The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Anita Kopacz Talks 'The 'Sinners,' Ryan Coogler, Sacred Trinity, ‘Daughter Of Three Waters’ Trilogy + More

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Anita Kopacz Talks 'The 'Sinners,' Ryan Coogler, Sacred Trinity, ‘Daughter Of Three Waters’ Trilogy. Listen For More!  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back. Thank you. I'm so happy to be back. Thank you so much for having me. How are you feeling? Yes. How's your energy this one? Amazing.

I feel so blessed to be in here. And I can tell you all are having fun, so I love to be in places where I know people love what they're doing. The wind on her tongue is your second release in the trilogy, right? Yes. But it's out in paperback now. It is. It is.

What is the difference between the paperback and the hardcover experience? So what I'm really excited about with the paperback. is that we have the results for the art contest. Right? That and then there was a couple of poems. And so those are in the paperback. And, you know, I was able to correct a few things that I had forgotten in here.

So that was great to have just a few, you know, more corrections in there. I love the world that you're building with the daughter of Three Waters, Three Waters trilogy. The first book was Shallow Waters. This is the wind on our tongue. Just explain to people what those two books are and what the trilogy is going to be.

Yes. So all of my books are about the Orishas, which I don't know if you all noticed, but last night or not last night, sorry. At the Oscars. At the Oscars that Michael B. Jordan, that he won for Best Actor and his, for his smoking stack, right? and they are created from the Ibeji, which are the Orisha. So he won an Oscar for playing an Orisha.

And it's the twin Orisha. Wow. The twin Orisha is the Ibeji. And so the Ibaji are actually in this book. I'm going to put this in. I'm getting old. I'm getting old. So let me just read this part.

The end note. of this book. So I say there are many different stories about Oya, but according to popular legend, after nine miscarriages and stillbirth, Oya made a sacrifice on a cloth with the color of the rainbow. She then gave birth to four sets of living twins and a ninth child. In Yorba myth, twins are called Ibeji, meaning born two times. The theme of the rainbow and Ibaji are closely linked to Oya. So we have Ibeji in here. I always

say that me and Ryan Cougler are like twin souls with our writing, if I do say so myself. But, you know, there's a lot of similarities in the works that we're putting out there. And you had sent me, you know,

the videos from Brazil, where they were doing those huge floats to the Aresias. And it's like this energy, like people are really black people are really remembering who we are and where our ancestors are from and our spirituality. And I think the more and more we connect to that, the more and more unstoppable we are.

I was going to say I'm just now, I'm looking at the cast and I'm looking at what you're talking about with the different energies and they have so like any. or Mary, who was the white woman who came in and started dating one of the brothers, played by Haley Seinfeld. She's Ocean. Like, it's literally everything we talked with you about before was literally the movie.

Like, the cast members all themselves, like, I've never made the comparison until you just said it. It says Key Orisha Connections and Sinners. Yeah, so Oshun was played by Mary. Oshun, I'm sorry. One Me, Musaku, who, who played Woonmi, who played Annie, she's Oya. Yes, this is a female warrior.

Yes, and she's the warrior, and she carries the, like. And has the miscarriage. Yes. Have you met her, Vancouver? I have not met him, not yet, so we've got to figure that out. Right. Wow. No, but I did, I don't, you don't know this, I finished the third book.

Okay. Oh, wow. And so it doesn't come out until next year, so there's still the process of editing and everything you got to do as an author, all the fun stuff. but the third one is about Oshun. So I just want to know what was, because I know you saw sinners obviously, right? The first time you saw it.

Ten times. Well, all ten times. What was your thoughts? Like, what? As soon as I saw it, I was like, first of all, with all of his films, I end up crying. I'm an emotional being. And so when I feel something deeply,

I'm just like crying. And my daughters are like, what? What are you crying about? And there were so many. things that were similar the fact that he brought in like the how the the Chinese people mixed in with the black people I have that within this as well and the the storyline of the woman being the witchy woman right that is all powerful in the spirit world I have that and so for me it just feels like, oh, I'm seeing someone speaking my language. And then there's something that awakens

that feels so familiar. And I feel like so many people are feeling that with sinners. And I love it. And I'm just, I'm excited for more and more and more people to read my books. What inspires you to write about African spiritual traditions through, through fiction? So you know what is interesting is that I feel like the spirits chose me. Like it didn't feel like I had a choice. It was like at the time, the first time I wrote my first book, Shallow Waters, I was the editor-in-chief of Heart and Soul magazine. So I was doing health and wellness for black people.

