The Breakfast Club - How Do You Raise Your Kids?

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

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miss pat joining us this morning that's right and we're talking about raising the keys all right now this comes from tyler perry now uh it's like listen what are you doing we don't behave this way you don't do this. This is unacceptable. You're not going to disrespect her. You're not going to disrespect your mom. You're going to do what they say to do. And do you understand that he's just crying?

He's going to say, yes, Papa. Yes, Papa. But as he's crying and I'm down on his level, I'm trying to hold my tears. So I get up and I leave out of the room. Galita said, you OK? Because nobody talked to me as a five-year-old like that nobody had a conversation with me nobody talked to me like a person so here i am having an opportunity to heal my little boy self yeah by talking to my son like a person so we're asking 800-585-1051 we're talking about raising your kids how do you raise your kids we start with you miss pat miss pat do you

you uh pop your kids um did you i raised my kids? We started with you, Ms. Pat. Ms. Pat, did you pop your kids? Did you? I raised my kids according to how their daddy paid child support. What that mean? He don't pay, you get up a cup.

I don't whoop them anymore. My husband do a lot of talking because, you know, we out of that era of beating our kids because they come from our ancestors and stuff. So I do a lot of talk.

I do a lot of time i do a lot of cussing them out right and then every night in the room or slip out my mouth and my daughter upstairs will never come out of a room come out and say no you can't say that so but yeah i think in my family i think we do good cop bad cop like i'm usually the bad cop i'm like you i'm the cuss i'm gonna cuss you out i'm gonna yell at you and my wife is the one that that talks to them and then we all come in the room and then daddy usually apologize for cursing now apologize for cursing you gotta apologize to your kids when you do something wrong when you're wrong when you're wrong when i say the b word by mistake you know i get a little shit yeah oh bitch yeah i ain't never cursing my kids i say god damn i say

well that's cursing my family well we there's certain words we don't use in the house like we don't use fat in our house we don't use use goddamn in our house. You don't use fat? No. Because ain't nobody fat, Ms. Pat? No, it's not that. But we just don't use the word fat. It's a mean word. We just don't use the word in our house.

Fat is not a mean word. Don't you want a fat steak? Don't you want your wife to have a fat ass? How is fat a mean word? I'm sad to hear. You going to tell me I'm mean? It depends how I would say it. Like, you say, man, shut your fat ass up.

Well, that's sweet. You don't use fat in your house either. Uh, it depends what you're talking about. It just depends. Wouldn't the fat become a mean word? Because you don't want to be like that fat ass kid or fat kid or fat. Yeah, I wouldn't say that. When I was, me and my husband almost got a divorce one time.

I said, look, you can go ahead and leave, but you're going to take your fat ass kid with you. Because I don't give him no food stamp for it. So, I already got my own kids in a theater. So, you take it. The most offensive thing about that is that you're saying that they're his kids like they're not yours too. That's more offensive than that. I'm not doing a divorce.

They're his kids. I have them for him. I had already had two by a dude that wasn't hitting on nothing. But I do feel Tyler Perry though, man, because I always feel bad after I yell at my kids. Like I literally went to bed last night and woke up this morning feeling like a bad parent because I feel like I can be short-tempered with a couple of my kids. I am too, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? How many you got? Four. I got a 14-year-old, a 7-year-old, a 4-year-old, and a 1-year-old. And the 4-year-old and the 1-year-old are fine. The 14 is a teenager, so that's going to be difficult. And then the 7-year-old, she's one of them just independent 7-year-olds. You know what I'm saying?

So raising kids is difficult, especially when they're not listening. And they talk to me in ways I would never think to talk to my parents or my grandparents or aunts or nobody. And I threatened my seven-year-old dad. I said, boy, you wouldn't have made it in the 90s. You wouldn't have made it in the 90s. And what did she say back? She don't know about no damn 90s. You know what I mean?

I have a 10-year-old like that. Yeah? Yeah. She'd be talking mad crap. And I'd be like, she's like, you guys are my parents. You know, a couple of nieces ran off and left when she smoked crack. And I'd be on the show her her birth certificate so bad. When she acted up.

And when the kid's smart, it's different. Like, I told my seven-year-old, like, all right, you ain't going next door to the neighborhood. They the same age. They in the same grade. And they're friends, right? I'm like, that's cut out. You're not going there next week. I don't care.

