The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Adam 'Pacman' Jones On Rapping, Russell Wilson Trade, Relationship With Chris Henry, Cam, Shaq +More

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

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Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Pac-Man Jones. Welcome back, brother. Yes, sir. Smell me. Appreciate for having me back. How you doing, King? I'm doing good, man. I ain't got no complaints. Been good. Okay. How's the year you put out you got an album out i got uh i haven't

dropped the album yet um i've dropped the first single which was since i've been up on the universal which was ferrari kit um it did really good but standing on business is coming out thursday well friday friday thursday night yeah um i think this is gonna be the one that to let people know i'm serious about what I'm doing and I'm not just an athlete trying to rep. I'm eager to see how the people take this.

I got Shaq on the remix of Standing on Bends. Shaq? I got probably going to drop that next one. My next one I'm going to drop. I got Jody Breeze, Packing Breeze. I got Bootsy on the song. So I got a lot of work that I've been working on.

It's good, though. It's good. True story. I'm real good at putting words together, I think. I talk, sit behind the mic like you guys do four days a week so man but i like doing it and i'm really good at i would not be wasting my my time and my hard-earned money if i didn't really think uh i can push the needle with this now you said universal so you did a deal with universal yeah i did a deal with universal um 80 20 split Basically, I'm just using them for the marketing and putting

out the distribution part. But yeah, I got one of them, what do they say, baby divs? P&D. I own all my masters. So yeah, it's good, man. This is a chance where I can put some of the guys around me on

and show them, like, this shit take work. And I was telling my boy the other day, I was working on a performance and I'm sitting there working on four songs for like two and a half hours. By the time I got through, I was fucking winded. I mean, you're like,

bro, what's wrong? I'm like, bro, you go up here and just talk and screaming this mic for three hours and make sure you could say every word and see how you feel. And, you know, most people just think, Oh yeah yeah just go in the booth and put a song together and that's for guys i guess who don't really get to get up here and talk on the big stage because it's only one percent of us get to do that too yeah you know i mean so

um but i enjoy it man my life has been nothing but a glass house trials and tribulations. And it's a true story. So I can talk about a lot of shit that people be making up, talking about, that people are going to really know what I've been through and how it's coming. Why music right now? Because, I mean, you could, like you said, you could start a podcast. You could write a book. Why is music the best way to tell your story right now? I got a podcast.

I'm on Pat McAfee. I got my own podcast, Undercover Dogs. I got my own show, Bedding Online. But this is what my passion is. And, like, I was talking to Pat the other day. He's like, bro, me listen to this music. Why not you? And he is real critical about certain things I know he's white

but he's not a normal white guy I should say I get paid a lot of money to do what I like to do which is talk shit behind a mic I'm not talking about rapping and critiquing other people so shit let them critique me a little bit now

when did you know because you said you don't want to be labeled as an athlete that just want to rap. When did you know you wanted to rap? You've been wanting to rap since you was younger? Well, I was rapping. And then so I had a label the year I got suspended that was called NSL, National Street League. The NFL sued me for coming up with National Street League and made me shut it down because it was too much like national football league wow as far as the symbol i still have the tattoo right here

and i had to shut it down so i focused all my energy and football at that time because it was the main thing that i had going on i was gonna pay 10 million dollars to play football like why would you want to do this right now? And then you got to realize back then it was a shield. Like, we didn't have all these platforms to voice our opinion. Back then it was like, hey, you got to do it this way. You can't do it. Now, shit, anybody got a platform if you're doing it the right way. And I'm talking about for athletes when I'm saying that, really,

because normally you'd be so scared to say something because you don't want to get fined or the team that you're playing with don't want you rapping, they don't want you doing that. But now it is a whole different game for us athletes and being able to market yourself, doing the pods, saying whatever you want to say after the game so somebody can't take the only two words that they like out of the interview.

