yet. Can't pull a shoulder to make just yet.

I said, you know what? You got a nice head for a ball to. Yeah, you just. Like you had. Oh, let me blush over here.

When I first saw the piece come off, I was like, oh, damn, you could have just came like that. You know what it was? I wasn't ready to do it just yet. I'm like,

you know what if it do fall off in the ring? I'm like, man, that might be a good thing. I said, man, it could be 50-50. So I went to my boy. I went to my boy. We had to win after that. And so, I was getting my ass with before that point. I ain't going to lie to you.

I feel like, my turn to him. He wop in your ass. I'm like, yeah, you're not turning up. I said, see the hair pieces. Oh, yeah, we definitely got a winters. I can't go back to the block with my head looking like this. And I'm like my head. And like, I'm not.

So did they glue it on? Like, what? What? They didn't sew it to a scalp, V? I don't know. I glued it on. It was flapping. My man said he put the tape, plus he hit me with the roller.

Like, you thought he was painting the wall. Like, he put the glue and the tape on it. He said it's going to be double reinforcement. I thought we were going to be all right. But, man, my boy, Abiza was knocking me aside of head, boy. Is that a good? Is that illegal? What you mean?

Yeah, so you want to do, you got to come. You want to take it off? Yeah, I was going to say, what's under there. Yeah, I do it, though, because I, you know, I was just, I got you. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Don't give me no jabs and that. Oh, you got to join Jefferson. So why can't you take over the... Honestly, honestly, I was saving a fiat, bro. Big baby. Let's go go back a little bit. Big baby. Big baby.

I need you to grow up. Come, man. Listen, listen, it's so funny. It's so funny. I'm just a little quick. My son will go this morning. He says, Daddy, can I see head? I'm like, for what?

He's ugly. He's like, I like it. And he laid on my head. I was like, you know what? He's five. He's four years old. So I was like, you know what? I can't take three more days in the.

So is that real hair? That's my real hair? That's real hair. This is my real hair. You didn't watch the fight. This was under the win. I did, but I didn't know if the whole thing was glued on. I got real hair.

Like, I really have hair. So it was just at that moment in the time, I'm like, man, I don't want to go in there with a ball yet. So I slapped me. Go slat the piece on him. You got the perfect head for the ball. Really? I'm co-signing it.

You got, go ahead. Give you permission to ball it out. I'm with the bow. Do you fight your barba now? Whoever glued that on? Do you go give him five minutes? It's so funny. he's never given me a cut before but he usually gives him my cousin a cut so i'm gonna call my cousin

me yo bro i ain't ready to go bald yet he's like yo my man got the piece i'm gonna get the piece that's his name i think he was in my comments because he left me a comment he was like i didn't do that yeah yeah yeah my cousin he could park in a car so he gonna probably come up and tell you but i was like yo for real he you get the units he's like yeah yeah he's gonna slap one over because i walked in me that's bad happen he'll slap it was like yo this kind of fire no it did how much he charged you for that big baby man like 700 last minute. Seven.

No. You gotta get $6.50 back. Yeah. Let them keep 50 for label. Let me ask you question. No, when the half-piece came off, did it hurt more than any points you took that night? It's so. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone.

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Funny because I didn't realize it came home, but I felt a draft. Like, I felt like I had like an indoor AC moment. I'm like, nah, I don't think it happened. But I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there. My coach is giving me instructions, but he stuttered twice. and that's what he never stuttered.

He looked up like this like his eyes. Really would have came up. I'm going to look at the Jumbotron because the Jumbotron will have to replay. So when I went like this, ridiculous. And I said, oh, shit. They got me.

