The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Cari Champion Talks Podcast, Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese, Racism In The WNBA, Price Of Success + More

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

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It's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God. We are The Breakfast Club. Lauren LaRosa filling in for Jess while she's on maternity leave. And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. Carrie Champion. Welcome back. Thank you for having me.

How are you feeling? I feel great. I'm so happy. I just would like to say, you guys need better customer service. I agree. What happened? So I came in. Well, first of all, they told me to come an hour ago, right?

You were here an hour ago? Yeah, just real. No. 9.65 was the time. Yes, she was. She was sitting there for an all, they told me to come an hour ago, right? You was here an hour ago? Yeah, just real. No. 9.45 was the time. Yes, she was. She was sitting there for an hour. You had to wait for an hour. What were we doing?

I don't know what y'all was doing. That's crazy. Correct. Nobody said that. That didn't happen. No, that definitely happened. That definitely happened. Okay.

Then I sat down, and somebody was like, do you need anything? I was like, yeah, I need some coffee. And then I never. And that somebody is a person by the name of Brandon. Who's Brandon? Brandon is a young man from Ghana who works here. He's a producer. He don't like black women, though.

He likes white women. So that could explain it. So if I was white, I would have got the coffee. You definitely would have probably had a few choices for you. Karen Champion, you would have got your coffee. Karen Champion is insane. Karen would have got the coffee. Carrie didn't get the coffee.

Got it. Lauren, you look great. Thank you. It's so good to see you again. We're back again. Damn, two lines back to back you done told in this studio. That's crazy. What's up with you today, Carrie?

Why? She looks great. Why? You up with you today, Carrie? Why? She looks great. Why? You know she looks great. Why? Why? Why you done come here lying? When the devil try to stop your jewelry, you don't look to that side of the room.

Because he know you fine. And he's stopping it right now. You fine. Period. You fine, fine. Well, Carrie is the host of the Naked Podcast. You're back for the fourth season on the Black Effect iHeartRadio Podcast Network. And this season is a little different.

Yeah. Because you have the Making of a Rivalry podcast. Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. Why are you pitting the women against each other? I knew you was going to say that. Okay, so, well, first off, here's the thing. So I call a friend of mine, a little short man, and I go, hey, short man,

I want to do this idea, and I think it's great. I said, everybody thinks that these two ladies don't like each other. And the way we work, we see the world through our own lens. So if you're black, I'm riding with Angel. And if you're white, I'm riding with Caitlyn. I don't care what anybody says. I felt that.

As opposed to just letting these women play ball. And I said, rivalry is not a bad thing. And everybody's comparing it to magic and bird. And I'm like, that was a good thing, right? It helped the NBA. That's the reason why the finals were no longer delayed. They were live. And I was like, this is a good thing.

The WNBA has always been great, but they needed these supernovas to bring people to the WNBA to pay attention, to see how special they were. They already had Asia. They already had all these great people. Candace, Breonna Stewart. I can go down the list of all these great players, but for whatever reasons, this storyline was so compelling.

And my argument is this country is just built on race. So if you have black versus white in anything I'm locked in anybody's locked in because you want to pick a side and you want to put all your tropes on whomever's the person you decide to vote for or ride with I'm referring to the election and so my mind is why don't we talk about the making of a rivalry and how this is really something special and how it's about to take women's sports to a whole new level and my man man says, yes, great, genius. And so what I found out by doing this docuseries is six parts.

We have six episodes that we're doing in real time while the WNBA playoffs are happening and soon we'll be into the finals. And it's been a ride and it's been really good and special. I think we're doing it for the culture. I think I'm learning a lot about how people see women who play sports. And I also know that I had to really talk about what I felt because I know I was riding with Angel too. Right. So what do you feel? Like, what have you, what have you learned? Cause I mean, you, you already were all in,

you very educated on the subject, but what did you learn new? That might've changed your perspective a little bit. Like, you know what? I do root for Caitlyn as well. I like Caitlyn. I think Caitlyn's a great, I think she's a baller. I think she just wants to play. What I do, what I don't like is how some people in the media, some of my colleagues are like, how come she not, you know, denouncing racism

and how come she's not? And I'm like, she will when she learns. How long does it take a woman to find her voice in this world? She grew up in Iowa. She's 22 years old. I'm not caping for her, but I'm like, she didn't have the experience to speak on that. Remember when LeBron wasn't speaking on Black Lives Matter

and all these other issues and they held him accountable and he finally said, okay, I have something to say. You gotta be educated and you gotta be comfortable before you start talking about it. And she's getting there and she'll be even better as the years come along, but I didn't like that. I also didn't like how they treated Angel.

Angel had the best moment of her life, the best moment of her life. The crowning achievement is to win a championship. And when she won this championship, all these new fans and all these new analysts wouldn't even celebrate this queen. She had to deal with all this vitriol and hate and death threats.

And all she did was say, I'm about to get a ring. You can't see me. The reality is, is that they have been whomever anybody wanted them to be before they walked on that stage. As a white woman, we already define who you are. As a black woman, we already define who you are. And what I mean by we is society. They come from two different worlds. They live two different lives. They are who they are. Their talent is who they are.

So she grew up in Baltimore, so Angel's going to talk trash. Kaitlyn talks trash, too, just differently. And you ever remember, let's talk about your tired cowboys. You ever remember that time a long time ago? So disrespectful for no reason. This is when Tony Romo, tired Tony Romo, was quarterback. And Dez Bryant is trying to hype him up, like, we can do this, we can do this. And he's on the sideline.

And he's talking to him with all this energy. And you hear the commentator saying, oh, boy, Dez is mad. Look at Dez. He's so mad. And he's yelling at Tony. And Tony was like, no, actually, he was trying to hype me up. He was telling me that we got this. We can win this game.