Oh, he said he hate playing with the bingers, and that's the only two parts when you can go right after the game on any platform, and if you say it right and you're doing it right, you can kind of change the narrative of how other people can spin it. Yeah. Did you see nick van x will tweet yesterday where he said uh it's a shame some former players in the media have turned into the folks they didn't like while they were playing yeah what do you think about that um i've

never gave two fucks about what anybody said about me you know i mean because i know who i am a person i don't think he was talking about you in particular but i, but I'm finna answer. Me, I'm saying when I was playing, too. You get what I'm saying? Like, to me, if you, if I got a job to critique all of, anybody that plays sports about how they play sports. Now, when it come to me talking personal about them, that's different. And now if I say, shit, you suck. If you suck, bro, suck bro you gotta take that

up on yourself and i'll never forget this um shack called me one time i was like bro i thought you was faster than that brother like you you're a little slow bro like but that that was his way of telling me hey bro you need to pick your shit up you get what i'm saying and like he did it on tv too like oh ah right on like he won't like and that really is not picking at a person if you know how to uh accept it yeah it was like hey bro step your shit up and i have a personal relationship with him and i did i would i would have never took it as oh he's shooting shots at me it's like no bro this is my way of telling you like hey pick it up bro yeah and some people take it the wrong way and some people do talk about people like i got some

people that i don't i don't like flat out and i and i'll tell you but i don't mix sports with my personal stuff and when i'm behind this mic if i don't like you over there i now i might tell you i don't like you but i'm not gonna do nothing outside of the lines of what we're talking about and i think that's the big part that some people don't realize like if you sign up for this bro you signed up to get talked about how do you deal with sports pundits in your situation because you know coming up you definitely did your thing on the field but you had off course situations too so how did you you know deal with it when people talk about your off-court issue um where i come from a little place off the field i'm sorry i come from a little place in atlanta

called bankhead court boat rock like so i've always been against the needle um the first time it was hard because you ain't got nobody. Like me personally, like my dad got killed early right in front of me. My grandma passed away when I was in college. So it's like really just me and my mom. And my mom is more like my sister, I should say. I'm the taker. I take care of her, I should say.

But the first time when I got suspended, it was hard. But I always knew, like, it was never about the money because I got a lot of money young. I always wanted to get the last laugh. I always wanted to be like, damn, he got suspended for a whole year and came back and played fucking 14 years.

Like, he broke his neck at 31 and came back and played with two Pro Bowls and an All-Pro. So, like, it fueled a fire in me. Like, I'm not one of those guys that's less, talk about me. Talk about me. I like it. Like, it do something to me inside to click a button.

So, like, I'm all for it. Like, I have no problems. If you hear this record you said some shit i want you to tell me it's some shit if it's a book in my nose i want you to say hey bro get that book out your nose so i'm open house and i believe like this newer generation is a little softer than uh us 80s babies the 2000s babies are real you can't touch them really like you gotta watch what you say to them how you coach them

just a little different telling somebody they can't rap that's one of the toughest conversations we have in the black community you be like oh that song sucks that you can't rap it's like that hurts people hard and then now you're a hater instead of just taking it as a critique you're a hater if you run a bad route I'm gonna tell you that was a terrible route right there.

Same thing. The only bad thing is if you run a bad route, most times you get an opportunity to run a bad route. If you put out a trash record or a trash verse, people remember that forever. You know what I mean? You run a bad route, the next route you run it good, they don't even talk about that bad route anymore but you put out a a trash record it just sticks with you depending on it you can trash record once yeah but trash record twice gonna stick with that go back and wiggle in there if you got what it take to make what if what you need to make yeah so what so are you ready to do see this way it's always difficult

for me right because you you win the league you make you made a lot of money in the league and you're making money now yeah but i get paid more money now then i well i shouldn't say that but right i get podcasts and everything that you do now but rap you got to start with that early grind remember that early grind when you first started running and and you got to go back to that go back to the radio stations the djs are you do you want to do that i enjoyed the process bro going to the club i enjoy this shit like i enjoy it like my life is like that my life is doing free shows i've done numerous of free shows just to let people hear and see like because it's different from me rapping on the mic and perform

a lot of that can't perform that can still represent and some of them are big artists and you go to the show you like and he's just standing at one spot right yeah you don't need failing them it's like we can listen to it in the video on the video it wasn't entertaining booking you on the show you you and they put you On a Spirit Airlines Because they can't afford A first class seat I booked my own seat Okay Same way I was here 930 I told them to be here

