The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Caleb Plant Talks Fight Vs. McCumby, Beef With Jermall Charlo & Edgar Berlanga, Rematching Canelo + More

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Caleb Plant To Discuss The Fight Vs. McCumby, Beef With Jermall Charlo & Edgar Berlanga, And Rematching Canelo. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Jess is on maternity leave, so we have Lorne LaRosa. And, of course, we got our brother, Ak, with us this morning. We got a special guest in the building.

We have Caleb Plant. Welcome, brother. My man. How's it going? How you feeling? Man, feeling good. Feeling good. What's happening, brother?

Let's talk about you a little bit man how'd you how'd you get your start in boxing um well my dad was a fighter when he was younger and so you know naturally wanted to open that door for me and you know me wanting to you know a lot of young boys want to be like their dad when they grow up and uh just took to it right away and him and my uh granddaddy got put a little money together to open up like a little gym and was in there from like 245 to like 10 30 at night like six days a week loved it how old were you i started when i was nine yeah that's why i like organized competing when i was nine years old and that's all i wanted to do and at first I started kickboxing. And I had five world titles and nine national titles in kickboxing.

But I was, like, boxing simultaneously. So, like, one weekend my dad would drive me to Atlanta. One weekend my dad would drive to Chicago, drive to Virginia Beach. He was just driving me everywhere. But then when I got to 17, I was like, man, I don't really want to kickbox anymore. And there's no money in kickboxing I don't want to do anything else so I just want to do boxing so you used to probably fight a lot even outside of the ring or outside of like organized competition uh I've been in a couple

um just a couple just a couple I lost count but it's just a couple. But Tennessee, I mean, not known for fighters. When did you realize, all right, I could really be something in this sport, maybe put Tennessee on a map as far as boxing? I mean, maybe I was delusional, but I felt like when I was nine, I was like, man, I'm going to be this. I know I'm going to be this one day. And even in middle school, I would practice my signature on a piece of paper, fill up the whole thing.

Autographs. My teacher would come around and be like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm practicing my autographs. She's like, for what? I'm like, I'm gonna make it in boxing one day. She's like, you need to play in B. You need to play in B.

But yeah, I always felt like, man, I'm gonna make it big one day. Who did you look up to boxing-wise when you was growing up? Looked up to Floyd, Andre Ward, and then older fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfredo Benitez, James Toney, Hector Camacho, and then even older, like Georgie Benton

and people like that. So there's a long list of guys that I've been watching over the years, trying to steal moves from and take them and make them my own and just, you know, be a complete fighter. So, yeah, I got a long list of people that I respect throughout the game. Now you had to fight this weekend. What did you think of the fight?

The last weekend, I should say. Which fight? Canelo Berlanga. Just thought it was kind of a one-sided whooping. You know, he might have won maybe a round. So, but a lot of people expected Berlanga to probably get stopped, you know, halfway through the fight, round six, round eight, something like that. So, you know, he made it through.

Were you surprised about your fight? You fought McCombie. You know, were you surprised at how he started the fight and gained momentum after he knocked you down? I mean, no one goes into a fight like, I'm going to get an eight count. But I was locked in. We were taking him serious. You know, I feel like in today's game, it's like a popularity contest.

You know, if you're not like the most, don't have the most followers or you're not the most known, people will call you a bum. But, you know, we knew he was athletic, undefeated, you know, this was his big moment and he was coming to put it all on the line. And at the end of the second round, he caught me with a pretty good shot. And then in round four, I got caught on the shoulder,

fell down and they gave me an eight count, but I wasn't really tripping because I wasn't hurt or anything like that. So I'm like, man, just stay cool and just keep doing what you're doing. And then just switched up that game plan, took it to the inside. He was like wild, erratic, swinging crazy, like bull rushing me and stuff and kind of hard to read things. So took it to the inside and went from there.

You know, people are saying that your fight was the most entertaining of the night. You know, a lot of people are saying that. Is that important to you to please the crowd? I mean, you're known to be a slick boxer, but that was an entertaining fight. Is that important to you? It's not really.

It's important to me to stick to the game plan. You know, it's important to me to listen to my coaches. Today's boxing is filled with a lot of PE teachers, but I have real boxing teachers and people who study the game know the game. You said PE teachers? Yeah, PE teachers, trainers, people with the whistle and a stopwatch, but they don't teach boxing. But I have that.

