The Breakfast Club - Gary Owen Opens Up About His Divorce From Kenya Duke, Falling Out With His Kids, Healing + More

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

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We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Who's come as himself today. What do you mean? Remember last time he came at 6'9"? That's a long time ago. That was so long ago. Then he came at somebody else before. Post Malone, but that was a long time ago.

This last time we seen him. No it's not. He's been up here as himself since then. Once since then. Yeah. Alright the last time we've seen him? No, it's not. He's been up here since then. All right, well. Yeah, once. Gary Owen, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. I think I came, when did I come last time?

Married. I'm just kidding. Married. Oh, married. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were married last time. That was a costume? That was a costume?

Is that what you're saying, Gary? Wow. That was an act? Wow. I'm kidding, kidding. you're saying, Gary? Wow. That was an act? Wow. Kidding, kidding. I didn't want to start there. Well, we were going to ask how you were doing. I was good.

I was asking before I got here, like, how much longer are you here? Oh, am I here? I'm not absolutely sure the date, but they said fall. So in the fall sometime. I feel like you said that to a black woman before in your life. Who doesn't stop leaving but doesn't have a date? I quit, but not today. Well, you know what?

They got to find replacements, so that takes a little time. I got to find my co-host. That ain't going to be in the next two months, though. Yeah, in order for us to throw that out there, we have to announce it. I think it's better you just weren't here. Shut up. It's just like, where's Angela? And all of a sudden, boom, got a new show.

She's out. Like Issa Rae. Like Issa Rae when she got married. Like, nobody knew, and it was just Mary. Yeah. You know what I mean? Is that how you're going to go about your life from now on? You know it.

So let's get into it, Gary. What the hell happened? What do you think happened? Well, according to BET last year good job your wife at the time Kenya Duke was slamming a woman she believed

to be your mistress she said you definitely know who I am you didn't care at Gary on comedy was is married and you don't seem to care he still hasn't seen his kids

which is weird because you are a baby mama you read it like with an attitude dang that was the first that was like the fourth thing that came out

right that was a lot of things that wasn't the first that was a good one though you that came out, right? That was a lot of things. That wasn't the first. That was a good one, though. You know why? Because me and Duvall and Carlos Miller, we always say black men don't cheat because we don't. You know? So if you was out here doing that, then you know you're proving us right.

Black men don't cheat. And you spent a lot of money, too, on the mistress because I saw that was part of the story. What? Did you cheat? Did you have a mistress here's the thing okay no good marriage ever ended because of cheating i'll put it that way no good marriage ever ended because of cheating the bad marriages have but no good marriage now that's debatable but that's a great talking point gary that's a good like that could

start a great conversation but also like, I left. This whole narrative was like, she left me because I got caught cheating. Correct. I left. Really? I filed first. I made the phone call saying, I don't want to be divorced. I don't want to be married.

So I want a divorce. So when everything came out, I just stayed quiet. But this whole narrative was, I got caught out there. She left me. That's not what happened. Okay, I thought she filed for whole narrative was, I got caught out there. She left me. That's not what happened. Okay, I thought she filed for divorce. No, I filed first. Of course she filed after me.

Why did you file? What wasn't working? You can get into all kinds of reasons. But the end of the day is you're unhappy. And then you sit here and you stay in it for the kids and everything else. And then you're like, God, I'm miserable. And it's weird because you feel selfish for choosing your own happiness it's weird how that happens because women always say if you're gonna be out there and you're gonna be doing dirt and do this to do this leave that's what i did that's what i did you try to make it work at least we yeah a couple times

like i there was a i left a couple times we were together 23 years there were a couple times. We were together 23 years. There were a couple times that I left, but nobody knew. Wow. But this last time was just like, I'm just unhappy. So how was it filming a show? A reality show? Yeah, the reality show. Were you guys okay then? Or were you like, I'm going to try to stick it through?

No, we were in a good place during the reality show. But it was after that. I left once after that. And then I left again. And this last time I just went, I'm just miserable. Why should we believe you? She said you're a lying narcissist, Gary. Why should we believe you?

Isn't that the go-to, though? The narcissist part? As soon as a guy leaves, he's a narcissist? A narcissist would have made a comment. You didn't do that. I'm not lying, though. What do you mean? You just said the narcissist.

Well, a narcissist goes with lying. I mean, come on, now. But that's always the go-to, the narcissist. Well, a narcissist goes with lying. I mean, come on now. But that's always the go-to, the narcissist. The one that got me that you read so much about you. Like, I was reading about myself. Like, dang, this dude's wilding. I was like, wait, I'm reading about myself. Jesus.

The deadbeat part? The deadbeat. Yeah. Because I was there. I was present. I liked being a dad. I mean, there wasn't a time. My kids never rode the bus.

Like, if I'm home, I'm taking them to school, picking them up, and if I'm not home, she's doing it. Going to practice, whether it was volleyball, basketball, going to games. I didn't miss nothing. I didn't miss a birthday. I remember we were at Think Like a Man 2 July 3rd, 2013, and I caught...