At 930 I was here at 915 I'm one of those Type of guys Like I enjoy the process Take it serious And I'm for real About what I'm doing

Who got this song Let's listen to this song That shit is like Bang okay S.O.B. I'm with S.O.B. Which one is it I want to hear it right now Let's listen to it and give him our critique yeah he can't wait

to say it's trash you can't wait because you love when somebody should have I don't want to tell him that I want the record to be good you can't wait I want the record to be good I don't want to tell him the record is whack I'm not No, I want you to tell me if it's whack. I mean, if it is whack, I'm going to tell you. Me, personally, I did not like the... Let me know. And them boys. I did not like

them standing on business with him and Snoop. Drewski? Yeah. Oh, man. You're going to have to work with Drewski and T.I.

Son King. Because King said he started standing on business. King a kid. Yeah. And Drewski a comedian. I don't know how serious Drewski was being.

I know. I'm in a whole different lane. Yeah, but you didn't like that record. I'm just, you tell me. I'm saying it was a good record. I shouldn't say that. Okay. But would you ride and listen to that?

I ain't even listen to it, to be honest with you. I didn't even listen to the record. And let's say something, because if it was you, some of you would have had, hey, man, you need to go listen to that record. Yeah. Damn, Drewski. Damn. Let's hear it.

How long is it? Standing on business. S.O.B. Standing on business. Standing on business. Standing on business. Yeah. Standing on business.

Standing on business. I hear a lot of Memphis influence. Yes. I feel like Dolphin. Yep. Moneybag Yo. It's a cool record. I ain't mad at it. Only part I don't like,

I don't like the autotune part. That's the only part I don't like. I like too much autotune. Just that one part when he goes, standing on business, when he sings it. Standing on business. That's my worst part.

He said, ain't no autotune. Yeah, that's the only part I really like. two yeah that's the only part i really said how did you hear that hey what standing on business standing on business he would have sounded better if he put auto yeah i don't do no auto cool record though this was just what need to be dropped right now because that's what's going on. But this is by far not my best line of work. These next six songs I got are real. They the real deal. I got this one song, Mental Health, with a kid named Code on there. It might win an award. Really?

Who sung on that? Oh, when I was standing on business in the beginning the sample because you know the sample but who's saying that that wasn't uh i sampled that and got from uh that was that was another person that wasn't nina simone no that was no it was did I have? I like a little white boy. Don't remember if you ain't cleared yet. No, I already cleared it. Okay. It's coming out here. It better be cleared.

It better be cleared. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Fuck his boy name. You can't think of it as cool, but I like his voice. That's what I... That's what started to tell me when Envy first played it before you walked in here.

I liked it. Yeah. And you said you got a song about mental health. I'm glad because a lot of times, man, when former football players or football players discuss their mental health, people don't want to talk about their mental health. They just want to chalk it up to CTE.

Oh, no, bro. Mental health is big. Some people do stuff just to get clout or try to take something and run with it for a foundation or something like that. Menal Health is big. I'm telling you, I fucking talked to, we had this conversation last time.

I've been to McLean Hospital for months. I talk to a shrink every other day. I do group therapy. I have an outlet guy, Sully, that I talk to probably out of a day.

Probably talk to this dude four or five times. Like, I ain't going to say he saved my life, but he's a big part of why my mental is where it is right now because i deal with a lot of stuff like bipolar discretion disorder add but where i'm at now like having the outlets to talk about stuff and making sure i know what my triggers are. That's the biggest thing. Like some people can get depressed or get in a funk and don't realize, like, damn, this is the same pattern. And I think I've done a good job of knowing what my problems are. And every now and then it'll flake off because I am hot tempered.

