The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Brandon T. Jackson On Returning To Hollywood, Comedy Career, Cult Community, Spiritual Journey +More

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Brandon T. Jackson To Discuss Returning To Hollywood, Comedy Career, Cult Community, Spiritual Journey. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we got a special guest in the building. Yes indeed. He's on the new show on BET Plus, Carl Webbers, The Family Business New Orleans, which is streaming right now ladies and gentlemen, we have Brandon T. Jackson. Welcome, brother. We back. How you doing my brother very well very well i'm excited uh shows doing good so you know people are liking it

Carl Webber's the family business what brought you back to hollywood i think he's gonna ask that what brought you back to hollywood you know what it's so much it's so funny because when you when you go out and do a spiritual journey, and you learn and you aggregate people, and you realize that it's like, God gives you a gift to use, and when he gives you a gift, you're not using it, you can go crazy, and you can get depressed, you can start, and I think my gift is something

that was given to do a purpose that's bigger than just acting. So I saw the whole thing, you know, trying to aggregate, you know, our people together, to come together economically. And I'm not the first one to try. And I won't say fail, but, you know, it's like art is what he gave me, I believe, to be a light. How the industry changed? Meaning like for better and worse. I never, here's my issue, the whole,

Numinati cut off my gas, everybody blaming some, it's fictitious, in my sense, not, I don't, you know, the whole, you know. Do you have to sell your soul to be in Hollywood is what I'm saying. That's a good question. And do you still have to sell it now, is what I'm saying. I don't feel like it's like that.

Spiritually, I feel like whatever you would do to get where you gotta go, you gotta find what energy is pushing you. My energy was always the most high, you know, period. I mean, my dad told me this too. He's like, you got my blood my prayers your grandmother's prayers your grandfather's prayers run into your veins So when you do these other things your ancestors are calling for you not to do so it won't work You know I'm saying I've been to

Many you know dark places in life, and I just like it don't work for me. You know, I tried Was comedy your safe place cuz you know doing acting and you totally dove into comedy. Yeah, you know what's funny I've been doing stand-ups as I was 14 I actually started doing stand-up in church a lot of people think I went and Started doing I started as common doing comedy and then I got the movie Road Bounds. You said in church Yeah, sergeant church. So you would get up in front of the congregation and tell them? They on this over there though.

Yeah, I was clean. I was a clean comic. I mean, I'm still relatively pretty clean, but not, you know, I can do better. But with my dad, he don't like coming to my shows, but yeah, I talk about this in chest out. I got a new show we shop in new. It's really good.

I actually would like you to watch it. Okay. Cause you're a tough critic. Okay. DJ C, he seen me perform. He seen me do well. It's really good. I actually would like you to watch it. Okay. Because you're a tough critic. Okay. DJ seen me perform. He seen me do well. He seen me bomb. He seen me get stent ovations, everything. But you never seen me do comedy. I would like to send that to you. It's called Chest Out. We shop it in Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, everybody. So it's looking really good. But yeah, comedy it was my safe place when I was going through the whole spiritual journey.

I actually talk about it, and the whole thing is about that, you know? I thought, you know, there's no disrespect, but I thought at one time you was gonna quit comedy, because I've seen a couple of shows where Brandon go up, and this was right after everything, and you bomb. Yeah, bomb. And I was like, there's no way Brandon's coming back after this.

And this is the bomb that you like, Charlamagne, like bomb like the bomb bomb. See, see, see. I got two types of comedy I like. I like, when I think somebody's really funny and really making me think, I'm just, I'm actually just watching. Like, I'm not laughing,

because you know, I like to catch everything. Yeah. But when somebody's bombing. Yeah, you love it? I don't know why. I think I like watching the person try to figure it out. That's what makes me laugh about it. But New York bomb is a different from a regular,

New York is a different audience. They disrespectful. They don't wanna even let you get it out. Like if you bomb in New York, yeah, you could say it's like, it's acceptable because a New York Bomb is like, you might be good in another city. Y'all, New York is a tough audience.

How many times did you bomb in New York? But I don't wanna say that. Just one time. I don't wanna make it seem like he bombs every time. No, I haven't bombed before. He made it seem like it was a lot of times. No, no, no. I've been roping him for a lot of times. He's been on road with the DJ for his set at least 15 times.

I never knew that. Yeah. We do it on tour, so I DJ everybody's set. Got you. He's been doing it for years, though. He's seen... That's what I'm saying. He saw...

New York is where I got good. RIP Michael, shout out to him. He actually trained me to get good because I wasn't rolling them while I was doing, he saw, New York is where I got good. Real Michael, shout out to him, he actually trained me to get good because I wasn't rolling them while I was doing all the movies. So it was Rocky III, you know what I mean? Like, and that's, he was seeing that moment years ago. So you was rich, you had the fame,

and you kinda lost the edge a little bit. Yeah, and that's just like in 2015, 16, but now that's, you know, that's old. How do you regain? What made you stay with it though, because like, you see that, and it would take a lot of heart from comedians if they got moved on. I'm resilient.

And plus I already know like, I know what is going on. But you never wavered. That's the whole thing. I've seen people, comedians head down, F this, but you always head up. I'll get them next time. But what gave you that? Because I know I'm funny. I don't have to try to be funny.

I'm a funny person. You know what I mean? It's just about connecting material. I don't have to try to be funny. I'm a funny person, you know what I mean? It's just about connect and material. I didn't have a story at the time. See, now I have a story how I left Hollywood for seven years, accidentally joined a religious cult, akmak badak, and had to come back and Terrence Howard saved me.

That's funny, you know what I mean? Like, that a true story? Somewhat. It's fabricated, but it's pretty true. How did Terrence Howard save you? Now you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. Terrence seemed like he's still in the cult right now.

