The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Jenifer Lewis Chimes In On Met Gala Boycott; ‘How Much Fame Do We Need?’ + Tim Ross & Michael Jai White Interview

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Michael Jai White talks his new film Special Op: Rent-A-Cop, controlling your ego, Tyler Perry, and winning the Bruce Lee Award. Tim Ross also joins us to discuss The Missing Peace, surviving sexual assault, healing, and faith vs. fear. Plus, Charlamagne Tha God gives Donkey of the Day to a Florida man arrested in a hate crime assault on a 5-year-old boy. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild.

I mean, it was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with.

And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Boat up, woke up, wake you up. Program your alarm to Power 105.1 on IHartRadio. Good morning, USA. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Charlamina God. Good morning, Jess Kalar.

Is that hilarious? How are you? I am blessed black and highly favorite. Happy to be here. Another day to serve our beautiful listeners. Good morning. I feel like I did that wrong this morning. It's hump day, yo.

Oh, you're right. Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is? Hump day! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. How y'all feel out there? I feel blessed black and highly favorite. Happy to be here another day to serve our beautiful listeners.

Good morning. Good morning. How are you, Jess? I'm good. I'm good. I had, I just want to say, shout out to Fort Lauderdale, the city of Fort Lauderdale. I had my show at the Lillian S. Wells Theater on Friday.

It was amazing. I never performed in Fort Lauderdale. I always go to Miami, but Broward County showed me so much love. And then my book is making an impact. Yo, so at the meet and greet, I had women, my female fans, bringing their baby daddies. And they weren't together. Like, it was other co-parenting teams out there, like me and Rome. What are trying to be, you know, like me and Rome.

and a lot of what I was getting was the men was telling me like, yo, we listen to the book, because a lot of people are getting an audio book. They love it. I read it in my accent and everything. And the men are like, I love that you are taking accountability

and that you're not just throwing it all on Rome why y'all didn't make it as a couple. Well, you have to take accountability because Rome is going to let everybody know that you absolutely need to be held accountable. Absolutely. I just loved hearing that from my male fans. And they weren't fans until Friday.

a lot of them because a lot of them didn't even think I was funny until they came out and they started a show. That was another thing that I was getting to. I didn't think it was that funny, but yeah, you funny. And we love your book. So I appreciate you for taking accountability as a woman because a lot of women don't do that. I love that.

If I can count how many times I heard that from a guy at my show, man, I'd be talking all day. I love that. That's good. We need more women to take accountability before the UFOs come. What? Because I don't know if you know, several Christian leaders and pastors

in the United States of America have claimed to be in quietly briefed by intelligence officials to prepare their congregations for imminent government-led UFO disclosers that could challenge traditional biblical beliefs. Okay? So basically what I feel like is they created us under the guise of God and where just a bunch of defective models humans are that are about to be recalled.

But that's bad. Yes. Oh, my God. That's what you get to being defective. Okay? I'm supposed to know I'm defected. You had plenty of opportunity to get right, but no.

Okay? No, no, no, no. Now, we got a great show for you today. Michael Jai White will be joining us. Oh. Yeah, you know Michael Jai White. He'll beat your ass. He don't want to, though.

Okay, he don't want to. He's got quite a few movies out. He's one of he's got out right now called a Special Op Renta Cop. That's on Amazon Prime right now. But he'll be here to talk to us about that and much more. And Tim Ross, man. Tim Ross, man.

Tim Ross has a new book. I love Tim Ross. You know, this is mental health awareness month. Yesterday, we had Shanty Dawes on us to talk about silence to shame. Today, Tim Ross will be talking about the missing peace. And by peace, I mean, P-E-A-C-E, okay, peace of mind. So he'll be here to talk to us about that as well. And is meek-milly birthday, y'all.

It is meek-Mill's birthday. Shout out the Phillies own Mick Mills. So we got any meek-mills? Oh, yeah. Let's start off the show with one of the greatest intros of all time. Why don't we? Let's do that. When we come back, Mimi Brown got front-page news.

It's the world's most dangerous morning show the breakfast club. Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show the breakfast club. Shalameeneguio, Jets Hilarious. Invi will be here any second. But it's time for front page news. Salute to the Detroit, Pistons, Detroit. What up, though? They beat the Cavs last night, 11 to 101,

and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Lakers 108 to 90. I don't even know why we prolonging this thing, man. I mean, I just let the O.K.C. Thunder repeat again this year. Philadelphia 76 is played the Knicks tonight at 7, and the Timberwoods played the Spurs at 930, both on ESPN. Mimi Brown. Good morning, Shar. How you doing, Jess?

Hey, we're. What we're talking about in front page news, Mimi. Well, let's get right to it. So we're starting this morning with Republicans in the Senate pushing a massive new immigration plan that would pour tens of billions of dollars into ice and border control. So they're doing this while setting aside new money for that White House ballroom that's tied to President Trump. The proposal, it totals roughly $72 billion with about $38 billion to high. more ICE agents, lawyers, and support staff, and another $26 billion for customs and border protection. Now, the legislation, it would move through Congress using a process called reconciliation,

meeting Republicans could pass it with a simple majority vote instead of needing Democrat support. But this morning, Democrats, they are zeroing in on another part of that plan that's $1 billion that Republicans want to set aside for that new ballroom pot project tied to the White House. Let's listen to Congressman Adam Schiff. A guy who is funding his campaign to a tune of over $150 million with profits made from oil companies, from helping fund private for-profit prisons that are detaining immigrants in California, has a real short memory span of how to make sure this place works. I continue to enjoy the support of health care sectors throughout California, doctors, nurses. I've got the endorsement of nurses as well.

and I will continue to fight to make sure everyone has access to good quality health care in California, as I proved it when I was Secretary of Health and Human. Congress, Okay, that wasn't Adam Schiff, but let me tell you what Adam Schiff did say. Adam Schiff said that the president, he promised that that money would be paid for by private donors and himself, not the American public, and now the president is asking for taxpayers to fund his ballroom project with their own money, into the tune of $1 billion. How about he says,

F the ballroom and the money he needs for ICE, use that money that you're going to use for the ballroom to ice, because, boy, when it comes to ICE, they're some begging ass folks. Ice need to start to go fund me or something. Like, every time we turn around, they're asking for money for ICE. Ice need to get a job. Exactly, exactly.

And I believe this particular bill would fund ICE through 2029. And so, you know, the bill, it specifically says that this money, though, is earmarked for U.S. Secret Service security upgrades tied to the construction of the ballroom. And it does specify that it can't be used for parts of the project. But Democrats, they are not buying that. That's just kind of how they're placing it in the bill. And they're just, they said that they're trying to get it past the American people.

And that money will be used toward the ballroom if they get this legislation passed. We don't want to pay for the ballroom. Just like we don't want to pay for these unnecessary wars. These are our taxpayer dollars. But also, what happened to the private funding for the ballroom? Yeah, exactly. And that's what a lot of people are asking. but they're also saying,

Shar, this is, this is, this is the wrong timing. Like families, they're being squeezed with gas prices, rising grocery bills,

mounting costs of the war in Iran, and our lawmakers are, they're debating billions for immigration and White House upgrades, right? Yes. Right now is currently the highest gas prices in nearly four years.

Four-fifty a gallon. Exactly. And meanwhile, California, the governor's race, it is heating up with voting. underway. Candidates are going directly after now who they see as a frontrunner

U.S. Health and Human Service Secretary Javier Bacera. So last night's debate is centered on health care, the rising cost of living, and Bacera, he defended his push to expand Medicaid coverage for all moving toward a version that is called Medicare for all, but rivals, including

billionaire Tom Steyer, they question whether he's done enough to lower costs for struggling families. Now candidates, they also clash on a proposed billionaire tax, which is expected to be on the November ballot here in California. That's a one-time 5% tax on California billionaires that would

fund health care, education, and social programs. Steyer, who was a billionaire himself, says he is the only candidate who was on stage last night, who backed that. But the biggest moment of the night, it probably came between Riverside County Sheriff, Chad Bianco, and former Los Angeles Mayor

Antonio Virigosa. They had a heated exchange over Bianco's ties to the far-right Oathkeepers Group. Let's listen to that. Just a follow up on what you were just saying there, and you said you're a proud oathkeeper. Are you referring to the group? I have sworn an oath three times to defend my constitution. Yes.

And everybody that wants to like, again, lie and emotionally get all spun up about the oathkeeper organization. I just would, before you do that, and I know none of you have, I want you to go read the mission statement of the oathkeeper mission statement. I saw them on CNN attacking the Capitol. And the ACLU. I saw a politician molesting kids. Does that mean you molest kids? Damn. Exactly.

Don't pull those stupid statements out and expect to not be called out. You have no reason to be- There is absolutely. You're not qualified to be governor of California. Geez. I got chippy. I'm looking at what is their mission statement exactly? The one I see says that their first responders

who pledged to defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Absolutely. That is their mission statement. But we all did see them, you know, storm the Capitol on January 6th. because they thought their election would be in stolen. Exactly. They thought the Constitution would be in threatened.

Yes. Which is if that's really your mission statement, then you should be storming the Capitol again right now because the Constitution is definitely being threatened. Yeah. So that was at Heated Exchange. Candidists, they are back on stage tonight for another debate with less than a month ago here in California to the primary,

which is June 2nd. So coming up at 7, though, we have new developments in that mysterious death of the former influencer, Ashley Robinson. Her fiance is now speaking out for the first time. We'll tell you what he had to say in the next hour. All right.

Everybody else, get it off your chest. 800-585-105.1. If you need the vent, call us up right now. Maybe we're driving to work, and the person in front of you fell asleep in front of the police station. I guess it was too much Cinco de Mayo. That's heroin. You passed out in front of the police station. That's sicko to heroin.

The police, we were knocking on the door. He wouldn't wake up. The police had to come and put him to the side, and he's going to have a long morning. But is he alive? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, he was live. He passed out.

You could tell he seemed like he was a little intoxicated. Jeez. Same reason why you didn't come to work yesterday. No, no, no, that is a lie. 8005-85-105-1. Get it off your chest. Call us up right now. It's the breakfast club.

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800-585-105-1. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, who's this? Hello, sir. Hello, sir. This is Dan and Amanda from the dog floor. Hey, what's up, bro? We get it off your chest.

Good morning. So, yeah, I was going to get off my chest. These gas prices, man. They need to go down soon. Very soon. Yeah, they said they've been the highest prices in 50 years. Yeah. I saw 40 years.

40 years and 40 years. Four. Four? I saw four. Highest level in nearly four years. I thought I seen 40. I had a 2017 Honda Civic. It used to take me $25 a week until 11.

