The Breakfast Club - FULL SHOW: Nelly Talks St. Lunatics Reunion, Tory Lanez Speaks From Prison, Charlamagne Covers Forbes + Papoose & Claressa Shields & Mysonne Interviews

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Papoose & Claressa Shields talk Bars on Wheels, Black love, Remy Ma, and boxing. Mysonne also joins to discuss his role on Zohran’s transition team and influenci...ng policy and justice. Plus, it’s Friday, so we open the phone lines for callers to give out the People’s Donkey,  including one caller who gives her mother ‘Hee-Haw & Merry Christmas’ for not meeting her grandson in person yet. Listen for more!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:02 Good morning, USA! Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, hey, hey, hey, hey, yeah, we're on vacation, hey, a, hey, for vacation. This is our last day. Hey, hey, hey, hey, last day. Woo! You hype about it, short. What? I am so hype, but I need this recess to sit my ass down and relax. I mean, I just want to sit down, enjoy the holidays, enjoy my family, and just enjoy the things that come with Christmas, man.
Starting point is 00:03:43 I just want to just sit down. That's it. That's all I'm excited to do. I'm actually in Atlanta, huh? I was about to ask you, how was Jingle Ball? I know you in Atlanta. How was that? Yeah, I was in Atlanta for 96.1's Jingle Ball, which they do each and every year.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I host the show with the talent down here, and it was amazing, man. Salute to everybody that performed last night from Belly Gang, Y.K. Neese, Bankroll, Nelly, Big Extra Plug, Ludacris, Jermaine Dupree, Bow Wow, DeBrat, Ying, Twins, Little John, Pastor Troy, Eastside Boys, Little Scrappy. I ran into everybody last night. Damn, that sounds like a family reunion.
Starting point is 00:04:19 It was a family reunion. And the one thing I would say, you know, I do a lot of these shows and host a lot of these shows and bring out artists and do interviews, and it's always fun. But Atlanta always seems like a second home, and I'm explaining to you why. When I do these shows in New York,
Starting point is 00:04:31 everybody's too cool. Like, they perform, they go in the green room, they don't really want to talk, they don't want to, nah, not Atlanta. Atlanta is like, you're sitting there, you're just talking to everybody.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Everybody's in the hall. Everybody's talking to somebody. Everybody's walking by. Everybody's like, where we're going after this? How's your family? What you're doing that? It's like a huge family reunion. So, salute to 96.1,
Starting point is 00:04:52 the jingle ball was amazing. If you went to the show last night, I hope you had an amazing time. I mean, Mariah the scientists was there. I've seen Young Thug there. Kearney, Miley. It was just a dope show. So, salute to Louis V.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Salute to Jill. It was just that they put together a crazy, crazy show. And I just had a good time. That's a lot of people. Did y'all make the money back for that? That's a whole lot of names that need a lot of money. I don't know. But, you know, because of all those names, you know, last year, when I did it, I had a green room.
Starting point is 00:05:21 This year, my green room was the hallway. So I didn't have a green room. Damn. So they cut my green room. And then also last year, I had a driver. This year, Louis V picked me up from the hotel. So I don't know. I don't know if they had the cut budgets.
Starting point is 00:05:32 But regardless, it wasn't about that. It was about the listeners and the fans and everybody out there having a great time. Okay. Did you know, jobs have been getting cut too? I was going to say, is that a sign envy? But that's why I didn't complain. Usually I would have been on my life skin. It's like, yo, how I don't have a green room?
Starting point is 00:05:47 You know, usually I'd be like, yo, how are you going to pick me up? But because of everything that's been going on in the world, I just took it on the chin paws. Man, I thought you was going to be here today, man. I had a Christmas present for you, man. Who? Damn. Well, maybe I'm glad you. The last time you gave me a Christmas present, it was a mold of your ass.
Starting point is 00:06:05 So maybe I'm happy. I wasn't there. This is a very thoughtful gift, man. You're not even here. That's whack. I thought you was going to be here this morning, man. I thought so, too. But the flights had another thing, and they didn't want me to come.
Starting point is 00:06:16 So I said, I'm going to fly out first thing in the morning. The morning, Lenard. How are you? He's Jessica Robin Moore. Good morning. How y'all feel, man? Last day before vacation, baby. What's happening?
Starting point is 00:06:26 Yes, man. You would have enjoyed the show last night, the jingle ball land. I was just telling him about it. You know who destroyed it and who killed it? Little John. Oh, my goodness. Y'all keep playing with Little John. Like, little John, not a god amongst men.
Starting point is 00:06:38 And he only did Crunk. That's all he only did. My way, this is a man that's been responsible for quite a few different eras. But Crunk is a very, well, I don't want to say underrated. But, you know, if you grew up in the South, in the era that I did, you understand Crunk. Yeah, Jamaica pre-killed it. Nelly killed it. But when Little John.
Starting point is 00:06:53 All he did was crook. All he brought out. All he did was crunk. And oh my gosh. Well, we got Remy. Oh, it was Remy. Damn, rice. Let me stop.
Starting point is 00:07:02 No, I'm not even going to start now. Let's let's get the show started. Let's get the show started. Yeah, let's get the show started. That was disrespectful. I know, I'm sorry. Because they just, they, when you think of Papoos, it's like, I'm sorry. First of all, Papoos and Clarissa Shield will be here this morning.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Yes. Okay. I didn't mean that. I swear I didn't mean that. Pappoos has a new EP and short film called bars on wheels, a journey to save hip hop. and Tristan Shields is fighting on February 22nd, I believe it is. So they'll be here this morning.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Yeah, they'll be joining us. And I got my son will be here, too. He is appointed to Mayor Alexeran Mondani's criminal legal system transition team. So he'll be here to talk to us this morning as well. All right. Well, let's get the show crack. We got front page news. You got yin-yang twins?
Starting point is 00:07:41 Oh, my goodness. When this record came on yesterday. Y'all don't know nothing about this. Last night, when you talk about to the window, to the wall, to the sweat, drop down. You wasn't even there. Oh, my goodness. You wasn't around. You wasn't around.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I was around. Was you around? What? I'm from Monks Corner, South Carolina. Don't play with me, boy. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. When this song came on last night, 9, 6.1 to beat Jingle Balls, uh, Atlanta's Jingle Ball, Crazy. Drop on the clues bombs for Little John, man. That's my second, that's the second radio interview I ever did in my life. Really? Little John. First, first radio interview ever did in my life was fabulous on Z-93 Jams in Charleston,
Starting point is 00:08:15 South Carolina. He was in studio, him and Lenny Yes, and then the second was a phoner with Little John. That's dope. Well, morning, everybody. We are the Breakfast Club. getting some front page news. All right now. And Thursday night for the ball. The Seahawks beat the Rams 3837. What's up, Mimi?
Starting point is 00:08:32 Good morning, NB. Jeff Salaman, how y'allamane? How you doing? Peace, Mimi. Good. Good morning. So we start this morning with the clock ticking on those Jeffrey Epstein files. The Trump administration has until midnight tonight to comply with a new federal transparency law
Starting point is 00:08:46 passed by Congress to make those files public. Now, as this deadline approaches, House Democrats, they are. are releasing new material saying it shows why the public deserves to see what the Justice Department is holding. So yesterday, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, they released more than 60 photos of Epstein's estate. Now, the images were shared without explanation, but lawmakers say they illustrate the scope of Epstein's network and raise questions about who may have been connected to him. And some of the photos, they show Epstein alongside powerful, well-known figures. Others include foreign passports, disturbing imagery, and screenshots of
Starting point is 00:09:22 of messages that appear to be them to be arranging women, young women, to be sent to someone. Several images, they also show lines from the novel Lolita, a book centered on the sexual abuse of a 12-year-old girl written on a woman's body. Democrats say they're releasing the images as they receive them after the committee was handed more than 95,000 photos from Epstein's estate last week. Republicans on the committee, they argue that Democrats, they are selectively releasing these images to shape a narrative. But all of this is unfolding with the administration now down to the final hours. And Congressman Rokana, he says if they miss the deadline, there will be consequences. Let's listen to what he had to say. At midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files.
Starting point is 00:10:09 That is what Thomas Massey and my bill calls for. It passed this body, 427 to 1, passed the Senate 100 to 0, and the president signed it. Now, three federal judges have ordered the release of all of these files. Here is the reality. Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice. If Pam Bondi does not comply with the law, she will be held either an inherent contempt of Congress or subject to impeachment. We will not rest until the law is. complied with and justice
Starting point is 00:10:51 is served. What is Trump going to do today to distract us then? Like he put out those tweets about Rob, what's Rob Rainer, Rob Reiner, earlier this week. He addressed the nation Wednesday and none of that really changed the temperature or anything. So that means the day he might do something ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Yeah. Well, meanwhile, survivors say the slow, piecemeal release of this information has been painful and re-traumatizing, leaving them unsure of what may surface next. And meanwhile, the Justice Department, to your point, Charlemagne, they have not said exactly what documents they plan to release, only that the disclosure is expected before midnight tonight. So we will see what that looks like. And there's a
Starting point is 00:11:32 change coming that could affect how marijuana is treated under federal law and what doctors are able to do. So yesterday, President Trump, he signed an executive order that starts the process of reclassifying marijuana, making it easier for federal authorities to study its medical use for the first time in decades. Now, right now, marijuana is grouped under the same federal category as heroin and LSD, but this order would move it to a lower category alongside drugs like Tylenol with codeine, meaning it would still be controlled but officially recognized as having medical value and lower risk of a dependency.
Starting point is 00:12:06 And so what that means for consumers, it will remove the barriers to research. So the FDA would be able to fully study marijuana's benefits and risks, especially for people dealing with chronic pain. So over time, it could expand medical options for seniors, veterans, and patients no matter where they live. What it does not do, it does not legalize marijuana nationwide, and it does not allow recreational use. And that distinction is important because while many states have legalized marijuana in some form, it is still illegal at the federal level. Why is it categorized with heroin and all of that? Why is it up there with that?
Starting point is 00:12:42 That's a really good question. It's been like that forever, which is why you see so many people. serving those extra long sentences for marijuana. Yeah. That's crazy. I never knew that. And why just an executive order? I mean, you know, they're in control of everything.
Starting point is 00:12:55 They got the power. Why not legalize it federally right now? That'd be a good distraction today, Trump. Well, that would be an amazing distraction. That would be a great distraction. Forget the executive order. Legalize and legalize it. You know, all across the country federally.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Why not? That'd be fantastic. Absolutely. All right, y'all. Well, coming up at 7. If you've ever applied for a job, you're qualified and you are not hearing back. We'll break down how, I could be getting in the way.
Starting point is 00:13:18 All right. Everybody else, get it off your chest. 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent phone lines wide open, call us up right now. Maybe you're tired. Maybe you was partying out in Atlanta for their jingle board concert. Maybe you just tired because you forgot you was 40-plus years old and you decided to, you know, go from the window to the wall.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Maybe that is true. Whatever it may be, call us up right now. Get it off your chest. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. This is your time to get it off your chest. Whether you're mad or blessed. I hate the way to dress.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Everything with me is blessed. Call up Met, 800, 585, 1051. Not just me. I'm with the coach of feeling. Hello, who's this? Hey, this is Jermaine with Barmei Baca, man. It's my birthday. Jaymey.
Starting point is 00:14:01 What's up? Happy birthday, brother. I have it from you in a minute, brother. Long time. Hey, man, it's been a while, man. Salute to y'all guys, man. Enjoy y'all vacation. Enjoy y'all holiday.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Still a big fan. Just wanted to shout out the brand. Shout out my birthday. It's still sad season. And for my birthday, I would like everybody to go to my social media, barmaevocker.com. I mean, barmaidbock, and everything. And hit the link in the bayon and grab a bottle to me, you know. Happy born, Day King.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Happy birthday, brother. Hello, who's this? Hey, what's up, Envy? Well, hey, what's up, Chabb? Hey, Jeff. What's up, baby? Salomey. Peace, sis.
Starting point is 00:14:40 What's happening? I'm just calling to wish everybody at happy holidays. Even the ones that I have shaped like Santa Claus. I mean, even if you're big, all you all, y'all, y'all too. Hey. That's holidays. Shout out to everybody shaped like Santa Claus, man. You are appreciated.
Starting point is 00:14:56 I don't know why Trave acting like this this morning. Why are you doing that? You'd be bothering me. I'd be minding my business, man, and people just be bothering me. Hey, Trave, leave her. I know what you're talking about. You talk about old girl from Jersey. You better leave her alone.
Starting point is 00:15:09 She's shaped like Santa Claus. Hey, listen. We need her. She got to pull the sleigh. She got to pull the slave. Watch your mouth, Trabb. The rain didn't pull the sleigh, Tray. Watch your mouth.
Starting point is 00:15:21 But y'all, happy holidays. I wish everybody and Merry Christmas. Yes, sir. And when I'm going to be back? February. I'm starting my only fans. Um, I don't know. You come back January 6th.
Starting point is 00:15:35 For real? You're sure? January 6. Okay, January 6th. Let me look at my schedule. Yeah, you got to look at my schedule, too. Yes, January 6th. All right.
Starting point is 00:15:43 Well, we have a Merry, Merry, Merry, Christmas and a happy new year we got a bunch of best we have a best of best of the beautiful thing about breakfast club we got 15 years of content so you know there's a lot of things that y'all may have not have heard before that's right things that you might want to hear again you know so you'll be a right we got some new stuff in in the in the tuck too yeah and we got some things that we're going to be doing at least for like the you know first few days of vacation that's right i mean and you know you can follow all of us on social media that's right Get it off your chest.
