The Breakfast Club - Honesty or Betrayal? Stories About Running Into Your Partner’s Past

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

In this episode, Loren and and  Brandon, one of the producers for The Breakfast Club, dive into a real-life relationship dilemma inspired by a moment from the Hulu show Paradise. Should you tell your partner if they’re about to meet someone you’ve been intimate with in the past — or is it better to avoid the drama in the moment? A Lo-Rida joins the conversation to share his own story about being blindsided when he discovered his girlfriend had history with a coworker he introduced her to. Things get juicy, check it out!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Lauren La Rosa, and this is another episode of the latest with Lauren La Rosa. This is where we do all things pop culture, entertainment news, and all of the conversations that shake the room, baby. So today, joining me, we have Brandon. Thanks for having me back, back, man. So before we get into it. our episodes here on the latest with Lauren the Rosa. We always check in behind the scenes of the grind.

Back on the grind. And sometimes I don't do it when I have guests on the show, but I mean, I should, right? Because I should want to know. Brandon, how are you doing? I'm good, but the doctor said I'm not good. I went to the doctor over the day. You're okay? What's wrong? What's you got?

My blood pressure is crazy. Oh, just your blood pressure. No, but when doctors go out blood pressure, they look at me like, how are you still alive? Well, what are you seasoning your food with? I don't think it's food because you know I bring a lot of my own food my food. My food is relatively healthy. I'm just glad it's only blood pressure. When you say your doctor said you ain't good.

It's stress and lack of sleep. I don't really sleep that much. That's really what it is. Well, our job doesn't really allow for, I feel guilty when I go to bed before 10 o'clock. I feel like I'm slacking at my job and at life when I go to bed before 10 o'clock at night. Yo, I'd be trying, but like, man, it'd be a good 12. Last night I went to bed at midnight and had to be up at, my first alarm is at like 3. 345. And then our second one is at 405.

Yeah, he was like, if you were older, we would not let you leave today. I was like, damn. So I got to stop stressing. That's my goal for the upcoming weeks, months. What are you stressed about? I don't know. I think it's going to get easier. Like, I don't know. You see people's life that's like a little slower and like, are things going to ever slow down and get a little easier. I know what you mean. Like, I feel like, I think that that's a thing that's coming with, like, age. It's like we work in a very fast-paced industry. and I'm always trying to figure out

what does comfortability look like in that. Like, I mean, it's good to see other people who have achieved a level of family and success or whatever. But still, I look at friends of mine who are successful in other job lanes and I'm like, yo, at this age, they have kids, they're able to, like, everything's like on a schedule. They take vacation at the same time.

They're home at the same time. Like, I've thought about that as well too, but I just can't imagine my life any other way than doing what I'm doing right now because all of my passions are like things that stretch me and like, I don't want, I don't want to say regular job because I don't want downplay anybody's job, but all of my passions require a lot of me. Yeah, non-traditional, right?

So I think about that all the time. I'm not stressed about it, though, but I do think about it because now I'm getting to the point where I'm like, all right, in a good two years, like, I want to start kids and how do homework with my kid? When I was like early 20s, you could just like, I felt like sleep was optional. I could drink and wake up and go play basketball. And, like, things were just, like, easy with my body. But now I guess sleep is not optional and eating healthy is not optional and all the good things.

So you've got to make sure you're taking care of yourself. I think it'll be good for people to hear this because I think it's not even just an age thing too. I think it's like a mental shift of your mindset of going from survival to living life. Like that's something I talk to myself about all the time. Like, Lauren, you're so used to being in survival mode. It's okay to now, like, like you've survived. Like, it's okay to live now. And what the setting that pace look like for you,

even though it's not traditional. I've had to talk myself off that ledge. Yeah, so besides that, you know, the focus is just getting, you know, be stressing at my mind, right? Well, I'm glad I could do therapy for you. All niggas be needing. Y'all be neat and go see the lady.

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to low riders to talk to us about what you're hearing, what you're seeing, and whatever our topic is of the day. Now, today we are going to take it to a show on Hulu that everybody is watching. Paradise. So Sterling K. Brown and his wife, Ryan Michelle Bath, they star in this show, and they also have a podcast where they sit down and they, you know, their podcast is called I have a difference of opinion and they have differences of opinions a lot. And it gets very, it gets very, it gets very heated. So we're talking about a scene that happened in the show. Did I lie? Did I lie? Excuse me. That, she, He is my therapist.