I said, what are we going to roll with it? Let's go, baby. And I got it. I tossed it in the crowd. I said, that's time to get back to work. Did you feel more exposed when the hell left or when the camera zoomed in? Like, when you saw it on the jumble,

you were like, oh. Yeah, the minute I seen on the jumble cron, the jumbotron, I was like, oh yeah we fried we cooked in this one so we gotta win this fight now does it bother you that people know you more for the hairpiece than the actual boxing you know what is for years ago

you know when I met Sean man a few years ago man they knew me for boxing you know I mean we're not a little bit and I was um I'm always been a funny guy you know I'm always gonna make fun of myself you know DJ Self is like my God brother you know what I mean so you know dealing with him and you got you can't be you know you got to know how to roll with the punch Self had one self had one too

Self was the first one too Say, you were speaking too. DJ Silvert's like, Sh, come on, man, I know, I know, but see,

but like, like being from, like, being from New York, even being from New Jersey, New York, we all grew up,

just cutting on each other. So if you can't take somebody cutting on you, that's what it made me good in boxing, like, I could roast you and be crack a body

to them wrong, you know what I'm trying to say, so I've always been able to roast myself. That's why it's all for people to get at me in school. Because I was always fighting, too,

so anyway, I beat up all my bullies after they bully me, the way I am right now. I thank God for that, you know what? Because I can, I can laugh it off. Plus, like I said, man, I can still take your girl with this hair. Is the hairpiece regulation approved by the boxing commission?

You know what? It's not regulated or approved, per se, but I know you go pre-fighting inspections and they check you for your body parts and, you know, make sure anything is good or whatever. And I was like, yo, I was thinking about, what if he canceled the fight because I got his piece on? I was like, fine, you ain't going to know. And he tested real quick, and he kept the movement. I was like, all, we go. We're going to run out.

They check your hair. What happened is you check your scalp. They squeeze your head Make sure you got no fractures in your jaw Not like that And of course they don't really want Like long hair With things, you know

Whipping in the Whip in the ear and all that So he just touched my scalp Yeah Should fighters start listing hair pieces With mouth guards and cups During inspection Man, I think it's definitely gonna be a thing now

Because I definitely brought light to it You know? So I hope I ain't You know hurt for nobody else But damn And I'll be honest You look in much better shape Today than you did in the ring to me

Yeah I know you were 317 But I'm just like You actually look fit You didn't look fit No, I know I feel like what happened, I got to get a bigger cup. Any time I get that kind of cup and, like, it pushes my butt.

But, like, I'm pretty solid, man. Like, I'm not, like, a 3-17 sloppy guy, but I don't know, man. Maybe I had the cheeseburger and put some more muscle up. Listen, the commentators was playing you throughout the whole fight because they kept saying, this is such a sloppy fight. And I'm like, what they really wanted to say was, this is a fat fight. You know what I mean? And then when the head came off, they was like, oh, you know, he won by a hair,

this and that. But you do look in much better shape now. Yeah, you know what it is. I'm gonna say something, man. If you watch my last photo, any Ruiz, you know, I won that fight and gave me a drawing that I fight in his hometown. And I'm a very fast guy on my feet. I throw a lot of punches, 70, 80 punches around.

But the year and a half layoff is what really hurt me in this fight. You know, and I'm fighting a guy that's my height, 280, ex-football player. Any of the damn Nigerians, they're so damn strong. Like I said, I'm going to be fine. I get him, bro. He was ready for me. Anybody know they're fighting big baby, they come prepared. So, you know, I had about 28, 29 days notice to really get ready for this fight.

So I was not my hundred of my best. So I'm, thank God, I got the win. We back to work, you know. He got a cauliflower wall. He punched him up in the air a couple of times. My ass rolled up. Got to get that stitched up. So, like I said, the main thing was get to win.

You know, we got some notoriety back on the map, get back in the gym, back to focus back to the ground. Do you feel like you missed your moment because, you know, you were supposed to be the guy who fought Anthony Joshua's first fight here in America? Correct. Andrew Ruiz ended up winning that fight. You did beat Andrew Ruiz. Do you feel like you missed your star making moment?

I mean, you know what? I beat myself many times over the years because. of that. You know what I mean? It's so funny. One of my boys, God rest his soul, you know, he was doing 18 years in a joint. And he said, bro, you need commit no crime, you can kill nobody. It's like, it's like, you lost, you lost your, go make it re-up again.

