The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Bakari Sellers Talks 'The Moment,' Trump Vs. Biden, Candace Owens, Kanye, Ice Cube, Eric Adams + More

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

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Yes, indeed. Bakari Sellers. Welcome. Welcome back. What's up? What's up? I'm glad to be back, man. How you feeling?

Man, I feel really good. More blessed than I deserve, man. I like that hoodie right there. Yeah. Official. You know, we got to represent our girls, man. Shout out to Don Staley. Shout out to Camila Cardoza.

My Lady Gamecocks, for sure. You've been on the lady Gamecocks I mean for a long time right yeah my wife went to USC so I have too but what made you start supporting the lady Gamecocks so much uh coach Staley I mean I believe in her she's a good friend of mine she's like a sister or aunt she keeps it real with you um if my daughters can grow up and be like coach Staley I think that they will be amazing women I mean what she does for the community there there is no I don't think there's a woman who's contributed more to basketball sport um black womanhood than coach staley and i just appreciate her

y'all have y'all had her up here yet yeah she came in a few years ago we got to get her back then yeah we three championships in now that's right um your new book the moment yes okay is your thoughts on the race reckoning that wasn't. Why? Well, first of all, the title. Why the title? So back in 2020, 21, when we were all kind of locked in our homes and then we saw George Floyd be murdered on camera, I thought about why we saw what we saw. And we were in a pandemic. And so people were locked in their homes. We had the audacity of a 17 year old black woman to take her phone out and videotape what pandemic. And so people were locked in their homes. We had the audacity of a 17 year old black woman to take her phone out and videotape what happened. We had nine minutes

of a black man calling out for his mom with a knee on the back of his neck. And the world could not turn away. And then everybody came out in the streets around the world. And it took all of that just for us to have accountability, not justice, but accountability justice is George Floyd still being here. And at that point, maybe it's my youthful naivete, but at that point I thought that maybe the world was changing. Maybe we were starting to understand the plight and pain of being black in this country.

And maybe we were actually having that racial reckoning. You know, those were the conversations we were having. And then shit changed and we went backwards. I mean, we, we have literally since that point when I thought we were making that change, shit changed and we went backwards. I mean, we have literally since that point when I thought we were making that change, we have been going backwards. So over 1600 books

banned. You see what's happening with the attacks on diversity, equity, and inclusion. You see the abortion bill in Arizona from the 1800s. And so, you know, I wrote this book about that moment. I was on TV with Thelonious Floyd, who spoke before me. And Charlamagne knows this. I'm real emotional. I cry all the time. But he was on the segment before me and I was on with Dante Stallworth. And I was in my home, my beard and everything, pajama pants on. That's when we were still doing TV from laptops. And I began to think about my kids and what was I going to tell my black kids listening to Felonious Floyd just speak just speak well what made you that's that's a great point you brought up about uh how everybody thought things were going to change what made you

have a more audacity of hope the george floyd situation or barack obama being elected um barack obama being elected i thought was a moment in time because we had gone so far i remember saying and i had these conversations. I remember being on call with people like Dick Carputle and Michelle Obama when it wasn't many of us who supported the president of the United States, Anton Gunn in South Carolina, then Senator Barack Obama. And there were fears about Barack Obama. One, we didn't think white vote would vote for him. That's why Iowa was so important. When he went to Iowa, we were like, oh, white people will vote for this black man. And number two, my father would bring

it up all the time. We were afraid that they were going to kill him. I mean, older black folk had a legit concern that Barack Obama was going to be assassinated. And the reason being is because it came from a valid place. They had seen all their heroes become martyrs. And so that was a legitimate concern. And so Barack Obama gave me a lot of hope when he got elected. The death of George Floyd was something that we just, it was a moment that we missed. It was a surreal moment. And being able to meet the family and see how we, the world kind of embraced his daughter. And you know, God works in mysterious ways because he always uses somebody that you would not imagine to bring people together. And, you know, God works in mysterious ways because he always uses somebody

that you would not imagine to bring people together. And nobody would imagine that the person or the vessel he would use would be George Floyd. And he did. I write about that. But I was excited, but I was more let down, not by George Floyd, of course, or his family, but by the way people reacted to it or the white lash. There's still a word from from Van Jones. Now, you just mentioned you said things went backwards, right? Why do you think things went backwards? Because you had, like you said, so many people out in the street and it just wasn't black people. It was white people, Asian people, Jewish people.

It didn't matter. Everybody was out there protesting. Why do you think things went in reverse? There are a lot of white people in this country that are afraid of the browning of America. I mean, Tucker, I talk about this in the book, how we've monetized racism and xenophobia. And Tucker did an entire segment on nightly news in front of millions of people talking about the great replacement theory, which is just a white nationalist racist theory. And you begin to see that fear bubble up. I mean, you have people like Clay Travis, you have Ben Shapiro, you have Candace into policy. Whether or not you're talking about the Supreme Court and the attacks on DEI or the attacks on wokeness, we invented, you know,

we used to call people, you know, woke because you were, you know, sleeping with your eyes open, right? You were just trying to see what the man was doing. And now they've taken that and bastardized it and turned it into something that I don't even know what it means anymore. But I think that fear is palpable amongst a lot of folk and they've monetized that. I mean, you a lot of the echo chamber that is Fox News are people who they're afraid of brown folk. They're afraid of black folk. They're afraid of migrants. I mean, it's just it's fear. Donald Trump was a was white last two. And do you think that Democrats might have did themselves a disservice by running a woman right after a black man? Because the black man scared the hell out of him, too.