We got off at like 5. I got on the plane so I could make sure I made my daughter's birthday, her 11th birthday to make it back, I didn't go to sleep I mean it's not like I deserve kudos for that, that's what you're supposed to do you're a dad, but I like being a dad so now, to be called a Debbie, one you can't be a Debbie to adults

I've said that before, but right now, you can't be a Debbie, oh cause they're grown they're grown, you know, but right now... You can't be a deadbeat? Oh, because they're grown. Okay, okay. They're grown. It's also like, I haven't talked to them in a year and a half. Your kids? Yeah. You haven't? Yeah. Are they mad at you? They're mad.

I left their mom, though. I left their mom. So for people to say, what happened? Most marriages, they don't work because of infidelity, money, abuse, mental abuse. So what was the reason why it didn't work? Why couldn't y'all hold it together? What was the reason?

You said you weren't happy. Why weren't you happy? Trump. I'm just kidding. You blame Trump for everything? We blame Trump for everything. Trump, man. Everything went downhill.

No, no, no. Ivanka. Ivanka. Ivanka. No, I don't know. There's a lot of reasons. I mean, what's important to me is, like, not to throw her under the bus. Because I want my kids and her to still have a good relationship and always have a good relationship. So it doesn't mean no good to, like, get she did you know but you know i just do you feel that she's lashing out because her feelings are

hurt without question and i know that does that make you feel bad that obviously she's distraught over that you guys been together for 23 years yeah we got a long time guy can't be mad at her for feeling that way i'm that's why i don't go in on her i get it i heard it i heard her i i broke up the family dynamic and everything but even when i called i remember when i called i didn't i said hey i'm just not happy i'm i'm gonna file you did this over the phone you didn't do it face to face i tried it the first time i tried it face to face okay i'm not doing that again. This one's going over the phone. Let's just say I'm not doing that again.

I was like, we'll do this one over the phone. When I called her, we talked for like five hours, and I thought we were going to keep it quiet. We'd just be like... Even she said we were a good example of a married couple. Let's show how people can get divorced with dignity and everything.

And I don't know what happened. TMZ got a hold of it. And I don't know. But, you know, I filed in Ohio. We had two residences. We had one in Ohio, one in California. I filed for divorce in Ohio. She filed in California.

So I, when I found it, when I saw TMZ, my lawyer called and was like, we think a process server is on the way trying to serve you because that's a big deal how you getting served that's the whole story itself me on the run

you were running from the process server oh my god that means you didn't want to get divorced then that means you didn't want to get divorced no no

I didn't want to divorce in California he filed in Ohio I filed in Ohio she filed in California because you get what half they take half

in California or something like that I don't know it's in Ohio I don't know. It's in Ohio. I don't know. I don't want to know. But, you know, the process server, when my lawyer called, I was like, dude, because I remember I was in Naples, Florida.

It was a Friday night. I had two shows. I get off stage, and I'm like, ah, shit, because I'm getting text messages, and everybody's sending me the links, the BET, and people, and all that. I'm like this. How'd this happen? My lawyer said, you got a show? I said, yeah.

She goes, you got to cancel it. I said, what do you mean? She goes, well, where are you going to get served? I said, what's that? I didn't know what a process server was. She goes, no, you don't understand. She goes, the process server serves you. Chances are the divorce could go down in California.

That happens. That's what she said. California's a 50-50 state, which means she can get half of everything for the rest of your life. I said, say less. This show's over. Screw those 300 people that night in Naples, Florida. I was on the run. If you look at my social media, I don't make a post for like three months. I switch my

cell number, my cell carrier because I'd be watching First 48. They'd be pinging them. That's how they catch the killers. Did they ever catch you? No. I was on the run, bro. I was going to really white areas. I was blending in. I went to Maine for a week. I hiked the Appalachian Trail in West Virginia.

I went to Montana. I went to North and South Dakota. I mean, I was Randy Mall, straight cash, homie. I canceled all my credit cards. I was on the run, bro. They almost got me in Colorado Springs. Almost got me in Colorado Springs. No, Colorado Springs. Not Colorado Springs. No, Colorado Springs. They almost got me in Colorado Springs. Almost got me in Colorado Springs. No, Colorado Springs.

Not Colorado Springs. No, Colorado Springs, they almost got me. The guy chased me. I said, I'm going to last special. I said, I turned into Morris Chestnut from Boys in the Hood. I'm going to chase me down there. He tried to throw the papers at me. Morris got caught, Gary.

Morris got caught. No, I didn't. I died that morning. Yeah, Ricky got caught. So all this means you didn't have a prenup. We didn't have nothing when we got married. We've been married 23 years. I mean, still, I'm just asking because people who are getting married now,

there's talk about prenups and whether or not you should get one. No, I didn't get no prenup. Does she work? I mean, she flips houses and she had the travel company and stuff. So what people will say is that she sacrificed raising the kids while you had your career. She deserves half, Gary. We sacrificed. We raised the kids together.

You know what I mean? But if you weren't there because you were on the road, you were traveling, doing shows, people would say, well, doesn't she deserve half? She deserves half. No, no, no. 23 years. That's a long time.

I've been with my wife for 24. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not going to say nothing bad about her, but you don't know the whole story. Oh, okay. You don't even know. Well, how much does it hurt you about your kids, though, to not have spoken to them for a year and a half? That's the kids.

Yeah, that sucks. That ain't going to lie. Did you try? Huh? Did you try to call them? Oh, I've done everything. I've done everything. I've done everything. I have.

