The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Bill Burr On The Problem With Billionaires, Fake Wokeness, Elon Musk, New Special + More

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

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Lauren LaRosa filling in for Jess. Yes indeed. And we got a special guest in the building. The legendary. Comedian Bill Burr. Welcome. Hey, what's going on? How are you feeling? What's up Bill? I'm alright. You know you made me think about something this night. There is a risk in giving compliments. Oh yeah I came in and I was saying I go hey yeah you lost some weight you look good. You

look good. And then he said what were you saying I was fat before. It was like I guess I kind of was. I wasn't. And I was like, what if he's sick bill? Yeah You said after risky, that's the risk you take you take but you know, they got AIDS under control. Yeah Yes, they do. It's not like a big deal anymore. Remember when I used to be so scared of AIDS. It was terrifying Right after the magic Jonathan press conference is when the clitters I don't have AIDS you that was a Generation of somebody got skinny that's what it was for us Right after the Magic Johnson press conference. Just wanna clear this, I don't have AIDS. That was a cool, crazy transition. I looked at you like you not gonna say nothing. Crazy transition. That's what it was, our generation, if somebody got skinny.

That's what it was. Before us, it was heroin. Oh, crack, yeah. And then after that, yeah, yeah. My AIDS is a meaner. This is a nice way to start this interview, buddy. Good morning, drug addiction, AIDS. By the way, Bill, you're 56.

You are not in your drop dead years, man. Yeah, don't say that. Cut it out. Well, yeah. Nah. No, people, people, yeah, you're 56. You are not in your drop dead years, man. Yeah, don't say that. Cut it out. Well, yeah. Nah. No, people drop dead. Yeah, I've had friends drop dead in these years. So I hope I'm not. I try. I mean, I'm an old dad. So that was sort of the thought that I started thinking like how long do I have to live so my kids will, you know, I raised them and I was starting to do the math

and it was kind of scaring me. So I've been, I don't know, but you know, you get to be 56, gonna be 57. You start thinking of those things. No, it isn't. Yes it is. 57 times two is 114. That's not young.

How old are you? People are like, oh, you know, you're middle-aged. It's like, no, I'm not. I'm 56, I'll be 57. So yeah, that's old. No, how old are your kids? Oh, my kids. My daughter is eight. And my son's gonna be five. Oh, I started late. Yeah. Yeah. But the average age of the most people die men at least around 7475. That's the average age in America. Oh, okay. That's good. So those are those are actually the dropped edges.

Yeah, at least are actually the dropped edges. You're at least making the comments. No, that's not dropping dead. That's dying of natural causes or whatever you were doing. Dropping dead is you're out on a golf course, you know, just limbering up doing this and then just face plant into the tees. But you got to take care of yourself. You go to the doctor, you do your cardiovascular tests. I'm not dying. I don't know.

You're just doing like a health intervention here. It is a stand-up special. You're taking it very seriously here with the thing. It's just sort of making fun of the fact that I'm not young anymore. I got to watch myself and whatnot. So you run around the park with your kids? Yes, I do all of that type of stuff. Oh, why you saying like that? I can see making his house sound seem so age. I'm like, well, what young stuff do you do that makes you feel like I can't do it anymore? Damn, it's just being 56 is like, is that a crazy thing to think that 56 is kind of old?

I think so, because you don't I mean, the way that I think because you put you say 56 and you talk about all of the like, kinda like the up the hill battle stuff, like it's just, you wake up every day and you look fine. She's 33, bro. That's how you make it seem, you make it feel like, you make it feel like you feel old. Like, so I'm like, dang.

We're ancient to her. What's happening with your kids? All right, listen, I'll call Hulu, I will rename the special. I'll see what I can do. The pregame to drop dead Years. Yes, okay. It's the pregame. Well, the special is out today.

It is out today on Hulu, Drop Dead Years for everybody out there. Make sure you go stream it, make sure you go watch it. Absolutely. Can you tell us what inspired the name? How does it reflect the material you're covering in the special? Well, I always have a mix of of like I talk about current events, crazy thoughts, and then, you know, sort of analyzing my mistakes or whatever. So I'm not because my earlier specials, I was just doing this. So I like to try to point the finger at

myself a little bit more. But I don't know. God, I did the thing back in June and my act is all different now, but it was just stuff that was, I mean, Biden was still president when I did it, so there wasn't all of this stuff that's going on now that is intense. What are his years? If you're to drop dead years, when you're Biden's age, what is his years called? I mean, that guy should have been in a home. I mean, I don't understand how that guy was our best option. I don't know. I try to stay out of politics, but no matter what you do now,

everybody just sort of drags you into it. So you know, and then like in my world, the white world, they try to throw the word woke on you, which I always just say you can't use that word, that word has nothing to do with us. You can't be woke as a white person. You're just not. That's one of the embarrassing things about my people

is not only do we steal your slang, we don't have the decency to find out the definition before we start using it. And then it changes. Like I heard somebody the other day was talking about like how when they get drunk, their accent comes out. And they were like, yeah, it's like code switching. That's just like, that's not what that is. I'm sorry.

You know, when it comes to comedy though, are you trying to provide an escape for people or do you feel like you have to use comedy to make sense of the world that we live in? Definitely an escape. Okay. I'm big on that. Like my job is when you come, I'm going to make you laugh, forget about whatever you're going through or add to a good week if you had it.

But I don't put any sort of level of importance. People try to do that. Like there's this stupid thing out there that they're like, the comedians, they're like the truth tellers of today. It's like no, you journalists aren't doing your fucking jobs anymore. You guys are all, you guys work for one or two channels

and you just sort of toe the company line. So then they're putting it on comedians. It's like, that's not our job. Our job's to make you laugh and forget about your work week or whatever. So I don't put any sort of importance on anything that I'm doing, but other people try to, I guess.

