The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Carl Payne Talks ‘Jersey Love Comedy Show,’ Cosby Show, Malcolm-Jamal Warner + More

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

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Hold up. Every day I wake up. The Breakfast Club. You're all finished or y'all's done? Yep, it's the Wild Most Day this morning show The Breakfast Club. Shalameen the God, DJ Envy, Jess hilarious.

Lauren LaRosa is here. InVies around here somewhere. I don't know what the hell he at right now, but we got a special guest in the building. We did. Call Anthony Payne. In the second, this merch is very fresh, by the way. You like this, right?

Very fresh. Very fresh. Very fresh. You got the Martin, Gina, Pam, Tommy Cole. I want the big Shirley one you guys. Dope. How are you first of all? I'm good, my brother.

How are you? You look good, man. You ain't aging at all. No, he's not. I do what I do. I can do it. You played some very memorable sitcom characters. When did you realize people weren't just watching,

but they were connecting with your world? When did I realize that? There's a difference between connecting with the work and then, like, fame. Does that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah, right? Like, I think I was at a new edition concert, right? I never forget this. It was like during the Hyde Cosby, right?

I was at a new edition concert. And I walked in in the dark, and I think the lights had came up, right? It was like the opener, and then they were about to perform. And I was going to my seat. Were you here with this? Right, right. It's like the 80s, early 80s, early 80s, early 80s. And I was walking to my seat.

I was getting ready to go to my seat. And the lights came up. And I'd never forget it was like, I think Webster was there. Emmanuel Lewis, right? He was there. And I think, you know, they saw him and the crowd was talking crazy. They said, wow. And then Eddie Murphy was there.

And, you know, you know. And then all these girls and all these people started coming down. And it was pointing in my direction. And I was like, who, who, who? And I'm turning around like, who they see? And it was like chaos. But it was me. And then they had to escort me backstage.

Right? And I was like, that's the, the, the, the, just that moment alone of just, because I was like, oh, who they, you know, who else is here? I was like, no, nigga you. And I was like, oh, damn. What is they saying? Cockroachers. Yeah, yeah.

There was, there was, I don't, I don't, I couldn't understand what they were saying. Right. Bottom line is that moment was crazy. I never forget my best friend at the time, he looked at me backstage and he was like, because it was like, I'm going to get all the back door. You know what I'm saying? I was scared to death.

I was shook, but he was looking like, oh, this is going to be great. I say it all the time. 80s and 90s fame, nobody will ever achieve that level of fame ever again. The world is just too different. 80s was the best time ever. Like, if you was alive during the 80s and you're still alive now, then you know what I'm talking about. Like the 80s, the 80s was just different.

It was like a, it was like a, it was like a revolution, right? It was like just everything was about fun. Everything was happy. Movies was happy. Clubs, everything was, it was a movement. I love the 80s. I love the 80s. That's why I don't understand about like when it comes to black culture, right?

Like we always talk about what we're missing. We had it. The 80s, the 90s, especially, I'm talking about just TV and film. The 80s, the 90s, it was positive. It was black people depicting. in a right light. Like, I don't know what happened. Yeah, well.

Come on, give me some experience. A lot of things happen, man. I think, I think, well, first of all, you know, everything changes. Everything changes. Landscape change. Internet. That was huge.

Social media, huge. And then it became, like, it killed the celebrity, in my opinion. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, because then now anybody. can be whatever. Right. And then there's no, there's no mystery. There's no, there's nothing.

Right? So it's like, a lot of these things change. And that helped, to me, shape the landscape. And back then, you didn't, you only knew a celebrity for their work. You didn't know their life. You didn't know who they were sleeping with.

You didn't know if they did drugs or not. You know, you could probably take a guess because of how some of them acted. But I'm just saying, like, we weren't in their lives. You couldn't send them a DM and they see it and you see that they read it. You know, y'all weren't accessible at all.

Well, it used to be a club. It used to be a very special club that you had to be have talent to be a part of. You had to really have something, right? One of three things, if not all three things. And it was an elite club. And that was that. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like before social media, to become a household name, you know the kind of work you had to put in? Do you know the kind of just, and you're right. It was always about the talent. It was always about the, work and um yeah but it was appointment viewing too i mean you know i was a jehovah

witness so on thursday night we was at the king of hall but we was recording cosby show to come home and watch so you think about all of america gathering around a television when it's only like three four channels at the time to watch one you show like i was looking at some numbers the other day and i think one episode of cosby show had 65 million viewers yeah yeah it was it was it was incredible it was incredible and i was just blessed to be a part of it. You know what I'm saying? Like it was super impactful and I think the one thing,

not even the one thing, the thing, they let you know how programming works and just the powerful impact of it. I mean, I think, I don't even know the numbers offhand, but the amount of young black individuals that decided to go to HBCU, right? And decided to take their lives into a different trajectory, become lawyers,

become doctors to really put forth an energy and effort into not just like, okay, they wanted to be something different because we didn't have those images. We didn't have that. Even though they existed, they 100% existed, we just didn't have that.

And it broke all kind of color lines and barriers. Something happened. I don't care what y'all said. There was a switch hit where they was like, there's too many black people who's the same bad effect. What's the thing they call it when it's like you,

what do they call it where it's like, now they act like it never existed, right? You know what I'm talking about? like the different um mandela fec he said sinbad we know what i'm trying to say mandela fake no no no no but because sim bad was one of them like that was one of the things like it was like the movie sim bad versus anyway it was part of it what about on like the network like power making decision side of it like what do you think something happened man because okay like i've heard you talk about like even with like martin like when y'all were going through things on your

set that execs new things were happening, but they didn't really like step in and like make sure their stars were good because they just wanted to get through the episodes. Like, so how did that lack of like, you know, I guess empathy for your art understanding the impact from the network side, how did that get us to where we don't have, you know, a lot of these like big black shows on television? I don't know. I'm with Charlamagne. Something happened.