My dad, Brett, and I trust them. You know, that's why they're in that position. So the game plan was to stick a moving box and then maybe step to them a little later on. But once I realized that things were a lot less erratic on the inside, I took it to the, in the fourth round, I stepped to them a little bit on the inside and I came back to the corner.

I'm like, man, that's where I need to be. And Brad was like, hey, you got to trust me, but we're going to be on the inside the rest of the fight. Him and my dad were saying that. I'm like, cool, I felt the same way. And that was the, you know, the answer. You know, the answer. That's what needed to be done, and, you know, we were all on one accord.

So that's what it's about. You know, I had been telling you guys over the last 18 months you know i really been working on smoothing the edge of my game and being the most complete fighter uh that or being that i'm the most complete fighter that i've been yet and then it was nice to be able to go out there and show that how do you know when to pivot in a fight though like at what point. Do you wait to get knocked down? Or do you, or when you're down in the cards? Like. I mean, it could be for numerous reasons. You know, I just felt in that moment, specifically speaking, you know,

just felt like the way he was bull rushing and being, like I said, erratic and unorthodox, unconventional. It was just, it just seemed like that that was the right move. And then when I came back to the corner, they were telling me the same thing. So then, like, once they reinforced that, I'm like, that's what I need to do. And so it just depends. There could be a million different reasons why. Maybe you get hurt.

You know, maybe you're down on the cards. Maybe in this situation where he was, like,ventional it could be for numerous reasons but um that's why it pays to be you know well-rounded and you know be able to be slick and move and box and stand your ground or uh move and then also to be able to you know fight in the pocket so every time you walk into a fight is your goal to knock somebody out or is it just to get through the fight like what's the uh just stick to the game plan and if the knockout comes, it comes like in 2022, I had KO of the year against Anthony Durrell, but it's not a shot that I was looking for.

It's just, you know, the best knockouts come when you're not looking for it, so. I was waiting for you to ask a question. First of all, I was letting y'all get- Why was you so quiet? I was listening to your story. Finishing our coffee. Mm, okay. What you getting at? Cause why you look at me when I ask that question? I ain't Why was you so quiet? I was listening to his story. Finishing her coffee.

What you getting at? Because why you look at me when I ask that question? I ain't trying to get at nothing. I'm just asking the question. Why you so quiet? I was waiting. I'm learning his story as I'm sitting here.

Let's talk Berlenga. Obviously, you guys have some drama leading up to the fight and on the press conference where, for those who don't know, Canelo kind of gave you a shot saying, I'll take care of him for you. Is he still on your radar?

Like, with that performance, do you think it's a big fight, you against Berlanger? I mean, I feel like it would, you know, the fans would be excited to see it. And, you know, he's one of the bigger names in the super middleweight division. And I'm always looking to you know get in there with people who have big names or are big challenges and so he called you a hater when he was up here he said that uh when you had your time to shine he never disrespected you

and he said now it's his time he said that you were a hater and you don't have a clip for a fighter you know uh khalid plant said you are an unworthy challenger for Canelo. He said you got a weak chin, lack of experience, and poor technical boxing skills. He said you have no experience against genuine world-class opposition and you struggled against the marginal competition that your promoters have carefully

selected for you to maintain your unbeaten record. What do you say to that? He's a hater. Period. He's a guy. you know it's a thing with him right and i told him when i seen him when i seen him in vegas i said yo i got a lot of respect for you because you've been at that level you know i'm saying even though you lost but you've been at that level like you fought canelo you fought benavidez and i got to give you that respect you got it you got to that level you feel me but i feel like now he clout chasing you feel me he's

doing a lot of weird shit just to just to be relevant again you feel me? But I feel like now he clout chasing, you feel me? He's doing a lot of weird shit just to be relevant again, you feel me? Because I feel like, and a lot of people know, dude don't sell, you feel me? He don't sell unless he's fighting a big fighter, you feel me? So I'm like, you a hater, bro. Because when it was your time to shine, when it was your time to step in that ring with Canelo and all these guys, I never bashed you. I never said nothing about you, you know what I'm saying? I let you have your moment, but you didn't take your opportunity. You feel me? You lost. You got knocked out.