I wonder whose fault that is, though. Like, was there a particular comedian? Because, you know, George Carlin always kept people, to me, grounded in reality. And then what Jon Stewart did, and still does, you know, on The Daily Show, he keeps people grounded in reality. And then what Jon Stewart did, and still does, you know, on The Daily Show, he keeps people grounded in reality, but then he reports the news. So sometimes they want you to make the facts funny,

because the news isn't doing it. Like the news is- Oh, I stopped watching the news at least 10 years ago. Damn. I just couldn't do it. There was just no hope. You just walk around. I can always say, you can tell people

that watch 24 hour news, they show up and their eyebrows are up. You see what happened? I just did Good Morning America. Just the weather alone. The way they were showing all of this severe weather and nobody is addressing global warming and how the hell and what are we going to do about this? And I think, I really think the LA fires, all that corporations see like, oh wow, we got great ratings watching all these people lose their houses. So then I was like watching the weather on Good Morning America being like, is it really this bad or are they trying to make it seem this bad so they can get some more of those LA fire ratings or whatever.

You gotta sensationalize in news. That's like the, your goal when you know how to sensationalize. Yeah, they're just trying to make money. So I don't know. It's a weird time. And how do you stay away from politics when I feel like politics is just funny nowadays? It's pop culture now. Everything is just-

Everything you say has to do with political stuff. Not everything, but a lot of stuff you say has to do with political stuff. Like you were trending all morning this morning. Did you know that? On Twitter? Yeah, but I guarantee you whatever they were saying. I was saying I wasn't what was it about? It was the Elon Musk a nice Nazi thing and how the media Say what they need to say there was a there was a time post me to and all that speaking to power to and all that speaking to power, all of that shit that was happening. You know?

Remember when something was supposed to happen for you guys and it didn't because it was all of us just talking? I mean, that's what ended up happening. That's true. That's what ended up happening. A lot of white people making a lot of promises that never happened. Oh, was it during the Black Squares time or something? I don't, I don't, I don't remember.

I just remember there was a time that you would be on stage going like Can I do this Caitlyn Jenner joke or am I is this gonna like am I gonna get canceled? Like it was really a this crazy time Nah, he and then she was the one transgender you could always make jokes about and nobody would give that Oh, I don't know. I kind of did one on Conan and then those guys at Huffington Post tried to get something going But and okay, so there was that period and then like a few years later this guy's seagrass twice. Once in the front, if you missed it in the back.

And it's just like he still has a job. That guy still has a job? I don't understand those guys. And this isn't politically. It's just like I don't understand why they're so upset with this country. It's like you're billionaires I think it's working for you like like, you know, why are you going and telling everybody, you know justify what you do? It's like fucking justify what you do that piece of shit car that you're making that the government financed

No, but you know what you just said you said that Elon still has a job. He's the richest man in the world There's nothing they can do to him and that's all he proved There's nothing anybody can do to him. And that's all he proved. There's nothing anybody can do to him by throwing up when he did that. What do you take from him? He's not Kyrie Irvin, he's not Kanye. Like, what do you do? Yeah, but you keep, I don't know.

Listen, I don't know how this shit works. I'm just saying that, you know, if you said the wrong thing as a comedian, all of a sudden you lost your TV show. But you're not the richest man in the world. If you were the richest comedian in the world, ever. Imagine that. Imagine Bill Burrow would throw up all my moneyrow. I don't get is the amount of

veterans that People in the armed services that died trying to stop Hitler and then this guy comes in You know and does that While being an immigrant too, which is kind of fed the whole thing. There's none in none of it like tracks How you could be the support the troops, you know, America love it or leave it, and then this guy comes in and gives a shout out to Hitler. Makes no sense at all. Yeah, it doesn't.

So, I don't know, but then somehow that gets politicized. I'm not trashing Republicans. All Republicans did not see Kyle. That guy did, and I was just amazed that all liberals had was one day of outrage. And they're like, all right, I guess that didn't work, then we just kind of move on. Because they realize they can't do anything to him. Like, what do you do other than send out some angry tweets?

Well, the stock went down a little bit, but then Trump tried to, you know, buy some Teslas on, you know, live on television to show people that it's cool to buy the company. The people online said, Bill Burr is absolutely cooking. He don't realize he's going to lead a revolution and then make jokes and complain about it. So they want you to tell them what to do. That's one comment.

That's multiple. If you go down this, they was giving it up for you this morning. If you are in this business, the last thing you want to do is read comments on the internet. I tell her that every fucking day. Whenever a person is trending, I have to go see why. It's just in my world of things. She lives in the comments. This is not the comments. You were trending across the US on Twitter, so I I clicked to see why because I knew you were coming today

And then I saw the comment that you made which I saw the day before but people just started common sense comment That yeah, we shouldn't have a not just started yelling about it today. So that's why you were trending Just think about that all you like when people go he wasn't he wasn't see highly What was it? He's calling he was calling a legal motion Two politicians were moving at the same time. You know, you said you feel like billionaires are like rabid dogs who deserve to be put down. Wow. Damn.

Why do you feel that way? Well, I mean, it's a podcast. I'm joking. I'm exaggerating. You can't do that in 2025, Bill. You can't say anything, Bill? Yes, you can. And I did it. And it's fine. You can't do that Yes, you can and I did it and it's fine You know what I hate I hate when somebody shows them a clip from a movie or a sketch and be like, oh you Couldn't do that today. It's like you just did it. That's true and we all watched it and everything was fine so like I so you don't really feel like billionaires are rabbit dogs we should be put down I Think that they should be regulated.

Capitalism is great, but unregulated capitalism, I don't think the direction this is going in where now these guys, the thing is, is they're all competing with each other. They don't hang out with regular people, they just hang out with other billionaires. So when somebody has an infinity pool overlooking an infinity pool, then that's what they want.