But that woman getting close to the president, she scared the hell out of him. Let me be extremely clear. There was no person more qualified to run for president of the United States in the history of this country than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Shout out. I know she's listening to The Breakfast Club this morning, so shout out to the Madam Secretary. But this is a sexist country. There was a lot of misogyny involved in it. And I get in trouble with the dark side, particularly there are a lot of black men who get mad at me on the interwebs, et cetera, when I talk about... There was a lot of misogyny involved in that 2016 election. There were a lot of people who just didn't feel like a woman could be

president, should be president, could serve. And a lot of them were white women who felt that way. And there were a lot of... Listen, white women let us down in that election. We're going to be 100% honest. And, you know, it was wild to see that a lot of white women felt some type of way. Hillary Clinton was a death by a thousand cuts. I mean, they had been ostracizing and beating Hillary Clinton up since 1988 just for little things. And so I don't think we made a mistake. I mean, very rarely do we elect the most qualified person in our party, and we did that.

And so she just got beat. I mean, there was some people have to look back at that election. Nothing happens in a vacuum. I remember they were like, she didn't go to Wisconsin. Well, she was scheduled to go to Wisconsin. She was going, I think, University of Wisconsin-Green Bay with Barack Obama. They were going to have a big rally. What happened?

The post-nightclub shooting. So they canceled the rally. Nothing happens in a vacuum. And so that race, that blew my mind. I was actually in D.C. I was hosting a party at Park in D.C. And I told them the only way we would host it is if it was a watch party, is if my daughter could come.

She was 12. So they let me sneak my 12-year-old daughter in the park. And we told them the only way we would host it is if it was a watch party is if my daughter could come. She was 12. So they let me sneak my 12-year-old daughter in the park and we were watching the results come in and it got bad quick. We were there. We were at the Jacobs. She invited me to the Javits Center. We had our daughters there thinking we about to see them.

We had our spouses. We were all there. My daughter was there. Listen, when Florida happened, I was like, this is different. And then the blue wall chipped away. I mean, I remember that. I was depressed. I drank. I went to bed early. No, you say something about drinking. What did you say? I drink myself to it.

Because I tell people when I have, back in the day, my saying was when I had good days, I drink Jameson. When I had bad days, I drink Jameson. But now I drink tequila. But I was just, I was was out of it my wife was like you you know how you get drunk and snore you got that drunk snore mouth open by two o'clock i was done i couldn't watch it no more man i was sad with that said hillary doesn't get in the white house so when something happens like a george floyd can you have a true racial reckoning if you don't have people in positions

of power elected officials yeah i mean that's a good supporting that that's a good question i don't i don't think we have you know for even even white liberals um in my book i talk about this a lot we have a lot of race specific problems in this country and they they pass a lot of race neutral legislation for example ppp loans etc during covid cetera, during COVID, COVID relief. They passed COVID relief under the auspices of rising tides lift all boats. But what do we know? Who was directly affected the most by COVID? Black people.

Black people and Native Americans died at higher rates than anybody else. And we lost more businesses during COVID than anybody else. But the policies weren't directed towards us specifically. And so you have, you know how many black folk in this country are unbanked? Just don't have a bank account. These individuals are suffering, dying and suffering, and they don't have a bank account. You can't get a PPP loan without a bank account. All right.

And so when you begin to think about this, we we you're right. We did not have people in place who think logically about having these race specific policy solutions. And when that rising ties don't lift our boats, what happens if I have a dinghy? What happens if I have a hole in my boat? Right. What happens if I can't get off the dock? And so we don't have enough people in power who think like that. That's a that's a really good question. I could see an introduction in your book. And this is something that we spoke about a lot up here. you talk about how you feel when celebrities don't get involved. Let's talk about that a little bit. Yeah, I mean, me and my dad had this conversation, and it starts because of a picture in my book. Well, a picture that I talk about in my book.

My dad got arrested up here in front of the South African embassy. He was protesting apartheid, and he was with Jim Foreman, and he was with John Lewis. And the people who bailed my dad and them out was Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte. And there was such a cross-section during that time between celebrity, pop culture, entertainment, and grassroots activism. And my

dad believes there should be more of that today. And I articulate that there is. People don't know the work you do, Charlamagne. People don't know the work. They don't know Beyonce and Jay-Z bailed out all the protesters down in Baton Rouge when Alton sterling got killed um but his argument is that there should be more his argument is that you know the work and he used kanye west right he said kanye west could do that much more for the black community i said dad kanye west just gone he'd been gone right i mean i like i said on i said on cnn i got in trouble for it but i said kanye west

is what happened what happens when negroes don't read right but he believes there should be more I think there are a lot of people who get involved we don't know the work they do but I compare it to the black church as well there's just not enough they're not enough people with means who are putting their shoulder to the will to help us get out the ditch that's their prerogative if you want to have two Teslas and live behind a gated community or behind a in a gated community, that's fine. But, you know, I think, you know, this ministry isn't for everybody. I think that you have to be decently selfless. And there are a lot of where we're from. I'm sure where you're from, too. But there are a lot of black folk who are suffering. There are a lot of black folk in poverty. There are a lot of black

