The Breakfast Club - G Herbo Talks New Album, XXXTentacion, Life As A Dad, Mental Health + More

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

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We got a special guest, some special guests in the building this morning. Yes, sir. We got a brother G Herbo here. What's up, brother? And who you got with you, G Herbo? I got Drench, man. Drench.

My blood cousin man what's going on feeling good I'm good bro first of all happy birthday you just celebrated happy belated thank you appreciate it broski and it's crazy because I thought I had I thought I listened to Survivor's Remorse yeah and then a whole other goddamn album dropped I was like how this thing got through an hour and some change that fast yeah man oh man i'm excited i'm just happy to be here bro i'm i'm blessed you know to be able to put this project out but it's it's more than just an album you know what i'm saying i really i i feel it like i just i feel the universe and the energy like around it like i really feel like it's a moment of triumph for me when i wasn't even

trying to celebrate it you know what i'm saying like i went through so much recording this project and just so much in life growing as a man you know i'm saying and and and this album is a complete reflection a complete testament of who i am and how i've grown as a man you know what i'm saying and i feel it you know uh paying off for me you know i'm saying i'm just trying to just just ride the wave of that you feel i'm saying it ain't about music or the internet or numbers or analytics i'm just trying to ride the wave of feeling good you know you said one part of survival one part is remorse remorse so it makes me wonder like how do you celebrate your wins while while still being haunted by like that it's hard to do it you know i'm saying because and I always been that type of guy, you know what I'm saying?

Like, early, and it's messed up to even feel like that and have to think like that, man. Growing up, I started doing music when I was 16 years old, you know what I'm saying? I started making money at 16. He'd tell you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wasn't able to, you know, grow into or just reach my full potential because I'm always worried about what somebody else thinks or, you know what I'm saying, what somebody else don't have or what I can't provide for somebody else

because I've always just been a person with a big heart. It's not like that I had to do these things. I always wanted to just look out for everybody around me, and I couldn't, you know what I'm saying? And that's what Survivors of Morrissey is 10 years later. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm trying to say, Sean. I mean, I've never really been able to, like,

celebrate my wins for real, and that's probably why I'm so humble because I don't live in a moment. I don't live in a certain thing. I don't pat myself on the back. I just try to get better and be like, all right, it's cool. It's cool.

How are you able to do that now, though? Now I'm able to do it because it's like, now it's like, it ain't even, this is what I got to do. Like, now I'm able to do it because it's like now it's like it ain't even it's this what I got to do like now I'm just trying to turn my life into a routine for real like it ain't even just about cuz you you know we'll get lost in it shit it's so much fun doing we doing we young we able to like party do shows club do all this stuff every night but at the end of day is like it's a routine I had so much fun last night I had to get up and be here right now you know what i'm saying like i can't really i gotta just make sure my life is on point everywhere you know it'd be hard to explain you know what i'm

saying because it's like i can't get excited about none of this you know because i know where to get taken away i know at the end of the day i gotta be serious about everything i'm doing you feel me and it's hard trying to balance that that's really like all in all it the end of the day, I got to be serious about everything I'm doing, you feel me? And it's hard trying to balance that. That's really, like, all in all, it's survival of the morose. I can't even really have fun doing something that's really fun to me. My life, I'm blessed. I'm supposed to be having fun every day, you feel what I'm saying? But I got to balance it.

Like, no, it ain't fun, you feel me? Yeah, I was tripping off, if you get what I'm saying. No, I get it. I was tripping off the song Change because, you know, you talk about, like about your PTSD in regards to, I guess, the gun violence you saw as a youth, but how it still impacts you as an adult, getting your cars bulletproof because you're afraid for your kids. I'm cool. I be feeling like I'm good in a lot of senses. Like, all right, man, I'm good. By any means, I know I'm going to do whatever necessary for me to get home. And that's making sure I am secure. You know what I'm saying? All that. But I think about that type of stuff like and I don't even want to feel like I'll be having like wicked thoughts or dark thoughts and that like that. But I really think about when I got my kids, somebody to try to hurt me or what if this happened? You know what I'm saying? And I hate to think like that, but I got to,

because that's how I just make sure that everybody's safe. You also talk about in one of your songs, you're bigger than a lot of artists that have bigger records than you, that are supposed to be bigger hits. You have more fans, you have more money. Do you feel like a lot of times people don't necessarily, what's the word I'm looking for, respect you as you should be because of the groundwork that you put in,

the fact that you have a huge fan base, you sell out all these concerts, but you don't have a number one record. Yeah, and it's crazy, bro. I don't really take it personal, but I know it, you feel what I'm saying? And I know it's a popularity contest, you feel what I'm saying? It ain't real. And it's like that don't mean I don't respect it. I respect the game.

I love what I do. I love the industry, but you got to understand, I know the industry don't love me back. And it's like that don't mean I don't respect it. I respect the game. I love what I do. I love the industry. But you got to understand, I know the industry don't love me back. And that's cool. Why do you think that? I feel like not even the industry don't love me back. I take that back. I take that back.