And I think they just go around looking at their net worth and they're trying to be like the first trillionaire but I don't know I don't understand that but this this whole like heartless way that they treat workers I agree is it's it's got to stop it has to stop and I don't I do find it funny though that it's nerds that are ruining the world because they used to always go after like frat boys and stuff and it's like well now look at it it's all of these these I don't know they're all getting like hair plugs and they get like face I don't understand but the CEO they take jiu-jitsu and they raw almonds

they got the girlfriends now to, they outside, Elon Musk. Oh my god, come on. The people, they're outside now, people are following them, they're making them celebrities, that's what's happening. Yes. Like that's what it is, that's what I mean by they're outside. People are just gravitating. I wouldn't say they actually, they got the pick of the litter when it comes to women though. I don't think the pick of the litter, I think people care about the more. The thing is, is is they're nerds so they don't have any game so they have to have a billion dollars You know just to get some stripper to walk up their driveway Jesus it's kind of what do you mean? Jesus? This is the breakfast club. It's kind of always been like that It's kind of been like that for guys guys always feel like we needed some money. I never felt like that

You know, because you know who the real the real like if you needed some money? I never felt like that. You know, cause you know who the real, the real goats are when it comes to talking to women was those guys that were getting money and not getting money were getting women before they had money. That's right. They were, the guys in high school and college or whatever who were just crushing it. Like that was the real deal. Cause they were getting that with like their vibe, their gift,

the gab and all of that. But like once you have like money, if you have a good looking, if you get after you have money, if you then get a good looking woman, you can't, how do you trust that? That's right. Jeff Bezos is like a perfect example of that. Like people weren't caring too much about him besides what he was doing right or wrong at Amazon. And then he started, he got muscles, he started looking like a little something, got with

Lauren Sanchez. Now everybody care about his relationship and where they going with it no they don't they care about Jeff Bezos being Jeff Bezos with all that money if you Google Jeff Bezos Lauren Sanchez the top media outlets are covering their engagement. They care about his girl. They be following his girl. The fact that she was what she wore at the inauguration. One of the richest people in the world. What I'm saying no one one... What part of the internet is that on? Just out of curiosity. Because I am nowhere near that. I watch, like, lions killing hyenas, people wiping out on motorcycles.

I had no idea that somebody's watching the CEOs. Yeah, all right, you know. Mm-hmm. Is that on Twitter? You can Google it, too. But you know, people feel like that about multimillionaires,illionaires too though Bill, and you are a multimillionaire. I hit the lottery. Yeah, I worked in a warehouse, I did shit like that and then I tried, I went after something

and it paid off. There's no way to win that conversation where it's just like, oh you got money now so shut the fuck up. But then if you act like you have money it's like, oh, you got money now, so shut the fuck up. But then if you act like you have money, it's like, oh, don't forget where you came from. So like, I don't know, I am, I don't know, nobody's the same person that they were. I like to think I learned some shit along the way,

but like, you know, people who work for me get paid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want them to go to bed terrified, wake up terrified, go to work terrified, like that one psycho said that he wants his workers to do. Like I want people to be comfortable. After me. Yeah.

Like why wouldn't you want your employees to, like when I was growing up, you know, the working class, it was like one week's pay should be your rent or your mortgage. And now I know people that work a whole month and have to get like a second job and that's just not good You know, you need to be home with your kids if you have a second job, you can't do that You can't raise them right causes more problems. I don't know. So you like compassionate capitalism Yeah, I have no problem with people running stuff I have no problem with people making a ton of money But like, you know when when your workers are wearing adult diapers cuz they don't have time to go to the bathroom. Damn. Is they're driving your

truck across the country like yeah that's what I've seen. Alright maybe maybe you're taking too much of the pie. Mm-hmm. That's all so I don't know. People are gonna cut this shit up and they're gonna fucking throw it you're gonna read it and they're gonna say some more stuff. It feels like common sense. But you're not afraid to talk though that that's what I like about you, Bill. You go on these podcasts, you speak your mind, you get on stage, you speak your mind, and you don't care about what happens after the fact.

Well, I'm not being malicious. That's right. Like, no, if I said something and I was in a bad mood and it was really like I meant it in a bad way, which I've done that, then I will apologize. But, you know, what am I saying here right now? You should pay your workers enough money that they can feel that they can feed and clothe their family?

I don't think that's too controversial. He's a woke capitalist. Anti woke capitalist. Whatever the hell they call that Luigi kid. Oh yeah, I saw you doing the sneaker thing. You talked about that too. That was super viral. She lives online if you haven't realized. Oh, yeah, I saw you're doing the sneaker thing. You talked about that too. That was super viral

She lives online if you haven't realized yeah, I mean, but I like you know something I hate to tell you how few people it takes to comment on one thing to make it go viral No, but you what you were saying I think people took it in like the because people were having a conversation at the time of like is it right or wrong to say? Free Luigi, so they just threw that into the conversation. But I think, Oh, that's what people like doing. Yeah. I think should we blah, blah, blah? They never commit. But that's what I was going to say. No, it should not. Like they just get all these mouth breathers to start commenting. But that's the problem with the news. Like these,

these pundits will be on till like CNN, MSNBC, they'll ask answers. They'll be like, did Elon Musk throw up a hail Hitler? Yeah, but those are not, that's not news. That's not, they used to have rules. They said when I was, I remember they had rules of seven. No one guy could own any combination of seven radio stations, newspapers, magazines in one market because you could control public opinion. So now you've got two guys that basically own all the news. So I don't know why you would watch it. If I was running shit, I would shut down CNN, Fox News, and you would no longer be able

to comment on stuff on the internet. And then I would just leave it at that and bring it down to a simmer and then maybe be like, all right, you know, talk to people, how do you want to live, what works for you, and try to like, you know, I don't know. How do we get on the move? Shit needs to calm down, and you don't need people

stirring stuff up, because, you know, one of the great things about this job is I go to all 50 states, for the most part, red and blue, and people are cool. But you watch these leaders and they're like, oh my God, this is happening, that's happening. They just got everybody all scared. So I don't know. How do you get news?