I've gone to Greensboro because my daughter's at A&T. Knocked on her door. She wouldn't answer. I just, I tried to see her at the airport one time. Tried to catch her. Yikes. And then, you know, it's just, it is what, I don't know what to do at this point. Because I'm like blocked on social media.

I've gone to every outlet to try to get a hold of my daughter. I went to Venmo. I went to WhatsApp. And every time I reach out, it's like, then I'm blocked. So it's like, dang. Even when you send money? No, no, no, no. Venmo, just say hi.

Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you. Yeah, don't say hi without no money attached to it, Dad. Okay. But when did that go bad? Because y'all were doing this together. Like, y'all were getting a divorce together. You said you had a five-hour conversation. You told the kids.

And then when did it go left with the kids? No, we didn't tell the kids. We were going to, like, wait and, like, do it together. So they had to hear on the internet. TMZ, that's how they found out. And then I had to lie to my daughter one time because the processor was coming, and I didn't know. And she was supposed to come to Baltimore daughter one time because the process server was coming, and I didn't know.

And she was supposed to come to Baltimore after it hit the fan, and I was like, come to Baltimore, and we could sit down, and we'd just have a weekend together, and we could talk. And then I couldn't because she wasn't served yet, and I wasn't served. So I had to tell my daughter, I said, you can't come because if she's with me and she gets served, I'm served. So it got like a love and war type deal. And it sucked because I had to lie to her and be like, I came up with some reason. Like, I don't know if I'm going to do this show in Baltimore.

But I still, I flew her to Arizona to hang out with her cousin because it's important to be with somebody this weekend. So I said, go hang out with your cousin in Arizona. I got it. But that was one thing I lied about. I'm not sure you can say you was ducking the process server. I don't know. What do you mean? I don't know if you should get on the radio and admit that you were.

Oh, it's already done, though. That's done. We're in court right now. We're going. The divorce is happening. Okay, okay. It's not final yet, but we're still hashing out stuff. So it's filed in.

No, the process servers, they're unreal. They're unreal. You just make me scared of the process. But you don't know who it is and who wasn't. Because I would never fly into a city I was performing at because she kind of had a leg up because my schedule's online, right? When I tell you

I stayed in the... She just got served. She just got served. She gets this water. No, one time I was in a... I would never fly into a city I was going to. So one time I was in Baltimore. I flew into Pittsburgh and drove to Baltimore. And I stopped at like a Bob Evans.

Because I was in like an Amish country. I'm like, I'm safe here. All of a sudden, one black dude walks in. I go, what's he doing here? He goes, yo, Gary. I said, not today. Not today. He came to me.

I'm throwing banana bread at the brother, gravy. He's chasing around Bob Evans. I said, bro, stop chasing me. Was he the processor though? No, I don't know. I ran away from him. I don't know. Did the other white people in the restaurant get scared

when they saw you? They were like, what? Yeah, they was like, what is going on? I said, dude, I ain't that dude today. Why you didn't scream for help? I did. I told my helper, I go, start the car! Start the car! I got it in like Duke boys. So where did it end up getting filed? Ohio. Ohio, okay.

Ohio. Yeah, it took a lot, but we finally got, she got served before I did. And, you know, it's just. Well, what do you think is fair? I don't know. There's a lot I can't talk about still because it's not final. But, I mean, I don't want to say anything because it could be used against me. So, you know, I think about $12. I feel bad for laughing.

How did they catch up, though? How did they catch up? We got her at a Panera Bread drive-thru. Stop playing. Oh, that's terrible. Somebody at the drive-thru, like in the drive-thru gave it to her? We got blocked in with two cars, and then the process server was like, it's go time.

And I was like, dude, this is not the Bourne identity. You was with him? Had to be. I flew. I flew. How did you know she was going up in there? I didn't. Here's what happened. I hired a process server and I paid 24-7 surveillance. Like, she would not

come out the house. She was like, not coming out. And the process was like, she won't come out. Nobody will come out. I said, act like you door dash. My son's always ordering food. And then she was like, they was like, drop it at the door. I was like, we got the ring camera.

She goes, they just say drop it at the door. I was like, dang it. So I had to hire a different person. And me and her flew. We flew into Sacramento. And so we didn't want to fly into San Francisco, Oakland, we don't know she got a lot of cousins in the bay. So we flew into Sac, got a rental car and drove and I said

yo, she shops a lot and she grocery shops a lot. I said so we pulled into a Safeway. She was pulling out. I said no way. And the processor was like should we get her now? I said no, we can't. We can't block her in. We had to follow her for like 20 minutes on the highway. And I'm in the back seat hiding because I didn't want to see her in the passenger seats.

Now I'm back and I'll keep ducking up, ducking up. And she goes, I think she knows it's us. I go, she has no clue. Come on. So we got her. She went into Panera. She got blocked in. And then we got her.

Gary, I hope you're telling the truth because, man, if not, you are about to unleash a black woman scorned on your ass. I ain't saying I'm bad about her. But you're saying something. You're talking, period. She's going to have something to say. He never spoke. We always heard. I know, but I'm wondering why now.

But I never said I'm not and I won't say anything bad about her. This is just what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happened. Like, she got served a Panera Bread. I did file first. Nothing I said didn't happen. But why now, though?

Like, why talk about it now? Because it went quiet. It was quiet. I don't know. Everybody kept telling me, like, you should tell your side. And honestly, it's probably a—also, this is another effort for my kids to hear it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to hear it.

