The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: 42 Dugg Talks New Debut Album, Prison Time, Addresses Offset 'Beef,' Repping Detroit + More

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

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The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Nala is with us today. What up, Nala?

What's up? And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. His debut album, Forever Us, Never Them them is out right now ladies and gentlemen from detroit what up doe 42 dog what's up brother what's going on how you feeling i'm all right man taking it easy it's not crazy to even say this is your debut album i know you got a whole catalog I know you know how I be what are you feeling no I'm all right no chillin man tired too early for you I was out all night man what you with at the club yeah okay okay what a script club yeah

starlets no some of this another club notice car know what it's called what are those clubs in new york now i don't even know queens he was probably queen queen's yeah yeah queens yeah what's the difference between a debut album and all the other projects you've been putting out like what's what's the difference i guess the label however they do it like i don't know the difference i thought it was based on like the most songs. But I guess this is my first album, man. I hope y'all appreciate it. You know what I'm saying?

I put hard work into it. I did my best. Yeah. Go ahead. I was going to say, do you feel like it's a restart? Because when you had your records out before, you was on fire, right? Every record in the club. I mean, the joint with Future, the joint with everybody, Baby. And then you got locked up.

So I don't think you could really enjoy how hot you were out there. So do you feel like you had to, is it almost like starting over? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm building like my momentum back up I feel like people wanted to see if I could produce you know the same type of music good music and I feel like I answered that you know you definitely shop on this um and I remember last time you were here you talked about perfecting your rap skills

while you was locked up did this last bit help you sharpen your skills even more? Yeah, it just gave me more stuff to talk about, like more balance. I had a whole book, like what I thought I was going to do, you know what I'm saying, how I wanted to go about it. And when I got out, I'm like, man, scratch that, you know what I'm saying. I wanted to chill, I wanted to have fun. I wanted to see my kids. And then by the time I was ready to go in the studio, I felt like, you know, I was ready.

Prior to this album, when you did have, like, the single circulating, did you have a different project in mind, like, before everything went down? You did? Yeah. I had a, I was going gonna call it love don't live here and i was just making songs about you know stuff like that relationship stuff and what happened you was with somebody and y'all y'all broke up while y'all was in no we ain't break up we just was you know up and down you know something what I'm saying? So I'm like, and, you know, that's the time when we, you know, got back right.

She didn't want to do the bid with you? Yeah, yeah. No, for sure she did that. It just was like, you know. You mad you in there? Not even that, because I was going to call it that before I went to jail. You know what I'm saying? So when I went to jail, her being there for me, like, kind of scratched that. Oh, that's good. You know what I'm saying? And when I went to jail, her being there for me kind of scratched that.

Oh, that's good. You know what? No, wait. Did Love Not... That's funny as shit. He about to drop a diss album on a girl. No, it wasn't that. It wasn't that, man.

It wasn't no diss album. It was just a different... Was fame and just the emotion you were getting, was, stopping you from being able to give the love, like, your partner was looking for? I mean, I'd say, like, just more so the lifestyle, like, being out in different states, you know what I'm saying, trying to take that into consideration. And it's just, like, it's a lot of stuff going on

you know what I'm saying you actually gotta make that time so somebody probably feel like you ain't making that time you know what I'm saying well I'm doing this I might not be doing this but I'm doing all this you know what I'm saying

so I'm like man but I'm doing all this. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, man, but I got to be right. Having a girlfriend while doing the bid and me doing the bid tougher, right? Yeah, hell yeah. Because you like, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? You ain't there, so you like.

Somebody might be there. Man, somebody got to be there. That's what you're thinking, right? But it's up to her like to keep reassuring you like no this ain't some girls let you know like look man as soon as you step foot in there i'm gone damn yeah yeah that's how i'll be man but you heard you heard all the support though when you were locked up i mean people were trying to get you out they were putting up money talking about money one woman now

but he had support because he was in there you gotta feel lonely no i was in a hole a lot so either way when i was feeling lonely like i couldn't talk on the phone i couldn't you know what i'm saying i just wanted to do a lot why were you in the hole you fighting or no i was like certain jails would put me in the hole just because of who I am. They say it's a security risk to the compound. Everybody walking up on pictures. They feel like the COs. You said pictures. What? Like it's the club.