Now, when Tom Brady would sit on the sideline and throw his helmet and cuss everybody out, yeah, Tom's really frustrated with the game. He's frustrated with what's going on. And we do that. Me, media, everybody does that. And so I'm finding out that I have my own bias. I have my own attitude.

I even cover the game differently. White tears don't move you. Listen, at all. Thank you very much. But my point is we have to stop doing that. Like media has to stop doing that. I think the way that the fans are watching this game, they shouldn't do that.

And I think what I'm finding out in this podcast is that most of us don't like to see women compete like athletes. Women can't be on the court trash talking. We can't be in your face. But it's quite all right to do it in the NBA. We can do it in the NBA. We can't do it in the WNBA. And it makes no sense. I want to ask you something about the WNBA thing.

Well, just really, Kaitlyn and Angel, are they required to talk about anything other than basketball? Do we need them to? Do we need Kaitlyn, our angel, to speak out about anything? Racism, sexism, do we need them to? I don't know if we need them to. Listen, in this world we live in today, you don't have that luxury. I think sports, politics, and culture all intersect.

That's what we're doing on Naked Sports. Sports, politics, and culture intersect. And especially in a WNBA that's been dealing with racism since its inception, you have to talk about it. So now you can't hide it. You have these two big stars, and they are talking about it. So you can't hide it. It's been happening, but now we have these two stars, and they're talking about it, and they're hide it it's been it's been happening but now we

have these two stars and they're talking about it and they're not letting you get away with you have to unfortunately you don't want to talk about certain things but you have to you have a voice i should tell you that a long time ago what i don't want to talk about i'm making up something right now my point is is that you are required when you have a response look with great responsibility comes great pressure and and and vice versa you have to be able to stand on your feet and say, this is what's happening. And this is what these ladies have to do, whether they want to talk about it or not.

What do you think about their first season, both their rookie seasons? I think Kaitlyn was, I think she was not playing well when she first started. I think there was a lot of hype, but I think she figured it out. I think she is a generational talent. Absolutely. I think Kaitlyn, when they didn't take her to the Olympics, she got in the gym. She got in the lab. She came back better than ever.

She took this team that had never been to the playoffs within the last 10 years. She took them straight to the playoffs. I mean, out the first round, but that's a remarkable turnaround. She didn't do it alone. She had Aaliyah Boston and other players, but what she was able to do for that team was transcendent. And then, as far as Angel's concerned, this is a thing.

They both are so good in college, and everybody's like, oh, they rookie year, it's not going to be this, it's not going to be that. They answered every single call. Everyone thought they'd be average. They were more than average. They over-exceeded expectations. They over-exceeded expectations.

They weren't nervous. They got there. They were like, this is my stage. And what? Not thinking twice. Angel goes to the Met Gala, then returns, and then puts up another record-breaking rebound day a game and i'm like wait a second she's not this is who she is this is what they do they're they're not bothered by

these like all the spotlights back in the day the wmba in my opinion i felt like the women were i felt like they were quiet i felt like they felt like they had to be a certain way. And these ladies don't even know what that means. This generation don't know what that means. I'm showing up. What you said is very important because back in the day, the NBA was just as good, but for whatever reason, they didn't have a voice. They didn't.

There was no voice to it. I would interview these women. I'd be like, tell me something. And they'd say what they thought they had to say. They're not doing that now, which I love. And that makes the game so compelling, and that's why everybody's paying attention. And now when you know Cheryl Swoops, you was like,

I know she had a lot to say back then. Hello. You know Dawn Staley had a lot to say back then. You know they had something to say. But it was new. And it's 28 years young. It's still very young. And this is around the same time, if we even look at history,

about 30 years into the NBA. That's exactly around the same time that the NBA started to do well. And people could see the profit in the NBA not the ABA but the NBA when it merged and it takes a while for everybody to find their footing and what the foundation is and what it looks like so the problem now not even the problem they have to in the WNBA right now they have to address the racism Charlamagne disagrees with me on this I and I want to get your thoughts he thoughts. He's like, it's the price of being famous. Price of success, yeah.

It's the price of success. He's saying the women just have to deal with it. Like, it just comes to the territory of making money. Do you agree with that? When it comes to the racism? Yeah. Absolutely. I agree too.

Why? I mean, because how do you get around it? How do you not? And especially, you said in the world we live in today, if you don't, people create a narrative and then you got to fight back against that. So you kind of, like, fuck yourself over a bit. So you're just saying just put your head down.

No, no, no. I'm saying they need to deal with it. Like, they have to deal with it. Not put your head down at all. Yeah, let's be clear, though, because, you know, the internet will take this out of context. It's not just the racism. It's the heckling, right?

So it's the heckling. It's the people outside your hotel. All of that comes with being successful. But that's two separate conversations. And to be clear, I'm not saying put your head down, just deal with it. I mean deal with it like say something. But with the heckling and stuff like that, I think there's an even trade because sometimes people,

like when the NBA players do it, it's a topic. It kind of adds character to a player. But I can understand him being like just don't even address it. But when the NBA players do it, people talk about it as if it's a great thing. So why can't the girls do it? One of the ladies got called a nigga bitch. Yeah. But NBA players get called bitch niggas all day. You know what I'm saying?

It's different with a girl. Even watching it's different with a girl. So here's the double standard that I brought up to Charlamagne. He was like, the men deal with it all the time. I agree. They do deal with it. And now they've gotten to the point, we've seen LeBron and Russell Westbrook point out the player and say you have to go.

Throw him out, yep. Caitlyn did that in her second game of the playoffs. She was like, this one right here, he has to go. I agree with that. But this double standard where the women should, and it's a different double standard. The women should just deal with it because the men just deal with it.