So how did that, in Vegas, I saw you guys going back and forth on a clip that went viral, and you said you was giving him respect. So how did it turn into you guys going back and forth? What did he say to you? What was his response? Yeah, because, yo, bro, at the end of the day, I'm a dude, man, right? Like, I'm from New York, bro. I'm from the trenches, bro, you feel me?

So it's different how you come. You're gonna, if I'm giving you respect, you're gonna respect me, you feel me? And I gave him that respect, but he just kept going and going and going. Saying what though? Yo, bro, what's up, bro? Yo, you gonna give me that fight?

Yo, I'm like, nah, I'm focusing on September. I got Canelo. Oh, so he was talking about wanting to fight you. Nah, but forget about that. If you don't get Canelo, what's up? I'm like, nah, I'm not even worried about that. I got a plan A and we sticking with that. Nah, but he just kept going and going.

Oh yeah, but what happened with the sparring? He talking about sparring when I was like 17 years old. So you sparred him at 17? Yeah, and I'm like, but what happened in the sixth round? I fucked him up, I fucked you up, and I blew you out in the sixth round with a body shot. You ran out the ring. Oh, he started, oh, oh, I'm not. So that's when, you know, I got him on New York. So I just got, I turned it out on the sixth round with a body shot, you ran out the ring. Oh, he started, oh, oh, I'm not,

so that's when, you know, I got him on New York. So I just got, I turned it up on him. So you were 17 years old when you was sparring with him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a pro already. Yeah, yeah, he was pro. And I just turned it up on him, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you know, shit went viral,

Fat Joe called me like, yo, you sound like a real New York nigga, man. I mean, we were never around. And you don't get girls, he said. He's married, so. Oh, that's okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I got the top one. There you go, see what I'm saying? There you around. And you don't get girls, he said. He's married, so. Oh, that's okay. That makes sense. Yeah, I got the top one.

There you go. See what I'm saying? There you go. There you go. Trying to stir a pot. That's why I'm over here quiet. You didn't see the ring on that man's face? That's exactly why I'm over here quiet and listening and not just talking.

I was asking for her. That's why she was so quiet. First of all, no. Yes, it is. No, I got a top-notch one. There you go. Me too, brother. There you go.

Married game. Now y'all twinning. Shut up, brother. There you go. Marry game. Now y'all twin, shut up. So what do you think about that? I mean, when I had my chance, we were never around each other. So as far as him not hating, we never talked. But really I just seen him at the Jaime Munguia weigh in and all of a sudden I looked up

and a lot of the focus was like on Canelo and them because it's their fight and uh he's standing right next to me and I'm like hey what's up man how's it going and I was like man we need to make a big fight happen you know I'm sure you know it'd be good for boxing be good for the fans and um he was like yeah but I got a fight already uh I was like all right cool well you know uh if it don't work out, we can fight. And if it does work out, we can fight after, you know, whether you win or lose or whatever. And he's like on his, what does he say?

His New York, his bully shit or something like that. And I'm like, look, I get it. You got to fight. If you don't get it, we can make it happen, and he starts acting tough, and so I'm not taking a step back neither, and then I'm like, well, let's get the cameras over here and get it on for the boxing interview. It's like, hey, if he fights Canelo, we're going to fight after. If he don't, then we're going to fight next, and his daddy steps in front of him,

and all my life, all my boxing career, his daddy steps in front of him and on my life on my boxing career his daddy steps in front of him said no i don't say that on camera he said it quite like that i'm like oh yeah that gave me confidence because like if his dad was so you know confident in his son then just let him say yeah even if he wasn't going to follow through and do it like why not at least just say yeah for the cameras even if it was just for the cameras he's like no i don't say that so did your respect for him go up as a fighter seeing him go to distance with canelo i mean if that's like the is that like the level that we respect now like oh doesn't matter if he went around like as long as he survived you know not not really you know if a real fighter, you know, I'm not here to brag about who lost the best against Canelo because that seems silly, but at the same time, like, I definitely won more rounds

