The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Brandon Marshall & Cam Newton Talk Athletic Impact, NFL Fines, Sports Betting, Mental Health + More

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

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Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got some special guests joining us today. Man, legends, trendsetters.

We got Brandon Marshall. He's been up here numerous times. Yep. And we got the brother, Cam Newton. Welcome, brother. You did. How you feeling? Man, nothing short of amazing. If I i was any better i'd be a twin

man it's so good to see what y'all are doing you know brandon you know you were early on with the podcast and what i am athlete cam you don't like to call it a podcast you like to say you got a show it's a show bro with funky with funky friday how has the transition been from football to media personality yeah from athlete to personality cool so uh my transition was smooth and i i mean cam's one of those guys as well you know in the peak of our career we already started doing what we are doing now like my thing was i wanted my post career to already be solidified you know in a way so i spent an entire off season 2014 at harvard built on a case study on uh uh transition and what came out of that was content and commerce and so i've been on that path like just trying you know succeeding failing

doing some big stuff you know some dumb stuff so like my transition was smooth like i started my transition literally when i was having my pro bowl days you know that's 2014. so i always tell younger dudes like you look keep the main thing the main thing for the first couple of years and then once you solidify in in ball then you start shadowing people then you start reading those books and then you start it before you leave because when you leave they don't care mm-hmm they don't give a damn if I had media they don't care about the random Marshall that's changed though that's changed like what I mean by that is when you say like keep the main thing the main thing like you got athletes that's in their prime that's still

keeping media at its forefront and I I said it earlier, it's like going out of days where we needed major networks to get our narrative out and doing it in a way that I've vowed and really took a, like, I want to be a voice of my people, my kind. And that's bigger than just race. Like, if you feel how I feel, you're my kind. If you can relate to what I relate to, you're my kind. And, you know, having this platform to be able to, you know,

really call bullshit on certain things, but also empower on the other side too, all the while being entertaining. And my fear was going on a major network and being muzzled it's like nah bro like that ain't me though you know I'm saying like I I know I want to appease to the people in in Bankhead just the same as the people in Buckhead you feel me like you can't try to remove that because that's a part of me so I think now in media we're in the golden age of athlete-generated content. And it's something that's healthy.

Now we can call bullshit on a lot of people that just say, hold on, hold on, hold on. What gives you the right to make that? And I can't. Okay, you feel this type of way about certain things, but I really did it, though. I know how Dak Prescott feels. I know how Lamar Jackson feels. I went to the Super Bowl. I was a Pro Bowl player. I know how Dak Prescott feels. I know how, you know, Lamar Jackson feels. I went to the Superbowl. I went,

I was a pro bowl player. I was all pro, but what you got a journalism degree. So when you, when you hold their feet to the fire and say like, no bro, whether you agree with what I'm saying or not, mine should be more justified because I actually have live reps in,

in battle. battle lived experience. Come on. Yeah. I was going to ask, you know, how do you feel when you when you hear, especially when you see when you look at all the places that you name to talk about football or talk about sports? And a lot of these people never played the sport. Right. Most of you brothers been doing this is three years old. Right. Over and over again. I got two sons. So I know what the commitment is. Even though I don't play. Yeah, I know is six's six days a week game you know five days a week game so when you hear these brothers talk about what you should have done or how the place should have no no no no no you know you and i got into it with a journalist on my platform and then you know i'm like damn we built this to protect the athlete and it'd be a safe space but also hold them accountable but it's like

we go out there and we say well that prescott just threw his third interception okay well tell me about whose fault those interceptions were well the receiver ran a five yard hitch route but he was really supposed to run this so Dak is dropping back holding the safety down the middle and then throwing the ball off a truss and And the receiver didn't do his job. But we out there on TV and we just saying stuff just to make up stuff and do numbers. And my problem is with the players, though. The players that ain't – that's being lazy. Like, bro, you sat in them seats and you know.

You can't go out there and say – give this hard take. You got to be able to say, look, I don't know their assignment. I don't know if it was the receiver or the quarterback but if it was the quarterback this is what should have happened we just out there just saying stuff just to say stuff sometimes I've never seen you bite your tongue on inside the NFL though Brandon well I mean I feel like that's why I'm always in trouble was because you know I'm saying you think about and I never forget this when I got to inside the NFL on Showtime, did that for 10 years. And I'm like, I heard a producer say, like, define your seat.

Like, what's your seat? I'm like, my seat. And I was like, oh, once I understood it, I was like, oh, my seat is to get a player's perspective. And I'm always going to do that. So I'm not going to go out there and say this receiver suck. I'm going to say, well, from my perspective as a receiver, da, da, da, da, da. Cam, did you ever get those opportunities to be on those major sports networks or you just said fuck it i'm

gonna do my own thing i challenged my uh agent carlos fleming at wme when i was a rookie prior to me coming into the league and i told him i never want to be a sports analyst and it's your job to make sure that i have enough opportunity when I leave the game of football that I can do whatever I want to do. Why? Why? Didn't you? Because I knew I didn't want to, like I said, I didn't want to be muzzled.

I've always stood on how I felt, you know, but every time I say something, people get distracted off of why he dress like that though. But why he talk like that? I'm not going to lie. Everybody in this room was like, what is Cam going gonna wear to the breakfast club today everybody was thinking that before but they they get personal but they miss the the point that I made you know what I'm saying I should be clean to me though I I'm not a dresser but when I'll be like Cam look like he got his own style going on it's fly no but this is the thing though like I never wanted to look

like any other body like nobody I never wanted to look like any other, like, nobody. I never wanted to look like y'all niggas. Respectfully, though. Like, I'm not the dude that's going to stand out or stand in a line for a shoe release. But there's no disrespect to the people who do. I'm never going to be the person where he's like, oh, that's the new collection from blah, say, blah. Right.

I'm not that. You know, it was just like, bro, first off, we didn't have a lot of money growing up. And I pay attention to the details. So the pocket squares, the lapel pins, the socks, the watch, the rings, the, you know. Top hat. You got to come up with a lot of top hats. I ain't glad.

I do. It's Mashika hats right now based in Bozeman, Montana, as well as Venice Beach, California. Still waiting on mine. Oh. Still waiting on mine. You still ain't seen me your size bro stop where can people get your size Cam come on I am athlete I swear true story every time you talk about your brand bro I'm like damn I still ain't get my hat he came on I'm athlete bro y'all measured my hat my head and you said you was gonna send it out this is when you first dropped the line so you see what you're doing right now you're holding me accountable and Cam

Newton and media right now that's all I want to do is hold everybody hold nobody accountable you missed the play no you said I'm talking about your brand we get more airtime off the brand. Cam said stop the cap, about the caps Brandon. I'm trying to see how many sales we get off the hat. Meshika has M-E-S-H-I-K-A hats. And then, you know, we can make it do what it do. Can I ask a question? I know this is Breakfast Club and this is y'all's show.

How y'all doing? Less black and highly favored. I felt like that talk. Like, damn, did we ask the brothers how they was doing? We did. We did. Yeah, but no, this is a real, you know, I don't know what y'all want to do with it, but how you doing? I'm doing well. y'all want to do with it, but how are you doing?

I'm doing well. You're doing good. I'm doing well. Right, because, you know, as athletes and also media, we know, you know, not everybody know. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes we won't have those type of conversations. So I just wanted to ask you how you was doing. I'm doing well.

And the thing that makes me do so well is family. The first thing you said to me when I walked in here was how's our boy doing and that's what we need to do more now of course it's not your boy but it's our boy it's like a village raised him if you don't know i sent my son out to your facility out there they train for a day or whatever it may be but that's what we need to do more of to make sure we checking up on each other now and i appreciate that but my family makes me feel so well everything else on the outside is noise when I come home and I got the love of them six kids the love of my wife and when you go through things you appreciate that more absolutely you know I'm saying that and

that and the reason why I open it up because y'all y'all are the pioneers y'all y'all Lee y'all built in the blueprints and the templates for us to follow and we follow and we watching and so even like this open seat you know and and that type of talk it's like you know y'all it's like it's a lot to it and you got to stay strong you got to always stay positive so that's why i wanted to ask how y'all thank you but if we return the favor how you guys doing i mean both of you brothers are going through a lot good good and i'm possibly negative you have a another child on the way congratulations the new show i seen you clapping back at a journalist that i i guess he gave you like a backhand compliment and you was like my nigga don't give me a backhand but now now this

media revolution has given me the the the volume to speak on that. A lot of times we always talk, but our volume was not as high as it is today. You know what I'm saying? So I think, and it was just like, I heard what he said and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And it puts some respect on you.