And I was going up to about 45. Damn. Jeez. Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, y'all have a blessed day. God bless you all. Yeah, the average price for a gallon of regular on letter gas across the country

jumped to 451 on yesterday. The highest has been since July 17th, 2022, according to gas, buddy. No, four years. I thought I heard 40, but four years, because 40 don't even sound right, but four years, it's ridiculous. It is way too high,

and I could imagine all the truck drivers. I was about to say that. I feel bad for all the truck drivers, man, that diesel ain't no joke. Well, you're married to a truck driver, so you understand. Well, Hello, who's this?

A little different than your house. Every chance you get, what a. This is, This time from Omaha. What's happening? Hey, what up, Charlemagne, what up. Jess, what up, Envy?

Good morning. Hey, what up. Hey, man. I really got to tell you all, Nebraska is rigging the election here. It is happening. It's real. Oh, tell us more.

His name is William Forbes. He's running under a Democratic ticket. He is not a Democrat. He is a Republican. He has voted for Trump. every single time all around. You can't even find a record where he's ever voted Democrat. They are trying to send a Republican guy, a Senate to the Senate,

and he is a Republican, and he's running under Democrat. His name is William Ford. Everybody in Nebraska needs to learn his name, so they don't go in the ballot booth and just put Democrat and just fill in his name. That don't need to happen. He is not a Democrat. He is a Republican.

He is going to push a Republican narrative. If you even look at his campaign slogan, he's like bringing morality back to the Democratic Party or some shit like that. Oh, my bad, my bad. Some stuff like that. Well, I mean, that's not a bad slogan. I mean, bringing morality back.

We do need to bring some morality back. Yeah, but it's talking about isn't what it is. He's talking about some, like, not even helping out the people who were born here, birthright citizenship. He's not talking about women's rights. He's not talking about any of the things that we're really push the Democratic Party forward.

Like, women's rights. Like, if you are molested or raped by your family, you should go and be able to get an abortion, period. I'm sorry. I'm pro-choice as well. I agree with that. Right. Like, that's just what it is. But this guy, he's not a Democrat, or he's not a Democrat. He's a Republican.

I'm going to look more into that. look at his voting record. I'm looking at a Nebraska examiner right now and it says Nebraska U.S. Senate race filled with alleged plants. I'm going to look into that. Get it off your chest. 800-585-105-105-1.

If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. I'm telling. I'm telling. Hey, what you doing, man? I'm calling you. This is your time to get it off your chest.

Whether you're mad or blessed. 800-585-105-1. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, who's this? Is Nick out of Itty Bitty Planned City Nick what is that Speak English What did that place

Speak English please sir Oh that's it That's a Florida I just want to say Florida Because I don't want you to think I'm crazy Well too late The way you introduced your city It was crazy

I didn't say Eddie Bitty Titty City What you say? Itty Bitty Plant City Oh 80 Bitty Plant City Yeah it's a small city Nick close to Tampa Okay okay

What's happening though I want to get my homeboy A birthday shout out Dooley, I know you're listening. Happy birthday, boy. Hey, you're going to blow his candle out later? Say again? You're going to blow his candle out later?

Wow. No, Trave going to do it for me, probably. But I want to also say rest in peace to my boy, Javonte Sykes. He passed recently. Rest and peace, condolences to him and his family, man, sending his whole family and friends healing energy. Absolutely. Yes, sir.

Ever since he passed, I've been communicating with a lot of my classmates, and we've been linking up a whole lot more often because life is short. I just want to remind everybody, too, man. These companies don't care about you. Take that time off and spend it with your family and friends. Absolutely, right. Thank you, brother.

You're never left. Hello, who's this? This is Brandon. Brandon, what's up? Good morning, off your chest. Hey, first off, I want to give a big shout out. Oh, first of all, y'all. Good morning, young man.

I want to give a shout out to my son for passing this fire. firefighter exam. Hey, congrats to him. He passed his firefighter exam. He also passed his National Registry, EMT. And like I said, he's only 17 right now.

Oh, dope. Dole. What are you calling from? Calling from Maryland. Okay. Secondly, if it's okay, I throw my business out there. Yes, you can.

All right. Talk about my voice. Yes, sir. You sound like you're about to say, 10, John. Yo. Hey, so I called before. For, Sharma, you weren't there the last time I called, but I called about my mobile bartending business.

A mobile bartending, okay. I remember. Yeah. It's heavy-made mobile bartending. I got a website now, heavy-made bartender.com. Okay. Go there, fill out the booking form. Was business booming yesterday for St. Go de Mayo? Nah, I wish it was, but I got videos for y'all to check out.

You know, you can check out the social media pages that on Facebook and Instagram is heavy-made. with bartending and on TikTok which I like the most is heavy to bartender. Go check me out. Man, it was supposed to be bumping yesterday. Why you ain't pull up in an area where it was a lot of bars at? With a lot of tequila shots.

Yeah. I can't just roll up on somebody and, you know, give them the book and get to throw me out. Just you already told me to come pull up to the show one time. Yeah. Do you cold switch?

Y'all going to throw me out when I get there. No, not if you got some good drinks. Yeah, if you got good drinks, no. We can't throw you out. You can pull up. I'm telling you, I'm a pull up. Don't do me like Varnel did Martin now.

Otherwise, I'm going to bust in that singing Jodice. Your voice too deep to sing Jodacy, sir. Goodbye, brother. They didn't have no bass in Jodic. Get it off your chest, 800-585-105. What did you do? How did you celebrate, Shingo-Dom-Mah? With her Mexican husband and his first of her in-laws.

I don't know if they went out, did tacos, they go to go to balls. That's every day. No, we did it. No, we did it. You know, I want a taco Tuesday was heaven for y'all. That's why she hasn't been in. We had to take two days off.

No, I did not have to. I'm shocked you're in now. So what did y'all do? Did you go like Margaritaville? No, we didn't celebrate Cinco de Mayo. We didn't. We didn't have no drinks or anything. You wanted to believe that.

That's a lot. You got a whole half of Mexican household on a taco Tuesdays Cinco de Mayo and not one celebration happened? Chipotle. We had a taco. We didn't have a taco and we had, no, not Chipotle. And we did have drinks at home. We didn't go out to celebrate. And that's not why I wasn't here.

Like, stop playing with me. When y'all, y'all, you go shots, what y'all do? Blahriba! No, we don't. We just take shots like regular black people. Oh. But there's only one regular black person in that. That was true.

I'm confused. Anyway, get to the next. All right. We have the ladies with Lori coming up. What we're talking about? Good morning. Yes, we do. Hey, Joe.

So, yeah, there's more celebrities joining in on to Raji P. Hintz inside of this whole Jeff Basso's Met Gallo thing. So we're going to get into that. And I know y'all don't love the list, but we got a list, a ranking list that we are going to talk about this morning. Complex just dropped the new one. Y'all ain't going to. Y'all let me for this one, though. Yes.

We'll get into that next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart. And I'm Catherine Clark.

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This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. The worst singer in the group. The worst? Yeah. Me. Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation.

The yard birds, right? That's the name. The Harvard Yardt. They're open. Do you have a name suggestion? We're open. Since you guys are middle-aged. One erection.

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You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw,

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Each episode, we pick you here. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for Blank. black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get to the latest with Lauren. Yeah. I'm not dumbing myself down. I'm being myself. Take me through that. I'm the homeguard that knows a little bit about everything and everything.

The little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you. Take me through that. Take me through that. Who she's going? The latest with Lauren Olson. Set me through that. On the breakfast club. L.L. Coobe. Talk to me.

All righty, y'all. So we have some Met Gala leftovers. People are still having a conversation about whether the celebrity should have attended or not. Now jumping in the conversation is Ms. Jennifer Lewis. She posted a video yesterday. Let's take a listen. My girlfriend called and said, Jennifer, they showed up anyway. I said, but they cut.

nearly 30,000 jobs and gutted the Washington Post. They showed up anyway, postering and posing, hoping to be the most. They cut one billion in funding for children's nutrition. And there they all were vying for the next position. We're at war. And so, many people are dying? I said to my girlfriend, tell me your line. How much fame do we need y'all? I love Jennifer Lawrence. I mean, she's not wrong. Jennifer Lewis. Jennifer Lewis, I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I always wonder, like, same thing I said yesterday. I just be having thoughts and questions. I just feel like if you really want to make an impact, it has to be consistent all across the board because Jeff Basel was the co-chair for the MetGallel this year,

right? He wasn't one of the co-chairs. He was one of the lead sponsors. Lead sponsor. Yes. Oh, I thought he was the coach here. No, but either way, that's a one-off. Yeah, like a, you mean like... It's just for this year. Yeah.

So if you are really against bas-sos, are you going to cut all things Amazon? No packages delivered. Cancel your Washington Post subscriptions. Cancel your Amazon Prime subscription. If you're an actor or actress in Amazon studios and MGM ask you to do a film, are you going to say no?

These are all questions that will be asked. It's the easy ones to boycott, right? Do the more difficult ones that really, really affect you. I'm not telling nobody to do nothing. Do what you feel like you should do. I'm just saying these are all questions. that will be asked when you take these kind of stands. That's all I'm saying.

Amazon Prime is hard to not have. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. Because I feel like these type of stands take strategy, not emotion, right? Yeah. And also, you know, just I just want to remind you all that every single major social media CEO supported Donald Trump, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman. Of course, Elon Musk, but folks, it's still on IG and Facebook.

And we're still all over X, still driving Tesla. You want to know what made me laugh this week? watching black people call for the cancellation of black people who they feel might have indirectly helped Trump win by not giving full-throated endorsements of Kamala. They were calling for the cancellation of those people on platforms like X. Elon Musk donated $250 million to Donald Trump's campaign and use X to amplify MAGA messaging and suppress voices who opposed MAGA. But instead of boycotting him, you're using his platform to boycott other black people? Yeah, they did it. That's not going to step backwards to me.

Very much so. But, I mean, I thought her comments were worth sharing still. Oh, for sure, for sure. Yeah. And I know, me and Jennifer Lewis are supposed to talk today, so we may have some more there because I did have some follow-up questions kind of in a sentiment of what you think. It's just all conversation. Like, what is the strategy around the, you know, the sentiment?

That's it. All of these questions will be asked when you make stands like this. 100%. Now, yesterday, Complex dropped their most powerful names in hip-hop media for 2026. and you guys are sitting amongst two of them. Okay. All right. Yes.

So Charlamine the guy came in at number five, top five on the list. I was ranked number 22, which is my favorite number, by the way. I was ranked number 22. Because my birthday is 11, 22, 11, I just like the number. 11 plus 11 and 22. It just, that's like a number. You know how people say angel numbers. When you see that number, it feels like you're in alignment.