I love Terrence though, by the way. Terrence is smart. I totally agree. Put this number in the calculator. 55599. Yes. But you know why I respect guys like that is because they're at least trying to figure something else.

They're just not accepting what has been told to us all of these years. And if there is another way, just show me. He's still in the, it's deep man, quantum, the quantum realm. And that's when you start talking about quantum physics and all that stuff. Thank you. You're welcome. It's a different game. You're talking different language.

You know, we keep talking about Republican, Democrats. Y'all better be worried about these computers. Word. These, this is about to get real. I have a tech company that I run and that I'm doing. And I have machines right now, I'm building machines by itself. He's in that realm and he's talking about stuff that people don't understand. So I know, I talked to him yesterday, he sent me a 40 page book about what he was talking about. I don't understand any of it.

I read it though. It, I read it though. It's all numbers and stuff. I was going to ask you, so when you said that Brent Michaels helped you bring your raw back, how do you do that? Go to Jamaican clubs at 3 in the morning and do comedy. Go do that, see what happens. They're going to play the whistles on you in New York. Go to Harlem at 3 in the morning and do comedy, beat a 15,000 person up,

and you get booed, you know what I'm saying? And then go do, New York is the place you get great, period. I'm from Detroit, and Detroit's the place you have the flavor, but New York is the place you just, they not gonna play, they don't care. They got too many people. So we would go to the comedy clubs every night, every night, all night, all night, all night night I'll be up to five in the morning now go shoot my show

Call who dead beat at the time it's how far it long goes Dead beating from now I will go to the clubs all night all night And we rip say until you get standing ovations, and then then I started he gonna be mad at I start killing it That would take I took his style to because he has a New York style where he hit you like this. You ever see RIP? You know, me I'm actually an actor style. Where I act out, I'm like a Richard and Eddie. Well you gotta listen to the act out.

New York don't wanna see you act out. They're more punchy. You know what I mean? It's a style. You know what I mean? You think LA makes you plastic a little bit? No. I don't, I'm in Michigan in Michigan most of the time too.

Okay, I'm talking about when you, you're from Detroit, but when you was out there doing the Hollywood thing. Yeah, it did. Okay. Yeah, it made me, but I'm, you know, I was so, I probably blew up at 19, man. You think it came too fast for you?

No, I believe on the personal level, yeah. I believe that I didn't stick to my core energy of what brought me here. I believe that when you're centered in God, and I don't like preaching, and I don't like I know you better not be afraid to testify. No I know, but it's like sometimes people get on the radio, they always want to preach and stuff, but it's like it's really the core of who I am and I literally made a promise to God when I was a kid. I said if you make me famous, this is what I would do for you.

So if you say, is there a energy pool? I do believe people do make dark covenants and different things. I do think people make light covenants. In this case, my covenant was light. I was always, I was given to God as a child, you know what I mean? Just symbol child, you know what I mean? Symbol style, you know what I mean?

With the anointed oil, so when you, not like that, but you can't get away from that, I tried, I tried. And so during your break away from Hollywood, that was your focus, like, I mean, I know, I saw some quotes that you said you wanted to just build community as well and kinda like get back. Yeah, I built the community center and the community didn't show up, so I'm back.

I was going at it. I tried. I tried, I tried, I tried, I built a community center and the community didn't show up. So I'm back I tried Y'all ain't even pop out I gave hundreds of thousand dollars to this dude this cult leader. We supposed to build a community I can I don't know what's about us trying to build a community together where it's like this forbidden thing in the matrix and that's one to challenge it and I realized that it's not really because we blame a lot of other nationalities and we got you oh my god we do though but at the same time is like I dealt with only us for a long time in is for seven years and I realized that we have to I went I went I went I went to the mountaintop You know talk about what you're talking about because a lot of people might not know so you decided to I tried to make it a

Coat so you decided to was it joining religion was it no wasn't that it's just the way I wouldn't say religion it was more so understand and leaders that take the Bible and twisted to To control people I would say. You know what I mean? And that's what you were in. I didn't know I was in it.

You never know when you're in the cult. That's hilarious. No, truth. You learn truth. When people tell you the truth, but then they take that truth for their own power. The truth is not the cult, it's not the problem. The teachers are usually the problem. You know what I mean?

The shepherds that say, okay, now that you know this, you know what I mean? They start to, you know, you know what I mean? Give me your wife. What got you out of it? Give you your wife? He becomes like, wait a minute, what? You know what I mean?

Did somebody ask for your wife? Did somebody ask for your wife? Did they ask for your wife? You know what's funny? Jesus Christ, man. You got a wife now? You got a wife now? You got a your wife? You know what's funny? Jesus Christ Huh, you got a wife now double wife now listen, I'm I'm I'm not if you don't know Robons was a long time ago Okay, I'm got four children. I'm grown. I got kids Let's get back to the first question. You know, we're talking about it. That's cool, too

I know I'm trying to save it for the special but we could talk I wish it I wish this was the interview for the special but because I talk about in this special but we can bring it back to I'm trying not to say jokes. That's in this special See me I'm pandering like a little bit So you really want to know that the dramatic of it. It was more so, it wasn't a whole time, seven years I was in the call. I literally was, I started, when you're trying to go and build our community together, there's a lot of trauma.