Something happened. Some happened. I really don't know. I think, but I think everything happens in cycles, right? It's like, I feel like we probably see a resurgence of that just in a different way right now. Because you got to look at it right now. There's all these verticals, the microverse, microdramas and things like that. So I think you're going to see it again just in a different way.

Will it hit like y'all? Yeah, that's the good thing. It won't. It won't. It won't because it's oversaturated. Yeah. It's oversaturated now. The cream will always rise to the top, so to speak, if that makes sense.

But no, it won't be the same. Because it's a different environment right now. You know what I'm saying? Which is why, in my opinion, right? Which is why someone like Chappelle will make such a huge difference in impact, right? Because he's literally touching on and putting his finger on the pulse of what is happening right now. And to me, that was part of the secret sauce or the success at the time of Martin was the fact that we literally had our finger on the pulse, right? It was like, it was you hanging out with her and hanging out with her.

And then we put it on TV. Wow. And it was like, you get to speak how we want to speak. We get to play how we want to play, and we bring in the culture to the culture. And we're pushing the needle of the culture. So, you know, in my opinion, that's why certain people will be more impactful right now. But the climate of the country, the climate of everything right now is, it's not that. It's not the age.

You see what I'm saying? It's not, it's not in the music. It's literally not in every aspect of culture or life. Yeah, I feel like there's a sense of community missing, right? Even when you talk about... Absolutely. You know how you talk about how all of y'all used to hang out, then it's on television, but we used to all hang out and watch y'all on TV.

Right. This is a community. But it felt personal, right? It felt like, like, what's, and that's the same thing with comedy, right? Like, what's personal is actually universal. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that's one of the things like I had to learn when doing my comedy was like, when I first

started, I was just a student at the game. I didn't know nothing. I had to pay my dues, the whole nine. And I thought it was just about jokes. But then I like, I like, I like, took another look at and I was like, no, no, I got to treat this like its own art form and I have to approach it like I did with my acting. I literally have to go to school again. I literally have to like pay my dues and be in it, immerse myself in it. And I learned early on that you know how

when you learn. You learn in the classroom, which is on stage, which is not a fun place to learn. But I learned early on that people really do want to know, like, you have to be vulnerable. Yeah. You really have to, you know, and I was always scared of that. I was scared of that because I was like, yeah, they know, they don't know. They know, but they don't know. You were scared to be vulnerable? 100%.

Okay. Yeah, because, listen, listen, the thing about acting, you get to be vulnerable, but you're playing a character. Got you. So you can literally pour your heart and soul into someone else. And you got people to lean on, right? Like a great basketball team. I thought to rock the jest, now it's her turn. But when you're on stage, you naked.

It's you by yourself. And you're going to share something that you really hope that they connect with. On one level or not. It's like, you know, you're like, hey, I'm naked. You like this? You like that? You know what I mean? How long you've been doing comedy?

I started a long time ago. but I really picked it back up in of 2017. I remember you were in one of the clubs. You came to one of my dates. I was down south and he came to the show. He saw me do comedy and he was saying that. He was doing it and I was like, oh, my God, cold doing comedy. You know what I mean?

But I just thought it was dope. What made you get into it though? Because it was the scariest thing, man. Like you said, like it was for me, it was a couple of things. It's like reinventing. It's like the next level of whatever, right? So let's go back. Coming up in the game, you always saw

whatever show. You heard that? You could have played it off, though. Yeah, no, no, it was too loud. It was way too loud. It was way too loud. It was way too loud. Way too loud to play it off.

It was like, all right. Put it this way. If you see me do this, then that's something different. That's something different. Trigney it, definitely. Well, you know, once you get to be a certain age, you can't pass gas. You can't pass gas and just sit straight up.

Yeah, not. Just be talking and just like, damn. Get yourself a goddamn aneurysm trying to fart standing straight up. You got to lean with it. Rock with it. It was a couple of things. So, like I said, growing up, you always saw that there was always a comedian who was the anchor of a show. And then they would always support us around him with a great cast of actors.

And so early on, I said, dang, that's the formula. That's it. And I had to ask execs, and I would ask different people like, why, why is this the formula? And they were like, oh, because the name, when they gave me that, I was like, okay, one day I'm going to do that. One day I'm going to do that because that's the formula. But it's the scariest thing ever. And I was, like you said, I was scared to be vulnerable. I was scared.

I was like, man, but then I got into a place where I got to tackle my fears. I got to face that. I got to do everything I said I was going to do. Everything I set out to do in this business, in this industry, I said, I'm going to do it because I also saw it as a means to a, first of a whole other revenue stream. Number two, open up a million other doors and it's like everything that got me to where I was before, I had abandoned for some reason, you know, because you can get beaten down by this industry. You can get to a place where you're like, I don't want to do it no more.

I quit. Yeah. But yeah, I said, no, this is going to be, I got to do this. And if I do it, I'm going to do it at the highest level. I'm not going to be doing it like some of the other people. out there who just kind of just think that because they got a name, they could just jump out there and do it or whatever. You never had the bug before.