The industry is you can't take nothing personal. You just got to take the good with the bad, take the punches and thud, because what I mean about an industry Don't love me back is I know this industry eat me alive It'll swallow me whole one bad thing one mistake anything. I do just being a human being I'm not perfect so me just being myself growing I might make one mistake that just people don't like and You would think it's over what you would feel like it if you take it personally Well, you let your emotions or anything get in the way,

and that's what, like, have to do with, like, a hit record. I don't, people, I got fans, so I don't know what's a hit record or not. I'm just saying at the end of the day, the numbers never made me, and I never had to get here off of having a hit record or,

you know what I'm saying? I always felt like my lifestyle was bigger than my music for a lot, you know what I'm saying, a lot of times, and that's why I just try to be solid, just stay a solid dude, because at the end of the day, if you just be solid, it don't matter what hiccups come with the game or how long it take you to grow.

You feel what I'm saying? I'm 27. I feel like I've been doing this for so long because it's been 10 years, but I was a kid. I ain't do nothing but just turn into a man in front of everybody's eyes. You feel me? So it's like, to me, it went like this, but at the end of the day, it took so long. So that's what I mean by, like, the industry don't love me.

You feel what I'm saying? Because I know the world ain't fair, and I'm cool with it. If it makes you feel better, radio don't know what a hit record is anymore. They don't. They don't. And that's the beauty of it now, though. You feel what I'm saying? Like, we don't even, we could just, I feel like, and that's, it's perfect.

I could just win off of being me, you know? And I learned that, though. Like, I had to grow into that. Like, it's cool. You could just be yourself now. And, like, people are going to rock with you for just being you. You know what I'm saying? Like, it took this, I didn't do, what this, my third time doing a breakfast club?

Third or fourth time? You feel what I'm saying? But every, I could see y'all wherever. We could be at the grocery store, and y'all are going to be like, I mess with her, I rock with her. You know, we could have a 10, 15-minute conversation just wherever we see each other. Y'all don't do that with everybody. You know what I'm saying?

Definitely not. I just try to be silent and build my relationship. You know, every time I stop, we give each other hugs wherever we at. You feel me? It's like, that's what I care about. I don't feel like that with everybody. And that's what's gonna keep you like,

that's what's gonna give you longevity in this industry. It ain't about the music. It's about just building. How did you end up at Republic? Because, you know, that's a newer situation for you. So what made you decide to do that deal? I love Republic. I love Republic.

You know, shouts out to everybody at Republic. And for me, it always been about partnerships anyway, you know. And I always, you know, I always felt like republic was like the top label in the industry anyway you know saying when it comes to like partnerships ups I've been independent the whole time I own everything from saying it is that's the thing is like you got to understand we're dealing with other companies and other you know I'm saying labels you gonna have to be in a little bit you know and it ain't it don't have to do with like money or anything like that it's about I had to follow a structure they made me push my album

back I was upset I ain't gonna lie but for what what's the reason for what was the reason they tell you to push I was back now they because they they they so they tell me they want to give me the full you know I'm saying look Walker just have I could I could capitalize off of everything that they want to give me the full, you know what I'm saying, look, well, I could just have, I could capitalize off of everything that they could do for me, you know what I'm saying? Like, all right, we're going to put the fuel on it. We're going to do this. We're going to do that, you know.

But at the end of the day, me betting on myself, I always feel like these was my plan. This is what I want to do. A, B, C. I want to, these, when I want to drop, how I want to drop it, these videos, I want to do these media outlets, these platforms. I already have my rollout in my head two months before I even drop, you feel what I'm saying? But with having that, and then they tell you, all right, now I'll do it this way, you got to still just swallow it and be like, all right, it's cool.

We're going to work together, you feel what I'm saying? It's strategic. I don't mind doing that, you know what I'm saying? And that's what I like about Republic. Well, you know, it's strategic. Everything is, they want the best for you. I don't mind listening. Somebody might be in your way and that's what I like about Republic well let you know it's strategic everything they go I'm the best for you I don't matter that's what it is you know and I learned that like being stubborn working with other people like now you don't want to do this you think somebody not

really believing in you but at the end of the day they really are you know and they just want you to listen and I learned that you know I'm saying just having people around me this way no I bet you could just rock out a little bit or a little bit you feel me now but being on the other side you understand more you understand like there might be traffic there might be an artist there might be traffic

we know you can get a number one record we know you can hit this so let's just wait a week where there's no traffic where there's nobody in your way but being an artist

you'd be mad certain days would be special till you like nah it wasn't even about dropping on my birthday I wanted to drop before my birthday you feel me

and it's so crazy I didn't even care about celebrating my birthday I just wanted my album to be, you feel me? And it's so crazy. I didn't even care about celebrating my birthday. I just wanted my album to be out, you feel me? So I still, you know, I listened to them when they told me to push it back, and it all worked out for me. Wasn't it Juicy Republic? No, Juicy Endoscope.

Oh, Endoscope. Okay, okay, okay. I was going to ask you, you know, you had two kids, and I've been seeing your video of your kids beating you up. Three now, man. Three all together. That's right. I was going to ask, you know, how has that changed you?