Because in Earth, what you get is how do you get it. Oh, you don't need, everybody's walking around talking about it. So how do I get news? Well, what if they're lying about it? Yeah, I would say because you just trust what people say. But that's the thing too because some outlets I read- Well that's what you're doing when you're watching CNN and Fox. You're trusting what these unbelievably biased-

That's true. Things are biased. Yes, it's not, you know, you watch those channels you know who they voted for. When I was growing up you didn't. It was just like an anchorman and you know. I don't know how y'all did that though back then because I don't believe that- Yo yo yo, what's, and you know. I don't know how y'all did that though back then, cause I don't believe that. Yo, yo, yo, what's up with you man?

I know how y'all did that back then. Black and white television, I don't know how y'all did that. You had black and white TV? Go ahead. I don't believe that, I don't believe that no person can be completely unbiased. Like I think that that is not true. I think everybody has a bias.

So you're always gonna get get biased news even when it feels neutral. Yeah. Okay. But I would say that these are really extreme. They don't even try to hide it. Like I remember the first time Trump got elected, half of CNN was crying. Oh, you took more games.

Half. And I was just like, you guys are not journalists. Like there's no crying in baseball. There's no crying in journalism. What are you doing? True. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it looked like somebody, you know, shut down their Sweet 16 party. It was weird. They did a random question. Did Billy Corgan get the DNA test to see if you and him are really half brothers? I saw him. I don't want, you know, yeah, I don't want to get into that.

I don't want to get into that. That was just a, you know, I love Howie, but we're still trying to work that out. Yeah. That he did that. So. Oh, so that was real. That wasn't a bit with that that you had going on.

I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I'm just gonna leave that stuff alone. There's a lot of people out there that aren't in this business that might be affected. Oh, shit. So I just leave that alone. Okay, alright. Wow.

I need to ask, you said you've been married 11 years. Uh huh. And you said you finally got it right. What was getting wrong for so long? He didn't know happy wife was happy life. Yeah, which sounds cute. It's a threat. What do you mean?

Happy wife, happy life. What do you mean, what do I mean? What do you mean? How is it a threat? You've never been with a female? I've been married 20 years. Yeah Yeah and you're smart enough to say what do you mean so I say it and so you don't walk home. Don't try that slick shit. You didn't see the alley oop? What do you mean by that? I live on a different planet. No I kind of uh, no silence. Silence is the key. When they get all you know going on about something you don't have to take the bait. You just the key. When they get all, you know, going on about something,

you don't have to take the bait. You just sit there. If you don't engage, like arguing with a woman is an away game, is what I've learned. And you're just going to lose. But if you just stay quiet, not hostile quiet, neutral quiet, it dies of its own weight. And then you just, if you just never get upset then they did say so look at her

You see the look on her face. They come around They come around and then but then this is the thing too. You can't ask them to apologize either Damn, you can't you have to they you have to let it see you have to make it them feel like it was their decision You know what I say, and this might sound a little off, I say sometimes winning is losing. Yeah, well you can, you can, I wouldn't go that negative. That's a little hopeless. No, you gotta, listen, you have your guy friends to say what you really feel in that moment. That's shit that you used to say to your wife, but like you just don't do it anymore. You just sit there and go like, you know, you just let them go, you know. I feel a little unhealthy. I feel like you should be able to talk to your wife about any and everything. Yeah, but I mean, that's how you're wired. Yeah. You got like that stubborn

thing. You're not gonna you're not gonna take any I've done that. That doesn't work with a woman. Sometimes very easy. I mean, y'all might have a way that y'all communicate when you do really need to get something off your chest But you're really easy going with your wife. She she leaves a lot But she also makes I feel like women we we know the same thing like we know how to make y'all feel like it's your Decision when it's like if you really make the decision who knows what will end up Yeah, you guys think you're slick with it. We know that we know we know what y'all doing. Yeah. All right. She's single by the way I mean once I I just told this story one time. One time I was driving in a car with my wife and it was like late at night.

I was like, you know what, I'm going to stop by, there was this diner, I was going to get a chocolate shake or whatever, a sugar crepe. I'm going to get a chocolate shake. She goes, oh my God, that would be amazing. And she goes, they make the best shakes. She goes, oh, but they're so big. Why do they make them so big? She started talking about how big they were

and I started thinking like, yeah, how am I gonna finish this thing, you know? And then I thought like, oh, she wants half my shake. She doesn't want her own shake and she wants to have some of mine, but she doesn't want me to be upset that she's drinking my shake or whatever. So she, rather than just saying,

you wanna just split one, she tried to like mind fuck me into thinking I couldn't finish a shake as an adult. Did you finish the shake? No, I called her out on it. And what did she say? I do want one. She got this smile on her face and started looking out the window. And there's just a few times when they like sort of expose themselves, you know?

And then you start going like, you start feeling like the Manchurian candidate going like oh my god like she's running like I remember one time we got into an argument and somehow I stayed calm and she kept escalating and then she ended up losing it and at the end of the argument she goes she goes are you happy won, you made me mad. And then she walked out and I was like, I go, what did you just say? And she was like, nothing. I go, what did you just say?

You just said, are you happy? You made me mad, you won. Do you think making somebody mad is winning? Cause I feel like that's what you do to me. And she was at that point, like arranging stuff on like her desk and stuff. And but it's not a competition. It's not a competition. You are purposeful. Hey, it's a Martinez, the news can feel like a lot on any given day, but you can't just ignore las noticias when important world changing events are happening. That is where the up first

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So I don't know. They always say went through your actions never through argument. So I feel like that's what you mean when you say just be quiet. Yeah, I mean, that's whatever you just said is more evolved than I am. I just try to like,

like that was like when I'm on Duolingo and I kind of know most of the words and I was like, wait, let me just hit pause and think what was just said. Just went through your action and never through argument. Like I don't need to argue with somebody. Just, you know, showing proof basically.