Starting point is 00:16:16 800-585-105-1. If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. It's a new day. This is your time to get it off your chest. Wait. Wake up.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Whether you're mad or blast. It's time to get up and get something. Call up now. 800-585-105-1. We want to hear from you on the breakfast club. Hello, who's this? Yo, the T.O.3. 803, Metro.
Starting point is 00:16:40 What are you? What year was you born? Yes, sir. How was you born? 86 man okay 86 all right yeah so you you was there
Starting point is 00:16:48 you was there for the Lord John Aaron then the end of it oh yeah man there you know yeah yeah little John
Starting point is 00:16:54 um hypnotized count potter all that oh come on now oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah hey but Shalaman
Starting point is 00:17:00 I got a question man I know you you got a couple restaurant but um how would you feel if you was to go
Starting point is 00:17:06 in a restaurant and order your food then you look in the back you see the man but they couldn't but he got on a pajama pan man
Starting point is 00:17:12 I don't look like that He got to, he got to, he got to, he got to go home and change. He might, he might, he might get fired. That's crazy. Yeah, man, it's, hey, I'm letting everybody know where's, bus, South Carolina. Y'all know who I'm talking about. Man, tell that man to put some pans on, man. And start serving some warm, fine, man, the fry be so cold.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I ain't never went there, got no hot fry, man. How do the food, though? Oh, you said the, you know, you got hot fries? I mean, the food, all right. You know what I'm going to tell your food. So they'll let you know right there, who they is. But tell that man to put some pans on. man, I'm trying to look at that day.
Starting point is 00:17:45 He got on Stewart Griffin pajamas, man. Not Stewie Griffin pajamas, man. Yeah, man, Stuart, every time, man. Man, why all the time's up? The same pajamas is crazy. Does he own the place or just a chef? Yeah, no, he owned the place. Well, that's different.
Starting point is 00:17:59 See, that's a different conversation. Even though I still think he should be looking apart, but that's a different conversation if he owned the place. He's comfortable. The food's still good, though, right? I mean, it's all right, man. The price change. Every time you order stuff, man.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Put some pans on, man. Clean that shit on that flour. on that shirt, no more Stuart Griffin on pajama pants, man, come on them. Damn, man. Goodbye.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Yeah, Wednesday. Let them know. Yes, sir. Hello, who's this? Good morning, my breakfast club family.
Starting point is 00:18:26 It's your boy, Lovey from the Bronx. Lovey from the Bronx. But morning, my family, I just want to shout out to my whole family. I want you to enjoy
Starting point is 00:18:34 your vacation. Shout out to Taylor. I'm glad Taylor's back. Taylor, gang. Yes. But I do want to shout out this. My first birthday is three days after.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Christmas. And I know a lot of the Christmas days get slided around this time. So all our senior parents, keep your head up, do what you can. And don't OD. Do you. Don't OD on what? Gifts. What you mean? Like, yeah, OD on gifts. You could OD on love, but not what I got you.
Starting point is 00:19:01 You know, this time of year, the domestic violence goes up, suicide rate goes up, so I'm just asking my people just to amp down a little bit. You heard? I think what we should be telling people is, you're not wrong, but also just remind people the reason for the season. That's right.
Starting point is 00:19:16 You know? I don't believe this was Jesus' birthday, but, you know, if we're going to have Christ in Christmas, you know, at least act like it. Please. And for the lady I shouted out screaming on Trabb, Trabb's part of the breakfast club, V-I-C. I need you to get off the next.
Starting point is 00:19:33 That's my bro. Right, right. That's right. Justice for Tread. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, Lovie. Peace, Lovie.
Starting point is 00:19:40 You know what I realized, too? I'm not good at Christmas gifts, bro. Bye. because I just would I don't care like I grew up Jehovah Witness like I can't get into the habit of like going to do that type of stuff I rather you just oh I enjoy it
Starting point is 00:19:52 I love getting my kids my wife my mother my father I love getting people gifts yeah I'm not good at that though you grew up celebrating Christmas he didn't though he probably like oh I don't care not even a little bit and see I like to listen to people so I like to listen
Starting point is 00:20:08 what they need or what they want so I like to surprise it oh I love it that's my favorite time That's what I don't do I don't be listening Yeah My oldest daughter Hit me with a list You know
Starting point is 00:20:19 It was a list For like my wife I'm like what you're giving me that for Y'all go figure that out Damn What you mean What the hell is wrong with you Go figure that out
Starting point is 00:20:28 You know who Go figure that out You got people you can call Go call your aunt I thought you was No dad I thought you was talking about Like your friends
Starting point is 00:20:36 Oh no no I'm talking about The family What's wrong with you Wow His kids come with it Yeah you better call your aunt No, I mean, like, go figure that out.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Y'all go, y'all go, y'all got you, y'all can go figure that out. You the dad! Yes, what are you talking about? They got their own money, too. They can go figure that out, is all I'm saying. And daddy got it. Go figure it out is what I don't have time. Don't bother me with it is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Go figure that out. You know who to call. See, that's crazy. If my nine-year-old come with a list, mom's going to get a mug. But that's my, that's not what I mean? That's different. The kids come with the list. mom handles everything for the kids
Starting point is 00:21:13 but when it comes to the stuff for the adults it's like y'all y'all go handle that man you don't want to be bothered at all I don't even know how how about that that he's right because he ordered all types of stuff from Timo and Sheen yeah he was right
Starting point is 00:21:26 I'm a cool Andy person okay I like Sheen I found a news like the other day I got two outfits for 75 out This guy's crazy he's going to watch it once it's going to fit Taylor all right
Starting point is 00:21:38 get it off your chest I'm going to show Lauren Oh my goodness Go ahead go ahead go to commercial All right well That was get it all for your chest Now when we come back We got the latest
Starting point is 00:21:47 Let me tell you about Lauren I'm down here working Lauren sends me a three page list of questions To ask artists I'm gonna run into Damn He was in the hallway So exactly
Starting point is 00:21:59 But I did and I started everyone Lauren asked me Lauren told me to ask you this question It didn't come from me In one of the interviews He said Lauren And somebody I don't know if it was the artist if it was Nellie or who it was.
Starting point is 00:22:11 It was like, oh, man. I'm like, dang. So we're going to get into them interviews in this first hour because NVR, you've been taking us to Atlanta all morning, so we're going to, we're going to do this to the interviews. Look at them two nice sets. $110.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Do they look like $110? $56. This is your chance. Yeah, this is your chance. Get them back. Get them back. $56 a piece. I can't even really see it.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Are you sure this is a real site? Oh, they got a shopify. Okay. The pictures are so blurry. It looks like. It's clean. It's just some nice cleanses. It's just clean. $56.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Take me to the real website, Charming. Oh my goodness. Did you show your wife that before you checked out? No. Oh my goodness. We got the latest with Lauren. Ladies with Lauren coming up next. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Lauren becoming a straight fast. Tell her. She gets them from somebody that knows somebody. She gets the details. I'm the home girl that knows a little bit about everything. She'd be having the latest on this. The latest with Lauren La Rosa. Lauren La Rosa.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Sometimes you have facts, sometimes you have details, sometimes you have a little bit everything. Well, it's the latest. On the breakfast club. Talk to me. So Envy is down in Atlanta, one of our sister stations, 961, the B-8TL, had their jingle ball. Blue Talk guy, Louis V down there, man. Shout out to Louis V and the team down there.
Starting point is 00:23:28 So Envy was on the ground, and I shot him some questions to ask some of the artists. Some questions. Three pages of questions. There's like a lot of artists. You have Molly, Big X, a plug. Belligaine Cushington, Mariah the Sines Nellie, Boss Mandela, Little John and Friends, and the Friends is a lot of
Starting point is 00:23:44 friends. Kaylani, Germaine DePri, and Friends. So I had to get you right. So Envi ran into Nelly backstage and they talked a bit about a few things. The first thing that they talked, well, not the first thing, but one of the things that they talked about was the fact that, you all remember Nellie
Starting point is 00:24:00 and Ashanti were trying to figure out where they live, live at? No. No? Okay. You don't know what he lived? So they have a couple different houses, different places. When they were here and also on their reality show, the conversation was, you know, Shanti's a New York girl,
Starting point is 00:24:12 and Nellie loves to be in the South, he loves to touch his grass and have his backyard, so there was a back and forth about that. So while they're to self-celebrating this concert, Envy and him had a conversation about where they ended up landing home-wise. Let's take a listen.
Starting point is 00:24:25 She also wanted to know. She said, holiday time is here. She said, you gave Ashanti everything. What are you doing for Christmas? Is there anything different? And did she finally get you to move to New York? Because she wanted to go back home, and she said he wasn't letting up.
Starting point is 00:24:37 We always got a place in New York. Obviously, she's from there. Her family's from there. And listen, don't get it twisted. I love New York. You live there a little time. I love New York. I just can't live there.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Okay. I just need some trees and some grass and some... Hey, it's a cold out there, too. Yeah, you know, I think it's a good thing for both of us to have that diversity to be able to go back and forth and things like that. And I think our families love it because her family was just down for my black and white ball that we just had where I quote unquote put Metro on the spot. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:25:06 But, you know, and they loved it. That was their second time down there, man. And, you know, we get a chance to enjoy both cities. Yeah. What's up? I'm with Nelly. I'm with Nelly with that. I don't like to live in New York because I like, I like the country, too.
Starting point is 00:25:21 But it's cool. Now, I've always on the book. So you wrote these questions and gave him to envy? You know I didn't ask that question. I'm not going to ask, hey, I'm a hell of this issue. Where would you rather be? These questions, but you'd be good at those. I think he's blaming this all over.
Starting point is 00:25:36 No. No, I sent it in a text. Don't do that. No, sassy if you can get... Go ahead, Laura. So they also, speaking of, they also talked a bit about Metro Brooming and the album,
Starting point is 00:25:49 because you remember, it just got announced that his ball that Metro Buman was going to be doing the first St. Lundit's album in like 25 plus years, and people were excited to hear that. So I wanted to know how far they've actually gotten,
Starting point is 00:26:00 or was he just at the party lit and just let us know on accident? Let's take a listen to Nellie on Metro. Now, I got a Boston, New York. Her name is Lauren La Rosa, right? She was like, you're going to see Nellie. Oh, man. So you've got to ask Nellie these questions.
Starting point is 00:26:10 She wanted to know Metro boom in the album. How did that album come together? You know, Metro's from the Loo. Yep. Legend, you know, we thought he's been a fan of ours for a long time. And, you know, it turned to us being a fan of his. So it just came together, man. It's a beautiful thing, man.
Starting point is 00:26:26 He's always representing the Loo, representing where we're from. And we thought it would be dope to put that Metro, St. Lunatics together and see what we can come up with. How many records have done so far? We ain't done none We just got it together We just got it together No no no I didn't put him on the spot We had already talked about it
Starting point is 00:26:44 A few times We had always talked about working We never really got the chance You know fortunately enough He's been doing a lot Fortunate enough we had been doing a lot Being on the road and all of that And it's just about getting in
Starting point is 00:26:55 And putting it together But we decided yeah man We could talk about it Because we definitely is something we're gonna do You know first of all That was a great question Lauren Second of all I don't know why A DJ who plays music
Starting point is 00:27:06 can't ask a question about the album. Third of all, I didn't know Metro Bowman was from St. Louis. I didn't know he was from St. Louis either. A lot of people identify him with Atlanta. But he does a lot there. Like, he does a lot in a whole lot in the community. He's very intentional about making sure he gives back to St. Louis, and he's been doing it for some time.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I don't know why. He's very synonymous with Atlanta. I was going to say, I don't know why that happens. Yeah. And it wasn't just one question. It was nine questions. Envy will preface that. He'll preface that question.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Hey, man, what about you in Metro Booman? But hey, what did you get Ashanti? for Christmas, Bay. They cut that part out. They cut that part out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It gets a little bit more into the things. Because y'all remember they were coming
Starting point is 00:27:44 for Nelly when that clip from their reality show, Jim and Ashanti's reality show dropped, and he was talking about not changing pamper's. Let's take a listen to Envy and him having a rich dad conversation. Nellie does not change Pampers. And when he said that, no, I said, I'm not mad at that. He has a nanny that does it. 24-hour nanny.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Well, let's be clear. I have changed pamper. Even when I made that statement, I have changed pamper. So you know how to change pamper. My thing is, of course I do. I know one hand with a remote and everything else. But my thing was that, you know, when you get to a certain age, I would probably say certain things because who changed your pamper at three months?
Starting point is 00:28:27 You don't remember. Probably nine people. It doesn't make a difference in your life. The fact that people act like changing pamphers makes a difference in your life. in your life. That was just amazing to me. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.
Starting point is 00:28:53 We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors, were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures.
Starting point is 00:29:21 It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to what happened in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. May 24th, 1990, a pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it ripped through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.
Starting point is 00:30:01 In season two of Rip Current, we asked, who tried to kill it. She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area,
Starting point is 00:30:27 but more than it was the culture, it was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking. taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier, and Dave Desteno from How God Works and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty. Here's how it works. You donate to give directly, and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need, because those families
Starting point is 00:31:27 know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees or starting a small business. With that support, families can invest in their future and build lasting change. So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. Head to give directly.org slash happiness lab to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself. But alongside others, I'm Mike De La Rocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing.
Starting point is 00:32:11 What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it. And, you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as peoples just breathe. Next to the wound is zero gifts. You can't even find your guests unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing.
Starting point is 00:32:35 You think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the My Kutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Radhi Dvlukaya, and I am the host of a really good cry podcast.