I mean, being around Bill Cosby, being around Martin Lawrence, like you never had the bug to do it then? Nah. I mean, you were funny. Well, yes, yes and no. Yes and no. Because again, I was just concentrating on doing my job. You know, like my role, whatever role I had to play

and whatever job I had to do. And then they were, you know, they started calling me the whole shows. They started calling me. Actually, you know who got me in. to this who really got me started was uh was reggie brought me really oh wow yeah and i found that out recently i actually thought it was another comedian but it was actually him because i actually started hosting and doing different shows and hosting and things like that and then it was like and that's really how

you build your set you know that that's how you build your set when you put it into work and um yeah he had put me on a show or suggested me with somebody but i didn't know it was him i didn't know was him who was suggesting you know yeah I told me he was supposed to play that character what character is there brother man yeah yeah original original ballot yeah somebody told me ice cube was I ain't I mean that but you know comedy looks emphiless when it's when it's done right so how much of your performance was instinct versus like technical craft on stage yeah all of it all of it all of it like it's you got to combine it all because I mean you put it this way living in the

is a lot. It's the best feeling ever, you know, when you got your finger on the pulse or the crowd and you really, you know what I'm saying? You feel them out. Like every crowd is different. Every audience is different. You gotta know your audience,

whether you are Seattle, Utah, wherever. So it's like, but living in the moment, you know, and then being able to apply all the technical things in that moment. You know what I'm saying? Because you could riff all day. You could riff all day, but what are you talking about? You still gotta get into it.

your material. Yeah, you have to have a set. You've got to be able to talk about something like, you know, crowdwork is crowd work. Okay, great. Who are you? Where are you pulling from with your material, right? So is it from years of you in industry?

Is it you younger? Is it you? Everyday life right now. I'm a pop pop. You know what I? I'm like, you know what I mean? I went from unc to OG. You know what I mean?

Like, right. You know what I was like? I thought I was still unc now. You know what I'm? Now, all right, cool. How many grinkets you got? One, two, three, five. Oh, you agree with that for real.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And don't look nothing like you. I'm like, I just go from real life. My youngest son, I got four sons. My youngest son is 19. And man, I tell you, he is Mr. Fafo.

He is fuck around and find out guy all day long. And he provides, like, just real life every day provides me with everything I need. Everything I need from being, like, coming here, being at the Delta lounge, and in the lounge, we have the Delta lounge. We are living in a fascist society.

I'm like, and this is where you choose to do this. This is where you choose. Maybe it's not a time, maybe there's not a place, but this is where you choose to do this. I'm like, I'm sitting there eating my little minestronee soup, and I'm like, I can't make this shit up. I can't make this my life. Every time I can't make this up.

Did he tell you he was going to go into protest? No, that's my point. I'm literally like, and I'm looking around like, yo, is this a joke? Like, this is really happening? Okay. When he saw some on the news, he's reading the paper or looking at the phone. I think he just chose it like he was one of those guys.

And I'm like, first of all, how he get in here? But he got in here and this is his audience right now. This is what he chooses. He's saying about that y'all people know what your don't allow money. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, man, because you talked about, you know, how y'all used to take things from, you know, just being around each other and bringing the TV

And we saw the Sheena Arnold recently say that's how Her and Martin's relationship was on the show, right? Let me tell you something, yo. I stayed out of it. I was not that guy. I was not good at that. Oh, at the jokes and snap? Oh, no, no.

No, no. No, listen. Listen, let me tell you something. Growing up, but see, that's the thing that we're missing right now. We was just talking about this early. Kids don't go outside and get their feelings hurt no more. You got to get your feelings hurt enough to build up enough tough skin to have some stuff to come back with it early on.

When Katz was talking about my mom, I wanted to kill them. I didn't know how to just, but you go through that, right? You go through that and you're like, oh, no, you can't get mad. You can't. So, yeah, we used to play a lot of games. We used to play you can't get mad games all the time. But they would go way too far. Oh, what, off it?

They would go way too far. And I know, I was like, yeah, I'm not in there. Especially her and Martin, they would just go at it. And I mean, she was, I think it was a Tisha's husband at the time. Duane, he would try to jump in and to, and to she, Sheena was the best, yo. I don't know if it came from, you know, growing up, you know, when you grow up here in the city, you go up here in the city,

and then you got, you know, you got a lot of gay friends and things. They know how to cut on you. Look with it. They, ugh. And, yo, she used to be like, and Dwayne would say something stupid. And she'd be like, I'm sorry, I can't hear you because you don't have a basketball in your hand. So I don't.

I can't. She never turned it off. And she never turned it off. And then he would say something stupid and talk about what he did. And she was like, I know. Oh, yes, you were almost. to Nick. I know. Almost. You were selling out YMCA's. Is that what you were doing?

Damn. You ain't got a basketball background. But you know, yeah, but you know what I'm saying? I was like... Hurting niggas feelings. Niggas feelings, yo. And that's why I'd be like, eat my minestrone soup. Look, you'd ever be laughing? And then Martin or just shouldn't be like,

I know you ain't laughing. No. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, no. I was definitely agitated. Oh my God. Yo, for real, you're going to let us say that? Get a son Get her Get her

So how did the Cole character develop it? Like because Cole was funny as shit But he didn't start off dumb But you know what? But you know what? I'm gonna say he wasn't done That's funny

No no that's funny No because look Here's the thing Here's how it developed I felt like He and I were very close Martin and I in terms of like Characters right

Starting off and I was like Well I got to do something To kind of separate us Because you know Tommy was a very close a straight guy. You know, and you can see everybody else's thing, right? Then I was like, okay, it was always, and that was at the time when all of the, um, everybody, all the black designers was coming on, you know, cross colors, boo-boo, everybody. So I was getting a ton of gear,

ton of gear. And I was like, and it was always dressing me real, you know, I was like, okay, let's start with the clothes. Let's start. And it's like, the thing as an actor, when you do your homework, you say, okay, let's build this character. Who is this guy? Who is this guy in, in this circle of friends, but who is he, you know, what did he come from, you know, who, and how does he fit in this, in this thing? And that's how I started building on him. And then I was like, there's a certain innocence about cold. There's a certain naivety, right? Like, so whereas you thought he was dumb. I'm like, no, he's just innocent. He just, he believes everything. He lives in his own world, but it's okay because they know him there. He's the mayor. Got you. You know what you're saying?