And I think people, they hold on to the truth and understanding of some certain scriptures. They then put trauma trauma on people is that the best way I could say it Yeah, so and that person wouldn't say he's in the cold, but he definitely cold now She asked about you know your wife, and you know there's a video of online talk about you read a new wife Yeah, yeah, that's wife technically I think what's it? Yeah, you have that's why I was like Yeah, did you figure that out are we back like yeah you're back to get where you are yeah did y'all figure that out are we back together are we babe no I'm joking um you calling it babe

that's y'all locked in listen you know it's funny we we we try to keep everything very private now because we people can just get in the way but we definitely are a family and we definitely are we love each other very well very much and I would say that for me I feel like that I didn't give her the best version of myself. I would say that That's very interesting. You know I mean I'm very proud of you to hear you say that yes So ability is hard sometimes. Yeah, you got to be accountable I was I was I wasn't I wasn't the best husband and not because I was was gone, I wasn't the guy she met.

You know what I mean? I was Akmak Badak. I don't know what my name was at the time. So you was like Martin with the robe on and you go to Dredd's house? Yeah, that's not who she met. So you know, it's like, we can't eat this, we can't do that, sit down and all the submissive stuff.

It's like, women and men submit to love, I've learned. We've got to submit to love and love is what's the key. And when I say that is selfless sacrifice. That's love. When you don't want to do something and you do it because you love that person. I think that's the lesson I've learned and I'm still learning because sometimes I'm very generous but I'm not selfless. You know what I mean? How'd you get back to Brandon? Some prayers, my mama, Jesus bring him out Jesus.

What did God say? I'm really interested in that. He said I went to the mountaintop and I seen it. I seen the light, you know. I seen the whole thing. I was in the holy land and God spoke to me on the mountaintop. You know what he said to me. He said get back to work nigga. Get back to work. That's what he said That's it. Go back to work. I was done. You know, I mean and you do work men acting Yes, and I do the whole thing So he said get back to work and I felt it and I was like, okay, it's time You know, I mean it is cool because now I know my source, you know, I mean

So what did God say to you that made you step away then? He just ripped everything from me. He just ripped it. Just ripped it, just as fast as he gave it to me. Now think about this, I did 3 Minutes of the Lab Factory, right? And became, Roadbounce was my first audition. Got an agent at CAA, right? From one, it was a miracle the fact that I made it because they was coming to see another comic at the time.

And then they were like, you know, you killed that set, you got a STEM innovation, here's our card. I'm like, what's CAA agency? And they know what CAA was. You know what I mean? CAA, right? CAA. At the time, and then all my agents got me too, so it was ridiculous.

But that's another story. Now, you know, I'm at Buckwall, shout out to them, but I'm saying back in the day, but that was the start of like the way the CODsMIC stuff happened where I got moved to this, to that, and then it just, it just, it just, it happened so fast. just it just it just it happened so fast and it was like cosmic It was like okay boom now you got audition for roll bounce now you got boom got that movie now you go wildin out Nick Cannon is showing you wildin out on the set of roll bounce now you on that then you get a dish for Tropic Thunder

You don't get the part then they call you back and then you get the part You know I mean it was always it was always like that I'm on club shake cat William said you you only became successful after dressing like a woman. It is I mean the whole woman dress thing I'm so it is so hilarious that this conversation that never leaves the internet by the way I'm trying I'm gonna give you all sound bite. I'll come here and give y'all y'all sound bite internet by the way. I'm trying to give y'all sound bite. I'll come here and give y'all y'all sound bite. You know the cool thing about Cat Williams, he has a cool way of getting people to listen. You know, he has a really strategic way of saying things that make people go is that true, you know and

He has a cool way of selling tickets doing that he'd sold so many tickets. He sold my tickets with that shit Hmm for real when he said that my whole tour was sold. I was like, thanks cat. So it's kind of like one of those things where No dressing, you know I'm so I'm so partial to that to how you look at things. You see it so... You have this era, I'm just gonna give you a history. Martin Lawrence, Miss Dalfire, all this stuff in the 90s where there was no internet. Everybody was blind to it, right? And then after that era, you have Dave Chappelle comes out

on Oprah and says this thing, that was the start of it. Saying, you see what I'm saying? So no one knew the conspiracies or whatever it is about this. Now think about it, a kid growing up in the 90s, right? Branley Jackson watching everything. I'm watching Shanae-Nae, I'm watching Martin, I'm watching everything.

Martin Johnson, my mama, grandma. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it was like internet. Jamie Foxx, Wanda. It was internet. Yeah. So you look at, you have this knowledge of these things, you know, you're looking at it.

If there was something wrong, why don't we as men come to that person and say, hey, man, look, you should do some research on this. I believe this is a dark energy with that. You know me Cat never did that I respect them very much But he never mentored and that's why the mentorship in our in our community especially black man We don't we just want to say things in the media instead of calling somebody up So which is your attentions to really save me and help or is your attention to bash my brand? So you can look better because when Martin came to me and said this plate is played in the movie. I was like, yes

I'm 25 and pay me three million dollars a work with Martin Lawrence. You know, I'm saying he had this big ring He's eating steak. I'm like I want I want you know me you 25 I did that not even move at 24 fresh off Tropic Thunder so it's like no one's thinking about any of that stuff so if that was the case because he said on the interview Zach words was he said y'all don't want me I want Brandon T Jackson right and I'm looking at him on that I'm like so wait you knew they were gonna come for me right like and you told them to kind of you you tip them say y'all need to go They were gonna come for me, right? Like and you told them to kind of you you tip them say y'all need to go get brandon t. Jackson

So was that kind of pimping me out to the Illuminati or was there in his mind or what? I'm sure like comedians wearing addresses Illuminati though. No, I'm saying that's what he's saying. What do you think though? What do I feel? I feel that um, I Feel that was it I mean, I, that's what I'm saying. I don't, it's Miss Doubtfire Luminati. Someone as black as Luminati, I don't know when it's us as Luminati, but when it's white people as comedy. To your point, I'm older than you, I'm 46, but when I was younger, I just thought it was funny. Yeah, I thought it was funny too.