You go back to the block and start over. Because what happened is, you know, I beat myself because of social media and other people. But in life, I know that, I'm in a better business than somebody else. So I got another day to make it, another day to make it happen. I got to say, I pray to God, stay grounded, and stay focused. And yes, I did I miss the opportunity,

but I'm still alive. You know, I'm trying I say, like, there's plenty of superstars and stars that had to be born and restart over 30. You know, Mike went to jail on that situation he had years ago. Mama and Harley had to go to Canada and stay away from his career for two or three years. And I'm trying to say, you know what? Maybe this is my time of recent figured things out. You know, I went through a divorce after that. I lost my mansion in Jersey, got rid a couple of cars.

Like, I went through the gutter. But I really figured out at that time, like, you know, my public sister, Alvina, she's been with me from the beginning. So it's like a lot of people have been riding with me when I had. nothing again, they're around right now. So we're going to get to the top. Because you had tested positive for the performance enhancer, right?

Man, let me tell you something. A $15 penis pill from the A-Rab store was in the- I swear to God on everything I love, bro. Let me take some. Maybe you're doing anything. I'm going to, I be telling you. Yo. That what it was.

Before he said, I took this. He got to notice shortly. He said, I took him. They can't hear you. They can't hear you. You got a gas station. Yeah, yeah. So, so.

It's very humble, and I've been with him 16 years. He told them prior to the fight, I got the confirmation. I did take this. I just want you all to know. I took this. It was like zero point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point, point in his blood. That Vada came after with that, which we understand. But he has not lied.

He is not a liar. As you can say, he is very humble and kind. He's lovable. He was not a liar. That is what happened. Leasy said it. I wouldn't have said it. That's embarrassing.

But as you can see, this is Big Baby. And that's why he's an inspiration because of his transparency. Thank you. The hell did you need penis pills for? You was only in your 20s. You were trying to tear something up. You were trying to tear something up. So let me say something, man.

So, you know, we had a couple things in the town. And we was running a while. I said, yo, it's right before Camp, about the start. I said, me, go get one in real quick. Well, about four in, really. But, you know, when that ARA, I got the black end, you know, black in was pretty crazy back me. It's before the honey pack was really, you know, pick it up.

And I popped two of them. That's what the rhino, the rhinoceros on the thing? No, no, that's the rhino one thousand you're talking about. We're talking about the black ant. Black ant, okay. The black ant don't give you headaches. The black ant, nah, that's going. You ready to rock and roll, you know what I'm trying?

You know what I'm trying? It's hydrated with that. Yeah, I mean, what happened, bro? Listen, man, like, like I said, it's so funny because we sign contracts now with these companies where we can't bash them and stuff now. It's so funny they say that. But the thing is, now, why would you do that?

Because they made a lot of mess-ups before for other fighters in the past, and fighters were getting suing them now. You know what I mean? And the main person who started VADA, named Victor Conti, and he was the biggest dope doctor in all the MLB health football pitchos. It's a lot of shady gray everywhere with these drug testing companies, right? And let me tell you

something. The level of what they find in my system was like 0.00-0-0-0-1 of a nanogram. You know what a nanogram is? It's like a point-gram of a gram. It's just, I'm a man you're gonna who the hell can't test for this how can i know to me in my system we go party in new york all the time we go hang out somebody can touch your drink and you rub your nose it's a something in your system so it's a lot of the time of BS and i lost a lot of money because you not even supposed you wasn't even supposed to be getting no cheeks before the fight

he said before training camp he said before training camp I go like a week before a fight man I need some i need some I need some booty bro I ain't gonna lie I pause that sound crazy yeah yeah I need any so I want to go back you got another question about this how did you how did you get into boxing being from Brooklyn what guys You got you into kickboxing. Oh my goodness. Actually, the pet to the truth. Salute to Big Baby Miller for joining us this morning, man.