That's how 22 is for me. I thought because you built like a douce-thusible. Oh, no. No, absolutely not. Wow. Wow. Number 22. I love that.

Angel numbers. Yes. Whenever your hairline is shaped correctly, you just feel like you could just say anything you want up here. I got that fresh shape. But yes, yeah. You deserve to be on that list for sure. Thank you.

One of the things I thought that was so fired. You should have been hired, to be honest with you. Honestly, my opinion, you too, sharp. I think Charlemagne should have been number one on this list. Honestly. No, no, no, no. Academic should have been number one. On the hip-hop list?

No, I think that you should be number one. I thought it was just media. You should be number one. I think academics should have been number two and I'm not mad at Joe but in that number three. And the only reason why I said it is I understand why you probably are saying academics

but I feel like building out the business and there's a lot of people on this list who this year have focused on building out the business around their brands. Nobody on this list is doing that like you. Well, that's not a hip-hop business list. Still, but if you're talking about impact, if you're talking about impact

and they talk about virality, impact, things of that nature. He never cares. I'm in the Radio Hall of Fame already. You got to see how it's ranked. Like how are they picking this list? What is it based off of? I can tell you what it's based off of.

So they based the list off of, first of all, they talk about the fact that this year we didn't have major narratives from like music at all. So these people on this list contributed to making major narratives. They say, you know, this is based on people who don't just talk about the news, but they break news. They create narrative. Oh, here you go.

They, you know, are consistently viral. They shape the broader discourse of conversations and moments in hip-hop. And this includes writers for the first. first time. Fraser Thorpe is on that's the journalist that did the Jay-Z sit down as well. But it includes writers for the first time and some of the, you know, people who've had conversations about the biggest

moments in rap, including traditional media people and magazine-led rollouts, like people who contributed to that. Right, so how the hell Neon get on there? That's the stream of dude. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He does like media now. He talks to a lot of rappers, though. Oh, okay.

He does it. I've seen it with French, but like that's, I didn't. didn't know like that was a thing for him I thought no he does a lot of artists I want to make sure we shout out effective immediately Gina views and DJ head are they also made list drop on the coupons for Rob Markman made the list for Rob Markman Fat Joe and Jada made the list for their show as well too

I think Wayno should have been on this list Wayno should have definitely been on that list as well a hundred percent when I saw Rob Markman I was like Wayno should have been on there as well too I highlighted some other people too I don't know if it did a big bank Big Bank oh big bag dropping the food boat who I said I missed. I highlighted people I wanted to make sure we picked up. I mean, the usual suspect are on here, Gilly and Wallow.

Gillian Wallow, too. I saw some people having conversations about the fact that they weren't super viral this year. But to me, when you talk about real impact, they're consistently focused on actually helping people through touching them through their platform. And that's a different type of impact. I've been doing radio for 28 years, yo. Okay. I'm in the Radio Hall of Fame already. Yo, you don't need to.

Thank you. He never. And I don't. Like, you know. It's so crazy. He never cares. I really don't. First time ballot in the Radio Hall of Fame, too.

That's what I really don't. Listen. Thank you, but yeah, it is what it is. It's just the list. I know you wouldn't care, but some of us are excited about, you know. No, I'm happy for y'all. I really am for you. They listened to you, because last year you called him out.

Yes, I think Nile should have been on this list. Oh, Gaila should have been on the radar. Gabe is on the radar. Yes, he's on there. No, Gabe is on the radar. Oh, he's on there. So, yeah. So congratulations.

Congratulations to everybody who made that list this year. Keep doing the work. We know it's not easy. I got to wrap now, but I'll be back. You got to be consistent. No, but true, that's really what that's about. Like, you want to be consistent. Like, you know, it's cool to be on there now.

You want to be on there 10 years from that. Yeah, 100%. You want to be on there 15 years from now. Cameron, too, I want to mention. If the list matter to you. If the list matter. If the list matter. Yes, yes.

If they matter to you. Yes. Absolutely. All right. Well, we're going to wrap this, ladies. In the next hour, I'll be back. And we'll have a conversation about Nick Cannon and people discussing how he does business, which kind of started or happened here on the Breakfast Club.

No, it did not. That started on wild and out. Don't bring that mess over here. We further the conversation here. We're going to further it some more. Oh, boy. All right. We'll get into that next.

Everybody else, we got front page news. So don't go anywhere as the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's D.J. N.V. J. Salomey Nagy. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back in some front page news.

Start off with some quick sports last night that thunder beat the Lakers 108 to 90. Pistonsons beat the K. Cavaliers 11101. Tonight, the Knicks take on the 76s. The Spurs take on the Timberwolves. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, Mee. Jash Jarleneen, how y'all doing this Wednesday,

Mead. Hey. Good morning. So we start this hour where former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green is once again speaking out against President Trump. So this feud goes back to the Epstein Files. Green, who was once one of Trump's most loyal

allies. She broke with the president after she signed that discharge position to force the release of the files. Now speaking in Texas over the weekend, Green is revealing what she says happened when she went to the president for help after there were many, many death threats to her family. Let's listen. He said his friends would get hurt if we release the obscene files. He said, Marjorie, these are good people. These are people you know at Marlago. And then I got a truth social, dropped on my head like a nuclear bomb, where the president called.

called me a traitor. But then, guess what happened? I started getting death threats. But it was the one that came in and they kept coming on my son, my youngest. We're going to put a bullet in his head. And then I heard back from Donald Trump. And I've saved these text messages. I'd probably get put in jail if I released him publicly, but I saved them where Donald Trump proceeded to tell me that it was my fault and that I deserve it because I was a traitor to him. That is our president of the United States. Well, that is disturbing. They said they wanted to kill one son and they

want to kill another one. Yeah. I don't think they meant it like that. That's what she just said. That's correct. I would say, I would say, I would say, he has murderous ass people. What the hell is going on, yo? Yeah. I don't think she meant it like that. Yeah, she didn't mean it like that. How y'all know? She should have paused.

MFST files nasty. How y'all that's not how she made to do that? That was a very particular choice of words, me. I just may come for her son. Like, no, no. No, no. on her son and kill him. That's crazy.

I'm just taking her on the word she said, maybe, that you just played. Listen, I don't think she mentioned like that. She also mentioned that she asked, you know, Cash Patel, the FBI director for help, J.D. Bans for help. And, you know, she didn't hear back from them.

And that was basically what the president told her the White House. They are pushing back, Colleen, a quitter, who is pathetically trying to stay relevant. Well, what did she do to them to make them trade? on her, I mean, because she was a loyal, like,

loyal person to them. So, like, what did she do to make them not like her? She crossed over with the Democrats and she signed a discharge petition so that the Epstein files would come out, although we're still waiting for all them to still. But, yes, she joined the

other side, and she's been fiercely loyal to President Trump before that, and so now after she did that, he called her a traitor and told her that he was going to, she was going to hurt his friends at Marilago. And she's just been called Trump out on a lot of his BS, which if you actually do care about America, regardless of what party you're in, you should be doing. Yes, yes. Now she has definitely switched it up and is definitely calling President Trump out more and more and more.

And now to an update on Ashley Robinson, that's the influencer whose mysterious death in Zanzibar continues to raise questions nearly a month later. So Robinson known as Ashley Renee online, she was laid to rest yesterday in New Jersey and family and loved ones. gathered for her funeral following her sudden death while vacationing overseas with her fiancee, Joe McCann, the 31-year-old, she had traveled to Tanzania to celebrate her birthday and had just gotten engaged days before she was found unconscious at that luxury resort villa in Zanzibar. Now that all happened back in April. So now for the first time since her death, McCann, he is speaking out publicly. He posted an emotional statement online calling Robinson his best friend and saying that her death has left him devastated and in shock.

Now, this case gained international attention after Tanzanian authorities, they revealed the couple. They had some sort of dispute before Robinson's death and were separated into two separate rooms shortly before she was found unresponsive. And police, they later questioned her fiancé and a witness, and they temporarily withheld his passport during the investigation. Now, authorities say he has not been charged or accused of a crime. And at this point, you guys, it's still unclear whether he has been allowed to return to the United States as this investigation continues. But her family says they are still waiting for that final autopsy results and answers about what happened to her in her final hours. So I'm assuming he wasn't at the funeral. So we don't know if he was back over here.

He was not at the funeral. It's so sad that with so much going on the world, you forget about these cases because I totally forgot about this young lady. And even the other woman, the other woman from the talk show, her mother was missing. Savannah Guthrie. Yeah, Gunthery. Like, we never heard nothing else with that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We still don't have any answers on that. And I know what on that case, I mean, there's a lot of finger pointing being done still, to this day, on that case. And so we'll continue to follow Ashley's case and see what happens. And hopefully her family can get some answers. And switching now, the late show with Stephen Colbert. It is entering its final stretch after more than 30 years on late night TV.

And during a recent interview with President Obama, host Stephen Colbert, had some fun with what comes next. Let's listen. All right. I'm looking for a new gig soon. Uh-huh. And a lot of people tell me I should run for president. Well, you certainly have the law.

Thank you very much. You have the hair. Well, for the record, I think it's a stupid idea. How dumb do you think it is for people to say that I should run for president? Well, you know, the bar has changed. That is true, at times, subterranean. I don't have to limbo so low. I put it this way.

I think that you could perform significantly better than some folks that we've seen. All right. Yeah. I have great confidence in that. Thank you very much. Is that an endorsement? It was not.

It still pains me that somebody like President Barack Obama can't speak straight. Like, why can't need you to say, yes, you would perform better? than Donald Trump. Like, what do you mean? There's some people we've seen. What is, heck, why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Yeah. Yeah, still towing that fine line there. For what? Yeah. You know, at a time like this. They're probably really cool.

That's the crazy thing. I don't know about that one. They probably cool. Oh, Barack and Trump? Who knows? I mean, they did look cool that president called his funeral. They're not cool. I don't know.

I think so. They look cool. They look cool. They're not cool. They're not cool. basketball on a Tuesday. They ain't not cool. Yeah, I'm with you, M.B.

I don't think so. I quote the great George calling. I think that this is one big club and we ain't in it. I just think Obama is a politician through and through. Yeah, that's what I believe. I think he's a politician regardless, and he's always going to say the politically correct thing. And that's why we're in the position that we're in right now.

Because so many politicians want to continue to say the politically correct thing instead of saying the honest of God true. Yep, that is true as well. And Stephen Colbert's his final episode, the late show with Stephen Colbert is scheduled to end on May 21st in a couple weeks. So, you know, lots of memories that I'm sure he will celebrate as the time gets near for that. And that's your front page news, you guys. That's all I have today.