I never cried, nothing else ever cried, not even gay, Like not even only gay, I just thought it was funny. I feel like when I moved to LA is when I started hearing that, like black men wear dresses, whatever, whatever, and I was like, what? I just thought it was funny too. I see both points. To the defense, in our dramatic arts, doing history, we never had those type of, that came from Greek and Roman, Greco-Roman, you know what I mean? So if you say you're going to be pro-black and pro-this

and this is what we are, this is what we do, that was never our art form doing that, as far as I can study when I study ancient art, ancient folk tales, ancient storytelling. We never did that, as far as I know. So when people say, hey look, that is a Greek-Roman situation, then that could be, that's an argument there,

because we probably learned it from them. So if you're saying this is how our nationality and what we do, and we're sticking together, then there's other nationalities that say we're Americans, and this is just art. So I just say this, people think that, I think I said this in one interview, that the dress ruined, I think they actually, they said.

I saw you say that, you said it was a, you said your career went downhill after Big Mama's House, you believe it was cursed because nothing went right since then, since you wore the dress. And that's exactly, yeah, but you gotta look at it, that's also when my mind was in a certain place too. So I would say, right, I would say, when I was straight away from my principles

is when things got bad. On my personal life. You can't blame, I just wanna say, you can't blame your agent, you know what I mean, or whatever. People like to blame Hollywood, you know what I mean? It's not Hollywood, it's what you do with the power. I mean, once I learned that, I'm like,

it's not, there's no Hollywood, there's no, to me, there's no invisible ghost that's learn that, I'm like, there's no Hollywood. To me, there's no invisible ghost that's trying to, it's like, God, universe, whatever you want to call it, I say Most High, gives you, it gives you a choice to go down these pathways to learn. And I don't really believe there's any wrong choices. I believe that you're learning a lesson that you have to go to get to where the most high hat wants you to be to learn as a human. Because we're still learning, we still we don't know the extent of God's love and we don't know the extent of His judgment, we just don't know. So if you have these lessons you're learning, I know I would never do it again.

Well who's helping Brandon right now going through all these and the ups and downs and the pitfalls to make sure that you mentally are okay? Like who's helping you out during that process? Cause just talking to you, it seems like it was, it's been a lot on a young kid in the industry that's like, I don't know. Who's helping Brandon, if anybody? You know what, my father, I got an amazing father and mother

that just I can talk to. And my fans, nine of us. I called my brother up, like I met Halle Berry the other day. You seen the picture you posted? Yeah, I told her, I said, listen, I'm taking. You can't have me. No, for real though, I was so nervous, man, when I met Halle Berry. I read it on five movie titles for her to remember who I was.

She didn't know who the hell I was. She was like, who? I was like, Tropic Hunter? She was like, hmm. I was like, Big Mama? She was like, huh? And she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, damn.

Which one did she say yeah, yeah, yeah to? Tropic Hunter. She knew the movie, but she didn't know you were there. She was like, which black guy? I'm like, come on. Well, you were a lot younger. Like, you know what I mean? I know I was a lot younger.

She was pretty busy. How did that make you feel? I mean, it's Holly Barry. I mean, I was just happy to take a picture with her. She's a lot younger. You know what I mean? I know I was a lot younger. She's pretty busy. How did that make you feel? I mean, it's Halle Berry. I mean, I was just happy to take a picture with her. She's beautiful, man. And she's very sweet, very, very nice. I mean, I'm not, it doesn't bother.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but I really don't care too much anymore about the Hollywood stuff. Well, they gotta do it how fine Halle Berry is. No, I'm saying, like's I'll see as a human I don't she was so dope. You just fine. Yeah, I mean at first I'm like I'm very you know, and I'm like, you know, and I saw myself rattling off these things I can see their face like just say what up, you know I mean like how I'm only when I saw that she was normal by the way, they're very Hollywood to you What they start right? I was normal. By the way, that's very Hollywood to you. What? It start rattling about your movies.

I was nervous. I don't know what to say. Larry Tue. Damn. I got it. She was like, hi. Brandon, you're on media. I was nervous, bro.

I was so nervous when I'm. I was nervous, man. Where'd you meet her? Where was she at? She was in the Delta One Sky Lounge. What? Yeah. Wow.

Oh, so she was there for a minute. You could have. I mean, she had a boyfriend now. And I'm I'm I'm I'm taking right now I want to ask you you said you've mentioned your brothers and your father. What did they say when you put on the dress I? Mean no one said anything no one said nothing until cat Williams said something Did it bother you it never bothered you until somebody said something about it that's the most It never bothered you until somebody said something about it. That's the most fascinating thing to me. When people have no problem with something, your conscience is fine with it, your spirit

is cool with it, but then as soon as somebody else says something, now you're like... It's an issue now. Yeah, why? Well, it wasn't just that. It was more so... Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you? Why is my cat not here? And I go in and she's eating my lunch.

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I stayed in Atlanta for like eight months after that, just doing music. I lost my mind on that movie. I don't know what happened. You know what I mean? I think it definitely was something that wasn't right on that movie, I would say, spiritually. I would say spiritually I would say that now I can't explain it bro cuz cuz cuz I stayed my agent called me we got this new bro if you find out the stuff I turned down tell us nice

depressing but if you find that stuff I turned down while they were getting me to try to get out of Atlanta my manager had to get me out of Atlanta and move me I had this big penthouse it was just why I was wildin bro I don't even know why I don't know if I was subconscious trying to escape stuff But then that's when I had my first my first daughter got you know, I can't talk about it cuz you know, I Don't fight no court stuff coming. I'm over here crying over here like Tyrese and stuff, but I Don't want to have I got we have the same issues that You know I but I don't wanna have, we have the same issues that, you know, I can't say too much, but I will say this,

that started my legal battles, personally, that movie when it came down to me having a child, going through child support court, going through all that stuff, that was the movie that had to happen. But that could have been because. Exactly, it could have been me. You're doing it with Martin.