It doesn't hit the same way, does it? No. It doesn't hit the same way, does it? No. It doesn't hit the same way. But why not? Because they're NBA stars. They're WNBA stars. They are athletes. They're on that platform.

They're going to be called a whole bunch of things. Like Charlamagne and myself are called a whole bunch of things. Well, you deserve to be called a fraggle maggot. You a fraggle maggot. Don't say that. Fraggle maggot. This guy's a fraggle maggot. You don't want to know.

It's a word that they are not supposed to say. You see the baby oil behind him over there? Is that what Donnell brought in the other day for you? Yes, yeah. Stop demonizing baby oil. I'm not. I'm just saying look at the baby oil. Anyway, go ahead.

Continue, Fraggle Mad. As I was saying, I think if you put anybody into that celebrity light, they have to deal with it. Whether you're a boxer, whether you're a baseball player, whether you're a... It doesn't matter who you are. If you're a celebrity, you have to deal with it. Lauren has to deal with it now. If we're, yeah. But it's still different.

Why is it different? Because as a woman, there are different things that people throw on me that like, I don't want on me. As a man, y'all don't get that. That's not true. That is true. First of all, how you gonna tell a woman that it's not true?

For instance, right? If you're outspoken. No, you're saying there's things that I wouldn't want on me. There's plenty of things you can say to a man that you don't want on him. I'm not saying that you don't want it on you. What I'm saying is that regardless if you want it on you or not, you can react and people champion you.

And if you don't react, it's like, oh, he's used to his celebrity. If a woman chooses to not react, it's like it's going to keep going to a point where it becomes her and she has no defense against it because she hasn't said anything. But then if she says something, it's like who she thinks she is she's doing you there you damned if you do you damned if you yes like it's not the same for men and that is that is a true that is a true statement and so you you all live in a different world it's truly a man's world the older i get the more i realize i don't like damn y'all got everything you got to navigate like even in this room there are certain things that

you guys can do and say very confidently that even if i confidently do and say people just take it differently but i think there's a lot that you can say confidently that we can't say yes yeah maybe certain topics when you talk about certain things if if we say it wrong especially when it comes to women anything about women if we say it wrong we're in trouble but you can say whatever you want about men is is and that's the honest truth. Hold on, I think we're taking the conversation somewhere different. Because that ain't true. All I'm simply saying is, and this is all I'm simply saying about the WNBA or anybody that's successful, there is no defense to it.

Meaning that these people can say whatever they want about us, and there's nothing we can do about it. Like, literally, we can speak out against it. We can, you know, say that's wrong, but it's not going to stop it. So you've got to find ways to not but it's not going to stop it. So you've got to find ways to not let it affect you and not affect your game. I agree with that. But here's where we draw the line. Caitlin has said as well. Angel has been very vocal about this on her podcast. Angel, we said they followed me home. There's death threats. There's now not saying there's not death threats for the men, but there is a certain level of

vitriol that a black woman gets for being comfortable in her own skin and being unapologetic. I can't even describe it. And I think I'm not a black man, so I wouldn't know how to relate to what the vitriol you would get would be. But for a woman being confident and comfortable in her own skin, especially a black woman, there's something so very frightening about it. Look at the election. When Kamala walked over there and shook Donald Trump's hand in his space and was like, what's up? Do you know how many people were like, how dare she? That's what she wanted to me. That's what she wanted to us. That's what she wanted to us. He was backing up like, whoa. The optics. He was afraid of her.

And you know what's scary? Because he knows she's intelligent, she's smart, and she's ready. And that's exactly what Angel is. Intelligent, smart, and she's ready. And she's unapologetic. And that is frightening on a different level. And there's absolutely no respect for her because of the fact that she does that. And so there is sometimes, in my opinion, that enough is enough. You following me home because I was trash talking?

But nobody should be following you. They made up pictures and said it's for her family But nobody should be following her. They made up pictures and sent them to her family. I agree with that. Regardless. But I don't necessarily know. And this is one thing that I will say. I'm sure other players have dealt with that. Like what LeBron went through when he decided to leave Cleveland

and go to Miami. I'm sure it was a whole other level. Like let's be real. Like the way that he dealt with that was probably better than anybody could have dealt with that. And I don't even think anybody in the WNBA has been experienced what he probably had to deal with. But because of his level of success, because of his level of success. But there is like you look, the WNBA needs to invest in more security.

They need to have a no nonsense policy. They need to have a commissioner who talks about this and say, we won't tolerate this, although it will happen. Angel has to invest in her own personal security. Angel has to invest in her own personal security. She has to invest in her own personal security. And Kaitlyn Clark, I think when she's comfortable, will be able to talk about this in a way that says, don't put this on me. This is not about what I want to do.

Don't put your tropes, your beliefs on me. But that's if the salaries can support it as well. They're not getting paid like NBA players. So if she can't afford a full-time security, that's a lot. That's a lot on the person. Yeah, you're right. But they making money. But I do feel like this.

Those two are making money. Yeah, but even to your point, I think WNBA should provide security even outside of the stadium. I agree. I agree. Especially for their top-level talent. Yes. That's having to deal with that. Yes.

That's their investment. I'm surprised they put them on. I'm happy they put them on private planes. Yeah. So they don't have to be in the airport with people harassing them. They had to. It started with Brittany Griner. They had to.

They were rolling up on Brittany, mad at her, saying she wasn't a patriot. They were upset at her because she came home first. And so they had to do that. And unfortunately, there is some onus on the NBA as well. They work together. They should be able to give them money too. Let me hold something and let's figure this out. And so I do understand what you're saying as a woman,

it's a different level of response. It's a different, it hits differently. You can't say you damned if you do damned, if you don't, you really are. And so, and so I do believe there needs to be some type of security in place for all of these women, but now we're getting into a whole nother level. And I don't necessarily agree that just because they're famous, they have to just take it. I don't agree with that. I mean, you kind of do, because what are we supposed to do? Like, what are you supposed to just because they're famous, they have to just take it. I don't agree with that. I mean, you kind of do.