I always say, like, the happiest I'm going to ever be is just hanging with my kids. You know what I'm saying? Especially when I got all three of them in the house together, man. It's perfect. You feel what I'm saying? And your son, the only thing, you know, I'm thinking as I'm walking here for real, and I knew y'all was going to ask me something about my kids, and the reason why I go so hard and why it's so important

because the time that I spend away from my kids got to mean something, man. You feel what I'm saying? I'm really sacrificing time away from my kids, not seeing them for this. You feel me? So it got to mean something. It got to work. You know, it got to work for me. It got to work for them because that's the foundation that I mean something. It gotta work, you know? It gotta work for me. It gotta work for them

because that's the foundation that I'm laying, you feel what I'm saying? And my kids don't know they Daddy G Herbo for real. Like, his son know because everybody, you know, we'll be walking

or in the airport or something and people be like, hey, your son, hey. He's a celebrity. How do you know my name? You know what I'm saying? He fine. He don't really understand.

He ask me now, like, Daddy, am I famous? You know, and I'll be like, I'll be wanting to tell him no. But then I'll be like, you feel me? But then I'll be like, yeah. You told him to put some on your body, some on the jewelry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different, man.

Like, just having him around other kids and stuff, you know, they treat him like a celebrity. But it's like, I'm saying that to say, like, I want all my kids to have foundation, balance. You feel me? So it got to mean something. Me moving fast, I be on the road so much and worry about money, and you don't even realize you really raising your kids a certain way.

You feel what I'm saying? Like, I don't want my kids to grow up how I grew up for one, but I don't want them to grow up just like an industry kid or like, you know what I'm saying? I want my kid to grow up regular, man. I want him to just have his innocence you family that's charismatic and freedom to just beat him all my kids you found saying and that's important so and I always used to say that I got to go hard well I could have the freedom to take a yell

for real like a real year to just travel and be with my family you know I'm saying like I always meant wanted to be that type of type of artist to had it cuz I feel like I ain't gonna be able to raise my kids right if I'm just focused on this. Yeah, it sounds on the album, too. Does he understand that? How did he react when he heard it? He called me on FaceTime. He called me first.

He's like, Daddy, it's your birthday? I'm like, yeah, it's my birthday. He said, I didn't miss it? I said, no. He said, I was so scared I was going to miss your birthday. It just dropped. Your birthday just dropped. But he's talking about the album.

Your birthday just came out. And he was listening to the song. He was listening to Fog of Me on the TV. And he turned around. It's just crazy that he really understand it. You feel what I'm saying? He's seeing it now. He a fan of the music.

He don't just listen to my music. He just a fan of music and the culture, you know what I'm saying? But I got to, that's like, I noticed that, and that's why I don't whoop my kids. I just let them, how I grew up, that's why I'm so smart now. I was exposed to so much, you feel what I'm saying? Like, you got to still expose your kids to things so we can learn. Like, I feel like that's knowledge that my son growing,

and I'm just be able to, like, polish it all up just by talking to him. You know, I'm going to be honest with all my kids. You feel what I'm saying? And that's how they're going to structure that foundation because that's how I got it.

My parents were just honest with me, brutally honest. We saw you in a protective father mode. When was that? When you was out with your child

and somebody was being a little too pushy? Yeah, yeah. The crew league. I'd just be trying to like, you know, I'm cool. I'm friendly. You feel what I'm saying?

But I would just be trying to like, it ain't really that, you know, because a lot of times people be trying to go viral. And I was stopping it right then because had it been something that would have offended me, it would have went all the way to a whole nother level. So people thought I was joking, but I wasn't mad at them. I was just showing them like, don't play. You feel what I'm saying? Especially when you're with your kids.

Absolutely. You can't even play while I'm with nobody that I care about, especially my kids. So I just wanted to just let, like, just draw that line right there. Now you talked about wanting to maybe take a year off, if you felt like it, and be able to take a break. But last year I know you went through a lot. So how was it for you to be able to get back to work?

And how did you deal during that time? It was a lot i don't lie and i went to a real slump you know what i'm saying i wouldn't even i would say it was depression but you know like like we say another day we wouldn't call it depression we had think that you know it's cool like all right it's just a tough patch in my life but really being depressed out when i when my little brother died i went literally like out of the whole year, I probably out of a year, I don't even think I had a whole month sober, like in total days, like I was drinking literally every day. I wake up drinking, I'm drinking, going to work,

doing interviews. And it's not like, I ain't never really, besides having fun, ain't nobody never see me in no interview like, oh, Herb was drunk, he had alcohol, he can can't work I was stugging through it I just went through it you feel I'm saying it it was hard it's tough to you know go through that and and and be honest with yourself I'm knowing every day like man I'm drinking too much you feel me you know how that feel to be like I'm drinking you feeling like you were alcoholic but you still drinking just because you want to be able to get through the day you feel I'm I'm saying? And it was tough, you know. I got discipline at the end of the day, and that's crazy. I got a discipline. I have addictive personality where I can snap out of something so quick

and snap in so quick. You feel what I'm saying? When I want to do something that's cool, can't nobody tell me. My girl, my mama, everybody, I'm like, I'm just drinking. You feel what I'm saying? Because I was depressed, and I felt like I had to go through it a certain way on my own. You feel me?