It was a big movie. It was promoted everywhere. In a lot of ways, it's like, oh, he on on now. Yeah, just understanding the impact of all of that as somebody who you weren't, like you said, you didn't have, like no one called you and said, hey, this is how this is gonna go. This is how this might feel.

No one mentored, none of them mentored us. They all just talking in the media. I have a whole mentorship program that I do. It's called Making a Brand where we're building businesses and really teaching financial literacy. I do that now because nobody be telling us how to do this. I get it now though. It's kind of like you're navigating a room in the dark trying to find the light. Like the light switch when somebody's literally over there at the light switch and they're like, oh, he'll figure it out because you're doing well. And that's tough. You know, like I said, who did

mentor me a little bit? Sinbad was a, he's a great, great mentor. Sinbad is one of the dopest and his brother, Mark Atkins, he was one of the first ones that would show me around. That was, that was the guy that was really showing me how this works. And, you know, he, he was the only, like I always say, only mentor I had, but at 19, my dad didn't know nothing about Hollywood and how things go. And I'm not making excuses, but we don't mentor other talents,

and even financially. I've been through so much where I lost everything. That lottery ticket scene was real in real life. You know what I've been through so much where I lost everything with my, you know, that lottery ticket scene was real in real life. You know what I mean? I went broke. I lost everything. And then God just restored it all. Just, pow, pow. I mean, I'm rich again. I mean, praise God. I'm making a lot of money and it's a blessing. I'm not saying that to brag, but it's like as quick as it left, it came back. I wonder, right?

Because I've seen you reference the scripture, Deuteronomy 22.5. And you said that's one of the readings. I guess that paraphrasing, but that scripture kind of forbids cisgender men from wearing women's clothes. Am I getting that right? Say it again. Deuteronomy 22.5? I'm rusty right now.

What does that say? Hold on, let me pull it up. That thing is Leviticus. Is it Leviticus? Oh, but it's a line from the Bible that some people believe forbids cisgender men from wearing women's clothes. What's the? Hold on, let me pull up this. Leviticus 20-25? I thought it was Deuteronomy 20-25. No, it's Leviticus. Leviticus also shows you- No, it is 20-25. It's Deuteronomy. Is it Ramony? Yeah, it states, a woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing. For anyone who does such things

is an abomination to the Lord, your God. According to scripture, yeah, according to scripture. So why did it hurt other people? Other people's careers were fine. No, I'm saying, no, that, when I quote that, you're saying why didn't that hurt? You said this on comedy hype, yeah. Okay.

I'm saying, but why didn't, other people put the dress on on it didn't hurt their careers So why do you think it why do you think God cursed you? I? Mean, that's oh, that's oh something. I believe I cursed myself with with with when it comes down to Not following I take this if you don't if you don't follow the ways for me If I don't follow the ways in the most I I tried it I believe I'm saying My shit went down. You know, I mean I'm not gonna I'm not gonna test that anymore, but I would say I can't say it

I can't say what God's was it we don't know God's grace and his love for other people I can't say he told you to do and you never told me not to wear a dress You know, I mean not like that. He never said that he never told me not to work with Martin But he what I would say is that once I learned that scripture, that's when I started to realize, was it this? And I think a lot of was on a lot of pre-interviews while learning scripture, and I think I was talking too much on the internet without getting full knowledge of the things. Maybe it was that. maybe it wasn't.

But I would say this, I would say that that experience brought me to a place where I got closer, I got closer with God to understand his mercies. I know his mercies and I know his judgment for me. So I can't say, I mean, I've seen some people sniff cocaine and go up, I mean, you know, you know what I mean? Did you ever get caught into that, that Hollywood life of the drugs and drinking? No.

I don't, I mean I drink but like sometimes, you know what I mean? I'm going to have a drink after this but we don't get drunk. I mean I don't, you know, I smoked weed. I mean it ain't not, but now I'm more like, you know, I'm kind of on my health stuff now but that's, I mean who didn't? I never got into the extra stuff. No, I mean, nah, for what? I have a question now, because it seems like you're in a more restored place.

Yeah, he restored my soul, right? Yeah, I mean, it gives that. It feels like you kind of working through things or have worked through things. Have you had a conversation with Cat Williams at this point about the stuff that was said? I've been trying to have a, he keep running around the internet.

I can't get, Cat called me, like it's easy. It's not, I can, were y'all cool before? I've always been a fan of Kat. They said, never meet your heroes. I've always been a fan. I love Kat Williams. Like it hurts me to hear him say these things. These are my mentors.

You know what I mean? So he was a mentor before? No, in my, in my head, the, in the media. Like these are my comedic mentors. I'm studying these guys. Like these are people you looking up to. I just wonder why you though? Why do he, why were you talking?

Me too, my mom was like, why is Cat always talking about you? I'm like, mama, I don't know. He went at everybody, Cat went at everybody, didn't he? He did, but he been talking about me for years. Like it's been since we was, since I was like 23, 24. You said it's been like 20 some years, right? He keep going with it.

I'm like, what? Like, I don't know, man. But said it's been like 20 some years, right? He keep going with it. I'm like, what? Like, I don't know, man. But I would love to sit down and have a conversation with Cat Williams just to be like, nigga, what's the problem? You know what I mean? Whatever his reason is, it's like, I really don't care, but I really wouldn't know why you keep talking. What is the social media allure allure of me like

talking about somebody else you think if the Percy Jackson franchise would have went a different way I mean I'm going to Jackson Percy um what was the person was the first person Jackson Jackson right yeah that franchise would have went a different way you think things would have been different for you what you mean if they would have had more success. What do you mean different from me? Career-wise. Because everybody was saying I was supposed to be the next Harry Potter franchise.