There's nothing you can't tell me. There's nothing you can't tell me. he's not committed to. He believes everything he's saying. He might have smoked weed too. Maybe, maybe. Because you know, you know, when you see, when you got cats that, you know, you still, you know, and then they be like,

let me tell you what we're going to do. You go get these niggas soup for free. That element would have made a lot of this. Right, but I can't give you that. Yeah, yeah. Tell me, but I can put that in there. I felt like Cole was his most genius when he met Chenice.

Yeah. Because Chenice was. was dumb as they come. I was like, Lord. Yes. Which was kind of funny because it's like she took it to the next level. She was dumb squared. Yes.

Was her character always supposed to be dumb or was that like, did you tweak that because it complimented your character? A little, yes. So yes, we did tweak that to answer that, yes. Yes. But I think they wrote it like that too. They wrote it like, oh, that is his soulmate. this is the one that gets him that he has to look at like people look at him

makes sense yeah because big Shirley wasn't the soulmate no yeah well yes she was yes she was yes she was yes she was yes she was yes she was yes she was definitely the soulmate down all right am always than one of the most positive deputies of a fat person on TV ever big girl and we never saw her big girl right she was a real person yeah big heart not a she well yeah It shows parts of her. They show them. You know what though they did show it one time early on?

No. Yeah. I've never seen. Early on. And I think it was during the fight party, or somewhere around that type of episode. I don't remember that one. Yeah, yeah.

She fell asleep on the couch. She was a secure. She was like, so literally she literally grew. This is Big Shirley. Wait a minute. Turn around. With this black and white on? Boom.

No, it's not big. It's a security. Yes. Yes. She wasn't even big. That's my point. She got bigger. She was just big.

Y'all are. Oh. Oh. Oh. Got you. She just a stick right here. I always thought she was like my 600 pounds. No, no, no, she did.

She got bigger as the show went on to the point where you couldn't even see her on the screen. That's hilarious. Why do you think that human still hits all these decades later? Martin's always on and reruns. You know what, to tell you the truth? I don't know. I don't know, see. I feel like it was just representative of a time, like you said, of an era that represented fun.

It represented, you know, everything that we all stood for that, again, it was like, I know him, I know her. That's, it was relative. It was relativity. And then you see yourself in it because, like, I've seen myself as pan. I'm always, I had a lot. I had a few home girls going on, but I used to hang with the guys. And I would be riffing and cracking on them. And that's how I learned improv.

I learned doing that, you know, from watching all four, y'all was my friends, too. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, so that, the nostalgia, the nostalgia of that made me, like, a comedian. Like, that's what I wanted to do, you know? And so with that being said, when people talk about, like, older reboots and I want to see Martin remade, I always have a problem with it because I feel like a time like that can't be remade because those are not the times that we're living in right now. Right.

We would have to touch on too many other things that would kind of blur the funny, you know, and blur the realism of what's going on. And you know what's interesting about that, yes, is I think that it could have been done at one time. It could have been done. The timing of it would have had to have been specific. Yeah.

It could have been done. But you're right. Certain stuff you don't need to touch. Certain things you definitely just need to, you know, because you can't capture that same lightning in the bottle. And you're right, it would have to be done in a way that is indicative

and speaks to today. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think for the show, I think we talked about this one time, too. We talked about this early on. For the show, the show could have actually continued to live on an infamy in a cartoon form.

Because no one gets old, no one died, and it stretches across generations. Like, that would have been, and we had talked about doing it like that. So I don't. I don't even think. I mean, you couldn't do it now without times. You can't. That was the thing. That's why I said the timing of it.

Yeah. And, like, he was my best friend in real life. So, you know, the timing of all of that was crazy. Well, he was your best friend of real life, and you still didn't get into comedy? Because he was a stand-up, too. But he wasn't, though. He wasn't? No.

I've seen him all the stage before? I've never seen him. No. No, that's what I'm saying. He was, he taught me a lot. He taught me a lot. He definitely taught me a lot about the business, about, like, about everything. So I think he was one of the people who influenced me the most coming up during that time.

You know what I mean? Like, when we first started working, on the show, I think about a month or two after we started working, you know, he had like this Jeep, you know, the Jeep Wrangler joints, right? Then he, like, everybody started buying stuff because we get money now, right? Everybody started buying things. He flipped it and he got himself a land cruiser. And he milked it out, whited it everything.

Like, it was like uptown. It was like, it belonged in front of rooftop, right? And I'm looking at something like, damn. And the dude dropped it off, and I saw him give this dude a check for like $15,000. And I'm like, what's that for? He was like, no, that's just for the, you know what I said. How much you getting paid?

He was like, what you mean? I think we're getting paid. I said, we can't be getting paid the same. I can't do that. You give him this dude, you're giving just for accessories? I can't do that. He was like, yeah, no, no. I said, how much you getting paid, Tommy?