That's what happened at the airport last year? What happened at the airport was I couldn't really talk about it at the time, but the person that I got into it with, whatever the person was, tried to act like they didn't know who I was. And I really didn't say nothing to them, But I did call him a piece of shit. That's insane. It depends on Pac-Man. But if it be anybody else, bro, they wouldn't have said nothing, bro.

Just because... He was fucking with you because you was Pac-Man Jones. Yeah. It was about a seat plug. My charger was... So I had bought two seats. So I asked the dude... Whatever he or she was. I was like like yo yeah i was like yo can i

move my seat because i'm headed to monday night and i need this ipad to work which okay everybody like oh why are you so mad about the seat i wasn't really mad at all um he took it and ran with it i was like all right whatever then bro. Whatever you're going to do. So he was like, well, we're going to turn the plane around if you can't wait until you get up. Bro, I need the charger. So if you've got to turn the plane around, let's go. I said, I bought two seats. I bought two seats because I don't want to be bothered, first of all.

Second of all, I really do need this iPad. And I got kind of heated and said a couple words that I maybe regret saying to the police, not the guy on the plane. You was cursing the police out?

Yeah, I cursed them out. They tried to say you was drunk. Wasn't drunk at all. As you see, I ended up pleading to a disordered conduct. That's right. $240. And terroristic threats they said.

I didn't. On 9-11, bro. On 9-11? It was 9-11. Damn. When did that shit happen? 9-11. When this happened,

this was 9-11. I was headed to New York to do the, uh... Money in the Chippewa game. Yeah. Giants or Jets? 9-11. Jets game.

Damn. Bro, come on. Wow. How are you going to tell me you're just going to give me this early cunt up? It was like six charges they tried to throw at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. So every time you fly, you buy two seats so you ain't got to deal with people? Yeah. Normally.

Definitely. Now I fly a lot private. I got some good people around me that really loves me. I did pretty decent with saving a little bit of money. You know what I mean? But, yeah, I'm always flying. I hate sitting by people because you never know. Like, anything, like, if I don't have nobody right there to vouch for me,

it's your word against mine. Yeah. And these days, everybody want to ming or try to figure out a way to get some money. Yeah. Well, you have a place on like no fly list?

Like they ain't never tell you? Never. How does that work? No. Okay. Yeah. So what do you do when you got to deal with people?

Do you do like breathing exercises beforehand or do you call your counselor person and let them know what's about to happen so they tell you how to kind of maneuver through the situation? Well, I'm good with with people like i'm really good with people if anybody

that knows me they're like bro he'll give you the shirt off his back now if you're on the other side of that fence it's gonna be a whole different conversation um i just try to be treat people how i want to be treated and now with the the iPhones and being up on the microscope with Pat, I'm like, you have to be over nice to people because you don't know what they're motivated for. That's right. You was just talking about that. That's right.

The other day we was going somewhere, and what the hell was we going? We was going to Key West. And the dude playing that we was flying on, won't I won't say his name but the first thing he did once we get off the plane was how was this interaction with you he was actually just the stewardess this really on the plane like I was in actually yeah like nice play like 13 people on this plane and he asked the his stewardess I was in the only reason i knew this because coming back on the way back she's like i want to tell you something she's like man i want to

thank you for being so nice people um people miscrew you because of whatever the past is but you know he came and asked me how was my relationship i I mean, how was our encounters with each other on this flight? Really? And, like, that opened up my eye. Like, damn. So, you know, walking in Kroger. I could be super nice. If I'm going to Kroger, even just get some drinks. If I'm going to McDonald's, I could be super nice because I got a lot of stuff that I'm realizing.