True. What's the road to you and Kenya being civil? Like, what do you think has to happen? I don't know. I think the divorce has to become final first. And then we can start the healing process. But right now, it's like,

geez, as ugly as it can get. Are you worried about her exposing you and wearing tape? Oh, God. That's never happened. I've been together 23 years. That's never happened. You haven't been together 23 years? Yeah, that's never happened. Nebraska. I'm an Ohio State fan, bro. But I was going to ask, with your kids, so how do you, like, because you're the dad,

so you've got to pay for ish. So how does that work? Because you're paying for college, paying for this, paying for that? I'll be honest. I paid for the first year and a half at A&T, and then my daughter got really upset at me, and she said, I don't want you paying anything else. Stop. Oh, they really mad mad.

They mad mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was just, but like, you know, we always talk about the betrayal part. The stuff that got me was like my circle. Like, I had to completely change it. Like my openers, they did some dirty stuff with the divorce. I was like telling my kids stuff about me and things like that. And then my dad was the worst.

My dad, all that dad, Hoback bitch. Oh my God. My dad did the bitch, bitch, shit of bitches. You got to edit this out.

Probably right. No cousin. No, this motherfucker. So when, uh, when the divorce hit the fan, the processor, my dad kept calling, texting, man,

call me, call me. I got your back. Keep in mind, this is the dad that wasn't around when I was growing up. And he kind of came back when I got in TV and movies. It's weird how that happens. Gotcha. So one of the weeks I was hiding out, I went to Sedona with this girl that I'm seeing, right?

At this point, it's not Miss Sidechick. This is June. We had been separated since January. It hit the fan in March 2021. That's who Kenya was probably talking about, right? She's upset, yeah, yeah, about her. So we were in Sedona, and we went to Grand Canyon, and I took a picture, and I sent it to, like, five, six people

in my inner circle that letting people know I'm okay, keeping people up to date on where I was was my dad was part of that right so my dad i go to cincinnati like in july 4th last year i go to red's game and i got a suite and i'm still nobody's been serves i'm still being careful you know so i had to get a suite because i didn't want somebody to be like here's peanuts and papers you know what i mean so i uh my dad got wind got mad then i didn't want somebody to be like, here's peanuts and papers. You know what I mean? My dad got wind. Got mad that I didn't take him to the Reds game. Sends me a voicemail. Cusses me out and everything. It seems to be a long text

so I don't include him and stuff. He's come to expect this from me and I'm going, is he mad about a Reds game? I called him and we've done this before. We cussed his other. We got an argument. Cussed him out. He cussed me out. I cussed him out. Hung up. This bitch. That picture of me and the girl

he sent it to my ex wow then that's how she found out that's where that all came from then he posted the picture I sent on his Facebook page with the middle finger emoji in front of it

then he posted a picture of my ex-wife on his Facebook page and said I got your back to this divorce you've always been like a daughter to me

I respect him he don't like black people respect him. He don't like black people. Support black women. He don't like black people though. This mug is a Trump-a-thumper. He's a Trump-a-thumper. I ain't saying he was at the Capitol. He was at the Monument when they rushed him. He made the trip. I think he just got cool feet at the last minute. This whole black bitch.

Who does that to they son though? That you wasn't around though. Oh my God, man. And then to that for attention. Post that. And then to give her, like, the only thing you did, you didn't hurt me. You didn't hurt that girl. You hurt my ex and you hurt my kids with that.

That's real. You didn't hurt me. You know what I mean? So now he's always posting stuff on his Facebook about what a good mom they got. Stuff like that. I'm like this. You bitch. You haven't even been around.

I'll tell you one thing. When Kenya get him some Reds tickets, you really don't feel it. Man. All over a baseball game. Keep mine. Motherfucking never took me to a baseball game growing up. Yeah.

Now? Is the new woman black or white? Dude, don't worry about that. I need to know, guys. They're always going to be black. Ooh. Big G. Why was Kenya mad at Claudia Jordan?

I remember when things were hitting the fan, and then she was blaming Claudia for something. That was, so when I called and said I wanted the divorce, you know, you're so worried that your, quote-unquote, past is going to catch up with you, basically, right? And so that weekend before, I was in Dallas and I use the same trainer every time I go to

Dallas. And Claudia introduced me to the trainer. It's a female trainer. So I guess she went to the trainer's page and saw a picture of me and her that I didn't tell her I took that picture with the trainer. Keep in mind, it's a public place. We just took a picture.

And she just, I guess she took that and was like, I must be sleeping with that trainer in Dallas, which wasn't true. And Claudia introduced me to the trainer, basically. So that's how Claudia got in the middle of it. But that didn't happen. That didn't happen. How has this process affected just you mentally and emotionally? Because this can't be easy.