Because what are we supposed to do? Like, what are you supposed to do when you're in? Like, what is Oprah supposed to do? What is LeBron supposed to do? What is Jay-Z supposed to do? You're saying that's what they signed up for. It's not right. It's not right.

But there's really no defense against it. Like, what do you do? If somebody gets on a platform and says something crazy about you, you can sue them if you want. But what do you do? I don't mind you talking bad about me. I don't mind you heckling me either, right? But the reality is that this has been an issue for a very long time

and they've never addressed it. The baby just left here, right? He said what? The baby shot somebody because they came on his property. The guy wanted to perform for the baby. That's the price of being the baby. My therapist told me that a long time ago. My therapist said, you can't have your success without having your problems.

It just comes with it. Why? I hate that it's like this, but it is. Charlamagne got beat up, punched in the back of the head. Everybody laughed. Charlamagne got beat up again inside of a bodega. That's not true. I beat the shit out that young man.

That older man. I don't know if he was young or old. I don't know. He was an older guy. First time I met Charlamagne, they tried to jump you outside the station. He was getting beat up. Inside of a bodega. That's not true. I beat the shit out that young man. That older man. I don't know if he was young or old. I don't know. First time I met Charlemagne, somebody, they tried to jump you outside the station. He was getting beat up, but remember,

that's what you're talking about? But nobody felt bad for him. Everybody thought it was funny. They should. I should have been beat up. You got beat up three times? They should, because you got beat up.

First of all, the guys at the drugstore, I beat the shit out of them. The other one, they punched me in the back of the head and that's when I ran into the station. But that was a different kind of situation. But nobody ever felt bad for him. He was doing his job at work.

I was the bad guy. He was the bad guy. That's apples and oranges. These ladies are playing basketball. That makes me think of something. Was it a mistake? Is it a mistake for Angel Reese to call herself the villain? Well, she walked it back. She said, look, I've been trying to

own the narrative and take this, but I refuse to take it. She was like, I'm not built for this. Everybody's not built for that. And by the way, what black woman isn't a villain when she's comfortable in her own skin and speaking up against what's not right? Everybody makes black women a villain when they're comfortable. You know

this. I'm not making this up. We're looking at Kamala. She's smart. She's intelligent. And all of a sudden she's the bad how is she a bad guy in the race how's she the bad person in the race she's not to me and you got mr grabbing by the pussy how is she right and trump is like a toted and that's what i'm saying by i know that there's no defense to it but sometimes it's okay to if you decide to do whatever you think is the defense react to it because you literally cannot win because when you're a woman you're the bad guy you're right we don't get the like toted you're the out here you're doing well you're

speaking up for yourself we don't get that it's different for us and i don't know why it's like that and i don't know if it's ever going to change but i get what y'all i think we're having two different conversations i'm just talking about when you are a successful person this comes with it all of the bullshit comes all the talking shit of the talking shit, the harassment, all of this. I agree. And after a while, in the beginning it hurts, right? And after a while you don't care no more. You're just like, okay, what? I only date white men? Okay, I got it.

Okay, what? I'm an angry black woman? Okay, I got it. You just don't care. Who only dates white men? I'm just saying about the narrative. Call Dr. Umar right fucking now. Get him on line one. I've been wanting to have this intervention. Are you stupid? My point is that there will be a narrative I'm talking to him all right fucking now. Get him on line one. I've been wanting to have this intervention. Are you stupid? This intervention. My point is that there will be a narrative

that follows you no matter what and you take it. You only date black men? No, I don't. Oh. You started that. Why would you say that? That's the first thing you said. I date black men.

Okay. I date black men. I believe you. Thank you. You see how he do me? Yep. We talking about how Carrie heard a WNBA player at the game?

I did do that. Show me the pictures. What was that young lady's name? I'm not going to say because I did not hear it. I'm not going to say. So I'm sitting, let me tell you, I'm sitting courtside, minding my own business. Charlamagne like, you over there looking 6'8". How tall are you?

What are you doing? It just so happens one of the ladies tumbled from the Las Vegas Aces in front of where I was sitting, and I was just looking, and it was sad. She hit her head on Carrie's boot. Look, Carrie had that boot caught side. Carrie over there sitting like a big old nigga, legs open, you know what I'm saying? Hands between her legs.

I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, who Carrie want to fight? Whatever it takes for the liberty to win. Whatever it takes for the liberty to win. I'm like, who is Carrie wanting to fight? What's going on? Why was you sitting like this? Embi, why do you have to deal with this?

Why, why, why karen had some cognac that's the first thing he came in to say he was like look at karen she had she had a she was sitting like a she was like big ass boots and she was like you got your legs up and you're sitting like a man who you think you is and i was like oh wait after what was i playing no no when i saw the picture i was like did carrie used to play sports i didn't say that i thought i was like does she play basketball or something because i was like i am i looking like a man okay tell me i was first of all it was in the zone though i was in the zone i was watching the game that's how people watch the game and you appear like i look like a man i was like i was in that room yeah i don't know why you consider him a friend like he's talking bad about me all the time he That's how people watch the game. And you're up here like, I look like a man. I was like, isn't that rude? I don't know why you consider him a friend.

He was talking bad about me. All the time. He was like, I was in a group chat and they said you was fine. I said, I heard she was a man. I was just like, why do you do that? I didn't say a man. I know. Who'd you say? You bet not.