I mean. You see what Harry Potter did for Daniel Radcliffe. You think that would have been the same for you? I don't know. I have fun. We did that in Vancouver, and we had a good time. I mean, I love my path. My path is dope. The comeback, the comeback kid, that's a

bad, who wants to watch somebody on top all the time? Michael B. Jordan always got muscles, you know what I mean? I love it. I mean, I don't have muscles all the time. You know what I mean? Like, I even, even Jonathan Majors, you know what I mean? Yeah. He like, he's coming back and doing his resilience. It's all about what story, I believe we actually write our stories too. I believe subconsciously we co-write with God. Personally, this is my saying, this is one of y'all people who hit me up like, God, it ain't the Bible,

but I would say that we're co-creators with our decision-making to learn the best thing. I think actually, I think subconsciously I wrote this story. You know, I don't like to, I mean it's not fun to watch somebody, the hero got it, the flawed hero. You know what I mean? I'm the flawed hero. I might get drunk sometimes.

You know what I mean? I wore a dress and got mad and got on the internet and said everyone's going to hell and then, you know what I mean, to come back with a number one TV show. That's a cool ass story. I agree. I mean, it's interesting because it feels like you've made your own choices

every step of the way. I did, probably not knowing. I was gonna say, some of them seemed like on accident. I think it's God leading me. And then they say, he lead you in the path of righteousness, not to get so deep, but I mean, it like he has.

And even when I make mistakes, that's what I say. I can't say why that didn't curse somebody else. Can't say why this is that. And I can't say it really cursed me. Because in that interview, I was deep in new understanding. When you have new understanding, you're not supposed to even speak out about that. So I would say that that movie led me down a path

for me to learn whatever lesson I learned whether it was humility. Because I mean people said it back in the day. I was cool, but I was very Arrogant. Arrogant. But I was just I mean I grew up in a two-parent home. My dad owns a network You know I'm saying he put confidence and faith in me. So I was never trying to be And that's the thing about black legacy we say we want family business one legacy but then we all when people see it they they want to talk against it there's everybody want they shit I watch I watch his IG like like and my wife be I can't spin

like that yeah yeah I don't know the way the way yo that y'all be y'all be killing that I love my love my family. Yeah, listen, I love I love I work for them. I know me too I'm trying to get on your level, but I'm saying What you what you do is? It's so dope You know It's such an inspiration for people with family family man You know what I mean, and we need to see that, that legacy.

You know what I mean? We wanna see our kids live great too and be humble. The reason I do that is because there's a lot of people that didn't show that. Like, you know, we're just talking all the time about raising our kids, there's no instruction manual. So you've gotta figure it out on your own. Same thing with relationships,

there's no instruction manual. So a lot of times you think you're dealing with it by yourself, so when you do things, whether it's infidelity or insecurity or whatever may be, raising your kids, there is nobody to be like, damn, I fucked up. Is it just me? So that's why I put so much, I put the good to bad. I love it.

And I write the books, real life, real family, real life, real love, because I want people to know that you're not the only one. You make mistakes and it's okay to come back and fuck what people say. And he'll make fun of me And she'll make fun of me, but it's all love regardless. I know that these people love me You be putting crazy. Nobody makes fun of you. You just goofy I know what you mean though They thought I was arrogant I was walking in legacy you see the confidence that his kids have they walking in legacy

They can say my my father's there, my father, I was there. My grandfather, Horace Jackson, God rest his soul, we got streets named after him in Detroit. You know what I mean? We just built a school in Ghana, Horace Jackson Technology University in Ghana. We got to do these things where it's not just about being famous, wearing sunglasses, smashing chicks. It's time to build legacy and that's what I'm on. I'm not trying to just be, okay, I'm Brandi Jackson. I'm past, I'm Brandi Jackson stuff. We're trying to build family and businesses.

I know that's a plug, but that's what we doing. Family and businesses, bro. You know what I mean? The legacy. But you're right. I mean, it's good to see you back in a mentally healthy, emotionally sound space. I think so anyway. I mean, it's good to see you back in a mentally healthy, emotionally sound space. I think so anyway.

I think it's dope. And that's why I don't even really wanna talk to you no more because I really wanna see you stand up. Because I feel like all the answers are in the stand up and then we can have a deeper conversation. Yeah, it's funny because it's drama. And I'm funny, I'm not really, I was talking to my agent about this I'm funny in a drama if you notice everything I've done that was like I

mean honestly I'm not supposed to say this but I don't care I don't think Big Mama's house is a good movie I think it's a horrible movie personally I don't even remember Big Mama's house exactly so why do you think it's a horrible movie? I think it's a good movie because when you have a Tropic Thunder palette no offense when you're around those dudes that are writing like like like Danny McBride Justin Theroux they write in the highest octane of high-level Satire Mel Brooks when you study comedy slapstick. I don't like slapstick I'm not good as low bar comedy like it was like easy punch line. It's like I'm not a slapstick artist I'm funny in a drama.

You know who the best was that was Eddie, who's always funny in dramas. Beverly Hills Cop is a drama. Martin does better in, actually he's both, he does great with slapstick because his whole show was slapstick. Martin's one of the best physical comedians. Yeah, physical comedians, but he can do both. Martin in a drama, Bad Boys is a drama. Life was a drama.