And then he was like, well, first of all, he's like, you're incorporated, right? I was like, huh? Immediately he was like, no, you're not incorporated. I was like, what was it incorporated? He put me up on being incorporated. Incorporated myself. It's like, no, you get the whole check.

Pay yourself as a company, as an entity. I was like, I didn't lost all this money for the last two months. You know what I mean? Not that I'm going to run out and do that, but my point being, so he was teaching me a lot of stuff, man, took me to the golf course with him. And he was like, this is where deals are made. This is, you're going to want to do this later in life.

Trust me, you know. Yeah, he put me on. You put me on too hot stuff. How a lot of the death impact you? It was rough. It was really rough because I think we would talk all the time. Like every other day we speak, right? And, you know, after the show, you know, we're catching jobs here.

You know, we're putting each other in different films. We're doing things with each other, right? Or if he's doing a speaking, he was very, he was a huge child advocate. He was a huge advocacy for, you know, our culture and just being, black men in general, right? being responsible, being responsable. So he had just had knee surgery. And so he was talking and he was like, yeah, man, I'm in recovery and, you know, rehabbing and this, that,

and the other, so I just spoke to him. You know what I mean? And then Tashina had called me. She was like, call you, you spoke to Tommy? Well, she said something like, you heard about Tommy? And I was like, yeah, yeah, man, you know, he said he's getting his knee, you know, his knees is messing with him.

She was like, no, call. No. I said, what you mean? She was like, you got to go to Atlanta now. He said, his girl called him last night and was like, he's in a coma. She was talking about. I just spoke to him yesterday. Stop playing with him.

So when I went down there, it was seeing him like that was kind of wild. As you know, you just speak to somebody. Do you see him in the bed with him? And in the room. had this aura and this feeling and a smell that I will never forget. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, so it was one of those caught off guard type things, and I know that it was just me, his wife, and the priest in the room.

And then, wow, I know when they pulled the blood. Wow. That's all she wanted in the room. Hmm. She was like, Carl, I need you to talk to her friend. I can't deal with them. I said, all right. So I had to, like, keep all of my stuff together

to try to be strong for those, you know. But yeah, it was deep. Did you give yourself an opportunity to grieve? Are you still grieving? That grief is not linear by any of it. Yeah, no, I think, I only go get me on here doing the Tirees. Fuck y'all.

Niggas got the tissues on death. No, we're not doing that. No. We're not. What happened, nigga? We're not doing that. I'm nod about... He started zooming in this shit now.

My shirt got tight just now. Nick, no. Not even. Oh, fuck out of here. Oh, man. Yeah. Black men do cry, not today, though. No, no, I have given myself a chance to agree for sure.

I just think it's one of those things where... the old I get the tight of my circle got. I don't have a lot of people in my circle because, you know, you start, you know what I'm talking about. You start weeding folks out, they weed themselves out for a reason. And then your circle becomes a matter of relevance,

importance, and, excuse me, all of the above. And it was like, so, you know, that person does not exist in my circle. You know what I mean? Yeah. But what it did teach me was how random and how short life is, man. You can't take nothing from running.

Yeah. You know, you can't take. So even now, like, just those who may have made an impact or who influenced you in some way, you know, you got to call your people. You got to check them. You got to just say, what's up? Because, you know, you can still have friends that you don't speak to every day. But still, you got to just reach out to folks and be like, yo, you're good.

I'm just checking. You good? life, and to live life differently, right? Because it's random. It's super random. So you've got to cherish these moments. You got to take time. I think we'd be so caught up in our bubble and our goals

and we be so focused on X, Y, and Z, but we don't take time to be right here right now. Like this fellow, like, first of all, congratulations to y'all, man. This is beautiful. How you got here, how you got here. Thank you. South Carolina boys, baby.

We got $200 million. You know? What? He definitely didn't. He got $200 million, she said. Stop listening to them. They're crazy. Either way, big ups.

You know what I'm saying? I don't take this moment for granted. I don't take God put me in this room right now with y'all for a reason. I appreciate having you absolutely. You know what I'm saying? So, man, you speak about random, not to stay on this, but how did Mr. Michael Gawal-Wall's death impact you? I'm glad you brought that up.

That's interesting. I had lost my father. I don't know if you know. I lost my father. The day I buried my day. The day that we was like... What? The day I buried my father, the day they put him in the crematory where they were...

That same day. What? I had just left and I'm sitting in a restaurant because we're all going to grab something to eat. My brother, no, he was there and I'm sitting there. I had just ordered. My sister walks over to me with the phone. and goes like this. Damn.

And I was like, you know what I mean? Like, I can't process that right now. Because at first I thought it was a joke. I thought it was like a hoax because you know how every now and again there's always a rumor. They'll kill us off. You know what I'm saying? Thankfully, they haven't done that to me yet.

It would be the Facebook people. I don't know what it is. But I'm just saying I couldn't process it at the moment. Like, I literally could not process that at that moment. And what's crazy is how everybody, was calling me, you know, like, sorry for your loss, sorry for, and I'm thinking they're talking about my dad. Wow.

And they're talking about Malcolm. Wow. Because to them, what we represented was like the ultimate friendship, right? This was something that even if, even if they didn't know, you know, the level of whatever, but to me, they did think that. They thought we were best friends in real life.

So people were calling me saying that and, you know, It was very weird. It was very weird time. That was random. Used to go out random. That was so random. It was super random. And again, another reminder.