folk who don't have access to quality health care. There are a lot of black folk who don't have access to quality health care. There are a lot of black folk who don't have any opportunity. I mean, we still have in our communities first generation college students. Like we literally have people who are still going to college today who is their first generation in their family. All you got to do is go to a high school graduation. That's why we act the ass. The most non-listened to statement in the history of america is please hold your applause until all the names have been called don't nobody listen to that nope but and so we just have so many problems and i think that there is a we we don't have a lot of wealth but i think that we have more wealth than we've ever had and there's an opportunity for us to contribute

more what's the number in the socket line where they say 50 almost 50 of all people don't aren't don't have their basic necessities oh yeah i mean and that in time back into COVID this is what I'm talking about we missed a moment so people ask Bakari why did black people die at a higher rate from COVID than anybody else well in Denmark for example I lived in a food desert which means you can't go one or two miles and have access to fresh fruits and vegetables our hospital shut down we didn't expand Medicaid etc hospital shut down Our drinking water is not clean. All right. So you have all of these things. That means you have high instances of preventable diseases, diabetes, heart, cardiovascular disease, et cetera. You can't get quality health care. And then you overlay a pandemic. It's no wonder we're dying at higher

rates. But we never peel back the onion and ask those questions. And people ask, what is systemic racism? That there is systemic racism. Like like how do we fix those systems of injustice i wonder did we miss a moment or did we just get pacified like you know you had a lot of these corporations do all of these corporate dei programs you had and it was an election year so people thought hey we can just vote yeah the change we want in like did we miss a moment or did we just get pacified? It was a combination of both. You know what? Trump put his name on them checks.

Yeah. Which was a brilliant political move. So what was them checks? $1,600, I think. $1,200, I think. $1,200. I think it was another $600 too or something, wasn't it? It was two $1,200 checks.

I can't remember. Then Biden did one, but nobody remembers that one. And so, yeah, I think that we got pacified, and I think we missed a moment. I think, but people were going through so much, too. I talk about Garland Gilchrist, who's dope. Garland is the lieutenant governor of the great state of Michigan. And I think it was 26 people he lost in his life, in his orbit.

I mean, there's a lot of death in black communities. And so I think we were trying to survive, which is, that is my hope. I have two hopes in life. One is that we no longer have to be in a position where we're trying to survive all the time. There are so many people out here working today who are listening to this show, truck drivers listening to this show, who are trying to survive, make ends meet. You're a number five in the Trump trial. I'm trying to get us to thrive.

I want to get us in a position where we're having an abundance, excess. I want us to all be able to live like DJ Envy, right? That's what I want to, live like we light skin. I'm very modest. Did you hear about jury number five? But real quick, how do you get the moment back though? Cause I feel like-

And that's my number two thing. And so the problem for us is that, like in order for us to have change in this country the price is so high for black folk i'm trying to lower that price like in order for us to have the voting rights act and civil rights act we had to have the edmund pettus bridge people had to see that brutality with their eyes in order for us to even talk about uh criminal justice reform we had to watch george floyd die In order for us to take the Confederate flag down in South Carolina,

nine people had to die. There's so much pain and sacrifice that goes with being black in this country just so that you can have a model of change. Like that price is too damn high. And then they're saying

up here in New York, the rent too damn high. So for black folks, the price of change is too damn high. So I'm trying to lower that price. And that's hard. Hard as hell. Shout out to jury number five.

Who was that? You heard about jury number five on the Trump trial. When they interviewed her, they said that she gets her news from TikTok. She gets her news from TikTok and Google. And she said that she listens to inspirational podcasts in the breakfast club. So we were trying to figure out from a legal standpoint, why is that information necessary? So during voir dire, you get to ask a number of questions. And those questions have to be, you put your questions forth, the defense puts their questions forth, and then the judge reviews them and he puts together a list of questions.

And so I usually ask questions like, are you a member of the NRA? Like, what bumper stickers do you have? You know how much you can tell about a person from their bumper stickers? Like, don't tread on me. You know, the blue, black bumper stickers, like the law enforcement bumper stickers. Yeah, honk if you horny. Yeah. That'd be funny.

Well, that's probably somebody you want on your jury, right? You know, honk if you horny. Hampton University bumper sticker. Yeah, or who you voted for. You know, if I'm in a criminal trial, I i want to know did you contribute to um what is it moms against drunk drunk driving mad right because that means that you just have this bit that you may not give my client that type of grace and so you're trying to figure out the psychology of of the juror by asking them that and then there was there was one juror i saw i didn't even see the

breakfast club but there's one juror i saw that only gets their news from truth social really they can't be a juror then yeah they made it they made it wow wow this trial is crazy how do you think it's gonna play out oh he's gonna be found guilty i mean he he's gonna be found guilty in this trial he's gonna be found guilty in the two uh criminal trials federal criminal trials he's not gonna go to prison it's to be a bit of irony that he's going to be a convicted felon, unable to vote for himself, but still could be president of the United States. Do you think

he's going to win? No. I don't think he's going to win. Not what you hope. No, I don't think. I'm looking at the fundamentals. Charlemagne and I, shout out Jared too, we have these conversations all the time. But I think the fundamentals are the biggest threat to Joe Biden is not Donald Trump. It's not RFK.

It's not Cornel West. It's the couch. That's right. Like people will stay home. That's right. And we have to get out of this subject verb Donald Trump. Like people are tired of that. They know he has five kids by three baby mamas.