Yeah, he's hilarious. Man, man. I like his personality though. He's like, he cool with it. But that's why I said this moment was good for him because people get to see his personality now. But the next fight, they got to see his hands because it wasn't a good showing for him. Correct. On Saturday.

He didn't look good in the... You've seen him in better shape than that? That's my first time. Yeah, I've seen him in better shape than that. But I'm just talking about I've seen him fight better than that as well. But like you said, he only had three weeks to prepare. you know, you need a little, what do you say, dust the rust off?

I didn't even know that you can have last minutes, you can take last minute fights like that. I thought you had to have a certain period of time where you have to spar, I mean, or train first before you get in the ring. Well, he does have an amazing story, man. So you can go watch the full conversation on Netflix. Yeah, all right.

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No, I'm almost done. Go on the show. All right, all right. So I know y'all just talked to Jerobic Baby Miller. Just real quick, one to send because we mentioned it in the last hour. Congratulations to Shakur Stevenson. Before we move into the other news. Shut up.

Now, moving on in other news, another news, another. really quick mention and I wanted to make sure we got in today. So Snoop Dog yesterday posted sending love to his daughter and so did his son because his daughter lost her baby girl. Oh, man. Yes. So Snoop Dog's daughter, her name is Corey. She'd been taking us on his journey of her having her baby girl, Cody, and her baby girl

was born prematurely. Cody had came home from the NICU and everything and then Corey posted that she lost her daughter. She said, Monday I lost the love of my life, my Cody. and you know Corey's brother also posted as well too just in support like you know saying little since we got you so sending them some love

yeah definitely rest of peace sending healing energy to the whole brother's family yes yeah now in other news a quick little Grammy thing here so President Trump

so we've been talking a lot about Trevor Noah's jokes all night long and he threw a joke another joke because I read a few Trump jokes Trump's way. Let's take a listen to Trevor Noah talk about Greenland. Song of the year. Congratulations, Billy Elish. Wow, that is a Grammy that every artist wants almost as much as Trump wants Greenland.

Which makes sense. I mean, because Epstein's island is gone, he needs a new one to hang out with Bill Clinton. So, oh, I told you, it's my last year. What are you going to do about it? I plan with Trevor. Listen, President Trump was not too happy. about that. So he went to true social, his platform, and

it's a full response, but I just grabbed the part of it where he says that Trevor Noah is a total loser. He better get his faxed straight and get them straight fast because he's going to sue him. Trump says that he's going to be sending his lawyers to sue his poor pathetic, talentless of an MC. He's going to be asking for

plenty money. And he says ask CBS what happened. Ask George what happened. He's talking about that prior lawsuit that he had. And he says he's going to have some fun with Trevor Noah. Well, I would say that's a waste of time, Trump, if he's suing Trevor Noah directly. If he's going to sue Trevor Noah,

the Grammys and the network that aired it, who aired that last night? CBS, CBS. Hey, he doesn't shook CBS down. How much more can you shake them down? That's your network now. That's your new Fox News. How much more can he shake them down?

But, yeah, ain't no money in just suing Trevor by himself. Like, stay suing the networks, stay suing the IRS and federal institutions. Because clearly Trump got a goal. He's trying to reach. Man, he got his own goal. fun to be going on. Mm-hmm. Right.

And this is actually the Grammy's last year on CBS. And Trevor Noah made it very clear. This is last year doing the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you're going to. It ain't your last year of flying trouble. You're going to have some problems at every airport

around the country from here on for at least the next three years. I actually love Trevor as those. I think he kills it. Oh, now you love Trevor Lowe. In the first hour, in the first hour, you literally said the man was gay. Now you literally said in first hour. I'm mistaken. First hour, you said, I thought

everybody knew. Trevor for Donald. down lemon that's why. Which is crazy. That is even more. All your age individuals supposed to stick together. You're right. You're right. You're right. My bad, y'all. My bad, y'allel. Why don't you think about Don Lemon? Because we're talking about Nicki Minaj. Nicky Minnaz been throwing dogs and Don't know what I'm doing daughter down all week. It's okay. It's okay. And be I put it up for your first hour, just to stop.

