The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Andrew Schulz Talks 'Life' Comedy Special, IVF Experience, Cancel Culture, Trump, KDot + More

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

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It's not early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ N.Fia. Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy, we are The Breakfast Club. Lauren LaRosa is here and we got a special guest in the building.

Hezekiah Walker. Hello everybody. Andrew Schells, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome. How's it going? How you feeling? I feel good, man. You know, it's crazy.

I was talking to Charlamagne about you yesterday. I was like, we've been doing the Breakfast Club so long, we've got a real opportunity to see different people grow. And you were one of them. I was like, I remember Andrew's show starting off and the fact I seen a couple of months ago that you sold out the garden a couple times and you had your dad with you. Light work. Yeah, I was like, so how does that feel, that growth?

We actually seen the grind. So people can't just say, it so how does that feel, that girlfriend? We actually seen the grind. So people can't just say, it was overnight because he's white. No, we actually seen the grind. It was a while. I remember the first time I came on the Breakfast Club, I think Charlamagne walked out within five minutes. I had to go somewhere. Why?

I was so excited. I was like, hey, man, can I come on the show? He was like, yo, I got you, bro. He comes and he starts the show. He goes, I got my man's show to you. All right, I'll take it away. And then and he starts to show you. I got my man, Schultz here. All right, y'all, take it away. And then he just left. But it was still a great interview.

You do that a lot. You do that a lot. You guys do that a lot. Even with this one, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to talk. But I'm like, I'm more interested to hear what Lauren and Emmy. Exactly. That's my guy.

I told you this every week. I was telling my friend, I was like, he was like, well, that's Charlamagne, homie. I said, I promise you, he going to be like, I'm not going to talk. I want to hear what y'all have to say. Because I talked. I know what he thinks about things. I'm not gonna talk. I wanna hear what y'all have to say. Because I know what he thinks about things.

We talk every week. Yes, I'm more interested to hear what y'all think. He's gonna chime in, you'll see. Yeah, I'm gonna, yeah. Once it gets a little spicy, once it gets a little spicy, he'll be in there. So I wanna talk about- Man, you had all of us thinking

that that poor girl's family died. The Portia Williams. Oh. Ooh. I was terrifying, bro. He's looking at this note. Oh, oh, yes, yes. Williams. I was terrified. He's looking at this note, and then I see her looking at the note, and then I'm like, damn, somebody died, and the only damn thing is, is she gonna stop the interview?

You know what I mean? There's this moment where you're like, does she care so much about fame? She's like, well they're already dead, they ain't gonna be born. He wasn't a deaf. He wasn't a deaf. She started to get teary-eyed, and the way she looked at her sister, I thought somebody died too, and I'm like, Well, they're already dead ain't gonna be more In the way she looked at her sister, I thought somebody died too and I'm like, yeah shit all I was thinking is we are getting exclusive

But see that's the TMZ brain So bad, I love sorry for sure not gonna win over every good I said I know Charlamagne even though he's an asshole if that would happen he would have stopped the interview be like hey I need you to go outside. I know him for that. I would play like that. I know yeah I know it would have been some type of joke. I just don't know how far he was gonna go You know, it's funny when shorts walk this shows looked at that couch and he was gonna go. You know what's funny when Shultz walked in, Shultz looked at that couch and he was like, yo, that's the whole couch Big Dick sat on. I didn't know the section. He said Big Dick made it look smaller. Is the couch legendary now?

Now the couch is the couch. I mean, I remember we were on Brilliant Idiots when we first saw that and, yo, oh my God. And I don't know, Charlamagne said, why is she calling a lift? She should, you know, she, yeah, yeah. Why did she call a forklift? Why did she call a forklift? And, uh. Did you say, how did she call a forklift? Why didn't she call a forklift? And then you said, how did she lift a fork enough?

And then she came on, it was really funny, like I was watching the episode and she's quite endearing. She has this like really, really endearing voice. But when you guys moved the couch up and I walked in, I was like, oh, that's the famous couch. And I didn't know that there are three pieces. Recessional. Only one part. So I thought you rolled the whole semicircle out. Oh, you know, we pulled the whole thing up?

Yeah, and I was like, she filled that thing out. There's no way she's making it to a Honda Civic. Like, there's no way. She said she could get in a PT Cruiser. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Well, God bless her.

I wanted to know, you know, with this day and age with comedy, right? We recently seen Damon Wayne said he's not going back on the road because they will cancel you for everything. But you are somebody that don't give a F what you say, what people think, and why is that? Yeah, I don't know.

That's a good, I don't know why I don't really care. But I think that the days of canceling are done. I think it's changed. I think the pendulum is swung, and I think people kind of have a sense of humor now or they feel like less effective in their ability to cancel. I think you don't care because you do what could have been a Hail Mary

or it could have been a well coordinated play. It turned out to be a well coordinated play. Because when Hollywood, there was a period and I remember this vividly. One time Andrew comes in the studio and Andrew was saying how his agent told him that Hollywood does not want white, straight male. No, they tried to gay me.

White, straight male, so they wanted you to gay me. They gayed you? Yeah, they gayed me, man. So how many times they're every day with me? They gayed me. They wanted you to try dating men? Oh, they treated you? No, they gayed me and they made my character gay.

Oh. Oh. On a film. Yeah, I had booked, it was crazy. I had my character gay. Oh. I have film. Yeah, I have books. Yeah, it was great. I have book as rule. They do that to white men too? You say what? Go ahead.

They do it to, what do you mean? Because you know it's always been that thing of like that happens to black men and that's how you like get the dresses and all that. I say, oh they do that to white men too? Yeah, but that's just like the lowest hanging fruit. I don't think the dress shit is about being gay. I just think that like it's white people writing scripts

that like don't have any friends that aren't white, so then when they see black people, they see masculinity, right? Like, this is their like, what is it, unconscious like bias, right? So they see black dudes like, oh, that's the most masculine thing. So like, what's the funniest thing,

to see the most masculine thing in a dress? Like, to see the rock in a dress is funny. You know, so I think that's really, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger, I think they did it to him too. Because you just see this big buff guy in a dress. But yeah, I remember the guy who, I remember the guy who, it was his show,

he put me in the show, Paul Reiser, remember Paul Reiser? He, I mean he was making a million dollars an episode on his show on sitcom back in the day. He'll remember the fuck I'm talking about. He was like one of the biggest sitcom stars, he was making a million dollars an episode on his show on sitcom back in the day. You don't remember the fuck I'm talking about. He was like one of the biggest sitcom stars. He was a great guy. And we were doing the show, I think it ended up on Hulu, and he called me and was like, listen, man,

you know, there's a lot of white people on the show that took place in the 70s. It was about the Johnny Carson show. He's like, two weeks before he started filming, he's like, hey, man, we gotta make your character gay. And I was like, what do you mean by that? He's like, DEI. You ask how gay?

This is before, this is before, damn. Yeah, so I was like, how gay? And he's, I was like, why do we have to make it gay? He's like, it's just a lot of white people on the show, so we gotta find a way to mix it up. They made one guy crippled, that was the most hilarious thing. That's DEI too, though. I know, but it was like, they they couldn't make us all gay. So like one guy gotta be the group. So, so they made it. That was so cute.