Life was a drama. Yeah. Martin and the, Bad Boys is a drama. Life was a drama. Life was a drama. So, that's why I'm like, Big Mama Slapstick is, it's not challenging. It's phoning in and getting the check, dressing up. But now, with this film I have with Family Business, I mean, people are like, man, you go act in this. I'm like, it's good, I know you can do drama. Drama's easy, comedy's hard.

So I think I'm the king of dramedy, I would say. I can do both, I can do drama, comedy, you know what I mean, very evenly. I think it's- What's the special? It's called Chest Out. I'm saying, but what is it? Is it a dramedy? Is it more's. What's the special? It's called Chest Out. I'm saying, but what is it? Is it a dramedy?

Is it more of a dramedy special? It's dramedy. I would say, I mean, it's not like, it's not as heavy as Jamie's was, but it's definitely, the through line is drama. You know what I mean? Leaving your wife and going to damn Nashville.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And white coats and sheets and stuff, and your wife is sitting at home like, you know what I mean, where's my husband at? When does that come out, when can we see that? If y'all keep shouting it out, we get a great deal. So we're in negotiations with like two networks right now so I just

like I don't I mean Netflix y'all y'all say y'all must spend 18 billion on content come on I really I really like Netflix because I think they know what to do Amazon's been great with specials lately you You know, you know what's funny? People hate on Tubi. First of all, I love Tubi movies by the way. Breakfast Club is on Tubi. Yeah, I know. Yes, love Tubi. I got a deal with Tubi actually. And my bros are, people in Detroit are making mad, beautiful, and they're owning their piece. Directly too.

Yeah. In front of the, they directly. You should meet people where they are. There's a lot of us on Tubi. I love Tubi, Tubi's great too. At first it was, it kinda got random. You wouldn't get Denzel Washington, you get Denzel Washington, you know what I mean?

It'd be some bootleg Denzel and then, you know, Ethan Hawke, Evan Falcon, sorry, I'm sorry. So the Ethan Hawke, but no, sorry, so the Ethan Hawke. But now it's like, I feel like we laugh at that, but then you start seeing all these producers come up. You know what I mean? Detroit, all my bros, shout out to Dennis Reed, Man Robinson, all these guys that are killing

at the film game. And Tubi's definitely an option. I love Tubi, Tubi's great. They're definitely an option with that. So I could keep my ownership, you know what I'm tubi is definitely an option. I love to be tubi's graded They're definitely option with that so I could keep my ownership, you know saying so we'll see but with the drop was the special therapeutic view Oh hell yeah Yes Yes, and uh, you know, you know, I would say Terrence man Terrence talk a lot See Terrence Howard, we talked a lot about how we're not understood.

We both Pisces. So a lot of people don't understand the vicious fishes. We got one fish that I would say is very composed and the other fish is a little crazy. I wouldn't say crazy, but emotional I would say. We talk about how we're misunderstood. I'm eccentric, so we're misunderstood. You know what I mean? So when I went out with Terrence, me and him,

we talk a lot about what he goes through, how he... Go ahead, I'm sorry. No, he's just like, he's actually right about what he said, but nobody, he's in the special actually. Yeah, I don't think you're misunderstood. People just don't know the story. You got seven years. I'm talking about Terrence.

I know, I'm talking about you. Yeah, no. You got seven years to fill in and I think that's the specialist gonna do it. We only knew what we saw like media wise and like little bits of things here and there. Yeah, we just randomly say stuff. Yeah, when you would randomly,

and when you would say it, the boy would have go. It would be everywhere. I didn't even know that. And you don't want us to listen to YouTube. No, you don't. You do, you know what I'm saying? The deep dives on You get a little crazy.

I knew you was going to go here, too, in this interview. Which I'm happy you did. Because no one really actually talk about, where have I been in that layers. And even to be mature enough to speak about it in a way where I'm not emotional about it, I'm not hurt, I'm healed. And to see where I'm at now is a blessing. But I would say this, that I would say

that it was a spiritual hazing also. I think God was testing me. He does this a lot with people in, you know, I'm gonna say, I hate that word chosen, but people that he has a purpose for, he'll rip everything from you to see if you still gonna be with him. If you love, and I don't even say him, but it,

if you love it or the most high, if you love more than your career, more than everything, more than your family, and he did it to Joe, he ripped everything from it. That's right, that's right. And I guess I think I passed it. I don't wanna go through that again, I'll tell you that. Did you see Kyrie Irvin the other night

when he tore his ACL? No I didn't. He had tears in his eyes and he went to the free throw line. And you know, cause he had to take the two shots before he exited the game. He hit one and right before the second one he said, thank you God. Wow.

When he tore his ACL, he knew something was completely wrong, probably knew this was really bad injury one he said, thank you God. Wow. With the torn, he said he knew something was completely wrong, probably knew this was a really bad injury. He said, thank you God. Yeah. So just like, you know, we like to give praise to God when things are going good, but if you really truly are a believer, if you really truly have faith, you won't thank God when things are good and bad. So called bad, because I don't believe in either.

I don't believe in so called good or so called bad. I believe everything is just part of a process. That's what I'm learning. That's why I'm getting to that process. I'm getting to that, yeah. You on a journey. We all on a journey. You had a different chapter in your life right now.

BTJ be the journey right now. How did all of this though, the stuff that you went through and then once you're healed, then you come back to acting with family business. How do you, what are you channeling from all of this in your role now? Because I think in this role, I was more surprised to see you be like.

Serious? The bad guy, like not the bad, but like there's like guns and it's like, like I don't know, you were just always so clean to me in like a lot of the work that you did. Oh hey, I'm more edgy now? Yeah, like so how are you channeling that or is that even a thing in the family business,

New Orleans? You know, it's funny because we had a, my dad had a shoe company called Wayne T. Shoes back in the day in Detroit, the middle of Detroit, place we'd get robbed and stuff, but we were running the store. And that is the, like, even though I grew up in the dad run the business, guns, you know what I mean? I don't want to say too much, but like people would try to rob the bit.