and I went out on my shield trying to win as opposed to, you know, yip-yapping the whole lead up and then just, for the most part, keeping my hands in my back pockets the whole fight. He's the big bad wolf who says he punches harder than Triple G, but he was the one getting walked down the whole fight. It's not like he stuck and moved and boxed and used his skills. Canelo was just walking him down the whole fight. Especially once it's like 10 to nothing, or in the 11th round, and you haven't won one round, it's time to to one or you know 10 to 10 to nothing or in the 11th round and you haven't won one round it's time to like put it on the line like if you get stopped

it's part of the game you know how many legendary fighters have been stopped roberto duran's been knocked out cole fell right on his face against tommy hearns you know muhammad ali's been been decked like just go out on your shield, who cares, but his ego wouldn't allow him to do that. He'd rather stay clean and pretty, and so, no, I don't really respect that. You fought Canelo and Benavidez, right? So who wins that fight in your opinion,

since you've been in there with both of them? I think it's hard to say. You know, on big fights like that you know they have different styles uh you know if Canelo caught him with the big punch because you know David has been dropped before it was he was off balance but he he has been dropped but if Canelo caught him and stopped him you know would we all be like man I can't believe that you know I don't think anybody would say that but if uh David you know got on Canelo and started flurrying a lot, and, you know, maybe in the later rounds

was able to, you know, get some steam or some momentum or something, I don't think we would be surprised either. So it's hard to say. Whoever's on that night and, you know, whoever's got the best game plan, whoever had a good camp, you know, there's a lot of variables that go into it

that lead up to, you know, a fighter having a successful fight. You can have, it's a lot, it's a lot. You know, speaking of those two opponents, you've always been somebody that wants to get your leg back, right? Wants to rematch guys that you lost to because you've been talking about Canelo again. So you want a revenge tour now? Yeah, if you had the opportunity, right?

Because there was obviously bad blood with Benavidez, a lot. Canelo, not so much. You guys seem to be cool now, but that's the bigger money fight. But deep down, what loss would you want to avenge more? Well, Canelo has more hardware, and, you know, for legacy. And, you know, putting, like, I would choose Canelo because he's got more hardware. You know, he's got three of the four belts.

Bigger check at the end of that too. I mean, yeah. You know, can't – no one ever got mad for getting paid more either, you know. Right, right. But I think a lot of people put the emphasis on the money when they fight Canelo. Right. And, you know, we all got to get our bills paid. But money is not like my number one reason why I box.

You know, I'm passionate about the sport. I'm a competitor. You know, I love boxing. It's done a lot of great things for me. So the money is obviously on the list, but it's not at the top of the list. It's the hardware, the legacy, you know, the honor, the glory. But I'd run it back with both of them. In a rematch with Canelo, how do you, like, what do you do different?

What do you improve? What do you change? Well, I didn't have the best camp that fight, so would like to just be able to have a better camp. And, you know, experience isn't, I've said this before, but experience isn't something you can borrow. It's not something you can buy. You know, you got to go through the fire to get it.

And since the Canelo fight, you know, I feel like I've done that. Fighting Canelo, then Darrell, two-time former world champ, David Benavidez, former two-time world champ. And now this guy who was ranked number nine in the WBA, I feel like I have that experience now. Is there a particular fight in your career that you feel like best defines you as a fighter?

Like if you had to show somebody, this is me as a boxer, which fight would that be? Well, my first world title fight against Jose Uscatigui, I was an underdog going into that fight. You know, I hadn't really like been able to properly introduce myself. And a lot of people were you know saying this saying that i was going to get beat going to get stopped and um i wanted to you know doing my thing that fight become world champ so either that or uh you know this last fight even though i got hit on the shoulder with a and got an eight count uh and then you know i got caught with a good shot in round two other than that he hit me with a couple of shots

here and there, but that's boxing. You're gonna get hit. But just making that adjustment, that'd probably be another one. Caleb, you feel like you have to fight or just be with a chip on your shoulder because guys like Bernard in the past has said, "'I'm never gonna let a white boy beat me.'"

And the other black fighters have said that. So do you feel like you have to be extra to prove to yourself like I'm not a regular white boy? I don't feel like I have to be extra. I think being yourself is how you get furthest in life. But you get tested. Like we all saw you smack Jamal Charles. But the way I respond is not me trying to be extra,

that's just who I am. Because I don't think, if someone's grabbing on your face and you ask them to stop and they do it again, then they're saying, saying things about being a white boy in front of your peers, in front of your wife. If you respond the way I did, that's not being extra.