We're here, guys. That was so cute. I love that. See, he's letting y'all ask questions. So, so yeah, so they made it, it was crazy. Like I had to change one of the script. It was two, one of the guys, it got too gay. They wanted you to kiss somebody.

Wait, what? You mean two gay? They wanted me to get gang bangs. Dang him. No, like they, they had, so they, so they had like, there's one script, I got it on the day. They're like, yeah, it'd be really funny if you were like walking into this room,

there's three guys behind you. And I was like, man, let me tell you what's not gonna happen. All right? Y'all taking this DEI shit too far. I want you to get with the train. And it was like in the 70s or like, it was like AIDS. You know what I mean? Like, there was no protection for that shit.

Like and now we got three different guys following me into a bedroom. So that was in the script? That was in the script and I was like I ain't doing that shit. I was like I don't think my guy would do that. So what did you do? There's a scene where apparently now like my hands are on the wall. Okay. And then like.

That was the Johnny Carlin Show? That was the Johnny Carlin Show. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but nothing. I don't do anything but the audience is gay for thinking about it. Okay. And then like. That was the Johnny Carson show? That was the Johnny Carson show. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but nothing, I don't do anything, but the audience is gay for thinking about it. Y'all are gay, not me.

I just had my hands on the wall. But then all I was simply saying was there was a point where Andrew was like, look, I'm gonna go out on my own terms. You know what I'm saying? So if everybody's going this way, I'm gonna make the kind of comedy I wanna make. And if it works, it works.

If it doesn't, it doesn't, but it ended up working. I did, I did, my thing was, I saw a lot of people kinda watering down their shit for what the TV networks were putting on, and I got empathy for the people that work at the networks, too, like you see, you got a kid who's in private school, you wanna build a pool at your house or whatever, you're not trying to lose your job

because I wanna make some crazy joke. So, but it fell watered down and I didn't want to change the comedy, so I was like, where can I put out the comedy? And honestly, like, having the pod with Charlemagne and we're putting out, like, brilliant idiot stuff and we're saying crazy jokes and, like, people really seem to like it.

And I was like, I think there's an appetite for this shit online. I saw your guy's success, like, just seeing your guy's show kill it on YouTube, it just kind of reminded me, like, people are consuming stuff on YouTube, they're consuming high quality content, long form, yo, what if we just started putting stand-up out there?

And I think knowing that there was this place for it made me feel way more confident. I didn't really care if it was like on a network, I just wanted to do the comedy I wanted to do. And then it worked, man, it was crazy. But you ended up, that was risky because you was giving away your bread and butter though. Because you're giving up parts of your stand-up special.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. But at the same time as like, I was writing so much back then, because I had to go back to the same markets every single year. I had to go back to Albany every single year. So I didn't want to do the same jokes from last year. Right.

You know, like people, like that's something like early on, I was like, I'm not gonna waste people's money. You know, every tour I was like, people work hard, they gotta get a babysitter, like they got, it's a whole night, it's dinner, it's expensive to come out to a show. So I was like, this gotta be the best show that they see.

At least we gotta attempt to make it. So I would have a new set, and then what was I doing for the old set, and I put that shit out there, and like the jokes would start to go over, and I was saying some wild shit, I ain't gonna lie. And you pissed a lot of people off you ever got threatened yeah like you're dizzy but you would have a lot of people are always thinking about when he said that when you hear that name what comes out like what do you

think I love how much you guys have a brace white boy fun. It makes me so happy like You guys are the black pioneers of white boy fun, like I feel and you know what you know And the way he goes too far like, you know, white boy fun is no I'm please just like straight guys making gay jokes with each other Yeah, that is very white exactly. Yeah Yeah, yeah. So like, we just call that gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We call white boy fun because it's not gay if it's two straight guys doing it.

OK. But once there's a gay guy involved, then it becomes gay. No. So the white boy fun I experienced at my last job, there would be a gay guy involved. And it still was just, whoo, this is great. This is fun.

That's gay? Yeah, but that's what they said in the office. But when they left, they were like, yo, they're gay for doing that shit. I'm just telling you. Yeah, yeah. It what they said in the office. But when they left, they were like, yo, they're gay for doing that shit. I'm just telling you. Yeah, yeah. It was my first time seeing it. I was like, wow.

And you didn't know what to think, right? No. Yeah, yeah. So this is classic when white dudes hang out. It's all gay jokes. OK. And Mexican, shout out to Mexican. Mexican got good gay jokes.

Oh, Mexican definitely got good gay jokes. Remember on training day when a dude was like, you ever had your shit pushed in? Oh, yeah, that seemed like a rape though. I don't know if he was joking about that. That didn't seem like a gay joke. That seemed like a rape joke. I just didn't understand why he wanted that.

Why wouldn't you want him to go get an enema, bro? Yeah, you want to clean that out. You know what I mean? So, okay, so- Mexican gay jokes? No, they've embraced them. You never seen one eat the corn the long way? I like that corn.

Can you please not like that corn. Can you please not ruin that corn for me? That's my favorite part. So usually you eat on the side, man, but you ever seen a dude eat the corn the long way? That's crazy. I gotta finish my shot. You crazy.

What I was asking, have you got threatened to a point where you was like, I gotta chill out? Because you go with anybody anyhow. Yeah, I got punched on stage. I used to get beer bottles thrown at me. Can you fight? Nah, I mean.

You got hands? You box? Yeah, I used to box. I wasn't like, but I'm not like, trying to fight everybody tough guy at all. Like box and do pilates. Yeah, there you go. That's better. It's so white. Yeah, yeah. If we're organized and we're in a ring, I'll probably fuck you up. If we're on the street and shit, I'm like, I don't really want to go do a lot. But yeah, I used to go through that kind of stuff

all the time, but I just wasn't really funny enough back then. That's the way, you know, like you have the ideas, you just don't got the skills to execute it. It's not silly enough yet. And then eventually I think you could develop the skills and then you could say even wilder jokes, but in a way where people find it kind of funny and silly.

Now that's something I never heard you say. I never heard you say you didn't feel like he was funny enough back then. Yeah, cause how do you even love a bet? As I look back, as I look back, like, you know, like there was, I had funny jokes, but I also just didn't have the skill to execute some other ones.

So it would just be, I'd just say some wild shit and I'm like, yeah, this is funny. And then, you know, sometimes the jokes would work and then sometimes they just really wouldn't work. But I feel like now I'm getting close to a point where even if somebody hates the topic I'm talking about, I can make it funny enough where they could laugh at it. You talked about the censorship era being good for comedy

because it set certain boundaries, like what not to say or whatever. Oh yeah, we got to be naughty. Yeah, but so having those boundaries and then you're looking back at your old tape, you weren't as funny so you had to develop. So you have, there's a whole system behind you of like you sit and watch your highlight tapes

and you use all of that to come. I also think censorship, like in a weird way, I don't believe in censorship, but the fact that it exists makes you have to be sharper. Mm. You know? Like, if you could, we're in the era of you could say anything right now,

and Commie will probably get a little bit more like absurdist and irreverent. Because you could say anything, so there's nothing that's like too edgy. Does that make sense? So now comedy usually gets like a little like weird and out there. You know, like remember Zach Galifianakis, remember him? Yeah, two firms. Oh my God! I used to love him! No, Zach's great. That type of comedy where it's not like here's a political take,

but it's more like he's a character and it's a little weird That type type of comedy gets popular when you could say anything and then when you know Censorship comes back. Usually the guys like a Chris Rock, you know I mean just these like historic figures. That's why I think well crafted just that's why the life special is actually special because because well-crafted jokes have to make a comeback now, because we live in a world where everybody just says any old, wild shit. But what's the joke?