Another, I mean, I don't know all the details. You know, I think he was on vacation or something. He was on vacation. He was on vacation. And I was like, wow. And so my heart went out to his family. Like, I felt like, man, I can't imagine. Like, I wouldn't want to.

You know what I'm saying? But I know his mother lost his son. You know what I'm saying? His daughter lost a father. Like, you know, their loss is nothing, you know, in terms of him compared to, you know what I mean? Does it make sense for them to say? Yeah.

I felt more for them. But I was also processing my own situation at that time. Probably, probably your own immortality in a lot of ways. Bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100.

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Well, you can see. I'm supposed to. It's back. It's back. All right, cool. Jesus. I'm saying, man, like, yo, the world we live in right now is so crazy. Anyway, if I play a character that makes you like hate me,

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No, no. My point, bitch, shut the fuck up. I was waiting for it. It came. No, I think, I think, I don't make excuses. You know what I'm saying? Like I live my life and people who know me, people who grew up with me, people who know me, they know me.

And that's the difference. Like when I go on stage, right? It's like I'm so different. Even as a person, I'm so different from Cole. I'm not, I'm the furthest. I grew up in Harlem. Like, I'm the, I'm the furthest thing from Cole you could possibly think of. And people who know me know that.

Sometimes people find out the hallway. You know what I'm saying? Like, because, you know, but I try to be as nice and as genuine as. possible like i mean i don't know if you've heard stories about me or not and i don't really care you know but i know one thing is i'm always going to be my authentic style so you know and it's just it's just one of those things where it's like i can't live my life worried about what other people think or how to separate that from that my circle is my circle family those who i care about those who care about me that's the piece that's where i need the piece

mentally what is it like when you play a character like cole and cockroach and people only see you as that for the first time like when you experience someone who really doesn't in real life separate the two for the first time how is that for you mentally because it's probably weird to experience that like for the first time it still happens for the first time all the time like it happens every day it happened in a parking lot across the street right it's just wild like when people encounter me

or encounter that, they think you're that. So they're like, you know. And that's another reason why I started doing stand-up, too, because it's like they got to know, people need to know who Carl Paine is. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, they got to understand that everything I did

was just a stepping stone for the next thing, right? But I was called Paine first, right? These characters, and that's what happens. Sometimes you get stereotyped. You get stuck in some of these iconic characters or whatever. Like, and every big star has gone through it, from Eddie Murphy to Sylvester Stallone to whoever, right? What's up?

Cockroach. That's what we're literally talking about right now. This is Carl Anthony Payne in a second. That's a goddamn cockroach. I got excited. It's all good. My goodness. This is what we're talking about right now.

But honestly, I take it, I take it with a grain of salt. I don't get offended by it, right? I'm never offended by it because I feel like. It's a blessing, too, though. That's what I'm saying. God put me in a position to make it. impact, that's part of my, that's part of my legacy, right? That's part of my, that's part of what success.

My stomach is going wild, by the way. I feel like when you get put in position, right, when you've been blessed with faith, when you've been given a gift and you share that gift because that's your, and that was one the thing Tommy taught me. He was like, your gift is not yours. My grandmother told me that. Your gift ain't yours. You know growing up in the South, your gift is not yours.

The gift and your purpose are tied together. and when you're living in that, you know it. And you don't take that for granted. So when people who don't know me, that just goes, oh, I got more work to do. I got more work to do. I got more work to do because, again, I was Carl Paine first. Now you get to know who Carl Paine.

When you come see me on stage, you're like, oh, he's Pop, Pop. He's a father. He's a this, he's a that. And I can relate to that shit because he's saying the wild shit that I think, but I never say out loud. or the thing that I go through all the time but I just never I didn't know you went through that too

yeah yeah yeah I got caught my dick in my hand yeah you know what I'm saying like relatable yeah yeah you know what I'm saying right you know figuratively please shut up he gonna be like so you got caught you dick your hand you hate retarded people with dicks in their hand

what did I walk into you're man no big you hate for you know what so when you got you got let go from the coffee show right yes yes I did Was it for having you dick in your hand? Jesus Christ.

What did I look to? I had my dick in my hand and I was talking to this retarded girl. You know what was funny? All while Bill was making cappuccinos, and he had all these white women in the room and I was like, what is this? What's so funny though, is back then there was two things my dad used to use an example as an example. I don't even know if this is true.

He used to talk about a family member who didn't remove an earring. That's why he didn't make the pros as a baseball player. And you're not wanting to come. cut your head on a copy show. You know, but I don't know if that's true. It's not true. It's not true. I told the story once before.

I told the story once before. And, you know, I've only, so I don't do interviews a lot. So I've only spoke about it one time. What happened was, it was the ballheaded episode. I remember that one. The ballheaded episode. And the guy who they had working as the barber, whoever he was, right, he hot combed my joint. We high-combed it, right, to make it lay down so it could fit under the ball wig.

Excuse me. And we didn't shoot in order. We shot like out of order, so to speak, right? And my hair, they tried to get it back, didn't match from what we had shot earlier. And, you know, Bill had this thing about not, you know, natural hair and all of this, other stuff like that and all this, that, and the other, and he thought I did it. And I was like, I talk to your men's in them. I do this, you know? I feel like there was a lot more going on at that time because to be let go for something like that.

Oh, no. He thought you did what, curled your hair back up? No. Yeah, he thought I did it. He thought like I put a perm in it or something. And I'm like, no, why would I do that? Like, that's crazy. He just had a bad day that day.