Starting point is 00:33:00 This week, I am joined by Anna. Runkle, also known as the crappy childhood fairy, a creator, teacher, and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story, what helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in, and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw on my teeth. I was
Starting point is 00:33:36 unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait. They could kill me and I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this. And I did. Listen to a really good cry on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I've never seen anybody go to the moon because an astronaut changed their diaper. Envy sounds like a disgruntled baby mama. Nellie does not change diapers.
Starting point is 00:34:06 That was nine questions she asked me. It's Luther Ferraris Simmons and BT from 96.1, January. They was with me. But she asked me to ask a bunch of questions. To the point, young thug was there last night with Mariah the scientist. She's going to text me. Young thug is there. Go see if you can find them.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Go see if you can find them. Because I know they had you everywhere, so I'm like, listen, I know you got to like host and bring our artists, but young thug and Mariah Zontzzi has just got. engaged, and I am not there. We were just standing in the hallway watching niggins. She had me chasing them.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Because I was trying to make sure I was here and planted for, I'm getting my life together on, like, outside of work. So I need to be home. No. What you're looking at? Why you look like that, man? Why you're looking up and down? Them force is kind of filthy. They're a little dead dash. Wow. You're not doing me.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Wow. You're not doing me. Wow. You're not doing. Shout out to J.D. Sports, baby. This is only the third where. Shout out to J.D. Sports on the forces. It just made me think about it because you're talking
Starting point is 00:35:02 about Nellie and I just happened to look and you got on some filthy forces. That's all. You are so childish. Like very much.
Starting point is 00:35:11 You couldn't find nothing else. Thank you, Envy, for running around for me. My horses look like they've been doing the running, I guess. Bring mama back her money, Envy.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Yo, I wish you can see some of these questions. When you just sent your whole ass on the scroll, bring Mama back her money. She definitely did. I mean, there's a bunch of questions
Starting point is 00:35:28 she asked. Ask how it's important to spend time. holiday time together. Ask Bow Wow about his new music and Bow Wow excited to go on tour. Ask Little John. I'm like, I'm not doing all this. I don't see that wrong with it. I had you didn't even, we didn't even get like Little John
Starting point is 00:35:42 audio. That would have been good. They would have woke us up this morning, I'm sure. Oh man. Yeah, well we had some audio from the performances as well too, but we didn't get a chance to play them and wrapping up this hour. So if you guys want to take a listen, go to the BATL on or look on BATO on Instagram. They have recaps there as well too. And in the next hour, I'm going to take you guys into Tori Lane's first interview live
Starting point is 00:36:02 from behind bars since he's been locked up for the shooting of Meg Nostalia. You went to the jail and interviewed Toyland? No, she didn't send me to the jail. I didn't do that. No, NBC News with, not NB. All right, when we come back,
Starting point is 00:36:18 we got front page news, so don't go anywhere as the breakfast club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just hilarious. Sholomaine Nagar. We are the Breakfast Club. Let's get back in some front page news. It does a night football. The Hall of Seahawks beat the Rams last night, 38 to 37. Now, tonight is the fight.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Shulham, man, you watching the fight? Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua? Come on, man. Listen, let me tell you something. Not only am I absolutely watching the fight, I have been looking forward to this fight because Jake Paul is the type of white boy I like. I like white boys that aren't afraid to die.
Starting point is 00:36:46 What you mean? Okay, and tonight is an extreme, extreme, extreme sport. Okay. Tonight is going to be fantastic to watch Anthony Joshua versus Jake Paul in Miami on Netflix at 8 p.m. I am there. Something must happen because he don't look scared. But that's the beauty of it. You don't got to look scared to do something to scream like this.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Did Nate Robinson look scared before he got in the ring with Jake Paul? I don't think Nate Robinson expected what was going to happen. I think if he knew he would have probably looked a little scared. Well, Jake Paul, I'm sure. He knows what's going to happen. First of all, Anthony Joshua is not some old washed-up boxer. This is a gold medal winning Olympic champion, okay? Not to mention a two-time heavyweight champion who's only 35, 36 years old.
Starting point is 00:37:28 All right. And AJ puts people to sleep. Oh, boy. You'll see. All right. Well, we'll see tonight. What's up, Mimi? Good morning, Mb.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Josh Alamein. How y'all doing? Good. Peace, Mimi. All right, so we start this hour with the major development at the Brown University, that shooting investigation. So please say the suspected gunman, Claudio Manuel Valente, a 48-year-old former Brown graduate, who attended the university 25 years ago, has been found dead from a self-infled gunshot wound inside a stone. inside a storage unit in Salem, New Hampshire, ending a six-day multi-state manhut. Now, authorities believe that same man was also responsible for killing a MIT professor shot
Starting point is 00:38:09 at his home just two days after the Brown attack. Now, investigators say a tip from a member of the public was a turning point in the case that Tipster identified only as John in a police affidavit. They told authorities that he had several unsettling encounters with the suspect near Brown University, including inside the engineering building just hours before the shooting. John, he later recognized that suspect in the surveillance images released by the police, and he shared key details with the police. Now, Rhode Island DA, he said that it was that tip that blew the case wide open.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Let's listen to what he had to say. That person came forward to two Providence police officers over on the east side and said he had information that could help this case. And he blew this case right open. That person led us to the car, which led us to the name, which led us to the photographs of that individual, renting the car, which matched the clothing of our shooter here in Providence, that matched the satchel. He was found dead with a satchel with two firearms and evidence in the car that matches exactly what we see at the scene here in province. Well, police have not identified a motive for either attack around that shooting, of course, it left two students dead, nine others injured during final exams, shaking the community. And just this morning, Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noem, she is chiming in, writing on X that Valenti was granted U.S. status through the diversity visa lottery program.
Starting point is 00:39:47 She said the Department of Homeland Security is now pausing that program immediately, saying the move is meant to ensure that no more Americans are harmed. Dang. So, yeah. So we'll see what happens with that. But I'm glad that they caught that suspect and that I'm sure that community can rest easy this morning. I wonder how that feels. Like, you know, no, I don't want to know how that feels. But I'm just saying, like, you know, because you want the person to be caught, but you also want, like.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Justice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's the first thing I thought about when they said they found the suspect dead is, you know, people were, you know, there's so many answers. So we have so many questions, yeah. Yeah, left unanswered.
Starting point is 00:40:28 So, you know, we'll see. The police said the investigation is not over, even though that suspect was found. They will still continue to probe and try and figure out what that motive exactly was. So sad. So we'll continue to follow that. Yeah. And switching gears, too, if you've ever applied for a job, knew you were qualified and never heard anything back, this may explain why.
Starting point is 00:40:47 So right now, many companies, they're using AI to screen resumes. So before a hiring manager ever looks at your application, A computer program decides who moves forward and who doesn't. So multiple studies show that those systems don't treat everyone equally. And researchers have found that there are names like Jamal or Aisha or Keisha. They were more likely to be filtered out than identical resumes with names like Jake or Emily when those qualifications were exactly the same. And so once the algorithm, it screens someone, that decision is often final, no interview, no follow-up, no explanation.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Now, lawmakers say that is the core problem, and that's why Democratic Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, along with Congresswoman Ayana Presley, and several lawmakers, they are pushing a bill called the AI Civil Rights Act. Now, the goal of the bill is simple. It puts guardrails on how AI is used in major life decisions, including job applications, loans, housing, and health care. They say that, you know, AI, it picks up historical data, so it reflects those longstanding biases. Instead of fixing any quality technology can quietly repeat it faster and at a much larger scale. And so they say that that has also been seen in loan applications, insurance decisions, and other digital tools where people with like black sounding names receive different outcomes than others. So yeah. What's a black sounding name?
Starting point is 00:42:13 I just gave it to you. She told you. Yeah. Jamal, they were saying that those names, they get flagged much faster than a Jake or an Emily. That's crazy. Okay. What's wrong with Jamal? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Tatiana don't stand a chance. We met a Topiana the other day. Remember Tatiana came in here? Salute to Tatiana. Yeah, for sure. All right, y'all. Well, that is your front page news. I am Mimi Brown.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Follow me at Mimi Brown TV. For more stories, follow the Black Information Network. Download the free IHeartRadio app or visit VINNews.com. Peace, Mimi. All right. Thank you, Mimi. Happy holidays. Same to you.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Hey, see you next year. See you next year. All right. Now, when we come back, Pap Pooze and Clarissa Shields will be joining us. Pab has a new album that's out right now. Clarissa's fighting soon. We're going to talk to both of them when we come back. So don't go anywhere.
Starting point is 00:43:06 It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Salomey and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Laurelores is here as well.
Starting point is 00:43:14 And we got a special guest in the building. Papoose, Papoose. What's going on? Peace. What's up, brother? How you feeling, man? I think it was great, man. So you just celebrated your daughter's birth to the other day?
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah, I did. McDonald's party? Yeah, she turned seven years old. That's nice, man. Beautiful thing, man. Enjoy, they get big fast. Happen so fast, man. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:43:32 So, yeah, it's a blessing. I feel like you should have been did Bars on Wheels. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. That's a fact. That's a fact. What is Bars on Wheels, first of all? Yeah, so Bars on Wheels, the journey to save hip hop, man.
Starting point is 00:43:43 It's me basically taking what I was doing on Instagram to the next level. I mean, so sometimes when I posted videos and me driving in the car rapping, some people go in the comments, And they'd be like, okay, but where's he going? So I'm like, you know what? Why are you going to? See, there you go. So I'm on a journey to save hip hop. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:44:00 So that's the name of the project, man. And I didn't want to just do it as an album. I wanted to do it as a short film and just do something that was never done before. You know, you've always prided yourself on just being a pure lyricist. And, you know, everybody likes to do the melodies and the vibes, more than the bars. What do you think lyric first rappers need to do to stay culturally relevant without compromising the craft? I think just be themselves, man I think nobody can do you better than you
Starting point is 00:44:24 You know what I'm saying? Like you're the only one with your DNA And you gotta utilize that Sometimes people try to go outside of themselves And you're cheating yourself Because you could have just been yourself And you never know what the outcome could it be So to answer the question is just be yourself man
Starting point is 00:44:38 So when you write today Are you just trying to outwrap everybody Or you just more focused on saying something meaningful Because you've always said meaningful things In your lives too Nah man It's just I studied the crap I practiced my craft so long
Starting point is 00:44:50 that it comes out like that pause. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to outwrap nobody. It happens naturally. You know I'm saying to be honest. Now, I know the project is all about saving hip-hop, but at the end of your visual, you basically flip it where it's like you can't save hip-hop.
Starting point is 00:45:04 And one of the things that you show without giving too much of it is the conversation around, like, you know, the drugs and things that infiltrated the culture. So first of all, I guess, you know, obvious question is, why would you, why include that? And then second question, to that is if we can't save hip hop then what's your real mission like how are you so you know um i think that played a major part to the demise about of our culture about hip hop you know rest
Starting point is 00:45:29 and peace to guys like mac miller young artists who's just dying from from drug overdose i think all of those things man where they glorified use using drugs and you got kids old odin on it so i just wanted to shine a light on that and create awareness to talk about it and um as far as at the end then when i said you know can't save them you know you got to watch part two to see the uh to continue to get the conclusion of that. But that's how I feel sometimes, man. Like, when I say I'm on a journey to save hip hop, I'm a part of the culture.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Like, I live this for real. So anytime I step in front of the microphone, that's my goal to elevate the game. But it feels helpless sometimes, man. You know what I'm saying? So how do we change that, right? Because, of course, hip hop took a turn, right? Where, you know, the sellers became the users
Starting point is 00:46:12 and that whole thing. But it was still a place where there was negativity in hip hop, which kind of hurt hip hop, right? It didn't have to be OD and brothers getting to jail. But I felt like there is a strong line of negative and positive when it comes to it. You feel like that positive is not being heard anymore? It's not even that. I just feel like, you know, I feel like negative and positive exists in life, period.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Sometimes people put too much on hip-hop. Like, they got to stop. And if a cat gets stuck in the tree, all these rappers rapping about cats getting stuck in the trees, this is why this happened. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like people blame hip-hop. for things that actually go on in America. America has a problem with violence and all that. When hip hop was positive, I seen negativity going on.
Starting point is 00:46:55 So I don't blame hip hop for those things. Actually, I feel like hip hop saved a lot of lives. You know how many jobs? Y'all wouldn't even be sitting here. That's right. So when people like to blame hip hop for negative things, you know, I don't look at it like that. I look at it like, we have those issues living in this country, period.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I saw Robin Roberts ask 50 about the Diddy Doc. She was like, is this an indictment of hip-hop or something? Like, what hip hop got to do it? Nothing. Right, right. Yeah, see, they always dragging hip. If you notice that, and I think... No other genre.
Starting point is 00:47:23 No, I think part of the reason why that happened is because they don't like that. You know, black billionaires and millionaires are being made out of this. So I think while we got our own kind putting hip hop down so much, they need to be aware of that. How was your perspective on the streets change, Pap, not that you're, you know, older and just more reflective. You know, as soon as you walked in and be wanted to remind you of when you used to put hands on people, you know? I didn't say it like that, but I didn't say it like that. You're talking about World Star. That's his path.
Starting point is 00:47:49 It's a world star. It's nothing to do with Cap. I was talking about something completely different. You're the worst. I mean, that's it. What was your question? I have. How was your perspective on the streets changed?
Starting point is 00:48:00 When you say streets change, what you mean, though? Just being, just being an older person, you can reflect on, you know, how things used to be. Things used to glorify. That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah. I respect it, man. I respect, and I love growth.
Starting point is 00:48:12 I think it's very important. I embrace it. I'm all about positivity. bro, you know what I'm saying? If you look at me, you know what I mean? You see me like NB said, I got my history, but when they really put the light on me, I said, what, black love?