How are you packaging it? I agree. You know what I mean? Yes, yeah, and people will give you that liberty. Like, if it's good, if the joke is good, they'll let you rock with it, even if they don't like the topic or even the opinion. They're like, okay, I know what you were trying to say.

Also, the life one is just so, it's so personal and it's so vulnerable. I think I get a little leeway with the other shit. I had to watch, sorry to cut you off. I had to watch it twice. I'm not even gonna hold you. No, I'm not even gonna celebrate it. Okay, so the first time I watched it,

maybe because it was so personal, I was like, okay, where's the, like I wasn't laughing at everything. I was like, yeah, but it was because I was trying to follow the story, and I'm like, wait, like, little kid, you, like that was, that had to be tough for you. And then I went back again and I watched it

and it was funny, and I was like, oh, okay. But I'm like, I don't know why I had, I've never had to do that. Ever with anybody. Well, listen, the fact that you watch it twice, I mean, that to me is great, and you know, whatever you get out of it, that's awesome. Did you feel a little bit retarded

that you didn't get it the first time? It wasn't that I didn't get it. I think when I, cause that was my first time ever seeing you do stand up. And I've heard so much about you. I think I instantly just thought I was gonna be like, oh my God. But I was like, no way.

He, y'all couldn't have a baby. There's all this stuff that was there. I think my empathy for you came in and I didn't have a baby. Yeah, there's all this stuff that was there I think I might my empathy for you came in. Yeah, I didn't find it funny Yeah, and then the second time the empathy was removed and I'm like, oh he's funny. Yeah Yeah, I didn't get it, but I've never I brought that up because I'm wondering like is there is that on purpose? Well, there's a there's an interesting thing that like so the beginning of the special I say we had the baby specifically for that reason, is that I felt like the audience would be too concerned

to destroy it. So, if you paid attention to the beginning, you might have felt better. Well, I did hear that in the beginning, and I watched you on Brilliant Idiots, so I know you had the baby, but I think it just, it felt so heavy because you don't necessarily hear men, and you talked about this in the special.

Like men talking about, okay, we couldn't have the baby because it was my fault. You know what I mean? And I'm like, he's laughing and joking, but as a man, I can't, that probably, it probably still strokes your ego a little bit when you talk about it. Honestly, no, it's weird.

At first, I dealt with it, right? So my sperm doesn't swim. That's the issue that I talk in there. I heard the joke that Taylor dropped too on Brutality. Taylor killed me, she said, yeah, because I beat her in a race and then I was saying something to her and she was like, yeah, run faster than your sperm. It was bad. I remember that.

And nobody knew it, we knew it at the time when he was dealing with it. But the people online didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yes, I remember that too, but go ahead. Damn. That's a tough room over there. Oh, no, it was brutal. But the joke was fantastic.

Like, you got to keep it in. So yeah, so it's like when I thought it was my wife's fault, which is what every guy thinks that's going through fertility shit, is I felt uncomfortable talking about on stage. Because that's like her very deep personal business. And a lot of women feel incredibly insecure, right, about that, right?

It makes them feel less of a woman, etc. Once I found out it was my fault, I remember the doctor said, I was like, what's the deal? The doctor was like, your sperm swims like a druisky in a riptide. Damn. They said you were a C. C plus. Which I feel like he just said the plus so I could feel better about myself. Which was nice of him, but immediately after that I start going

What the fuck is wrong with me? Like why you know like does God not want me to have kids? Like it's like you have like this really weird like week and Then once we decide to go through the I actually want to like beat the system I was like nah I think I could do it anyway like I got like really competitive and then Every time that we would try my and it didn't work my wife would like cry and I felt like it was really selfish If we just didn't go through this other process

Second we went with the other process. I felt really comfortable talking about it on stage Like actually once I found out was me I felt comfortable talking about it on stage. Like actually, once I found out it was me, I felt comfortable talking about it on stage. Because it wasn't like my wife's issue and I'm like exposing her like deep dark secret. And when I started talking about it on stage, man the amount of people that would like come up to me and send me these DMs, like these beautiful things about like what they're going through and eventually IVF and like eventually having kids and like you really get to see how I think we talked so much about how people are trying to like avoid kids,

or they're upset that they got a girl pregnant, and there's like all this like negativity around kids. When you talk to IVF couples, you are talking to the people that face the reality they might never bring life into this world, and then by the grace of God, we're able to see this thing that they've cherished, and then by the grace of God, we're able to see this thing that they've cherished

and maybe we're trying to make for years. So you have the most gratitude for your child. Right? How much of a blessing it is. Oh my God, so it's like you see the way that people react and how emotional they get about their children, and it's like you get this beautiful, and then the people who had kids,

and it was kind of easy for them, they'll send me these messages about like the gratitude they have for their kid and they didn't realize it. It was kind of lucky for them. So yeah, it was a really cool thing that I did not expect. I thought I was going to be the only one going through this shit, dead ass. It's a tight-knit community. Most people don't necessarily realize, because I got six kids, so the first four, bang them

out. We were trying to have the fifth one and we couldn't get pregnant. So we tried IVF. Oh really? Yeah. We tried IVF. Paid for it because the insurance didn't cover it. It was expensive as a mother, F-er. To the point where when we had the powerhouse concerts up here, I would have to give my wife the shot cause you have to give her a shot at a certain time. And you got to make it. It's like a cocktail.

It's like at home they're giving you syringes. So in the middle of the concert, I'm in the back doing the shot, this, that, and the other, and it still didn't work. So we was like, F it. We took it as, well, maybe, God said, four is enough. Yep. But at least you had four.

Imagine the one that had zero. But as soon as you got one. It happened. It happened, naturally, which was the craziest thing ever. Sometimes it's the stress. I know it's the dumbest thing. And you guys probably, I mean, you know about this just because of all the mental health stuff you do,

but the way that your brain can play tricks on your body, that you put so much pressure on having a kid, and your body reacts negatively like that. There's a lot of people who try IVF, it works, and then the next kid they have naturally. And it's just, your body goes, all right, it's kid time. Like, now you're not so stressed, you got one. And that might be it.

You guys went, all right, you know, if we're supposed to have four, that's what we're supposed to have. So no more, forget it, it's kid time. Now you're not so stressed, you got one. And that might be it. You guys went, all right, you know, if we're supposed to have four, that's what we're supposed to have. Said no more, forget it, don't worry about it. And then you stop trying and immediately. Bang, two more. Two more. Yo, women that don't have kids,

imagine how they would feel if they knew how many abortions certain women got. Bro, when I was going through this, I was like, I don't even understand who gets abortions. Yeah. Like, it was so hard for us to get pregnant, I didn't even know that it was about like my sperm or her eggs.