That's what I'm trying to say Like I feel like there was more going on To be let go for something like that And I just never spoke on it I never I let people run wild With all kinds of stories for years I don't care but You know

Why would I like that's the most arrogant thing for me That's the stupidest thing ever Of course I cut my hair I gotta have involved for real But that's what happened Wow And he thought I did it He thought I did it

And I was like no sir That's not what happened Did I ever spoke after that? I heard about that too. I heard y'all spoke and you cursed him out. Well, I mean, because he was cursing. Listen. I thought he don't curse.

Duh. Yeah, no, look, look. It was, you know, he's a very interesting man. Let's just say that. He's a very interesting man. Sometimes, you know, people like ketchup when it's cold. I like it when it's warm. I don't like to put my ketchup in.

in the refrigerator. So what was the conversation about? You fired me for cutting my hair? How was it? And what was it? How far after was that? Well, first of all, it was a very in the moment thing that happened. That was kind of, you know, it was, it was very high energy, high intense at the time

because it was ridiculous. And then, you know, sometime later, saw him again and, you know, he had some very, uh, wild things to say then too, you know, which was like interesting. I'm like, oh, okay. So jello pudding pops is just a commercial. Just an act. I get it. I get it.

But, you know, again, I don't talk about old stuff. I don't talk about things that just is, you know, because I feel like this. There's a blessing in everything. Everything that happens happens for a reason. And so what that did was at that time, it opened my eyes to a lot of things. in terms of this industry, how it can be, things that can happen, if you built for this type of thing, you know what I'm saying? But it also, like, sometimes when you're being rejected,

you really just being redirected. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So. Divine misdirection. Yeah, yeah. So at the time, you don't see that. At the time, you're just, like, devastated or whatever the case may be.

And, again, as I've gone on in life, and I've been asked about this a million times, I'm never going to disparage another man. His name, regardless to how I feel about it, regardless to whatever happened then. You know, because I feel like things that happened at that time was that time. I can't speak for somebody else's mental capacity or whatever they're going through. I can't speak for nobody else. And I'm not going to speak disparaging on somebody else. It happened.

It was what it was. I did what I did. I didn't do that. and my life continued to prosper. You know what I'm saying? I was a part of a, I've been a part of some great thing. Classics. You know what I'm saying?

And so therefore I already know God got his hand on me. You know, he's got something for me. I'm still here. I'm still doing my thing. Absolutely. Was that your last question about that? Was that your first offense on God's the show? As far as I knew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? saying like as far as I knew I never got like warnings about anything I never got nothing but there are always stories about that being like a really tight ship like I always heard to say about the Lisa Bonnet firing because they didn't want to write her pregnancy into the show and like listen I was so not into none of that like honestly I was just a kid having a ball yeah you know what I'm saying I was a hood star you know what I mean like I was I was on a number one show in America having having great time and just and and just like I

saw the interview that you guys did with him and you know the narrative that somebody else may have created or tried to say with malcolm you mean yeah yeah like i was never jealous at him it's not my it's not my pedigree i was oh look when you raised in holland when you come from service when you see another man shining you be like what's up you see somebody pull up in a wick be like yeah yeah catch me on sat i'm gonna have mine too you know what i mean like i was never um envious or i was super happy and thankful to be a part of the show on a whole just in general You know what I mean? But yeah, no, I was thinking back on the question that you was asking.

I think everything just happens for a reason. Yeah. It kind of makes sense now, though. If there's a narrative that you're jealous to somebody, they might just be waiting for the right opportunity to get you out. Of course, of course. But you see what I'm saying? But you're always the last to know about that narrative.

Think about it. I'm sure this has happened to everybody in this room in their career. Yeah. When you're doing you and you're living life just being you, someone else is always going to feel some sort of way about that, especially if it's not their life, right? Sometimes they see a light in you, sometimes they see something in you that they will. I'm pretty sure you've been called arrogant and cocky and all these different things,

but it's your confidence. And a lot of times confidence comes off as that, you know, especially to some people who may be a little insecure or not or whatever. And I'm not speaking on nobody in specific. I'm just speaking in general. And in this business, in this industry, you have to be. Like Mike Epps just said in his special, he was delusional, right? So think about it.

All of us, you've got to be a little delusional. You've got to be a little cocky to think that you're going to beat out 100, 100 other people for a role. That's real. Right? To think that you're going to make it. Out of everybody on the planet, you're going to make it. You're going to be the one. You have a little bit of that energy.

You're going to have to have a little bit. You're going to carry yourself sometimes with that energy, especially if it's coming from a place of, this is God, this ain't me. But others don't recognize that, right? And so sometimes it gets misconstrued or mistaken. And again, you're always the last to know. How someone feels about you.

You're always the last to know. Malcolm said in that interview, though, that you guys had gotten to a good place and y'all were having better, like, adult-grown conversation. 100%. Look, look, we have kids. We have audio just, if you want to play. Yeah, we got the audio?

Yeah, we got the audio. Are you still cool with cockroach? Carl Anthony Payne. Hilarious, of course you did. We're cooler as adults than we were during that time. Really? What, y'all didn't get along, man? No, no.

Not at all? The young eagle? Yeah, that's what it was. All right. The original callbacks for Cosby, they flew in an actor from Chicago and flew in an actor from New York. Caro was the actor. They flew in from New York.

So, had I not auditioned for the show, Carl would have played Theo. I don't look at you about. every day and see you took my part. And then I got to come back and play your best friend. So, you know, I think on one hand, that was part of it. And he just had a, he had a huge ego. Pretty off.