That's just, that's what a lot of grown men would do. But do you feel like you tested more, because you're quiet, soft spoken? Yeah, I think so. It's been like that my whole life though, but like, you know, I guess to your point, as motivation and, you know, hopefully like, by the time I'm retired, you know,

fighting like a white boy might mean something different, you know what I mean? How do you know to slap and not punch? Because the instinct would be to just throw a punch, right? I mean, in that moment, he was trying to treat me like a little boy, so I treated him like a little boy. Damn.

So that was just you responding to what was happening in the moment. That don't mean it's gonna officially be like an actual fight with y'all? I mean, it can be. He fights in 160. I fight in 168. His last fight, he fought at a catchweight of 163 against a guy who fights at 147.

And he came in at, this is a lot of numbers, but he came in at like 166. So he even came in overweight on the catchweight. So he's a super middleweight at this point. So we could definitely make a fight happen. You know, he's going through things in his personal life. And, you know, I made a statement saying, like, whatever happened between us could be set on the back burner for now.

You know, he's got things he's going through. Go handle that. And we can make a big fight happen. Until then, you know, I don't think it'd be right for me to like continuously like have my foot on his neck or be pressing him about certain things like he's got you know enough on his plate and you know he's got kids and I'm sure we'd all like to see him get himself together and you know go out and make a decent living for his family so is is that you, cause I know you went through stuff in your personal life, like 2014 with your daughter and then losing your mom as well too.

Are you able to like be empathetic like that and remove the boxer or the fighter because you've been through your own things or. I mean, I could honestly like care less what somebody has been through. That's not an excuse to not know how to act. You know, boxing's a grown man sport. So if you're going to be in here, you're going to have to act like a grown man because there's grown men in here.

And if you act like a little boy, then one of us might treat you like a little boy. So if you need help, I'll be the help you need, you know, as far as whatever you're going through. If you're not – if you can't hold it together well enough to just be out and about then you should be inside you know regardless of what you've been through because like you said you know i've been through we've all been through things but we're not walking around grabbing people by the face or not even that situation how do you grab you by your face for you to slap because i was like he did like that and pulled on my beard and i pushed him back i'm like yo

what are you doing like don't i was mad you know don't ever grab me by my face again and he reached up and did it right again and you only grab someone by their face for two reasons either one you want to fight them or two you don't think they're going to do anything oh they want to kiss you that's the right thing yeah or three hopefully I'd rather be one of the first two why why why, bro. Why? Why? Why'd you take it there? Like, that was not even an option. Like, damn. You were taking it. Oh, well, not.

Yes, you were. Oh, God. Now, how did you mentally stay focused after, you know, those terrible obstacles happened in your life? Like, how do you even just stay focused? I mean, not even, forget fighting, just to show up in the world. Yeah. Because everything's so public too.

Yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, you got two choices, you know. If something's going on, you can either keep going or you can quit. And if you quit, you know, whatever situation you're in is probably going to be like that forever. You know what I mean? And it's always going to be messed up.

You're always going to wonder what if. But if you keep going, you know, who mean and it's always going to be messed up you're always going to wonder what if but if you keep going you know who knows what will happen and I guess I just always had like this voice in my head that was like if you keep going it's going to work out if you keep going you're going to make it if you keep going you know things are going to come together and so like I just kept listening to that kept kept going and there was no way that I could allow myself to live forever in the situation that I was in. I needed more than that. And just kept putting one foot in front of the other, I guess.

Just don't quit. You either quit or you keep going. Absolutely. Now you and Fat Joe had some words at one time too, right? Yeah, we had a uh How'd you know that I know everything Yeah I'm fat you always get into it

With boxes man Like why Like That's where he lasts on his list Yes But that was based on Berlanger Cause you know He's siding with Berlanger

Him and Berlanger Had some drama Yes I seen him um At the fight I was like headed to the back To the back of the T-Mobile And he was walking this way

And uh When we were walking Past each other I'm not sure I was like headed to the back, to the back of the T-Mobile, and he was walking this way. And when we were walking past each other, I'm not sure if he said something first or if I said something and he said something right back, or if like we kind of caught each other out of the corner of our eye and we both just turned around and started like yapping at each other. But he must have been pretty bothered because you know about it. No, he didn't tell me. I heard it.