I know you're laughing and joking, but it can't be easy. I'll tell you what, though. A lot of people reached out. Like, a lot of dudes that have been through messy divorces in our business. You know, I'm not going to name names, but I'll keep our conversations private. But a lot of people. But mentally, it gets to you sometimes. Like, you'd be in the car, and you'd just be like, the wrong song comes on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, it gets taxing at times because you're alone. And, like, I was there the whole time my kids grew up, you know? So it's like to be now, to have no, like, contact with them, it's like. Would you ever tell the kids the real story? I know you said that you wouldn't ever tell the whole story because you don't want to, I guess, make her look bad. It's not looking bad. Okay. It's just like I don't want to get to make her look bad, but yeah, it's not looking bad Okay, this is like I don't want it's it's not my place really

Yeah, not my place to tell it she can tell it she could tell if she wants to she cheat on you There's always three sides. I'm not I'm not You know, but here's the thing with with a divorce to we always ask what the man did We always do that. I'm glad that she cheat on you every time there's a voice I'm gonna say well the man had to do something it's like this we never like say look what what like if it's a bad marriage it's bad marriage because when I called her and said I want the divorce and I said yo I just I think you're gonna be happier I'm gonna be happier I said I want you because she would say like I need this from you in this room this year I said I couldn't give it to her anymore I just couldn't so i was like i want you to be happy i want you to find somebody else and you know

there's no malicious intent on my part i thought that's the route we was going yeah but but you get you know i also knew that you know she was i think it's like as a woman you're like what what didn't i do right and he had to be doing something else. You know what I mean? But we never ask what the woman do. Isn't it crazy to have been so in love and never anticipate that things would end this way? You know, just think about like the earlier days and you think things are forever and we just love each other. And then you never expect people to just be at war like this. Yeah.

This is a very one-sided war. I'm not really at war. I just want to have a relationship with my kids again, obviously. I had a show in Sacramento about a month ago and our oldest, my stepson, his aunts came to my show

and I got worried. His aunts on his real dad's side. I saw them. They was at the meet and greet. And I was like, oh, no. I didn't know what was coming at me. And I looked at him, and they walked up on the stage, and I said, are you mad at me? And they said, no, we can never be mad at you. You took care of our Emilio.

So they acknowledged, like, oh, through all whatever, whatever. Like, you know, they saw the bigger picture. Like, oh, you basically raised a kid that wasn't yours you know what I mean and now he's cool, president of society during that time how did you make money because you were on the road, you weren't doing shows you were hiding and ducking

but you still had two mortgages, you still had to pay for college, you still had to pay for things how did you keep the money coming in? yeah we saw those numbers no I was still on the road. I was just careful. Right. No, I would tell the clubs.

I'd call the clubs and be like, look, I ain't been served. I need security. We would have security in the front, almost like plants, like undercover cops. I said, I need one of your security guys in the front. Wow. If anybody gets up, they cannot come towards the stage. Baltimore had a plastic hockey thing around it.

Baltimore County, I felt like I was playing for the Rangers. You were preparing for comedians getting attacked long before Chappelle and Chris. Yeah, yeah. Because there was one time in Baltimore somebody tried to give my opener a manila envelope. He goes, yeah, I got this show in Pittsburgh for Gary. I was like, that's not how we do things. And he came in

the back. He's like, yo, this guy. I said, you can't accept anything. Just because he's in the lobby pumping his social, this guy. I said, you can't accept anything. Just because he's in the lobby pumping his social media and everything, I said, you can't accept nothing. Because if you accept something, I can be served. So that could have been another instance. I don't know. You don't know who's a problem. Them dudes are tricky.

They can do Colorado Springs. He almost got me, bro. Almost. Go ahead. No, go ahead. The betrayal part's the worst. Why do you keep saying betrayal? my dudes man

my openers they dirty man you don't tell like no matter what happens you don't ever go to some dudes family and talk smack about especially a dude put money in your pocket so to go to my kids

and everything and talk shit about me, I'm like, and telling them stuff, like, why would you tell them that? You know what I mean? So I just... How old's your youngest? She's 20. She's 20, okay. She's at A&T in Greensboro. So you missed the 21st birthday

of the other ones, you missed all those monumental dates. I never missed the birthday. And then these last, I miss the last two for both. Sheesh. And I'm hoping that that gets better

for you soon. That's why when Charlamagne said, why are you coming on? I go, well, eventually I was going to have to talk anyways. I mean, you don't have to,

but eventually, you know, you got to dress the elephant in the room. I did in my special a little bit. I was going to ask you that. How does this play

into your stand-up now? I've heard when Marlon Wayans was up here, he said anything can be funny. But how do you turn this into material at all? Oh, no, it's funny. You can turn it funny. You don't have to make it about her and what she

did to make her be some evil person. But you can make anything funny. I kind of addressed it in my last special a little bit. But the new one, hopefully it'll be final by then and then i could just talk and it's not even about her it's about me what what was i feeling what was i going through why did i do what i did and where i'm at now with with with my life are you nervous about your black fan base especially women black women nah they good

they're rocking with you yeah because when i it was funny too i was some city, and I was in my hotel for like eight days straight, and you're just reading the internet, and you're just like. You go crazy doing that, Gary. You better stop that, Gary. But there's nothing else to do. Like, you're like, you're just in your room, and I can only watch so much TV, so you just. And it's funny because the blog sites that I read, I keep popping up.

I go, ah, wake up. I'm like, again? Something else? So it starts to mess with your psyche a little bit. And then somebody called me and made sense of it. They said, your talent is not going to allow you to go broke. They said that to me. And I said, oh, I need to hear that.