Are you buying this? I'm buying nothing from over there. I don't even shop over there. He's just like walking around in some linen robe and just just walking his way through. So you're just telling me you just you just you just sit in the pocket the whole time and all of her jujitsu doesn't work on you. No, but here's my thing.

I'm not trying to compete. You're an argumentative guy. I like the debate. I like how you just clarified that. I like the debate. I think a healthy debate is good for all parties, for everybody, for your friends, for your wife, everything. I'm not talking about debating.

I'm talking about arguing. Nah, I don't like to argue. Just pointless. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I don't do that. I refuse with debating. I'm talking about arguing. Nah, I don't always argue. Pointless. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I don't do that. I refuse. With anybody. I disconnect. I aspire to get there. Well, you said in the special that you... The amount of shit, if you have at the end of my life of dumb shit that I spent on sports arguments, oh my God, that's going to be a third of my life.

But those are different though. Sports and hip hop, those are actually fun. I think those are good for your heart, to be honest with you. Keep your blood flowing. You don't get into a fight over it, right? No, but I lost a whole night in Vegas one night when some younger kid I was hanging out with tried to tell me that Mayweather, if he fought in the 80s, would have gone undefeated against Hagler, Hearns, Durand. I'm missing somebody in there. Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Leonard, John the Beast, Mugabe,

all of these, like. I'll give you my, that's not true. I'm like, they all took a loss from each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no disrespect to him, but it was just like, cause I love Mayweather and everything, but I was just saying like, you know, I just, and I said the old guy thing,

oh man, you should've seen the middleweight division in the 80s, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they were like going, he was like, oh man, he would have killed all of them. And then I just. Did you name Hitman Hearns? I don't know if you named him. Yeah, I named him. To me, that's just a pointless conversation because he didn't see it. See, that's the beauty of being older. You've seen both eras. He has not. You've actually lived through them all to give a proper analysis. He hasn't. Well, Tommy Hearns, his thing was he was like six feet tall and he could make that weight. You know what I mean? So he had this ridiculous reach advantage and his power. His thing, his thing that I felt that that hurt him

was he was such a warrior that there was a few times he had a fight won and he still just wanted to go in and mix up and knock it out and then knock the guy out and then he would get hurt but oh my god when he when he when he knocked out Duran I thought he killed him I mean that was like a gunshot what's first round of a Hearns Hagler fight oh my god she looked like Rocky that was that was like Hagler was my guy he He was Brockton, Massachusetts, and you know, he had the shaved head, who knew I was gonna go that road. He had the shaved head and everything, and I just, there was something about him.

He was just like, he just was the toughest, I remember Hearns was saying he had the hardest head of anybody he ever hit. Like he broke his hand in like the first round of that fight, it was a three rounder. I saw you say that one of the greatest things that ever happened to you is that you went bald. You went bald for your acting career.

Oh, for acting, yeah. Because before that when I had like, you know, the red hair or whatever, like you know, they talk about all the stereotypes in Hollywood, it's not just like with people that, like I was in the redhead drawer and there's just certain roles that you get and I remember like, you know, I'm old enough that we had like black and white headshots.

So like in the 90s with the mousse and the hair, it kind of looked like brown hair. So a couple of times in like some smaller projects, independent things, they would bring me in for the lead. And I was thinking, oh my God, I'm finally getting to go in. I'm finally gonna have like a big part. And I would come walking in, like, you know, prepare three scenes, right? And I would come walking in and then they would see me, they'd be like,

oh, okay, we're just going to do the first scene. And I knew what that was. It's like, you're not going to have, there was just this unwritten rule that if you were a redhead, you weren't going to be the lead. Redheaded male was not going to be the lead in a movie. So going bald and shaving my head, you know, I started looking more of like the asshole that I am. So I got to play those kinds of guys. And, you know, like this thing, in Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, this guy David Moss

that I'm playing is, you know, he sounds like all the guys that I grew up with. Like, it was a different time, and people just yelled at each other, and they said horrible shit to each other, You know, he sounds like all the guys that I grew up with. Like, it was a different time, and people just yelled at each other, and they said horrible shit to each other, and there was like no apology, and you just kind of moved on, so.

What made you want to do Broadway? I was gonna say, this is your first time. Like, that's like the, like, you already do the hardest thing there is to do on stage. I think comedians are maniacs. For you as one person to go on stage, I would say editing a movie is way difficult than uh. Really? Oh my god. Oh my god. If if first of all on your first movie if you don't

know what you're doing if like you know when you see experienced directors they they'll have a guy they're like starting to edit the stuff as they go so they almost have their first cut at the end. Your first time director it's like you took five jigsaw puzzles and just threw it in the air and it's on the floor and you have to look at every piece and try to figure out how it went together. That's the hardest. As far as in show business thing that I did

and then before show business, any construction, landscaping, roofing was brutal. But stand up is not hard, it's more humiliating in the beginning when you don't know what you're doing. But once you know what you're doing, it's one of the easiest jobs in entertainment because it's in real time. With like a movie is an hour and a half and it takes like three months to shoot it, 16

hour days, you know, an hour stand up takes an hour. So if you're funny, it's an easy job. I guess you got to get to that point though. When you when you first started out and you get to that point though. When you just first starting out and you getting on that stage, and it's you versus 300, 500 people, man. My favorite thing is to watch people bomb. Yeah.

He enjoys it. No, I just like the thought process of watching people try to figure out how to get out of. Oh yeah, yeah, trying to learn how to bomb gracefully. Yeah, you learn how to do it, but the only way to do it, what I do like about standup is the only way to learn how to do it is to do it. You can't like rehearse. It's like you want to be a comedian, you literally write five minutes of material and then you go up and try and do it. That would be like

being able to play a guitar for five minutes and then go play your first concert. Like how would you do that? So it's inherently, it's inherently set up to be a train wreck for the first, you know, three, four years of your career or whatever. But I mean, it's, the job is beyond a blessing. I didn't know what I wanted to do in life, but I wanted to have a fun job. And it's definitely the most fun you could have. I love doing it. Well, why Broadway now though?