What was I was going to say? The jump off that I hooked up with the one time because I thought my wife was deceased? That's exactly what you were supposed to say. Why would I do that on the first time that they meet each other? Why would I do that? It's called radical honesty. Are you kidding me? No, sure.

I would have told her. I told her I was yelling and scream. Nobody should do that on the first time. No, my point is, is that it was the jovialness. This is my therapist. You are damn. Why? All right.

Now, let's get on into this caller on the line. How you doing, DJ also? Yes, thank you. Am I saying it right? Yep. All righty. Well, hi, welcome to On the Line with Lauren the Rosa. Hi.

I'm doing good. So you are one of the lowriders, one of the podcast listeners. Yes. How long you've been listening to us? What was the day one? Okay. All right. Well, welcome on over.

I'm glad you enjoying the experience over here. Thank you. Thank you so much. So I know you got a chance to, and Brandon's here as well too. Yes. Nice to meet you, DJ. Also. Yes. I know you got a chance to check out the clip from Paradise, the podcast after where Sterling K. Brown and his wife, we'll look up her name. So I know you got a chance to take a look at their commentary.

And I want to explain some of the background to you just from the show. Sterling K. Brown and his wife, Ryan Michelle, Michelle, bad. So Brandon, who's an avid paradise watcher, put me on to what was going to, down and we had a very passion, angry, but good conversation between our group at work about this. So explain some of the background that led up to this podcast episode. Do you watch the show at all? No, I don't. Okay, so just to add a little more context to that clip, the main character, this is a spoiler

by the way, for those who haven't watched it. He found out he was under the impression his wife had passed away, had relations with his therapist, somehow found a way to bring his wife back in his life. and there was a scene where he introduced his wife to the therapist, had a little small talk, and literally walked away and I guess let them, went on to do something else, but they were still talking.

So there was a conversation online and whether he should have told his wife at the time that he had had relations with that therapist. So what do you think? You think he should have told his wife ahead of time because you heard in the podcast episode, let's take a listen. So DJ also,

do you think that Sterling K. Brown's character was wrong for not telling his wife before she met the therapist. Or during that time, during that interaction. This is tough, but I honestly think he was. You build a better bond at home by just being honest. Thank you. One lie, it uncovered so many things.

People start to feel like if you lie about a little, you'll lie about a lot. Yes. What did he lie about? Lie about omission. This is keeping the peace. The truth is also a lie. Thank you.

Okay, so I feel like eventually that conversation would come come up, but right there in the spot, tell me how that should go down. Explain that to me. So, honey, just wanted to let, you know, this is not the first time that this person and I have interacted. I do want to let you know, we do have a little bit of history. So how old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I'm 46.

I was about to ask that too. How old are you, Brendan? I'm 30. But that was a very mature answer. You got me there. Because here's my thing, right? As a woman listening and also as a woman has been in a situation, literally my mind instantly goes to so you didn't tell me number one you think i'm dumb because i know my man in and out i can tell

just by y'all interaction that there was more than anything at that moment right i can literally see the way that you're breathing and know if your woman is really your woman for real like i mean no you know you know the way you breathe the way you anything off i'm going to catch it so that's number one so that's already a slap in a face number two it why omitted like it's here it's happening it's not your fault that I'm here meeting this woman, right? Like, it's not like, was it a private meetup or were they just in a place? No, it's like a public setting. We're in a public setting.

You can't control the fact that me and her ran into each other, but just let me know. Exactly. I think the way that DJ also explained to do it, if she's a Sadger, Scorpio, you might get a little craziness in the moment, but I got to give it to you that you tried. Definitely. And see, my thing is just we're moving the blonde side. Yes, because DJ and Brandon, as men, how do you guys feel about your woman? ever having you blindsided on something like that, like men that she slept with and you guys being around them

or being introduced to them? No, no. See, my thing is this, and thank you. My thing is this, that's, it's not a selfless act because being quite honest and transparent. I'm thinking of me in that situation. I'm thinking to myself, I wouldn't want to be blindsided. So let me go ahead and pay that respect forward

so that, you know, she understands that's how we operate. So I'm going to remove the blind side. If it's before or different time, there's no harm in being honest. So that way that karma always comes back to me I'm just so on the seat basically Oh hey Brandon Yeah I was just saying I feel like I was in a similar situation Where X of mine would be talking about like

We have conversations about our old relationships She mentioned a name before And he was still school with some of her friends And he had a common name So we run into him and introduce him I didn't think nothing of it when she said the name I just hit me like an hour into the party I guess never asked about the interaction

I was friendly they still are like Did he hugger? Yeah Now you're replaying a hugged He put an in Zad. I mean, I guess, like, she did technically mention it, but I was a little mad in the moment. Why were you mad in the moment, though?