To my light skin breeder. Yes. Now, real quick, too, I want to mention. And I feel like, you know, because this is Cardi B's first time back on SNL since like 2018, 2019. And I didn't really see a lot of places because I didn't. I didn't really see it. I don't really see it. I I feel like the Grammys kind of took over, but Cardi B was on SNL. She was a musical guest. Pete Davidson also had a performance with an SNL or a pop-up performance as well, too. So I wanted to salute them. And a lot of people pointed out the fact that she chose,

she did airy time in Bodega Baddy, but people loved the Bodega Baddy performance, just, you know, pointing out the fact of the Times, and she brought a Dominican recording artist El Padigio. I probably said that wrong, on stage as well, too, which was a big deal as well. And they talked a bit about ice in one of the skits that Pete Davidson did.

I don't have time to play it Why not play? I don't know Pete did nothing out this weekend, let's play. Let's take a listen to Pete Davidson talk about ice. My name is Tom Holman. Now, who could tell me why we're here in Minneapolis? This could be wrong, but Army? Close. We're here to detain and deport illegal immigrants

who have committed crimes. That is literally the first I'm hearing of that. Well, it shouldn't be. Remember, the job ultimately is about keeping America safe from what? This could be wrong, but Don't. Lemon? That is wrong. Yes. It's criminals. Let's recap. What have we learned today? This could be wrong, but you hired a bunch of angry, aggressive guys gave us guns and didn't train us, so this is maybe what you wanted to happen. Oh, come on, man. Don't start thinking now.

Salute to Pete Davidson. You know, Pete has an original podcast on Netflix. I mean, it's a podcast. I don't know what to keep calling a podcast, but it's a podcast on Netflix. I'm going to be on the episode this Friday with him. So a podcast is just what video podcast? Yeah, this video. Oh, got you. Yeah. And y'all are hanging out in the garage, right? Yeah, that's actually real garage.

Yeah, I saw him talk about it on, I think it was Kimmel. He said it, he just sets it up in his real garage with a real cigarette butts and y'all just come over and hang out. Yeah, the first episode came out last week, I believe Machine Gun Kelly's on the first episode, and I'm on the next one. Okay. All right. Listen, y'all, couple alert, couple alerts.

Yes. Comedian Lournell is with Al B. Shaw. Did y'all know that? Yes, we did. You like two or three weeks late. Wait. You said couple alert. I thought you was talking about the last story.

Turn it up. Wait, I printed some pictures for y'all. Turn the picture over that I printed. Turn it over. Oh, no, that's not Lunel. That's Drewski. Yes. That's Drewski.

That's Drewski. That's Drewski. That's a new boot. No, that's his new boo. It's not. I confirmed it last night. I got some MSG sources that Drewskiy is dating. This is Sky Bree.

She used to date us. Jake Paul and she used to date Aiden Ross They're dating I was told that they were very flirty last night They court side That's an expensive date So he's obviously You know what I mean

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It was on Shade Room. I didn't say no, no, no. What are you talking about? Damn, well, for the people who didn't know, You think L. Nguel and Al B.Shoorneux is with Elbe Shaw. All right. Well, that is the latest with Lauren. Let's get to the mix.

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It's Black History Month. Shala, what we doing? Well, you know, every day during Black History Month, my guy, B, puts out a podcast called I didn't know maybe you didn't either. You can go subscribe to it right now on the Black Effect Podcast Network. But today, BDOT is exposing the racist science that was baked into modern schools testing for black students. Check it out.

The bananas weren't the problem. Welcome back, No-It-alls to another episode of the most anticipated podcast in the month of February on the Black Effect Podcast Network, entitled, I Didn't Know. I didn't know. Maybe you didn't either. I'm your host, BDOT. And we'll kick off today's episode with three of the most useless facts you'll never need, never, not a day in life.