Even though I got everybody around me trying to help me and push me through this. You know how it go when you stubborn. You feel I'm saying? It can't nobody. I don't have to listen to nobody. You feel me? I got my own money, my own career, my own cause. I'm just doing what I want to do.

But at the end of the day, it's taking away so much. You feel me? My daughter was and we joke about it now. When my daughter was born, bro, I was drunk in the delivery room sleep drunk because i'm excited i'm nervous but it's just life going at me so i really went into a real depression when my little brother got killed you feel me how'd you get out of it though like i'm still in it yeah i'm still in it but like i said i just snap out because I know. I'm like, man, I can't keep drinking like this.

You feel what I'm saying? I can't keep. I just got to snap out of it, you know? And it's crazy. As soon as my daughter was born, I started to get a little more disciplined. You feel what I'm saying? Just a little more. And that's all you need, just a little more to just be better tomorrow than you was. You feel what I'm saying?

The day before. I'm still battling with it for sure. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not. I'm cool. cool you feel me you had two sons first and so how is having a daughter different now it's so different like and i'll be saying i'll be joking a lot it's like i feel like i'm scared of my daughter she only four months like i got four of them so it's only gonna get worse yeah it's like as soon as i had her, it was just everything about her so delicate. You know, you're afraid.

With my sons, I just, it's cool. I'm afraid to hold her a certain way. As soon as she started crying, I'm just like, huh, fix it. I just don't want her to cry. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. That's just no, like, that's how I know our relationship going to be. You feel what I'm saying?

Like, you know, having kids, they personality, like personality like developed instantly I already know how my kids gonna act right now you found saying so well her having a daughter is like I just want to do whatever she need you feel me like whatever she want me to do I'm gonna do it you know and I could I could just tell just by the relationship that we got already she's sassy like she she works in a moment you found saying like she's super super troll you she gonna control than her mama. You feel what I'm saying? Like, she's super sassy. She gonna control you. She gonna control me.

That's right. I can't wait. I just want to do whatever she tells me to do. Why was it important for you to, like, start showing the world your scars and your trauma? You know, it was important for me because I felt like I was helping other people that's like me, you know what I'm saying?

And that's, like, that's a fault, too. You know people that's like me, you know what I'm saying? And that's a fault too. That's one of my flaws because I actually want people to think like me. You feel what I'm saying? People don't really... Say, for instance, I was an OG where I come from. Will nobody be really giving me the sauce and pouring all the knowledge and everything

that they have into me for me to be better than them? I really want everybody around me to be better. Sometimes they think I'm tweaking, like, you preaching to me. You want me to do this. Or, you know, sometimes you don't even want to open up and tell people because it hurts you. Like, I'm trying to give you the game. I'm trying to give you the sauce.

You feel me? Like, that's something that's always been important to me. You know what I'm saying? And I be trying to get into the groove of just like being regular you feel me like and I don't know how to I don't know how to like not be myself you feel me like that's the thing with being an artist being a rapper they think that we sweet perfect for real and he posted like oh yeah her supposed to pop out here day and be this way he post have 100 niggas when he post out

all this jury on he post that is he supposed to be this you know I'm saying music I'm just trying to be myself you know I'm so like I don't really go on a studio and be like I need to make a song to make me turn up or I need to look good for my fans or you know I'm just trying to just get through the day for real you found saying it and that's why it's easy for trying to just get through the day for real you feel i'm saying it and that's why it's easy for me to just open up and be vulnerable with my music sometimes i don't even want it to you feel me because i don't i don't take nothing personal people take it personally sometimes my music i might be talking about something that i went through with my mom my

mom ain't finna get offended that i said something you know i'm saying like other people might get offended about something you're saying but at the end of the day It's a form of therapy for me I go to the studio and sometimes I know the song ain't even gonna come out But I just want to get it off my chest. I just be want to say certain things You know and I know when me with me doing that people who look up to me like I They get it you from saying they they they get it like I heard he going through this so he talking about this this way and like They get it. Like, I heard he going through this, or he talking about this this way. And, like, we was just at the mental health.

And Anthony Hamilton said, like, everybody don't got the same story, but we relate in a lot of ways. We go through the same things. You feel what I'm saying? So that's why I be trying to do it because I know if I just let it all out there, it's going to help somebody in some type of way because somebody's going to relate to it. You feel me? It ain't even about me, bro.

I promise. I don't be trying to make music to make nobody look at me or think about me a certain way. I'll just be trying to get it out to not only help myself because it helped me, bro. I promise. After I drop my album, and I don't even want to say this. You feel what I'm saying?

It's different. I didn't put so much into it. But when the first A$AP drop, it was just me and Nick in the studio, me and my engineer. And I cried tears because it ain't about the music. It's like, no, I really here. I did something. You feel what I'm saying? I completed something that I was trying to complete while I was going through a lot of stuff.