If I want to make this B or this hundred million in front of my name that I'm representing. Like, I got to be nice. Like, I've came to the conclusion now, like, all right, I've had my fun of beating folks' ass. I'm tired of whipping people's ass. I've done everything I want to do. And I represent a brand that's a little bit bigger than my brand.

You get what I'm saying? And, of course, I always represent myself first. But at a point, you'd be like, damn. Like, it's hard to go places without security. Like, you want to be as normal as you can be. But I ain't know such a thing as being normal when it comes to certain things if you want to carry yourself. You know, it's interesting.

With all the negative press you get, like they don't talk about the positive things you do. Like you raising your former teammate Chris Henry's kids after he passed away. How's that been going? It's going good. Man, Bubba. So let me tell you. So, man, when he first got to Cincinnati, nobody knew who he was.

They knew he was Chris Henry's son. Two and a half years, number one player in the country. Wow. Number one player in his grade level in the country two and a half years ago. Now he's the number one player in the country as a sophomore. Saini had, which is the oldest, she had no offers. I think she had one or two she's going ohio state um baby boy he's still getting his feet wet hey guys i'm kate max you might know me from my popular online series the running interview show where i run with celebrities

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Modern day, which is the number one school in the country. If you know sports, I think I've done enough with them. Like, they've outgrown Cincinnati. I think I've done enough with them. They've outgrown Cincinnati. Now it's time to go and see what the money looking like on the other side of the fence. I hate to start talking about money, but that's where we're at right now with high school sports. My daughter is going to Mississippi State for a ride. Big money she got.

She's running track. Shout out to Zaniah. Then I got Trini and Juniei which are the two young dogs my youngest daughter 13 just great absolute dog she does track in soccer and then little Juni he's the future fuck he run eight miles on the treadmill right now at six years old he probably he ran nationals last year, but he was five, running six and seven.

So this year, he'll probably win it this year. Wow. You're doing a phenomenal job. What made you want to take in Chris's kids? Like, what was y'all relationship like that you said,

man, I got to do this for my guy? Well, me and Doogie was best friends, bro. That was, that was, every morning,

I'm pushing his ass because he was a little bit, I've always been the first up. Like, we can go out all night. We got to be at practice at 630. I'm sitting there in the weight room at 530 waiting on everybody like this with the medicine ball. So, I pushed him every day, and we pushed each other.

And that was probably one of the best things that could have happened for me at that time with me and him going to school with each other because Chris, he was a dog. Slim was a dog. He was underrated coming into college because of all the stuff because he didn't pass SAT at the time. But he was top five players coming out of New Orleans. And me and Doogie, bro, we was together all three years. I told him, I'm like, bro, I'm getting out of new orleans and um me and doogie bro we was together all three years i told him i

like bro i'm standing i'm getting out of here in three to this day he owe me fifty thousand dollars because we had to bet who was gonna go first but um yeah man um i was just trying to do my part at the time when i did it kids wasn't getting no recognition. I'm like, damn, these kids are fucking 6'6", you know. And I would always send them box loads, clothes, whatever they wanted, like, three, four times a year.

And, man, this man's so tough. And I was like, yo, you need to bring them to Cincinnati. Let's reclass them so they can get with the kids that's in their grade. And let's push them. Let's do this for three, four years and see how good we can do this.

And, bro, it pushed everybody around them, everybody in the household like i i truly truly truly am so honored to have to have that task is what i'm saying like because that's a lot bro like fucking eight people in the house absolutely croaker bill go from two thousand a month to a thousand a week you go out to eat eat at Jeff Rubies. It used to be 500. It's 1,500. You're buying Christmas. It used to be, oh, 5,000. Man, 20,000. Man.

And, like, I've never, and when I did it, bro, my intention was to get zero out of it. And still my intention. That's why I've done the things that i've done for them to let them blossom not as in for us hey let's keep these kids right here and try to milk the cow and it's a lot of that shit going around of course it's a lot of that going around but like um i i think i've blossomed. I've trimmed them. What do we say?