Starting point is 00:48:25 Something positive, man. I don't wear that the street shit on my sleeve. I don't need to. You know what I'm saying? I always showcase my talent, you know what I mean? And something positive about uplifting our people. So if you could speak to these young men
Starting point is 00:48:37 who idolized the street life, what would you tell them about the real cost of that life? Yeah, I would say, don't do it. It's not worth it. You know what I'm saying? But I always tell my, young brother's who I see in the street and I always try to point this out to them you know look at look at look at look around at your crew and I got to be
Starting point is 00:48:55 honest with them all y'all not going to make it out you know how many you know how many individuals I grow with us when I was younger they did not here no more I'm sure you got homies like that they like they literally lost their lives and at the time when y'all was together y'all was hanging out y'all was running in the street you never thought that they would be gone so I always tell them you look around some one of y'all or two or maybe three you're not going to make it it might be you so if you think that's worth it continue in the street but it's not worth it bro so you know get out of that you mentioned um black love earlier i know clarissa's here as well um but i wanted to go back to that time period
Starting point is 00:49:30 i wanted to go back to that time period because i feel like for the longest time prior to your relationship now you and remi were like the emblem of like black love positivity and then everything just switched publicly and i know you talk about even in hip-hop like, you know, how things are thrown on hip-hop and thrown on us negatively. When that moment was happening publicly with you and Remy, what was Papu's feeling because it was so positive
Starting point is 00:49:56 for so long and it kind of just changed everything. What were you feeling as everything started to happen online? It was corny. It was corny. It was corny. It's always corny to do social media. Who wants that? Who wants to be a part of the circus? So I just felt like it was corny. You got
Starting point is 00:50:12 attacked for Black Love early on. Wow. Somebody said it. No, you did. No, we used to have conversations about what love and why we show love. And we had, you know, behind the scenes conversation. But you got to attack for it. When you got attacked for, why did you think you got attack for showing and expressing love to the individual you were with?
Starting point is 00:50:31 Like, why do you think that happened and why you keep going? It's a couple of different things. So initially, when she became incarcerated, they was killing me. It was like, yo, he's holding her down. He's an idiot. He's dumb. All this bo' shit, right? I didn't care, though, because that was my real life at the time.
Starting point is 00:50:49 And then as it progressed, one time Double Excel had reached out to me, and they was like, yo, we want to follow you one day and document your journey, like, what's going on with you? And they followed me to the supermarket. I went and got groceries for her, you know what I'm saying? Then I went on the visit, brought the groceries. They sat on a visit with me, and they put out that article. When they put out that article, it kind of changed. The outlook kind of changed for a high second.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Everybody was like, wow, they couldn't believe it. And it was cool. I kept going, but what you kind of talk about is when we did love and hip hop. That's what you think the change happened? Yeah, well, you had mixed. It was mixed. You know what I'm saying? Like, the women were embracing it.
Starting point is 00:51:26 But I go through the Toad booth and I go get a dude my money because they ain't have the, um. Easy pass back. Right. And he'd be like, oh, man, you're fucking in my household, man. My woman told my, I didn't. By being a good man? Yeah, my woman told my, I need to be more like you. It's your change, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:51:43 So the dudes was always hating, but the women, older women, all different age groups, they always embraced it. And then you did your own spin-off, the black love spin-off, which you guys had more creative control over at the time, right? Yeah. So if you felt like kind of the tide was changing when you guys got on reality TV, why was it important for you to do that, like, second installment? Because, you know, the opportunity was there to show more of us. You know, when you're on loving hip-hop, you just got, like, a segment. You know what I'm saying? So it was just that.
Starting point is 00:52:12 And people wanted to see more of us at that time. He was like, all right, cool, let's do it. I think we did the holiday special first, and then it went from there. But going back to what you were saying earlier, like, when I first shot it, I was like, oh, they're about to kill me, man. When they come out, because people never saw that side of me, you know what I'm saying? But it was surprisingly people embraced it. I think the world was tired of seeing our culture getting put down, drinks getting thrown on each other and just the bad stigma on our relationships, you know what I'm saying? Do you ever regret it at all putting that much of your life on camera?
Starting point is 00:52:40 I don't. I don't regret it at all because it was real. It wasn't like Nothing was rehearsed Nothing was scripted People just saw what was going on At that time But you know
Starting point is 00:52:48 The thing with it It's like I get it But now people are so dialed Into your life Yeah So now there is no moment Where it's like
Starting point is 00:52:55 Hold on Let me figure this Because now You show me this You show me the baby You show me the one year old party You show me the dance You show me this
Starting point is 00:53:02 I love that But then when it's like When you say You know what I need to take a break They're like now You can't take a break No no no
Starting point is 00:53:08 I love it I'll tell you why See This is what happens With celebrities And I kind of said this before when it's all good right when
Starting point is 00:53:16 when you're buying entire your career you're watching the TV show y'all come into the performances the appearances the walkthroughs I bring you in the room when my daughter is born you come to the wedding you see everything right okay and then soon as something happened with these celebrities what's the first thing they say
Starting point is 00:53:32 y'all don't know me like that I want my space y'all know what's going on in my life correct so I'm glad that I gave y'all an open book so when someone wants to lie on me you guys had been there all along y'all seen this shit so that's all now there was one thing that came out of that and you said you wrote 90% of remi's rap including conceited was that true no comment man you know what I'm saying I wish you're the best and that's that's what I'm saying I'm saying like I said earlier I never wanted to be a part
Starting point is 00:54:00 of that but sometimes your hand is forced you know what I'm saying you got to you got to do what you got to do but I wish you're the best man I you know I got I got an amazing best friend in my life right now and um we're happy man somebody said you know that was a repressing media, it was a hard time because we know y'all. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like, no, but y'all know us,
Starting point is 00:54:19 but sometimes people pretend like they don't know us. That's what you get on my nerves. I think for most of people, like, what happened? Like, I mean, like I said, y'all was there every step of the way. Y'all was there when I was riding up there to the prison. Y'all seen me fighting court officers getting thrown out of the courtroom.
Starting point is 00:54:36 It was in the newspapers. You know what I'm saying? Y'all seen everything. How can I come to y'all and say something didn't happen? y'all got to stop man like come on so that's i think during that time well i know for myself i just wanted y'all to fix it because i've known y'all so long and not fix the relationship just the friendship the parents it just fixed that part that's what that's that takes time like it's it's a divorce it's not something that just happens overnight you know what i'm saying but
Starting point is 00:55:02 people life don't stop because of that you know what i mean it's papers it's time it's all this stuff that got to happen but at the end of the day we move forward with our lives like i wish it like i said I wish you the best. Yeah, for sure. We got some great, amazing things going on. Like I said, it's my best friend right here, man. We live in our life. We've been together over a year and a half now.
Starting point is 00:55:21 It'd be two years next year in September. We have at the end of the year. Some of this stuff is just so old. You know, it's so old to talk about, to bring up, to keep harping on it. It's like they're separated. She got somebody, too. Like, don't act like it's just over here. Like, she's happy.
Starting point is 00:55:40 We're happy. And that's it. like i don't know is it cordial is it cordial or you just like i'm just it is what it is i'm always cordial bro i'm cordial i'm cordial with everybody like come on bro i'm i'm not problematic man you know y'all you all can i ask y'all question man you've evolved let me just go out and say why was something having y'all like y'all don't know people like envy i know envie got dogs he's a dj he from queens so when somebody come over here and say uh i saw mby doing x y's I've been watching this for 20-something years.
Starting point is 00:56:12 I never heard that next to his name. Like, certain things they can't put on your jacket. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know, he speaks about mental health. You know what I mean? He's into different things. He's into his relationship with his wife. If I've been watching this man 15 years, like certain things on my hair,
Starting point is 00:56:26 Charleney did that, man. A rap of a, tell me a guy who's up here rapping, and Charlemagne told him to his face, you whack. I'm going to say he did that. You can't, hold, let me finish. You can't just come with some, left field that I never heard 20 years of me following this man career
Starting point is 00:56:43 since he was on Wendy Williams Nah, that don't go with him Rumored Pat Poo's punching somebody in the face I believe it Why you keep doing that? I'm saying it I've seen it! I don't believe it when I've seen it
Starting point is 00:56:57 God Dang But to your point and Champ I know you mentioned like it's old but I think the reason why people bring it back up is because we saw so much and we knew you
Starting point is 00:57:06 and then when everything happened there's claims of like you cheating and like all these things and we're like That's what I'm saying. Like, if it's a new artist, I get it. We don't know them. All this years, incarcerated, all this, never been on my name, ever.
Starting point is 00:57:20 You can't just add. Y'all was out here with me. I was coming to the old school. That is a good point that Pat make it because, come on. All of them years she was incarcerated, we never heard the Pat. All of a sudden, boom, out of the street. All of a sudden, boom, out of nowhere. A asteroid hit.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Like, come on, man. So that didn't happen because she said she had, like, got into it with somebody over some allegations. and like I said man I wish you're the best man me speaking about that it goes into like a hole and I ain't here to do that you know what I mean Clarissa I know on your side of it
Starting point is 00:57:49 like people always like push back because it's like he's still married and he's this and you're like they're separated we're happy for you trying to move forward in this new relationship like how tough is that when that conversation comes up for you I don't know why they act like people don't get divorced it's the craziest thing to me like everything
Starting point is 00:58:04 the most thing that happens in life people like we don't understand is breakups and relationships You can never, you're never going to break up with your family because they're your blood. You got to deal with them. Your mama, your daddy, your crazy sister, your outrageous cousin. But when it comes to a relationship, that breaks up all the time. Marriage is in all the time. Divorces happen.
Starting point is 00:58:22 I don't know why it's like, oh, divorce is impossible when they don't, when it's divorce filed, public, whatever the heck that was. It's like, and we're together all the time every single day. Ebony Awards, fights. walkouts at home cooking like it's harder for the fans that followed them to let go than it is for them I feel like I will say this though
Starting point is 00:58:49 I will say this because I don't think this is wrong towards anybody I will say this none of that is true man I come from a big family like if you really follow me and you're not just around for the gossip you see my daughter you see my sisters you see my mother
Starting point is 00:59:04 you see so many beautiful women in my life who love me to death I mean not only because I was there for them when they need me, I fought all their battles. I don't just do it for the person that I'm with. I do this for my children. I've had to put hands on my daughter's boyfriends to protect them. I'm being honest.
Starting point is 00:59:22 I'm a protector, bro, and the provider. So anything outside of that, it doesn't go. But I think the main thing I think it doesn't add up. When the fans follow your life, like you said, we don't know what goes on. We only know what we see. And then all of a sudden on Tuesday, we start seeing these tweets,
Starting point is 00:59:39 tweets and these Instagram posts. We're like, what the... But that's not how it happened, though. See, that's another part of the one. I know, but you said it earlier, right? You said, yo, Pat putting hands on somebody, right? Y'all seen all of this shit right in front of your face.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Yeah, and you're out about it. None of this was said when that's all this was going on. See, y'all making me get into this shit. I don't want to do it. I got that green. I think you're trying to figure out clarity because there's, like, so many questions because it's like one day, literally,
Starting point is 01:00:03 you just wake up and then, boom, we're in a tech. But that's not what happened, though. I don't know why y'all starting it from there. Okay, so let's back up Because what you're referring to Is the allegations that she was cheating I don't even want to Like I said, I wish her the best
Starting point is 01:00:17 I got nothing bad to see about Everybody knows that Before I came into the picture Now it was just these two in the picture Y'all know where it started I had nothing to do with anything As far as in When me and him got together
Starting point is 01:00:30 He was already separated So y'all know what happened before that So what I'm... I got the green I beat rappers up for Golo I was not saying. I just do crazy, y'allel past it's
Starting point is 01:00:42 Halloween. Caligran available on all digital platforms out now. Man, get bars on wheels and drink the same hip hop on YouTube. So, Iva, you're trying to tell me that
Starting point is 01:00:52 when those, when the day she refers to you turn to me, that's the first day you heard about this? No. You ain't see, hold on, hold on a second. You ain't see
Starting point is 01:00:59 everything that was going on for a whole year before that? The battle. I'm going to tell you why. Why y'all only wanted to start? I was trying
Starting point is 01:01:05 and you said you didn't want to go there. That's what I was trying to get to. It's very confusing. because I didn't even know her when all that was going on. No, before Clarissa was in the picture, you hear rumors,
Starting point is 01:01:13 but then when you look at your lives, you don't see any, you don't see any turbulence. So it's not like you see anything or you hear anything. You know, you heard that behind the picture. Y'all held it down.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Even when I heard rumors, I would reach out to Joe, just like, yo, just checking on and making sure they're just checking them good. He was like, bro, they're good. So I didn't hear it to, but so, you know, with rumors, because they say rumors all the time.
Starting point is 01:01:34 I mean, the rumors Sean, Sean, man, gay. We know he's not, well, I don't know, But this woman's all the time is so it's like when you didn't, y'all didn't confirm a deny. I'm like, all right, cool. And then when that day happened with all the tweets, it still was like. But before the tweets, we heard that Pat put hands on the guy.