You bet not. You bet not on this day. I will come over there and carry you out of here. I said, I heard her name used to be Carl. That's all I'm going to say. Leave it alone. You better stop. I have a question for you it alone. You better stop.

I have a question for you, Carrie. You better stop. You better stop. Nasty, nasty. But all jokes aside, Carrie is an example of what she's talking about. Because it's like Carrie walks in the room. She just has a presence. Correct. Right?

It's not because she's just tall or whatever. It's just because she really has a presence. I can see how that can intimidate some people. And you know what I said to them. And make people uncomfortable. No, I agree. I said I feel it when I feel it. And it's not a cocky thing. I just feel it when I walkate some people. And you know what I said to him. And make people uncomfortable. No, I agree. I said, I feel it when I, I feel it. It's not a cocky thing.

I just feel it when I walk in a room, people stop, they pay attention, they look, and it makes people uncomfortable. I understand that, but it's just who I am. It's my level of comfort wherever I'm at. I'm at home in my body wherever I'm at. And so I get why you said that. That's why he said, are you six foot eight? And I'm like, no, I'm just five tenths. But it's not a size thing, though.

Like when Stephanie Mills walks in the room, you just feel it. Big presence. That's what I'm saying. You feel it. And you either are comfortable with it or you're not comfortable with it. You can relate. No, she can't. When did you get comfortable with it, Carrie?

At what age did you get comfortable with it? Because Stephanie said she didn't get it until she was 55. Oh, wow. Yeah. I probably say within probably when I was like 35. But first of all, look, this is sounding crazy. And you and everybody in this room can relate to this, I hope, in some way. You ever felt like you were just special and set apart?

Absolutely. From seven years old. Absolutely. Seven years old, I was like, oh, I'm different. And I didn't know what that meant or felt like. And I've walked in that ever since until you realize, oh, this is what that means. And people resent you for it. People love you for it.

People hate you for it. And that's what we're dealing with, Kaitlyn and Angel. They're just different. And, of course, there are players in the league. I'm not saying anybody hates them. But you can't decide who will be the supernova. You can't decide who's going to be the person that carries us into a different stratosphere. It just happens.

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And these two ladies are learning to deal with that. They know they're assigned. They know they're special. They know they're special. They know they set a part. And they also know that people resent them because there are the folks that were before them that actually laid the foundation, the Dawn Staley's, the Cheryl Swoops, the Candice Parkers, the Lisa Leslie's. You can go down the list of women who really put this league in its place and put it literally on the map. But you can't assign who's going to be the supernova to take us to that next level.

And it just so happens that it's a woman by the name of Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. And that story is so damn compelling. Black versus white. I mean, I think that story sells regardless. I mean, even in boxing, when you look at boxing, when it's race, I think it sells regardless. Regardless.

People want to rep their race. Taylor Swift and Beyonce. That's our next episode. Our next episode is about the rivalry or the perceived rivalry goes beyond sport. Find me any black and white version and people are going to compare because that's what people do

and they have to tell you one is better than the other. But both of those ladies were assigned. They're special and set apart in their own world. Powerful. But people still want to put them in verses and want to say one is better than the other. You're a lifelong Lakers fan. So you've seen the lakers celtics rivalry what makes this uh caitlin angel thing similar to magic and bird outside of the race thing like just what is it well they don't play the same position so i i do want to say that because i hear a lot of

players saying they don't play the same position so why is there a rivalry it's a rivalry because magic and bird didn't play the same position right so why is there a rivalry? It's a rivalry because it started... Magic and Bird didn't play the same position. Right, but it's a rivalry because... But they were more equivalent. Kaylin right now is all offense. She is spectacular. And she's always going to be more dynamic in the sense that offense gets people in the stands and makes people pay attention.

She is shooting from the logo, and it's crazy. It's insane what she can do when she really gets in her zone. And what Angel is doing, I think, is different. While she's good on defense, and she'll get her offensive game together eventually, what she is doing, she's doing something that we haven't seen, in my opinion, a WNBA player do or a black female athlete do in a very long time.

She's getting a lotto to come to the games. Meg Thee Stallion is talking about what she wants to do. She's at the Met Gala. She's living in the world. They're rapping about her akin to Drake rapping about LeBron. She has, she's done something that hasn't been done before. And I don't even know if she's aware of it.

Even Serena. I love Serena. People talked about that wasn't happening with Lisa Leslie. Not in that way. Not in that way. Like these are her people. She's kicking it with Megan. She's kicking it with SZA. Lotto just did in that way. These are her people. She's kicking it with Megan. She's kicking it with Lisa.

Lado just did her podcast. They are her people. They are her friends. She has all the influencers around her, and they want to be around her. We've seen that happen. Athletes want to be ballers, and ballers want to be athletes. We've only seen that with men. We haven't seen that with women, especially not a black woman.

Serena, I'll give her because she was popular, and she had a lot of people, but it was tennis. And she did bring all the stars. So look, you know, apples and oranges. She did bring a lot of stars to the game. But I truly, honestly believe for a WNBA player, a black woman to have this effect in the culture. She is the culture. She's representing the culture.

She the it girl. She the hot girl. You can't teach that either. You can't teach that. You either got that or you don't. She got it. She's on assignment. It's in her, not on her. She's on assignment. I had to ask She the it girl. She the hot girl. You can't teach that either. You can't teach that. You either got that or you don't. She got it. She's on assignment. It's in her, not on her.

She's on assignment. I had to ask them when it happened. Would love to hear what you had to say about it. Like when she had to sit out for the rest of the season. Does that affect? Because, I mean, she has all that, but like she's not playing the game for the rest of the season. So does that affect what she was doing or like what will happen moving forward?