I love that he rewinded it and everything. Let me tell you what you're not gonna do though. Cause a lot of people, they just judge you off of the NFL, but bro, I'm a five star athlete out of high school national championship in college but when you talk about that that's that's cocky like hold on bro like no don't don't talk about that it's like bro i got all that to tell you what i've done but all you got to tell me is i've been covering this sport for how many like bro i've been playing this sport for that many years too you see what i'm saying so go back and get that degree but you can't sport for that many years too you see what i'm saying so

go back and get that degree but you can't go i got my degree too yeah so what are you talking about so everything that you got i got too and but you're gonna you're gonna suppress what i my take on certain things and you're gonna try to change the goalposts to say you're trying to make it a dac and cam thing this is not that i a big fan of Dak, just like so many other people are. It's a me and you, Jason, issue here. It's like, bro, I'm in your field now. That is about to be mine because I can do what you do, but you could never do what I do.

When you take that tone and sentiment, he's bitter. He's angry. And we got to stop that. I've seen what this guy was able to do for so many years and just hold people accountable just ask the question simple how was it really like that though hold up what like hold on whether how petty somebody would make it believe or what not it's still accountability and you're gonna have to speak on it. And that's what I appreciate most about The Breakfast Club because we knew you were going to be held accountable,

and we knew somebody was going to ask the question that we all wanted to know. So when I do Funky Friday, when I do 4th and 1, I'm not just speaking from a fan's perspective or the viewer's perspective. I'm really asking because I owe a service to my audience. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

And once you understand that, that's me studying. That's me being a student of the game. That's me understanding like, yo, how does Breakfast Club stay on air and relevant air for so many years? God. Word up.

I don't think there's any other explanation for it because a lot of times platforms like this would have been gotten out the way. Been pushed out the way. Absolutely. I wanted to ask you, but how do y'all feel like what y'all are doing is disrupting what's happening in traditional sports networks? Because I feel like I watch it and I'm like, the language is changing. The way a lot of these people are trying to talk on these platforms is changing.

And I know it's because of what athlete-driven podcasts are doing. It's a huge opportunity for us. And this is internal language, and I always say it's next-gen ESPN. So next-generation ESPN. It's just not a safe spot. Even what Cam was just saying about Breakfast Club, it's how you ask the question and how you hold your people accountable. And so we do the same thing.

I did it with Cam. Cam playing for the patriots this is one of our first epic uh uh episodes we got millions of views and he coming off and there's he you know you're throwing the ball in the dirt a little bit that's okay bro okay and so but he's dealing with a shoulder injury yeah make the point everybody thought y'all had beef when y'all did the conversation i remember that yeah yeah but no it was the tough one and I was like damn I gotta ask the question is like are you done and I'm like bro how's your shoulder feeling bro cuz you know you and he went into and he explained himself and then he had a legendary moment said't 32 better than me man we sold t-shirts off of that right so you know it was how it's how you ask the question so it's a safe space and there's a lot of people built in podcasts but are you built in platform platform is like building teams you

have to have a monetization strategy etc etc so there's a huge opportunity for those out there that want to figure that out in sports. Y'all can't play the 11th season, right? Yes, sir. Randy, you played 13. That's a lifetime in the NFL. Do y'all feel like y'all were fulfilled? Hell yeah.

Okay. But this is the thing that I will ask as sports fans. What's more important, Envy? Is it championships or impact? Ooh. For me? Yeah. My favorite NBA player is Allen Iverson, so I would say impact.

Never won a ring. Come on now. That's my favorite player, though. I think you have to have a healthy combination of both. No, no, no. I don't think it's an either or. No, this is an either or. You have to have a healthy combination of both. No, no, no. I don't think it's an either or. No, this is an either or. You have to. I can't let you straddle.

Okay, okay. When you're thinking about your favorite athletes, right, or if you were an athlete, what would you be more keen to saying? When it's all said and done, I want to have more championships or I want to be able to sit on my impact, what's felt? Neither. Neither.

Hold on, bro. Neither. I have to say it's a combination of two. And the reason I have to say it's a combination of two because the championships will keep you out of the GOAT conversations often. Like people as great as Allen Iverson is, shifted culture, one of the best to ever do it, he's not mentioned in that rare era

of the Michael Jordans, the Magic Johnsons, the LeBron James. This is what I'll say to that. There are so many different determining factors in sports. You know, big shot, without Robert Ory hitting certain shots, does Kobe have as many? You know what I'm saying? Steve Kerr, like,

Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, those guys did their job so that we can acknowledge Michael Jordan to be the best. But they don't even get in those positions without the Michael Jordans

and the Kobe. That's understandable. But if Adam Vinatieri misses one of those field goals, do we really acknowledge Tom Brady as the GOAT? We would never know. But I'm saying a lot of those things went right

for us to be able to say championships is key. Now, what you can't deny is impact. Impact is more self-worthy statistics that's like, yo, oh okay, I see what, like Tom Brady changed the game. Okay, Peyton changed the game. Allen Iverson, LeBron changed, Kobe, Michael Jordan changed the game.

But that's still not to say, like with my situation, I never won a Super Bowl. I was in the game. If certain determining factors happen, will we, like if we had to pick six, nothing that I did but something that the defense did, that gives me my championship. Is it fair to compare the NBA and NFL though?

Because I feel the NFL degree of difficulty is different. It's still sports. The who degree of difficulty? I feel like the NFL degree of difficulty is different. Is it harder? I think it's harder. I think it's harder. Okay. Yeah, I think it's harder than the NBA.

Because with Barry Sanders, right, we know Barry Sanders is an all-time great running back. Probably top three, top four. But we don't even worry about rings when it comes to Barry Sanders. I don't know if the NFL, and when I think about the NFL, I don't know if I think about the championships as much yeah but even you put Barry Sanders on the St. Louis Rams at the time when they had you know Marshall Fogg greatest show on turf see I'm saying yeah like we may not he may not have had the ball as much but his impact is still felt but he's around or surrounded by a different type of team.

And I'm not sure if one player impacts an NFL team as much as one player impacts an NBA team. Well, you're right what you're saying, but there is a position. That's the quarterback position. Like, if you ain't got the guy, it's hard. It's hard on everybody. You don't think the quarterback position to me is the most important position in all the sports. Yes, correct.

Quarterback position in football is the mega star in basketball. And that position can be the center, guard, forward or whatever. But that impact is still felt. Anywhere LeBron goes, he can go to the Detroit Pistons,

and that's going to garner a lot of people to say, okay, I want to go to Detroit. That's a game changer. See what I'm saying? Like what Aaron Rodgers was able to do for New York Jets fans this year, the preseason was exciting. It was like, oh, my God, it was a wave in Jersey or New York that we never really felt before, you know, since the Joe Namaths.

Or let me take that back. The Rex Ryan era when they were winning, right? I used to play for the Jets now. Watch your mouth now. That was always the era. You missed it. You missed it. You know what I'm saying?

But the hype, that's pretty much what I'm saying. So, you know, when you got guys that have that star power, usually in football it is the quarterback. Who's the guy? You know, you try to draft him. You typically can't go and trade for a quarterback unless you're giving up the kitchen sink. But that's just the nature of really the sport.

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the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now it's such an interesting conversation because even I think about somebody like Peyton Manning, right? Did he really have an impact on those rings? He won with the Broncos? Absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. He was able to, what was it, 2013 or 14, when he had Bebe, rest in peace, and those statistics, I think he threw for like 52 touchdowns in that one season. Call it whatever you want. The footballs never had a spiral, but they was getting to the destination you know with the tracker on it

you dig what i'm saying he couldn't hand it off better than it you know in that spectrum but yes you know he was he was as an elite as we've ever seen so much elite that even with me acknowledging or describing game changers there's game changers in media right game changer game changer this show is a game changer why because when you have networks to say you are the compared target hey i don't know what we got to do what we got to go get us another breakfast club i don't know what we got to do we got to go draft us another uh peyton manning i don't know what we we got to find us another lebron james even if't know, we gotta find us another LeBron James.

Even if somebody says, this show is better than The Breakfast Club, it's still The Bar. That's, a game changer in any commodity is the standard or The Bar. And when you're compared to certain things, it's not to say that your show still isn't good. There's shows out there that's still good, but they ain't the bar.