I was like, who's getting an abortion? Like, how is this possible? Once I knew, yeah, I saw it. But yeah, it's a deep, yeah. I'm glad you spoke about it because so many people are dealing with it. Like we talk about it in a book that when you do it, so many people hit you. You'd be surprised and shocked. It's the last taboo thing and people feel so insecure about it because you don't want

your partner to be embarrassed. So like if, I'm telling you it was easier if it was me. If it was my wife's ovaries, I don't think I'd ever talk about it. Because it could be humiliating for women. For dudes, yeah it's humiliating for me but like as a comedian I think I'm a little, like I find the joy in that humiliation. Funny in anything. Yeah it's just, it's easy for me to deal with.

And but I'll tell you after talking about it and seeing all the other people going through it, it's like, yeah, that's why, honestly, when we had Trump on, there was like three things that I wanted to ask him, and one of them I wanted him to say publicly that he would protect IVF. So let's talk about that. How did you meet Trump? How did y'all get, like, how were y'all together? They reached out.

They reached out, and they were like, do you want to have him on? And we were like, yeah, we want to do it in the studio. out and they were like, uh, do you want to have them on and we're like Yeah, we want to do in the studio and then They were like, ah, we can't do it in the studio. Like, you know, Charmin knows it's like it's a guarantee the assassination It's like windows everywhere I don't even know why we were trying Like you walk right out the elevator. It's windows everywhere. It's bad, but uh, but Right, like I hope that doesn's bad. But, right?

I hope that doesn't happen. But you know, so, but we were really pushing for that. And then when we did the pod, yeah, I like spoke to his kid for a while before. And I spoke to Dana White. Which one? Junior, Donald Junior. And I was like, yeah, just tell me some stories. And like, I just kinda wanted to say again.

The party, you talked about the party. Oh yeah, so he told me about that one. He told me yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's a part I didn't say on the interview But uh, cuz I said he just went up to the roof and kicked everybody out But like what Junior told me is he was in his underwear. So like just imagine and People who haven't seen the interview Schultz in the group they talk about Donald Trump Jr. had a huge party.

Crazy party, yeah. And then they had to throw everybody out because Trump found out about the party. Well, yeah, he wasn't supposed to be back. Yeah, he wasn't supposed to be back. It was kind of like something on a movie. Dad comes home, but he never mentions it. So Trump Jr. is like, it's almost like it didn't happen.

Exactly. But we didn't know he was in his underwear. So that party got real crazy. Yeah, that was the first time he addressed it in 40 years or something like that. He never addressed it didn't happen. But we didn't know he was in his underwear. So that party got real crazy. Yeah, that was the first time he addressed it in like 40 years or something like that. He never addressed it with his kid. You know, there's a guy in this room, a young black male, who said,

he watched Trump on Flager and he goes, yo, he goes, that Flager interview's gonna get Trump elected. That guy that you're talking about, he's been maggot for a while. Mm. No, I'm not gonna hold up. I just wanna let y'all know. He's not gonna hold you up.

He was waiting for that moment. I felt the same way. That was the first time I looked at him as a person. I was like, why am I? I was like, oh my God, he's a granddad. He cares about his kids. Ugh. But it was like, y'all made him,

he was having a good time. The goal. So it's Joseph's fault, baby. Yeah, it's my fault. Yeah, it's your fault. Well, that and the commercial where another young black guy in this room did a commercial that Trump used and played over. I met the guy who made that commercial.

And over again. You met him? Yeah. What'd he say? Yeah, he was like, hey thanks, Charles man really helped us out. I mean that commercial was unbelievable. So it's awful. It's awful.

World series. Jesus Christ. It would be really crazy that the election was decided in this room right now. Like, we don't even get enough credit. But do you get that response from people that are like, yo, y'all humanized somebody that, like, we low key. Even when he got shot, I felt like people were like, oh, we don't want that to happen.

But. So what I'd say to people, and I have, like, a way more humble take than I think most, is like, I don't think that we had any impact on the election. I don't think that to happen, but. So what I'd say to people, and I have like a way more humble take than I think most, is like I don't think that we had any impact on the election. I don't think that any of the podcasts, like I think that America, I think what America had decided

is a lot of America weren't voting for Trump. They were rejecting the current administration. They just didn't like what was happening, and I think the way that the current administration was campaigning, they're basically kind of saying, hey, everything's good, we're gonna kind of keep doing this. I think a lot of Americans were like, I don't really feel like it's good,

so I'm gonna go for anything but this. But I think the idea of Trump is always, he's a populist, so if you vote for him, it means you love him and you're obsessed with him and you're mad until you die. Where I think a lot of it is really just rejection. In the same way that when people voted for Biden, they didn't really vote for Biden. They voted against the chaos of Trump and the chaos of the world at that time. Yes, it was COVID.

It was George Floyd. But also we talk about this. America had his mind made up for two years that they were voting for Trump. We knew that like it's not like we knew that were saying that. We were saying Biden needed to step down because we knew Biden wasn't gonna win in November. It wasn't until the vice president, you know, became the nominee that it was like, okay, well maybe there is another option, but everybody knew.

It's not. So what do you think about everything that Trump's doing now? Well, what specifically? There's a whole lot. I mean, there's so many orders. You loved the law from Mexico. Oh, I love that.

I saw that on Joe Rogan, right? I think it was Megyn Kelly. Oh, okay. But yeah, I love the Gulf of America. I mean, it's North America, Central America, South America. Why we call it the Gulf of Mexico? It should feel like the Gulf of America. It's not the Gulf of North America.

Mm-hmm. It's just the Gulf of America. But again, what I like is just like, I like saying audacious shit. I'm an American, like Americans in general, like in our DNA, we're like, we like risk takers and we like people who are brave. And I think that's like the tricky thing for Democrats right now.

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So my fiance and I have been together for 10 years. In the first two years of being together, I find out he is cheating on me, not only with women, but also with men. What should I do? Okay, where do I start? That's not love. He doesn't love you enough,

because if he loved you, he'd be faithful. It's going to be an exciting year and I hope that you can join me. Listen to Cheekies and Chill Season 4 as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm like a lifelong Democrat. I grew up in an arts family. Both my parents were dance teachers. Like I live in New York City my whole life. So what I need is some energy on the Democratic side. We talk about this all the time,

is I need some like shit talk. I need some bodacious shit talk. And I think the thing that really Americans care about right now is that things are expensive. And I think Democrats need their build the wall. And whatever that is, it has to tap into what people are struggling with right now. So if it's- They first have to build the team. And whatever that is, it has to tap into what people are struggling with right now. So if it's-

They first have to build the team. Well, exactly. But yo, it could just be one outsider. Like, I think it's dollar eggs. Like, eggs are a dollar. I think you just start saying shit like that. It doesn't matter if you don't know how to do it, but you start saying something

that's gonna resonate with people. And that's the only way. And I think that if they make it a class issue, they win this election pretty easily come the next election. But they're afraid to do that because a lot of them are in the pockets of the billionaire class in the corporations So they make it about identity politics They it's all these people that go to like Harvard and Yale that like pretend to give a fuck about you guys They don't actually give a fuck about you guys But they get patted on the back for pretending to do it and now they're in this situation where the rest of America is like

I can't afford eggs So I can't really care about the bathroom. Like I don't give a fuck about who goes in the bathroom because I need to buy eggs. Until I can buy eggs I don't worry about the bathroom. So you got to start addressing people where their problems are. And you know it's proven that point when you look at like Gavin Newsom on his podcast with Charlie Kirk right? He wants it so bad bro that motherfucker's thirsty.