Right. They know he's uncouth. They know that he's been found guilty of rape or whatever he was found guilty of in a civil civil matter. They know he has 91 felony counts and all that other stuff. And they don't care. They don't care. But also, you know, part of it is we have, you know, we talk about this often. People say, is your life better now than it was four years ago? And people usually say, you know, my life was better then. What we've realized is that when they were talking, when they say that, when they answer the question that way, they're not talking about necessarily because Donald Trump made it that way. They're talking about their life was better before COVID and still haven't bounced back. I think that Michigan is going to be very important, but I do believe that you're starting to see black and brown voters come back to Joe Biden and wake up.

People are paying attention. And I think that Donald Trump has a very low ceiling and a high floor. So he's going to be in the low 40s, period. I mean, that's just where he's going to live. He's going to live at 40 percent, 42 percent. And I think that Joe Biden can can eclipse that. I don't necessarily want to see a debate, but I think you're going to see one anyway. Are you afraid of what's happening on college campuses? Are you afraid of young college kids who feel like they hate Joe Biden's handling of Palestine, Israel? Look, they're out here screaming at the four guys. Like, what do you think about that? Yeah, I think what's going on in college campuses. Shout out to Jelani Cobb over at Columbia. He's the dean of the School of Journalism over there. They got their hands full. I mean, I also think, though, we have the rise of anti-Semitism that we've seen in this country is palpable.

It's something that we have to quell and has no place in society. You know, for me on college campuses, you believe college campuses to be a place where you can exchange ideas. You believe college campuses to be a place where you can go and have just this kind of unvarnished opportunity to learn as much as possible. What you're seeing now on many of these campuses is unrecognizable. And I feel for those college students who feel as if they're being persecuted, who are getting assaulted on that campus. There's no place for that in terms of the way that that plays out in an election. You know, it's do they vote even just from a pure, you know, practical standpoint? Are we talking about people who are voters right now? And I think that they're going to be energized i do not see i don't see how anybody who has some level of empathy or sympathy for what's happening in gaza voting for donald

trump but to your point they might stay home correct correct they may stay home and that if there is a secession of fire uh between now and the election which i believe there'll be i think joe biden will be in a much better place well why is this so hard for this country to reckon with race just Just on a, just in general. Because we've never dealt with the original sin of this country. I mean, we've never dealt with, or one of the two original sins,

shout out to my Native American friends and followers, but we've never dealt with, we never dealt with the issue of slavery. Like this country, I mean, we built this country for free. We were raped, pillaged, they took everything from us. nobody they act like that was like we never dealt with that. And then we we had you know, we had a hundred years of oppression and Jim Crow. Like we we literally have not been a republic until the Voting Rights Act in the mid 1960s. I mean, think about that. People like like we haven't had full full right in this country until 1960s and that we're still fighting for that.

And so we've never really dealt with that issue. And now now, you know, one of the quotes I write in this book is that, you know, for a lot of a lot of people, including a lot of white folk that we love, that we talk to, that are our friends. Equality feels like oppression to them. And that's the definition of white supremacy. And so we've just never, we've never dealt with it. I just don't want more people to have to die, which, oh, and going back to college campuses, look, we do have to, we have to do a couple of things. We have to root out anti-Semitism at its root. We also do not need Eric Adams in NYPD

or Kathy Hochul in the National Guard on college campuses. That shit don't mix, okay? My dad was shot by law enforcement when they were brought on campuses in 1968. We had Kent State. We had Jackson State. Just let's figure out a way to have some constructive conversations with students.

These outside groups arrest them. Whoever's from the outside infiltrating these pro-Humas groups, you know, arrest them, put them under the jail. But but college students, let's figure out a way to have some. I mean, let's figure out a way to have some dialogue. You got the chapter White Terror Part Two where you talk about legal genocide and you talk about how you and Ben Crump receive so many threats that y'all face for the work that you do so it makes me wonder is it is the work worth it and shout out to harry daniels too who worked with us on that case and andrew brown is the work worth it um i have a job that i wish didn't exist i'm you know i'm working with a family right now in in minneapolis minnesota ricky cop yeah he was he was gunned down by a Minnesota state police. And, you know, just seeing the pain these families go through. I mean, when you do this work,

you have to be not only their lawyer, but you have to be their psychologist, psychiatrist, their friend. I mean, we, we have like, you know, these phone conversations or meetings where we just kind of, you have to let them grieve. You have to let them get it out because they want justice. I mean, they're part of a fraternity sorority. You never want that knock, but you never want your loved one to be a hashtag. And you but you never know when it's going to happen in the threats we get. I mean, Ben, I pray for Ben all the time. Ben is one of the most.

Complicated, simple people you'll ever meet in your life like. Every Sunday, he's in church with his family. When we travel, he goes shopping at Walmart, gets his shirt, dress pants. When we go out to restaurants, he get a fried shrimp or just a cheeseburger. Well done. Well done? No, we could be at Papa, though. I always judge people by how they eat. First of all, some of y'all need to be judged.

He didn't say well done, though. He just said cheeseburger. Well done. I mean, I got to judge. Some of y'all need me. He didn't say well done though. Well done. Some of y'all need him. That one's Bobby. Yes, it does. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary?