No, she may have a truncated season anyway. I think that if she would have continued to play, maybe the Chicago Sky would have made it to the playoffs. But she made a smart decision in my opinion, which is to take care of herself now so she can come back stronger than ever. It doesn't affect her. It did affect the rookie race in some capacity. I thought Kaitlyn Clark was going to be rookie of the year anyway.

I just thought she was. Even though that race had a great first half. Yeah. And Kaitlyn's had a great first half. Yeah. And Kaitlyn's first half was kind of... But it balanced out because one, not only did she take her team to the playoffs that hadn't been in like 10 years. Kaitlyn, she requires something more. You can't really

defend a shot. Like when they were like triple teaming her and double teaming her, she figured it out. She just figured it out. And that to me, for a rookie, is really special. because how many times have we heard about rookies in the nba they're gonna be it they're gonna be how many rookies have been it that's right when you start looking at these rookies and you're like who's who's really it lebron right after lebron who was a rookie that was it name one after lebron who up to all the hype? After LeBron. Oh, after LeBron? Who lived up to all the hype? Nobody. Find me the number one pick.

Number one pick. Who lived up to all the hype after LeBron? Nobody. Don't look at me. I wouldn't know. It takes them a couple of years to figure it out. It's a different league, but if we're just doing athletes on athletes, I'm just saying let's talk about it. It's a different league, obviously different requirements, but look.

Maybe Victor. Anthony Edwards, but it took a minute. Everybody thought Zion was going to be it. What about Victor Wimby? Yeah, they thought Zion wasn't. Victor? Sort of, kind of. Still special.

Average, yeah. Still special, but he wasn't giving everybody the business. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I was mad when people were like, they're jealous of her, and we heard all these that the men the men explaining that the women

were jealous of caitlin i was like but what about when everybody was going to lebron's head when you are that when you are the most sought after the most talked about i have to okay well welcome to the league let me show you what this is candace parker her i we always give this always give this example candace parker's rookie year she got a two-piece. They had her on the ground. They were beating her, like literally trying to beat her up. And it was benches. Everybody got off the benches. Lisa Leslie got pushed down.

No one ever talked about it. And then you're talking about Kaitlyn Clark, and you're like, oh, they poked her in the eye. They stabbed her in the eye. Oh, they're just so mean to her. What game have you been watching? These ladies ball. They ball.

They ball. And you even said that. When you were watching, you were like, this game is good. Yeah, I mean, I watch it on television, but going to the Liberty and Aces game, it was like, wow. It's a whole new thing. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Like, in a lot of ways, more than the men's game.

A lot of ways more than the men's game. Because they're so fundamentally sound. They know the basics. And everyone's like, oh, they don't dunk. And then, so when Caitlyn started to shoot like Steph, you didn't have that excuse anymore to say you weren't watching the game. And that's the new dunk. The logo three is the new dunk anyway.

So I used to say this and still believe the reason why Steph Curry is the most impactful player the NBA has ever seen is because he made everybody believe. He made the average kid in the backyard shoot from the logo believe that they could do it. I don't have to be 6'8". I don't have to be built like LeBron. I don't have to dunk.

If I can shoot from here, I can be like Steph. That is why people love Kaitlyn Clark's game. Because they believe, oh, I can do that. Little girls are at home watching. I'm sitting next to this little girl right now. This little girl at the game the other night was like, oh, wow. And you know why she's watching? Because when she saw Kaitlyn Clark out there, she could relate.

She was like, because I don't know if I'm ever going to be Asia Wilson's height. And by the way, everyone's tall. I mean, Steph is tall. Kaitlyn Clark out there, she could relate. She was like, because I don't know if I'm ever going to be Asia Wilson's height. And by the way, everyone's tall. I mean, Steph is tall. Kaitlyn's tall. But they don't feel unattainable. It feels like it's not aspirational. It's like, I can do that. It's not 6'8".

It's not 6'9". Correct. I don't like how you looked at me just now. You said everybody's tall. You started to say except you. But I saw you. How tall are you? 5'4".

5'8". You sure? Thick is cool. Show me it's 5'4". What? I'm showing what? Thick. I said that to you the other day.

Like stocking. Your hips. I told you. You starting to get hips. I told you that. He would be like a point guard, right? You got hips for real. I said that to you.

Look at your hips. I ain't got no hips. And a big booty. You be working out, though. Okay, Uncle Thickums? Oh, Thickums. You out here looking good. Hey!

Okay. Why you put your hands up like that when you do it, though? Why you putums? Oh, Thickums. You out here looking good. Hey! Okay. Why you throw your hands up like that when you do it, though? Why you throw your hands up like that? Because he's been hands on the knees. Hands in the air is crazy. You're not even on the knees. That's crazy. He's crazy.

So listen, if Caitlyn and Angel are magic and bird, who's going to be Jordan? Ooh, if I had to say who Jordan is right now, and she's so humble with it. Juju? Well, we don't know yet. She could be, but right now and she's so humble with it. Juju? Well, we don't know yet. She could be, but right now, if I talk about Asia Wilson, if I have to talk about who, meaning like Asia is a guaranteed bucket. I know

they may not win this series as we know and we're watching their down to nothing, but Asia to me is, she does it all. She does it all. She's in the paint. She's defense. She's offense. She's literally, she's a leader on that court. She requires it all. She's in the paint. She's defense. She's offense. She's literally, she's a leader on that court.

She requires more. I'm watching her. I'm like, if you were a man, we'd be talking about this more. Greatest WNBA player that's playing today. You know I love Aja Wilson. I think she's more like Tim Duncan, though. Why? Just because she's great on both ends of the court, right? And even though her personality

is really big, right? I'm not talking about her. I'm just talking about the way they play. For whatever reason, you don't appreciate that type of game. She's so fundamentally sound, dominates on both sides of the court. You know she's going to show up every game, but it just feels more Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time, by the way. Yeah, he is.