We had the Gators and people tried to, the Cougies and all that. People tried to rob the, you know, we would have to, you know, chase them off and do this. So I remember the times when my dad would, I remember this one time this trucker put us over. My dad, hopefully he'll get mad if we tell this story. Cause my dad was, he from the streets before he became a pastor, drug dealer before he became a pastor, which is most Detroit preachers.

So he still had that edge and everything. So I remember one time this truck put us over, I mean, ran us off the road. My dad's like 5'8", he's like my size, 5'8". And I watched him pull this trucker out, this white trucker with a trucker hat, out of the freaking car. He was like 6', maybe 6'2", 6'3". Pulled him on the ground. And was like, I can't say the N word, right? You can say it again. He was like, nigga, if you ever mess with my family, ma-da-da-da-da. I was like, I can't say the N word right? He was like, nigga if you ever mess with my family, I was like, yo. So I saw my dad roar as a lion and the dude was, he was jacking him up.

My mom was like, stop, stop, stop. So I challenge, I'm channeling my father kind of. That's your character in the show. You're very protective over your family. I'm channeling that energy that is really not mine. It's really my dad's energy, because I grew up pretty cool. I didn't really have, I'm not going to be like, I grew up nice. But we also grew up running businesses in Detroit.

The church was over here. The shoe store was called Street. I had to watch the shoe store. I had to shine the shoes. I had to watch the register. So I grew up in the family business. I had to shine the shoes. I had to watch the register. So I grew up in the family business. So I'm challenging, I'm channeling that. The white side you see is my West Bloomfield,

you know, all white neighborhood. I got both, you know what I mean? That's why my jacket probably look like this. I got, I'm a variation of things, you know what I mean? So we look forward to seeing you and Chris Webber is the family business. Carl Webber. Carl Webber is a Chris Webber, Carl Webber.

And also when you're special, come on, come back up so we can talk about that special. I would love to. Send it to me, man, I wanna watch it. Listen, and it's fine, you can give me your honest opinion. I've, what I would say, I screened it for a lot of people and it got in a lot of festivals and my agent said don't put it in the festivals because we want to present it a certain way.

But it got a lot of good reviews from a lot of people that watched it. So I don't know. I love dramedy. Actually, European actually counts to me in comedy. Because I know you're a tough critic. You're analytical too. So I can see what you're watching. You know, like usually like when they bombing,

watching people figure it out. I do. I do. I love dramedies too. Dramedies specials, like I love, I think Neil Brennan did a phenomenal job with three mics. Yeah, he did a great job with that. I love Kevin Hart's last one, the reality check.

Yeah, it was good. I thought that was really good. And I like Andrew Schultz's new one, The Life. Yeah, Andrew. Cause he's talking about him and his wife's difficulty of having a child, but it was his fault. Yeah. He had the weak sperm. I like seeing people process their traumas through comedy.

Yeah, my next one's Classy Rebel. I want to talk about, I'm talking about the world, man. I'm just tired of these viewpoints of politics. I'm thinking I'm gonna go a little political on this next one. I remember you said you hate the fake woke movement. Oh, I hate the fake woke movement. I hate fake revolutions.

Like if we gonna do it, let's do it. I don't do fake, because I was ready. I was the only one ready to really ride. That's why I was ready to go, y'all. I created my own currency. We was going and nobody came. I was the only one. He's so ready for the run, Lucy.

You had your own currency. Yeah, we had a whole thing. A crypto currency? No, it wasn't crypto. Actually could still work if you do it right. But what was it? It was called Love Notes. He remember that.

Love Notes. Oh, like Usher Bucks? No, no, no, no. it's not Usher Bucks. Where do you spend them? Well, the infrastructure for it was, it wasn't gonna, it actually would stimulate the American economy and our own economy at the same time. So it was actually, I don't wanna actually give this away

because somebody might try to do it. But I give enough away. I would say that, because I'm not gonna give you the infrastructure, but the way it would work, we actually could pay things forward for people and from their businesses, it was creating an ecosystem for African-Americans without hurting. Because when you just take your own and say, we're gonna be our separate, forget that they always shut that down. So it was like, how do you barter with all Americans? How do you barter with white Americans? How you barter with, because you still got to do

business. So in this case it was like let's not be just fully Marcus Garvey in a situation. Let's stimulate our economy and you know in our ecosystem, but let's also take it and out their ecosystem. So it was more of a coupon system that that paid things forward for people that created an economy. It's called love notes. So it was more of a coupon system that that paid things forward for people that created a kind of it's called love notes So it was selfless sacrifice of love notes You can you can pay things forward and we had a little card and everything I got I got the whole financial system to help the back me and everything and then and then Pay to listen to a phone conversation between you and Terrence out

You told Terrence I got the math for that between you and Terrence Howard. I know you told Terrence and Terrence, I got the math for that. He do. You see what I'm saying? He actually does. He actually does. I got the math for that, man.

It actually works, too. If you really, we're actually free if you really, if you really know the knowledge of it. We're actually free, guys. We're not really, I don't think we're in captivity. I agree. I agree. Well, it's Brandon T. Jackson.

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I'll be joined by innovative leaders like Chairman and CEO of Elf Beauty, Tarang Amin. Legendary singer-songwriter and philanthropist, Jewel. Being a rock star is very fun, but helping people is way more fun. And Damian Maldonado, CEO of American Financing. I figured out the formula, you just have to work hard, then that's magic.

Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever-important creative spark, the magic. Listen to Math and Magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.