And then I was on stage. The first time I got on stage after shit hit the fan. And this lady in the back, I'm like 45 minutes in my act. She goes, I love you, little cheating ass. And I go, you back, I'm like 45 minutes in my act, she goes I love you little cheating ass! And I go, you don't know how bad I need to hear that. Not that words, but just the fact that she's like, we don't care. Well, did you cheat, Gary? That's the thing. Everybody

wants to know that. Can you let us know since you don't want to tell us? She'll let us know. According to her, yes. But if you did, you did. If you did, you did. i'm sad that you did but you know i'm i'm going back when you if you're just so unhappy in a marriage you're just like oh i can't keep i can't keep doing this yeah and it's bad as a dude because you're in there for the kids you're trying to be there for them, but then you're just like, I can't do it anymore.

He was already emotionally and mentally disconnected. Completely. He was checked out. Completely. Like, it was just like, you're roommates. And I was like, I just can't do it anymore. Now, did I think it would be this bad with the kids? No.

Did I think it would be this bad with her? Yes. I was mentally prepared for her to lash out because you're kind of blowing up the spot a little bit. You know, you're coming in going, I don't want to be married anymore. And I think,

I can't speak for her, but I think women are like, ooh, why wasn't I good enough? You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out with the kids, he was there. So the fact that you

with your daughter, could you imagine your daughter not talking to you ever again? Yeah, because that's your daughter. Your daughter probably hates how you did mom. But she still would talk to you because she still would want to get both sides. She still would want to have a

conversation. She still would want to have that relationship. Yeah, but she don't want to hear that. What you said makes perfect sense. You're emotionally, mentally disconnected, but nobody still wants to hear that. They're like, still working out with mom. Yeah, because you want the... In my daughter's eyes, in my son's eyes,

it's like, you did her wrong. How could you do that to her? Blah, blah, blah. And you know. And, you know, in my daughter's eyes and my son's eyes, it's like you did her wrong. You know, how could you do that to her? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm just going, can we? And my thing is to sit down with my kids, I don't want to talk. I want to listen. I want to hear how they felt when it happened. How do you feel about me now?

And then we could move forward. Also, what would really hurt them the most probably is finding out through TMZ. Yeah. Because you go to school with you're with your classmates, and then all of a sudden it's bang and it's like, oh, gosh. And it got dropped on, like, Friday night. Like, I'm sure my daughter was out with her friends and stuff like that. My son, I was just like this, oh, Friday night?

Not, like, Tuesday morning. Do you think you sabotaged the marriage on purpose because you was ready to be out? So it's like, you know what? Catch me. I don't care. I mean, there's some validity to that uh i don't think that was my mindset i just think it was more like i just i couldn't i just couldn't do it anymore and i think with with her with me filing first her betrayal was how so you planned this that's that was her thing like you planned this you went and got a lawyer?

And you've been leading me on and you knew this was coming? Damn. But I was like, in my mind, I was like, I had to do that. That's how divorce works. You get to the lawyer, you gotta protect yourself. And then you call and you hope, you know, work it out.

Because it was odd when it was like, you're reading all these people going, I'm glad she left that dusty white devil you know what i mean i was like this she didn't know you know i left first you're not denying you a dusty white devil you just can i just you always miss the big the key word okay it's true man damn man so you don't think y'all will ever be even cool again? I do, one day. I can laugh about my part in the divorce. I can own it with her. I'll keep that between us and everything.

But also her part in it, eventually I'll be able to laugh about it. I'm not really malicious like that. I don't have malicious bones in my body, except for my dad. So listen, I'm not saying she did, but if she did cheat on you, would it get back for what you was doing? Mm-hmm. I don't know. Because the male ego

is very fragile. We can ditch it, but we can't take it. Unless you're emotionally checked out. Unless you're emotionally checked out, yeah. Then I think that's like you, and this is one thing too, if you're with a woman, and even the thought of her cheating doesn't affect you, yeah, you should probably get out. Oh, I agree with you.

You should probably get out. Like, it wouldn't have, like, if she would have came to me at the point when I filed, if she would have came to me like, well, I'm seeing somebody else, I would have been like, whew, good. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, good. Yeah. That way you're, you can focus your energy on him and move on hopefully he's the right guy for you people don't discuss that enough that what you're

talking about just being emotionally disconnected because it's always like like envy was named all those things earlier abuse and cheating sometimes things just run its course yeah and there wasn't none of that there was no mental physical abuse with me and her or the kids none of that. There was no mental, physical abuse with me and her or the kids. None of that ever happened. Like, it just didn't. Did you guys try therapy? We did a while back. And then, but this time, therapy would have been just spinning the wheels.

Like, I knew I was out. I knew it. And the thing was, I stayed in it longer than I should have for the kids. And I didn't want to hurt nobody. So you're just staying in it, and you're coming home going, man, I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here. And we had, you know, we just was like, I just didn't want to be there.

The bad thing is even with your kids, they're never going to like your new relationship regardless of how great the woman is. They're never going to like it because they're always going to look at that as a disrespectful mom. That's going to be a tough thing're always going to look at that as a disrespect to mom. That's going to be a tough thing to deal with. Yeah, could be. How does she feel about it?

And another black woman, too? Oof. I promise you if it was another race, she would have took it a little different. Really? I don't think so. I think it would have been worse. Yeah, I don't know.

Let's say he would have left with a white woman, and they posted a white woman. It makes sense. Dusty white devil, dusty white devil. I didn't think about that. That's what I'm saying. Dang it. See?