I'm Mimi Brown. Follow me at Mimi Brown TV. And for more stories, follow the Black Information Network. Please, Mimi. Thank you. All right. When we come back, Tim Ross will be joining us. His new book, The Missing Peace is out right now.

we're going to talk to Pastor Tim Ross, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody is DJ NV. Jess hilarious. Shalameen the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lawlerosa is here as well. We got a special guest in the building.

Yes, indeed. Brother Tim Ross. He has a new book that's out right now. The Missing Peace. Good morning. Good morning. Not just the missing piece. I love the subtitle.

How to be held together when you're falling apart. I think that's a great conversation to have during this mental health away in this month. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I'm so grateful to be here with you. Thank you so much. How are you feeling, first and foremost? I feel good, man.

Good. Yeah, I'm good. Do you feel peace this morning? Much peace. Okay. Yeah, I'm chilling. What's the biggest lie I people believe about having peace that's actually keeping them stuff? Probably that money is going to get you peace or marriage is going to get you peace or the right zip code is going to get you peace or promotion is going to get you peace or a platform is going to get you peace.

All of those are temporary. It'll give you a good dopamine hit and make you feel secure, but it's not going to last. Peace has to be something that. that is cultivated and settled in from the inside out, not from the outside in. You talk about holding yourself together, right? Is it okay to fall apart, though? Oh, for sure.

Is it okay to let things get to your lowest? And I always say when you get that low, just sitting it for a little bit. Absolutely. Yeah, so there's a misconception that if you have peace, that means you have the absence of turbulence. You have the absence of struggle. I contend that you can have peace and be angry.

You can have peace and be sad. You can have peace and be at the lowest state of grief. I lost my father two years ago. And thank you. I appreciate it. And that was my hero. Okay, Charles Edward Ross was like my hero, hero. And so I was grieving, but still peaceful.

I missed him. His absence was looming at the time. but I wasn't in despair because I had peace on the inside. I was watching you preach on Sunday at Seeds of Greatness, and you talked about the book of Philippines and how those letters were written from prison. So it's like in the midst of the chaos, right? What has been something for you that has felt like, you know, that prison,

but like you've had to reteach yourself how to find that piece to write those letters in the midst of it? Yeah, so I've had a lot of loss in my life. So I've had a lot of people die that I've, love. My brother Miles was killed in a car accident September 17th of 2004. That was probably the deepest, darkest despair. That's why I had to give to old girl. Shanti Dawes. Yeah, silence of shame because I've been at that point. The four months that I was depressed after Miles's death was like the darkest season I had ever been in. You was young, you had to be

early 20s. Yeah, yeah. I was late 20s actually. I was about, I was 29. He would have turned 28 in November. So I had my dad's revolver and I was like I can't I don't want to go on. It's not that I didn't believe I can go on. I didn't want to without him. We were 17 months apart. That's like my best friend. And after I came out of that I was like oh I almost a believe I almost believed a lie and did something permanent based on a feeling that was temporary. And when you can navigate out of that you realize okay i can't go back to that again yeah but emotion doesn't stop right yeah so in real time you still are getting to that place where your emotion is clouding what's actually happening yeah what's the talk through then where you're not getting back to that place of like letting it all

kind of take everything away yeah so i think the talk through has to be first of all you can't talk by yourself you can't talk in a silo um something that i write about in the book you have to break the silence. Whatever, whatever you can't put into words is going to choke you. Silence isn't golden after all. Silence is not golden after all. So one of the synthesis that I've come out of this in the 28 years that I've been in therapy is whatever doesn't come up and out of your mouth through words will come up and out of your body through actions. And what you can't actually speak out, you will act out. That's why I talk so much, man. You think that's the reason?

I think so. That's what I got to say it. Yeah, no, I'm the same way. I've always been that way this. I don't like talking behind people back. Like, I got to say it to the person. Yeah, for sure. Yes. So I got sexually abused when I was eight. Did you?

Yeah. At eight? Eight years old. Wow, bro. Yeah, so it was an older teenage boy that lived across the street. It wasn't a boy, though. It was an older woman. Understood.

It doesn't matter. It was still sex. It doesn't. I don't know. Yeah. That was one of them think you should not spoke. You just wanted to go on record. You should have not smoked that one.

I mean, I'm not laughing. But he's so, he was so, clear, I'd already bond with you. He didn't bond with you. Yeah, he was like, oh, yeah, he put your in the silo real quick. But I had the other gender. You're right.

I'm going to be, and she was older. I hate this guy. Go ahead. I'm sorry, because he, because it was a bond at first. No, no, no. No, no. I was mine. I just want to make the record clear.

That's all. Let me do it. But for who? Who did you make the record clear for it? For the people that's going to clip it. That's all. Okay. That's all.

That's all. So you're going to leave me out here. We both have some ambiguity until you wanted to go your own way. Dude didn't say, he said, sorry. He didn't say, he would say, he was like, no, that wasn't my case. Tim added the gender to it. I didn't think the gender matter either way. He added the gender to it.

You know what? Because it's a part of my whole story. Got you guys. And it is something that so many men go through that I don't want to leave it out. to identify with the men who will never speak up on this and it's killing them. Okay, so that happened to me at 8, but I didn't share it with my parents until I was 19.

Why not? Do you know at the time, in my mind, Envy, I knew my dad would have killed him and my brother would have buried the body. Wow, that's rude. And I was 8. So I look at 8-year-olds, and I'd be like, how was I thinking that at 8?

but I was so afraid of blowing up my life and I was projecting the actions of adults and so I was actually protecting my abuser and protecting my family at the same time. Was your dad mad at you when you finally told him? No. Really? No.

Actually, so here's a story. My mom actually caught me watching porn at 19, 2 o'clock in the morning. And being the woman that she is, she went straight to her room, hit her knees and started praying. So I'm embarrassed, and this is 90s porn dog, like this is VHS in a VCR porn, right? This ain't flip up on the screen. You know what I'm saying?

You can just swipe right. Yeah, yeah, you're like, oh, I'm looking at my app. You got to run poison. Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? So I go in my mom's room and I tell her, I said, hey, mom, I don't want you to think I'm nasty. I don't want you to think I'm a pervert, but I got abused when I was eight. So the eight-year-old was in a 19-year-old body and finally got to tell Mommy where it

The profound thing about that moment is my mom contained me, held space for me, woke my younger brother up who was abused by the same dude. And then my dad who was working at the post office at night, he had to come home. So in this one night, what should have been like hella embarrassing and like full of shame. Feel healing. Sounds healing. Dude, I woke up the next morning and I felt like a 2,000 pound slab of concrete came off my chest. And I'm, he said your brother too? My brother got abused by the same few.

Did y'all know? Did y'all ever talk about it? So, so I found out, um, I found out he got abused by bro, um, uh, when I was 15. He went to jail on an unrelated charge. So when he came out, we were going to kill him. And like, we ain't assassins. You know what I'm saying? This is like, teenagers like, let's just kill the, you know, did us dirty. Because I, I think I was more hurt when I found it happened to him than it happened

to me. So, like, we just got the Ginsoo knives out, out of, out of the, out of the, drawer and and they had like a welcome home party for him and we were like come out into the street and i've said this once before and i had some dudes um uh think that i was like out of my mind but i i couldn't start sticking him until like i knew he knew why he was getting stuck you know what i mean like i didn't i had to look him in the eye like you know what you did right and i couldn't see it in his eyes now whether it was real there or not i wouldn't be sitting with y'all right now because I've been doing time

and probably would have never left LA. You want to want him to know why this is happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? If I just start carving you up and you just like, I don't understand. You know what I mean? Like, I had enough decency to be like,

you need to know what you're doing. But I didn't just do it to y'all, I'm sure. Oh, no, dude. You know how I stopped? My older brother found him with the next door neighbor. Oh, wow. And my fears at 8 were confirmed because my older brother almost killed him.

So I'm like, if this is where you reacting over the neighbor, you wouldn't be here right now if you knew it happened to me. So that level of silence with a whole neighborhood of boys, when I came out of that at 19, I was like, I'm never going to have a secret again as long as I live. I always say that the black community, we do ourselves no favor by keeping secrets. Not at all. Especially black family. Absolutely. And a lot of stuff that we call generational curses are really generational secrets. could have been broken.

Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Let me ask you a question. And this is not to dive too deep in it, but I always like to hear these stories so other parents could see what's going on. For sure. And I got a younger son.

Yeah. So what happened? What was it? Was he a lot older? Was he an older man inviting you to his house? Was he your same age? Like what happened? Yeah.

These are the things, you know, because when my son says, I want to go on a play date, I'm always like, nah, I haven't come here. You know what my daughter says, I want to go with something? Nah, haven't come here. Absolutely.

But I'm just always nervous. So what? Was it without, you know, I don't want to be too. No, no, I'm open about all this kind of stuff. Okay, cool. So, so first of all, um, the dad you are is who Charles Edward Ross was. Everything was at our house. WrestleMania was at our house. Everybody had to spend a night at our house.

We didn't get to go nowhere, right? But a predator is a predator for a reason, right? A predator prays once you let your guard down. Right? So this is a neighbor from across the street. I'm eight. He got to be 17 or so. and he had a fine girlfriend, right?

And this is one of those things when you're a little boy. There's nothing sexualized at eight years old, but you look at his girlfriend and she's really pretty, and you're like, oh, that's a pretty girl. And then so this stuff starts happening to you, like, why are you over here with me? Like, I don't know what boys and girls do, but I don't think this should be happening where's she at?

Like, you know what I mean? So it was, it's when you're sexualized at a young age, there's nothing but confusion. You can relate to that. Like the confusion of like, this part of me is awakened, but I'm still playing with He-Man. You know what I mean?

I'm still playing with G.I. Joe. And it's a part of you that knows it's wrong, but it feels good. Right, right, right, right, right. And then, again, the layers of, because people are always like, well, I wouldn't let it happen to me. Well, you think you wouldn't let it happen to you.

We all have this benefit of hindsight on the outside looking from the outside end, but from the inside out, I understand why so many victims of sexual abuse, so many victims of who have been abused through coercion and manipulation, why it takes them so long to tell their story? Because people don't believe them. And then when they do share that story, it's why did you wait so long? And I'd be on the other side, like, if you don't shut the faith up, you know what I'm saying? Like it was 11 years for me and it took getting caught to got caught watching porn porn was never the root of my issue with the fruit I was using it to numb the pain of my trauma so like if that would have never happened and then I couldn't put it into words I wouldn't be as free as I am now and this book would not have been written what did that

would make you question your sexuality anyway ever bro because um and there's levels to this I've been in therapy For the 30 years I've been a believer in Jesus I've been in therapy for 28 So I'm so great for that mental health And the mental health space now

Is what it is But I was doing it before It was in vogue at all Right Because I just wanted to get to the bottom Of some things I never questioned my sexuality And that's because my parents

Has such a dope marriage That I just wanted what my dad had I wanted what my dad had with my mom and so there was never a question in my sexuality where I was like do I like guys or do I like girls? To your point when my dad found out my dad was crushed. We had already moved 70 miles away from that neighborhood. So it wasn't like bro could make a beeline across the street and handle business. He was just devastated as my mom was, right?