Yeah, some shit like that. But they like, I ain't going to say pictures. Just want to kick it. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to say pictures. Just want to kick it. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to say pictures. Just want to kick it in. And they be paying attention to the COs getting too close.

And they be like, we can't have you out here. You was worried about your girl. Your girl should have been worried about you knocking off the female COs, it sounds like. Oh my God. I wasn't too much worried about it

because, you know, you be like, you know, I ain't in here never ever you know how those things I'm worried about nobody I just I hope you stay on the right track that's for everybody even with your friend you like I'll stay focused out there you know what I'm saying take care of the keys you know saying you doing what you can you still got to take care that's the most important thing you still got to take care everybody from there your mama you know how'd your mom feel when she heard the my mama record off the for us never them out I mean she

you know she just rocked with a you know what I'm saying? She really ain't gonna too much focus on one song. She listening to everything. She gonna send me a text like, you know what I'm saying? This new album is hard. You know what I'm saying?

I'm proud of you. Stuff like that. Is that her on the intro? No, that's my principal. Your principal? Yeah. I was wondering what was the call that you gave your principal that made her wondering what was the call

that you gave your principal that made her come back with that so my principal she like she do like

speaking like motivational speaking so when I was young I went to prison like

15 and I had a warrant you know and she the only person that gave me to turn myself in I'm like I ain't going you know how I'm young you know sound like hey I ain't going in she called she came to my house like so my mama I got a friend in the police off you know he what I'm saying? He could turn his stuff in. They're going to make sure they don't touch him. He's going to go straight to the jail, give him a bond,

and y'all can get him back out. So then that happened. I got him back out. And they were going to prison. And while I was in prison, my first time, she went to prison the principal yeah i want to say was it money lines or something like some of them between them lines but she ended up going to prison federal prison and she you know she when she got out she was writing me you know what i'm saying just telling me like i'm proud of you because when i got out i started

rapping you know what i'm saying and i took off like kind of quick you put money on her books i was in jail oh you was in jail yeah i was in jail so we probably got out about the same time so anyway we was connecting on social media she I'm proud of you know stuff like that

and then I end up going back to prison and she just write me every week every two weeks telling me ideas

sending me stuff about Shaq how he take care of his family on a you know stuff like that. Sending me books, sending me songs she think I should redo.

And just like, you know, I think you should let me talk on your album. Oh, so this is the last time you went to prison in 2022? Yeah. You didn't want to turn yourself in then either? No. I don't blame you for not wanting to go to prison. But I mean, damn, dog. I don't know what I had going on, bro.

I mean, I ain't going to lie, bro. Coming from, like, just coming from the hood, like, bro. Turning yourself in a jail going to be the hardest thing. Walking into somebody's jail knowing it's going to be a minute. Like, I don't feel like nobody like can swallow that you know what i'm saying i should have did it because it was six months but you know it was hard though you had your career six months but it would have been six months if you just it would have been six months at a count it probably would have been 90 days. Ideally. Because we're halfway house.

Home, monitor. But you know, I didn't know about the federal government. All I knew about was state. And the state of Michigan is day for day. So I'm like, So you're like, I'm on fire right now. I'm getting all this money right now.

You know what I'm saying? Bro, I probably had like two million dollars in shows like just lined up so i'm like you know what i'm saying this one catch me if you can damn you still regret it hell yeah i'm like I just regretted the whole situation. Like, yeah. When they telling me. You know, I had a sweet situation for her. How my probation went.

She was letting me pretty much do my thing. She was letting me pretty much travel. I really, you know, sometimes I'm up like, they be on my back. I really fucked up. Like, you know, I I messed up this time. Even in jail, I used to tell people, my judge, he was so hard on me. I used to be like, he really let me go.

You know what I'm saying? I really just messed it up. That's part of growth, though. You know what I'm saying? For sure. You older now, so you understand. You know what? I could have handled that a different way but sure I wish I would have you

know it is a line on your album I can't remember who he was rapping about but you was like I bet you he wish he took that 10 yeah skeet he got offered 10 years and 30 hey Jesus yeah and it just like like you know even with him he like he feel like if I would've took that 10 years I probably would still

end up doing 30 cause I wouldn't learn nothing you know what I'm saying so he like this time being in here for this amount of time

made me like curve how I want to live. Made me see what I needed to do, what I was doing wrong. See what you need to do, what you do. You know what I'm saying? Just as far as everybody. Who was he to you? My brother.