And this story just kept coming up. It was like this woman, which I didn't realize was Yemaya at first, was just sitting at the edge of my bed telling me this story. And I'm like, what is this? What is this? And for most of us, who are daughters and sons of the diaspora, I was taught that it was demonic, right? To even look into it or ask about it or figure, you know, read about it.

And so, but the more and more I did, the more it felt like home and the more it felt like I was with my ancestors. And I'm like, well, who told me this was demonic? Were you afraid of first? I was. Yeah. Yes. I mean, you know, like, yemiya, oya.

You know, they're intense, they're intense spirits. So I guess I would say I have respect. Yeah. I have respect. I know you spoke about it before. I was going to say, I know you spoke about it before, but what got you into that deep dive of viewing things? So it was actually Yemaya because my friend Lee, Thompson Young, who's passed away now.

Rest and peace. Yes, rest and peace. He was telling me about the Eurasias. And he told me that about Yemeya, that she watched over our souls as our ancestors went over the Middle Passage. And she was a black mermaid. And I was like, what? A black mermaid? Hold up.

What is this? And so he told me all these stories. He was a priest of Oshun. And I am not in the religion, but I think one of the things that's really beautiful for me about that is that I'm coming at it from a place of curiosity. and of, you know, research and, you know, like if I was raised in it, I think it would just feel more like normal. Like, oh, yeah, that's just what we do, you know? And so I guess it's that curiosity when he was telling me about, yeah, I was so excited about that. So when you tried to, when you published the book, how difficult was it at first to get a publisher?

We know Shalemann published it, but before that, was it very difficult telling somebody to story and having them understand? So I didn't really go on that journey yet, but it was, it was 2020 and all of the things were happening. And I was like, you know what, this is the time for the story. And so I was like, I don't know how to do it, but I'm going to self-publish. And as soon as I decided that, that's when Yadi, our amazing friend who is a part of the Goddess Wisdom Council with me, my sister and Cora. and basically Yadi was like, I went to the ocean or the shower, we still haven't figured it out,

some water, and I asked like Yama, yeah, like what, so she's the mother of us, all the mother of the ocean. And she was like, you know, like what should I need to do to be able to get this book out there?

And the answer was give it to Charleneen. At that time, he did not have. I didn't even have a book imprint. His imprint yet. Never even mentioned it to know what he. And so she was like, I need it. And she's, Yaddy can tell things. She's, she knows things.

And so she was like, can I send it to Charlemagne? I was like, sure, sure. Within two days, he was like, do not sign with anyone else. Like, I'm putting this out. I was sitting in the backyard. I read it on my laptop. It was COVID. We were moving around and nothing.

I'm just like, yo, this is amazing. This needs to be in the world. Like, you know, this just, you know, because it's like racism, it's colorism, but then it's magic. Like, it just felt very black. Yes. As an author, right, of these type of stories that people act like,

we have to shun away from, how did the success of centers and everything they did in the box office make you feel for, like, what your future is about to look like I was. Oh, it made me feel great. It was, it was, I felt almost the same way as I did when I saw, like, the things that you sent me in Brazil with these huge, amazing floats. If you all haven't seen that, see the floats of the Aresias from Brazil. And to me, it just,

just feels like, yes, people are opening up to it. We're seeing like what these, how deep these stories go. This religion survived underground for hundreds of years. Because if people practiced it in the open, they would be killed, they would be beaten, whatever it was. So it had to survive underground. And so the fact that it did and it's in us, like to me, to me, me, I feel like when people read my stories, it's a remembering. Because you can feel it in your bones. You can feel it in your bones. You're like, oh, wait, I know this story from somewhere, but where? Why do you think people are reconnecting with their ancestral spirituality? Oh, because it's time. I mean, those motherfuckers are

eating babies. You know, like, it's like, you see, oh my gosh, they're doing these spiritual, like, things to give them power. We know that We have our own. And I feel like that connection to me, I know as soon as that came out for me, as soon as I read the files, I looked at my altar and I was like, I need to dust that shit off. We have our own that's rooted in righteousness, though. That's right.