Starting point is 01:01:50 In the battle right. We heard that. Yes. And even that, I tried to figure that. I reached out to certain people that was facilitating things and no one would comment on it. So we can't, it's like, what do we speak to? And that's why now you're here and we're asking you like, okay, so what was before that? because there were allegations that she was dealing with
Starting point is 01:02:06 the black easy the black captain god prior to us seeing them together whatever the situation is down with them was that what was happening i mean you said it yourself you heard that you saw allegations you know what i'm saying like i'm not here to bash up man or say anything about he's not the type to talk pap don't do a lot of talking like i got a way bigger mouth than him okay i mean like paul no deal whatever you want to say whatever i want to put it but he's not like that like he's he's really like about like family and friendship and fixing things like
Starting point is 01:02:35 he's he's really about that you know what I'm saying like us as women well women yeah we will tell it all because I love the truth you know what I'm saying I put the truth out there and the thing is like when I come to the truth is like
Starting point is 01:02:51 he likes to keep his stuff and handle his stuff privately you know what I'm saying and respect this stuff and he's always going to be like that you know what I'm saying he's not ever going to change even now like this whole conversation is like y'all getting a lot out of him because he don't do this he don't
Starting point is 01:03:08 because he's moved so forward we're like just so happy and he just whatever happened happened we all know that you go through things through it we all been through a breakup before you may not have been through a divorce but you've been i'm investigative journalist melissa jeltson my new podcast what happened in nashville tells the story of an ivf clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed. We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's attorney general is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight
Starting point is 01:03:43 and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just. about a few family's futures. It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight. Doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Listen to what happened in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. May 24th, 1990, a pipe bomb explodes in the front seat. of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it ripped through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe. In season two of Rip Current, we ask, Who tried to kill Judy Barry?
Starting point is 01:04:47 And why? She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. in California. They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods.
Starting point is 01:05:05 The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area, but more than it was the culture. It was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly,
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Starting point is 01:06:43 others. I'm Mike Delocho. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay. I'm the other side, you know, just push through it. And, you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as people just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts. You can't even find your gifts unless you go through the wound.
Starting point is 01:07:15 That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my gifts. I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the Mike Uthura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 01:07:34 or wherever you get your podcast. Like, if we're on the air here, and I literally have my contract here, and I'm looking at, you know, as soon as I sign this, I'm going to get a seven-figure check. I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks. From the underground clubs that shaped global music to the pastors and creatives who built the cultural empire,
Starting point is 01:07:52 the Atlanta Ears podcast uncovers the stories behind one of the most influential cities in the world. The thing I love about Atlanta is that it's a city of hustlers, man. Each episode explores a different chapter of Atlanta's rise, featuring conversations with ludicrous, Will Packer, Pastor Jamal Bryant, DJ Drama, and more. The full series is available to listen to now. I really just had never experienced anything like what was going on in the city as far as like, you know, seeing so many young, black, affluent, creatives in all walks of life.
Starting point is 01:08:24 The church had dwindled almost to nothing. And God said, this is your assignment. And that's like how you know, like, okay, oh, you're from Atlanta for real. I ain't got to say too much. I'm a Grady, baby. Shut up. Listen to Atlanta is on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A breakup.
Starting point is 01:08:41 Been with somebody for a long time. You got to go with your own stuff. He's healed. He's moved on. And he's just in a better place. So it's just like, with that, when people put stuff on your name, like, oh, you want to defend it. But even him, he don't even want to defend it. because he is who he is.
Starting point is 01:08:55 Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, who wants to be a part of the circus, man? Yeah, nobody. I'm going to be a part of circus. When you ever saw us doing that? Never happened before. I had a movie coming out. I definitely didn't want to be a part of it.
Starting point is 01:09:05 My movie dropped just a couple days on Christmas, Christmas Day. I was like, what? Oh, that was. That was really? I was like, oh, my, I was losing my mind. I'm like, what is going on here? So even me, I'm like, let me just get far away from this as possible, but I'm still with him.
Starting point is 01:09:22 You know what I'm saying? So, I hear Clarissa like, promote that movie. Now I'm trying to promote that movie. But it's like, I'm in a different tax bracket than that to have to use that to promote my movie. My movie did well. It's still doing well. It's upon prime video if you haven't seen it, the firing side. But I don't want my name connected to stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:09:41 I never have. Before this thing with him, you never seen, you might see me into a couple of beefs online with a couple fighters and stuff like that. But you never seen nothing about like relationship, being with a dude who got. You never seen that. I'm my type of woman. If a man with me, he with me. I don't do second place. I never have.
Starting point is 01:09:58 I got two Olympic gold medals, 19 world championships. Why would I have to be second place to another woman for? Like, what do I look like? That's my thing of like. Bars on Wheels, a journey to save hip-hop out now. Produced by my brother, Sean, two mouths, by the way. He did the whole project. DJ Envy played the music.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Hold on, I got one. I got more, too. I was playing the right out of you. For real? Wow. I didn't know that. Oh, that's love. There's a guy, Pat.
Starting point is 01:10:26 He's from London. I didn't know that. I told him I was going to let him rap for you. Oh, world. While you was here. Okay. I want to bring him in. The Russell recently was talking about how he came up here and he rapped and it changed his trajectory.
Starting point is 01:10:38 And so a lot of people see that now. So they want it. I'm like, yo, introduce yourself. What's good people? I'm a man from London still. Say what's up to Pap? Say what's up to Clarissa. We've known our main a long time.
Starting point is 01:10:50 And he's a rapper. His records are starting to take. off you show me his videos and all that other stuff and we're gonna let him take a deep breath for me okay that's love man you got the beat you better what was the other the other dude that came up here one got signed it was josh and it was uh josh and um don't tahliv you used to come up here all the time yeah yeah yeah josh and don't tahlia all right let's go no pressure can turn it up you want some headphones no no no i'm good i'll think the headphones Yo, it all started with a dream.
Starting point is 01:11:28 I left home at 17. I come from South London, baby, you don't see that on the screen. They used to tell me that you'll be someone that don't achieve. I used to tell myself that's something that I won't believe. When it came from my family, it really hurt me deep. So I locked myself inside a bedroom, cry before I sleep. Told them that I want to be, what I want to be. But they were over me inside a cell or see the boy deceased.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Lost both grandmas in six months. leave when that girl brought my heart I was crying on my knees but that's karma cause I done the same to mum and now I see life balancing out life and really it's a beast so I'm sorry mummy because I know you couldn't rescue me I was fascinated by the streets ain't want me no degree imagine having you a child that speaks the way I speak I'll probably go and lose my mind and turn my back on me crazy how I talk about myself like this so casually because my self esteem is low my trauma's got so mad for me couldn't figure out a path to take I
Starting point is 01:12:22 found it gradually. Last time a girl she said she loved me. I said actually love ain't satisfactory. I'm closer to insanity. Every day a battle I just want to see my family. But I can't cry, I chose it's life so I have a seat. Everybody's talking about me in the streets.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Okay. All right. All right. What did you think, Pat? No, he did his thing, man. That was tough. Yeah, yeah. And where you f*** in Morocco, right? Morocco, isn't it? That's where my parents are from. But he moves to London, isn't it? And that's where I was
Starting point is 01:12:51 born i'm youth tal maraca when i was 17 okay brough all right okay brof yeah yeah he's been coming to a breakfast club i would say for what a long time where can they follow you know let's up yeah tell me and 22 on the socials um Spotify you can catch me everywhere i got a little song that's doing some numbers right now so keep adding to it i appreciate it might be one record's next artist who knows no no definitely sound sound tough i love to hear some of your music man i appreciate you for real man and you used to do that pat that's the fact i used to do the same I kind of clocked it for you used to be outside on a case list that's that's right man so I know what it's like me when you got that hung on you just like yo I want to I want to
Starting point is 01:13:29 get on man you got to do it yourself bars or wheels out right now let's the breakfast club papoose yeah thanks for having me let's get right to the latest with Lauren Lauren becoming a straight fat she gets them from somebody that knows somebody she gets to detail I'm a home girl that knows a little bit about everything she'd be having the latest The latest with Lauren LaRosa Sometimes you have facts Sometimes you have details Sometimes you have a little bit everything
Starting point is 01:13:57 Well it's the latest On the breakfast club Talk to me So Torrey Lanes has sat down For his first interview on camera Since he has been behind bars For the shooting of Meg Dasagin He sat down with NBC
Starting point is 01:14:11 And they talked about a few things So he, Tori Lanes is saying That he feels like This whole situation has unfairly made him The Postal Child for Unprotected Black Woman Let's take a listen. I've never been violent towards a woman.
Starting point is 01:14:25 I would never hit a woman, let alone shoot a woman. There is definitely a very big misconception about me. That seems to the public as I'm this monster. And I feel like I was catapulted into this poster child for the unprotection of black women. And it's just so unlike me. And I've never really had a chance to express that. But you can look at my criminal record. I don't have one.
Starting point is 01:14:51 I never had one, and I feel like, you know, that connotation that I would do anything of this monstrous proportion is just, it's completely incorrect and it's wrong. Yeah, and then he goes on to talk about, you know, because he's been saying for a while that he wanted to take the stand, but, you know, wasn't given the opportunity, the way that he should have been to be able to do that during the trial. So he talks about that as well, let's take a listen. Do you regret not taking the stand? I think if I would have taken the stand, the verdict would have definitely been very different. I believe not only that I was wrongfully convicted, but the amount of new evidence that has emerged since that trial, I think, has been overwhelming. What has life been like in prison for the last couple of years?
Starting point is 01:15:39 Truthfully, I've done my best to keep my head above water, but mentally I've gone through trauma that I sometimes even struggle with because I've never imagined myself dealing with. with the things that I would have to deal with. I've been stabbed 17 times. I almost lost my life. And then they, you know, the interview, interviewer at Tori Lanes, if he could speak to Meg this stallion right now, what would he say? Let's take a listen to that.
Starting point is 01:16:06 If you could say something to Megan the stallion today, what would it be? I think that I wouldn't say something directly to her. I'd like that moment to happen in person. We've both gone through a lot. there's this connotation that like I share this hatred for her but I don't I genuinely passed that I'm not a place of healing in my life I'm at a place of taking accountability for the things that I did wrong and when I talk about my case I don't want it to be taken as me coming at her because it's not that I'm just asking for somebody here in the system to look at
Starting point is 01:16:43 my case and look at the evidence and ask if this was fair how many times has has the appeal been decline. It has been a decline a couple of times, right? So there were, it was misreported, right? So in the beginning, there were certain things from what he was trying to appeal, or what he was asking, it's like an innocence plea that he made in the beginning, and they declined to review certain things. Like, it's very technical, but the actual, like, appeal was denied in the California Second District Court last month after I found no ineffective assistance of counsel or prodigial trial court error, because basically Torrey Lane's was alleged.
Starting point is 01:17:19 here's everything that went wrong or was wrongly done in court whether it was by his former attorneys or just not being treated fairly by the judicial system or like the judge or whatever and they didn't bite like they didn't believe what he was saying so now he's going to the Supreme Court correct? Yeah so
Starting point is 01:17:35 yeah they're trying to take it to the California Supreme Court they plan to file a new appeal which would include the allegation of different violations and you know he's saying that in this new defamation case that they've been going through or have went through recently that there was like new things that should have been displayed in court
Starting point is 01:17:50 that weren't that they found out from this defamation case so they plan to bring that to the front forefront as well in this second appeal so basically like if going up what he just said right like if he's saying
Starting point is 01:18:01 and maybe I'm jumping out here but if he's saying like yo I would never shoot a woman and I didn't wouldn't it be just like easier just to see who did it if you didn't do it like then who did it then Corey like you know what I mean like
Starting point is 01:18:12 should have said that from the beginning right but that's but he still ain't saying but you saying you didn't do it it would be easier for you know what I'm saying just to be like I didn't do it such and such did it like what you can't say you didn't do it but everything points to you
Starting point is 01:18:27 how long has he been locked up uh he's been locked up four years three I think three years yeah so there's that and moving on in other news uh whiz Khalifa so this came out yesterday uh Wiz Khalifa is being
Starting point is 01:18:44 has been sentenced to nine months in prison in a Romanian court now this comes from something that happened back in July of 2024. So, Wiz Khalifa was performing at Beach Please, a festival, and he smoked a blunt on stage while performing.
Starting point is 01:18:59 And so once he smoked, which got him in trouble over there because of their law. So once he performed, he was pulled to the side by police. He was questioned about it. And then prosecutors later sentenced him fined him $3,600. After that happened, they then
Starting point is 01:19:15 overturned that fine, and now they're trying to sent him with the nine months in prison because they say that the court basically feels like he sent a message of normalization of illegal conduct because what they're alleging is that the crowd and the audience
Starting point is 01:19:30 that was there were a bunch of young kids. He's a super influential celebrity who should have never decided to smoke on stage and he actually spoke out about this back in 2024. He's now planning to appeal this decision and his, you know, there are sources that are saying that nothing is final yet on this even though it's being reported
Starting point is 01:19:46 as that it is. He said back in 24 that he was they were very respectful to him they let him go he plans to come back soon but without a big blunt next time i don't know yeah i'm not coming back what's it called pomania romania romania no just not coming back y'all gonna have that why i won't go back either no i'm not only am i not coming back what you say jess i'm saying why do these people go to these other countries and do this stuff though like wow you should always respect the law the other country that you're in yes he said he didn't mean any disrespect yes yes true I'm not going back.
Starting point is 01:20:19 I ain't going back. Y'all ain't about to put me in jail for nine months over. Not only that, I'm not going back to any countries that's close to him that they can come and grab me. I'm not going nowhere near. You go back and just follow the laws, y'all. And that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:20:30 If they're trying to put me in prison for nine months. I'm saying, but if he appeals that it is overturned and he's good, he pays his fine, whatever. There are people calling this harsh, like, you know, and they don't believe it will actually happen because of the power that the U.S. has and the fact that he's a big celebrity. First of all, there's a criminologist
Starting point is 01:20:45 before you get into social media and all your unc things. There's a criminologist that BBC spoke with because I was trying to figure out like what is the favor here? What's the laws in Romania, though? That's what we should be looking up before you look at porn stars
Starting point is 01:20:57 that know a little something about law. Morning stars. Oh my God, not that BBC, no. No, the outlet. Like the media outlet. Oh, my God. I would never know. My girl's listening.