Exactly but you see how quick he is to distance himself from trans athletes and stuff like that. So now it's like, oh, so you never cared. No, they never cared. You never gave a fuck. It was just all about politics for you. Yes. It's all about that for all politicians, though. Absolutely.

But some people show it better than others. Some people act like they care better than others. Yeah, you need to learn how to lie better. And I don't think Democrats are gonna win so easily in 2028. I think that America, I think because the Democrats are in such disarray, America will say, you know what,

just give me a sensible Republican. Just give me a traditional conservative. Give me a Nikki Haley, just somebody just a regular conservative, I can deal with that. I think that's what's gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, that could definitely happen. There just has to be something like radical

and disruptive on the Democrat side. And I think that they're all so concerned, they're playing this like prevent defense. And they're really concerned about like ostracizing a group. Like if I say this, will women be upset? If I say this, will black people be upset? If I say this, will trans be upset? And it's actually like a harder position to be in

to be a Democrat. You're the party of progress. You have to push it forward. And you gotta please everybody. And you gotta please everybody. Which is impossible. Conservatives are actually trying to pull shit back. And you got to please everybody. And you got to please everybody. Which is impossible. Conservatives are actually trying to pull shit back. It's a way easier position to be in to be like,

all right, we went too far forward. But I think what Democrats need to do is just start listening to everyday working class people. I don't like, I think Democrats are too stuck in the Ivy League. It's there's too much like pretentious finger wagon. That's not what everyday Americans are. And you need to get the working class back immediately. And you're not gonna get that back

when you just got a bunch of these like super rich nepo babies telling poor people how they should think and who they should vote for. Like I don't want you to tell me, if you never had a job, you can't tell me who I should vote for. Simple as that. You like Javin and Crockett though.

I love that girl. But like that's the type of language that I wanna start, I want people to start using. Like when she said, you like that's the type of language that I want to start I want I want people to start using like when she said poot. Yeah, you're Putin's ho. Mm-hmm I don't care. I don't agree with that sentiment actually every sound bite from her that night But I like that I like the energy because what people like about Trump despite him being like a billionaire who got money from his dad, right? He doesn't talk like them. He talks like me and you. The Indian journalist is asking him a question,

dibble dabble, dibble dabble, and then all of a sudden, dibble dabble, dibble dabble, and then he goes, I don't know what the hell that guy just said. That, to me, is the most relatable thing I've ever seen in my entire life. I go, yeah, that's what I would've said, that's what he would've said, that's what you would've said if we were just hanging around on the corner talking

So you like Trump because you don't feel like it's political. He's just himself I'm not saying I don't saying the reason why I like him I'm saying the reason why people relate to him despite him being a billionaire because that's the thing Democrats don't seem to understand They're like they say that we're in the pockets of the rich, but there's a rich guy right there Why do they relate to him is I do see how he talks to people He called Shorty Pocahontas in the middle of the fucking Senate hearing. Yo, and you know what? She's sitting right there.

It's been normalized so much that that wasn't even a headline. Nobody's listening. Nobody. They're like, oh, that's his oldest. She got to sit there and take it. Pocahontas over here pointing at her. Man, nobody cared.

Talking about Elizabeth Warren. Wasn't even a headline. Nobody gave a damn. Bro, he's making fun of African nations. He's like, we gave $40 million to Lesotho. Nobody knows what that is. That's hilarious. Especially being that I didn't know what it was.

Neither did I. Was that a real nation? Oh, when they was running down the stuff at the city. I thought that that was all jokes. That was real. That's what I'm saying. Yo, they would have slapped him. He would have said Wakanda.

I swear. Yo, you think? I can't believe it. Yo, I'm not even on a have said five billion to Wakanda, that's the mineral contract we need. I need that vibranium. I want to ask too because you talk about walking the line.

You walk a dope line because you have white fan base and black fan base. Is that difficult for you? I got, the way I see it, I got the most Your jokes go everywhere with it. I got the most diverse audience in comedy. It's not even close.

Like it's just like you come to my show, it looks like the UN. So it's like, it's like to me it's, my experience in my life, I'm a pretty curious guy. So like if I find out something about your culture, where you're from, whatever, I like talking about it and I'm gonna make jokes about it just because that's my way of communicating the world.

What I found is, is like when you make fun of people based on things that they're proud of or they haven't realized about themselves, they don't feel offended, they feel kind of seen, they feel noticed, and they appreciate it. So all these different groups will start coming out to shows, you know, and I was like, oh, this is really fucking cool.

And whenever it comes out to the show, we all kind of submit to this idea, like everybody's gonna be made fun Of we all gonna laugh at each other. We're gonna laugh at ourselves, and it's a cool little beautiful thing So to me it's never been like like black people found out about me before white people Like I'm doing brilliance with him like guy code to be honest black people were on way before white people I'm eventually towards the end seasons of guy code I think it like just crossed over but early early on, MTV2 was more like hip hop related.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I think it was the Rogan. Rogan, I think white people started to find me. And then like, you know, Indians found me. Obviously I do the pop with Akash, but also some standard clips that would go viral out there. Albanians would be, and we've seen me from some clip and like all these different groups would come out.

And yeah, it's my favorite thing of looking out in the audience. But I used to go to comedy clubs when I was on tour and the owners would be like, because it would be all black people for the weekend. And they would think I was like Gary Owen or something like that. They were like, what the fuck is going on?

Gary never called you like, man, what's the secret, man? Like, is there a secret? How do you get white people to fuck with you? I got black people, dad. How do you get white people to fuck with you? I got black people, dad. How do I get white people? What about, because you say when people, you make people feel good because they feel seen, but what about in the moments where you're making people,

like, things that they, people don't want to be seen for, you're bringing that up and they're upset. Like, I know Black One was really upset at you for a second. Yeah, but I would say that they're upset for like a joke that I tried to make on the pod Mm-hmm and like the problem with the pod. I mean, I love pod. Don't get me wrong. It's like it's not really jokes It's just like mounds of clay a joke on stage is like a statue

You know, you like molded it carved it like you can't work out on a pot Yeah, but you can but it's gonna be bad It's prop and like so like what I always say to people is like, first of all, if like, I'm making a joke, I'm like teasing you about something, right? And you go to me, hey, that kind of makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm never gonna tease you again, because I don't want you to be uncomfortable. Really? About that thing.

Tell Charlamagne you all comfortable about this wig. I don't care about no- That's not cheese, lion. That's not a wig. I didn't believe so. It's not a wig. What you saying, Joe? What you say? That's not this wig. I don't care about that. That's not cheap lying. That's not a wig. I didn't believe so. It's not from the scout. What you saying? That's not a wig.