Um, because I fell in love with acting and Broadway I never was into, you know, I just thought it was all like cats, Les Mis and all of that. I didn't understand any of that. But in the late 90s, 2000, I saw True West with John C. Riley and rest his soul Philip Seymour Hoffman. And it wasn't a musical and I watched it and I was like, wow, it was electrifying. I was like, this is amazing. I would love to do that. And I started to take some acting classes, you know, for about five years at that point. I just sort of, you know, I just the way the business used to be was like stand up led to acting back when you got paid to be an actor as opposed to now.

I don't know what's going on. So yeah, so I just started taking acting classes and I don't know. I don't know how most of the stuff has happened in my career, and somehow I ended up on this thing, which is crazy, and we've done three preview shows, which is funny. They act like they don't count until the premiere, but it's like people paid, like these count, so... But it's a great cast of people, and everybody's been killing it, so it's been fun.

In the opening of your special, when you're walking on the stage, you talk about how comedy is like, kind of like your safe space Or whatever because you've you didn't I never said safe space. It's my summation of What did you say because whatever it was I was surprised to hear you say because you said something about like you didn't know How much you wanted people to like you? Oh Yeah, I thought I did and I was confused. I'm like, really? Yeah, well I thought I did stand up because I liked comedy. That's what I thought, but I didn't. Through taking mushrooms and figuring

myself out, I realized that the reason why I did comedy, aside from I liked making people laugh, and that's how I connected with them, it was in this real, this way to go on stage and make a room full of strangers like you so they wouldn't hurt you. Yeah. So that was kind of like, you know. That's okay. I just was surprised that you said that because this other stuff you say, I'm like, you know people are going to dislike you for that, but you still say it.

So that probably has to do with, you know, not getting love. And then when you get it, when you grow up, then you push it away or something, or not feeling worthy of it, low self-esteem. There's a lot of stuff in there. I got to take some more mushrooms to figure that part of it out. But you do a lot of plant-based medicines?

No, I just I don't know what I do. I've only done mushrooms, like, three or four times. And what I like about it, it's the only drug I've ever done that didn't make me want to do it again the next day. It made me want to, like, work on myself and try to be not such an asshole. And, uh... Has it worked?

Yeah, it has. It's, yeah, it's, it's... I'm not gonna get into it, but,, but confronted a lot of stuff that happened to me that made me become a comedian or have the need to do it. And then it made me understand my wife more and what it was like to be with me. Because, you know what I mean, if you grow up in a crazy environment,

your idea of not crazy is just less crazy than the crazy you grew up with. But if everybody, if you get with somebody that had a regular happy childhood, whatever that is, like you think you're being chill, and your chill is a raving lunatic to them. So, and then that becomes that, the most difficult thing I think as a human being

is empathy. Get out of me and listen to you, what are you saying? And then admitting you're wrong, okay, you're right, that's hurting you, I'm acknowledging that, blah, blah, blah. That's the type of stuff I got out of taking mushrooms. Would you try ayahuasca and any of that stuff that's a little further? Yeah, I would in the right circumstances,

but I would just do it with my friends. I don't trust these therapists that all of a sudden, you know, out of nowhere understand it. And what's going to be the worst thing that's going to happen to mushrooms is it's going to become legal. I think so. Because look what happened to weed. I mean, what is it now? First of all, you do- They're already putting chocolate over to mushrooms. Well, you just, you look at those weed stores. It looks toxic It just looks like a store of chemicals

It doesn't look it used to just be in a little sandwich bag and hopefully it was green It was usually brown with seeds and stems and shit, but it was just so it was weed That's all it was and it was just like You know, you could smoke a lot of it and get you know, they have edibles. They have cream They have shit like get you know. They have edibles, they have cream. I love the edibles. They have shit like you know only take I would only take like take like two hits and see what happens. That happened to me. Take like two hits see what happens. That happened with me on Thanksgiving. We had some friends over and I missed the red flag because I was like you know having a good time like I went to go

give uh one of the women that came over I went to go give her a gummy. that came over, I went to go give her a gummy. She goes, nah, nah, nah, it's all right. I go, no, it's only 10 milligrams. And she's going like, I mean, if it's not 100, it's not gonna do anything for me. And I should have clicked on that and I didn't. And then like 20 minutes later, I was smoking a joint with her and her brother.

And then like, I just was not at Thanksgiving. Dude, it was like for like three hours. You still trust giving women drugs in 2025? Oh man. I would never, I wouldn't even. Well, I wasn't trying to bang her. It's like there was a bunch of people there. We were going to eat.

I know, I just said, you know, yeah, everybody was breaking out what they had, you know, it was just like, you know, you want, you know. Where the hell did your mind go? It was just like you know you want you know Where the hell did you mind go with Thanksgiving dinner? Weilding the casting couch You know if you want the the best cut of the turkey That this can happen why don't you eat this? Can we just examine that? You still trust giving a woman drugs?

It's a fucking edible. 2025 man. Jesus Christ. We've heard too many stories, you know? Five years later, yeah I was at Bill Burr's house and he gave me some drugs and it was just, wait a minute. You came over for Thanksgiving. Yes, I can hear you trying to explain it.