Like this. But how is a new woman dealing with it? How is she dealing with everything? I'm telling you, man. I'm keeping everything private from now on out. I'm not about to go there. Why would you trust her, though? Who?

The new woman. What are you talking about? I'm saying, why would you trust her to keep things quiet? You don't have a baby on the way, do you? No, I don't have a baby on the way. Congratulations, you got a baby on the way? No, I don't have a baby. Twins.

I'm just kidding. I'm saying, why would you trust her? Look, man, let's focus on what I came here for, all right? Let's focus on the past and not the future. Let's focus on this white devil Dusty's past. Oh, man. I just wanted to i guess yeah you because you guys like why'd you come on and say it now i go i guess i figured this was the right platform and i knew coming on here like i could really say my piece without being so emotionally um how do you call it separate at this point like I can just speak on the facts

and not be like well this is what she was doing and this is how she was feeling I can't speak on that I can just tell her my part I left I wasn't happy

I own what I did between us she knows and I don't have to and I don't have to bring up dirt on her talk bad about her it's pointless

it doesn't help it's just another thing for the blogs to talk about. We actually have Kenya on the phone. Would you like to talk to her? You mother... We do have that thing called... What's that thing called?

What's it called, Eddie? Fair Air Trade. You know, when somebody comes up and tells their side. Feel free. If she ever wants to come up, we have to. Feel free. Look, feel free, and she can air whatever she wants about me. You know, that's on her. I'm not doing that.

I don't think she would, though. You know what I mean? I don't think she would. She got Instagram. Well, you're still part of the world. Dude, she's going in so much. It's like, man. It was like getting in a fight with freaking Tyson Fury.

She just kept coming. Did you ever hit her? No, I never. He meant text. Never. No, I meant text, Gary. Text, Gary. Wow.

Never. Never. No, no, no. And it sucks because it is love and war. I am literally following the advice of my legal team where they said you can't reach out because it comes up in court. Anything you do comes up in court. So I'm like they said, I know it sucks

but you have to stop communication with her. Not the kids. Oh my gosh. April or May of last year. 2021. She's texted a couple times and stuff like that but as far as me responding, it's been a while. Just because once the divorce is final, what I hope is then I can call her.

And be like, let's sit down. And if you've got to yell at me, yell at me and get it off your chest. You have to talk about just calling her and the reason being because you know who the real winners is? It's y'all attorneys. But he can't. Her attorney and her attorney are caking off. Yeah, true whatever they gotta do they oh my goodness that i would hate to see that build but i've seen how they do it in court i see how they take your words or something you do and just completely twitch you're like that's that's not what happened that

was a joke i said on stage or things like that like god and and every dime you spend, they're bringing up. They got upset I went to the Super Bowl. I've been waiting to Bengals my whole life to go to the Super Bowl. And they were like, he went to the Super Bowl. Like I'm tricking off my money on the Super Bowl. They didn't know I made money on the Super Bowl because I bought Dwayne Wade and Gab got the suite at SoFi. As soon as the Bengals went, they couldn't go. I bought the tickets off Dwayne Wade and Gab got the suite at SoFi. As soon as the Bengals went, they couldn't go.

I bought the tickets off Dwayne. He said, how many you want? I said, eight. Give me all eight. I bought all eight at cost for him. So he didn't make no money. He didn't lose money. I just basically paid for him.

So I was able, and that's what I wanted. I wanted to take my kids to the Super Bowl. So that's when I flew to Greensboro and tried to see my daughter. It was Saturday, Super Bowl Sunday. And I knocked and she wouldn't answer. I was trying to get her like, come on, I got a plane, let's go. And she wouldn't go. So I took some other people.

But I sold the unused tickets and made money off the Super Bowl, basically. Does Dwayne Wade know this? What? That you made money off his tickets. They're yours. You bought them. Yeah, I bought them. But as a friend. But I took

a couple people in Dwayne's crew as a thank you. You know I don't know if you guys know Chantel. Chantel's and Dwayne. I love Chantel. I took Chantel because she's the one that helped facilitate the deal between me and Dwayne and everything. You know Chantel, Roxy, Tyron, Chantel. Yeah.

Tell it to your heart. So I took, yeah, yeah. So I told her, I said, dude, I'm going to give you two tickets because you helped seal the deal and my kids wasn't going now, so I just, she went and everything. So it was like, I made money off Super Bowls. It wasn't like I went and tricked off. I actually made money off those.

You were flirting with Wendy Williams and like telling all your business on that show. I did not. I did not. Yes, you did. She asked me out. I didn't money off those. You were flirting with Wendy Williams and like selling all your business on that show? I did not. I did not. Yes, you did. She asked me out. I didn't flirt with her. Oh, yeah, she did ask you out.

She asked me out. You went out with her, right? Huh? You went out with her, right? I met in a public place. That's going out still. No. When you catch your own Uber at home to and from, that's not.

That's going out, Gary. No. He was outside. Public place. I thought it was going to be with a group. Gary, you went out. I did not go on a date. I did not go on a group date. You went out, Gary. I did not.