I'm going to see her in class anyway. God damn it. And I ain't got no rebuttal for what you said. You ain't going to school. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to put your eyes out so you can't see it. But I feel them, though.

And that's why I do like having conversations with my children for the exact same reason Tyler Perry said. Because when they get grown, they're going to remember that. Because we all remember being young and getting yelled at and getting told different things by our parents. I'm sure, there's stuff I'm unpacking in therapy now that my daddy said to me

when I was young. My mommies called me ugly all the time. Damn it, man. My mommies say, get your ugly ass over there and sit down. And my sister was a lot cuter.

Yeah. And now that I look at us now, I was like, yeah, your cute daughter smoked crack, but your little ugly one done succeeded on you. There you go.

And you did. My daddy told me one time let's just kill him and get the insurance money he told my mom let's just kill him and get the insurance money damn he ain't doing nothing with his life anyway you were that bad yeah i was bad well you know damn it man hey y'all need therapy my parents weren't that bad my parents were the huxtables who have been messing with y'all because you white killing me get the good he's not white light-skinned thank you no he white i'm light-skinned i'm black what am, he's white, Mr. I'm light-skinned. I'm black. What am I saying? I'm black.

Hello? Have you ever had a hickey on your neck? That probably would kill you. Hello, good morning. All over there. Yo, what's up? What's your name, bro? It's Chuck from Connecticut. What's up, Chuck from Connecticut?

We're talking about raising our kids, man. How you raise your kids, bro? I'm a big yeller. I stay in the house and just meet my wife, my two daughters. And I, yeah, like Charlamagne said, sometimes I feel bad, but they probably do something right after that that makes you yell again. I know, man. It's so hard, man, especially when you got girls or boys.

I got girls. See? I want some, but he not with me. That's what makes you feel even worse, when you got girls and you got to yell at them. Oh, Lord. But it's the two youngest ones, right? They play together all day long, and then they fight like a married couple. And that's what I, I be screaming at them and they be mad at each other. And then at night they got it. They got to sleep

in the same bed. They got to sleep in the same room. So it'd be pissing me off. I'm like, y'all going to be friends later on anyway. So stop it. But they just don't. Shout out to Jackson and Brooklyn. I'm sure they're in the car listening. Hello. Who's this? This is Bree. Hey Bree. We're talking about disciplining and raising children. What's your approach? How do you handle it? So, first of all, good morning, everyone. Good morning. So, I was not disciplined as a child.

My mother never thanked me. She never beat me or anything. But I do notice that with my child, he's a little bit more hard-headed than I was. So, I do have to discipline a little bit more with him than my mom did with me. But what I've noticed is when I have conversations with people who were thanked as a child or heavily disciplined, they're very disciplined as adults. And I noticed I do lack a little bit of discipline. And I feel like it's because I wasn't heavily disciplined when I grew up.

Interesting. That's an interesting take. Yeah. What do you mean when you say you lack discipline? So aside from my ADHD, it's just kind of like if I don't want to do something, I'm not going to do it. And when it comes to schoolwork, I have to really force myself to do the things I'm supposed to do. When it comes to work, I really have to force myself to do the things that I'm supposed to do. And I just feel like in a social setting as well, it's just kind of like I do what I want to do. That's the scariest thing, though, because a lot of things you probably got discipline for. Well, you didn't get discipline when you was young, but if you did, it would probably have to do with the fact you had ADHD.

And that's what I worry about. You don't know what type of issues your child might be dealing with that haven't showcased they self yet. You know what I mean? That you might be punishing them for. You know, I just found out my dog got adhd and he won't go sleep at night your dog your dog okay your mama how you know your dog got adhd he be up all night you can put him to sleep don't say that no i mean what are y'all talking about don't do that don't do that don't do that 800-5 do that. Don't do that.

800-585-105. We're talking about how you discipline your kids. Oh, my goodness. This is The Breakfast Club. Good morning. My name is DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Now, if you just joined us, we're talking about disciplining our kids.