And they're questioning like, what do we do wrong? What happened? How do we miss this? How we didn't see? Yeah. And I had to continue to reassure them a predator is a predator for a reason. That's like asking yourself, how did I get mauled by a lion? Well, you didn't try.

They're predators, right? So, but our family bonded and got closer from that. And it just allowed us to heal. What happened to do? You know, I have no idea. I don't know if he's dead or alive. You never wanted to, years later, say, you know what, let me process this and... Here's the thing about him.

Get him arrested or... No, no, here's a thing about, that would have been dope. I'm not blaming you. No, no, no, no. What was your mind, friend? That would have been dope. I think that would have happened with the last person that got abused before my brother found him. Because that particular person, his grandfather was,

retired law enforcement. So I don't know exactly if something happened with that. I've actually reconnected with that dude years later on Facebook. And he was actually, like, moved to tears that I was sharing the story, which also is part of his story. But one of the thing that I found out, Envy, is that you don't actually need to see your abuser face justice for you to heal. like you don't need something to happen to them for you to find closure for you to heal to move on and a lot of people think if I get an apology from this person if I if this person is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law then I will feel justified but you actually

suspend your healing waiting for something to happen to them when you can be doing this work yourself now I wasn't necessarily thinking about your healing yeah other people he made of you oh for sure if he was abusing so many different people it was like stopping that like we always said these stories and be like if that one person would have said something maybe would have stopped 20 other people from getting hurt for sure for sure always think about that yeah yeah so I hope that the last person that it happened to the fact that their grandfather was in law enforcement um I hope that led to that but I wasn't around for that got you know Tim a lot of people perform peace instead of living it right like how do you know when you're when you're

when you're I guess faking your healing mm I think I think you can spot the fakers when they retell their story, but they actually start reliving it. Like there's so many people that, like, we live in a space right now. We're like, everybody wants to be vulnerable, right? Everybody wants to, you know what, I can share and I'm transparent. But then they start talking about it. And then in the middle of talking about it, they're actually reliving it. And it's like, I don't think you're talking about a wound that's healed.

but I think you're actually still bleeding from this wound. And you're in ICU, and you should probably turn off the mic. Right? We're not actually swapping stories right now, and I'm sharing stuff. And if I was breaking down, like, man, I'm glad you brought that up, dog. My body is starting to tell all of y'all, he ain't over this. Yeah.

He's trying to talk about it, but he ain't actually over this. And our bodies, when we don't tell, when our words don't match our body's experience, our bodies tell. That's right. Your skin to break out, your hair to fall out, your teeth to fall out, you'll start getting ulcers,

you'll break out in the rat. Your body is like, stop capping. Your body wants you to tell the truth. And when you do tell the truth, your nervous system regulates. This is why lie detectors are, even though they can't be 100%. Unless you're a psychopath,

a lie detector can detect a liar because the mouth and the body must live in harmony. And when it's not, the body starts giving even micro signals that this person is lying. When I hear you talk about that, it makes me wonder, like, is peace ever really a destination? Or is it something that, like, it's like you gradually get to parts of peace? I don't know if I'm making sense, right? You're making sense. You think someone's at peace.

And then it's like, no, they're probably not. but they feel like they are because they felt better about it than they did the day before, the month before. That's good. So how do you know what the destination of peace is? Yeah. So I'm glad you said that because it brought up a picture. So let's just say you bought 100 acres of land. Okay.

And you put your house on one acre of it, right? And you're like, oh, this is good, right? I cultivated this. I built a house on this. I got a little garden out here. But you got 99 other acres. It's just undeveloped. At some point, you need to expand.

to two. You are, all the land is yours, but now it all has to be cultivated. And that takes work. And so peace is something that you already have and you can already partake of, but the development of it could be a lifelong journey.

And peace is also a destination that you, you know, you're kind of in and out of. Yeah. Like, I like how you talk about in the book about how to keep your emotions. Yeah.

Regulated. A lot of people don't know how to do that. Right. For sure. I have learned this, especially coming from the environment I came out of in Englewood, there is a discipline. You have to choose peace, right? Like, I've seen y'all in here with some people that, you know, y'all have had to choose peace. You're not just choosing to keep your job.

You're not just choosing, you know what I'm saying, not to go viral for popping off. You're choosing peace because you know the alternative is what? Right? You talked about the donkey other day, dude. Like, why did you... Over a tip? Over a tip? This is how you want to crash out.

We had to run them over with a car. You didn't get a tip. Right? So, so peace is a choice. And I choose not to trade in my eternal piece for a temporary version that's going to bring me back to a dysregulated state anyway. How do you regulate your emotions while still honoring them?

Because you still got to feel your feels. For sure. Yeah. So, but. But our feelings, Charlemagne, our feelings are nothing more than informants. They're little snitches. They just come to tell us what's going on right now. They come to give us information.

But we still get to choose what we do with that information. I just celebrated my 27th wedding anniversary with Juliet. Right. Thank you. We got married May 1st. I still see other attractive women, right? My attraction is not a sin. That's not a boundary to cross.

My wife ain't going to be mad because I think another girl's pretty. my reaction to that attraction can get me in trouble. I have a choice in that. What if you get bricked up? That's biological. If I get bricked up? Well, yeah, that is biological.

Yeah. So they ain't got nothing to do with you, really? No, that's just biology. Right? And you could be stimulated by something if you flicking channels. You know what I'm saying? True, true.

I got hard looking at animal kingdoms sometimes. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what I'm saying. I didn't say me. Oh, I generalized. That's something. They're on their own. That line looks good.

And once again, Tim, you're on your own. So they're on their own. I didn't say I did. So all I'm saying is biology says that attraction is not a sin, right? Our reactions to our attraction seem to be that sin. So in anything, if I'm feeling anger, Bible says you can be angry but not sin. right so you can our emotions come to inform us of what we're feeling but we still have a choice if we're going to trade our peace for an emotion that could take us out of the will of god um you

dedicate this book to all the mental health professionals you said this book is for the mental health professionals the real ones the ones who didn't just help me survive my trauma but gave me the tools to thrive despite it y'all do holy work and i'm living proof of it why do you consider the world of mental health professionals to be holy work saved my life bro or or somebody else's like where i came from i told you about the time i was going to end my life but there's been some times somebody else's life was going to be ended mental health professionals have created space for me and millions of others to come and sit down and listen to the deepest darkest parts of our soul they are patient enough with us not in one session not in

two sessions, but I'm talking sessions over years, getting us down to the core of what it is that we're truly wrestling with. It took me, I think 15 years to get to the core roots of my

trauma, which are abandonment issues and anxiety, attachment issues. If it wasn't for their patients, I would snap, bro. People are out here acting out crazy. because they can't put their feelings into words.

And mental health professionals have paid a significant price to be able to give us language to our feelings so that we can navigate life's issues and storms and journeys. Wow. Yeah. Man, I hope you join us this year

at this year's Mental Welfth Expo. You know, I do the Mental Welfth Expo? Yeah, I would love to. Every October, I would love to have you there, man. For sure. The missing piece. If you want to do anything for somebody this mental health awareness month,

go get them Tim Ross's The Missing Peace. That's right. We appreciate you so much for joining us to sharing your story. And being so honest, man, hopefully that somebody to see what you went through and know that they can do it. Absolutely. I appreciate you all the time. Thank you. Every time I hear you speak.

I appreciate you. Tell me how to follow you, Tim. Upset the talk on TikTok, upset the gram on Instagram and on YouTube, the basement with Tim. And before we go, if you don't mind, we always end on a prayer. Can you end this on a prayer? For sure. Absolutely, God. Thank you so much for this team.

I thank you for envy. Charlemagne for Lauren for Jessica. I thank you for the anointing that you have placed on their life. I thank you for the call of God that's on their life. I thank you for the influence that you have given them to Stuart. May it continue to be used to give people a safe place to find peace. In Jesus' name. Amen.

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Yeah. I'm not dumbing myself down. I'm being myself. Source is tough. I'm the home guy that knows a little bit about everything and everything. The little brown girls look at you and go, I want to be like you. Take me through that. Take me through that.

The latest with Narno knows. On the breakfast club. L.L. Coobe. Talk to me. All righty y'all. So let's get into this Nick Cannon conversation. So Nick Cannon and Carlos Miller, I would say was going back and forth yesterday, but it wasn't even like a back and forth. So Nick Cannon did club Shay-Shay.

And he talked about Carlos Miller being fired from Wall and out. Let's take a listen to Nick Cannon. Did you fire Carlos at one time? You followed Los. I didn't fire Carlos what it was because Carlos is Carlos. Like he literally said, Nick, these motherfuck is funny? And he would be making people a guble. What that white man behind the camera actually doing?

Like he would be saying shit like that. But it's literally people getting nervous. There was that aspect of Carlos energy, which we all love. But it made, you know, the network nervous. And then at that time, we have a cast of 20. And everybody's agent wants them to make as much money as they possibly can. Yes. Because I clearly wasn't involved.

I was like, yes, I want Carlos here. The way I feel about Wiling Out, no one's ever fired. You might not do this season. Right. But we'll get you back next to. You might go off and do a movie this season. You might be focused. It's an open-door policy.

And so we played it up where he's, He said, Nick fired me. And I was like, ah, yeah, I did it. But I had nothing to do with it. But in that sense, I damn sure made sure that Carlos was back. That's how I know I've been in this business too long. That story is eight years old.

Yes. Like, I thought when you were teased it, I thought it was like something else that happened again. Well, something up. So this club, Shay-Shay interview that Nick Cannon did is new. And Carlos went on X and was responding to it yesterday. And people were having a conversation about it. Now, you mentioned that this is all these years old.

So back in 2018, Carlos, D.C. Young Fly, They were all up here on the breakfast club 85 South show It's like my Chico Bean And you actually called Nick Cannon on the phone At that time Let's take a listen to that clip Now Nick is there an issue between you and Carlos

Carlos and told me you don't fire him Yep, you did Nick Take him off the live, the tour, and the show I didn't hit you on the phone I'm DMs you, you ain't hitting me back You're not touching him back Don't be laughing at the comments And don't hit me back

They ain't napping That's my man for life So why he's not on the show no more? I'm fired him. He lying us He lying us Nick I love Carlos But if y'all want to talk about the money on air, We ain't talking about the money.