What you saying? That's not a wig. You trying to win the black woman back, huh? What? Period. That's her real hair. Get out of here. From the scout, baby.

Oh my God. That is beautiful. Period. What you looking at over there? Yeah, what are you looking at over there? I'm not looking at nothing. Thank you. That you bought.

Okay. All right. All right. So what I'm saying is like I would never like, if I have a joke where I'm just like teasing you for an hour and you're like, hey, that actually makes me feel uncomfortable. My goal is not to make you feel uncomfortable, so I'll never tease you about that again. That doesn't mean I won't tease other people about that, but to you specifically I won't. So if there's somebody at a comedy show and they're upset about something, here's a perfect example. Girl at a comedy show, I was saying some joke about some topic, I forget exactly what it is. She gets up and starts to walk out, right? This is a little comedy club, and I'm like, I'm like, where you going? And she's like, I just uh, just gotta step out. I go, why? And she's like, oh, I just, I don't want to, I don't want to make it about me.

I go, man, what's the deal? She goes, oh, it's just like the topic. And some of the people in the audience started to like boo her for being like, like offended or whatever. And I go, you know, don't boo her. She's doing what we all wish an audience member would do. She's going, Hey, I feel uncomfortable. I don't want to affect everybody else's time here. I don't want to make this show about me. I'm just going to step out. And I'm like, wow, like you're're just the most emotionally intelligent person in the room right there. I don't ever wanna make her feel uncomfortable. So one on one, I'm not gonna do that.

But I'm not gonna stop joking around about a whole idea just because it makes one person uncomfortable. I used to watch, go to Paul Mooney shows. Oh my God. And people would walk out of Paul Mooney shows all the time, and it was all white people. They would always leave, they was offended, like I'm leaving. And they wouldn't make people. They would always leave. They was offended.

Like, I'm leaving. And they wouldn't make no noise about it. They would just get up and leave. And Paul would be like, oh, why are you leaving? Ah, it's not for me. Yeah. I mean, yeah. That's the perfect thing.

If it's not for you, it's not for you, be out. Exactly. But there might be someone who finds it funny. So that's the tricky thing, where it's like one individual shouldn't decide what everybody finds funny. But in terms of the thing you were talking about, yeah, if black women are upset at that thing that I said, yeah, you're totally allowed to be upset.

There's this rule that a lot of comics say, people aren't allowed to be offended. You're allowed to feel however you wanna feel, especially if you don't know me. If you know me, you know my intentions. You're like, you know I'm just trying to bust balls and make a fucking stupid joke. And maybe the joke wasn't that funny,

but my intentions are always good. If you don't know me and you just see it, you're like, oh,, I'm just trying to bust balls and like make a fucking stupid joke. And maybe the joke wasn't that funny, but like my intentions are always good. If you don't know me and you just see it, you're like, oh, who the fuck is this asshole? So I'm not even upset at your response. That was my first take, and then we talked about it in the room, like me and Sharla, because my first take was like, well, who is he to even, like, you're welcome, we're welcoming you here.

Yeah, 100%. But I will say, I mean, but just in our world of like black women and what we deal with as friends, tropes, But I will say. Well it was my pod, but yeah. I mean, but just in our world of like black women and what we deal with as far as tropes, but I will say, after watching the special and after having conversations with Charlotte, I'm like, I mean a joke is a joke is a joke. Like, granted, some people are still gonna be upset.

They're probably be upset that I just said that, but it depends on the person. And you can't win. You gotta figure out what line you gonna tread. I also think those two dudes from the thing, like they're in a tricky situation because they, I think they had said that they didn't find women in Atlanta attractive, and I think a lot of black women

in Atlanta were like, oh shit, are you trying to say you don't like black women, right? Don't get me started on that. They came out and apologized down, okay? They gave like five renditions of an apology, and they can still stay where they at. But I think it's, you have to learn. You see through the bullshit. You know think it's, you have to learn.

You see through the bullshit. You know some sellouts when you see them, so it's not like, so they're trying to position it. They try to put it on me and some people fell for the bait. Ryan Clark fell for the bait and made a whole clout moment out of it when he didn't even realize the thing you should be addressing is the two clowns that are basically saying black women are ugly

and then laughing at the joke on the other podcast. So it's like, that's the issue, not the comedian making a joke about a hypothetical situation. Well, we can move on after this. I will argue that all of you guys were a part of the problem in that moment. But I think, again, it's to each his own.

I didn't like, though, that they threw it one way and didn't take accountability for the fact that, like, y'all were actively engaged. And it's fine if you wanted to do that. But he threw it all on Schultz? Oh, they were like, we should've, we should, we were uncomfortable. We just didn't want to say anything in the moment.

We were just trying to get through it. And it's like, y'all were victims. Y'all were laughing, stop it. Y'all were not victims. Y'all were actively engaged. Yeah, shut up. Y'all were actively engaged, and y'all were having a good time.

Yeah, I never saw it. This guy's crazy. Nah, they're not uncomfortable. The only time they're uncomfortable is around beautiful black women. Obviously. time. Yeah. I never saw it. This guy's crazy. No, they're not uncomfortable. The only time they're uncomfortable is around beautiful black women. Obviously. Jesus. Damn.

But she works in Atlanta, that's what we're talking about. That is a good question. How has podcasting changed the way you approach, I guess, comedy and after these couple of recent situations, the situation I saw, but how has it approached how you discuss things now? Do you care? Yo, um, your care is like an interesting one.

Like I guess I could deal with people not liking me because these things a lot of times are momentarily. Like they'll not like you for a few weeks and they think they won't like you and then they'll move on to somebody else that they don't like, et cetera. So that's not really like the big, big issue. You know, it's just, it is one of those things where I go like,

all right, if I'm shooting and it's on something like, if it's on something really wild, I wanna make sure that I could, ideally that shot is amazing. But I'm gonna fail. You don't make funny jokes every single time. And I like shooting. That means I'm gonna shoot and miss a lot.

But I just gotta basically understand that there are gonna be people that don't know me and however they interpret me, I can't control that. There are people that think I'm some right wing MAGA lunatic. And I literally, as much as I would want them to be like, bro, you've never had a conversation with me. You don't know anything about my life. You're just a lunatic I'm just a lunatic

Exactly. So it's like you can't control how people how people feel about you and you just have to continue at least in my opinion Just put out good art and when I have the opportunity to put out like a good piece of art Like hopefully the special does that like hopefully you see the most distilled version We were talking about this yesterday like, you know when he puts out a good piece of art. Hopefully the special does that. Hopefully you see the most distilled version. We were talking about this yesterday. When he puts out a book, it's the most distilled version of his thoughts, and there's less fat for you to interpret in a shitty way. When I'm on a pod just shooting the shit,

there's tons of fat for you to interpret. When you see the special, I feel like you get a really distilled version of how I think and how I feel. If you get offended by something that's special, I could really live with that because I've worked hard to make it pierce through even the sharpest armor, or the most protective armor. And I do get that.