What did he say to you? Well, then, he's telling other people then. And I was at Secret Con yesterday, and somebody came up to me and told me, like, Mayor, that's his manager? The mayor. Oh, that's his business partner. Okay, okay. It was like, yeah, this, that, and the third, Fat Joe's man. So I guess he must have been pretty bothered.

What'd you say? For everybody to find out. I don't know. We were just walking by each other, and he said, how does it feel having to get up off the ground three times? Because from the shoulder and the other two times, I just fell. He just said, hold on. So Joe just randomly said that to you?

Yeah, which is weird because I won. And two of them, one, he caught me with a decent shot. The other two, like, just fell, you know? So, like, that's not really a flex to say how did it feel getting him off the ground three times. If I won, become an interim champ, stop the guy. Your guy lost every round. Like, what do you mean how did it feel? Felt better than not getting my hand raised.

So I don't know. I don't know how little old me could have all them that bothered. You know, if you and Berlanger were to fight, though, like leading up to the fight, the press, there might be some drama. You're known to swing on people out the ring. You did it with Canelo, with Charlo. How bad would that press tour be with you and Berlanger? Yeah, man. That would be nasty.

I don't know. I've never retaliated towards somebody who wasn't disrespectful. Not even that, but like putting their hands on me or, you know, being trying to harass me

or something like that. i mean i don't know i can't say do they warn you about that about putting your hands on people outside during i mean my manager has like had a discussion with me but not in a sense of like you're not doing the right thing it's like look you know I know that certain people have, you know it's like I know they're starting it, but just be careful, just be smart. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Is the boxing commission doesn't fine you for that? Just, cause it's still a business, right? I mean, like if I get in a fight outside, you don't get in trouble in boxing, you know? They don't care about that. Is it true that the hands have gotta be related to this weapon? That's always been a rule, that's not true. That is so, no, they don't care about that. Is it true that the hands have got to be registered as weapons? That's always been a rule, that's not true.

That is so, no, that is not true. Definitely not true. I've heard that so many times, like, no, that's not true. Now, if you get in a fight and you hurt somebody and then the judge sees that you're a professional boxer, you know, they could be like, hey, you could get more trouble for that. But if you're defending yourself or, you know,

self-defense, like, just because you're a boxer, you can't necessarily get in more trouble as long as you're in the right. What do you feel, working with somebody like Al Heyman for all these years, who was one of the most powerful men in boxing for so many years, and to some degree, he still is, right? But obviously, his excellency, Turkey Al-Ashik,

has come into the sport and poured so much money into it. Obviously, we saw the AJ fight in London, and then Bud Crawford, who your friends were in L.A. Do you like him for the sport, and do you think guys like him and Al can coexist together and make big fights together? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they can coexist. You know, Bob and Al have coexisted.

Oscar and Al and Bob have coexisted. So, you know, I'm sure they can all coexist with another guy jumping in. But do you like him for the sport? Yeah, I mean, hey, if he's treating fighters well, if he's paying fighters well and, you know, doing good by the sport, you know, I'm going to be a... That's good in my book. You know what I'm saying? Would you fight if he offered you

on one of his re-out season cards? Would you work with Turkey and fight on one of his cards? I know that he works with Al. He's had a couple fighters over there, David Murrell. But I'm with Al and Luis, and if he ever wanted me on a show,

I'd be open to that. He would just have to go do it the right way. And, you know, we'd all have to come to an agreeance and, you know, be on one accord because, you know, Al and Luis have taken good care of me for a long time now. You've been loyal to them. Yeah. Who's next for you, Munguia or Berlanga? I think, you know, the Berlanga or the Charlo fight makes more sense. I think it's more exciting for boxing, more exciting for the fans.

Yeah, I think one of those. One of those two? What you think? What do you think, Charlamagne? I think Berlanga would be hot right now. I think you and Berlanga would make a great card right now. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I like the Charlo brother too, but Berlanga's hot right now. Both of y' would be hot right now. I think you and Berlanga would make a great card right now. Yeah. I mean, I like the Charlo brother too,

but Berlanga's like hot right now. Both of y'all are hot right now. Been in the gym. Yeah. It just makes sense for y'all to, it just makes sense from a boxing fan perspective. That's what I would want to see. I think so too.