Starting point is 01:21:08 Good morning, my grandmother is listening. Why would you say that? I don't talk to a porn star that know a little something about law in B. Y'all. Not somebody met at Ditteycourt. Before you go, I just want to tell you a funny story. So, you know, I used to have a black Tesla truck, right?
Starting point is 01:21:22 And I used to go to pick up my daughter. And when I was to go pick her up, they used to scream, BBC, big black car. And my daughter was just like, Dad, what is BBC? And I just wouldn't answer. But I thought that was the funniest thing. I don't know what they talk about. In the neighborhood you live in, that's very racist, sir. Okay, I want you to know.
Starting point is 01:21:37 In the neighborhood you live in, pulling up in that, and white people yelling BBC is very racist. I know we got. I know we got a rat. this is breaking right now. Charlemagne the God did a $200 million deal with I Heart Media. Oh, please.
Starting point is 01:21:55 My sources, that's Per Forbes. You ain't going to where. You're here. So you work here. I do work here. So Forge just dropped the article and it's a look into Charlemagne's new empire and his ambition to turn Black Effect into
Starting point is 01:22:07 the BET of podcasting. So they said that the five-year deal was signed back in August and that you've launched over 60 shows of Black Effect, but you plan to add 10 more in 2026. correct? Listen, I don't know what that number is you're talking about, but yes, salute to Forbes. They highlighted my career and my various business ventures. Thank you. All phrases do to God. God is so good. And I just want God to continue to guide my steps, my words, and my
Starting point is 01:22:30 actions. I'm actually on the cover. I'm on the cover. Now, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm reading this. And it says, Charlemagne, the God, recently signed a $200 million deal with Aheart. Now, Charlemagne, when I walked in today, you said you got me a Christmas. gift. Yeah. I did get you a Christmas gift. Was it before you signed this or after you signed this? Listen, I don't know nothing about the number.
Starting point is 01:22:53 All I'm telling you is that apologies to everyone who reported otherwise that I wasn't staying with I heart. I don't know where you would get that from. But yes, I've re-signed a multi-year deal with Iheart. Yo, this daily cover, they got like, it's like a gift, like photos of Charlaman moving. You are, these, these pants are a little fitting, sir. Like, you look a little thick and these, you be talking about thick and all this husky God is so good.
Starting point is 01:23:18 We're just going to keep growing. Okay, Black Effect will continue to grow. Please go check out these photos. Breakfast Club will continue to grow. That waste will continue to grow. We are leaving the year of the snake. It's all about shedding and letting go, okay? The year of the horse, 2006 is upon us,
Starting point is 01:23:32 and it's all about stepping into who you really are. You better not give me that black ass this year for Christmas. That's all I'm saying. Whoa. I don't know what you're going to be. Congratulations, sir. Yes, congratulations. So, you know, how you spell Jerry Curl?
Starting point is 01:23:50 I learned something new for reading this article. How you spell Jerry Curl? How you like the cover, though? How do you cover, how do you spell it? J-H-E-I-Curl. When you can, you read everything. You know how to spell it. I did not know you spell Jerry Curl, J-H-E-R.
Starting point is 01:24:05 You also go to get law advice from porn stars. I got it from BBC and not that, whatever. But you look, you look unkish on here. You look good, you know? And that's the, yes, the Forbes. Yeah, daily cover of force. So shout out to the congratulations. Yes, congratulations.
Starting point is 01:24:20 But no, the physical will be out in February. There's print too? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. Big business, big 200. No, what? What are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:24:29 Big 200. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. I need the ball somebody. Bro, it's the year to snake. I'm shutting my day. Can I wheeze burn?
Starting point is 01:24:38 My windshield's crack. Donkey today is up next and it's the people's donkey. I need new sneakers. It's the people's donkey. My kids need to go to college. One, 800. 585.105.1 if you want to give somebody to credit. My foot. Do I'm waking.
Starting point is 01:24:49 You can do it right now. My belly. It's your time to nominate a donkey of your own. Remember not? That's how they choose. Call in now. 800-585-1051. Donkey of the day for Friday, December 19th, is the people's donkey. Okay, you know we do this every Friday, so you can call us right now.
Starting point is 01:25:12 1-800-585-1051 and give somebody the credit. credit they deserve for being stupid. So good morning. Who's this? Good morning. It's just tea. Peace tea. Who do you want to give the biggest e-hael to?
Starting point is 01:25:24 I'm giving her e-haw to my mother. She still has not tried to meet her grandson. I pick your advice when I call figure it off your chest. I sent that other email just like you all told me to just try to touch face with her and give her one more chance. And she still has not. Like, she literally responded to the email and just said, oh, he's handsome. God bless, so honestly I'm letting it go and she deserves the biggest he hard for it
Starting point is 01:25:50 letting our situation stop her for being a first-time grandma. God damn. What's her name? Oh, my mother's name is Lynette. Damn, Lynette. Well, I hope that y'all can figure that out, man, but I get it. It's funny me and my cousin was just having that conversation
Starting point is 01:26:04 just about how like when parents or grandparents know they didn't show up for you the right way so they feel ashamed. Well, no, when parents know they didn't show up for you the right way, they feel ashamed. so it keeps them from even wanting to be involved in their grandkids' lives, that's crazy. Yeah, and, you know, I think she's still holding on
Starting point is 01:26:23 to that emancipation issue, but if I was, if I put my pride aside to just reach off so she can have her relationship, like, I have to let it go. So I'm blessed with my boyfriend's family, everybody that loves him, but she deserves a biggest he-ha because we grew up in a church. She should know better. So he-ha, he-ha-ha-he-ha-ha-ha-ha. And Merry Christmas.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Thank you. Happy holiday. And Merry Christmas is crazy. Good morning. Who's this? Hey, good morning, man. This is Boone from 8-4-3. 8-4-3. Who you want to get the biggest he-hard, too? This guy, man, from yesterday, man.
Starting point is 01:26:50 I don't even know this clown's name. I guess he tried to commit suicide on the 526. They messed up everybody's money, man. It had to set down on both sides until about four to the two, man. Not my brother, my brother, my brother. Now, you know a lot of people jump off that bridge. What bridge is that? That's the...
Starting point is 01:27:07 That's the Don Hope Bridge. Yes, people jump off that bridge a lot. Why are you mad at him because he was feeling suicidal? Like, this, like, because he messed up my money, saw the man. All that means, $110, man. I only make about $7, you know, $800 a day. The joke of a man, he had traffic back up. I just gone home.
Starting point is 01:27:27 I understand, but it is the holiday season. People dealing with a lot of seasonal depression, man. Like, you know, you don't know what going on in that man's life. You know, he was not, I know he wasn't thinking about you, sir. He was thinking about not being here no more. Trust me. Listen, when I heard around 5 o'clock this morning, I heard them say, one was on the bridge, I was jumping off the bridge.
Starting point is 01:27:46 So my heart did go out. I was like, dang, man. Someone committed suicide on the bridge again. You know, that's a sad thing. But at the end of the day, when I wake up the next day and hear the news that they saved this guy, I was like, nah, man. You're supposed to have a joke, man. What's your, bitch?
Starting point is 01:27:59 Bye, man. Get off my phone, man. Listen, this is the reason why you shouldn't kill yourself because nobody's going care. There ain't no way and hell I want life to just could continue to move on without me like this, all right? No, no, please, man. Find somebody to talk to, please.
Starting point is 01:28:14 Uh, good morning. Who's this? Hey, how you doing? This Antoine. How y'all, what are you calling from? Atlanta, Georgia. H.D.L. Shorty. Uh, who do you want to get the biggest heat hard to? All right. I got two today. First one is to go. Uh, I know we just went through this whole food thing, you know, crisis, and, uh, they'd be throwing away food, and they don't be wanting to give it up to the people. And, uh, the workers get suspended for, uh, for taking food home, too. Yeah, I think that's so lame. I think that there's a special.
Starting point is 01:28:44 place in hell for people like that because if you're just going to throw the food away as a i think it should be a policy for all fast food restaurants or any type of chain restaurant instead of throwing the food away package it up and take it to the nearest uh you know shelter or community organization that feeds people like don't just throw that food away exactly now even uh even the owner don't even want to let it go he want to he want to have some kind of monetary you know uh uh we had pretty much paid for us to take the food home so it's like it's ridiculous also i want to go give a Henry public school system.
Starting point is 01:29:17 My wife is a teacher for almost 10 years now. So shout out to Courtney. They just over running her. She comes home when she's stressed out and she did be going all over the place with her. And I just don't think that's fair. And then you get checked that out. Got you.
Starting point is 01:29:37 Good morning. Who's chocolate. Hey, what's up, man? Peace. Who? Keesha. Peace, Keisha. Who you want to get the biggest?
Starting point is 01:29:44 hard to? I got to give it to you and I got to, got to give it tomorrow, man. Okay. Salamane. Yes, ma'am. Go to moistucylilip.com, sir. Go to moist-yloft.com. Moistuicylips.com. Why? Am I on there? Am I on there?
Starting point is 01:30:01 You need to be on there? You saying I got moist juicy lips, Keisha? Don't flirt with me. I'm a married man. Salamay, last time I talked to you, you called me a legend, man. I told you to go to my website. Like, y'all remember I gave Lauren my book twice. She never gave y'all my books. Somebody is Lauren to get y'all my book.
Starting point is 01:30:19 Okay. And all of my merch. But you called me a lesbian. Are you? And DJ Emmy was hanging up on me. So I got to give you the biggest donkey. That's what I'm talking about. Why did I call you a lesbian?
Starting point is 01:30:31 Why would I just randomly be like you a lesbian? Because of Moistucidlil.com. No. I don't know where that's been in my guest because of the moist juice of lip. I don't remember that. She writes now. I just didn't do nothing to you, better. I just didn't do nothing to you, but I...
Starting point is 01:30:46 No, Jess, you're all the real one up there. I'm telling you. Hey, thank you. Thank you, Moise, Juicy Licks. Thank you. No, but I've been on, I'm looking, I've been on your website before. You got the book Choices, and you got the book, um, Lacey Red Thong. Then you got another book called Moise.
Starting point is 01:31:01 I was going to ask you about somebody's titles. You hung up? Oh, well, yeah, go to Moise JuicyLips.com, y'all. There's all types of horniness on there for anybody that will feel it. Feeling frisky this weekend. Good morning. Who's this? This is Tisha from Texas.
Starting point is 01:31:17 Tisha, who you want to get the biggest he haul to? My own self, because the other day I was doing my ritual getting up, turning on the breakfast club because, you know, that's y'all in my ritual. Nothing was on. I heard some white guy talking, and I said, now, what's going on? And I'm looking, I turned, I asked Alexa to turn it on. Nothing happened. It was the same white monotone guy.
Starting point is 01:31:37 And I was so mad saying they just celebrated 15 years. Trump has taken them off the air. What did Charlemagne do? Figured out it was a doggone Sunday. You see what I'm saying? See what happens? You see what I'm saying? That's like pulling up the Chick-fil-A hungry as hell on a Sunday
Starting point is 01:31:53 and wondering why it's closed. Exactly, exactly. So I have to put myself on. I'm like, oh, Lord, I was trying to turn on the local radio here in Dallas, Didi, in the morning. She wasn't on. I'm like, he's taking all the black people off. Salute to Didi Maguire, man. I love Didi Maguire.
Starting point is 01:32:09 My guy, George Cook. Big Geo, he's the operations manager at K-1. It's K-104, right? Yes, good people. You know he's the first person to give me a full-time job on the radio in Charleston, South Carolina. Wow. Yep, at a station car, hot 98-9, and he told me that he wanted me to do a morning show at night, because I used to be on 7 to midnight.
Starting point is 01:32:30 So he kind of prepared me for where I am now, man. I love Big Geo. That's my brother, man. His daughter just graduated to him. He had all works in the divine power. That's right. 100%. Yes, his daughter did just graduate.
Starting point is 01:32:42 She just graduated from I'm looking it up now I'm gonna tell you right now Her name was Anaya Anaya graduated from LSU Oh yeah LSU She just graduated from LSU
Starting point is 01:32:54 Yes she did I'm sorry Well Merry Christmas to y'all I love y'all Jess you should do a scarf line You know how you do it But the scars do a scarf line We'll buy it
Starting point is 01:33:03 You know what thank you That's a great idea babe I appreciate you I'm gonna drop some scarves Okay I love y'all Merry Christmas Happy you too Hey, G, I just don't think I was ignoring you.
Starting point is 01:33:14 I literally, I saw when you text me the picture that Anaya graduated, Saluta Anaya graduating from LSU. But I just saw the picture about the monetary gift would be deeply appreciated. Yeah, I just seen that too. I just see that too. I just see that too, yeah. I got Anaya right now, man. Yeah, I'm going to throw something in that too. Congratulations to Anaya, man, LSU.
Starting point is 01:33:32 Nah, people like Gio, people like George Cook, man. We probably wouldn't be in, I wouldn't be in the position. I mean, if it wasn't for, you know, somebody like him. So salute to my guy, man. Salute to Gio. I'm gonna do my car show with Dallas this year too so I know Gio gonna hold me down but yeah we're gonna throw some of your
Starting point is 01:33:45 You're not welcome to Dallas You're a Giants fan And you'd be talking too crazy about us You don't know Mm hmm Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:33:54 Yeah you respect the star And then you can You can step foot in Dallas But we do that every week Every Friday The People's Donkey You can call up And give somebody the credit
Starting point is 01:34:04 They deserve For being stupid, all right So we ain't gonna be here For a couple of weeks though So I'm saying But we can get too when we come back. All right. When we come back, my son will be joining us.