I do also wanna ask, do you still want to make love to Kendrick Lamar? I mean, honestly, it's hard to say no to that. You find him attractive? Yeah, man. Did you see him in them Celine jeans? When I saw those jeans, I was like, boom bop, beam bop, boom bop bow.

You gotta stop. Stop. Cut it out. Stop. I didn't even ask him that. Stop. For real. They were really upset about that. I know it was a joke, but why do you think people got so upset about that? People made that shit racism so fast. I'm just saying he's little like I hate having to explain jokes. He's itty-bitty

So why is he telling he's gonna kill my telling people to kill my friends? The biggest thing about this whole shit that nobody I don't even care that he said this shit about like me not saying jokes Like that to me is like a million people who said not say jokes The next line where he goes, and to the N words, the coon, and the N words being groomed, slide on both of them. What does slide mean to y'all?

Take you out, but that's because I mean- Hold on, ain't no explaining here. If you were enemy, you were enemy. If you say kill my friends, everything after that is fine. You took it there. If you say kill my friends, because a lot of people thought that was Charlamagne and Alex Media

So if you go the next line you tell your fans to kill my friends You can't made love to listen. I appreciate my friend trying to stick up for me, but I don't think you Know I mean like I didn't say anything for weeks. That was the other thing. Like, people ran with these different narratives. They tried to act like, after what I said, I was worried about getting death threats and shit. It's like, no, I was getting that the second they said it. For two weeks, I didn't say shit. I filmed my special.

I didn't really give a fuck. And then after that, I was like, yo, we're gonna have some fun with this. But I don't like this idea that like, I'm this big bully. It's like, you told your people to kill my friends. After you say that, or that's the potential interpretation, if somebody said in a rap song to kill your friends.

But do you understand though that that was in response to him feeling like you came at what he would deem his friends or his people or people he's trying to protect talking about black women, right? So say make fun of my friends. But if you in the street, if you outside, you outside, you can't choose whether you out or in. It's like you out or you in. Okay, so then if he wants to play by those rules, then don't be surprised at the response. That's what I'm saying. It feels like he's inside or and outside.

Plus it's a weird matchup, right? Because you got a rapper, right, who's a prolific rapper, and then you got a comedian who's willing to say anything for the joke. So it's not even, it's like, what are we doing here, guys? I think it's because it's platforming. It's like people listen to you and your voice and your podcast, that's why that stuff went so viral, because you got the numbers and then he has it too.

So at the moment he's like, okay. How we know you wasn't talking about Gary Owens? That's the other thing. That's a good point. There ain't nobody to. We don't know. That's a good point. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't know. That's a good point.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't know. You all know about the twist. Gary, Gary, Gary. Gary was the first person to jump out. I'm not about to twist that. Gary was the first person to jump out. In that moment, we knew exactly what he was talking about, because I heard it and I knew

exactly what he was talking about. I didn't think it was me. I was like, why are you talking about me? Because of the shits and giggles and all the laughs and the heat he had on the black women. I thought he was talking about Matt Wright. Yeah, maybe he was talking about Matt. I didn't know. I didn't know too. And everybody kept saying he was talking about me, and I, maybe he was talking about Matt. I didn't know. He gotta be talking about Matt Wright.

And everybody kept saying he was talking about me. And I was like, wait, if he's talking about me and he's telling people to kill my friends, well, I gotta do something about that. I gotta do something. I gotta do something. Like, I'm not a tough guy. I'm a certified lover boy. Oh my God.

But you're always going to be perceived as the bully because you're a white man. Is that right? Yeah, 100%. I just thought it was because I'm- Is that right? Like, I thought you mean is that right? No, what you mean? No, like, am I a bully?

Like, I just thought it was like a- No, I don't think you a bully at all. I thought it was a size differential. That's what I thought it was. No, it's a- You think there's a racial dynamic? Duh. Yeah, I guess.

I didn't know. Yeah, of course. And it's the privilege conversation. It's like what you can get on a plane. Like, the shits and giggles guys, you know, they're like, oh, I'm a bully. I'm I guess, I didn't know. Yeah, of course. And it's the privilege conversation. It's like what you can get on the, like the shits and giggles guys, they had to apologize 60 times.

You know what, you said something that's not as interesting. You said it's the privilege conversation. You know we all can say whatever it is we wanna say. You just gotta be able to deal with the consequences. That's the thing. No matter if you're black, white, Asian, whatever. Most people can't. Exactly, and most people don't have the platform

and they're not Teflon Don like you, they don't have 15 years of game, they not picked up by Fox News and CNN and Shade Room like you. Other people, right? Talk that shit. Period. Talk that shit.

Talk that shit. Everybody listen, when he is a political tape, everybody's listening. He know that, he just wanna hear it. Fox got a guy with glasses and a bow tie listening to every brilliant of his podcast, waiting for Charlamagne to say one bad thing about the Democrats.

I honestly don't even think about stuff like that. But it's the truth though, because you have a platform that a lot of other people don't have. Kendrick Lamar has a platform, so he's like, all right, you gonna get outside, you gonna laugh, joke, hee hee ha ha, I'm outside for my women, for the black women.

And listen, Kendrick, because Kendrick does what he wants to ha. I'm outside for my women, for the black women. Oh, listen. And listen, Kendrick, cause Kendrick does what he wants to do and he gets rewarded for it. Yeah, like. And you can do that. This whole thing got blown out of proportion. Like, honestly, I think he's like, obviously a prolific rapper.

He's, you know, it's not my thing that I listen to all the time, but like, to say he's not like fantastic at what he does is ridiculous. And I have a lot of respect for anybody that puts something out for judgment. I think there are a lot of people who like, they just make reaction content.

So they don't really know what it's like to like create a piece of art and put it out there in the world and let the world judge it. They have to deal with it. That takes balls. And I admire people that have balls. Balls.

So how do you feel about Trump's trans executive orders? What'd he do? His executive orders, he got rid of trans. He got rid of trans what? Women. They not around anymore? According to him, he said it's too genderless. Just man and woman. But that is, that is, yeah.

That is how it is though. I see it. Isn't that how it is? Every day the sun don't shine but the sun still come up. Well here's the thing, I think there are trans people. No there are, but Trump doesn't recognize him. Yeah, but that he's allowed to like you can't force me to recognize. He's allowed to not believe that. But that don't mean that is not true.

I was watching Squid Game. If they didn't have the numbers, I don't know if I'm recognizing. What you know, I mean, like if they didn't number them, I don't know if I'm recognizing everyone. What they got to do with Drake? I don't know, really. I don't really know what I'm saying right now. Listen, let me apologize before an Asian rapper comes for me.

Jen, I'm sorry, Jen. Jen, I apologize. Don't salute to Jen. Jen hits me up all the time. Shout out, Jen. Oh, I get what you mean by the numbers now. Oh my God. Don't ever watch comedy. Jen hits me up all the time. Shout out Jen. I get what you mean by the numbers now. Oh my God. Don't ever watch comedy.

I took her to watch just to laugh. Don't ever watch comedy. I took her to watch comedy. Don't ever watch comedy. She a little slow. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I'm gonna let her watch comedy.