We're not eating babies. No, exactly. Yes, thank you for the clarification. No, it's rooted in righteousness in being a better person every day. How important is it to connect to your ancestors? Well, for me, it's non-negotiable. I mean, before I was even really interested in this, I always would like talk to my grandmother, grandfather, and Lee now on the other side.

But so many, to me, it feels like that's a part of us connecting to our wisdom because they're a part of us. And then, you know, there was this one time that I did ayahuasca in. Peru and my ancestors came to me and they basically told me that you are the living blood. You are the one that can exact change in this world right now. And because I think, you know, for me, I would look to them, like, venerate them, like, they're so much better than me, but they're like, you're the one that's in the world that can make the changes.

We can give you, you know, the suggestions. but you're there making the changes. How does one connect with their ancestors, right? You see how you were called. You didn't know what was happening at first, right? You said, you know, we've always, it's always been said that it was demonic or something like that. And it scared you for a while,

but once you really, like, just embraced it, you know, it was powerful. It was an impact that it had on you. How does one get there? Because I haven't done ayahuasca. I do shrooms. And that brings me enlightenment and clarity when I'm, you know, looking for certain answers

or when I feel like I'm stuck and in a place. But I also heard you have to be called to do an ayahuasca as well. That's not something that you just go have fun doing. Yes. And it's a whole thing. It's totally different from shrimps, you know, although I get clarity with that too. But how do you connect with your ancestors?

It's so easy. You have a picture of your grandma. Just look at her and talk to her like she's here. And to me, that's what I start. with the ones that I knew in life because then I feel like I can have that type of conversation and I'm getting all emotional because I'm thinking of our grandmothers

amazing, amazing women we call it Baba was our Polish grandmother and then Granny was our Ketitian grandmother and just talking to them like they're here and sometimes you know imagination is really important in your spirituality because sometimes you can feel like, oh, I'm imagining that I can hear them talking to me, but there's no way. Go with the imagination.

Now, I had an experience very similar to that when I shrewmed. And me and my, I have a little sister. She's 11 years younger than me. Yeah. And we were hugging. She was shrooming to. And we were hugging. And we were in my home, right?

But it was like we went through time when we were hugging. I was my mother. She was me. And then I was my grandmother and she was my mother. And then I was her and she was me. But she was telling me that it was okay. Like, I didn't know what it was. I wasn't afraid of it.

I just didn't know. I wanted to go back and I wanted to because I wanted to talk to my grandmother. I lost my grandmother at a very young age. I was her favorite. And she was mine too. And I just had so many things to ask her before she left. It's my mom's mom. And I was, I just, I wanted to get back to that moment, but I don't want to have to shroom to do it all the time because shroom's nasty.

My stomach was hurting and then you'd be high too long. But, but that one part, like I was really, really happy to, to have connected with her. But like I said, we were going through time, but I want to, I want to be able to do that without all that, like, being high. Like, I want to be able to do that. Well, the beautiful thing about that is that once, once you have done something, like, And some people don't need anything at all to connect with that, right? But once you have done shrooms or ayahuasca, you can connect to that part of yourself that has been in that place, whether it's through meditation or just, you know, allowing yourself

to move back into that space and really get back into that place. Because when you think about it, it's like your mind getting. getting out of the way. Yeah. And then you're moving through your heart or through your, it's more of an embodiment and then where is this journey taking you? Right. So that's, and I feel like it, that's a part of these books.

These books are like that. They're a journey. Like if you and when you read this, it is, it is a journey and you'll feel that. Um, speaking of Oshun for the, I'm not saying the name of the book, but the third one that's coming out on Black Privilege Publishing Yes, ma'am. Next year. So Oshun is the

Orisha of the sweet things in life of honey. And I brought gifts for you all from my sisters, Lomar Farm. So she's a beekeeper and honey. And so these are hand-pored candles that... Oh, my gosh, yes. You're going to be addicted. I'm sorry.

No, my wife loves those. Yes. She does. I already told her. I'm bringing her one. What does Oya represent in the wind on her tongue? So Oya represents transformation, power. For me, it was the energy of the quote unquote angry black woman and going deeper into that trope and seeing what is there. And as I did, it was like, oh, no, she's just so fucking powerful.