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. How long you been there? He been in there for 14. Damn. Damn. Yeah. It just been, like, we all went to jail 2011 like we all and I feel like

once I changed like our look everybody started like because a few people had life and they didn't came home like from life like you know that's probably the hardest thing you're going to do that's probably the hardest thing

you're going to do like and I feel like all it takes is like one person just to switch it up absolutely switch everybody

look no for sure for sure it's looking good right now now when you got home were you surprised at how Detroit is now because Now, when you got home, were you surprised at how Detroit is now?

Because I think when you got locked up in Detroit, it seemed like everybody was against everybody. Yeah. But now when I go to Detroit, I'm seeing those same people, everybody partying together. It seems like it's more welcoming, the artists and the hip hop community. They got a taste of that money. They don't fuck the money up. Yeah. I always used to tell people, I probably would be feuding with somebody who probably ain't

doing as much. So they really ain't got nothing to lose. You know what I'm saying? Once they got a taste of that money, they like, for what? Everybody like, what we doing like you know let's get this money like everybody feel like their song where everybody getting their followers up everybody getting their views up and you know what i'm saying i just was telling somebody like somebody gotta like be the next person like to go crazy like don't just let it be close don't just you know what i'm saying don't just let the

last thing be like oh they were so close right like he's gonna go crazy you know what i'm saying i feel like there's a few of y'all now for sure it is you kill a baby baby face ray like it's a bunch of y'all it seemed like sure getting money too why didn't you make uh fresh from the feds the first song on that album man you think that should have been first yeah somebody told me spend that back should have been a first song but i ain't put it on there what i wanted to be i want to need you to be the first song need you yeah it's a song on there i need you that's it was that a tough record to write yeah because it was like about my people yeah it was like them type of songs like you gotta catch that cadence to write like how it come on that was like the hardest part to record

how it come on it's a line where i had to say it just a certain way or i ain't like it like so i'm in there saying it like you know what i'm saying then when i record i gotta double it like so i'm trying to make it man i just i just had i had worked hard on that song so i'm like last minute i'm like i tell god and rich like i feel like this should be the intro you know what i'm saying they're like we can't change nothing yeah need you to it's too sentimental to be the first song i feel like that's. But I like to start my projects like that. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, even Freedom Boys, I started, like,

or, like, what a jail call, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that stuff. But the intro, it had to grow on me. You know what I'm saying? I'm seeing people's reactions to it. They like, no, we like it. Now, when was that? When was that, yeah. With Need You, you is that gonna be a tough record to perform

like when you on stage you know uh i don't know i don't know i ain't never thought about that like might cry though i ain't never thought about that like i mean that'll be a good a good moment though if it is you know what I'm saying everybody feel like that towards somebody you know what I'm saying somebody that lost

a friend so you know hopefully we can we can catch that me and the fan and I read somewhere too you know talking about

the jail again that you were when you were locked up you didn't like receiving fan mail said it bothered you well they wouldn't let me get it that much

they'd keep it from me so like I said a lot of time I was isolated so when I do get it

I just read it like see what somebody talking about and I answered a lot of letters you know people probably

ain't get my letter cause they weren't sending them out but I wrote back a lot of people like just telling them like how I was feeling they like you coming close to home you know and I appreciate it I tried to answer as many as I could some people's like I'm coming to your country you know what I'm saying you know you try to people take their time I like even your friends ain't gonna to do that as much.

And that was another thing you did that was pretty big. When you got home, you did that huge concert in the city and brought the city out. Yes, sir. People were grateful and thankful for that. How was that? How was that reaction? Man, that was crazy. It was crazy just seeing it come together.