I'm just telling you how it was found. On Twitter. Whatever's gonna be existing five years from now. Yeah. It's figuring yourself out good for entertainment. Meaning like when you are a person. 100%. One of the biggest fucking myths as a comedian is if you get happy, you're not going to be

funny anymore. It is. It breathes all new life into you. And it also, uh, you can re-examine all of these topics that you've talked coming from a different perspective being happy and then also you can maybe do stand-up for the crowd instead of yourself because now you're happy it's like hey let me make them happy for an hour like they're that man you makes you

more empathetic you can relate to people, understand maybe like, even if you haven't gone through what they've gone through, you understand that they're going through something. So if they do yell at you, rather than taking it personal, you can come at them from a different angle, which is my favorite thing to do, is to just not take it personally and try to figure out where it came from and get them to laugh about themselves to realize that what they yelled at me had nothing to do with me. It had to do with what happened to them on Tuesday or I don't know, or when, I don't

know, years ago or something like that. So when you look at your old stuff, do you feel like you was just projecting? Like you were just projecting your anger or whatever it was? Oh, I mean, I just, yeah, I was a, I don't know. Well, I don't watch my old stuff, but if I was to watch it, it wouldn't make me cringe or anything. I would just sort of look at it more like, that's where I was.

A lot of the stuff that I said about women had really nothing to do with women. It had to do with the fact that I wanted to be married and wanted to have kids. I didn't know how to do it. I was too walled off. So that's like a really heavy thing to try to figure out in your 20s. So what you do is rather than, you know, I mean, I don't know. I didn't have the maturity to do that. So what I did was I lashed out at what I wanted instead and blamed them because that's way easier than trying to figure out yourself, maybe. I didn't have the maturity to do that, so what I did was I lashed out at what I wanted instead

and blamed them because that's way easier than trying to figure out yourself maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I would probably cringe at some of the shit that I said. Because I've heard comedians say, like, I'm a big proponent of therapy, but I've heard a lot of comedians say, I'll never go to therapy because I need this trauma.

Like, do you? Yeah. Well, get you here, it won't take you there. That's just where they are. I hope they trauma. Like, do you? Yeah. Well, guess you hear it won't take you there. That's just where they are. That's just where they are. I hope they get to look. Because it's just like, all right, so you want to be upset your whole life? You get one life. I don't believe in reincarnation.

You get one life. It's like you could be happy. You could make other people happy. You could help them out. You could do that. Or you could just go around taking out your childhood on other people, which is what the fuck I was doing. So.

Do you think about dying? You just said reincarnation. Yeah, but not in a bad way. I don't believe in an angry God, and I don't believe that he's gonna judge me. It's like you made me. Yeah. Did I fuck up?

Well, that's your mistake. Oh, Jesus. Well, I always equate it, if I built a car and it doesn't start up, I mean, am I gonna get mad at the engine? Yeah, but if you tell them, we put this type of gas in it and somebody puts something else in it and it fucks up, it's not the builder's fault. What? Never mind.

So you gotta say 90 percent. No, no, no, no, no. If you're building a car and you're telling somebody to do it this way and you decide to fuck the car up and put not put oil in it and put the wrong gas in it. Okay, so that's the devil analogy. Is that the devil analogy? No, I'm just talking. Because like my thing is...

Just talking. You just went reverse Henry Hill. I'm just listening. I'm just talking. I'm just... I just want to hear the sound of my voice. It's soothing to me. It's soothing to me to present ideas.

I do understand what you're saying though, because I think about that often. I don't believe in that devil shit. It's like, that's God's creation. You created that. Handle that. And there's a lot of things here that cause us to make poor choices. God makes sociopaths. He makes horrible people also. But for some reason with religion religion that's not God's responsibility and then these horrible people do horrible shit to kids and stuff and it messes them up and then they got to go out in the world and then they start you know being toxic or whatever it's I don't I believe in God but I don't necessarily believe in a loving God. Explain that. Well then why would he make all these horrible people?

People will say the devil got a kingdom and it's the devil's work. What's your religious background? Are you spiritual or are you religious? The difference is how you practice. Are you in church often or you just have your own faith journey with whoever you praise? I don't do any of that. Okay. I just try to be a good guy. And I don't know, I don't understand, even if you look at the animal world, okay,

he created all the animals too. The fact that there's just animals out there that their whole purpose is to be food, to be eaten alive like fucking rabbits. It's just like the patheticness of being a rabbit. That means God was thinking about us. Huh? That means God was thinking about us, our other creatures that need to eat. Explain bears. Just like why would you make something like that and they have an inability to kill something without starting to eat it first?

Like what I like about lions and tigers and shit is they have the decency to kill you before they start eating you. Whereas like a fucking bear just pounces on you and just starts fucking ripping meat out of your back like Leonardo DiCaprio. But that's only if you're in their environment. I know, but deer are. Why did deer have to go through that death? Why can't it just fucking kill the thing? Because deer are those animals' food. Like when you have to explain. I understand that, but why do they have to have such an agonizing...

If there's a loving God, why would he make something that's so fucking stupid? It has the ability to kill something. It just starts eating it. You want a Bible answer for that? Or y'all just discuss it? You got a Bible answer for that? Or y'all just discuss it? You got a Bible answer for him? Yeah, there is a conversation around. I think God is just being creative.

So. If you can make a bear, why wouldn't you? I think God is traumatized. And that's why the universe keeps expanding. He just keeps creating. There's something he's dealing with. So you think God is a rapid dog that needs to get put down by the millionaire?

No. No, I don't think that. Geez, that was the... Do you remember that fucking English guy? That awful head. The hell's his name? I can't remember his name. He's always saying shit like that.

He's saying you don't like babies. Is that what you're saying? Let me return. Charlamagne. Doesn't like babies. Bill Burr's like, how'd I get here? I just wanted to talk about my special. I keep going back and forth about it. Let me return. Charlamagne doesn't like babies.

Bill Burr's like, how did I get here? I just want to talk about my special. I keep going back to that one. My grandma glad I made the joke. It was just a callback, Bill. It's not that deep. I was just talking. Well, the first time.

We were just talking. We were just talking. The first time. The first time. No, no, no, no, no, no. The first time is a callback. No, this time is like we're talking. You get to three and four. That's an issue. You're making a point. What was I talking about? Bears and God. Alright, I want to hear you. I'm open to this. So, in the Bible. The way that this story goes in the Bible is that...