Your first useless fact, modern standardized testing comes directly from U.S. Army IQ test that were created by eugenesis. And those are people that believe certain races were genetically superior. Your second useless fact, it was a black scholar named Horace,

man bond. And he dismantled those tests in the 1920s by proving that poor white kids in Arkansas are they scored law on them testing black kids in urban areas. How was that? And your third useless fact by the 1930s, it was some schools claiming that bananas caused kids to fail intelligence test. And guess which kids? Like, did you know that schools was blaming bananas for low IQ scores in the 1930s? Because I didn't. So let me tell you a story about the time America looked at black children,

watched them struggle on tests designed to confuse the hell out of them and said, Must be the bananas. And I'm not exaggerating. Stay with me now. In 1916, a group of psychologists led by Robert M. Yerkes.

He was the president of the American Psychological Association. It created the Army, Alpha, and beta tests. Now, these tests were specifically designed to measure the intelligence of military recruits and helped the Army distinguish those of superior mental ability from those who were mentally inferior. Those are their words, not mine.

But here's the thing. The test wasn't measuring what they knew. It was measuring what they'd been exposed to. Questions about brand names, tennis scoring, luxury items, things that poor kids and rural kids and black kids had never seen. Hell, if I ask you to spell Christian Lubiton or tell me who won the World Cup or the last Masters in order to get a job, you're probably going to be unemployed as hell. But when the black soldiers scored lower, the eugenicist said, see, that's proof.

Carl Brigham, he was one of Yerkes team members. He wrote a book in 1923 called The Study of American Intelligence. I looked it up, you can buy for 25 bucks on Amazon. In that book, he argues that the decline of American intelligence, was due to race mixing and immigration. And he used those army test scores as proof. And then you know what he did? He went on to create the SAT.

Now you let that sink in. But there was a black scholar who saw through it all. Horace, man, fine. And up until this day, the only horace that I had ever acknowledged played for the Chicago Bulls alongside Michael Jordan and wore goggles. He had a twin brother. But this black academic decided to fight suit science with actual science.

Horace, he studied them test scores, really studied them test scores, and he found something that the eugenicists never wanted anybody to see. See, the poor white kids in Arkansas, they score lower than the black kids in the urban area. Then he asked a question that ended careers. All the exponents of intelligence tests prepared to assert that the white population of Arkansas is inherently and racially inferior to the whites of another section of the country. Silence. Yeah, hush-mouth.

It basically showed how absurd and biased them stupid scientific racial arguments are, because Horace proved what we already knew. Them tests wasn't measuring intelligence. They was measuring access, resources, exposure, familiarity, segregation, and opportunity. And you know what's crazy? Even that goofy man Carl Brigham that invented the SAT eventually admitted it. Years later, he called his own work without foundation. But by then, man, the damage had been done.

The tests were in the schools. The policies was in place. The assumptions were baked in. Hell, I think I scored an 860 on my SAT. But Horace Mann Bond? Oh, he went on to become the first black president of Lincoln University. He helped the NAACP build a legal case for Brown versus Board of Education, which we will discuss this season.

And his son, Julian Bond, became the chairman of the NAACP. The apple didn't fall too far from the tree. Speaking of apples, the bananas weren't the problem. The snacks weren't the problem. The children weren't the problem. The test were the problem. They always were.

And I didn't know. Maybe you didn't either. It's time to get up out of here. Solomon, you got a positive note? Yes, I do, man. And it is a fantastic quote. It's an oldie book goodie, but I just want to remind y'all,

I want to remind y'all of this on this Monday morning. Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. That is from the great coach John Wooden, apply that to your life today. We heard that months ago. You should have.

John Wooden said it. He has to coach for UCLA. He said that years ago. You actually should have heard it decades ago. Breakfast club, bitches. You're all finished or y'all done? 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis.

And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King's Senior. It's the true story of protests and rebellion in black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Minnalick Lamumba. Listen to the A building on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze.

Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What if mind control is real? If you can control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka Neurilingual Programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist Dr. Steve Poulter to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name.

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