You never know what you can do until you do it. Won't nobody believe you can do it until it's done. You know what I'm saying? All the way up until it's done. Like, you know what I'm saying? So all the way up until the weekday, like, you know what I'm saying? He ain't finna. And it wasn't really about selling it out. It was just about putting on a show. Like, everybody think my motive was like,

I want to just see if I'm selling it out or I'm just big. I'm like, no, it wasn't ever about selling it out. It was just about putting on this show, like, see what type of show we could put on, you know what I'm saying? You brought so many people to the city, so many people out that day. Were you surprised so many people showed up? Yeah, yeah, I was surprised. I mean, but.

Why? You clearly got fans. You're getting all this mail in jail. You got mad support from people on the outside. Why would you be surprised? Because Detroit a tough city, man. New York a tough city, too. I done performed here before me and Baby.

They down there. You know what I'm saying? They ain't finna be going crazy. You just got to take it for what it is. Detroit, they a little better than new york on that like first they uh you know what i'm saying they get some type of effort new york they just too fresh so and there i'm like if they come is they gonna go crazy you know what i'm saying and when i'm picking the artists we like who gonna get them to go crazy i'm picking this artist i'm picking the artists, we like, who gonna get them to go crazy? I'm picking this artist,

I'm picking that. But I had some good, good, good artists. I knew Jeezy, I knew Meek. You know what I'm saying? Boosie.

Like, and everybody, I mean, everybody, bro, that came was like, bro, this the best concert we ever,

they like, y'all wanna let us sit down like soon we thought we was gonna sit down all right we should sit down somebody you know what i'm saying we could chill on it another person came out with hits like and you know what i'm saying now i'm trying to do it again and it's like how do you compete with that or do you even try to compete with that i mean you could have a dog festival at this point in detroit i think the city needs something every year yeah doug day something but do you think they're gonna get tired no not if you keep bringing new artists you know so how do i do it do i bring new artists right here i would think so yeah bring new artists i mean the same thing

what god he does every year when he does did that show when everybody comes on out meek did it a couple times in philly yeah drake got the ovo drake got the ovo fest and it gives you an opportunity to introduce new detroit artists every year yeah yeah that one i'm uh see this year i'm gonna try to focus on like the newer artists you know the newer artists of the world. That was about, like, just, I put my all in that one. You know what I'm saying? This year, I feel like,

I know what they want. I feel like I can do it now. I can set it up. You had Jeezy, and you've always spoke about admiring Jeezy. Y'all worked together. He on the new album, the BMF record.

When you look at how he evolved as a man, did that inspire you? Do you look at that and be like, oh, okay. I see where street niggas can go. Man, yeah, watching Jeezy, bro. You know, Jeezy's my favorite artist. So it's like, you know, I just keep tabs.

I don't try to be on it too much. I just be keeping tabs. And I just be, you know, I've seen dropping books. I've seen, you know, even having found, you know, I see him dropping books. I see him, you know, even having family. You know what I'm saying? Trying new stuff. So, you know, I just admire it from afar, man. You know what I'm saying?

That's my guy hitting my page as I get letting up, you know what I'm saying, what I got going on. He tell me what he got going on. Or even Gotti, because we seen the transition from Gotti as well. Yeah, man. These boys growing up, everybody man I'm trying to get there one day man get that honey meal with them boys how did you feel when Gotti uh you know publicly offered two million dollars to any lawyer who could help you get out of prison I was like why ain't nobody accepting this shit

huh accepting this shit. For real, I'm like, man. Damn. I'm in there looking at counselors crazy. Y'all heard what he said. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. I wanted to get out so bad, bro.

But, you know. I mean, just the fact he... Hey, what's up? This is Ramses Jha. And I go by the name Q Ward. And we'd like you to join us each week for our show Civic Cipher. That's right.

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It's always good in there for people who got people in there. It's always good like to show that type of stuff. Even if it's just once a month, you just let them know like bro we miss you out here that's why i made we need you like fresh from the fed like you gotta let these people know these some of these people feel like life is over bro like they ain't never getting out don't

nobody love them you know what i'm saying so you gotta just reassure these people like look bro life ain't the same without you know what i'm saying stay focused we coming to get you whatever it take and that's just what i'll be trying that's what i feel like he did for me that's and that's what i'll be trying to do you so you felt forgotten for a little moment behind the wall i don't want to say forgotten but you know you you can get caught up in that because it rub off even though i probably got the most support somebody else probably don't got no support so they had you thinking like you right man you know what i'm saying i remember i was in there complaining about having 90 more days and my bunkie ain't ain't never getting out you feel me i'm like why the hell they put me here with him

i'm like when you get out because i'm in there like man i got 90 days killing me bro i need to go now if you i like when you getting out, bro? He's like, bro, I got life. I'm like, what? You know what I'm saying? Then he gets to thinking, like, why the hell they put me here, man? Like, what? They trying to flip the script. Man, that nigga might wild out one night.