Why? What was your feeling in the moment? I don't know. Blindsided in a way, because I was like, oh, like, I didn't even know I was going to meet him and run into him in this very moment. And I get that. I totally understand that. I heart radio is throwing it back.

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Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at my mom. Yeah. On the senior show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor, cultural icon, Danny Trail, talk about addiction, transformation, and the power of second. chances. The entire season two is now available to Bench, featuring powerful conversation with the guests like Tiffany Addish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

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And I'm telling my lady at the time about him, yo, I met this guy, Rick at the job, so on and so forth. My description of him and everything, he invited us to a cookout. We go to the cookout and she knows, you know, a decent amount of people. So, you know, someone there made a reference to her and Rick, like, oh, my God, you guys look back together. And I'm looking at her and I'm looking at him. And he stepped off right quick. And I just got betrayed because, wait a minute, I was planning for one of his other guests there at the cookout was like, oh, my God, you guys are back together? So I'm thinking I'm introducing her to him.

Oh, you know him? He met him at work. I met him at work. And he all hyped like, yo, babe. So now you're standing there with a low vibrational plate at the cookout and a red cup in your hand. And then what's you doing? So the thing was, he put me on this spot, 235th in the city.

So, you know, her birthday came around. I took hell there thinking, you know, so and so forth. And she, like you say, a woman knows her man. So I started feeling like, no, this had to have been a nice spot. I think these people playing in my face. And I actually deteriorated that entire relationship. Oh, my God. You said that did what's your relationship?

it deteriorated the entire relationship You guys broke up after that Because he started feeling play with And that's the issue right there I think when men omit things Or even women omit things You're thinking in the moment I just don't even feel like the hassle

I don't feel like having to explain This is probably somebody you ain't even told that person About if y'all don't went through the who's who's or whatever Whatever the case may be But it's like think about the long-term damage That that does to someone's mental Like if I'm thinking I can trust you Like you're supposed to like relationships

are supposed to be like, if I close my eyes and my ears right now and you take over the will of my car, I know I'm going to get home safe. I can't trust you with my eyes and my ears closed. She knew y'all work together? Rick and I worked together. No, I mean, your girl knew that y'all two work together. Yeah, I'm coming home. That's what I'm saying.

I'm coming home. And I'm like, yeah, a homie at the job, Rick. He told me about this spot, you know what I'm saying? A place to eat. He put me on 35th in the city. We're going over there. She never said nothing. But when they walked in the spot, he said that she was like, wait, how do you know about this place?

And she was putting the puzzle together but never said anything. Right. And she accepted the introduction as if it was her first time. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Oh, my God. That, I mean, I would already be pissed off. I don't like nothing omitted at all ever.

But you act like you don't know the person, you might as well leave with them. I'm causing a scene right then and there. So how long after the introduction did that person come up and say, oh, y'all two are back together. That happened in, like, simultaneously? I was like too much. Oh, no, it wasn't two months. It was two months after that that she told you?

Or at that moment? No, no, no. So I started the job in late March. And the cookout was the 4th of July cookout. So that incident happened two months after you started the job. But that person who said to you, oh, my God, you guys are back together. That was right there in the moment. Right, right.

And then how long did it take her to tell you the truth about everything? She didn't. Once that happened, I was like, wait, what? You know, I could tell about a look on her face And it was like, oh, y'all got history. And the thing is that Marju, her birthday was April 18th. He put me on somewhere to take her for her birthday.

That was what kind of introduced me telling her about him. Like, oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? You got Rick. She's like, where you learn about this from? This ain't even about homie at work, bro, name Rick. You know what I was telling you about?