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I'm just saying. But he's a good dude, man, and he don't get nearly the credit for the work that he does. And so shout out Ben and people like Harry Daniels, people who do this work and who do it well. Is it true that y'all aren't allowed to talk to media about y'all cases? So sometimes like when they, when the case is filed,

you have to be really careful about the things you say. And then when cases settle, usually there's some level of confidentiality that's involved around like the, the, what was going, what numbers were going back and forth but you can talk about the case it's pretty free i'll talk about the andrew brown case

in that now also i wanted you you wrote a letter to your son yeah yeah for sure let's let's why did you want to write that and how difficult was it to write that that was all about his namesake yeah yeah yeah stokely carmichael kwame ture uh i wanted so this book we talk about black men a lot we talk about the the untapped voting power of black men. And I wrote this letter to Stokely because I wanted him to know and be very proud of who he is. I wanted him to know who his grandfathers were. The strength of his grandfathers and his grandparents. I wanted him to know the power that his dad holds and his grandfather holds.

And I wanted him to know who Stokely Carmichael was. And Stokely was my dad's best friend. Stokely was there when my daddy got out of jail. Your best friend is there when you get out of prison. And so he was there for him then. And I just wanted him to know, I wanted him to feel when he reads those words that he, I don't want to say king, we overuse that.

But I wanted him to be a very, very proud black man when he reads that. And I want, I wanted, uh, fathers when they read that to be able to realize that we have to talk to our sons like this. Um, and you know, even kids, we don't birth. There are a lot of black men running around in our communities that don't have fathers and we have to be willing to wrap our arms around them as well. And so it wasn't hard to write. It was something I wanted to do. So it actually flowed pretty freely. You said faith and fear cannot coexist.

Yeah. Break that down. Yeah, it's tough for me because I have anxiety that's worse than most people know. Like I have general anxiety disorder. So I'm in therapy once every two weeks just to deal with it. Ayala Van Zandt says that it's when my thoughts are in my head without adult supervision. And so for me, you're not supposed to be faithful with fear.

And that Bishop Jakes talks to me about that all the time. Sometimes you just have to literally let go and let God. That's when my vices get the best of me sometimes when you try to let go. That's when you find yourself in the shake-ems. That's when you, or excuse me, the African-American performing arts centers if you like black strip clubs

or ballets if you like white strip clubs. That's when you find yourself in a bottle of Casamigos or Claas Azul or whatever it is. Listen, man, healing is healing, Makari. Yeah. Okay. All right, self-care, self self-care those are some of the best therapists in the world yes shout out the city of tampa atlanta some of the best some of

the best therapists in the world some of the best therapists yeah but nah and so i just feel like you gotta you have to be faithful and i'm working on rooting out that fear ain't there yet um because you know fear can become paralyzing you'll be so afraid of what's outside you stay indoors right you know and so you have to you have to be willing to combat that stuff and so um shout out to bishop jakes he's one of he's one of the great heroes of our time love that guy what what is the importance of snick man we don't we i don't hear about that enough and what could black people today learn from snick snick was about snick was about us it was about self-empowerment black people today learn from SNCC? SNCC was about us. It was about self-empowerment. Black people today could learn that if we're going to have any change, it does not start at 1600 Pennsylvania. It starts locally. It starts in your precincts. It starts in your

churches. SNCC was amazing because they went to places like Philadelphia, Mississippi, where Goodman, Scherner, and Chaney were lynched and thrown in a ravine. They met people where they were. They stayed in their homes in a ravine. They met people where they were. They stayed in their homes. They built community. They empowered communities. And my dad was one of the members of SNCC. Shout out to Judy Richardson, you know, Marion Berry, Julian Bond,

you know, all of these great heroes and heroines that we just don't know enough about. And so I love them. I dedicated that book to the founders of SNCC. And it starts locally. I mean, here y'all got arguably one of the worst mayors in the United States of America. And so y'all got a lot of work to do.

Damn, Eric Adams. Yeah, Eric is terrible. Why do you think he's so bad? Eric Adams comes from a bent in which he is relatively old school, which is fine. But he frames his discussion as if he is the sole arbiter of what's right and what's wrong. He doesn't believe in sourcing opinions that are not his own.

He lives in a decently an echo chamber, and he believes law enforcement to be the end-all, be-all. And I know that crime has been a problem throughout most major cities. We've seen crime decreasing. But it takes a community aspect. Eric is somebody who wants to be a celebrity. It's hard to be a public servant and a celebrity. Those things don't really mesh. Barack Obama

has people believe in you can do both. But he was natural. Eric is kind of best suited to be a deacon. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But I don't know how many deacons you're going to elect to be mayor of the largest city in the United States.

It is what it is. But, you know, a couple years, you get to replace them. What do you think about the crime problem in these cities? So crime, you have to look at it holistically, though, right? Because a lot of people say one of some of the major problems is the bail reform, that a lot of these criminals are repeat offenders, that they're not staying in long enough, and they're coming out and they're doing the same crime.

I think last week a gentleman that punched a woman in the face came out and then punched a six-year-old girl in the face. Yeah, you got to lock them up, right? I tell people all the time, my mom and dad, they don't want fewer police, they want better police, right? I actually think you should pay police more because you pay for what you get, right? If you want quality people, I think the police should go through psychological evaluations, not only when you get hired, but every couple of years because it's a stressful job. So you don't need a nut getting hired to a stressful job. And so but you have to look at crime holistically, like right now, you know, for a long period of time. The reason we saw crime rates go up is because people were hungry. And if they don't have food, they don't come take yours. That's right.