For real, jealous of you coming home. Man, you feel me? That's all it take, bro. All it takes, you get in there with the wrong person. How important is mail when you behind? Very, the most important thing, like probably more important

than phone calls. Damn. Mail, because it's like, you know, somebody put their effort into it, they time out,

you know what I'm saying? You be smiling the whole letter. Mm-hmm. Who wrote you that you were surprised that they actually took the time out to write you? My man, Scotty. My homeboy. Mm-hmm.

He wrote me in a letter. It said, like, he had his name on there. It said, Young and Turn Entertainment. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he wrote me. What surprised you about it? Because, like I said, these people young in the streets. Like, you know what I'm saying yeah he wrote me what surprised you about cause like I said these people young in the streets

like you know what I'm saying they ain't gonna write they call nah for sure like cause it's hard for me to write like I ain't damn

I don't know if I'm gonna write bro like unless it's you know you got to text and that so you can write off your phone but to see him

actually put a letter in and then everybody else saying like you know we need you that's the only thing I wrote you know I said that in the song so they just you know that was cool they only wrote me a couple times but that was it that was all I needed you know what I'm saying all you need is one letter from somebody man you got somebody like that just write them one side on the record uh wrong right you said you don't even smoke anymore is that because of probation or you just

want to get to keep your head clear i don't do no lean no more i don't do nothing like because of probate but anyway i don't know if i'll be doing it anyway yeah no not nothing. Like, I ain't even thought about it. On the intro, the printable, oh, go ahead,

go ahead, man. I was just gonna say, why the title Forever Us, Never Them? I mean, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like y'all saying, like Detroit Big right now, you know, you trying to do everything and I feel like I'm a, I won't say big enough person,

but, a, a weird enough person, like, that I could say big enough person, but, uh, aware enough person, like, that I could say it like, forever, us,

never them. Y'all seen what we did on the concert. You know what I'm saying? Y'all seen everybody can't hear the rockers. Like, let's do it. Us is Detroit. Yeah. Us is Detroit.

Us is my homeboy, my family. Us is just whoever you want it to be. forever, us, never them. It might not even not even be them like you know what i'm saying that's how i wanted to put it on the uh the intro you talk about what the principal talks about probation being a trap and then you know we also saw you on social media being vocal about the conditions that were going on in prison so what's making you want to speak out about that now? Well, it was a hard time.

They had me in there in no microwave. You got to eat, warm your food up in the shower. Like, imagine that. Imagine having to use the water in the shower. And even when I was complaining, like, they coming in there, tearing my room up, getting mad. I'm like, how y'all mad at the conditions y'all got us living in? We already in jail. But, you know what I'm saying?

How would you expect jail to be? You know, it's jail. Like, what they tell you, like, don't come here. You know what I'm saying? It ain't going to be a suite. it ain't no it ain't gonna be a suite it ain't gonna be a hotel so i'm like you know i took that consideration are you right you're still humans though yeah they don't care are you using any of the got these resources like uh the reform alliance and all of that to maybe improve any of the conditions of prisons in

michigan well my principal She like be on that She going back into prisons And stuff like that Right now I'm like We leaning on her man Leaning on Wallo man You know Snoop to Wallo

Yeah they got it going on man They gotta change it You said something on that record With ESTG man What's the record called Since When Since When You said You got a chick who gives you

head with two missing teeth I've got it like eat it like both her teeth missing yeah I said like her like both her teeth miss oh so she got to okay you said like both her teeth oh I cuz I was just like why you don't buy a new team yeah no I was just like you know you know when buy a new tee? Yeah, no, I was just like, you know, you know, when you're growing up, you hear the old people like, man, crackheads. Don't nobody get here. Like, girl, no tee. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like that was a little silly.