Yeah. You know, I know you're in New York. You're a big fashion dude. Like you're doing a lot of shopping. Mm-hmm. Oh boy. I seen something on Instagram where somebody was comparing you and

berlinga like his style because he's from new york what so they can't compare talk about that what you could talk about what you know like style fashion like what it's all like you don't think he can compete with you on that say what you don't think he can compete with you in that department i mean probably just different styles he likes to wear like all designer you know right that's i'm not really into that right but um i think fashion for me just like stem from probably not having any of that stuff when i was a kid and like you know wanting nice shoes wanting nice clothes wanting nicer things and but fashion is something i've gravitated towards you know uh even before like i had the money to buy like oh you know i like this style

like that and i have my own clothing brand now revenge tour yeah that's been doing stuff yeah yeah it's been doing real well and um you know people have really gravitated towards it and you know probably feel a connection to it in their own life. And then also seeing that I actually have lived that life. You know, I'm not just trying to make something cool for everybody to want to buy. Like, I'm a good representation of that, I feel like. And so that's something I plan on, you know, running up. What made you want to go into revenge tour?

Because, I mean, to me, you've had a great boxing career. Like, you don't duck nobody. You're getting there with whoever the challenge is. So what makes feel like you know you're an underdog now who has to i guess seek revenge um well i thought of it after i lost to canelo like a clothing brand is something i've always wanted but just had been sitting on a name trying to uh see which direction i wanted to go and then after losing to canelo i'm like you know i go from place to place stop to stopelo I'm like you know I go from place to place stop to stop like a tour so you know I could write that wrong and you know get back at Canelo but it's also like a representation in life you know it's not really just about my boxing

career but from where I started in life you know things that I've been through and you know going from each place stop to stop so I can, you know, get my revenge on life and not end up where I started. You know, make a better way for my family, make a better way for my children. And, you know, I feel like we can all relate to that. You know, we've all been told no. We've all been told we can't accomplish this or that because of what we look like or where we're from. And, you know, that motivates us to go out there and be like, no, I'm going to get my revenge. I'm going to show you what I can do.

I'm gonna show you how far I can run it up and take it. And so it's not just about my boxing career, but it's about life in general. We've all had those things where we can relate to that. You know, suffering the loss, obviously you've experienced that in big profile fights. What would you say to AJ after the big upset loss against Dubois this past weekend?

Just, you know, take a little time for your family. And then he seems really motivated to keep going. He's already made like two statements, I think. So just get back in the gym, you know, get back in the lab, get back to work, you know, work on some of those mistakes you were making and come back. I feel like a lot of fighters in this era, when they lose, I don't know if they read too much into social media and read too many comments

and start believing what people put. But that's just always been weird to me. With Canelo, I come back to real, even this fight, come know, come back. It's like I haven't really lost any confidence because it's like that's not really how boxing works. You know, if you're a real student in the game and you look back through history, like all the top fighters have, you know, lost. And someone like AJ, who's went against, you know, big smoke throughout his career, a lot of big time fighters, sometimes that's gonna happen.

And it's like going to a national tournament as an amateur. You may pull up and you think you're gonna win the whole national tournament, you may lose in the quarter finals, semi-finals or the first day. But then when you show up to the next national tournament, you're like, I'm gonna win this. Can't let these dudes beat me.

Do you think he could be three time world champion again, Anthony Joshua? I mean, I wouldn't put it past him. And I think that the Wilder fight is a lot more interesting now. Are we really more dead at this point? I mean, I think after this last weekend or whenever he fought, yeah, Saturday, I think it's back interesting again. Both of them losing, I guess. That's what people are basing it on.

And that fight that people always wanted. Yeah. But I never understood a fighter losing one time and then he's ruined for forever. Yeah, yeah. That's a new era. Because back in the 80s and 90s, that didn't exist. I think it's how you lose, though. That's a big part, too.

Not just losing, but how you lose, for sure. We watched him lose really bad to Ruiz, really bad't believe that. I think it's how you lose, though. That's a big part, too. Not just losing, but how you lose, for sure. Like, we watched him lose really bad to Ruiz, really bad to Dubois. Like, U6 fights was cool, right? But those were some—you're not supposed to lose that bad to Ruiz and Dubois. Well, I will say, even though he lost in the way he did, it wasn't like a 12-round butt whooping where he just, like, was clearly outclassed for the whole fight. You know, it's like he's doing pretty good or it's kind of even. Maybe he's up a little bit.