It may be some things that they do good, but it's still not like, okay, let's see how long can you do this for? Like, is this just a run? You know, just like artists. Like artists come out with a good album. It's like, whew, that was flames. And all of a sudden they drop a second and third. It's like, hold on, but was it flame?

Those game changers as musical artists is like, okay, banger after banger. He had a couple slip and slide songs, but other than that, these were the ones. So it doesn't matter what the commodity is, my point is, there's still game changers in that. You were definitely a game changer. Did your career feel incomplete without a Super Bowl?

No. That's what people don't understand. And you could never say that while playing. And that's what we have the capabilities of doing now. It's like, you know how so many people have runs or they are dominant players, you know, and they don't have rings or will never be in a position to have a ring. Look at Brandon Marshall.

Never went to the playoffs. But you don't necessarily know that. You know him as the dominant football player. And I'm saying to myself, it's like, well, while he's playing, he could never say like, man, I got to do my best to either be an all pro or a pro bowl because my team is not good enough for us to be in the Super Bowl. You got fans. You got to worry about the deals. You got to worry about the coaches, the continuity. You got to worry about.

But it's real information. You know what I'm saying? It's like this seat. Like we got to find somebody that's going to hold their own. Like we just can't bring out no regular person. Like I need somebody to challenge

the greatness of me. I need somebody to challenge the great and it got to mesh, right? And if we're able to go viral, if we're able to still do numbers and I really ain't got my shit off yet, don't worry about it. You bringing out the best

in me. So next show, I got you. Let me ask you a question. You know, both of you guys retired. What is your thoughts? I have not retired. You have not retired? No, sir. You just said you want to play for the Falcons. Yeah, I haven't, but to your point. So you do want to play football again?

If the right opportunity. The Falcons. You said that's the only team. I saw that a couple days ago. Yeah, it makes sense. I got kids, bro. Would you take another job outside of New York? Probably not outside of New York.

See what I'm saying? It's like, bro, I got soon to be eight kids. Take pride in that. I love that. Love being a dad. Can't wait to go home today to be able to take my daughter to tennis practice. Best feeling ever. Oh, my goodness.

And I'm that dad, too. Everybody knows, like, okay, we don't got to guess who his son is. Like, yeah! God damn it, Chosen! That's my boy! You know what I'm saying? I'm there. That's me.

And I'm on his ass when we working out. He's eight. You know what I'm saying? My son, Chyna China, like Jaden. He's like he's getting accepted in schools. Yeah, motherfucker. Hey. Same way.

Come on. Like not just the UGAs or the Kentuckys. This is the FAMUs and the Howards and the Hamptons. And I'm excited for all both of them. You know, for them all. So that's where you got to start taking into consideration. It's like, bro, I can't go to play in Seattle. Great team, great organization, but I can't do that.

I mean, it's a time difference. You know, my kids got, you know, technical devices that they want to call you. Daddy, where you at? That's right. So they need a coach, too. So what coach would you want to play for in atlanta yeah that's your question man i was glad we see if belichick get the job

look i said what i said all right if you want to if you if you still want to you know see what i have to say about this particular topic tune in in to 4th at 1 next week. There you go. Perfect. Because we're going to definitely talk about it. Do you still have it in you? Hold on, hold on. I was asking about football being, we've seen the transition of football, how it's changed, right?

And to myself, who's not a player, who hasn't played, it seems like it got softer, right? It seems like I've never seen quarterbacks flop until recently where a quarterback will fall on the floor, kickers will fall on the floor because they want the extra yards. I've never seen shit like that before in my life. But you're seeing that more. You're seeing it more in the NBA. What is your, both of your positions on the NFL and do you think

it's getting a lot softer? Do you think it's ruining the game? Do you think it's helping in the game because it's protecting players? What's your thoughts? I'm going to get there. But that was a'm gonna get there. But that was a vet move right there. Cause he was about to just throw a grenade and just wait for that sound bite to happen. It's coming back.

By just saying, but do you really got it in you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just sit back. But that's a vet move. Physically, you gotta learn that. But physically you look like, I'm talking about mentally and emotionally. Do you still wanna go out there and do that?

That grind? I could. And we were just having this conversation. What I miss most about being in the NFL is the routine. Those, those, those, the continuity,

you know, things where, you know, you just shooting the shit in the locker room. Bro, y'all seen your boy B Marsh, bro. Look at this outfit that he got on. Look at this fool. Like he got caught last night, you know you just shooting the shit in the locker room probably y'all seen your boy be Marsh bro look at this outfit that he got oh look at his food like he got caught last night you know like these things is is still locker room talk safe space and it's still accountability but to the point

envy is I think it's not soft it's safe and when you think about it from the shield when you think about it from the shield, when you think about it from these NBA people who are making the decisions, the game is better with the Patrick Mahomes in it. The game is better with Lamar Jackson in it. The game is better with Odell in it. If they're hurt or if Odell retires and he then says, CTE, I'm having withdrawals and I can't

walk straight my back that's not a good look for these major conglomerate businesses that they are forced and if they are smart to be able to say hold on hold on we're gonna make this game safer call it soft we're making it safer we need the longevity of our players while they're playing and after they're playing and that's really what it is last night we was with uh the commissioner roger caddell and we spent about an hour with him just talking about some some of these things very casual and one things he did he lit up he was like oh the game is so good right now. Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he lit up on that. And we started talking about that. And, you know, from his perspective, it is safer, but also the business is booming.

You know? It will always boom. And I always push back on players to talk about, you know, how soft it is because it's like, yo, all that tough guy stuff is irrelevant when you 60 and you dealing with the things that cam just described like i'm tired of seeing some of my boys 40 years old and they can barely walk up the steps replacements it's like protecting each other out there like let's go get our money let's compete at a high level and i was a guy came through the era too where we was really getting after it you know ray lewis take Lewis trying to take my head off and the Ed Rees and the Troy Palomaro's of the world. Monsters.

But I'm like, no, it makes sense. And I changed my game halfway through where the first couple years I would crack back, remember the crack back block? Yeah, illegal now. I'm gonna take the dude's head off, the cleat him, hit feet above his head, all of that. And then I was in a game plan against Buffalo,

running down on kickoff, one of my homies hit a tight end, Everett, but he used to play for the UM. And now he paralyzed, can't walk. And after that, I would just, like, stop that. What I would do is I would come back on a crack block, and I would see, like, say Ray Lewis. I'm like, yay, yay, yay, yay.

Ray Lewis turned around, like, let's start it up. Boom. All right, I did my job. You did your job, right? And we good. We go home. That's dope. That's y'all looking out for each other yeah now everybody do it yeah but you know you we had i don't remember who we had up here but he said it was uh more difficult because now he has to think before he hits like i can't hit the quarterback here and it makes him instead of just

naturally tackling or naturally doing something he overthinks in some way who was it i think it was michael jr probably yeah it was michael jr he said now i have to overthink before i make the play and sometimes that makes me miss the play that's right listen and i always i'm on the other side of barn wide receiver but the defensive guys they're in a tough spot and so like when i'm when i get an opportunity to be a part of like these discussions and talk about the rule changes and what's next and listen to what the NFL is talking about. I'm always saying, like, take care of our guys too because it ain't fair to them.

They come in and they can't hit high, they can't hit low, they hit in the wrong place, and now they find $50,000. That's ridiculous. So it is tough for the defensive backs. I guess, Cam, a better question I would ask you, you know, it's in you, but what's the motivation other than money? It is money the motivation. That's it.

I mean, I'm good. I'm good. And that's what they can't stand to know. Like there's going to be, so I was reading the comments and somebody said, bro, Cam Newton acting like he's good enough to demand where he's going to go. That's going to be my next question. Like, what do you say to people who say who the hell does Cam think he is

to act like he has choices? That's cool. With who he plays for. But hey, dumbass, whoever talked about it, you know, I'm good. Whether I go back to the league or not, I can say I use the game of football

for my good because I have not played in three years. But my name is still relevant because of media. Checkmate. Gotcha. And that's all it is. And you're going to keep hearing me because now I've identified the power of influence. I've understand the power of entertainment. I've understood the power of entertainment i've understood the power of just like yo i want to see what he has to say and while doing that i've been able to create

iconic saga my production company and i was telling telling marsh like i i had an opportunity where somebody tried to sign you know me as a talent I'm like bro I'm a couple million away from being your number one competitor because I don't need the money my company is not funded by Cam Newton's personal money it's his own entity you know when you look at those checks, it says iconic saga. It doesn't say Cam Newton. You know what I'm saying? So that is something where I'm trying to sustain or have a solid foundation

and knowing that with the proper deals that comes in. I'm not paying my, I'm not putting my car or buying a car for your car show. You know what I'm saying? It's like I already had that. Football gave me that. But also football has also given me the capital to invest in the things that I care about. And knowing that what I made in the NFL is not going to be enough for my lifetime. Now it's time for me to get smart enough to throw a grenade out there and say, yeah, I

play for Atlanta. Really saying to myself, like, gotcha. Y'all keeping me relevant still, you know what I'm saying? And just doing it. Have teams reached out to you to play, though? Yes, but it wasn't worth talking about. It's like, what are we, what?