This came from Tyler Perry, and this is what he said about his son. He was really rude to the nanny and was in the room in the bathroom arguing, and Galila calls me and I go in and I sit I get down to his level I'm talking to him eye to eye I'm like listen what are you doing we don't behave this way you don't do this this is this is unacceptable you're not going to disrespect her you're not going to disrespect your mom you're going to do what they say to do and do you understand he's just crying because yes papa yes papa but as he's crying and I'm down on his level, I'm trying to hold my tears. So I get up and I leave out of the room. Galita says, you OK? Because nobody talked to me as a five-year-old like that.

Nobody had a conversation with me. Nobody talked to me like a person. So here I am having an opportunity to heal my little boy self by talking to my son like a person. Wow. Beautiful moment. I feel him, man. But you know another thing? I was scared of my dad, though.

My dad is 6'3", 6'4", a retired police officer, ex-military. I was always scared of him. So I never wanted to do nothing because I never wanted to have a problem with him. Ain't none of my daughters scared of me, and I don't want them to be scared of me because I don't want to raise out of fear.

You know what I mean? I want to raise out of love. That's something you learn in therapy, too, though. You learn that, you know, a lot of times our parents raised us out of fear and their fear was especially with my dad he didn't want me to turn out the way he he didn't want me to make the same mistakes that he did you know you know i made still made him anyway except for like you know using hard drug but he didn't want me to make the same mistakes that he made and mine was the same

my dad was was a cop in new york city at the time and he worked in the bronx and on the train so he seen things from a different place that I've seen them from. And it was the crack era. So he wanted me to stay away from that. So he was going to do whatever it take to make sure I wasn't going to go down that lane. He parented out of fear. I did too, especially because I had my first child at 14. And I think I parented out of fear with my daughter.

I was like, don't you ever touch no boy. Don't you ever talk to no boy. They horrible. Then she ended up being gay. And then sometimes I'd be like, did I preach my daughter into being gay? Oh, that's why you said that. Oh, that makes sense though. I scared the ding-a-ling out of her.

You scared the love for D out of her. No, that makes sense. I did because it was all about, because I was in such a bad relationship with her daddy. And she saw her daddy beat me. And I'm not saying that, you know, that's why. But I think that has a lot to do with it. She probably did, no? She saw her daddy shoot me. And and she's like nah i'm gonna go on here with the girls we just scratch each other even though i do think that you know you are born you know oh my daughter

my daughter was born gay what a gay hat on and a jumpsuit she had on one of them little overall suits yeah she came out the womb with it on with a painter's bridge. Damn. She was, what's that little painter name? Neil Polian? What's the little painter? Which one? Picasso?

It's a bunch of them. She's Picasso? Okay. Hello, who's this? Hi, everybody. Hey. I can't be honest with my name because of this topic.

Y'all not calling CPS on me. Yes, and we know your real name. We got call ID, but we ain't gonna say it, so don't worry unless you do something wild. All right, so boom. We gonna say my name because of this topic. Y'all not calling CPS on me. We know your real name. We got call ID, but we ain't gonna say it, so don't worry. Unless you do something wild. Alright, so boom. We gonna say my name is Charmaine Taisha Brown. Alright, we gonna use Tamisha Brown. Alright, so

to be totally honest, my mother is a single mother with four kids, and he beats the bricks off of us. I have a son right now, and I'm not gonna sit up here and say I beat him O. OD. I don't. But am I going to light his little leg up? Yes. Am I going

to light the top of that foot up? Yes, I am. Because you're not going to disrespect me today. So essentially, I don't feel like disciplining your kids is a bad thing. I was raised off of discipline. I can say that I'm a good person.

I have a lot going on for myself. But I believe in discipline popping. I do believe in that. What's your weapon of choice when you discipline? Right now, my hand. I have the fighter weapon, and it's going to hurt you. Oh, yeah. Mama backhand used to be no joke.

She sound like a fly squad of mama. The fly squad. Get her with the fly squad. With the fly stuck only. Now we have Christina on the line. Christina, good morning. Hi, how are you? Now, you're a school counselor, correct?

Yes. Now, talk to us about traumatizing these kids out here. So, earlier I heard in the conversation you guys say, oh, how traumatizing can yelling be? It can be very traumatizing these kids out here? So earlier I heard in the conversation you guys say, oh, how traumatizing can yelling be? It can be very traumatizing. I can stay with a child for their whole life. And I also heard, I think it was Charlemagne say, there's no

guide in raising these kids. Charlemagne, there are literally hundreds of thousands of books out there raising kids, parenting guides. There's a great series called How to Talk to Your Kids so that they will listen and they will talk. And they have it for little kids, elementary school age, and high school age.