He said you fired him and replaced him with Kat Williams on the wild and not tour. He didn't say that. I can't understand that one, though. I didn't say that. Carlos said you ain't never want to be on the tour. You ain't never heard me say that. The shit who you had answering the phone called me one day about a flight and was like, well, you need to find something else to do.

And I ain't heard from y'all since. Damn. Yeah, I heard you say you ain't messing with that tour. That is some bullshit. I ain't never said that. So you took that that somebody said. So it's just miscommunication. I don't forgot more interviews than y'all ever done.

I don't even ever. He called Nick Cannon on the phone? Yeah, you called Nick Cannon on the phone. Because you were trying to basically, like, settle the issue. Because Carlos was saying he was trying to settle no issue. Carlos was. My guys, man, I love all of them guys. Everybody that you're talking about, I don't even remember that.

Well, so yesterday after, you know, this clip went viral of Nick Cannon on Club. Shea, recently, Carlos got on X. he was clearing some things up and he says he wasn't even going to say anything or bring this up anymore, but he doesn't like the fact that he's being made to look crazy. He says Nick Cannon has the whole black community out here thinking he did something to them folks. And he was just somebody at work that ain't going to let nobody handle him any type of way. He said the drama that he keeps, Nick Cannon keeps referring to includes him asking to be paid correctly and to stop giving writing credits to people who didn't write anything for anybody.

He said he wanted to be paid for all the shows that were being used and monetized. content on social media as well. And Carlos says when they can't use you and exploit you, you're the problem. So he feels like the way that his name is being talked about even in today's time when this comes up, he just doesn't appreciate it. I didn't hear Nick say nothing. Crazy on Club Shashay, though.

I didn't hear the whole interview, though, so maybe Carlos heard something. But even in, well, he responded directly to this clip. So even in his clip, I think his issue with it is he's like, okay, he would say certain things to the camera guy and the white people on set making it seem like he made people uncomfortable on set. Oh, got you. And

Carlos then goes on and says he puts a, like a symbol, like dancing. He says this is how they wanted me to act and just be thankful to be on a TV show. Some days I'm about Carlos Miller, Chico, being in D.C. Young Fly. Three of the most professional people that you're going to ever work with in any capacity. I've worked for them on so many levels from, you know, podcast to when I had my talk show, Incomonsense on MTV 2. Very professional. Treat everybody with respect.

But not only that, not you're talking business, but personally. They're good people. They're great brothers. DC reached out yesterday to me to take congratulations on the complex list. Yeah, you can call them anytime. I see Chico all the time. Carlos, I call when I have a car issue car problem. I FaceTime in the middle of the night.

He answers envy what you need. Like, those are three good brothers. And when I was there working on Wild & Out, man, that's all, all three of them did. But it was all in love. Like, you know, Carlos, Chico, and D.C. Going to make fun of any and everybody in the room, including themselves. You know, so it was all love. I don't know about anybody getting nervous.

anything like that, but everybody always welcomed them and love being around all three of them. They are pleasures to work with. Absolutely. Which is what you always want people to say when you leave a professional sense. That person was a pleasure to work with those three are pleasures to work with. Yep. Carlo says if you just give him the money he wants or the little money that they talked about, you would have never had a problem with him.

And that's all he wants to clear up is that, you know, it was a deeper issue. You wanted his worth. Yes, exactly. You can negotiate. It ain't wrong with that. Yes. So that is the latest for the hour. And the next hour, we'll be back with why Mike Epps doesn't want to come here anymore. Die.

Come where? The Breakfast Club. Not that I remember. He told me. That was a couple of months ago. He told us that. He's talking about it again, and we're going to talk about it. All right.

Shelman, who are you giving that donkey to, man? Four after the hour. Andre Brown, Jr., he need to come to the front of the congregation. We need to have a word with him. This is why you don't beat your kids, people. All right. We'll get into that nexus, the breakfast club. Good morning.

Make sure you tell him to watch out of Florida, man. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of four. Yes, you are a donkey. A Florida man attacked an ATM for a very strange reason. It gave him too much money. Florida man is arrested after deputy's day. He rigged the door to his home in an attempt to electrocate

his pregnant wife. Police arrested an Orlando man for attacking a flamingo. The breakfast club, bitchy. Donkey of the day with Charlemagne the guy. I don't know why y'all you keep letting him get you all like this. It's not me, Duval is Florida. Okay, donkey the day for Wednesday, May 6 goes to a 33-year-old Florida man named Andre Behnie.

Brown Jr. What does your uncle Shala always say about the great state of Florida? Say it with me. The craziest people in America come from the Bronx and all of Florida and today is no exception. Now, Andre is in jail for doing something that I don't do and that's beat his kids. Okay, now I was born in 1978. So whippings, beatings, that was just the way of life. Okay, I'm from the era where we had to go pick a switch off the tree. You all haven't had to go pick a switch. Y'all haven't had to go pick a switch. Y'all ain't had to go pick a switch. You all haven't had to go pick a switch. Y'all haven't had to go pick a switch. No. Dang, we have trees in New York, but we ain't pick no switch, though. of those who had to go pick a switch. You know how sadistic that was in hindsight? Okay. Go pick the weapon that is going to be used against you. That is pure insanity.

Okay? If you tell a kid to go pick a switch right now, though he'll probably say, for what, the pistol or the rifle, okay? But I want adults to know that beating your kids is stupid. All right, doing any kind of physical harm to your child hurts you just as much, if not more than it does the kid. We all remember the saying

this will hurt me more than it hurts you. That's debatable, but it does. hurt when you have to physically discipline your kids, which is why I won't do it because you always end up feeling dumb disciplining kids, physically disciplining kids because they are just kids. If you physically disciplining a kid for something they did wrong, you're an idiot because the reality is they're just kids and kids don't know what they don't know. Okay, you ever got mad at a kid because you can't believe they did some foolishness? Well, they can't believe it either.

Okay? And you say to them, what's the matter with you? The answer is nothing. They're kids. They just got here two seconds ago. They learning as they grow just like you did. I spanked my oldest daughter one time. Okay, gave her a couple pops when she was young because she cursed.

I felt so damn stupid afterwards. Number one, she don't even know what those words mean. Okay, number two, she probably heard us saying them. All right? So spanking her for that is dumb. She didn't know any better. And your kids don't know any better either. So give them grace.

All right. Now, that brings me back to Andre Brown Jr. Andre Brown Jr. I can't even talk to y'all about. Andre Brown Jr. until I let you know what he's getting donkey today for. Let's go to CBS News Miami for the report, please. A shocking hate crime arrest out of Polk County. Deputies say a man targeted a five-year-old boy because he believed the child was gay. Police say 33-year-old Andre Brown Jr. was arrested on Sunday. Officials say he allegedly beat the boy and two other

children. They say the youngest suffered from serious injuries. Brown reportedly told deputies that he abused the child because of his sexual orientation. claiming he would, quote, beat the gay out of him if possible. Investigators say the attack was intentional and hate-driven, elevating the charges to a life felony. What in the Lee Daniels Empire script? Andre Brown Jr. beat a five-year-old boy so bad that he had marks and bruises covering his legs, arms, back, and stomach along with a fractured right wrist

and a contusion on his forehead. Beat this five-year-old boy so bad to other children in the house, who he also had beat. they were traumatized. There was a nine-year-old in the house who contacted her mother to report that the five-year-old was being abused. Sent the text message that read, and I quote, I'm scared. He's whooping him so hard. I'm scared.

Andre Brown Jr. told deputies that he decided to whoop the little boy because the little boy was gay. He advised he would beat the gay out of him if possible, but since it wasn't possible, he would beat him more. That's an exact quote he told deputies, okay? Well, who going to beat the dead? dumb out of Andre, if possible. Okay, I know it's not possible, so maybe they should just beat Andre more. Andre Brown Jr., question for you.

This little boy was five. Now, homosexuality is defined as romantic, emotional, or sexual attraction between members of the same sex or gender. Who is this five-year-old being romantic with that five? What could this little boy have been possibly doing that you would think he was gay? Even if the little boy had some Dixie crystals in his tank, make him do some push and or something. Maybe he was just five and is always around women, so he picked up their mannerisms. And maybe just maybe you're correct. He's gay. So what? Okay, beating him will change nothing.

All right. You actually admit that you know beating the gay out of him isn't possible. And since it wasn't possible, you just decided to beat him some more. So therefore, you confess to a hate crime. Okay? You absolutely positively committed a hate crime. You simply beat all over this little boy because he was gay. That says more about you than it does this little boy, because he can't help with these born ass. You, on the other hand, made a choice to be evil. You made a choice to administer harm to this little boy

simply because you can. And where was this young man's parents? Where's his daddy at that he letting you beat all over him like this? And what do you think will happen to you in prison? There is going to be gay men in prison daring you to try to beat the gay out of them, and you're going to have to fight to keep the gay out of you. Please give Andre Brown Jr. the biggest he-ho.

I don't know those wrong people, man. Yeah, that's crazy. I really don't. I was looking at this story earlier about how a bunch of religious leaders claimed they were called the secret meetings to prepare for UFO disclosure. It's time.

It's time. Because I feel like we're just all a bunch of defective humans and it's about time for us to be recalled. That's all. We're just a bunch of defective product in this universe. What you mean recalled? Not all of us. Not all of us.

Yeah. Yeah, but some of us. Some of us is time to go. All right. Yeah. Like Andrene Brown. Junior. Junior.

Okay. All right. Thank you for that donkey today. Yo, please. You said, not you. I'm just like, no, no, no, no. I'm a very bad.

All right. When we come back, Michael, Joe White will be joining us. He has a new movie Special Op, Renner Cop, which is out on Amazon Prime. Right now, Apple TV. You know him, the brother. He's an actor, so we'll talk to him next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Jess Hilarious, Charlemagne Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. Lorn and the Rose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. His new movie, Special Op. Renner Cop is out right now. Michael J. Michael J. White. Is it a J. This Jai? You got it, right?

Oh, okay. Good morning. How you feeling, brother? I feel real good. I feel real good being back here. I got problems now because I'm kind of loving being back Really? Yes, man I'm from here originally

Yeah, yeah, yeah And so walking these streets, man It's a beautiful weather Man, it's got me like Well, that's today Because tomorrow's we back cold Well, yesterday too It was all good man

I'm enjoying myself But if you're in mind I like to go back For people that don't know How did you get into theater Into acting? What push you towards that? Well, I was a

I was always kind of doing this As a kid, right? I was doing like plays and I was doing like my own films like when I was 10 years old I was cutting together movies and stuff but wasn't taking this series like I go to college come out

I'm a school teacher but I'm still dealing with like I'm coming out here auditioning to do different things when I'm off you know from teaching school and so it got in my system like I really enjoy this and so I landed a really big theatrical like the I was in

um to kill a Mockingbird, the first adaptation to theater, you know, off Broadway. And I was with like Tony Award winners, all that kind of stuff. And so that was my trajectory. I was an actor, right? And I was doing theater and I was doing all that kind of stuff and landing stuff before going out to L.A. But, you know, in these streets and, you know, it's the energy and the fact that I was in

it for the art of it, right? And so it's kind of like reliving that. But yeah, I started out here. And, you know, then, you know, with the whole LA thing and, you know, changing up doing all the kind of popcorn movies and stuff like that. I always wanted to come back to roots and do more theater and do those kind of things. But, you know, it's, I kind of feel a nostalgic. And went into martial...