You feel me? Like, that's what was important to me. That's why I'm going to talk about it through my music because I want people to know, like, I'm human. And you should, man. You know, it's so interesting it's like you know you you were at the mental wealth expo this weekend I thank you for you know pulling up because when you see those young people in the audience it's one thing to hear me talking about things I hear all of those like you know psychiatrists and therapists talking about things but when they see G Herbal

20 something years old successful rapper just bearing it all and letting people know like yo you go through things too that makes them want to get on their healing journey super early and make you want to turn up that's right i can't be sitting here just depressed drowning in my thoughts you feel i'm saying because i'm smoking it away drinking it away the way you feel me because it's easy to do that but at the end of the day it's even better when you just like you take that and turn in fuel and get on your grind and make you like appreciate the pain and and turn it in fuel and get on your grind and make you, like, appreciate the pain

and make you appreciate the journey and what you've been through. You know what I'm saying? That's why I be wanting to do it. And you have the nonprofit, too, right? Yeah, Swerving Through Stress. All right, so what's going on with that? Swerving Through Stress. Because I know that's important to you.

Yeah, super important, Swerving Through Stress. I partnered with my homie McKinley, Project Swish, back in Chicago. You know, Project Swish started um my homie mckinley uh project swish uh back in chicago where you know it's project swish started with um my homie he is like basketball he in the in the trenches like the in the city the dangerous neighborhoods he got real basketball programs where he is able to go like tournaments like whatever you feel like he's so turned with obama just called his phone like Like, it's whole different. But I'm saying that to say, like, I partnered with, bro, Swerving Through Stress, for me, it started,

it was supposed to have been like a mental health hotline. You know, we just started to get a number to, like, 100 kids, 150 kids. But when we launched it, it probably was, like, what, like 5,000, 10,000 people signed up for it instantly. So I knew, like, all right, it's for real. You know what I'm saying? We got the facility. We own the facility back at home.

And we about to really have like therapists there like five days a week. You feel what I'm saying? Like arts, engineering, videography, trade, swerving through stresses, being able to navigate, you know what I'm saying, through life. And we giving you the tools to be able to do that. You feel'm saying because we're not saying it's going to be easy life is going to be hard it's going to be tough but at least we're going to give you the resources to

be able to you know i'm saying take it and and build something from it you feel i'm saying it's hard when you're going through stuff and you don't have no opportunity you know when it's tough when you in the in the streets you don't got no food no no family no nothing you know i'm saying like it's hard when you have that and then you have nothing to look forward to we're gonna give y'all something to look forward to you feel me and i'm gonna do my all to bring resources back you know i'm saying to to chicago you feel me and um how early on did you arrive at the place where you wanted to start your healing process uh Probably, like, I think I really started for real probably around, like, when my son was first born,

when your son was born, like, 2018. I was going through something. I was fighting a case in Chicago, you know. And that was, like, COVID for me, for real. When I was fighting that gun case in Chicago, I couldn't move. I couldn't travel. I didn't do no shows for a year, like, nothing.

And behind the scenes, it was real, real stressful. Ain't nobody really know nothing that I was going through. Like, right before COVID hit. As soon as I beat the case and I was able to travel, I probably was able to do shows for, like, two or three months. And COVID hit. And it was, like, really, I did, like, two years without nothing. You feel what I'm saying?

Was fucking your money up? Yeah, a lot. Of course. So much money. And paying for lawyers. Man, I was paying for everything. I'm still, my lifestyle didn't downgrade.

I just wasn't making a lot of money. You feel me? Did you have good savings or something? Yeah, I was definitely saving my money. I was still making

and that's the credit residual. You feel what I'm saying? I always been making money but I wasn't making show money. I wasn't making ancillary money but I was always making residual money.

You feel what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, it was still tough because I still got to pay employees. I got to still pay my bills. I still got to pay security, be safe. I'm still doing all the things necessary to remain G Herbo while I'm behind the scenes. I'm going through so much. My fans didn't know I couldn't do no shows.

My fans didn't know I couldn't see them. Nothing. I didn't do a show for it. Yeah, I couldn't leave Chicago. I was stressed out. You know how that is? Me being G Herbo stuck in Chicago for a year, that was stressful, bro. You probably got people around you like, man, we about to go rob.

Man, that shit was like a dark cloud over me, bro. I didn't want to be there at all, but I had to. You feel what I'm saying? And I went through it, though. It was cool. You feel like me and my girl was at the worst. I was so mad. I was depressed. I couldn't do nothing but just be stuck in Chicago me and my girl was at the worst I was so mad I was depressed

I couldn't do nothing but just be stuck in Chicago you feel what I'm saying that was tough but I'm saying that to say and I'm glad people can hear me saying that because it's always

light at the end of the tunnel you know what I'm saying and being an artist it'll make you mad at going to a slump you feel me a lot of people can't really survive

going through a whole year not seeing your fans doing those shows or dropping no music. I wasn't dropping music either. Really? Two years now? Yeah.

You're breaking down like that? Because you said COVID was right after that. Yeah, COVID hit right after. You feel what I'm saying? And that just, it really just built character. I was, my discipline was on a whole other level after that. And I knew, like, I could just lock in, like, whenever I really want to lock in and do something.