And Job said, the beareth shall molleth and start eatingeth. No. Especially if the deer is gayeth. You know what a gay deer means? It's sweet. How's it taste? I hate this place. All right.

What is the? You really want to know? Yeah. It interests me. I don't have any answers. Okay. What is the, uh... Um, you really want to know? Yeah, it interests me. I don't have any answers.

So I'll listen to any explanation. I was trying to look it up. So it's where it's at in the Bible. In Genesis, the sixth day God created animals, they were supposed to be companions for Adam, and they don't talk specifically about bears, but it was supposed to be about, broadly, about how man has this relationship with nature and like being able to like the dominion

over nature and things that are in this world. That's what it was. Originated for. We're not supposed to interact with it. We're supposed to dominate it. Is that what dominion means? Because what happens is, is Adam begin naming the animals and things of that nature, that's all I kind of-

Before Eve? I don't know if there's- I'm not trying to be a wise ass. Yes. What did that have to do with bears? You asked me why would God create bears if bears gonna do those things and I'm telling you where animals came into play in Genesis Okay You're welcome

You know, I do one after you one thing about comedy before we go. My guy Andrew Soltz. If you'd have told me, I would have engaged in that. I would have been like, wait, you didn't answer my question. I just went like, all right. She's still smiling. That's how it works. Do you really?

Afterwards, I'll talk to you like, what the fuck was that answer? We're all just talking, Bill. We started talking Genesis. I don't go to church. I thought you meant the band. Comedy, right? By the way, Phil Collins, one of the greatest drummers of all time. For your listeners, get an album, Brand X, if you're a music head. We know Phil Collins.

But you know, Sudio, you don't know that shit. Brand X, get that album. He's unbelievable on that album. Why? Why'd you decide on that? What made you think of that? What did that have to do with it? I mean, you mentioned Genesis.

Because I like playing drums, and there's people out there that just don't get the respect that they deserve. What happens is whatever business you're in, there's the public Mount Rushmore, and then there's the people that do it. Mount Rushmore the real ones so whenever people bring up the greatest drummers like his name doesn't get brought up enough I because I was just having get your drummer on. She brought up Genesis. Oh, the band.

Oh, got you, got you. That's what it is. Everybody just talk. That's what it is. God is not a loving guy. I'm just talking. So Phil Collins is on your Mount Rushmore. Yes, 100%.

Who else? Mount Rushmore has only four people. I can't do that. So I would say my greatest of all time, Tony Williams, close second, Elvin Jones, John Bonham, and then there's just Steve Gad, Vinny Carluda, Steve Jordan, Quest. He's acting like he knows any of them. He knows none of them.

I've never heard of none of these. Quest, all of these guys. There's just too many. What about Quest Love? I just said him. Quest. Oh, you got Quest Love? I just said him. Quest. Oh, you got Quest Love on your mind rushing more? Yeah, because it isn't just like playing drum solos

and all of that. It's like I watched him a bunch of- Oh, you were naming all drummers just now. I was naming the best. Yes. Got you. Got you. I saw Quest play at the SNL 50 years of music and the amount of genres and he just seamlessly you know

what I mean like there's a lot like I'm a rock drummer you know what I mean or I'm this drummer on that country drum whatever the hell it is there's very few people that can kind of speak all of those languages like fluently and it's still happening and they always talk about how the band is only as good as the drum like the drummer sucks the Band's gonna suck so to watch him Play with I mean I lost track that that night, but he played with everybody from like I think oh little Wayne was the actual broadcast, but I think he played with him that night little Wayne to share it's like if he's sitting in the drum chair,

like it's gonna be a great gig. And it's just like his encyclopedia knowledge of music. And also I gotta tell you, that edit that he made should have won an award for the 50 years of SNL music where like, you know, DJs, you know, they blend one song into another. He blended like, like the actual video footage. Like, and I was just sitting, I was talking to my buddy, my goal, like,

this editor, we were just blown away by it going, this is what happens when you get like a master musician DJ in an edit room with like film. I mean, he's just an incredible talent. So yeah, I would have him on that. He's definitely the best. And drummers actually used to get laid a lot? Because remember somebody always be like, you're the drummer son. Well, I never made it out of my parents' basement. So like, you know. Yeah. And I was also, no, I had orange hair. I was introverted. No, it was a barren wasteland for me for a while. So like comedy was the thing. Comedy was the first thing that I did that I felt like I didn't have to look to see what was the first thing that I did that I felt like I didn't have to look to see what are other people doing. I mean I had to learn from people but

I just felt like I was something that, oh this is something that I might have a talent for with like drums, you know, no matter how much I played I would go to like a music store and I would see some eight-year-old and I could just see he had it. He was already expressing his ideas on the kit and I was more doing drums rather than playing drums. Well, I'm glad you found your gift, Bill. And the world is glad you found your gift. Okay. I never know, dude. You got a poker face. What you mean? Come tell if that was sarcasm. No.

No, I'm serious. I'm glad you found your gift. It just was a roundabout way for us to end here. You bring people joy with your comedy. You make people laugh for a living. And you make people think. Well, hey, I mean, if that's what happens, it does. All I'm trying to do is make you laugh for an hour. That's all I'm trying to do.

Bill Burr, ladies and gentlemen. All right. You said you had one more question. I was just waiting for it. You forgot. I like the drama stuff. You said you want billionaires to be put down. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Burr.

Who would think that that would be a controversial take? Everybody. I mean, put down? I like compassionate capitalism. If you're a piece of shit person, period, regardless of what your financial status is, we probably can do it out you. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. All right, this is my impression of Bill Gates eating an apple in his house. Wait a minute, is this one of mine? Bill Burr, ladies and gentlemen, drop dead years out now on Hulu. You know what I mean? He's not going to eat the food he's making us eat. I get it. Yeah.

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