Yeah, I was going to say the theater coming for martial arts. Yeah, it's going to get winter martial arts. Well, it's funny how people equate the two. I've been doing martial arts. my whole life. Gotcha. It's kind of like, I don't know,

like if you think about Gregory Hines was tap dancing, but he don't tap dancing every movie. But when I first came to L.A., I didn't want to do anything with martial arts. I want to be established as an actor

because that's what I was. But I happened to do martial arts, right? So when I started doing movies with martial arts in it, what was cool is that a lot of people, executives, they thought,

oh, he's being doubled. whatever, they didn't realize I was efficient in that. That you could really do it. Right, yeah. So, but that was by design because I didn't want to first start doing martial art movies and be on martial arts island and everybody think that you can't, you can't act.

Yeah, because most people who do martial art movies, that's all they do. And I knew, just like with Wesley, who's done a whole lot of work, once he got known for something dealing with martial arts, he got branded like that. Right. Even though he's a fabulous actor, People tend to forget that.

And a lot of times with people with me, they forget that too to some degree. But no, I'm an actor. And even when I do the stuff with martial arts, it might be, you know, it might be by way of the action, I may be doing martial arts in it. But, of course, people like to put you on a certain shelf until you break off of that shell. You've mastered martial arts at a high level. It's like a seven-degree black belt, I think? Well, I got eight black belts, right?

In different varying degrees. but like that's just a mainstay of my life you know but I apply martial arts to everything in my life you know uh you know anything being a better father being it's about overcoming obstacles that's what martial arts about even though it it's kind of like people look at the fighting aspects of it and that kind of derails everything because everybody starts just thinking about who most people are insecure and they think about the fighting you know whooping somebody's ass that's only a very small part of what martial arts is designed for. You know, it's really designed for

to develop a person overall. But, you know, so I kind of use martial arts in every aspect of my life because it's about discipline. I was going to ask, you know, with the movie business, has that shifted your life a little bit. And the reason I say that is growing up and we used to

look towards movies as a big major release, right? And I'm even looking at Michael. I don't know if you see Michael, but I couldn't imagine seeing Michael at the crib. Like, that's something I needed to see on that big screen and the music, but it's shifted so much where now, you know, you do a movie, it's no long a major movie release. And now

it's on, we know, Hulu or Tube or Netflix or, you know, BET or how has that shifted the way that you think about movies, if it has at all? Well, I've shifted into, I like streaming a series a lot more because they dare to be unique.

And a lot of times in movies, they're so scared to give you an experience. It's so, like, formulaic, you know? So you've seen a lot of movies, and you see the trailer, you know,

you've seen the whole damn movie. But it's, I recognize that, right? And I've been blessed to be able to do my own things and produce my own stuff. Right now, I've got three different movies out right now. We've got a secret between us that's in theaters right now. I got Oscar Shaw,

which is doing really well, which is a, you know, gritty drama. And I got this. goofy movie that brought me here like the special out of rent a cop right yeah which is a whole different thing I was like

you know intending to him being like a kindergarten cop type of thing but I'm blessed to have these three very different type of movies out at the same time which is like you know it lets me do you know work out different muscles and stuff but you know so with

films now I'm doing a lot more my own right writing directing like like with hustle takeover and Trouble Man,

which I did with Brother Method Man from here, I get a chance to do these things that really is in my zeitgeist and I got more movies coming out and of course, you might know about the why that get married.

Three. Three. Damn it's three. God, damn. And that's going to be, believe me, that's going to be the best one of them on.

Yeah, but yeah, but like, yeah, I shipped it. I really like a lot I like movies that are not so formulae that you can't figure out from like day one. You were doing superhero movies, you know, way before the superhero boom, right?

Yes, sir. Do you ever look at today's landscape and feel like you were ahead of your time? I don't look at it things like that. I don't ever think of myself being ahead of nothing, really. I just, you know, Traips Long do my thing. Yeah, it was wonderful to be the first black superhero in that, but I didn't expect that that was going to yield any particular thing. I don't

have those expectations. But yeah, I'm honored to be in that category. Some of the superhero movies. Now, I'm just I'm not really into that because I feel like they're kind of doing the same thing. And it's, I'm not the target audience.

It's a younger audience that they're looking for. I'm 47. I love superhero movies. I'm going to say it is, but it's not a lot of the superhero movies, I feel like it's a core audience. Like they grow up He still buys the costumes for Halloween. He dresses up like, you know what I'm talking? I've gotten into the D.C. because of the TV series.

Right, right, right. The peacemaker was dope. Penguin was dope. Oh, yeah. I love the TV series. Movies is, you know, I'm just seeing the formula all the time. You know, so I like the straight breastmil, basically. You know, something that's going to be its own thing.

So, yeah, I have respect for the movies that try to notch out their own kind of, personality to it. But yeah. But somebody landing in a three-point stance and then lick up, I'll turn the channel. The superhero landing? Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, oh, not for me. You know? Yeah, so, yeah, I like the television stuff a lot. What is the plot of why did I get married through? You can't say it with. Oh, yeah, I can say a little bit, I think. I'm pretty sure. But, I mean, I got to commend Tyler on this one

because even on the onset of the script, the subject matter is stuff that I haven't even seen in a movie before. One of the things I think I could talk about is the fact that as parents, right, we like to be exemplary role models to our children, and children don't know all the messing up that we did before here. And that was a thing that I always thought was great about this because I never saw a movie that dealt with that. As parents, we always do that.

They don't know how messed up we were, you know? And so there's a, there's a concept. of that in this movie. There's actually four concepts in this movie that could have been movies by itself. So Tyler really stepped on up on this and I'm, you know, I'm, I try to be, I'm always honest. I'm like, I feel like he really stepped up and, uh, in a whole lot of ways in this movie. Y'all taped it already? Yeah, it's done. Okay, okay. I saw photos. Yeah, we shot in Lake Como, Italy and I'm proud of what he's doing. And y'all gonna like this. Jill Scott back, everybody. Jill, Joe Scott, uh, Taraji's now.

Yeah, she's in it. Not Janet, though. No, she didn't. I don't know. Yeah, well, I think people know that she's not in this one. Gotcha. But, yeah, but Taraji, man, she kills it. Everybody kills.

And there's a young audience. There's a young audience in this movie. Our children, man, these young actors are killing it. I mean, DaVinci plays my son, you know, from BMF. There's, like, amazing. I mean, just even standing. on set watching them do their thing, man. I was like, this is going to be, this is going to

be fire. How does he, I don't know how much you can share, but how does he like in Janet Jackson's story though in this new one without her being there? Because I feel like we were left on a cliff of like how she's going to continue her life and, you know, she's grieving her husband and that was the first movie, right?

No, that was, you're talking about the second. That was the last, the last time we saw Janet was when she lost her husband, correct? When did Malikyil would die? Yeah, it's like lost her husband. She helped him lose. She helped lose him. I'm just saying, I just want to know, like, what's the, like. Is that the first one or the second one?

I don't know. You know, sometimes I get mixed up myself, but it's, I can't, I can't really speak on that. It's not like she's gone, gone. She's like, like, well, I forget how we dealt with it in the, in the, in the script, but it's, you know, it. We'll get some closure. Yeah, you definitely get close.

I mean, it's like, hey, I believe there's going to be a why that I get married for. And if everybody's, uh, schedules align. you're going to see her again. Because when he was, when Tyler Perry posted that script, it kind of made everybody, that's when we got excited for it. And he had originally tagged it. Then when I saw the photos of y'all in Italy, she wasn't in the photo. So we were like, what the heck happened?

But here it is, man. Why focus on what's not in there? You know, we love our characters. Like, I feel like we, we feel like we wrong with those characters. If that wasn't Jill, we'd be talking about Jill right now. Oh, yes. We would. If that wasn't somebody else, we'd be talking about them right now.

A hundred percent. But we could, but there's there's a percentage of people who did make it in there in a wonderful script and a wonderful movie that we could be talking about too. She can kill her character in the first five minutes after what she did to her husband, okay? He called that argument. He said this.

At least we get that. Because I'm... If y'all tell me she got in the car, in the first five minutes, I'll be like, good. That's what she gets for an argument with that man like that causing it. Sometimes I like the fact that he can say things that I can't say.

I wanted to go back to 2000. one for a second. Exit wounds. Did a movie with DMX. I was working with DMX. Oh, wonderful. Man, we became instant friends, man. Like, yeah, DMX was a really

solid cat, man. That friendship kept on. Dee were coming to town. We would always link up. Yeah, it was real cool. It was real cool. Sad to see him go. He was a really, really deep brother.

You know, he had his demons that he was dealing with. But, yeah, he was. He loved the martial arts too. He loved martial arts, yeah. Yeah, we became cousin, basically. I didn't DMX feel about Stevenson. I think you might know about that. Like, I don't think anybody really dug him.

Nobody, so it wasn't just you? No, no, no. No, I mean to be honest with you, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, it's a sad situation with that guy, man. For people that don't know, what was the beef about or the problems or why did people like him as much as? Well, I just saw you criticize his on-set behavior. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, unfortunately. Like, so, I mean, I was a fan early on. Steve was a guy, right? I worked with him three different times. And I don't know.

Like, I've, and you might forget, like, I was actually low-key helping him in a lot of ways. I got him as his dietitian, his trainer, and all these different things at one time, even without him even knowing. I was designing his damn diet on Yeah, but But yeah And I tried to hook him up with his doctor to help him out as well So my thing was like You know, I tried to hold on to the images he first had

Which I was a fan of in the earlier works But like we talked about man, the ego, man It don't serve nobody I don't know why he always kind of tried to present himself like he's, you know, bad man, he's a fighter or whatever. I think it's the insecurity that started him out in this whole thing. But, man, it's like he just, I think he played himself with overplaying his hand so people start going, hey, wait a minute, this don't make no sense.

And, you know, it's a lesson for people. You know, it kind of goes back to what I'm talking about. I don't think anybody want to trade places with that, man. You know, and that's what ego gets you. That's the word. We appreciate you for joining us this morning, brother. Appreciate you, too. Mike the Jai White, the new movie, special op.