And they have it on Audible, and it's translated in various languages. And it talks about how to discipline your kids in um non-corporeal ways i agree with you i know that there's a lot of material out there about it but it don't matter when you in the midst of it i guess everybody got a plan until they get punched in the face yeah that's true and you you have your own path to contend with and your own methods of raising your children but when you do have some calm time and downtime it wouldn't hurt to google some new methods for next time to keep things de-escalated i agree with you and teach your children how to talk to others in the world

i'm gonna get that book and give it to my kids i don't want to read them it's like this right here well i'm gonna need y'all to read what I want to do with you. Now, you know what? It's funny that you said that. Me and my wife are writing a book on raising our kids. We have six kids. We have a 21-year-old,

a 19, a 9, an 8, a 6, and a 1-year-old. And we talk about everything that, we go through everything from my daughter getting her first period to us talking about sex to popping our kids at times to having conversations to, you know, I came out kids at times, to having conversations.

I came from a household of because I said so. That was my dad, because I said so. And that is a terrible way of parenting. But we don't do it like that. We explain to the kids why. If they want to go out and there's a reason why, no, we explain to them why. So we talk about all that. That's what Tyler Perry is saying.

Sit down and have a conversation with your kids. That's what I tend to do is saying like sit down and have a conversation with your kids that's that's what i i tend to do you know i mean and and yes when i do have a short temper and i do yell i always feel bad about it afterwards and then i sit down and i always apologize too always apologize for yelling that's another thing our parents never did for us when we was young they never apologized they didn't know how they didn't know how but i break that down too when when me and my kids if i do something, like yell or scream or whatever it may be, we pull them in the room and we talk to them why. You know, why I did this, why I scream, why I raise my voice, why I don't want them to do this. And it works pretty good in my household.

And they so quickly go to the school and tell everything. So, like, I had an incident less than six months ago where a teacher called me and I said, well, I'm going to hit her upside the head. So, next thing I know, defects at my door. I said, ma'am, these ain't my kids. I said, I'm gonna hit her upside the head and so next day I know defects at my door I said ma'am these ain't my kids I said I'm black that's how I talk so the lady the teacher was like well don't hit upside hit hit her on the behind I said later I'm gonna do what I do and you do what you do because my niece up there lying I didn't think she's gonna send defects to my house they tried to put me in a counseling program I said ma'am I was talking junk I'm gonna be honest with you miss Pat I think that program would have used me bad.

I think I kind of agree with you. Go to hell, Sean Lane. Call us if you need us to bail you out. You know, we got you. You know, just a kid. Okay, I appreciate it. I'm glad to know I got rich friends who are coming to get me out. I just want a parent out of love and not fear.

Absolutely. Well, hug them every now and then. Oh, no, I do that all the time. I'm going to tell my kids this. I love you, Ashley, Nike, or Junebug, and then the mother four at the house. And my oldest time. I'm going to tell my kids, I love you, Ashley, Nike, or Junebug, and then the mother four at the house. And I'm my oldest. I ain't going to hug you,

but I love you. My oldest goes to therapy. You know what I'm saying? Why everybody going to therapy these days? Why not? You know what I mean? All the resources

that we didn't have when we was younger. Why not? Yes, you did. Your mama was always on the phone telling her friend your business.

That's like saying why people going to the gym all the time, Miss Pat. Why you talk about that? Why you threw that out there? You didn't have to throw that one out there put my mask on and turn into wrestling number two y'all remember wrestling number two

no you don't remember wrestler number one and two? I just figured they was just big wrestlers. No. Whoa. Whoa. The white men with the mask on. I don't remember. You don't remember, right? The Mexican wrestlers, right?

They got names. I remember Andre the Giant. No, wrestler number one and two. They had on a mask. Google them. Two white men. I will. All right.

Yeah, they were good for the thick and faux. Okay. That's what I'm going to do to you. When we come back, we got your rumor report. We got to talk about Puff. He's trying to buy maybe BET. We'll tell you about it when we come back. I'm going to buy the word for Puff.