Coming for what? No. I already felt a certain type of way with going back to New England, seeing myself, seeing Newton on another color jersey. It felt weird. Like I was prepared. This is what people don't understand.

I was prepared to retire when I first got cut. Wow. Just because you didn't want to leave Carolina? I never did. And that's why I hurt so much. It was like I wanted to end my career similar to the Eli Manning's the Ben Roethlisberger they had that right to do you know and even for a Tom Brady he could say like no no no let's let's

hey let's come together you don't want me here I don't you know the circumstances whatever they are let Let's do it honorable Mm-hmm same like at Matthew Stafford. Mm-hmm. I had that option. Did you say yo, bro like and And to them they may say nobody wanted you fine, it's still too but I'm Alert to understand like I was in a good position then and then going back to get that and then going back to get that again okay you know I wonder why did it seem like you know you let the Panthers to the Super Bowl now yeah you let the Panthers

to the Super Bowl man you would by far the blackest quarterback I ever see like the dabbing you know future GZ at games the white people was complaining yeah the next year you came back a little bit more subdued yeah what was the reason um i don't know i don't know i wouldn't necessarily say subdued you know but there were it was just more commercials yeah you know what i'm saying like they they put that mainstream on me and then you know certain situations happened, and I still was reminded I'm still a nigga. So you turned it down a little bit on purpose.

It wasn't that I was turned it down. It just happened that way. I lost the deal because there was things in the media about my personal life. Everybody goes through it. When you have a breakup, I lost a deal like that. And the next week, they got another black quarterback,

Dak Prescott. Wow. You know, and I'm like, yo. But it didn't match their aesthetic. And they have the power to do that. Now, if you do the fine print, they send you a whole contract that's, they're basically saying,

we're going to pay you $1.5 dollars and they're going to explain all the things in this 50 page contract and it's just like no just get me to the last one okay i'll sign it cool boom but that contract really is an at will basis you do anything that we don't damn agree with we can snip you and replace you. And once I started understanding that, it was like, yo, how am I impacting my community though? How am I like, how do I give my son hope to be able to say something that that's how you feel? Stand on that. You know what I'm saying? And there ain't no disrespect to the buckets, but it's like,

everybody knows what I mean. Like I want to appe disrespect to the buckheads, but it's like everybody knows what I mean. Like, I want to appease to the bankhead. Word up. Not the buckhead. Word. Because I do more by that because everywhere that I go, question last night, bro, they really love you in Charlotte? Charlotte, I can go anywhere. Hell yeah.

It's a respect thing because when I see a black person or I see a person of my kind and they say what's up to me, yo, one finger, one pinky, one thumb, one love. Yeah, bro, one love. What's good with it? How y'all doing, man? Y'all good? Y'all straight? I'm used to those type of toxic atmospheres and I thrive in those where we shooting dice, playing poker.

You know what I'm saying? Or just at the bar, it's like, bro, I'm good. We straight. It's a respect thing. My man, you good? You got an issue bar, it's like, bro, I'm good. We're straight. It's a respect thing. My man, you good? You got an issue? Hey, come on. Hey, around on me.

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. When y'all get to that height, both of y'all, y'all been to that height, both of y'all, you know, y'all been to the top of the NFL. Do you feel a pressure to keep it ultra black? Because there was times when they used to get mad at your dabbing, Cam. You dabbed more.

Yeah. But not only that, though, like I look at the league now, and I'm like, damn, I would get fined for certain things that they do now. This man is the creation of my cause my cleats but the NFL ain't never wrote him a check for that they gonna repurpose it in a different way but he got fined for wearing the lime green

mental health awareness and I got proof there's multiple people that told me that and the NFL is making billions of dollars off of that, my cause, my cleats. They have unbelievable testimonials by my cause, my cleats. But the person who was fined for that, he didn't even get reimbursed for his fines. It was just like, oh, and by the way, listen, like our forefathers.

How do you feel brandon um well first i i think like to answer your question you you know people look at me like you crazy wow he this and that and it's not that it's really disruption and it's like you know everybody's like stand on business and it's like i always felt like I'm going to go with my gut. And so my cause, my cleat, that was that. It was like this doesn't make sense to me. I'm wearing lime green cleats. I'm playing on Thursday night football against the Jets,

playing against the Giants in Chicago, and we're probably going to reach half a billion homes. And we did. And after that, I probably, that was one of the reasons why I got traded to the Jets. But think about it. Now I'm a bad teammate. You know, I do my own thing.

I'm selfish, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm walking back with the owner, the McCaskies, and he's like, yeah, the way you wore your socks and those line green cleats, you can never do that again. Did they even ask you what it was for? No, they knew because it was mental health awareness week so all week we was doing everything we had all the buildings lit up in chicago new york lime green and we was doing events and i was saying like i'm wearing these lime green cleats and they're probably going to find me and i'm a match to find

and we'll put it whatever and so the day the day of the game uh nfl official walks up knocks on the door we stand at the hilton down on the michigan f and they're like yeah if you wear those cleats uh we're not gonna allow you to go on the field what and i said well y'all tell the fans why y'all y'all why i'm not playing today and i shut my door right and then everybody owners everybody hitting me up and i sat in my room i said i'm going through my regular routine so anyways i wore the lime green cleats um and it took off and and then after that i would fly to new york and i would meet with them and then this is the commissioner you know i i'm friendly with the commissioners my guy

and one day we sitting in the circle he's like i'm tired of this kid coming in here talking about this and that and nothing's happening get it done and he walked out and then boom i caused my cleats so with no credit to you no credit or nothing to show for it outside of an attaboy this is what i would say also too i got another situation too i don't want to say that because i don't want to say that because i don't want to leave that out like that give me give me give me two sentences d'angelo williams was the cure for cancer. His mom, rest in peace, he wanted to wear pink. He had pink dreads for his mom. Now, he probably didn't get as fine as Brandon did, but now you have my cause, my cleats, and then the October breast cancer

awareness month, the pink. But these are players who have the ability to say, hold up, this means something to me. And now the NFL, you can't blame them for saying, hold on, this is a dope-ass idea. Let's see how much we can raise for this. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't want to leave it out there like that because you're right. Everybody right.

You know, there should have been more opportunities, and there can be more opportunities. I think it was like year three they came back around. We did like a 30-second spot at commercial, whatever. You know, and I wasn't looking at it that way. I was looking at how much money, you know, the cancer community was generating off of Breast Cancer Awareness Week in the NFL. But then I'm looking at like, damn, there's 36 million Americans impacted by cancer,

but there's 120 million Americans affected by mental health. What can the NFL do? How much money can be generated for profit, non-profit in this community? So I was looking at from a business perspective. And so, yeah, they gave me a little recognition from like putting out a commercial doing that but it was all about the money you know it was about how did it get how do we get these resources that's like you're like you're you're you're you're something your mental health summit like that's what i was looking at like okay y'all funding all these other places but you got charlamagne doing some amazing things in this space let's take 10 million and put it over here. Let's take $10 million. Let's take it to Dak Prescott. But this is what I would say.

So there's opportunities. But if you know when you're dealing with large corporations like that and establishments like that, it can take time. So, like, I got that. Like, when I call, they answer, and I go in there. And it's going to take time. But there's going to be some major deals. Like the biggest partner in the NFL, C Cigna and they don't activate but they got they trying

to focus on mental health who else better to do it with than you right absolutely so I say that because it's going to happen and when you building something and you see it it may take 5, 10, 15 years but when it break through it's's gonna break through in a major way. You know, I wanted to ask you too, Brandon, you took like a sabbatical, right? Because I saw you had kind of disappeared and then you came back on social media. What was that about?

Be good, little lady. So sabbatical, like look, I've invested all of my football money. I made over $100 million, right? So then you got to do after taxes, all of that. I've invested all of my football money into that case study that we talked about earlier at Harvard, content and commerce. And so it's going to take time.