That's how people experience her. So I have the story of her coming into her power, so she's younger. And so you kind of see where the anger comes from, how she was treated. A lot of the characters within the book, Marie LeVoe, Mary Ellen Pleasant, they're all people. So those are historical figures, and they were demonized, women who were demonized. and they did amazing things in this world. And I was, you know, for me, I was like, how come I didn't learn about them in school?

And it's really, I mean, I think a big part was that they were Voodoon, priestesses, both of them, and, you know, Voodoon has been demonized. And these women, if you look up what Mary Ellen Pleasant, she, like, owned half of San Francisco, a black, woman started the Bank of California, which is Wells Fargo. Wow. And I mean, she was a beast.

And now she, I guess also was known as the civil rights leader of California. And it's like, how did I not learn about her? I'm glad you did that because, you know, like you said, all your struggles with controlling her power, right? But it is meant to symbolize what black women struggle with in everyday life. And the thing I always, you know, tell black women, like, you know, they say, I don't want to be looked at as the angry black woman. What if you are angry? Your therapist always tells you to feel your feels, right?

So why not lean into that if that's how you're feeling in that moment? Yeah. Well, it's because there is that whole trope about it. And it's like, oh, my gosh, am I falling into that trope? But it really is like, yes, feel your feels, express them. And that is a part of us remembering who we really are. And that's not, we're not. we're not always angry, right?

Like that's not, yes, we're angry because there's fucked up shit that's happening. But we are a people who know how to get in touch with our joy no matter what we are going through. And so, yes, we can be in our joy. We can be in our deep spiritual being. And, you know, for me, having a black mother is one of the most,

blessed experiences that I can ever have because of how deep her compassion is. And, you know, I go out into the world after that and I'm like, whoa, is this what the world is like? I'm going back to my mama. That's why it's so crazy. Like when people had a conversation about like

how black women should deal with and treat each other. And they're always like, we should be some more, much more kind to each other. I think it's crazy that like you even have to talk to, especially intergenerationalally. So you even have to say that because it's like, what type of love and or not did you not come from? Because like, like, why don't you feel that for a person that is right there with you

when that's how you were brought up and you were born? Like, you know what I mean? Like in your household, that's what you're giving, even on the worst day. Like, why do you have to be taught that once you get back into the world? Yeah. Well, not everybody. And there's so many people who weren't taught with that same type of love. So it is, right?

Like, it is a lesson once you get out into the world. Yeah. But everybody's household is not, you know, loving either. You know what I mean? Because it's generational trauma, you know, that actually weighs heavily in people's house. And a lot of women are able to teach their daughters how to love because they weren't loved or that. You know what I mean? It just goes back.

So, yeah. Yeah. How do you, when black women read this book and they look at all you're right, how do you talk to them about even if that trope comes, how they still stay in their, like, power and not. like, because once it comes, you're then trying to fight it and then you forget all about who you are, right? So how do you talk black women through that? Yeah. Well, all of my books are a love letter to black women, right? So these, these are just like, it's really like when you read it, it's like, I see you. I see you. And so it's kind of just sticking with it, right? Like, if you are

feeling angry, okay, what am I angry about? Sometimes even saying that to yourself out loud, what are I angry about? That helps because it might be like, oh, dang, I'm just angry because that person cut me off. And then my mind is starting to think of all the other things I'm angry about because I already got angry from one thing. And so, you know, talking to ourselves helps. And I feel like just really continuing to learn ourselves, allow ourselves to be the main character in the story because we know all of us want to give and give and give to everyone. And so it's like really like, okay, if I'm the main character, what is it that I need right now? When you say talk to yourself, what's you, what you see?

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I'll talk. If I begin to feel anxiety, I'll be like, what am I anxious about? And I'll say it out loud. And then sometimes it'll just be like, oh, my gosh, I'm anxious because I think that I'm going to look crazy when I go on this show or something. You know, like, and once I say it out loud, I'm like, that's silly, you know, like kind of talking to myself as if that's the inner child, you know, speaking, their insecurities. What traditions did you discover or find out about that you feel like as a community we miss out on or we forgot about or we don't do? And I'm black. I'm not Dominican. I am black.