Right. If they don't have a job, they don't they're gonna get it by any means possible it's a lot of hustling going on the price of the brick went up exponentially i do criminal defense work i was amazed by how much people had to pay for a brick i mean how much is a brick right now i don't want to tell you because i feel like i might know too much what you mean yeah. So right now, my partner's telling me they were paying $45.50. God damn. For a key? Yeah. I thought GZ said $17.50. Didn't he say that?

That was a long time ago. That wasn't even true. I don't believe that. Yeah, I mean, you know, a decent price for a long period of time was $35. $30, $35? They were $17. We all should have been selling dope back then. You know how much money you can make off $17.50?

All right, guys. All right. Listen, what do you think about Mayor Adams saying it's an attack on black mayors across the country? He was here on Breakfast Club, and he said that it's an attack on black mayors all across the country. It is. But he's like, if you talk about black mayors, I mean, I don't think he's in the top ten. I mean, you got people who are doing great work. Andre Dickens, Atlanta, great work.

Shout out, Andre. You got the mayor of Birmingham, my good friend Randall Wolfen. You got the mayor of Little Rock, Frank Scott. You got the mayor of Birmingham, my good friend Randall Wolfen. You got the mayor of Little Rock, Frank Scott. You got the mayor of Charlotte, Vi Louse. You got London Bree, got her hands full out there in San Francisco. She working hard every single day. So, I mean, look, there is – Ross Baraka-Noah.

Oh, Ross Baraka. Oh, and I forgot my homeboy down in Jackson, Mississippi. Chokwe, Chokwe Lumumba. So you got people, and I hope Ross – Karenwe Lumumba. So you got, you got people. And I hope, I hope Roz, Karen Bass, Karen Bass.

Oh, Karen Bass is dope. And she has her hands full in LA. You got all these people that are better than Eric, but there is an attack on black men. You don't like Eric, huh? Nah.

I can tell. No, I mean, but people I don't like, they know it. And I, you know, how does it get personal between y'all though?

It's not personal. Okay. Okay. No, I'm, I am constructively criticizing the job that he does. Like I do the same thing in the book. I talk about Jason Whitlock.

I talk about Stephen A. Smith. I talk about Ice Cube. And I don't know him. I dislike him personally. But what do you say about Stephen A. Smith? I think that Stephen A. Smith, I think that he appreciates the white gays. And I think that he's made him. The white gays? What's wrong with appreciating the white LGBTQ community and I think that he's made him white gays

appreciating the white LGBTQ community I didn't say g a Z but not you know you know you know he he piles around with the sean hannity's and tucker carlson's of the world he he gives them their platform just you know last week he's talking about how when donald trump says that black folk find it relatable that he's going through his prosecution i think that his anti-intellectualism, Stephen A. Smith, confused that that persecution with prosecution. Like there is you cannot compare the plight of my father who got wrongfully arrested, went to trial, went to prison. Right. That is a that is a persecution to the plight of of Donald Trump. Shot at. Yeah. Shot. Not even shot at. Shot. Right. So you can't you can't compare that

and i think i think that he talks loudly um and i think he comes from just a place of anti-intellectualism where he doesn't know um and i think that he's used as a conduit uh for white supremacy particularly in these echo chambers and what happens is white folk white conservatives are able to be like when you say dumb stuff like you know black people find it relatable that donald trump is indicted right first of all they perpetuate stereotypes that we're hyper criminalized etc but when you say that white folk now look at you and be like aha there's even a negro that says that too and he's just uh he's kind of a useful idiot when it comes to things like that. Now, I disagree with his sports takes all the time. Right.

But that is what it is. But the stakes are too high for that level of ignorance. And so, you know, you know, Jason Whitlock is a is a different animal. I think Jason Whitlock, Ice Cube, Stephen A. Smith are all in different lanes. I don't want people to think they're the same, but I do think they contribute to an erosion of our culture and particularly the success thereof. I don't like the generalization of when they ask those questions.

Like if somebody asked Stephen A. Smith that he shouldn't accept it, he should say, I can't speak for all black people. I mean, but he, that's anti-intellectualism. And that's also like

a weird level of confidence because he appreciated the question. So he was like, I'm an arbiter of all things that are black. Let me tell you how black folks feel. But, I mean, he used to hang out like Sheriff David Clark. I mean, you heard what he said about, remember back in 2017? You gave him donkey of the day in 2017, if I'm not mistaken, 2017, 2018. Because he was like, back when J.R. Smith and the players were wearing hoodies,

he said that they shouldn't wear hoodies because it would remind white people of Trayvon Martin. Like, what are we talking about? I mean, this isn't the first time we've been down this path with him. And so, you know, it's about accountability in our community. So I just called him out. And Ice Cube? So I think Ice Cube pops his head up when he needs attention.

The most recent thing we saw was Kaitlyn Clark, for example, right? Offering Kaitlyn Clark $5 million. One, he ain't got $5 million to pay Caitlin Clark. Two, Caitlin Clark said she found out about the offer the same time everybody else found out about the offer, right? On Twitter. So it wasn't even a real thing. And three, you got black women like Asia Wilson who've been dominating for a long time. Throw her half a mil, right?