She publicly asked you out on television. Then you met her later that day at a restaurant. That's going out, Gary. My thing with this is why wouldn't I... Why wouldn't I... You don't like to think of her as a mogul but she is

she rolled the dice on her radio show and got her own talk show and everyone was like you crazy you making cake on your radio show and it worked out so why wouldn't I get a chance to go one on one and just like

how did that work how did you do that like I'd be stupid we always say like you should always people doing better than you not better than you but people have done stuff Yeah, I'm done in your world like pick their brain with Joe No, we there was other people around though in the restaurant

When I got there was other people sitting with her got you was your wife was mad about that though We ex-wife was mad about that. I don't think so. Nothing happened there. She vented it. On Instagram she was mad. I think she was more upset of what I said on Wendy. On the interview, yeah. On Wendy, you know what I mean? It sucks, but... How much longer do you think this is going to go on in court

before you finalize things? We finally agreed to mediation. So that's coming up. That's great. And then if that don't work out, we go to trial in October. So hopefully before the end of the year it'll be over with. Mediation's a good sign, though. I hope.

Because that's all I want. Let's just be fair and let's just move on because we can't get this time back. Right. Damn, Gary. Because I was looking forward to going to A&T's homecoming. You can still go. You can still go. It'd be awkward.

You know what I mean? It'd definitely be awkward because you'd be there by yourself. Your daughter would walk right by you and not speak. Fighting for the love of your children makes perfect sense to me. What's that? Fighting for the love of your children makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, man. That's the weird part because I didn't have the examples.

I didn't have like my dad wasn't around and then my stepdad was kind of a dick. So it was just like I didn't have the examples. So when you become a dad, like I didn't know what to do, but I knew what not to do. So there was just like, I didn't have the examples. So when you become a dad, I didn't know what to do, but I knew what not to do. So there was no, you ain't this. I always made sure I uplifted my kids and spoke highly of them.

Son got cut from the team. Let's go practice. I would have coached all his sports teams if I was in town a lot, but as a comedian we're leaving. But there was like, you when i came home i never missed a practice never missed a game none of that stuff i like if i could make a game like there was times like i had a show uh and i if i could make it back to cincinnati for the game i'd fly back and to make it back to my show that night i was in dc i remember one time, direct flights, I had to get

back since he went to his game and flew back to make my show just because I wanted to see his game. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed going to their stuff. The recitals and everything. That's what sucks. Well, I'm really hoping this all works out soon for you. Absolutely. I'm about to sit back and watch the

rebuttals. The rebuttals are going to be amazing from this interview. The rebuttals from this interview are going to be amazing. I didn't say nothing bad. You don't have to. And you are on tour, right? We Outside Tour is coming. We Outside Tour.

Yeah, that's coming. We started late September. Y'all making like $3 a show. No way. On that. That's a good line. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I'm just doing it. I'm charity. Oh, man. Charity. Well, Gary, we appreciate you for joining us. Hold on, we might as well say she's here. This is the most unfunniest interview I've done here. I thought it was hilarious.

The whole thing. I am finding this highly amusing. What are you asking? Who's your Mount Rushmore comedy guy? Me. All four faces, bro. All four. Why would I think somebody's funnier than me?

I didn't say funnier. What? I didn't say funnier. What? Me. Me in the 90s. Me in the 2000s. Me in the 2010s. And me in the 2020s. All versions of me. A single Gary Ford got married. Gary married. Gary unhappily married. And Gary divorced.

Those are my four favorite comedians. You know what I mean? What did you think I was going to say? The normal? Yeah, Dave, Eddie, Chris. You know what I mean? What did you think I was going to say? The normal? I was going to say the normal? Yeah, Dave, Eddie, Chris, Richard. The run of the mill. Yeah. The normal Mount Rushmore.

Can we get a different statue? Huh? Are they the goats? Are they? I don't know. You tell me. Are they the goats? Comedy subjective.

To me, Chris is definitely one of the goats. I mean, Dave's a goat. I think Chris is a stand-up goat. Dave is a TV stand-up GOAT. Yeah. Chris and Dave? Eddie? Yeah, I put Eddie.

I mean, yeah. Eddie was the first stand-up special I ever saw, actually. Raw, when I was a kid. I wasn't Delirious. Which one was the first one? Delirious. Delirious. I saw Delirious.

Delirious was red, the red outfit. Yeah, Delirious. Raw was the blue outfit. Yeah, my dad let me see Delirious when I was a kid. Raw was the first time a girl hit on me and French kissed me in between two arcade machines after Raw. Went and saw Raw and the theater was empty. And we were hiding from other people, went and saw another movie.

And the girl was like three years older than me. And all of a sudden, I was like, oh, what the? That was the first time. That's why I remember. I don't remember any joke in Raw but I do remember getting tongue down yeah yeah

I got Carlin on my Mount Rushmore Carlin's a man but I was so I didn't get on the Carlin until this doc that came out this year

on HBO what about the doc is it good oh it's phenomenal isn't he from Ohio I don't remember Mount Rushmore we got some

we got some beasts out of Ohio bro yeah Dave how's Dave not on your... Cat from Ohio, too? Cincinnati boy. Wow. Yeah, get it.

Steve Harvey. No Steve. Arsenio Hall. Arsenio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got some monsters coming out of Ohio. Yeah. Seriously.

Gary. Owen. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Gary. Okay, you don't... It's Gary. It's completely disregarded. I'm going to steal this.

Why did I come on here? This is stupid. You know what? Delete this whole interview. I'm going back. It's Gary Owen. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

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