That's why it's easy for me to, like, I ain gonna say easy it's just i'm able to i'm able to stop drinking when i won't stop smoking you feel i'm saying even when i go into these slumps and you know just be mentally in my thoughts i could snap out of it right there because was you able to record though during all that time that's all i was doing was recording that's all i was doing was recording music and i just came up with something yeah that's all i was doing was recording music, and I just came up with so many songs. That's all we got so much music now. Yeah, that's all I was doing was recording music that whole time. Literally, some of them songs I recorded then, like, still songs that I'm putting out to this day, for real. You think that people don't respect the Chicago music scene the way that they should?

You know, I was just at that Chella's birthday party, my girl Chella, and I seen Sasha Gohard was there, Katie got bands. Yeah, that's her name. party my girl chela and i've seen sasha gohard was there katie got bands you know you was there um but you guys have a lot of great artists but charlamagne you guys gonna have this discussion about the whole chief keith thing that went viral and so what are your thoughts on that you think people aren't giving you guys the credit um and you know what it's about accountability too i don't i i'm not even gonna say people not giving us the credit we not we're not really like laying our mark the way we supposed to be films and I'm just saying that because I feel like we just need to unify more Chicago that's what we need unity you feel me and that's what make

other cities stick out you know like even New York New York probably not like people they say like New York not really unified when it come but it is you feel me like you could really see five ten artists from New York probably not like, people, they say like New York not really unified when it comes, but it is, you feel me? Like you could really see five, 10 artists from New York on stage together, in a studio together. You probably a hymn on one song. You're not really gonna hear that in Chicago, you feel what I'm saying? Men or women, you know?

And I ain't even gonna say that we don't get the respect because people see it. They just waiting on us to go crazy. Like Katy got a song with Nicki Minaj right now, you feel? We always had the respect that we deserve, but we just gotta, like, own it. You feel what I'm saying?

And I think that's what we're missing. You know, we just get too caught up in ourselves from Chicago. You feel me? Like, that's what we need,

the unity. If we just own it and swag up, like, even me personally, like, I feel like I'm our best artist when I'm confident,

you know, but I gotta be not going, when I'm going through stuff personally it's hard for me to just think about being a rapper because I'm really going through stuff you know I ain't trying to like smile through it a lot of times you feel me or just be like being an artist you gotta be confident you gotta be cocky but it's hard to be cocky and confident when you really going through some person when you don't want to like I can't fly. I ain't never not had money or not had things to be confident and cocky,

but that's just not my character. That's just not me. You feel what I'm saying? I gotta snap into something mentally to even be a rapper or feel like a rapper. You feel what I'm saying? And that just comes from trauma, and I feel like a lot of people from Chicago go through that. Men, women, you feel me? So I think that's

what we're missing. you know? I feel like Chicago's always gotten their credit music-wise, though. I've never looked at Chicago. Music-wise, we always got our credit. Like, Reese, he always got his... He had Drake record, Rick Ross record, Dirt, everybody always had... Kanye West. Yay, like, everybody... Common, Crucial Conflict, Twisted. I don't like, you feel me? Like, everybody

from our generation to the generation before, we always got our flowers in Chicago, you know? I just feel like we never really capitalized off of it because we're not together. We need to really get united. You feel me? How did something like that happen? I don't know. I really don't know, man.

What you think, JB? You got to tell me, man. You'll be spitting that knowledge when you say stuff like that. Come on, JB. I don't know. I think what we really need to unify is OGs. Yeah, we need OGs to speak. I think we need better execs.

I think a lot of times these kids go on their own, and because of the trauma, it's hard for them to trust. I've been around Herb, Mick, and I since he's been 15, and around all the guys since they've been 15. So I've seen around Herb, Mick and I, since he's been 15 and around all the guys since they've been 15. So I've seen them grow. But I think the difference in what Herb has is that he has execs that have been around the business that can help him, that can coach him and let him see what he needs to actually see in order for him to grow. And I think that as we continue to do that with all these kids and more execs come along, I think that you'll begin to see how we can grow as a community in the business.

I mean, we're extremely successful as an independent label. We've done deals that nobody has done in these buildings, and we'll continue to do that. But it's how do we continue to share and spread the knowledge for these kids to grow. So I think that as the executives get better and we learn better, then we can lead better and, you know, take these kids to the next level. I believe that.

That's what I think. And with, like, to chime in on what he's saying with, like, execs or just building bosses under you, feel i'm saying like turning us into execs and bosses because it's it's like with trust it's hard to trust each other it's hard to unify like say for example if we want to put a tour together with all the artists the first thing you're gonna say is where the money going who you know i'm saying we got to learn how to already protect ourselves financially you know i'm saying in the business and everything so we can really unify and get the money together, you know what I'm saying?

It ain't no big ads or little users. Ain't nobody thinking about how we going to get money together because we going to get money together and it's going to make sense. You feel me? Like, it got to be that simple. And that's your cousin, but that's your artist too, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, the last time I saw that from Chicago was when Dirk was up here with Vaughn.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And just Vaughn sitting in on the interview, people was like, oh, shoot, that's Vaughn. They were happy to see that. Yeah, for sure. And especially in the city, it's a win, you feel me? Because people know where we come from, you know, and you know what it takes to be able to be here.