Show me. I mean, you know, I believe the life, man. There's something to that. There's definitely something to that. All right. You know? Thanks, Dallas. So you did the record with Meek.

Thanks, Dallas. Because I don't know what is going on anymore. It was going to go crazy. It was about to. I definitely like the features that you got on it, Rilo. I like the record with Meek. Talk to me about that in any conversation that you guys shared. And tell them the truth what you said.

Huh? As a woman, tell them what you didn't like. right i ain't really damn man you really be doing too much tell them what you didn't like i think it's a song with me or maybe it's a song after but you're like shut up yes me it's like um yeah i fucked that bitch and he fucked that bitch yeah we fucked that bitch you mad we fucked that bitch you know what I'm saying? That sounds crazy coming from you. When she said that I said you gonna be really mad when you hear Doug say he don't fuck girls fuck nobody girl no more he fuck they mamas.

Fuck their mamas. I was just like alright this is a lot that's all but. I mean we was geeked up man we was just in there you know what what i'm saying it was like on them up tempo beats so i'm just in there going like how you mad at me she fucking how you mad at me he fuck you know what i'm saying it wasn't really nothing to her no no particular girl that's a good question why you mad so i just don't love it i don't want to hear it i don't why you want to switch it up why you mad at me you know what i'm saying i hear what you're saying i get the bars i get it i get it but talk about working with me because i know you guys both have had you know similar trials did you guys my homie man you know what

i'm saying good dude came from like similar places you know what i'm saying when i was young you know what i'm saying mika was the first dude we kind of seen doing this like hopping on jets and rolls royces dirt bikes bust down watch so you gotta always pay homage to a guy like me me did it first and you know you and sexy redxy Red got the record NPO. You know that's a classic BET uncut record. Yeah, for sure. Is that your inspiration? Yeah, for sure.

Okay. Like, I was just, you know, when I heard it, like, when I was thinking of putting it on there, I'm like, who going to be the perfect person? I'm like, I thought of her like, she got to be on here. You know what I feel like I feel like music always circle back like you know what I'm saying so I feel like going back that was a good one I ain't heard nobody I heard somebody

used the title but I heard nobody actually used it you know what I'm saying I feel like the old people appreciate it. The old people? Yeah, like the older. You know what I'm saying? Do you hate the internet, man? I don't want to say I hate it. I just probably hate how it's used.

I don't know how to use it. You know what I'm saying? I might get on there a while. But I ain't been doing it lately. I just talk shit now. You know, but it's like, it's tricky, man. Like, internet changed the way of life. Because it seems like every so often they come at you about something.

Like, the last thing I saw was. I don't know. What's that beef with me? You was out playing with your daughter, and they started saying you and your daughter was the same height. Yeah, like, I don't really get too mad at that type of stuff. I don't get mad at jokes at all. I just get mad at like the foul love, you know what I'm saying?

A joke is a joke, I can take a joke, any joke really. But the crazy stuff I be like, you know no salary but it's the internet so you you always gonna be open and that type of stuff being like a celebrity you know they always gonna come at you with this they always gonna come at you with this you gotta think these people ain't got nothing else to do mm-hmm nothing else to do now you said that the beats in hip-hop have declined. You think producers are not making beats to a good caliber anymore? Yeah, I feel like they ain't trying.

I remember we used to go to the studio. It used to take us like two, three beats. We picking a song. And it almost probably going to be a hit. You know what I'm saying? Now we in there listening for an hour two hours just going through and it's just like man i feel like i did good though you got some jamming as far as my tape like i feel like i always do you pick right but it took me longer than they usually take me you know what i'm saying so you know hopefully you get better I've been hearing like music music and

all like just been declining the music says the more people listen I just been here like people just I don't know what it is people putting your trash not putting enough effort into it yeah yeah you You know, you see who's doing it now, the girls. It's shifting over. Yes. The girls putting out the heat. It's like, hey, it's down to like, anything they put out of heat, almost.