I am not Dominican. I am fully black. I'm fully black. I'm fully black. Okay. Okay. Well, for me, one thing that I have done with my sister and with a few of our friends, we read the book, The Conjuring of America, and which was actually very similar to the wind on her tongue. It was like the real version.

Like she talked about Marie LeVoe and she talked a lot about herbalism. And how black people, like, they're the ones who brought in all of the herbal medicines, right? So they had the medicines that worked. And I was like, wow, I feel so disconnected. Like if I walk into a forest, I don't know what any plant is. Right. And so what we did, we got. brought all of our friends together, and once a month,

we learned something that our grandmothers taught us. And so we've learned spiritual baths. We've learned how to make hot sauce. We've learned all kinds of different things. And so I think community and gathering and teaching one little thing. I mean, when I went to South Carolina, oh my gosh, have you guys gone to the African American Museum? No, I haven't yet.

They don't care about black kids. Yo. I really do. Yo. It's so good. It's so good. And one of the things that I learned that I, I mean, it's not going to be a spoiler. I did put it into the new book, but was about seeking, which I didn't realize.

So the Gullahichi have this practice called seeking, where children from like 7 to 11, they go out into the forest alone for days until they have a very. vision. And when they, when they have that vision, they come back with that vision. So they have to know what plants you can eat. They have to know what plants cure things. So by seven, these children are out there knowing, knowing. And I was like, what? I had a similar thing in shallow waters where, because I knew indigenous children did that. And so I had put that in shallow waters. I had no idea that the Gullah Geechee did that. I learned a lot. called you to Charleston? I remember when you hit me and said you wanted to go down there, like to do research for your third book. Like what, what called you to the Holy City?

So it was the third book, which is about Oshun. I'm not going to say the name. So it takes place in Beaufort and St. Helena. And so I was like, well, you know what? I've never been there. I was like, I need to kind of feel the land, the earth. When I got down there, the trees were talking to me. Absolutely. I had never, ever seen trees that look like that with the moss hanging down. Hang over the street. Highway, yep, on a road.

It was amazing. And so when I was there, I learned that, you know, all of the money that the enslaved people made for the South was through rice, indigo, cotton and all of these skills they brought the the enslaved Africans over who had those skills who knew how to do the rice in the in the swamp land specifically picked them they weren't just grabbing random people like exactly so they're like okay you know how to do this and then took them and it's it was I was mind blown like in so many different ways I did a

tour with this woman called the grave woman. Her name is Joelle. And so she took me to a rice field where they're also like, you know, just make sure there's, when you're walking, there's no snakes. Oh my God. Oh, let me tell you. Let me tell you.

We walked by alligator. The people in the South are not scared of alligators. They're not scared. Like, they walk by like it was nothing. I would freak out. I was like, what? They won't bother you? Right. I hate when people from the South say that like it's not normal it's like a dinosaur

alligator it's not normal to was it's like a huge alligator did you jump were you scared I was horrified and they were like the father the girl's father was like yeah we used to swim with them oh it's like oh swimming I never did all that

yeah wow they were black they're black oh wow they're black they're not scared like not they're like of the land like the gun So with the Gullah Ghala Ghii, they were somewhat isolated in certain islands, so they were able to keep so much of their traditions. And so, yeah, it's like...

You're saying that Alleghen was black? No. Oh, Lord, have mercy. That's why you got to go to the International African American Museum. No, I am. No, because... My God. No, no.

The Gulligishi, the people. Yes, ma'am. Queen of Poole got her on a 21-D-Merry. detoxes. She can't do drugs. She's not on day number one, though. Don't get a twist. She only a day number one.

Day three. You just said you started yesterday. No, I went Sunday. Day three is the hardest. But you smoked yesterday. Did you go high yesterday? No, no, no. I'm letting it go slowly but surely.

You can't just change over night yet. What are you doing the fast for? Just for like... She don't know. Health and wellness. You know what I mean? Like I want, like, I want to go on that holistic journey of health. Like my diet is messed up.

You know, I want a, you know, I want a, be able to kill the cravings that I have for weed. You know what I mean? But it's not just weed. It's just even what I consume. You know what I mean? What I'm watching, what I'm listening to, when I'm, I wake up on my phone, before I go to sleep more on my phone, I wake up angry sometimes.