He's cool. You know, he used to do some, work for VET in the city, and he knew all of these little spots. She was like, me, T, in the city. And when I started reclaim it, Oh, yes, she definitely knew she was in the job, the spot. You gave her every out to be like, babe, I got to talk to you.

I got to, and mind you, at this time, this is. Did Rick ever tell you about any of his exes? Not really. So how? He used to talk about women a lot, but he wouldn't name anyone in particular and so on and so forth like that. Dang. So how deep were they to get like, how deep was their relationship to go? I never got into it.

Once that happened, I was just kind of dissolved. She hit me for a little bit. No, let me talk to you. And, you know, I ignored a few calls and then eventually we just phased out. You got to know your partner. I'm not the person that you're going to just spring that on right then and there because now the event is over. Like now it's time to go home. I am upset.

But it also depends on how you handle it too and your interaction with the person. Like, if I don't feel like you did anything that was out of line or you didn't act weird, I probably could still remain cool and we can carry on our night. But if you act weird, if there's anything that's making me wonder, well, why are you like acting like that? Then now my mind is wandering and so many other things and I'm not going to be able to compose my like. Like my poker face ain't that good. So, but I think it's just the way that I feel about things is as much as I know to tell you, I'm going to tell you. I feel like sometimes tell me if you guys have been through this, something might not be a big deal to you or maybe you briefly interacted with a person or briefly dated or maybe you're DMed a little bit.

Like nothing that was worth it for real and you don't mention that. And then it comes back up. That's all. Such a try to talk to me. Yeah. Yeah, but I've learned even stuff like that matters, especially if y'all are working in the same arenas or the same areas. I just rather put everything out there because I want to know everything. Like, I don't want no surprises.

I have a very traumatic, you know, ex situation. So that was one of my rules. Like, be transparent with me because it's hard to gain my trust once I lose it. Like, it ruins the way I look at you and the way I respect you. Has that ever happened to you were like, you were dealing somebody and then you had to find out they dealt with somebody you're closed with? Definitely somebody that has happened to me. Been through the experience of being in a public place, being with your person and somebody walk up that they used to deal with. And I literally, just by the way that he introduced her.

He introduced us. And I gave a little side hug. And she was like, yeah, I'm like, oh, thank you. She walked the way I said, so who that? Because I knew I could just tell by how his body language shifted. He was shook. But, yeah, like. That happened to you as a woman.

Do you know from introduction by the way we speak or the way we introduce someone that there's some history there? Yeah. 100% I feel like men y'all will be trying to do the right thing sometimes and still give it away or you're just not doing the right thing like you're hiding something but either way you can always tell like your voice changes your body language changes and also if I've been with you this is not my first time where I'm with you and you introduce me to someone of the opposite sex I can tell the difference like I can just tell yeah I can watch people's interaction just in a you know or from across the room, but I also, because of what I do for work, I feel like I can read

people's body language very well and people's cues. Like, I can tell about how you answer the phone that whoever on that other end of the phone you didn't want to answer. You just did it because I'm sitting right here. Yeah, yes. Now that I can definitely do that. The energy of the call definitely leaks by the way you communicate. Energy of the call or this be the one. The energy of the, man, what this nigga one? Now pizza hunt ain't got you. Stay calling me, man. I'll come back later, man. No, baby. I'm with you.

DJ also, I'll be like, it's 2 a.m. calling back. Let's make sure he's okay. I'm spending time with you. Yeah, all right. Thank you, DJ also. We appreciate you for calling in. Thank you for having me.

Thank you. I have a great work. This was amazing. Okay, guys, so that has been another episode of On the Line with Lauren La Rosa, which is, you know, where we bring all things pop culture, entertainment news, and conversation to what the listeners, you know, want to talk to us about. And what's actually happening in real time that we can also come. compared to pop culture.

Brandon here with us for another episode. It's fun. I feel like I'm being painted in a better light this time around. All right, y'all. So this has been another episode. I tell you guys every single episode. My low riders,

I appreciate you guys for being here with me. Y'all could be anywhere with any old body talking about all these things, which y'all choose to be here. I'll catch you in my next episode. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am.

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It heightens my senses, calms me down. If anything, I'm more careful. Honestly, it just helps me focus. That's probably what the driver who killed a four-year-old told himself. And now he's in prison. You see, no matter what you tell yourself, if you feel different, you drive different. So if you're high, just don't drive.

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