You know, certain girls, they hitting. I'm just saying that the other day, I was like, sex is not sex. And it's like, damn, is we competing with them? I think they seem to be having more fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know what i mean like like the the dudes are still being too tough a little bit i mean i was talking to somebody i'm like man what they should do is how to do what you mean like sexy you need to go make a mixtape with gloria oh yeah yeah you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah yeah like they need to now i was telling god like they need to do it why they can do it like you know what i'm saying like how drake would how did build a future

drink to the record future that he did one with 21. you know what i'm saying like they i don't know if they think like that but that's why i was like that's how you you really put your foot on this shit Why you didn't use a gorilla instead of sexy right? Like is this the matter like now we can we get love? We gotta go on a few song. It just was like No, I ain't got her on my I ain't got on that but me and her got a few songs, you know no sin and you know, it's just a matter of balance like I think when it comes to your point about production sometimes production carries

the beat for certain artists you know and then sometimes the artists carry it somebody told me that about future like uh this guy this producer I'm like I, man, I don't really been liking the beat. We was talking about this. I'm telling my homie, he's like, bro, Pluto can make any song hard, bro. You know what I'm saying? He was saying like that. I'm like, I got what he was saying. Maybe I should start rapping on anything.

I see Gotti's not on the album. Gotti ain't want to rap no more. Is Gotti done done? No, I want that. I feel like Gotti always going to be, you know, with me. Like, he will never, you know what I'm saying? It just, like, it just was, I had so many other songs, features, bro. It was hard narrowing this stuff down

because I don't be liking to put that many songs out because I be like, bro, they gonna skip over these songs. I'm gonna be mad. You know what I'm saying? But now that I put it out like that, I'm kind of glad because I'm seeing people like, man, no skips. They like front to back.

Every song, you know what I'm saying? They like, look, these are our favorites. But bro, we listen to the whole thing. We like front to back. They like every song. You know what I'm saying? They like, look, these are our favorites. But bro, we listen to the whole thing. But we like the whole tape. And that be keeping other people probably be having bigger songs than me on their tape. But Gotti was

telling me, like, by you putting out good music, your tape be on the charts a lot longer. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, okay, I'ma keep that in mind. I just wanna make good music instead of big songs. Amen.

Did you see, I gotta ask you, because you from Detroit, did you see Skilla Baby say that most people in Detroit wouldn't say Eminem is the best rapper from Detroit? I ain't seen him say that, but that's probably, you know what I'm's probably how they feel. Why? Just because it's a different generation?

Or not relatable? Probably both. Some people ain't. The new kids don't even know about Eminem. You know what I'm saying? How would they? You would have to really be a music person to go back. I know.

So that's always my car when somebody get to bringing us a mic from somewhere like yeah we had him now you feel me I feel like he did he'd go but he also didn't make you know it didn't make street music yes they're probably touch but he made deep music yeah I feel like listening that type of stuff is the reason I can make songs like, Needs You and Fresh and Afraid. Because I always was, them type of songs like, I go listen to Toy Soldiers or Stan. Rob Markman, You can tell a story. T.J.: They was my favorite song.

So when it's my turn to make real songs, i already you know i already damn near know how to channel it like because i know what i'm looking for i'm looking for a stand type of vibe or i'm looking for a choice you know what i'm saying and people probably ain't i mean you know it's a new generation of kids so they probably don't even they he probably listen to Eminem nothing you know skilla baby also says something else and you said something really that made me think about it about the Detroit rapper like becoming that next next person yeah he said he don't feel like Detroit rappers are as consistent as they should be you feel that way yeah but bro I don't know if people know how hard it is to get a banger. You know what I'm saying?

It ain't that easy. These people trying. I feel like they dropping the music. It just ain't connecting. It just ain't a big song. They can't help it. We can't help it. You just got to do your best, man.

You know what I'm saying? Keep trying, man. Like, if you go in there with the mentality, I'm trying to make a banger, how often do you actually come out with one? Honestly, like, I go in there like, I'm trying to make a good song. Well, I go in there like,

I'm trying to make a banger for the studio. You know what I'm saying? Say if we all in the studio, I'm trying to make a banger for y'all. You know what I'm saying say if we all in the studio I'm trying to make a banner for y'all you know what I'm saying and hopefully you know what I'm saying it connect with the world when you did

We Paid and Maybach that was the mindset like let's just turn up in the studio no hell no I ain't even think for sure ain't think none of that no? oh wow

no hell no. I made we pay. Like, I was telling somebody before, like, when I made we pay, I was kind of uncomfortable rapping on that type of beat. Because it's so slow? It just want my bounce. I didn't see it with that one either because it's so slow. When that first kick hit, it's crazy.