No wait. My God. I get it, but wait, back to your special real quick. I get it, I get it, never wait. I was thinking, and I know you and your wife have been together for some years, so this is like a hypothetical question for us. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

Or more of an ego question. I love it, love it, love it. At any point when that was happening and you found have been together for some years, so this is like a hypothetical question for us. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Or more of an ego question. I love it, love it, love it. At any point when that was happening and you found out that it was your fault, because of just your pride and your ego being hurt, did y'all feel like, man, what if she leaves me because I can't make this happen? Yeah, there's a part of you that goes through that.

You're just like, will she not find me as masculine or not find me attractive? Will something primarily happen inside her where she'll reject me because I can't do the thing We're put here to do so you yeah, you immediately go through that and then like that insecurity takes over And then you're like more sensitive about certain things if she's not being sweet one day. You're like is that it You know did she just stop so this shit tears apart relationships That's why I tell people like if you find out there's a problem, do IVF immediately

instead of like going through the emotional turmoil that could break you guys up. But no, she's like, I mean this is like a little thing in the special nobody would really understand or even probably catch, but like the first joke I make in the special is about this, you know, about guys who say we're pregnant, and I was insulting to women. And then I say, yeah, it's like my wife, when my wife says that we made a lot of money, right? The last piece of the special is when my wife is saying,

you know, when she thought that she lost the baby, and I'm apologizing, I'm like, I'm so sorry that this is my fault and you got to bear the burden and she goes You don't have problems. We have problems. We'll do it together so it's this idea that like In this big in the beginning I'm having this really selfish thought of like I make the money in the house And then when she's dealing with the toughest thing she's ever dealt with in her life She's that's my fault. she's ever dealt with in her life,

she's, it's my fault, she's still taking on some of it. Because we're together. So it's, yeah, you find out who people are in these tough situations. That's a good woman. I got a good one. I have a good woman. I got a good woman.

What is your conversation like with 50? I know 50 is the GOAT. I know he loves you as a comedian. And I know you pull up for him, he pulls up for you. What's your conversation with him when all this is going on? Yo, I just, yeah, did I hit him up or he hit me up? We were trying to get him on the pod and he's like, yeah, I'm pulling up. But like, he's the type of person that like, he is, how do I explain it?

It's like, you know how like in wrestling, whether the people people are booing or cheering like as long as they're making a sound He's the bad guy. He's a heel. Yeah, you're not afraid of anything. There are people that are probably like Scared to do like credit Charlamagne to like Charlamagne could have easily been like hey the heat is on you and they're gonna be upset And me doing a pod with you every single week and he we always take a few weeks off But he's been there before so he he understands. And that's not how I rock with my friends. Exactly, he's loyal. Show stands by me, so I would not stand by him. Always, always, but that's just, this is like,

this is real ones. So he's the type of person also who like, he doesn't care what the trend is. So many people are like motivated and moved by the trend. And he's the type of person, he don't give a fuck what the trend is. And so if there's like negative energy, he don't give a fuck, if there's person, he don't give a fuck what the trend is. And so if there's like negative energy, he don't give a fuck. If there's positive, he don't

give a fuck. He moves to the beat of his own drum. But I remember Charlamagne said a dope thing to me when I was going through that last one and there was like people, there's even people in my community, like comedians, like saying some certain things about me. And Charlamagne was like, yo, this is actually good you're going through this right now. I go, why? He goes, because you're about to hit another level when the special comes out and you got to pay close attention to who's hating now. I go, what do you mean?

He goes, because whoever's hating now has been hating the whole time. Absolutely. But they didn't feel comfortable coming out. They were waiting for you to look wounded. It's like laws of the jungle. You know what I mean? The lion only attacks the baby gazelle.

Right. You know, and I took note, bro. I got notes and I can't wait for them to fail. That's right. The life is out right now on Netflix. The life is streaming right now on Netflix. Congratulations, it's number two, what is it? It's number two twice.

Maybe number two now. We can get to number one. Man, last night when I watched it, it was still, oh, but they said that show was good. Which one? I heard it was really good. I didn't watch it because I didn't want to mess your numbers up. I said I was gonna wait.

Thank you. But, yeah. No, I heard Running Point. Running Point is like, it's a global sensation. You know what I mean? It's a, and that's Kate Hudson and Chet Hanks, and salute to them. Like, shout out to Chet, man.

That motherfucker's so funny. And, but yeah, we still gotta knock them out. But yeah, it was cool, we beat Bobby De Niro's show. But we got, oh my God, Beauty and Black. This has gotta be your algorithm. No. Beauty and Black. Tyler Perry's Beauty and Black.

It's creepy, you know? What, Beauty and Black came back out? It's number two, now he's number three. Oh, fuck, man. No, no, no, you might be looking at the top 10. You gotta look at what- That's what I was looking at, that's what I was talking about at the top 10. You gotta look at what's trending, right? No, top 10 works too.

It's OK. We're going to have a big weekend. We still up there. That's the major thing. Well, go out there and watch it. Watch number two is great. I'm happy. Go out there and watch it this week,

and I'm going to check it out this week, and me and the wife are going to relax and watch it this weekend. It's the only way to watch it, by the way. If you got a wife, you and your significant other got to watch it together. The fact that you guys went through it, I'm really curious your perspective on it.

But that's why we talk about it, that's why we make it our business to talk about it in the book and we're proud about it all the time because so many people came up to us and was like, yeah, we were dealing with the same thing, we felt like failures. And men came up to me on the side and was like, I thought it was just me,

I don't know how to console my wife, but I mean, once you get through that other side, you realize it makes you look at your child a whole lot different. Oh, dude. It's just like, it's the most precious thing in the world And if you're able to have a child, you know, you you hold that really really close to your heart. Yeah, man Well, thank you. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm that's awesome. You put in your book I hope we destigmatize it like I don't want people to feel ashamed of wanting to have a kid and you should have that shit

By any means necessary like I feel like that's the thing missing in the masculinity conversations All these fucking guys out there saying what it is to be a man none of them got kids You know you know the thing is feminist arc. Yeah, this is gonna be your family. I've been a feminist, bro I'm a proud girl dad. That's right. I told you having a girl was gonna change you. How is your baby girl? She's 13 months 13 months. Yeah, I've been trying to get you on a feminist shit for a while. I've been a feminist I know ever since you got depressed or whatever you got I've been a feminist. I know ever since you got depressed or whatever you got But I'm gonna be honest with you they've gone too far

I'm a my family. Sorry. You're your masculine. Sorry. You're back. You gotta bring her back. Just a little. You gotta bring her back. Just a little. You got to. You got to. You still scared? Of what? Of being a girl dead. Oh yeah, every day is terrifying. But it's also just like the most beautiful, rewarding thing ever. Like she just walks in the room, she's so excited,

gives me like the big hug and you're just like, ugh, this is, nothing else is important even in life. All right, well it's Andrew Shost, ladies and gentlemen. And don't be a stranger, just because little short five foot two midget over here. You do a podcast with him, you can still come up here. Okay, okay, okay,ultz ladies and gentlemen, it don't be a stranger just because a little short five foot two midget over here It does your podcast and we can still come up here. Okay. Okay. Okay. I come Thank you guys always man, this is legendary. It's Andrew Schultz. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning

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