And, you know, I've made some mistakes. I've learned in real time, but I see it. Everything that I'm doing today is built off of that case study. I'm not doing anything different. And so, you know, where I've been over the last two years, I've had guys that people come on the platform and we weren't fully aligned. I didn't know how to lead at times. I may have said the wrong thing at times, but I was like, here's the vision. Here's the five-year roadmap. And so getting there has been a little bumpy over the last year or two. And so what I needed to do was, one, look myself in the mirror and say,

okay, how are you contributing to this? And two, it's like, all right, bro, fuck the product. Excuse my language. Get the paper right bro the product excuse my language get the paper right right the people right and then the process we know how to do content I know how to go viral that ain't it it's bigger than that it's bigger than the podcast we have an opportunity to be the next generation ESPN and so I think to get there I had to go on that sabbatical, which I'm still kind of there. Like, I'm almost like an artist in his last, he has delivered one last album, right? And it's like, I'm putting out content because I have a contract, right?

And I'm making a lot of money a month to do this. But the reality is, I don't want to put out content right now. I want to get the paper right, the people, and then the process. And so that's where I'm at right now i want to get the paper right the people and then the process and so that's where i'm at right now bro but like i said i had to start with me looking myself in the mirror meditating uh every day um doing yoga every day you know still taking care of myself and a lot of things came up um a lot of trauma that i never dealt with you you know. You know, we're talking about 10 years. Like, damn, I'm still carrying that? And so, yeah, that's where I've been, bro.

So I'm still in that process, but I'm excited about, you know, the vision still. Did what happened with I Am Athlete, because I think I read that you put yourself in $12 million debt with I Am Athlete? No, not, see, see, see, see, see. You see that language you just using? But you notice, you just quick right there.

But that's a big point. In our community, we say $12 million in debt, or is it $12 million investment? Got you, got you, got you. Because, you know, year three, you do 10.5. In my, that's a unicorn. Amazon was, what, in the red for how many years that's right that's right but still worth how much right so you got to understand venture you got to

understand the game so that's what i'm doing and studying and watching the books i'm reading is on venture it's on the perfect pitch and so yes it's 12 million investment did that trigger anything in you that did that bring up anything from the past? Because when I look at I Am Athlete, I look at it as almost like an incubator. Because so much amazing talent has come through there. And going on, you see the pivots. You see Ocho Cinco doing what he's doing. And that's one of those things.

How do you retain talent? How do you structure deals? So that's the other challenge where people don't understand. We are new media. So what does that mean? We're the ones that's gonna take, we're on the front line, we're gonna take the hits. But when you sit down, like I had,

like I got some cool people to always check on me, like Nori will hit me up every couple of, like every month or so and just like, how you doing, you good? He hit me up two weeks ago and he's saying, yo, I just wanna let you know you doing good, keep going. It ain't nothing but some rap shit, he said look at Fat Joe Fat Joe went through the same thing

when he was building Terror Squad so it's like he said the challenge is when you sit down and you're a boss to your teammates or your peers so how do I approach a guy and say okay here's the deal but then how do you share an IP, how do you rev share everything on top

so nothing came up when you asked share on everything on top right so nothing came up when you asked me the question about 12 million nothing came up for me there what came up the biggest thing that came up was that everything I went through we talked about my cause my cleats and mental health the the biggest thing that came up was like damn 2011, 2011, that's when I started this journey. And after that, I started curating my life. I wasn't authentic. I wasn't real.

Why? Because of what Cam was saying. When I go on the field, now they go from one camera or two cameras on me because I am a superstar, the receiver, but now they got four. After a good play, bad play play they want to see my reaction so now i'm living in a box if i go do this if i show emotion they're gonna say oh he crazy so for 10 years i've been like trying to curate this this this this this persona and i'm like damn bro you you really you really is still affected by what happened in 2011 right all that work you did

mentalization therapy self-assessment therapy like bro that shit worked you understood like what was you know what was going on with you mentally and how impactful mental health is but like there's still more work to do and so i start peeling back those layers and then when it also came up was trauma like in two like i spent three months in an outpatient program in 2011 dealing with these things. But what I didn't deal with was, you know, some daddy issues, some mama issues. But I'm out there teaching these things. Right. So I'm like, oh, shit.

Like, no, I got to go deep. Like I understood like why I view the world that way or why i view women that way or why i view you know you know why i may have you know not been able to trust so i understood it but i didn't go deep and so i just spent like the last six months really going deep man and it really changed my life all right i want to ask you know when you're talking football sports betting kind of took over right to a it just seems like some of the things that they talk about now the analysts will talk about the sports bet and the parlays over the actual game do y'all think sports betting helped or hurt the game it well from a player it helps the game

because let's business we're all businessmen here yep right like business is booming we got to be a part of it you know that's why you think the nfl is investing in they were the number one people uh walking the halls of congress and pushing back pushing back but it's a it's a you got to do it you got to do it from a business perspective um and you got to teach but from a on the field standpoint cam i don't know how you feel about it but for me it's like i ain't we ain't worrying about that I'm not worrying about your overs and your unders, et cetera, et cetera. But you do have some players that's been suspended because they betting and they ain't supposed to be betting. But I don't think it affects the product on the field.

Okay. We need more minority access in the sports betting space you see espn bet mgm prize picks underdog name them all the half kings or draft kings all that but nobody looks like us but we probably the number one race that's trying to come up quick so we talk about business I'm waiting for some sanctions to be in place for the next sports book to have at least a minority patron in position to do that because they use us as influencers but they don't use us as partners so and you got jay-z uh fighting for the casino for the casino hopefully he gets it hopefully he gets it these are scholars times square yeah i mean it's needed bro like i think i think for us we don't have enough enough

of us in position to really empower bro what what nothing man what just happened maybe or everything nothing man brandon crazy see you just like them so yeah i don't know how to answer. I'll tell you after the interview. But, no, that's real shit. Like, I just feel like we need to have more access, bro. If we got more access, we already are naturally trendsetters. And just being in the trend of business. That's why Jay-Z is so impactful.

Because we're not used to somebody looking like us speaking for us and just empowering us in such a authentic way right and just imagine if we had 20 of him now that changed the narratives in the hood to be like bro i ain't just trying to you know drill on something you know i'm trying to really like pick up a skill on something you dig what i'm saying? And really take it to the next level. What are your thoughts, Cam, on the state of black quarterbacks right now in the NFL?

I think this year it was like some record, it was like what, 14 starting quarterbacks? Yeah, we the majority. Now the real thing is, when I first came into the league, it was Donovan McNabbab he was headed out michael vick headed out and that was it now being a white quarterback is the minority now yeah you know what i'm saying being an a pocket quarterback is the minority now you feel me so I love the state of where it's at right now, and it's pushed by the Lamar Jacksons of the world,

the Patrick Mahomes of the world, these extremely savvy skill sets that this game has really never seen, and it's praised now. I always felt like there was a racial, stereotypical component to being a black quarterback where they felt like y'all weren't smart enough to play the position. Yeah.

I mean, it's in everything, not just in sports. It's in everything. Like diversity and inclusion. It don't matter what the commodity is. The right hire, the right person should get this position. Just because you run fast and you just so happen to play the quarterback position, you shouldn't have to change your position. You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, we had a lot of questions about the Lamar Jackson when he got drafted. Joe Flacco was there. He's like, is he going to play receiver? That's why he didn't want to run the 40. He's like, no, bro, I don't want to do that because I know what y'all trying to do. That's crazy.

They trying to change your position. Just because you like, come on, bro. Corner, wide receiver, all these black quarterbacks. You're an athlete. You're an athlete. You're an athlete. That's what I use you over here. And it's to your point, you know, mine. And it's backed up in numbers as well.

Some of the smartest guys, or they think is the smartest guys on the field, are the backup quarterbacks. A lot of our former players that become head coaches are backup quarterbacks. And when you look at the numbers, how many black quarterbacks are backup quarterbacks? Now that's important because we talk about evolution, evolving, transition. So a white quarterback can be in the NFL for 10, 15 years, never throw a touchdown, but they're a backup quarterback.

How many black quarterbacks do they get an opportunity so to that person that says who does cam newton think he is by coming out with a list i'm telling you i get i said i would be a backup to these people so knowing that, most backup quarterbacks don't look like me. Nobody – I mean, being in a quarterback room, you know, it was just certain things that – it wasn't awkward. It was just like, as a starter, you set the tempo of the room. But, you know, you can't talk about certain things because it's like, y'all ain't going to be able to relate to it.