And I realize it's because of what you watch before you went to sleep, you know, my dreams are crazy. Like, and not all the time, but a little bit too frequent for me. I'm 34 years old. I'm not. I got to be. A little too frequent for all of us. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. You know, but it's just a different way of. of living, you know, optimal health. I want, I want, I want that and I want that for my kids too. Yeah. You know, and my husband, like, I really, really want that for my family. And if you can, if you can be, you know, there, we already got everything we need here, right,

to heal ourselves. I want to be able to heal my family, you know what I'm saying? I want to be able to do that. And I want my kids to be able to heal their kids. So you're sick of yourself, basically. Not sick of myself. Shut up. No, but that's important.

That's important. And my sister was just telling me that there is, is a line in the Bible that in many Bibles that has been taken out of where it says to heal yourself, all you need to do is fast. And it's taken out. Like she showed me one Bible where it was in and another one where it's like taken out. I can't tell you which someone will be able to tell you which line it is, but I can't tell you. I know a lot of churches though. I mean, they do fast together in the church, but I know in my church like they, fasting is kind of like what Jess is kind of talking about where it's like you take that time of just

discipline and like in those moments you like talk yourself through things and just have some real like hard moments that make it you change after the fast happening yeah it's very challenging even on my 30 like it's very challenging because um fasting is not just about like not eating what you want is it's really not watching the shows you like not talking to the people you know no sex no like it's very strict it's a very strict way to discipline yourself yeah you know you're going no sex for 30 days what would what what else oh she married to a You know, you have to do no sex when you, there's a whole facet you have to do before you do ayahuasca too.

Yeah. We had to do three weeks. Yeah. We had to do three weeks eating clean. Yeah. No sex. Yeah. Yeah.

Even if you marry, like you and you're married. Even if you married sounds crazy. Yeah. Got you. And you know, as far as like guiding people through things like that, with the goddess wisdom council that I'm a part of this. group with me, my sister Yadi, and this woman named Kora. We take people on retreats.

Charlemagne has supported that in so many ways because I want to basically create spaces where women of color, people of color, can come and experience a beautiful space where all you have to think about is your healing. Yeah. And we have monthly calls called The Leap. and so it's kind of like a community that is more of like, you know, people who can meet once month

and we do like group coaching with them. And then we're about to start a mastermind where if a legacy mastermind, and that can be where if someone has like a project that they've been thinking about. So to me, that's where fasting comes in. Because sometimes you can't even see what it is that you want to do. And it's like, well, what is the legacy?

What is the legacy that I want to? leave behind and so if you do some fasting then this clarity comes because only you know that you're the only one who got that call and you know if it's if it's fuzzy yeah it's the purpose thing right now right like you don't know what it is and i thought that was like a bad thing to not know your purpose you know what i mean but um yeah i can't i can't see it as foggy that's where i want to stop doing a lot the things that I'm doing to get the clarity for it. And sometimes our purpose is just as simple as to love, right? Like that's one of my purposes.

I know that is one of my purposes. It's to love deeply, to love the people around me deeply. And also I feel like a part of my ministry is black women. Like I just love black women. And I feel, you know, just thinking of my daughters. And I love my son as well, of course. But just thinking of like to me, if black women are healed

like it's that's why even with with like micro loans if you give it to black women you know that the whole community is going to be served because they're not going to just take care of themselves they're going to take care of the people around them can we talk about the sacred trinity that's what this that's what this book series represents shallow waters was the mother

the wind on our tongue is the daughter and the next book will be the Holy Spirit but tell me what is the sacred Trinity. Yes, the sacred Trinity from most people is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, right? And so within my books, I'm not, I don't want to tell too much about what's happening in the third one, but I have the mother, the daughter, and the Holy Spirit. So I have the mother, which is Yameya. She is the Black Mermaid, right? The mother of us all. And then the daughter, who's Oya. so she is the daughter in the flesh

and then I have the Holy Spirit which is going to be ocean which is the sweet things in life the muse the artist and these the daughter of three waters within the Cuban practice of the EFA religion so when the enslaved Africans were dropped off at different parts

places in the Americas they different parts of the religion sprung up. So in Cuba, in Brazil, right? So in Brazil, it's condomble in Cuba, it's Sanctoria, right? Lucumi, IFA, right? Like there's many different versions, but it's all from Ifa. And so within Cuba, if you're a daughter of Yemea and Oshun, they call you the daughter

of two waters. and usually you're only a daughter of one orisha. So when I was thinking of these books, I'm like, oh, but there's three of them. There's three of them. And I was like, it's a daughter of three waters because Oya is a storm. There's rain, transformation. She is powerful.