But I feel like there's something more special about her. But to the point where Jordan – But why we don't think Duncan is special? Because he beat the Lakers. That's why. No, and because Duncan is phenomenal. He is. He's phenomenal.

Duncan was special. For two things, right? And we've got to keep it a buck. He played for the Spurs. Very humble team. Very quiet team. He's a quiet, humble man. You need to have your tongue hanging out your mouth.

You need to talk a little shit. Yeah. That's why we love Jordan. Jordan gave us flash. He gave us a show. I need to be entertained if I'm going to watch's why we love Jordan. Jordan gave us flash. He gave us a show. I need to be entertained if I'm going to watch basketball. I'm not saying that doesn't mean

Tim Duncan isn't that great, but that's why people forget. That's why they forget about Kareem. They forget about the greatest man ever who created the sky. They forget about Kareem in a lot of ways. Absolutely.

And you remember Magic because he was Showtime. The Lakers created Showtime. That's why you remember Magic over, and Magic's one of your favorite players. Why do we love Kobe? Because Kobe was like, we knew he was a dog and he didn't care about nobody. That's why you remember Magic over, and Magic's one of your favorite players. Why do we love Kobe? Because Kobe was like, we knew he was a dog

and he didn't care about nobody. That's right. You love that. We need both. And that, which is unfortunate because it goes back to my point. Angel has that trash talk in her. She got that dog in her.

But we don't allow women to play sports like men play sports. We don't allow women, we don't consume women the way we consume men when it comes to sports. Asia and Donna are the reason I started watching women's basketball Asia is to me the greatest to me and that says a lot

and she's so humble with it though that's why we're not panning. She's so humble with it and I'm just like she's the greatest. I don't know what Juju will be I don't want to put that on her. I think Juju Watkins is going to ball. I think she's going to be something super special. I don't know what Juju will be. I don't want to put that on her. I think Juju Watkins is going to ball. I think she's going to be something super special. I think this class, Paige Beckers, who's at UConn, I think she's going to be special.

What Paige is going to do, because she has a black stepmother, what she is going to do is be able to kill this narrative of black versus white. Because when she got up at the ESPYs and said, I just want to give a special shout out to black women, to me, I understood that she knew her assignment. She sees that sometimes these black women in this sport have been ignored. Look, 75% are LBGTQIA. You can't market that to middle America. So that's why it was so hard for the WNBA to take off. So then you have this white Catholic woman who comes in from Iowa, and it felt more comfortable to watch for the masses. It's still 75% now? Look, 70. I go back and forth. Regardless of what the number is, the majority is,

and it's hard to market that to a country that doesn't want to deal with that. It's hard to market that. And not to me, but for them it was hard. And this is where two things where the wmba needs to embrace it they need to embrace who these women are what their sexuality is how they live their lives they also need to get them some security and they can't make one person be the main person because that causes resentment and strife and so they need to really this league is growing overnight. And the WNBA needs to figure it out quickly. It's growing so fast. I mean, think about last year, not the WNBA,

but the women's college basketball NCAA finals. 19. Between Iowa and South Carolina. 19 some odd million people watched. More than the men. They didn't expect that. Unheard of. They didn't expect that.

Unheard of. And at the time when Angel Reese beat Iowa and LSU beat Iowa, it was 9.9 million people. At the time, that was the largest they had ever seen. And not for nothing. You know, Caitlin Clark, they had this exhibition game her senior year, going into her senior year. They played basketball in a football stadium. 55,000 people showed up to watch

women play basketball. 55,000 people showed up to watch women play sports. That's crazy. It's, it's, I mean,

we're in a different, we're in a different world right now. By the time your children are ready to go pro and play, and play, and your girls are ready

to play, they gonna make money. Yeah. They gonna make money. And you got phenomenal, like you said, you got Paige coming, you got Juju coming,

you got all these crooks at Iowa State. You got Malaysia Fawali at South Carolina. She's special. Ball. Beast. Beast. There are so many great players, and they've been there. The product has always been there.

We just now started paying attention. So it's something special. And everybody watches women's sports. That's not just cliche. Shout out to my girl, Justine Brown, who came up with that. So where do you see the WNBA five years from now? I see more money. I see it competing in a real way with the NBA.

I say that only because of those two women in that storyline. The storyline will be a trope for another couple of years because it's interesting and people are compelled to pay attention to it and you love to pick a side. i also know that on football sunday when caitlin clark was playing in the playoffs on a football sunday her game against the connecticut sun literally averaged 1.2 million viewers on a football sunday you mean to tell me people

weren't watching football they went to turn to watch women's basketball? Not men's basketball? A playoff game? The first round? It's a wrap. This is the future. I agree. So be prepared.

And anybody listening, make sure your daughter can play sports because she's going to take care of y'all. It'll be the daughter who's buying a house. We'll hear those stories. We'll hear the story, I bought my mama a house. I bought my mama a car. I put everybody through school. I went back to my favorite high school, and I gave everybody scholarships. The stories that we hear and see will be, for the men, will be the stories that we hear and see for the women.

These rappers will be talking about these women. These women will have big, major, major deals when it comes to marketing. They won't be sitting in the back, and it won't be just because they are cute. It will be because I'm old enough to remember five years ago when they talked about women, it was always, who's the hottest? When they talked about women in sports, it was, who's the hottest? It was never who was the best on the court or who was the best playing tennis. It was like, who look good?

Serena made all that attention, although she was great, but the cat suit. We all remember that cat suit, that black cat suit? We only sexualized. What? I used to have that picture hanging up in there. Remember when she was, because she was hitting, I had an action shot where she had the tennis racket and she was about to hit the ball.