It's the breakfast love. Good morning. Rumor has it. Rumor. Rumor has it. Call out a name or you gossiping or you chatty patting. I am gossiping. This is the rumor report.

I mean, I guess we on the breakfast club. This is where the tea spills, right? Yes. On the breakfast club. All right, who got them? This is the rumor report. I mean, I guess we on the breakfast club. This is where the tea spills, right? Yes, on the breakfast club. All right, first let me say a sock posse to my brother Wyclef. Now, Wyclef checked himself into a hospital yesterday. He says he'll be back soon. So I'm hoping everything is okay. We don't know the reason why.

But he did say this. All right, take him into the room now. Overnight, I've never stays in the hospital overnight and he posted this on instagram he just said sometimes we forget that our body is our temple be back soon he lying he been in the hospital overnight he was born in the hospital he had to be there for at least two days. He said adult life. I'm just trying to correct him. You know, Wyclef, you been in the hospital before. Your mama just didn't have you on the corner, baby.

It's adult life, so hopefully everything is good with Wyclef. Also, Diddy might be your boss soon. Who boss? Your boss. I heard. Rumors are Diddy is exploring opportunity to purchase a majority stake in BET. You think Diddy going to outbid Tyler Perry? Come on, Tyler.

I don't think Diddy going to outbid Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry already own 25% of BET Plus. Well, you know, what you calling this in it too? What's his name? Byron Allen. Byron Allen. Who the richest? Out of Tyler, Tyler.

Out of all three of them, Tyler. Tyler. Come on, Mr. Perry. I'm ready. But why wouldn't they do it where they could possibly all own a percentage because they all bring

so much to the table right Tyler brings a lot to the table with this stuff and so does Diddy and so does Byron right what did it bring music

I mean the reality is what does that mean for Revolt with Diddy on both because in my mind if you got money to buy BET how about put that

money into Revolt put those resources into Revolt and keep building Revolt up. That would make more sense, right? But what was the main problem with Revolt? That it just wasn't in enough households, right? I mean, Revolt is still around. Right. But it's not in enough households.

And Tyler Perry got 500 acres over there. Why he going to share all that land? He don't need no help. Tyler don't need no help. Tyler don't need no help. Tyler just need me. Tyler, call me. Well, Diddy said

you better not say I'm no Madea. If you do, I'll come over there and jump in that queen chair you said. I don't think Madea got nothing on you, Miss Pat. Okay, okay. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Now, that's a battle. What? You and Madea fighting? I whooped Tyler Perry down. That's a good matchup

right there. I'd love to see Madea and Miss Pat go at it Well he said Diddy said he wants to turn BET Back into a black owned brand He believes it's better for business For the culture And for building wealth in the black community But what does that mean for Revolt?

You sold us on this Revolt thing Diddy Like you know Revolt has I think Revolt has built a lot of cultural cachet You know what I mean? People know the brand Revolt But the thing that people always say about Revolt Revolt ain't got no money So if you got money to buy BET How come you just don't put that money into Revolt what I mean? People know the brand Revolt, but the thing that people always say about Revolt, Revolt ain't got no money.

So if you got money to buy BET, how come you just don't put that money into Revolt? I just want to know. He bought Revolt and fell asleep. He gave it to Yump Miami. You think so? Yeah.

Somebody got it if ain't nothing going on now. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to hear more about the business if I was, that's what I would like to hear more from. I'm praying Tyler get it. Go on, get it, Mr. Perry. I'm over I just would like to hear more about the business. That's what I would like to hear more from.

I'm praying Tyler get it. Go on, get it, Mr. Perry. I'm over here waiting on you. I think Tyler's going to get it. Yeah, I think so. Waiting on you like a black child waiting on his daddy on his? Hey, shut up. You're having flashbacks.

I think Tyler's going to get it. Yeah. All right. Well, that is your rumor report. All right? Now, keep it locked. We got the People's Choice Mix up next. And we got more with Miss Pat. She's our guest host today. So don't move. It's the Breakfast Club. All right. Well, that is your rumor report. All right. Now, keep it locked. We got the People's Choice Mix up next. And we got more with Miss Pat. She's our guest host today.

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