And all of a sudden he gets caught with a big shot and he can't recover. Dubai was a butt kicking from beginning to end. I didn't see the fight, but from the get-go it was. Oh, yeah. Getting caught, huh? Getting caught too much. It was just that he didn't recover from the first knockdown. Seemed like he was tired and sluggish, clinching.

It wasn't like an onslaught, but it just, he wasn't there. So you seen the clip though, the knockout. Yeah, I seen the clip. And I was like, man, he didn't hit him that hard. But I guess he had been dropped before that. Yeah, those guys are 250 pounds though. He had already been dropped though, and so he was hurt. Three times before, right?

Yeah, he got dropped three times before that. Yeah, yeah. Are there any active fighters times before, right? Yeah, he got dropped three times before that. Yeah, yeah. Are there any active fighters today that motivate you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm a boxing fan. So, you know, people like Terrence Crawford and, you know, even Errol Spence. You know, he's a hell of a fighter, great fighter, and a crazy hard worker. I like Shakur Stevenson.

Some of these people do not like each other at all, so I might catch them, but they're all my friends. But Devin's a great fighter. Shakur's a great fighter. Gervonta, Terrence Crawford, Usyk, Fury, Boots Ennis, Stephan Fulton, Scooter. Yeah, there's a long list of guys that I enjoy watching. Errol though, because of that one loss against Bud,

it seems like everybody's writing him off now, even though he's a hell of a fighter. He's a great fighter. Canelo. Canelo's a great fighter. I mean, sorry, Bud has been one in the Canelo fight, obviously, you've seen it all over. How does that fight play out?

I don't know, I don't know. I think some people like 100% write it off after the israel fight um but that people again some people i've seen quite a few comments calling him a bum leading up to the fight but he was bivouac's lead sparring partner for canelo when bivouac fought canelo right And if he's sparring Bilbo the whole camp, you know what I'm saying? He's a decorated amateur. He's got over 300 fights.

Like I said, it's a popularity contest. So now maybe he, with a little more activity, he would have looked different in that fight. Or maybe stylistically, he just didn't want to take as many chances. But Terrence definitely won that fight and even started to pull away in the end, I thought. I didn't think it was that close to where people were saying.

I just don't think Magimorph landed any really significant shots outside of the jab. I thought Bud landed that significant shot. Indeed, yeah, indeed. Well, Caleb got to go, guys. You got a question? Yeah, I did. It was back when you were talking about motivation.

I saw that you had posted the Girl Dad sneakers. Oh, yeah. The Kobe's. Or the fighting shoes. Yeah. The Kobe's. Talk about Kobe as a motivation because you talked about a lot of boxers but like you specifically said he gave you motivation for years oh yeah so what what was that motivation specifically like what from kobe inspires you in your uh fights uh well just like since i was a kid like feeling like

studying the greats you know great to be great greats, you know, great to be great, to be successful, you know, you got to be intentional. And so just taking time to watch like every YouTube video I could on certain, certain athletes, certain coaches, certain artists, and, um, you know, Kobe's, uh, dedication and sacrifice that he made to get to where he got, you know, that's, um, something you got to tip your hat to and respect. And so, uh, just watching a lot of his motivational videos over the years and studying things that he implemented into whether it be physical recovery, his nutrition, you know, numerous different things like that

and wanting to put that in my arsenal and, you know, so that I can try and be the best athlete I can. Yeah, he's given me a lot of motivation. And then obviously with Charlie and Aaliyah and then the girl, I can. Yeah, he's given me a lot of motivation. And then, obviously, with Charlie and Aaliyah and then the girl, Dashu, coming out, I felt like it'd be perfect timing to put all that together. Before you get out of here, one last question. If you can name your next three opponents with no stipulations,

in that order, who would they be? In order? Yeah. Charlo or Belanga and then the other one after that and then Canelo. Charlo, Belanga, Canelo. Yeah, or Belanga or Charlo, Canelo. One of them.

Or any three order but those three. It can be in any order. Well, Caleb, we appreciate you for joining us this morning. Absolutely. It's Caleb Plant. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Thank you.