What I've seen in Baltimore this year, they had a black coach, you know, and the backups were black it was like damn i wanted to be in that room see what that's like you see what i'm saying because i never had that you know uh one of my most exciting times was probably around that 2014 15 16 season where i had joe webb uh birmingham uh and then derrick anderson where he really was like a a hippie damn near you know because he was from oregon and he just didn't he was naive to a lot of things but he was he knew his stuff and he was relatable he knew he knew how to speak my language when i was frustrated when i was excited he was that all right all right come on kiddo let's go let's go let's go come on man come on fix your body like that type of thing too and then you know that, all right, come on, kiddo. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Come on, man. Come on, fix your body. Like that type of thing, too.

And then, you know, Joe being, man, come on, man. Like, fuck that shit, man. That's who he was. And I needed that balance, that contrast, to be able to be the best version of myself. But, yeah. Both of y'all are brilliant brothers, man. When did y'all say to yourselves,

we're going to defy the stereotype of the dumb jock? I don't know. I always looked up to the people who had money. And I said it on Earn Your Leisure. I was like, bro, I don't really read as many books as I should, but I tap into documentaries heavy. Like that's how I receive my kind of content. And the documentaries that I love the most are Drug Kingpins

because they're the most well-versed businessman on this earth. Entrepreneur. Because they're not just fighting for their budgets. They're fighting for their lives. One wrong move can cost you your freedom or cost you your life. And that's how smart you have to be. You know, I'm not promoting violence by no means, but I'm just saying like just to be able to think like that was the same

bandwidth that Pablo Escobar had. You don't run no empire like that without having a little Jeff Bezos in you with the little Steve Jobs in you and having to know everything about your business structuring how much we did this and there and it's extremely entertaining to me and when I look at business I've always was enamored by the the owner how does he move how does he dress how does he carry himself how does people respect him how does he move? How does he dress? How does he carry himself? How does people respect him? How does he take on the room? How does he treat the people that's at his level or under his level?

And I tried to mimic that into the businessman that I am today. What gave both of y'all brothers the business? Brandon, what about you? I never thought about the stigma, played into the stigma, and you could say it's selfish, and that may be true for a lot of us, like, you know, we grow up surviving, not thriving, right? So for me, it was like, yo, I wanna play in the NFL. I knew that early.

And you know, when you get older, you start understanding, oh, we really ain't got what I thought we have. And so now you wanna take care of your mom, you wanna take care of your people. That's why early when you asked the question as far as championships and impact, for me it was nothing. It was the money. Like, I'm going to go out there and do my thing.

I want to be the best. But I'm taking money over everything because I got a mom and a sister on Chandler Road, you know, in Atlanta that ain't got nothing. You know, they're in a motel eight, you know, my senior year. And so it was coming from a selfish standpoint, but almost selfless, because I really wanted to take care of my people, right? But I loved the game. But then when I ended up at, you know, McLean in an outpatient program, that's when I understood my purpose. And that's when it became bigger than me for the very first time.

And that's when I start studying and reading for the very first time and that's when i start studying and reading a lot start reading tons of like i mean i got a whole library and i read all the time and that's when i put that case study in place and i just been purpose driven since then and that's been part of the challenge as well it's like when you hear sometimes you don't see people you don't you're not relatable you know You're not built in those relationships, right? Because it's just purposeful. I'm here. I ain't on this here.

It's mom too. Mom, you ain't in it. Mom, you going to Betty? She went to Betty Ford. You want that house? Yeah, I was going to Betty Ford. Now she's seven years sober, right? But me and mom was fighting for four or five years.

Four or five years, mom was fighting. Shout or five years four or five years mom was fighting shout out to mary j blige mary j um it was because of you my mom got help really yes she called me and i was fighting from i was fighting my mom for a couple years i'm like mom you need help you need help like look at this pamphlet i think you're alcoholic and you're alcoholic and she went through a lot and um i never forget writing down 172nd in miami on date night my mom called me crying she said baby i just watched mary j's story and i think that's me and i'm finally gonna get the help you need i need and then boom she goes we set her up at betty for three months later so six seven years sober seven years sober seven Seven years sober. Seven years, I'm sorry mom, I missed a year.

That's the power of content right there. Absolutely. That's what you were saying, that just makes you want to continue to make intentional purpose driven content. If somebody's documentary, Mary Jane's documentary, could influence and inspire somebody to go get help. That's right.

That's crazy. Love Mary, never met her. I was up for Mary to meet my mom. Now salute to Mary. I was gonna ask, where did the business mind come from you talk about all this business where did that come from you hear a lot of times people go to all these different leagues right and they just focus on the game and then by the time it's time to get out they realize that what they thought they had they no longer have right do the agents do the taxes do the friends family just any other when

did y'all get the mind where it's like i'm gonna be different because a lot of times we're not taught yeah it's simple it's in the book of uh rich dad poor dad it's a title that says what's your business and you ask a person they say oh i'm a teacher yeah but you own your own school like no no what's your business like what do you do and it's like i'm an athlete yeah so you own a team like no so when you start having this understanding like what's my business that forces you to say what can i call my own you know i'm saying like i'm building these platforms i'm giving these ideas my cause my cleats breast care the cancer awareness and for other people but it's not me and i'm telling brandon to this day like bro you got all these ideas bro but you ain't got nothing to show for it so how no no i'm saying that let me let me get to the point like how do

we make sure that we follow through that we do have something to show for right not to say that he ain't got nothing you know but it's just like you you should have more if we're being honest so this business side kind of came where it's it's shunned when you're playing because you're not focused you're putting it like i had a person tell me you getting paid enough well you don't need to go on these that's enough bullshit hell no you can't you don't get the right to tell me what I'm making enough to not get advertising dollars you know I'm saying it's like you it's it's it's clear as day but I don't think a lot of athletes are aware nor that's that's that's the lazy side but the reality to a lot of them really don't have time to really focus in and hone in so now whether that Atlanta

Falcons call me or not I have to really consider is like yo I'm doing so much stuff to set up for the next the next and the next that I would be distracted if I was there you know I'm saying but that business side has always came like we've all in Atlanta bro come to come to fellowship mmm yeah I'm there, you know what I'm saying? But that business side has always came, like when y'all in Atlanta, bro, come to Fellowship. You know what I'm saying? You say a hat, like this is my company, this is not somebody else. Go get a hat.

The style is something that I've always been working on, so many different things. I've showed myself with my production company, Iconic Saga. No, I don't need ESPN to do that and I think with all these four lows these last couple of years ESPN the the Tom Warner the the Paramount's they've they've understood like oh we can't keep hiring all these people like we got to do cuts because people are not consuming

the content the same way that they used to. Brandon? I think for me, the first couple years was rough, you know. And then, you know, I always knew, like I had it, the game, the personality, all of that. You know, I would just sit there and watch like Peyton Manning, his press conference after Sunday night football, see his hand gestures and talking. And, you know, I was always studying. I was like, damn, I could do that. and so but I the first couple years was rough and then I realized like damn bro you're not a brand and a lot of athletes what we do is we go out there and we're like yo we Nike pay me this Gatorade pay me that we're a brand we're trying

to make money off our name, image, likeness. I was like, well, that's not there for me anymore. I'm business. And so I started operating that way, hiring my own teams, building out teams and taking these ideas and trying to bring them to life, bringing them to life. And so, yeah, I just put my head down, really started reading. And then a book that really changed my life was uh good to great and so jim collins all his business imprints i read all of them like i

was hooked that was my first business book probably damn near my first book i ever read and it was my fifth year in the nfl you know and so um and the reason why i said that when you say what do you have to show for you know like i read everything like even like you watch the netflix documentary takes 10 15 years sometimes you know uh peloton seven years this ceo he was about to commit suicide and then all of a sudden boom it pops through so you know it just takes time um but i feel like our breakthrough was in a pandemic like we were we were ready everything i wanted was in a pandemic. Like, we were ready. Everything I wanted happened in a pandemic.