I've trimmed them really well. It's time for them to blossom now. Talk to him every day. He's good, though. And he's making really good paper. What do you think about, let's talk about some sports. What do you think about Russell Wilson going to the Steelers? Who?

Russell Wilson went to the Steelers. Shit, Berg! Oh, I forget. God damn it. You might not want to ask me shit about them. Jesus Christ, man. You can't give an objective take. Alright. That's Jet's favorite team, by the way, too. Well, let me tell you this, baby.

The AFC have just got harder. Did you know that? No. You didn't? No. Do you know. Did you know that? No. You didn't? No. Do you know where Derrick Ham go? No.

Baltimore? No. And she's from Baltimore. She's not a Ravens fan. That's crazy. Shit, bro. They're going to be the worst team in the division. Hey.

Who are they going to beat? They ain't going to beat Cleveland. They ain't going to beat Cincinnati. Ravens? It's funny, though. Y'all got a funny situation. What do you think? What are you going to do with Kenny Baker? I'm out of this.

This is about you. I'm just asking. She don't know that much. She don't know that much. What do you think? I don't think anything. Her son helps out with that. Yeah, my son helps me out with sports. And he's 11, by the way.

If Russell Wilson goes to Pittsburgh and stinks it up, what does that do for his legacy? Well, it depends on how you look at Russell's legacy. You got to realize, Russell was good in Seattle when he had the best defense. That Leisure Dome defense was probably second or third best defense of all time, I would say.

I love Russ as a person. I love him. Let me say this. I have no problem with him as a person. Russ have a couple flaws. And the flaws are he like to hold the ball to him. If you play

coverage, you're going to get to him. You're going to get to him. That's all I'm going to say. Russ have a lot of good weapons around him. Marshawn Lynch was one of the best running backs of all time. So you got guys like that that's taking the whole load off of you.

So you think he was more of a system player? Yeah. Russ is an Andy Dalton. Okay. Everybody knows that. Not saying that he's a bad player. Yeah. Him, Baker Mayfield.

I'm just saying like, it's only like a handful of guys where you'd be like, God damn. And that's Tom Brady. Boy, Aaron Rodgers. Matt Stafford can fucking flat out throw the ball.

Jared Goff can throw the ball. It's just certain tools that he got that fly, but I'm saying that can sit on the opposite hash and throw the ball, he can do that. Joe Burrow, he can do that. Mahomes? Mahomes, he can do that. Mahomes? Mahomes, he's by far a king. Him and Aaron Rodgers, to me, have

the best arm that I've seen in person. Jay Cutler could throw it to when he was out there, but it's effortless with doing it. What do you think about two things? One, what the Giants did, getting rid of trading,

or I should say not signing Saquon and letting him go to Philly. What was your thoughts on that? I didn't think Saquon would end up in Philly. That's first and foremost. But Saquon is – he's our mainest. Like, we haven't really had a chance to see him do too much. Like, we haven't seen him play for a whole season now one time. Do I think he's a really good back? Yeah, I do.

Really good back. But I haven't seen the dialogue to say he's top, top, top, top. He good back, though. And Cam Newton. Cam Newton talks about he can get back in the league. He thinks he has enough to be a starting quarterback in in the league you know he talks about there's not it's not all those quarterbacks not better than him cam is my brother what's your thoughts cam is my brother first and foremost but cam ain't playing no fucking football he's not better than the starting quarterbacks

that are playing right now. That's just my opinion. I don't think he's – He could be a backup, Dorian. Was he better than them? Yes, he was. Right now today, as far as being a starter, 17 weeks, nah. He could be a backup, but not backup. Cam don't want to be no backup, man.

That's bullshit. You know Cam don't want to be no backup. That's my boy, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to be no backup man that's bullshit you know can't don't want to be no backup that's my boy bro yeah I can't even imagine him sitting behind Baker Mayfield and being okay with you think you're not better than nobody right now how many teams in the league as far as starting but 16 17 weeks yeah you think there's 20 quarterbacks better than Cam in the league right now think about how he hands himself in that fight. I already have money tied up in him. Because you got to realize, if you draft it, you got to play.