Myself, personally, and for men, like, people don't know his story. He was just arrested. He was fighting four homicides. He was fighting a quadruple homicide. He was in the county for three years. He didn't even think he'd be here right now. You know what I'm saying? Like,

but we kept faith. We believe in God. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I knew me personally, I promised like, I always, you know,

I just feel from the day he got arrested. I'm like, man, he going to be back. You know, he going to be right here with me and we going to really do this the right way. You know what I'm saying? And that's, what's important to me. You you feel me that's what i'm trying to show

the world you know like you don't know what a person's story is or you know you just gotta always believe that throughout your journey you're gonna be successful and you're gonna fulfill your destiny i'm like you know i'm saying like that's the that's the stuff i'll be trying to like tap into and that's what i'll be wanting to preach because the music is easy the the more i mature and i become the best version of myself music i'm gonna be able to do that with my eyes closed I'm gonna be able to wrap circles around whoever as long as I'm the best version of myself though now let's have the Chief Keef combo because I think what people got misconstrued I never said Chief Keef wasn't influential yeah I said that the four I know exactly what you said yeah I said

the four most influential rappers of all time is Pac, Jay, Wayne, and Kanye. And then Nyla was like, well, you got to put Chief Keef in there. And I was like, well, I wouldn't put Chief Keef in there because Chief Keef influenced the sound in a region. Not saying he's not influential. I just don't think he's one of the four most influential rappers of all time. Yeah. No, see, look, and we both got confused with that.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what I meant when I was saying it. It's a sound. He influenced a sound in a generation of kids that even though Sosa is a global superstar, but even if he wasn't, just what he did and how he touched so many people and turned them into global superstars, that's what I meant. His influence is crazy. You know he's never done an overseas show?

Never. That's crazy. Because I don't think he can leave or something. I know Sosa ain't performed in Chicago in like eight years. He could sell out two United Centers right now. I know he will. If he came back to Chicago, it'll be crazy. Like, people got to understand, he that big with still, like, everything.

Like, I'm seeing hiccups, the stuff that you go through behind the scenes, and you just make it look good, you feel what I'm saying? Like, a lot of us not really able to reach our full potential because we go through so much, you know what I'm saying? And I can't tell you personally what he going through or what he may went through, why he not able to go tour out the country, you know what I'm saying? I can't go tour out the country right now, you feel what I'm saying?

But I'm just saying that to say you don't know what nobody going through behind the scenes. You're just trying to be the best version of yourself. But I ain't gonna lie. I respect you, bro. You've always been just solid. You know what I'm saying?

And it's hard to recognize solid people that just gonna speak their mind. It start a conversation. It start a controversy because it make you think solid people gonna say stuff that make other people think. You feel what I'm saying?

And like, we need it. But you see it generationally though. You see how clearly he influenced the whole generation. Because you had a whole generation being like, no! That's our guy! You know what I mean? She was trending for three days. It broke the internet, bro. Sosa made everybody get dreads. He made everybody

rock true religion. Like, it was different. He had like like, a different... He had that Kanye effect on our generation, for real. But Wayne will say he caused the whole generation to get dredged. And he will say... And 2 Chainz will say, I caused the whole generation to start wearing true religion. Or Jim Jones, you know what I mean?

But I seen it, though. I ain't like Wayne did do that. Like, he started making street dudes... I seen, like, real street dudes start getting, like, lip pierced when Wayne did that in Chicago. I know that was unheard of. Do you have a relationship with Wayne? I know he's your favorite. I seen real street dudes start getting lip pierced when Wayne did that in Chicago. That was unheard of. Do you have a relationship with Wayne?

I know he's your favorite. Yeah, he's my favorite all the time, for real. That's why I say he's one of the foremost influencers? Absolutely. Absolutely. I hollered at him a few times. I be hollering at him. You know what I'm saying?

But I really just got to connect for real, for real with him. Yeah, we close to getting something. Nah, I really got to get with him for real. Like, that's when I really, I'm going to feel like I made it when I get that. No lying. When I get a song with Wayne, just me and Wayne in the studio working, I'm going to really feel like it's that. Speaking of another Chicago artist that has inspired

a whole generation, Juice WRLD. Yeah. How hard was it to write a letter to Juice WRLD? Again, I was, one of of them days just in the studio drinking when i when i'm vulnerable and i open up i gotta be by myself for real like especially when i'm talking about real stuff like i it just be like me and my engineer you know it was like late and the song came on and i just started to think about i'm like man i'm gonna just make this song about juice and see if I can do it. Sometimes I challenge myself.