Boom. Now I have two brands that are nationally known. And then one that is globally known when it comes to athletes because they tap into the platform. So, premier athletes around the world are watching. And so, now I'm in this space when you ask me, like, yo, why are you going to sabbatical? Because I'm like, I fucking got it. And now it's like, all right, what do next my next moves gotta be my best moves right right so and you a service I mean project 375 I mean you've been you know that's you was

on the front lines of the mental health conversation early long long long long long time ago I'm done with project 375 I'm done with nonprofit okay for-profit that's where House of Athlete comes in that like that's a 10 billion dollar brand and my vision wasn't necessarily you-profit it was more so just to work and it's like i you know i got had this vision in 2015 i said damn you know in 15 years we're going to donate 400 million dollars to the mental health community so i got 300 and 390 to go you know but but and so i said that i was gonna do that through business yeah but don't do that though because non-profit gives you a way to to shelter that so you not just sure get tax benefits no for sure like no it's still like

the the entity's still there and we take the benefits but instead of me taking it's like time right but it's people so if i'm putting like 50 of my time is going into non-profit and now that non-profit is generating you know let's say two two point five million dollars a year right 2.5 million dollars a year like we're doing these ping pong tournaments golf tournaments these different galas and we're bringing in two three hundred thousand a pop but then you got the overhead it's like this is a waste of my time so then i can go focus on business and boom you know i can generate more revenue and that's why i said like when i did that when i stopped playing ball and i realized that what i realized i was when in my transition 2018-19 i'm laying there on my gym floor the same gym that you guys came to, right?

And I'm like, damn, this is mental health. Like, you're talking about wellness. And so I said, I ain't gonna put my time in here, I'm gonna put my time there. At the time, we was doing $11,950 a month, and I put that plan in place, and within three months, and I was like, if I see a community being built, and I hit 60 000 recurring

monthly i'm going all in so that's how we got to the 12 those are the only two metrics that i was looking at community and the way i was gauging the community was how many people lead the workout this class and then they go to our juice bar and they sit there and hang out they like it right that's the next peloton the next soul cycle et cetera et cetera within month three went from twelve thousand dollars a month to sixty five thousand i said i got it here we go boom and so then you know pandemic hit things slowed down and then right there year three ten point five four point five on a brick and mortar side 5.5 on the media side and now but it's everything every dollar in you know it's going right back out like i was you know you're moving fast it's like shit we going to do a deal with nascar we got to take 10 people that's coming out of my pocket like cam said iconic saga check

that was coming out brandon marshall entity you know what i'm saying so it was because we wasn't we wasn't getting any revenue then and it's like boom boom boom boom but a lot of those things too like you don't understand your business and I think you have to acknowledge that too for people who are listening it's like when you get these brand deals even though it says cam Newton I have to understand like hey I'm not paying Cam Newton. I haven't paid Cam Newton through Iconic Saga yet. And I've had Iconic Saga since 2016. We need better understanding of the business structure and what really is. It's like, no, y'all using my name like this is still a talent.

But knowing, like, hold on, I need to get the best equipment. I need enhancements around, you know, the set. Like I want chairs like this now. You know what I'm saying? Like that's an iconic saga expense. So once you understand that, that's where, okay, you're standing on business. You feel what I'm saying?

I got two more questions for y'all. One is a broad question just about the NFL, and one for you, Cam. But let's start with the NFL question. Why do y'all think C.J. Shroud's thanking Jesus was edited out of his post-game speech? Like, is the league, you know, like, not accepting of religion? I've always seen people thank God. So why do you think that happened?

I think that was NBC, too. Oh, NBC, yeah. Yeah, I think so. It was NBC, too. Oh, NBC, yeah. Yeah, I think so. It was NBC? I believe so. Yeah, I think, you know, look, now we're in a time where we're so divided, right? And so you think about, you know, why we're divided, the politics, religion, you know, and different communities, their points of views. And so when you think about business they don't want they don't want that they just want football and so i think it's wrong uh it's disrespectful

but that's the answer they're looking at business and the division like they want this audience that's coming here just for ball um and then you go back to the pandemic 2020 right like 2020 showed us you know people were tired of talking politics remember that conversation tired of talking politics and that's where the conversation athletes shut up do this we just come here for balls that's right so now they sit in here and they're like well let's take all that other stuff out the game we got through it already we had in racism in the end zone and some teams still have some some of things. But the reality is these organizations is trying to get rid of that. What you thinking?

Hold them accountable. NBC, hold their ass accountable. They're going to do it too. If C.J. Stroud would have said something controversial, they would have been running that, looping it, running that, looping it. I'll give you another one. How do we mistake who Burner Boy is?

We reported that this morning. You're right. It happens all the time. Which is crazy. Mind you, he won a Grammy two years ago. Come on now. Hold these motherfuckers accountable.

That's the only reason because this is the unfair treatment. You'll sit up there and you'll hold an athlete accountable because of his performance. You'll hold a athlete accountable or entertainers because they're humans. But what do we say to these networks when they make their mistakes? We just overlook, oh, it's okay. Cool.

No, I'm coming for accountability on everybody from the reporters to the players to the networks. Because that that that shit ain't right. Shit, if I make a motherfucking tape and I say these are game like, oh, shit. Who the hell are you? You was trash as a player. OK, cool. But if I were to go back and I look at DJ Envy's personal life and I really put a microscope to it And I really identify who Charlemagne the guy really is. The kid from South Carolina. And I really start asking those people. But that would be me being malicious. But you're going to do that when I make a mistake.

Ain't this the same boy that got all these kids? Why you got all these kids? But if I start naming all the people who also got multiple kids but y'all didn't know that though too so y'all gonna hold me accountable to something that different rules for different people no hold everybody accountable that's what the new norm of 2024 should be and if you call cap on me show the receipts your boy debo cam stop calling me motherfucker i ain't calling you now he realized like somebody was playing with you okay just sit up there and do that goofy so you know you don't know that situation so he never you never was calling no somebody was playing on his phone

and these little white kids that came out and said that, but he goes online and say like, yo, bro, Cam, stop calling me. You just wanted me on your podcast a couple weeks ago. I'm like, bro, that wasn't me. But that's cool. But he tried to stand on business. But as we find out, and I'm a fan still, a fan of Deebo. Like, bro, like, how can I hate what you do? It was a mistake.

But, hey, you thought you got me. You didn't. Like, bro, we have to start highlighting authentic people. I'm real, bro. I go anywhere, anywhere, and I'm good because I respect everybody. Can't say that for anything. What you going to have to say? You dress goofy.

Like, hell no, bro. Don't talk about me and my kids because you can't tell, have one of my kids tell me I'm not the best father. I'm near. You know what I'm saying? I love my kids. I want more kids. You know what I'm saying?

So don't make that plight with that situation because I'm extremely intentional. I give opportunities to people. I'm looking at a guy right now amara i remember when he wore this baggy ass suit in 2016 and now we were walking on fifth avenue yesterday and i sit up and i told him i said bro i'm proud of you dog i see how you carry yourself now like bro you got to do better because people are reporting to you and you have to also carry yourself how i carry myself the level of accountability has to be from top down, not bottom up.

And this is a dear friend, or he doesn't work for me. We work as partners because he is owed a lot of the creation. Everybody right here, the same thing. So I'm all about opportunities. And I know if I get that opportunity that a lot of people have had, I know what I'll do with it. You know what I'm saying? So that's the accountability that has to be rendered in this media space because if you were to say something, misinformed information,

oh, damn, Brandon Marshall in debt to him. No, hold on. You know how many people are listening to this shit? They're going to think Brandon Marshall really in debt 12 million. No, hold on. You know how many people are listening to this shit? They gonna think Brandon Marshall really in debt 12 million dollars. No, I invested 12 million dollars. So we owe a due diligence to the content that we give out that is as authentic to the truth.

And if it's not the truth or if it's fucked up we got a highlight that held on no that's what cat Williams was trying to do and that's what he did he just gave receipts collecting information for years he said I was just been collecting information for years and if you feel like that was the right thing to do cat Williams Is i mean i can never tell somebody not to live their truth but i guess my issue is the same thing that cam just said and i said this on air when you're talking about power and control in a business if all you're calling out is black people then you're not really calling nobody out yeah you know you can't talk about power and

control in hollywood and not talk about these white executives. But I think too, what, what, what the best thing too, is that he was retaliating from the past guests that had came and spoke on something. He was like, no, that's not true. Some of them, some, some of them he had already, he had that rhetoric from Kevin a long, long time ago. But, but that's the thing. We missed that. It's like, hold on. These guests were there before her. And it's still subjective to who you're going to believe.

But I look at it like this. I'm like, hold on. I text Kristen Myers. And I told her. I said, God damn. Club Shea Shea, boy, they putting pressure on Funky Friday. And I love it. I'm not hating on them.