Getting paid, you got to pay. Let's look at the teams that need quarterbacks right now. Giants. Giants. Definitely need a quarterback. Y'all are probably going to draft one, huh? I think so.

I don't know. They gave Daniel Jones so much money. Like you said, they gave him so much money. That was a bad choice. Patriots. Who got the first overall pick? Chicago. Falcons.

Well, Falcons just got Kirk. Vikings. All those. uh chicago falcons well falcons just got kurt uh vikings all those like you think of those teams they're stillers still still he could go start right now for this i'm sorry i forgot cam right now is better than uh russell wilson i'll Cam over Russ, and I'll take him over Kenny. Damn. So he would have probably been a better fit

for Pittsburgh. Bro, they had Rudolph. Rudolph came back and played. He got booed out of the stadium before that. They was changing his name. You think he better than Justin Fields field who yeah you mean if justin leaves chicago he could play in chicago no i said uh pittsburgh i know he better than pittsburgh but you said chicago too

though yeah i think fields is a good quarterback but he haven't been in the right situation i ain't gonna say he better than fields not right now justin fields is a good quarterback, but he haven't been in the right situation. I ain't gonna say he better than Fields. Not right now. Justin Fields is a good quarterback. I just don't think he even had a shot. Like, they don't put him in the right situation. Like, if you look at it, it's no play action. It's

a shit show if you ask me in Chicago. Damn. And you think Derrick Henry takes Baltimore back to the Super Bowl? Yes, I do. Do they win it? I think someone in the AFC is going to win it. AFC is packed over here, bro.

Just think about it on this side. You got Chiefs, Bengals, Baltimore, the Texans. What's over there? I think if the Jets would have been healthy with Aaron Rodgers, I think that would have been a totally different situation right there.

Then you just go to the other side. It ain't like this side. You got San Francisco, and then you go, all right, it's a lot of other decent teams. Philly. I think Baltimore can be an elite team. That's the SEC. No, I'm bugging.

But Philly, my Cowboys. Ooh. I love Jerry. Cowboys might win it this year because of Mike Zimmer. That's the only reason why I would say that. Shout out to Mike Zimmer. That used to be my coordinator. Mike Zimmer is going to hold everybody up to being accountable.

Okay. So I like Cowboys. Tell us all the men that ain't about to buy us. I say Super Bowl every year, so it don't matter. One year, I'm going to be right. You know, I want to ask you, you did 15 seasons in the league, right? Yeah. Do you think because you were so open about, you know, your issues with, your

mental health issues, that people gave you a lot of grace? So, like, when you did get in trouble off the field, it was like, no, we know what the issue is? No, we never, they never gave, they never really gave me grace. Like, I never had nobody call me and say man I understand what you're going through

wow man I'm praying for you I hope this goes never? never like not as far as my mental you know what I mean you know what I mean I was the best at what I fucking did that's why I kept getting chance after chance after chance

after chance after chance after chance of the chance of the chance of the chance of the chance and i was always like no you you won't even find probably not one general manager one coach nobody i ever played with that would say anything bad about me as far as playing football and when i leave that motherfucking, they might like, hey, now, we got to wait. We hope we make it back.

But like, I've always been the top at what I'm doing. As far as football, it's my job. But like, nah, man,

like, Deion might be the, been the only one that like, and I'm talking about back in 08, 07, that would call me and be like, hey, man, praying for you. You're going to get through this.