I was like, I wanted to do auto-tune. I was just in my thoughts for real. That's why at the end, I just started talking. I really felt like I was talking to him for real. You know what I'm saying? Juice, that's like, it be still. It don't really hit home all the time, trying know, face the reality of him not really being alive. That's one person I feel like I really been in denial about him being dead

since, you know what I'm saying, since it happened. It be hard, you feel me, like to acknowledge it, especially when you got to see his face all the time. You got to hear his music, you know what I'm saying. It be hard to really like acknowledge it, you know what I'm saying. So I guess me making that song was just like trying to holler at him, you know what I'm saying. And you said, I miss your soul, made my heart cold, but now I'm hot at you.

Describe those range of emotions. Man, it made me mad, bro. Like, for real. That's somebody that I couldn't fathom him not being here. You know what I'm saying? Him not, his journey was so, the upscale was just so big for him. It ain't even about music just him being a real pure that was a real pure soul for real bro like a

real good dude you know I'm saying like we ain't supposed to lose nobody like him if I'm saying like the world really needed little bro you know and that's what I meant by that like really he know like we used to have the conversation right now you know I'm real mad about you know what i'm saying about that what do you think just just the way it happened yeah the way it happened just him not being here you found something and or like what i mean is fighting his demons alone he didn't have to do that you know what i'm saying like and we think you know like i said we artists we on the road we having fun we making money do a thing getting high like it's normal you know people we be smiling we go through so we smile and still laugh and act a regular getting high you a thing somebody

Getting hackers. They just want to get hat. They get really getting hackers He really like hurt you know I'm saying like really going through something we need a family You ain't a lot of people ain't never really been to the point some people like get how to just be cool Some people really need it for real. And I be saying it a lot to myself. You don't know. It's a person who going through something, it's going to be the toughest when they in a room by themselves. It's cool for me to smile and hang out with y'all while I'm here.

We chilling, you know what I'm saying? But when I'm in a room by myself, that's when I'm in my thoughts. You feel me? So I feel like that's a dangerous type of person, a dangerous person to be, to take on so much. And when they get by theyself in the room, in they thoughts, that's when you know, like, who a person is, for real.

You feel what I'm saying? And that's what I mean. Like, he ain't have to be that person. You feel me? He had too many people around him that loved him. You know? And I just want to open up and say that because I know now, like,

I ain't going through nothing by myself, you feel me? It's just, it is what it is. I don't care if people could look at me crazy or whatever, like, I'm just going to open up about what I'm going through because I can't go through nothing.

There's too many people that depend on me for me to feel like I'm alone, you feel me? I'm going to build the support around me before I feel like I'm alone. Yeah, I saw you say that in Complex when you talked about your depression and you said you don't even know the support that you have until you open up and say something, like I'm alone. Yeah, I saw you say that in Complex. You talked about your depression, and you said you don't even know the support that you have until you open up and say something.

But I'm like, damn, Juice WRLD was super open in his music. Like, you could listen to Juice's music, and he was telling you he was going through things. So, like, nobody reached out? I mean, yeah, I used to talk to Lil Bro all the time about, like, and it'd be, like, even, like like even like not too personal like the smallest thing Mm-hmm some somebody going through with a girl or want to have a conversation with a mom or a friend or anybody You know just a pressure having so many people around you all the time

You feel me like those be the little things that really drive people off the lens It don't even really be like the super super deep shit It's every day that you're not really able to open up and say what it is because the people around you you supposed to be able to open up to them too if i'm around you every single day you feel me like i supposed to be able to talk to you you know like entourage whatever you my homie like i supposed to be you supposed to be on what i'm on you know what i'm saying i i feel like as artists we we like ignore that you feel me like and then we ignore that. You feel me? And then we be thinking, like, all right, it's cool.

We just getting high. We having fun. It just pick up. Like, it take a toll on you, bro. You feel what I'm saying? I could just be moving on the go, on the run so much, and then just me being tired. You know what I'm saying?

They could faint, pass out, anything. Just not saying I'm tired. You feel me? We need to be able to say, sometimes, as an artist, you don't even want to say you tired. Word up. I'm tired, man. I need to go to sleep for a whole tired. You feel me? Like, we need to be able to say, sometimes, like, as an artist, you don't even want to say you tired. Word up. I'm tired, man. Word up.

I need to go to sleep for a whole day. You feel me? Like, we need it. Everybody around got to know, like, I'm on what he on and he on what I'm on. Period. My man David McCullough, he said at the Mental Wealth Expo Saturday, he said, how many of y'all wake up and don't feel rested? I'm like, damn. I never even thought about it. Like, yo, you wake up and you still don't feel rested i'm like damn i never even thought about it like yo you wake up and

don't even you still don't feel rested that's crazy because you can't even turn your mind on it get like that bro and then it's like especially people like us because we we got to like it ain't like we're going to work a regular nine to five we got to be charismatic we got to hold conversations with people all the time you know i'm saying and you don't know where a lot of our minds be. A lot of our minds be other places, and we got to snap into just being able to have a regular conversation with people. You feel what I'm saying? So you got to really, like, salute the people who just out here functioning. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it be the small. I just respect people who able to get through the day. You know what I'm saying? Successfully. You feel me? Like, tilt your head off to those people. Absolutely. Let's get into it. Join up, Th the island what you want to hear uh what i want to hear i want to hear pay or essence man that's one of my favorites on the a side well the album is

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