And so that's really where that Holy Trinity came in. And I'm super excited. I'm so excited. I've been calling my dad. every morning early and been reading him like chapter by chapter. And he's, he's an anesthesiologist, right? So he's, I always think of him as super analytical and scientific. Oh my gosh, he's helping me so much.

Why are your father in particular? So he was, I had sent it to him and he was like, I can't see it too well right now. Like he was having a hard time seeing it. And I was like, well, I read the book to my sister, Ivana, who's back here, who is my Ibeji, my twin. With Ivana. And I always reach, like, she's the one who I usually read the book to. She gives me the feedback.

I know which way to go. If she gets a feeling of what's going to come next, she tells me. And, you know, you've written books. Have you guys written books? Yes. Yes. Yes. So, you know, it's a process.

It is hard, like, as far as, like, sticking to it, writing a full novel, right? And so to me, I think of them as kind of like infants. And so I have to be really careful who I share my words with because someone might say something that feels like a stab. And then I'm sitting and I can't write for the rest of the day, right? I did say I was sensitive, right? You did.

And so I'm super careful with who I share with. And so I was like, I am going to call my dad and read this to him. And he has helped me because all of them, this next one takes place in 1909. And so he's helping me stay true to that time. Like, well, would they would have said that during that time? Did they have a toothbrush? Right? And I'm like, oh, I didn't even look, right?

And I saw that, you know, only the elite had toothbrushes during that time. And so. I know. How long does it take for you to... How long did the third book actually take? To write? Yeah. It did not take long, which was interesting because the way I did it, which was very different

from the other ways, was that I woke up early, early in the morning and just wrote a little bit every day. And so I would say I started writing around November and now it's March, right? And so it was really, I would say, the quickest one, even though I felt like I didn't feel like I was writing a lot because it just felt like I'd wake up in the morning, write some, and then go throughout the day. I love, you know, the Daughter Three Water series.

What do you, when it's all said and done, right, like what do you want these books to do to people? Not just how do you want it to be received. What do you want them to do to people? I want people to feel transformed and go out and do what they came here. to do in this world. And I know that might be a big, tall order. But I do.

I want that to be the inspiration. And I went to go see like a sneak performance of Dreamgirls that's going to be coming on Broadway. Nice. The way that made me feel, oh, I would be so happy if my books made people feel that way because I sat there, my cousin Alyssa is in it. And I sat there. And it was the first time I felt unworthy of sitting in an,

audience seat. Really? Wow. Y'all, when it comes out, when it comes out, y'all have to see it. It's so good. And so I feel like that type of artistry,

I hope that my book can do that. And I would love for the IP to turn into movies, TV, it will. Plays. And so it is, yes, from your lips to God's ears. Yeah. Well, if you haven't picked it up, pick up the paperback release,

the wind and hard time. And go get shallow waters too. Shallow waters is the mother. Okay, the wind on her tongue is the daughter. Tell them about your sister's, she's a beekeeper. Tell them about the beekeeper. Yes, yes. It is.

I know, but god damn. The beekeepers are very important to me. That's very interesting to me because. The honeyfire too. It should be interesting to you too because when you own a little land and them bees come, I've been to the farm. I've seen it. His wife loves the candles.

What do you want to know? Well, first of all, how did you get into being a beekeeper? How did that happen? Can we get another mind? Mike Brandon. Yeah, hold on. We'll get you another mic and you can sit down and everything. Yes.

Like, that is very important. Pull it up. People don't eat. It is. Pay your attention. Is your bag? You guys can move it? Yep.

Absolutely. We'll put it right there. Yeah. And then we're going to give you. I'm going to give you a mic. Thank you so much. Absolutely. So how did you get into being a beekeeper?