Y'all suspended. Hey, you're working out. This too shall pass. But besides him, nah. And people knew what you was going through, right? Well, you got to realize, yeah, back then it was so protected yeah it's like oh seven oh eight i don't even think we was as open about no no not at all we just now getting open about our issues and stuff with 2010 i would say 11 um so no because that was frowned upon of going to a mental hospital to to check

on yourself right you know i mean talking to people you know that wasn't as as open as it is is is now for the black community i should say white community and everybody else they've been talking about they probably you know i mean It's like another exercise for them. For our community, we're just now talking about it. And then you realize some people use this shit for other things instead of really telling people what you're going through or what you've been through, I should say. A lot of it is all about this and everybody trying to make a dollar

instead of trying to help somebody. People don't, yeah, I give you, they're not really doing the work. Right. Yeah, they're doing it because sometimes it's trendy. Yeah, trendy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, your record comes out this Friday, standing on business. That Drewski diss record is going to be so hard.

Are you stupid? You got a diss record ready for when Drewski diss record is going to be so hard. Are you stupid? You got a diss record ready for when Drewski come at you with one? I'm really good at this. So if Drewski come with me at this track,

I will have a respond in an hour. Dang. Okay. And when I say I'm good at this, I'm pretty good. Would you consider a remix? With somebody

you got somebody to chew it. He did a remix with Shaq I'm doing this No not on SOB You got Shaq on SOB SOB baby Oh shit okay How you and Shaq

Get such a good relationship? Cause you know He was going through the airport And I had to You know what I mean Defend him You had to defend Shaq? Yeah

You ain't had no security with him? Nah I was in security Was it somebody Trying to fight him? Yeah Shaq You playing Who somebody trying to fight him? Yeah. Shaq? Shaq, you playing? Who going to try to fight Shaq?

He is playing. I'm telling y'all, when I knocked the dude out in the airport, he was trying to fight Shaq. Man, stop playing, Pac-Man. Now you got to make me Google now. I don't remember. There ain't nobody. I ain't never heard that one now. Yes.

Yeah, Pac. Go ahead. It says, what? You knocked out a man for Shaq. I ain't never heard that one. Who the hell would try to fight Shaq? Who would fight Shaq? What the hell?

No. Oh. He playing. Shaq said it himself. What? You said it? Who going to fight Shaq, though? Damn.

You got to be a... A dumbass? Like, what? Coked up or messed up or something? Airport employee picks fight with Pac-Man Jones, causes Pac-Man to drop his Popeyes, tries to attack Pac-Man, gets KO'd,

gets arrested by police for attempting to assault Pac-Man and then gets fired. Oh, my God. You dropped your chicken, too? That's what you get about? You dropped your chicken got your chicken jack said i can tell this story now real pac-man 24 was really sticking up for me when he had that altercation at the airport you said that on pat mcafee show last year damn so what happened the employee was talking shit to shack yeah i told him hold on big dog got him hmm he was a big guy little big boy now he was about c566 oh wow pac-man just made me get below right right

right but why would shaq don't even bother nobody attention hello yeah you didn't say goodbye you just hung up on his bang so you and shack wasn't even cool like that man shack been cool okay being like a big brother to me since i first first gotten gotten a lead. We got a mutual acquaintance that introduced us. Shout out to Money Mark. And yeah. Okay. I got a lot of big friends

that I just don't be named for. So y'all in the airport. What was dude saying to Shaq? He was just talking shit. Like, I'm like, hold on, bro. Hold on.

Right. He probably seen you, didn't know who you was just thought you was Shaq Lou man little barn with a little Popeye's bag never dropped the chicken bag though oh you didn't drop it so that wasn't true they said you dropped the bag Shaq didn't try to stop you or he didn't know you was going to actually

no he didn't know I was actually going to do't know you was going to actually nah he didn't know I was actually going to do it but it was too late then because he was he was already on the ground he actually was trying to go get on the plane and they was like

nah we can't let you on the plane so I had to go back and get the chicken back and finish my due diligence to this guy that was messing with Shaq you went back

to beat him up some more I just smacked him two times with that yeah and what did Shaq get you for that? Cause Shaq is known for being a very generous person I know he do something your way

Brother not say Okay Was it money or just a gift? Brother not say The way you smiled And rubbed your hands though You look like you gonna be okay for a long time. I love this.

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