Starting point is 01:34:15 That's right. My son is now on Zoran Mondani's NYC, Mayor Alec, Zoran Mondani's transition team. That's right. Yeah, so we'll be talking to Mysong and we come back. You know, the New York Post just front on my son. They put him on the front page of the post talking about a crime boss.
Starting point is 01:34:31 And if that man hasn't been home, you know, doing nothing but God's work since he stepped out to that cell. But we'll talk to him when we come back. All right. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Morning, everybody. It's DJ. He's just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
Starting point is 01:34:45 Lauren LaRose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. My son. Thank you for having what's going on. Can you autograph this for me, man? Can you autograph this for me? Brown balls. Let me see.
Starting point is 01:34:55 This is the first time I actually see. I don't even have any of these things. You ain't see it? No, I didn't even see it like in person. I've just seen it online. Wow. Well, before we get into that, what does your role on Zoran Mondani's transition team entail?
Starting point is 01:35:08 It entails being an advisor. being able to talk about policies that we think should be implemented from criminal justice, from public safety. Also, appointments, people that we think should be a part of his staff that in that area that we feel best fit what it is that he wants to accomplish
Starting point is 01:35:31 and what represents us in the community? So what power do you have to actually influence policy? Because people would be like, oh, this is just optics. He gets somebody like my son is well respected in the city? What power do you have to actually? Well, it's 20 of us. It's 20 of us in that committee, right? So we sit down and we talk about policy.
Starting point is 01:35:48 We have different meetings. We, and we send, okay, this is the policy we think we shouldn't act. And he gets to look at that based of, you know, what we come together. And he makes his own decision. We don't just tell him what to do. All we can do is advise and give recommendations.
Starting point is 01:36:04 Hate or love Mom Donnie, right? People have been yelling that they want this. They want people in the community from the community helping to make decisions. Why are people so upset that is happening? Because, you know, people don't like change, especially the people that don't want to see change, they want to make it seem like it's a bad thing. It doesn't make sense that you mad that somebody who's experienced the criminal justice system on both ends who was wrongfully convicted inside prison for seven years, came home and started working with youth inside prison,
Starting point is 01:36:33 started, you know, dealing with reform organizations, who has influenced policy within prisons who knows, you know, the mind state of the young kids that's going in and out of these prisons that's actually working with him. That doesn't make sense that somebody would be mad. So I love what May and Mondami is Manlek right now is doing right now because he's really trying to encompass. I'm investigative journalist Melissa Jeltson. My new podcast, What Happened in Nashville, tells the story of an IVF clinic's catastrophic collapse and the patients who banded together in the chaos that followed.
Starting point is 01:37:08 We have some breaking news to tell you about. Tennessee's Attorney General is suing a Nashville doctor. In April 2024, a fertility clinic in Nashville shut down overnight and trapped behind locked doors were more than a thousand frozen embryos. I was terrified. Out of all of our journey, that was the worst moment ever. At that point, it didn't occur to me what fight was going to come to follow. But this story isn't just about a few families' futures.
Starting point is 01:37:36 It's about whether the promise of modern fertility care can be trusted at all. It doesn't matter how much I fight, doesn't matter how much I cry over all of this. It doesn't matter how much justice we get. None of it's going to get me pregnant. Listen to what happened in Nashville on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. May 24th, 1990, a pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activists Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded.
Starting point is 01:38:10 I felt it ripped through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe. In season two of RipCurrent, we ask, who tried to kill Judy Barry and why? She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees.
Starting point is 01:38:36 They were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area, but more than it was the culture. It was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself, but along
Starting point is 01:39:06 alongside others. I'm Mike Delarocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it. And you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as peoples just breathe. Next to the wound is zero gifts. You can't. I need to find your guests unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my guests.
Starting point is 01:39:40 I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and that's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to sacred lessons as part of the My Kutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Gives
Starting point is 01:40:06 directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier, and Dave Desteno from How How God Works and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Here's how it works. You donate to give directly, and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need, because those families know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees, or starting a small business. With that support, families can invest in their future
Starting point is 01:40:52 and build lasting change. So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. Head to give directly.org slash happiness lab to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first-time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. Hi, I'm Radhdi Dvlukaya and I am the host of a really good cry podcast.
Starting point is 01:41:16 This week, I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the crappy childhood fairy, a creator, teacher, and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story, what helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend.
Starting point is 01:41:50 And they broke my jaw on my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait. They could kill me, and I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this, and I did.
Starting point is 01:42:07 Listen to a really good cry on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What New York looks like. The people inside New York, the voices of New York, I'm about to start doing roundtable meetings and convenings with formerly incarcerated individuals in which we sit down and we talk about what it is, what it looks like to actually be productive members of society. What do we want to see? What do we realize is wrong with the system So he can actually get a real understanding
Starting point is 01:42:36 of what's happening inside the system I try not to take too many things personal man But when I saw this on the front page of the New York Post You labeled as a crime boss Mondania points rapper who served seven years For armed robbery as justice advisor It actually offended me as a person with a criminal record Because it's like damn my son went to prison in what
Starting point is 01:42:56 1999 mm-hmm How old are you 20? Yep 21 21 you're 40 47, 48 year old grown man now. You've done nothing since you came home but giving back to your community, but tried to teach others not to follow this same path, and you still can't escape that? Well, you know, I say all the time,
Starting point is 01:43:16 what the devil means for bad, God are you for good. They got a good picture, so I'll actually like this picture. You're wearing your boycott black murder shirt and hat. When you look, it's boycott black murder on the shirt and the hat, and we actually sold out, so you can go buy some more on the website, if you want to at untilfreedom.com. But it actually shows what it is that I represent.
Starting point is 01:43:35 So what happened was for me, when I received so many congratulations, it's like people didn't even realize that they were actually trying to, you know, discredit and defame me. People were just like, wow, you're doing something with the mayor. You're actually, you know,
Starting point is 01:43:49 a part of the justice advisory system with the mayor. So it didn't even get the effect that they wanted to get. So it was, for me, it was like, you know what, I'm not going to utilize, I'm not going to allow them to utilize that to discourage me from the work that I've been doing for the last over a decade, you know, with until freedom. We've been doing this anti-violence work. We've been doing criminal justice work for the last over a decade.
Starting point is 01:44:13 So for me, it's like I'm going to continue and I'm going to utilize this notoriety in which I'm going to mean for bad. I'm going to utilize it. I'm going to make sure that, you know, the world gets out. I'm going to make sure that I represent formerly incarcerated and justice impacted people properly. So when they say, oh, we can't do it. I want to be a representative to say that my son showed you that it's definitely possible and you can be successful. Did that, because, I mean, you've been doing this for a long time. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:44:38 But did this moment in how, like, a New York Post or, you know, wherever else mentioned you, did it turn up something new or like make you think of like, okay, we need to make sure we're doing this over here too? Like, was it like a blind spot that like you saw through all this? I don't know if it was a blind spot, but it definitely was a level of urgency. It made me feel more, you know, motivated to. do this work that we've been doing to motivated to bring certain voices because, you know, I say this all the time. There's so many formally incarcerated people who are doing so many positive and, you know, just really good things that nobody talks about, you know, and that's the thing I want to highlight. I don't want, because a lot of people formerly incarcerated don't
Starting point is 01:45:16 believe that they can do certain things. They don't believe that they can be successful. And most, the public perception is that, too, as well. So I want to be able to highlight people that come home, that have been doing this work for years, who've been doing positive things for years, who've been productive members of society. You know, they always, people act like they don't know, Alan obviously was formerly
Starting point is 01:45:37 incarcerated. You know, like, there's so many people that we talk about that was formerly incarcerated. Malcolm X. You don't know. Malcolm X was formerly incarcerated. And it's like we just, we look down on the stigma. And when we talk about formerly incarcerated, a lot of people don't act like they know that black people are the highest
Starting point is 01:45:53 falsely accused and exonerated. people in the world. So a lot of us, like I said, I was falsely accused of a crime. I spent seven years in jail for a crime I didn't commit. I went to trial for my case. So it's like a lot of just because there's the stigma of us being arrested and incarcerated, they make it seem like we're a threat to society and we're just criminals. And some people have committed crimes, but some people, like, when you go to the justice, when you go to the prison, right, it's supposed to be rehabilitation. So if a person does his time and he comes on, he's productive, Why do we act like he can't be productive?
Starting point is 01:46:26 And they're focusing on your past, but that is the very thing that qualifies you for the role. How do you feel about that? I think that is so ironic. It's just disingenuous to say that when we got a president that got 34 felonies. And his whole cabinet is full of criminals, right? So we look at, especially black people, we act like we can't do certain things. And I say all the time, those closest to the problem are closest to the solution. You know, sitting in the cell for seven years, you know, seeing how the injustice system works, seeing how inmates are treated, and how people are sitting there. A brother just was killed. You know, he was executed. And they found out four or five years later that his DNA didn't match and he was actually innocent. So these are things that happen every day in the justice system. And people like myself who've actually experienced it, who understand that and see the blind spots because somebody who just went to school and studied law.
Starting point is 01:47:24 never understood those realities. A lot of times, I've watched a lot of elective issues. I've watched people who studied the law. And then they actually got incarcerated. And they came home and had a conversation with me. Like, I didn't realize what was going on. And they become the biggest advocates for prison reform and for, you know, those type of things. So I just think that I've been blessed with an opportunity, you know, and God created for me for such a time as now.
Starting point is 01:47:49 You know, I never understood when I was incarcerated. When you sitting in jail for seven years for a crime you didn't do, you don't understand. with you in there for it. Especially you got a million-dollar record deal. You're sitting in the jail cell and you're like, why the hell am I sitting in jail? And it was days that that was my conversation. And, you know,
Starting point is 01:48:04 but I always said that I'm not going to allow this system to break me because every day that I don't grow and I don't learn and I don't do things positive in the system one. So when I came home and I started realizing, oh, why I was in there, I started realizing that our people are overly incarcerated, especially young black and brown males. They're overly incarcerated.
Starting point is 01:48:20 Some of them are just lost. They don't even identify with things. So I came home with a different perspective. is to say, you know what, I'm going to pour into my community different. I'm going to empower these young boys. I'm not going to make them think that prison is some way to be, but I'm also not going to make you believe that because you was in prison that you can't be successful.
Starting point is 01:48:35 And I wanted to come home and model that behavior. And I think for the last 20 years that I've been out of jail, you know, my crime happened in 99. It's 26 years later, and y'all still talking about the crime that happened 26 years later, but you're not looking at the track record for the last 20 years that I've been home and I've been on this ground, putting boots on the ground, of doing this work. How do you want young organizers watching this moment, watching you, watching
Starting point is 01:48:59 Tamika, watching the Erica Ford's on this transition team? How do you want them to understand the relationship between protesting policy? Shout out to Angelo, too. He's actually, he's on the criminal justice work. But I want young protesters to understand organizers, right? Because I don't want you to just be protesters. I want you to be savvy. I want you to be intelligent. I want you to be strategic. I want you to look at this
Starting point is 01:49:22 moment as progress, right? Because we all got to do different things. There's an inside, outside game. You know, for years, we stood outside and we was the protesters, and people said, yeah, y'all can go out there and they made jokes. You got your picket sign, and it was cool. But we watch incremental change happen, right? We got incremental change, and we protested enough people to it.
Starting point is 01:49:42 They said, okay, what do y'all want? Right? And then they sat down with us. And then we start saying, okay, we want this. And we start watching capitulate. When we talk about the CMS, Tamika and Erica Ford and AT, they sat out there and protested the mayor until they got millions of dollars put into that CMS system when there was nothing. You know, when they was told that there was no data and they would never get a dime. And now it's up to over 100 million that's given to CMS inside a new city because people did that work.
Starting point is 01:50:14 So I want you to be understanding. I want you to be relentless. I want you to be fearless but I want you to understand that there's the process and that there's an ultimate goal and if you just protest and you don't see things going anywhere, if you don't get yourself, if you're not in
Starting point is 01:50:30 positions to actually make change, if you don't have the ears and the the wherewithal to touch the people who can actually give policy to actually do things for the communities you're fighting for it and you're just fighting a fight for nothing. So it's cool. I told people I'm tired of having
Starting point is 01:50:46 you know, um, victories that you know just being the leader that die we we celebrate our leaders dying at 30 and they ain't got nothing and they but they kept on I want to win you know I don't want moral I'm tired of moral victories when do we actually get the victories where we see some change for our people I'm tired of the story of we watching our people run out in glory and they say yeah y'all gonna be the first ones we know all y'all's going to die but it's going to be brave you brave because you went out there I don't want that no more like when we're going to be strategic and we go through the back door
Starting point is 01:51:17 and we actually take over the castle and we put out people in position. When are we going to start doing that? Like, I think our strategy has to change and it has to evolve what we deal with. It's just like when we look at Trump and we look at Jasmine Crocker's and we look at the people that are meeting fire with fire.
Starting point is 01:51:34 We can't keep having the conversations about, oh, this is not how it's supposed to know, this is how it is. You can't fight a fight with one hand behind your back where people got four and five hands and they jump in you and you're saying, but I fought with honor. And I did it the right. No, actually, you fought and they killed you.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Like, I'm tired of just dying. Like, I really want us to win the war. So I want black people and our young activists to be strategic and figure out how do we actually get the things that we find for. Word. Well, it's M-Sahom, man. What can they find you, my brother? You can find me on Instagram at MySah, NY General.