Runner Cop is out right now, and thank you for joining us, brother. We appreciate it. Thank you. Let's do this again, man. Next time you're in the city, come on up, man. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Appreciate you guys. Thank you.

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Sometimes you have facts. Sometimes you have details. Sometimes you have a little bit of everything. Well, it's the latest. Brought to you by Top Dog Law. On the Breakfast Club. Talk to me. So we talked about this a bit yesterday.

Stefan Diggs was in court. He was being accused of strangling in various different assault with a woman that was his chef previously. She was a living chef. she'd been working with him for some time and he was facing up to five years in prison behind this. Now yesterday he was found not guilty. A jury

deliberated for an hour and a half which is pretty quick and it came out with the not guilty verdict and at face value they basically said they felt like the chef's claims were BS. Now she was having a hard time in court anyway so I mean it was very easy to see where this was going. She couldn't answer

some questions. She was having a hard time answering questions directly to the point where the judge got literally said to her if you don't start answering the questions with an answer and not how you feel about things, we're going to take you off the stand. Don't you hate that? Don't you hate when you're talking to somebody and even if you're talking, like they don't listen to what you're actually saying.

They're just telling you what they feel you're saying. You know what I mean? Just give me an answer. And when you're talking to them, just give me an answer. Well, for her. They think what the answer should be and not what the real answer is. For her, she was doing it purposely because she was trying to get to, I think she wanted people to feel for her emotionally.

They had asked her one question about why she deleted text messages, right, about whole I ruin that B's life and calling him Stefan Diggs' various names. And she started talking about, you know, being abused by her ex and that she felt like he intended to, what he intended to do, Stefan Diggs. And they're like, we don't want to know what you thought he was going to do. Tell us why you deleted those. You know what I mean?

That's projection, though, like, because she's been through some other things in her life. That don't got nothing to do with Stefan. Tell me about what he did to you, allegedly. which is clearly nothing. Right. And this whole thing has been a lot because it's been a conversation since Super Bowl time

about these allegations. Now his attorney, Mitch Shuster, he put out a statement and he made it very clear. He says fame and financial success shouldn't strip someone of their presumption of innocence, but too often it does exactly that.

And unfortunately, as is this case with unfounded claims, the damage starts the moment an accusation is filed long before any facts are examined. Professional athletes have a target on their back when someone sees a unit,

form in a contract, they see leverage, they see a settlement, and they're counting on the pressure in the court of public opinion to drive the default decision to settle regardless of the facts of the matter. So what happens to her? I'm not for sure. I mean, maybe you might see, if I'm Stefan, you might see maybe like some defamation situation on his name because he might have lost some things behind this. Absolutely.

Yeah. But suing her for defamation ain't going to do him no good because she don't got no money. Right. He's just going to raise money doing that. So to answer your question, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Her usual. Yep. Now in other news, shifting gears a bit. So Mike Epps, he was on open thoughts with Funny Marco. A hilarious episode, by the way. It opened up funny from the minute the interview starts. But they're talking about the fact that Mike Epp said he wouldn't do any interviews or podcasts anymore because of us here at the breakfast house.

Let's take a listen. Yeah, man. And I was wondering when the fuck you was going to bring me on here. I've seen so many episodes. I was like, oh, fuck the guy. You know, I asked me to come out. I was thought you would be scared, too, because you said you ain't doing a more podcast,

punk-ass podcast because they set you up. I'm not doing the breakfast club no fucking more. But anyway, I sit down with me. I'll probably do it again, but. In the morning, too. Right in the morning. Yeah, breath stinking, ass. No breakfast.

No breakfast. You're sitting there on Fiji. I sit in there waiting room. I bet BG back there. I sit back there for a minute. I bet BG, bird man. I'm waiting on his. And you come there and they hit you with a F bomb right there.

You're like, oh, why are you feel about it? I'm like, bro, come on, it's early as hell. You try to give me canceled in the morning. We're slow. We can't think of order for real. You wanted to talk, Marco. Okay, like, we don't watch your interviews and how you be interviewing people. Okay.

Knocked off, Marco. You'd be setting people up, okay? Knock it off, Marco. Yes. Mike Eps has told all is that. He's not coming back. Except for me. He didn't tell me.

I mean, we don't talk, but he didn't tell me. He told me and Shalerman. He's coming back. Yeah, he said, Mike Epps is the home room. He's coming off of Mike. He literally said, I'm right still going to do it. There was another part of the conversation I thought was interesting, too. Mike Epps was talking to Funny Marco about why he thinks his career isn't as big as it should be.

Let's take a listen to that. I was actually watching Chris Tucker's career because he was so great. He did next Friday. He did Money Talk. He did rush hour. So I went and got to found the script, took it to Q. I actually took all about the Benjamins to him. And then I wasn't conditioned in the mind to keep going.

So I kind of hit a pause, kind of hit rock bottom right there. I was in my own way of my career. That's why people was like, man, it seemed like you would be much bigger, but I didn't play the game at that time that I was supposed to play. I look at guys like Kevin Hart, he did everything right in his career stagewise. And I look at my career and I'm like, yeah, Mike, you were scared. You was afraid to become the best of you because you have never seen the best. You didn't know how to love yourself.

I would like for him to expound on when he said Kevin Hart did everything correct stagewise. Because we've watched Kev's ebbs and flows. Like, you know, people act like Kevin's just been super successful this whole time. No, Kev had failing TV shows. He had movies that didn't do well. And he had to go back to rock bottom and build himself up from the stand-up perspective. But I guess it was the grind of Kevin Hart. Like, that's the one thing that we can always talk about the grind of what he's done.

Well, not just the business, but Kevin did, I mean, he did everything. He did music. He did carol. lines. He did the small venues, the big venues. We've seen him grow to him. He was and he never let up. That's after he fell in Hollywood. So, Plain didn't do well. He had the sitcom on NBC that didn't do well. Everybody

forgets that he never let up. That part. Because he went back to the stage and just fed the streets with that stand-up. That's how he got back to who is now. You know, Kevin did music? He got a music a bunch of times. Chocolate dropper? Chocolate jopper?

Oh, I'm like, when? What are you talking about? Chocolate dropper. That's like, but that's still a comedy music. But it was still a comedy music. Just thought she missed a mixing. Even from the Mike Epps perspective, from me looking at, Mike Epps is big to me.

Me too. We were having a conversation backstage. I thought he's one of the biggest. He's just coming off a hit sitcom on Netflix. The Upshaws, like, Mike got mad, stand-up specials on Netflix. Mike got a whole block in Indianapolis. Mike Epps is big.

Mike Epps is big, but I don't think people put Mike Epps in the same conversation that they put a lot of these other comics in. Right? When they, what was you going to say? I would just say, I was able to see his range when he was in Sparkle. When he did Sparkle with, what is, oh my God, Whitney Houston and Jordan Sparks and all of them

when he played like the abusive husband, you know, he played a comedian. But it was a very serious role he played. In this era, there's not too many comedians who have achieved the level of success that Mike Gaps has. Not at all. But they don't put Mike Gibson those conversations, though. From the streets to cross-hold. But even when you talk about, when you talk about Kevin Hard or you talk about any of those, the grace, they don't mention Mike Epps all the time.

But that's a different conversation, though. That's true. I think you're talking about how people receive somebody's art. I'm talking about just how big somebody is. Mike Epps is right there. But he should be in those conversations. Because he's done, like you said, he's done the hit TV series. He's done hit movies.

He's done stages. He's sold out so many different tours. It goes on the road over and over again. But they don't put him in those conversations. He don't say it. I hear him in them conversations. I would put him in them as well. I've heard him say that sentiment before.

I don't understand it, but I've heard him say that before. But, you know, when you're the person sitting in it, maybe it feels different. It's different. You know? Yeah. So that's the latest for the hour. It's brought to you by Top Dog Law. Any Accident Big or Small called Top Dog Law. Man, we need somebody. We need Top Dog. Top Dog. Somebody was eating at a restaurant.

One of our producers, Taylor, Sluja Taylor. Taylor was eating at a restaurant and there was a screwing her waffle. Oh my God. Did you take a picture in the video? Which she was feeding her son. Girl. So she was feeding her and you cracked your tooth when you bit into it. And she's sick right now. She has lead poisoning, I guess. And she got cameras in a house.

And they picked up the footage of her doing it. Yeah, that's right. What, putting the screw in the food? No, of her eating. What's wrong with you, man? It almost slid right down on the throat, man. She said she hasn't been working in a couple days. Could have been dead today.

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The Breakfast Club. Now we got a salute to Michael Jai White for joining us this morning. Slued to Michael Jai White, man. He got a bunch of movies out. One of them he don't want us to talk about. Yo, come on, man. That was behind the scenes. Come on, man.

Sluke Michael Jai White. It was great talking to him about martial arts and discipline and, you know, how martial arts helps him to keep his ego in check. That's right. It keeps him disciplined. And also Tim Ross for joining us this morning. You did Tim Ross so dirty, man. Go get Tim Ross's new book.

What's it called? The missing piece. The missing piece, man. How to be held together when you're falling apart. Listen, that is a great gift to give somebody doing mental health away this month. All right. Just for somebody you know that's going through something, man. All right.

When we come back positive notice. I have a fact. Now you got something you want to say? Yes. Did y'all know in South Korea, the sea opens twice a year for just one hour. And it's called the Gendo Miracle. Did y'all know that? Yes.

Charlemagne, come on Come on I'm telling you, man You did not know Yes, in the spring And in freaking I think autumn September and October

Come on, you're talking about like Moses like the partner The rest of you? Who yes? Only for one hour Yes, twice a year In the spring and in the autumn Yes, it's called

Did you know that? Why are you looking over here? I thought it was in January and February But no, you're lying It's not I thought it was late January He never knew And they walk like people

You can walk through it. Between the islands. See, what is it was having? But you got to make sure. It is. It's spring and then autumn. But you have to make sure that you get your walks in and walk back at that hour

because they're going to come crashing down on each other and they will kill you. Yes, right. Yeah, I wouldn't risk it. So. But the South Koreans, they love it. They be, you know. Well, they come together as families, they're out of their ancestors and all that. Yeah.

For one hour. So if y'all love, if you all over there. you know, while that's happening, y'all should go and see it for yourself. That's what came up when y'all was doing a little drunk games for a single-a-mile yesterday? No, it's a fact, and I don't think people know. And just because you knew,

don't mean everybody else to know, because NBS ain't no evil. It's called history, but all right, you got a positive note? Yes, I do. And it's simple. Once again, salute to Tim Ross and his book, The Missing Peace. It's a quote that I love from Ralph Waldo Emerson. And it's a simple quote,

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