I used to have it hanging up in the old studio. You had it hanging up because she was about to hit the ball? No, I had it hanging up in the old studio. Well, why? Because Serena was amazing. Okay. I had a top five list. Of?

Remember? Leave it alone. But it was Serena, Patti LaBelle, Kelly Rowland. Oh, okay. See, my point. Jennifer Lopez and Stacey Dash. See, my point. The hottest.

The hottest. That's all they used to be. They were sexualized. They weren't sexualized. I just thought they were fun. No, not you. Listen. Listen.

Listen. They weren't sexualized. They were sexy. He wasn't like, dang, I love that. I love, ooh, I love the way she hit the ball serena serve is crazy it was the first the immediate thought is that she bad she's bad bad and that's fine because that's how men see women i understand that but soon it'll be like what's her game like i promise you this conversation about what they look like will always still be there because men are men but the reality is the skill set will be

the first thing. When you think about Caitlyn Clark, you're not looking at her like, are you bad? You're not thinking that at all. Do you think Caitlyn Clark's bad? It's also an age thing, too.

First of all, when have you ever known me to be attracted to a white woman? Yeah, I was supposed to say. Absolutely not. Now you don't like white women. Now, oh. I don't either.

You can't even, ain't nobody even gonna believe that one, Lauren. I ain't never told you? Lauren, you can say that all day't either. You can't even, ain't nobody even gonna believe that one, Lauren. I ain't never told you? Lauren, you can say that all day. We'll talk after the show. Ain't nobody even gonna believe that one. Don't wanna put my butt on blast.

Okay. No. That's why I did this on purpose. She loves, you know who she loves? Travis Kelsey. Oh, okay. She had Travis Kelsey as her screensaver. I used to.

And Kayla Plant. And Kayla Plant, exactly. No, no, you tried to throw that one on me and it backfired dangerously. She love a white man with a beard. A white man with a, exactly. No, no, you try to throw that one on me and it backfires dangerously. I love a white man with a beard. A white man with a beard? Yeah, but no. Travis, everybody gets the Travis thing.

Not anymore, but everybody gets the Travis thing because he has swag swag. It wasn't that he was attractive. He just has swag. I'm confused now what he had because it went away so fast. A white man with a beard and some Tims, she love him.

She want a lumberjack so bad. Just a little edge. Just a little edge. You like white men too? No, I don't. Yes, she does. She want a lumberjack so bad. Just a little edge. You like white men too? No, I don't. She does. She does. I don't.

I mean, I don't. Yeah, I don't. No offense, white men. She's single. Oh. What advice would you give her? I was single the last time you was here. But you got some booze now, right?

So what are the DMs like now? Are they worthy? Because I want to give you some advice. I feel like even if they, it's a little hard to navigate sometimes because like, to give you some advice I feel like even if they it's a little hard to navigate sometimes cuz like where did you come from and why yeah sometimes there's a there's a yeah yeah yeah yeah I could tell that in the conversation because it'll go from you know like that they they'll bring the jokes from the show into the DM and all that and then it'll

go to oh cuz I jokes the single it'll be like, oh, you single, tell them leave you alone. No, the ones that's real serious don't bring that up cause they already know. One second, you don't shave under your arms? I did. One, one armpit, one armpit. He started the, no.

One armpit, she came in here one day and had hair under one armpit. It was crazy, Carrie. Sorry. Carrie, it was insane. Yeah, my bad. That's what I was like, yo. Things are moving and grooving.

I'm not, you know, I'm not worried about anything, but you know, it's something that I get. Yeah, first of all, my bad. That's when I was like, yo. Things are moving and grooving. I'm not worried about anything. But you know, it's something that fit. You should have seen it. Yeah. First of all, my advice would be have a little fun, right? Try to go with that, you know, that's been on my list. That's been on my hit list. She's been having fun for a long time, Carrie.

First of all, Envy. Sorry, go ahead. No, I have not. Have a little fun, but you know, don't go too crazy. Not too crazy. Because they'll put your business in the street in a minute. That's the thing to tell her now. They will put your business in the street. They're worse than the women.

Yeah, they are. They'll put your business in. And they'll lie. Man, y'all lie. Y'all stay lying on y'all stuff. I can't wait to say they hit Lauren LaRosa. I hit Lauren LaRosa. They be lying.

She had a little hair under one armpit, but it was cool. You know what I'm saying? It was cool. Sorry. We appreciate you for joining us. Thank you for having us. Make sure you subscribe to the Making of a Robbery podcast. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the Black Effect iHeartRadio podcast network.

It will be a documentary soon. Soon. A visual documentary. It's an audio documentary now, but. We put it out there. And, Carrie, you stay in New York. You come up here once a year? I try to come all the time.

Eddie doesn't want me on. We had all these sports talk and all these things to talk about. Listen. I've been trying to get this one. I've been like, okay, let me call Eddie again. Damn it. So, I'm going to get into Carrie. Why are you trying to? She can come up anytime she trying to get this one. I've been like, okay, let me call Eddie again. Damn it. So I'm going to call you in the car. Why are you trying to?

She can come up anytime she wants to. I'm right on the back. You can't be busy. You can't be on CNN and all kinds of stuff. You can't be booked and busy, but I'll be back. I love talking to y'all. It's very comfortable. Shout out to everybody who's listening.

Please go pay attention to this. Seriously, this docuseries is special. It is. I'm so proud of it. Like, I've done a lot of stuff. This one I'm proud of. I'm really, really proud of it because we talk about everything

and it's just beautiful, y'all. Beautiful. So thank you for supporting me. You'll have your coffee next time, too. Yeah, I know. Shout out to Brandon who didn't get it.

He loves white women. That's a black man that loves white women. It's Carrie Champion. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning.

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