Why do we feel like that? I don't feel like that. It's a competitive drive. It's not hating. He's bringing out the best version of me because I'm seeing his guest list. Country Wayne did numbers. Cat Williams set. I mean, we started off the year on fire.

Ooh, it's going to be a good year. And he's in that space where I'm saying I respect Shannon Sharp enough. A one of us type of guy played in the NFL has morphed into a better. We just seen CBS Nate Burleson

evolve and just get better. We see Mike Shanahan, Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan. Like these people are evolving and that's no different than what I'm doing right now.

I'm evolving into a new version of who Cam Newton really is. And I want to always stand on that authenticity where it's like, hold on, what happened to the Cam? Like, no.

This Cam right here, bro, I feel liberated. I can't wait to use my platform to impact, empower, and entertain people. Well, are you coming out with a book on how to be the kind of man that makes a woman want to submit? That makes a woman want to be submissive. I need to be coming out with a book that tells we need men to start being men.

That might be the reason. Because I think that's the thing, too. That submissive line, I should have added, also, we need men to be men. Because then I will ask DJ Indy, how were you able to sustain your marriage for so many years? We don't talk about that. That's true. You know? And for a-

Real life, real love. See that book right there? Real life, real love. Married 22 years. Ups, downs, lefts, rights. Yes. But we're able to you know to talk about it so so when i'm having these conversations and i'm and i'm speaking i've never been married so somebody would say how the hell you get to talk about marriage

if you ain't never been married you got relationships but then i would say this how does stephen a smith talk about the nba if he ain't never been in the NBA. I've had certain situations, though, that had garnered a lot of attention by me saying, you know, an alpha male. But a real man, I've seen my father do this. He knew when to allow the woman to lead. We need men to start taking accountability and saying, like, bro, you can't just keep having these fatherless children, bro. But we highlight them in music. We highlight them in, you know, different aspects. It's like, okay, he a great this or great that.

That's what Charleston White did. It's still accountability, you know? And he shunned Dion. I'm like, but did Dion do anything different if you was in his position? Would you not try to put your son on so you can't you can't be hypocritical to that and it's not like it's not like your son not a dog exactly and he's putting his whole family like the the the well-off media that's his son

like we put it's no different oh I'll give you one even better. Why are we not talking about Sunday night football? Chris Collinsworth. You know who does the own field analyst? His son. With coach and Harrison. Yeah. It's his son. But we don't talk about that.

Are you talking about Chris Sims? No. Collinsworth. Okay. His son. But we don't talk about that. Are you talking about Chris Sims? No. Collinsworth, his son. How do we hold the Lonzo balls and the Lamar balls to a standard when we've seen what Archie Manning did for his son? Basically, you talk about nepotism, and that's like Bill Belichick's son, both of his sons, defensive coordinator and also safeties coach, Andy Reid. for his son. Well you talking about, well basically you talking about nepotism and that's like Bill Belichick's son, both of his sons,

defensive coordinator and also safety's coach, Andy Reid for his son when they went to the Super Bowl, driving drunk, whatever, but his son was on the coaching staff, but that's- Accountability. Get the coach down in Jacksonville, he brings his son in as a tight end,

he didn't make the team, but he gave him a spot Try to get this account a bit like let's start calling it what we calling it stop having these hold on hold on Oh, shut up. No, okay. I don't say that. Let's keep talking about Deion Sanders And it's not a black and white thing It's more of like a real authentic thing and when you i owe a service to the viewer i owe a service to my community of people my kind as i would like to say it like they expect the honesty but now i have to learn from the larry kings i have to learn from the oprah winfrey's i have to learn from the shannon sharps i have to learn from you know everybody that has a night show the

jay leno's of the world and going back on and and seeing how they were able to charlamagne the guys to ask these tough questions very savvy and that's pretty much what it comes down to being a student of the game and holding people accountable y'all brothers are doing a great job i can sit and talk to y'all all day man that's right make sure you check the i am iconic tour and i am athlete funky friday yeah so we did a couple cities um now we feel like it's like almost like a comedian of perfecting their material so you know we have this idea of creating a live experience and so we were in atlanta chicago um and we feel really good about it.

And now it's time to what? Stand on business? Stand on business. Package it. Doesn't make sense, but that doesn't negate the fact that we still got our individually owned IPs. The Iconic Saga creates its original content, the fourth and one sports show, Funky Friday. You have H3 Productions that we know I am athlete.

Paper Route, things like that. And, yeah, it's just going to keep getting better and better. We'll be at Super Bowl as well, just collecting data. I'll be on Radio Row with 4th and 1. I hope I can see Dak. I hope I can see Kimberly Martin. I hope I can see Jason McIntyre. I hope I can see Brock Parody. I hope I can see, you know, Tua Tonga Valoa.

Because unlike a lot of people who just throw a grenade and leave, shit, I'm pulling up with a knife. I mean, I got to be real close to you. It's the best. Come on. I'd rather have a conversation with you. Come on. That's why a lot of people in this space I don't respect

because you're too busy talking about folks. Talk to them. Have a conversation with them. Come on. That's why a lot of people in this space I don't respect because you too busy talking about folks. Talk to them. Yeah. Have a conversation with them. That. That. Well, we appreciate you brothers for joining us.

Yes, sir. And y'all guys are invited anytime you know that. So if you in town, pull on up. Yeah. You ain't even just come on up.

Nah, nah, nah. See, I'm going to tell you like I told, you know, Brandon. I ain't going to keep doing freebies. I ain't mad at you. But, you know, scratch my back, I'll scratch your back. I ain't gonna keep doing freebies I'm at you but you know the next next time you got to come on our I'll be there that's a less easy I'm not I'm not saying that to say y'all gotta pay me what I am saying hey just return

the favor and hopefully when we when we get our co-host whenever that happens you know we'll all come together. Hold on. What happened? I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation you had. Hold on. Hold on. What happened?

Before we get out of here, the people, the people I want to know. With what? With Jess Hilarious. Oh, I loved y'all conversation on, no,

no, no. That was a good conversation. Like y'all, that was an amazing conversation. What happened to Jess Hilarious on The Breakfast Club? Yo, Cam Newton and Brandon Marshall. Thank y'all for joining us.

We appreciate them so much. It's The Breakfast Club. Is this thing on? It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake that ass up early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Hey, y'all.

Niminy here. I'm the host of a brand new history podcast for kids and families called Historical Records. Executive produced by Questlove, The Story Pirates, and John Glickman, Historical Records brings history to life through hip-hop. Flash, slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone. The crack of the bat and another one gone. The tip of the cap, there's another one gone. pop. Each episode is about a different inspiring figure from history, like this one about Claudette Colvin, a 15-year-old girl in Alabama who refused to give up her seat on the city bus nine whole months before Rosa Parks did the same thing. Check it.

Get the kids in your life excited about history by tuning in to Historical Records. Because in order to make history, you have to make some noise. Listen to Historical Records on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, I'm Kate Max. You might know me from my popular online series, The Running Interview Show, where I run with celebrities, athletes, entrepreneurs, and more. After those runs, the conversations keep going. That's what my podcast, Post Run High, is all about.

It's a chance to sit down with my guests and dive even deeper into their stories, their journeys, and the thoughts that arise once we've hit the pavement together. Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. out from the shadows, and it's going to be devilishly good. We've got chills, thrills, and stories that'll make you wish the lights stayed on. So join me, won't you? Let's dive into the eerie unknown together. Sleep tight, if you can. Listen to Haunting on the iHeartRadio

app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German, where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral. We're talking musica, los premios, el chisme, and all things trending in my cultura. I'm bringing you all the latest happening in our entertainment world and some fun and impactful interviews with your favorite Latin artists, comedians, actors, and influencers. Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems, fun, straightians, actors, and influencers. Each week, we get deep and raw life stories, combos on the issues that matter to us, and it's all packed with gems, fun, straight-up comedia, and that's a song that only nuestra gente can sprinkle.

Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Marie. And I'm Sydney. And we're Mess. Well, not a mess, but on our podcast called Mess, we celebrate all things messy. But the gag is not everything is a mess. Sometimes it's just living.

Yeah, things like J-Lo on her third divorce. Living. Girl's trip to Miami. Mess. Breaking up with your girlfriend while on Instagram Live. Living. It's kind of mess. Yeah.

Well, you get it. Got it? Live, love, mess. Listen to Mess with Sydney Washington and Marie Faustin on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.