Starting point is 01:52:07 You can find me on YouTube, same thing. Facebook, same thing. Yo, keep holding them accountable. And make sure you go TMI podcast, that we're going to get. get LL on real soon, so make sure you follow us on TMI podcast on IHeart. Yes, the Black Effect IHard Radio podcast network. My man, my son,
Starting point is 01:52:24 it's the Breakfast Club. Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, the Breakfast Club, and you know what time it is. It's time for past dogs. Go, go, go. DJ, because that's my DJ. Say, go, DJ, because my DJ. Yeah, DJ, come spinning.
Starting point is 01:52:47 Nile's a big Naila. What's happening? What's up, Sharr? What's up, Jess? Hey, girl. Okay, so today, of course, a lot of new music again. I just want to give a few shoutouts because Marco Plus dropped the deluxe to his project. Some with the Marco Plus.
Starting point is 01:53:00 And then also, last week I had a lot of records that I wasn't able to get to, but I don't know if I should start with the new. Actually, let me start with R&B and then I'll get into the rap. First, I want to start with 320. They're a duo. I think there are a couple. I'm not sure. Sorry if you guys aren't, but you do look like a couple. they do a lot of R&B gospel type records like positive uplifting and they just dropped an album this record that I'm about to shout out is called The Light
Starting point is 01:53:24 I like it got a I want to be down what is it I want to be down by Brandy yeah it gives that vibe I like it yes feels very minty okay good refreshing yeah very minty you know what I'm saying you know when you put it in your mouth and you like take a deep breath you know what I mean yes okay good I like that good their record that I first got hip to is called blessed like that where they flipped them cool like that um so they just have yeah they got a dope catalog so definitely i love the moon planet so that's a good tape yes check them out next um we're going to get into our rap bag i'm gonna do with don't ever feel real this is all for conway's conway the machine's new project featuring heather victoria shout out to heather okay nala let me tell you something man you know how you know god don't make no mistakes because every single time
Starting point is 01:54:12 i hear conway it's very rare i don't do my face like this It's very rare. I don't do my... Like, that's why, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know, you know, what happened to him was an unfortunate situation, but the fact his face is in that permanent... Sideways.
Starting point is 01:54:26 That's how he makes me feel whenever I hear his music. I love that. It's very rare I hear Conway and don't feel like that. Yeah. Got to do the screw face. I like it.
Starting point is 01:54:35 Oh, and also, I just did an interview with Conway, makes you guys check it out. It's on YouTube. Next, I'm going to go with Kenny Mason. Now, Kenny Mason is another rapper who's a part of the, you know, Marco Plus, Rubin Vincent. Chris Patrick class
Starting point is 01:54:47 Suave He's also out of Atlanta And this record is called Gorgeous even though I will say I think Kenny Mason was a little bit Before them But that's a 10 I mean
Starting point is 01:54:58 I like that I like the beat switch Like whatever that's cold Whatever he did to the beat Before it just went on Fire Okay good yeah I knew you liked it
Starting point is 01:55:06 I seen you dancing I'm like okay great We got Jess Sharre I like it Okay I like it You three for three Nail Yay
Starting point is 01:55:12 What we end in with We end it with I got to do this This nods in premiere, man. I've seen a lot of commentary about it online. Some negative, some positive. I thoroughly enjoyed the nods and premier album. When I first listened to it, I think I had too much expectation because of the past work that they've done.
Starting point is 01:55:28 So, you know, when I heard the album, I kind of wanted, like, more, you know, of the Madman, Nasty, Esco, Nassir Records. But then I'm like, nah, I like what they did, a lot. I like writers. I like, you know, welcome to the underground. I like, um, pause tapes. What's you playing? I'm going to play the bouquet. record. The shout out to the ladies.
Starting point is 01:55:47 I knew you was going to do that. This is probably this is why you don't listen to the internet, either. Because, you know, the internet don't be appreciating good music. Because literally, when I listen to the Nause and premiere album, I was like, okay, it's cool. But I had a different expectation. But then I'm watching people on internet say they don't like it. And I'm like, nah. Ain't a way Nause. I'm like, nah.
Starting point is 01:56:06 Then I went and rolled to it. I'm like, no, I rock with this album a lot. Okay. Yeah. All right. Nothing like affirmation. I love affirmations. I felt like I was in a time capsule. It took me back in the day. Like, you know, but that's just the feel that Nas gives you, but I love it.
Starting point is 01:56:20 I love what you talking about. I like the beat. Yes. Yeah. And you know what? It makes me want to hear a Jay-Z album with one producer. Because, you know, Nause has done it several times, right? Knaz did all the albums with hit boy.
Starting point is 01:56:31 Now he did it with premiere. And I'm like, you know what? Since y'all always want to compare Jay Z and Nas, like, let's get Jay Z to do an album with one producer. And I know 4-4-4 came close to it because he did a lot of work with no ID. Yeah. But I'm talking about, like, really. just locking in with one producer that we know that he makes great records with. Like, we know Nas and Premier make great records.
Starting point is 01:56:52 By the way, Jay-Z and Premier make great records, too. But imagine a Jay-Z-Just-Blaze project. Let's imagine a Jay-Z-Just-Blaid project. Think about all of the great records Jay-Z and Just Blaze have made the gig together. Go back to the Blueprint album and listen to those Jay-Z-J-Z-Just-Blaze records. You don't know and all of that stuff like that. Think about PSA. Imagine Jay-Z and Just Blaze locking in.
Starting point is 01:57:15 Yeah, 2026? I don't know when, but that's what I would want. Would he do it again? I mean, is he like, you think he'd be up for that? Why not? And, you know, another reason I would want it to be just blazed because I want Jay-Z to talk filthy. Like, he gave us the 4-4-4.
Starting point is 01:57:29 He gave us the grown, you know, more healed version, you know, doing right by his wife, not cheating on his wife, no more stuff like that. Like, we got that. I want him, like, coming down to the nigger net and addressing all the low-vibrational BS, all the people that have been having something to say.
Starting point is 01:57:44 No, no, Jay. Would he do that? Would he do that now? I don't know. I don't know. Okay. But that would be dope. A JZ album produced by Just Blaze with him just talking filthy to everybody who always got something to say about him.
Starting point is 01:57:58 I would love to hear. Come on, man. I would love to hear that. Come on, man. That would be fantastic. I don't know how filthy, though. I don't know. Some things he's above.
Starting point is 01:58:04 I mean, he said he's some things he's above, but, you know, he can be speaking from a healed version to these. True. True, true, true. Yes. Well, if you guys like those records, make sure you guys tap into my playlist. the certified playlist. I like all of them. Okay, good. I'm going to text them to you.
Starting point is 01:58:19 But for everybody else, make sure you guys follow me on the gram at NILA-S-Y-L-A-M-O-N-E-E-E. They're all added to the playlist. And yeah, we'll be back next year. So happy holidays. Peace. When we come back, we got the people's choice mix.
Starting point is 01:58:33 1-800-585-105-1. Don't call for no request because that's just a lie that they tell you for no reason. It's the Breakfast Club. Yes, it's the World Most Dangerous Morning Short Breakfast Club. Shalameen the God. DJ Envy.
Starting point is 01:58:44 Just hilarious. Lauren LaRosa is here as well. And Sunday is World Meditation Day. You know, I'm a big proponent of meditation. I can get up to about five minutes of stillness, you know what I mean? But Shaka Khan, Shaka Khan and her foundation is doing a collaboration with the United Nations Office for Partnerships. And she's co-host in the second annual UN World Meditation today from 12 to 1 p.m. And we have her on the phone right now to talk about it.
Starting point is 01:59:10 Peace, Ms. Shaka Khan. I'm peace. She is my brother. How are you? I'm blessed black. and highly favorite. Why you didn't bring your pretty self in the studio so I can hug you? Well, you wouldn't want to hug me right now. Good morning, Ms. Shaka Khan.
Starting point is 01:59:26 Good morning. Who's this I'm talking to? Lauren. That's Lauren LaRosa. This is Shalameen. I know you have your Shaka Khan. The Shaka Khan Foundation and collaboration with United Nations Office for Partnerships is co-hosting the second annual UN World Meditation Day. Yes. And that's shakakakon.org. Shaka Khan.org, yes. That org, yes, that's very important.
Starting point is 01:59:47 How has meditation, our spiritual practices, helped you, Ms. Shaka? It's helped me to stay calm. Mm. And to go for the loving aspect of human nature as opposed to, you know, how I can be. Mm. I go for the higher ground.
Starting point is 02:00:09 And that's what we all have to do in these times. jail things are, you know, a little bit nutty right now, and we need to all really go for the higher part of life. You know, we have to really look for the best parts of all people. You're, you know, just, just, just for, you know, just, just for, you know, just go for the, right now things are crazy. You have to be right. People are a little bit, you know, unsure about what's happening in life and what's going to come next. The thing is
Starting point is 02:00:41 is to trust in the fact that we all are in this together. And if we choose love and choose peace and choose patience, these are the things that we need to really go for it.
Starting point is 02:00:57 Absolutely. And it can be rough sometimes. But it is the beauty of us is that we are able to go from one place to another really quickly. And we should be about that. I saw a comment that you made. You said I spent decades performing for the world,
Starting point is 02:01:14 but meditation taught me how to perform for my soul first. At what point in your career did you realize that you weren't performing for your soul first? Well, I think I got that early on in life, even though I couldn't, I couldn't really talk about it. I didn't really, you know, I didn't know what was going on, except that I was singing and I was loving it. And I was receiving a lot of love too. from the people I was singing too
Starting point is 02:01:41 it became it's really my it's what I do for a living I'm like they I feel like a preacher you know and I feel you know like one of God's children who have
Starting point is 02:01:59 privilege to talk to to be about talk to vast amounts of people and touch them in a good and loving way. And that's what we need to be about these days right now. I agree.
Starting point is 02:02:16 Patience. Why did you choose a partner with the United Nations for this? Because they have a global. They are global. I mean, it's wonderful. We are so honored and thankful. You know, that the United Nations, you know, the World Meditation Day, you know,
Starting point is 02:02:34 it feels the same way that we do. and they've really been great so far and I'm looking forward today for a World Meditation Day to maybe get us all on one mental, heartfelt place at the same time. It's a big thing. It's a beautiful thing.
Starting point is 02:02:58 Absolutely. We're not going to keep you. I just want to ask you, though, what does meditation give you now? That success and accolades and the fame never could. well it keeps me grounded and um i see things for what they really are you know what i'm saying and we are really about loving each other and being patient with one another um sharing our gifts um and it's a i'm really honored to be in this place in my life um i'm having i'm having I'd be, you know, that God chose me. Absolutely.
Starting point is 02:03:41 Did you be doing what I'm doing? I'm honored. Well, we were honored to have you on the phone this morning, Ms. Shaka Khan. Tell them what she's doing again, Laura? You're headed to the U.N. today, right? That's right. It's lovely weather. I know, right?
Starting point is 02:03:55 It's raining here in New York. And so you guys will be working just based off your partnership because of World Meditation Day. Because you shared on Instagram already and millions of people tuned in, so now you'll be doing it with the U.N. Right. Right. And many, many people will be tuned in. And will it be a live meditation session that we'll be able to watch? That's right.
Starting point is 02:04:15 And how can people tune in? ShakaConFoundation.org. Got you. Okay. Thank you. Tune in. Tune in and give us your love and let's spread it. We will.
Starting point is 02:04:25 We'll. Let's spread it to everyone. And I hope to see you soon in this studio now. Hi. Yeah. Well, I'll be there soon. That's true. All right.
Starting point is 02:04:35 Peace, Miss Chaka Khan. Well, God bless you all. All right, peace. And thank you. Thank you. Morning, everybody is DJ NV. Just hilarious. Shalamey and the guy.
Starting point is 02:04:44 We are the Breakfast Club. Now, Jess, you in D.C. this weekend? Yep, I'm in D.C. We had a show last night. We got two tonight. We got two tomorrow and one on Sunday. So get your tickets if you have not yet. We do have merch.
Starting point is 02:04:55 Don't play with me. Merch. That's for the new tour coming up at 2026. Last night was dope. I haven't done a show on a Thursday, like a weekday show in a long time. about like eight years, but it was amazing saying so many people come out through the rain, parking ain't good, but they was in there, flyed. He was ready to see Jess and Desi, so I appreciate you, D.C.
Starting point is 02:05:18 We're going to have a lot more fun this weekend. All right. That's time to get up out of here. You guys have a great week, a great holiday, a happy New Year. We'll see you on the other side. Shulman, you got a positive note. I do, man. I've been telling y'all this for some days now, and I just want to remind you, this is the year of the Snobank.
Starting point is 02:05:36 Okay, as the snake sheds its skin, may this year bring renewal, okay? 2025, you still got what I think 14, 13 days left to shed everything that is no longer serving you, okay? The snake says you have to get rid of the old to make way for the new. Don't be afraid to start again. Be flexible and open to change. Focus on your goals. Let go of the past. Okay, I need y'all to do that before the year is over, man, because we're in the year
Starting point is 02:06:06 the snake, but you only got like 10, 13 days left until the year of the horse. So have a great, happy holidays and all of that good stuff. Breakfast club, bitches. You all finished or y'all's done? Woke up, woke up. Wake that ass up.
Starting point is 02:06:21 Program your alarm to Power 105.1 on IHeartRadio. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it ripped through me. In season two of RipCurrent, we asked who tried to kill Judy Barry and why? They were climbing trees, and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. She received death threats before the bombing.
Starting point is 02:06:43 She received more threats after the bombing. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Robert Smith, and this is Jacob Goldstein, and we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History. about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline is.
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