Yeah. So I, my husband and I and our two daughters lived in Harlem. And we decided to move out to Palisades, New York. And at the same time, we found a six-acre farm, and we also saw a documentary called More Than Honey, which talked about the decline in honeybees. So we wanted to revive the property as well as sort of help the bees at the same time. And so we started keeping bees, and we became obsessed. We started loving it and learning more about what they do for us in the world. We thought we could help them and they can help us.

So it was sort of a synergetic relationship. For anybody out there, it's against the law. This one's to tell you, it is against the law. If there's a honey beehive and you kill it, you're going to jail. But you shouldn't want to kill it. You're going to jail. I know this. Yes.

No, yeah. Listen, if you have a beehive, this girl, call me. Call me. She literally can go in, get the hive, and then put it into one of the boxes. I don't know if you still do that. She's gangster. How many times have you been stung? I'm sorry, Jess.

No, it's okay. These how many times have you been stung? Yes, because I'm curious, it's amazing to me. It's a lot, a lot. But bees are so amazing. Even the venom is medicine. So any time I get stung, I'm like, okay, it actually helps with arthritis. It's also been tested to help some certain breast cancer.

So every time I get stung, I'm like, okay, this is medicine. And also the honey is medicine. The popolis is medicine. I mean, everything about the bee is medicine to us. Yes, we need them. Yeah. I was going to ask you what was the importance of the work that you do in the space with the bees, but hearing the healing part of it, do you have people that come to the farm for that specifically?

I don't because it's not open to the public, but we do have community time where we will have a farm-to-table dinner to benefit our Palisades Library. And if there are people that I know that, you know, that want to reach out, I would do it. I would have them come to the farm. Go look up Lamar Farms.com. Yes, Lomar Farm. Real quick. Did you ever see the movie Beekeeper? with Jason Statham

Felicia Rashshar. So I was watching that and I love Jason Statham and Felicia Rashon by the way. The movie is great, right? So he was a beekeeper in the movie and I was talking to like somebody I know and I was telling them like

yo he, because they was joking about him always like having a odd job like you know because he kills and everything but he was protecting the bees right and Felicia Rashad had a farm and so they was all like no yo it's just a movie about him killing him

like no he was protecting the bees because bees are for healing like the every part of the bee even the venom everything like you just said I was explaining that right I didn't know about the the breast cancer part but I did know like arthritis and the bones it helps with you know sickness niggas try to tell me I was lying I'm like yo for real to be is like one of the most because you always lying it's not because I want to line about that time yeah because people don't understand you know they just think you know oh it's the bee kill it you know I know those honey bees are medicine

We need them. And it's kind of part of what Anita was saying. It's like we've forgotten how to connect with the land and being a part of that, you know, beekeeping is helping me connect with the land and the healing that the land has for us. It's all here for us. Thank you. Can you explain the difference between massage candles and beeswax candles? So our massage candles are made with shay butter. It's made with a special mix that you can put on your skin and you just heat it up and put it on your skin.

It's also. It's so sexy. You light it. and like let it melt and then you blow it out and then you could pour it either on yourself or your partner. The regular beeswax

candles, actually beeswax when they're burned is also medicinal. They act as an air purifier so it releases negative ions into the air connects to the positive ions which is like dust, allergy, allergens and just bring them down out of the air. So that's the regular beeswax. And then on the website you have honey but then you have raw honey. It's all raw honey.

All raw honey. It's all raw honey. It's all raw honey. Okay. And they got soap and body oil. So we can order from you, so I ain't got to go to the store and get honey anymore. I can order from you. Oh, absolutely. This is a candle. This is the beeswax candle that this one, Anita brought different ones.

I did. I went in. This is our bestseller, Wild Mountain Honey candle. So this has like a very strong honey scent. So, yeah. And Jess, tell her your daughter's name, Jess. My daughter name is Marley. Oh, my gosh.

Are you serious? So is mine. Oh, my gosh. That's why Lola and Marley. Lomar. That's what's up. Oh, I love it. Yes.

Okay. Okay. So this is mine, right? This is your. She's just going to take something. We got one for all. We got one for everyone. I knew that these were important.

You knew it. I want to make sure Lauren was going to be here, too. Thank you so much for joining us, ladies. We appreciate you. Go get shallow water. Go get the wind on her tongue, man. Available, both of them in hardcover and paperback. Ms. Ivana, Ms. Anita Copax.

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