250. Then we had the black agenda, which he came up with himself i guess um and it wasn't clear it didn't articulate our needs he had the ability to talk to black women in particular who were reaching out to him he shut them down and so i just want people to be held accountable like people hold me accountable if you have a problem what i do i mean i i'll take the criticism um and and be willing to move forward. Either be a part of the solution or get out of the way. How do you use that level of celebrity, like an Ice Cube,

like a Stephen A. Smith? How do you use that to the benefit? Look at people like John Legend. Look at people like Kerry Washington. Look at people who are in their lane, who are inquisitive, who want to learn more. Look at Charlamagne.

People hate me. But let me ask a question about charlamagne like people do hate you but the problem with the problem with that sometimes i feel like people forget the good that people do and when they do something that's a misstep they take that misstep down the road i mean they do that we see what did you think about the breakfast club having candace owens on it that was a decision but but i i don't know i mean out for being your friend, but I don't mind. Take Charlamagne out for being your friend. No, no,

no. I don't mind you having, I don't mind you having Candace Owens on if you're holding her accountable. Right. I think the problem with Candace Owens is that she went on this tour to be hugged by black personalities and she wanted to be reengaged in the black community because she's been ostracized because of her antisemitism from her home. And I, I don't have any use for candace owens i'll offer to debate her

she she wanted to debate me offer me a hundred thousand dollars to debate her i said i'll do it just do it on the hbcu campus it was crickets right and so you just have to know i don't i don't want you you guys to be played because somebody wants to re-engage or find a new place in our community and find a new place in our community and find a new place in our home yeah i don't even think she was trying to do that like candace has been wanting to come on burka's club for years like i've talked to candace six seven years ago yeah so it was just to me it was just they gotta bring up for have a conversation i mean i don't and i don't think i'm not somebody who believes in canceling people i'm not somebody who believes

that you should not have a conversation but if you're gonna have that conversation you can't just give free reign you got to be willing to push back on it like candace owens is an anti-semite like period right candace owens holds views and opinions that i believe are are just anti that antithetical to what it means to be black in this country. Candace Owens props up white supremacy. I mean, I think all of those things are fact. And I think if you want to have a conversation, but we can have it rooted in fact, then so be it. Yeah, it's interesting, right?

Because I hear people like Candace Owens talk, and I'm saying to myself, I don't know if they're propping up white supremacy or if that is just another way that black people think, like especially black conservatives. And the reason I say that, especially with the Blexit thing, right? When they was like, yo, let's let's get people off of the Democratic plantation. They don't have to be conservative, but let's just start to get them to think independently. I don't know if that's necessarily propping up white supremacy.

I don't know. Candace is now in a way, Candace and Tucker are just in a weird, you know, was nine 11, an inside job was the moon landing fake. Is the Holocaust real? We know a lot of brothers that talk like that though. We know a lot of black people who talk like that. And we have that,

that is fine. And when you're in a barbershop, what you call them? Dumb as hell. It depends. I don't know. I'm at the point right now. I hell it depends i don't know i'm at the point right now i'm like i don't know what's what anymore to be totally honest with you but there there is there is reality there is fact and then there's not and that donald trump has done a great

job of just pushing back on our institution so people begin to question stuff and it's nonsense i mean you know questioning is the holocaust. Oh, that's just ridiculous. It's disrespectful, too. I mean, that's about that's about as bad as who said that we learned slavery was good. Slavery was a choice. Oh, slavery was a choice was Kanye. Kanye. And then Ron DeSantis was we learned a lot from slavery. There was benefits to it.

I mean, those things are just. So why does Kanye get so many passes? From who? From people in general. Because he talented. Exactly. So so like we pick and choose who? From people in general. Because he's talented? Exactly. So, like, we pick and choose who we want to crucify. We pick and choose who we want to ostracize.

Well, I mean, can't nobody do 808s like Kanye. See? But he's an anti- No, I don't fuck with Kanye. I don't do Kanye West at all. Like, I haven't for a very long period of time, since college dropout. I mean, I think- You're wearing Yeezys today, though. Who? I'm the best bitch. I don't do Kanye West at all. I haven't for a very long period of time, since college dropout. I mean, I think-

You're wearing Yeezys today, though. Who? I'm just messing with you. I'm just messing with you. Don't have the people going crazy. Just messing with you. Shout out to Puma. I got my suede Pumas on.

No, I don't think people get a pass. I think with more talent, there's more grace, but I think that grace is worn out. Kanye don't have no home in the black community no more. I think with more talent, there's more grace. But I think that grace is worn out. Kanye don't have no home in the black community no more. You think? I don't know about that one, Bacardi. I think he does. A lot of people still mess with Kanye. He just had a number one album.

He just had a number one album. But it just got dethroned by Drake. Still though. He still had a number one album. I don't know. Number one single. Number one single. The number one single now is Push Ups. No, no. He had a number one album. The number one album. I thought it was number one single last week. Number one single. Number one single. And the number one single now is push. No, no. Yeah.

The number one album. Number one album. I thought it was number one single last year. Number one single too. No, it wasn't. Cause the number one single was Fortnite. I'm a Swifty.