Yeah, it want my bounce. So, me and Baby in there, we just freestyling, really. You know what I'm saying? So as I'm freestyling, as he's freestyling, we just going back. And I'm like, before I go broke like Jock, you know what I'm saying? I said that. And he like, you got to put that on there. And I put that on there.

Why did you Jock dirty, man? No, I was just saying it like. I was just trying to say some Atlanta stuff. So I'm just saying it like, I was just trying to say some Atlanta stuff. So I'm confused. Fargo broke like that door like big. And he like, put that on there. And I had left that song alone. Like, we had rapped all through the song.

He came back to it like, look, let's put a hook on here. So he must have like, you know, he must have felt like, he like, let's put a hook on here. So he must have like, you know, he must have felt like, he like, let's put a hook on there. We go back in and that's why I came in. Like still a bit,

if you listen to it, you can hear me like, still a bit, my last shooting dice in the hood. That's the whole new added part. His verse really came after that. You know what I'm saying? It was straight,

me, his verse. So he like, add some more, then we gonna be the hook. And when we got to the hook, I'm saying? It was straight me, his verse. So he like asked him, oh, then we going to be the hook. And when we got to the hook, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we pay. I'm like, hell no. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, you like that? I ain't like that. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we pay. I feel like it was just so cheesy. You know what I'm saying? It took off. It took off. Man, you know, that's like you just never know bro you ever ran into jock after that no no

i don't know what jack my jock might try this shit y'all been talking crazy man i'm like bro i ain't got no problem bro god damn you just rapping yeah you and baby y'all he he tells you down your your bit your whole bit right now for sure yeah but even in you know I got said jelly dark place so you don't keep calling people living life you on you know I'm saying you might shake in once a three weeks I'll just take any ever so which he wouldn't get get out anytime you know something so so you know as soon as you got ID for sure yeah that's all I thought I saw him give you some money or something yeah you sure gave me some

money got here you straight how much though they gave me by that me why all together all the go okay okay okay yeah a few hundred so baby gave you a few How much though? They gave me about that million. What? All together. Oh, all together. OK, OK, OK. Yeah, a few hundred thousand. So Baby gave you a few hundred thousand. Future gave you a few hundred thousand. Future gave me a hundred. Nigga sound like the IRS over there. Yeah, yeah, man.

Hey, man. What you think? I don't know. I don't know. This is homeboy. Like, hey, bro. You didn't feel. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They ain't give me nothing, man. Listen, if the baby give you the money and then pull out the dice and say, let's get it. Nah. Me and him don't even shoot dice against each other. We go against other people. Why? Because y'all just too good?

We too cool. You know what I'm saying? We too cool. Yeah. There was a rumor, man, that you and Austin had got into a fight over a dice game any truth today I mean we can get enough I say we got to argument you know the internet like they turned it into you got robbed I'm not the type of guy that even go for that type of shit. You know?

You know the internet, the internet, man. Even these people, man, they like play into this shit how they want to. You just got to let these people have this shit, man. Yeah, you in jail forever, man. Trying to prove a point. Trying to prove who you not. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, whatever happened, man. You know what I'm saying? Y'all know who I you not you know what i'm saying so i'm like whatever happened man you know what i'm saying y'all know who i am you know what i'm saying or is there one you and

offset no i ain't really getting all that i ain't gonna against nobody though honestly you might do my own thing you know i'll be with who i'll be with let everybody else get off how they get on so who would you rather run into offset a young jock both yeah no i'm talking shit for two doug ladies and gentlemen the album forever us never them out right now how you answer that one you guys crazy we appreciate you for joining us brother brother stay focused man appreciate it man it's four two doug it's the breakfast club good morning wake that ass up in the morning the breakfast club hey what's up this is ramses job and i go by the name q war and we'd like you to join us each week

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