No, number one single was number one weeks ago. A few weeks ago. Cause Taylor Swift replaced him. And then Drake just, yeah. And her, her songs charted.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just interesting. Have y'all had Taylor Swift up here? No, never. It's just interesting having conversations. I was like what's the never about oh no i mean like never oh yeah yeah it's just interesting having conversations with black people with different

trains of thought and i think sometimes we do do ourself a disservice by staying in our own echo chamber and just labeling people dumb because they think differently than we do no kanye west is dumb though no i agree some people who think differently than we do. No, Kanye West is dumb, though. No, I agree. Some people who think differently than you, it's fine. But Kanye West is dumb. Dumb at certain subjects. Yeah, like he is a genius.

He is a genius. He's brilliant. I think if you put him in a studio, there aren't many people who can compete with him. But I think when he is running for president of the United States, a lot of the things he says's dumb but I also feel like it's it's a lot of times it's who he's getting his information from well that's that's a certain level of individual responsibility to right like where are you getting your news from like I that is not a democrat or republican thing ain't nobody that is that is a willful click on your part or just a phone call you make to get your news from wherever you get it from and so that is my you know look that that is my like libertarian bent that is individual responsibility

at its finest do you think the news is doing a poor job of uh amplifying and highlighting the things that the biden administration gets right because it seems like all they do all day is talk about how bad trump is to your point nobody cares about yeah i mean i don't want to on our television yeah i don. Nobody cares about. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to tell you. Yeah. I don't want to hear about Trump farting in court. I don't want to hear about him falling asleep. Right. I mean, like treat him like treat him like every other criminal defendant. Right. But yeah, you don't hear about what Joe Biden did for black farmers. You don't hear about the seven billion dollars for HBCUs. You don't hear about the fact that the number of black businesses, the share of black businesses between 2022 and 2019 has doubled, right? You don't hear about what he and Kamala

Harris have done for African-American female mortality. You don't hear about the holdings or the writings, opinions of Kentonji Brown Jackson, who he put on the Supreme Court. You just don't, you don't really hear enough about those things. And so is that the media's fault? Yes. Is that the White House's fault? Yes. Right. And so there is a certain level of distrust. You know, Kamala, Joe Biden are not the best messengers. People don't even really listen to Barack Obama like that anymore. So, yeah. So, I mean, we got to find the people who are I would argue that more people listen to y'all than listen to them. All right. And so, you know, it's important that you have the right messengers out there meeting people where they are all right well you know they're gearing up to blame this election if uh biden

loses you know they're gearing up to blame it on black men i know i write about that and you know for a long period of time you you can't just show up and begin to talk talk to black men you know at labor day um i think we have to do a better job of listening to black men, all of them about the pain that they're feeling. It's hard. It's hard being a black man in this country, because when you walk outside your doors, you're not loved. You have to live in this perpetual state of angst and anxiety because you don't know what's coming your way. You have to take care of your household. For me, I have a wife. I have three kids that I spend a great deal of my time in my own head making sure I can provide for them. You're making sure it ends meet the stresses that you deal with, the way people look at you, and the way you have to carry yourself.

We live in a very toxic type of environment. And so I talk about all of those things, and we have to listen to the pain that black men are going through. Until we begin to open our ears and listen to that. You'll continue to see slippage and they you know, a lot of black men will gravitate to the toxicity or the toxic masculinity that is Donald Trump. They black men who were voting for Donald Trump, I don't think it's great numbers, but they're voting for him because he looks tough. He talks hard. Right. I mean, that that's what it is. It's a personality. It's an entertainment factor. And we have to understand that. Right. We have to understand where that comes from and then you'll be able to attack it. What is what's your hope

for this book? What's the biggest takeaway you want people to get from the moment? I want people to realize where we are and where we can go. And I want people to realize that, particularly as black people, we have the ability to change our destination. I want, at the end of it, I talk about young people in this country. And I go to Applebee's a lot, right? And the reason I go to Applebee's across from the VA on Garner's Ferry is because they pour liquor like it ain't their own.

You know, they actually pour, they actually pour like they're supposed to. These fancy places, anyway. But I was talking to the bartender, and she told me she was born in 2000 and. I was like, and? There's more? And I began to think about that. I was like, imagine a kid born in 2000. They've seen 9-11.

They've seen a housing crisis, a financial crisis, election of the first black president, Tea Party, re-election of the first black president, Parkland, Fort Hood, Charleston Massacre. They've seen a synagogue shooting. They've had the largest mass shooting in the history of the country in Las Vegas, Nevada. They've seen the election of Donald Trump.

An insurrection? Oh, insurrection. They've seen COVID. They've seen the precipice of World War III. They've seen Russia invade Ukraine. And they've done all of this under the auspices of social media where it's like, you know, just the vitriol that is what it is. And they're still here. I mean, these young people are so dope. Your kids are amazing. I mean, that's why they need more grace. All of us have kids that are amazing because they're still here. I mean, y'all are worried. I mean, Envy worry he's going to show up in the Freaknik documentary. Definitely not.

That was not my error. I was right behind that error. That's a real fit. Everybody should be concerned about that. I don't have a problem with people being afraid about that. So I'm just saying these young people, they need grace. And I write that, you know, they give me hope. And there's a lot of hope to be had. All right. book new book the moment is out right now make sure you go pick

it up and i want you to know he bought it right back to food with applebee's food and liquor you get the bakari's heart okay food and liquor when bakari first started talking about inflation he was like the whiting too damn high the white is too high man my daddy went to piggly wiggly man that's how i knew it was real he He was like, we were just talking. He was like, man, you seen the price of whiting? It was like. Well, it's Bakari Sellers. It's The Breakfast Club.

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