You know, yeah, he had a huge ego. So, and I didn't come from that kind of place. The way I felt then and the way I feel now, you know, based on my career, if anybody, you know, should walk around with a huge ego, it should be me. Right. And if I don't roll like that, I don't really, I have very little tolerance for people who roll like that. We just never really got along back then, but, you know, we're grown now.

And, you know, and Carl's been through a lot. Like, his journey is, you know, it's been, you know, he's had a journey. As adults, we've been able to, like, sit down and have conversations, and we're in a very cool, grown man place now. That's good. Yeah, yeah, 100. I mean, I think it's interesting some of the things that he said. That's water, by the way, brother.

This is just water. That's regular water. I know, right? Don't in a little. Yeah, that's a crazy. I'm like, that's the craziest water for their bikers and stuff, so, but they can't have regular water, so they make their own water for. And they just put it in a can. And they just put it in the same can.

I'm going to, you're like, you know, all right. You ever have to ask that question on the set of the Cosby Show? It's just water. Wow. Wow. Yo, please stop, yo. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. No, I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting. Like I said, yeah, we, you know, we were kids, man. We were kids. It was the 80s, you know. Different time. Different time, different energy.

We come from two different places. You know, like I said, people don't, you don't always mesh. You don't always understand, you know, when you got different energies and things of that nature. You know what I'm saying? I think some of the word choices he chose was very interesting to say, like, you know, in terms of like what he felt, I guess, at that time, that he felt like he should have been a cocky one or he should have been.

The one with the ego. The one with the ego or whatever the case may be. The both of you all had great career. And tolerable and those kind of words and things of that nature is very interesting. But again, we were kids. we were kids you know what I'm saying but again I never ever had any type of and people who know me

and people who around back there they know I was had no no hatred in terms of somebody else's success I was happy to be a part of that joint glad to be a part of it blessed you kidding me

and I worked for it I didn't just it wasn't handed to me like I literally had to audition for over the year following that had to audition for the part of the boyfriend the this to that I kept auditioning back to back over and over and over again for all these other roles including that one and then when that one came along I just happened to I guess my persistent and consistency paid off in terms of that but yeah yeah not but then you know you grow up

and you start seeing okay we was kids back then you know whatever that was I don't even know what that was right you go what was that and you see somebody else doing good and you're like okay now I'm a father we all it's yeah yeah you know what I'm saying like it to me it's kid stuff right whatever happens like then that's why I say when I do interviews or talk about things

it's like why are we talking about something that happens if you know co-workers and brothers brothers fight family fights they don't get along and then you've got family members who never speak to each other again because they're reneged in spades you know what I mean? They can't even come to the cookout

they can't even come because and they still mad about dumb stuff, man. I don't have time for that my life, man. I love everybody. I only got a couple more questions, but what role taught you the most about yourself as a man? A role or environment?

What role or environment taught me the most about myself? The role of life. The role of life, brother. The role of life every day. There's no, because everything I do in terms of those characters, I put my real life into it in some way, aspect or another. But life is always the best teacher, you know, being the role of a father, being the role of a grandfather, being the role of a husband, being the role, all these different things. That's, that's, you know, you're a family man, right?

You're a family man. You know, there's always going to be something that humbles you. There's always going to be something that makes you appreciate what, you know, what you have. have what you don't have all the above and then you can take those life experiences and throw them into your comp you can throw them into a character you know it's easier sometimes like I said earlier when you when you're playing a character because even though it's your face it's still a mask it's still like you know what I'm saying it's like you're you're really pouring into something else but when you're on stage you're not saying hey I'm up here representing just

I'm not Jess, I'm just Jess. Right. You know? Yeah. And your, that brings me to young Dylan, because I, me and my son, watched it together, right? That was my favorite. That's been my favorite.

That's been my favorite. All right, cool. Because I wanted to answer the question for you when he asked you that, but it's not my interview. But I was like, I feel like the role of the dad that you play in Young Dylan is more so who you resonate with now because you are Pop Pop, you are the father, you're showing that you're also teaching, you're also teaching,

young Dylan the way of life. You know what I mean? And being his dad. So like, I was a perfect role. That was the perfect role at the perfect time. It's like I really didn't have to do no work. You know what I'm saying?

And I do that anyway. Like I go around the country, speaking to kids, you know, I'm very big on mental health. I'm very big on taking up the torch where Tommy left off in terms of just talking to the youth and trying to get them to understand, not trying to get them to understand, but passing along my knowledge,

passing along my gain. Anything that could help them change their life. Like, I've had other comedians, I've had people come up to me and say, like Billy Sorrell's, for example, right? Yeah. He was like, do you know I became a comedian and an actor because of you?

I said, what do you mean? He said, you came to my school. I was in the third grade. Wow. He said, and you spoke to me. He pulled me aside. And you know what I'm saying? And stuff like that.

That's dope. Stuff like that or guys in jail talking about they were able to get through it. You know what I'm saying? Somebody was like, I was going to kill myself, but then I started watching. It's like, so that tells me that I'm on the right path. That God has, like I said, blessed me, giving me a craft that ties into my purpose, which is about changing lives. Laughter is healing, right?

And if I can use this platform or any other platform to heal somebody, to be able to change somebody, make an impact, a positive impact. To me, that's legacy, that's success, to be able to affect people's lives positively, right? Starting with your own core at home, so I'm with your family, and then I did my job. You just answered my last question. That's all I was going, it's all said and done.

How do you want your contribution to the game to be remembered? Just that, you know, I did my thing. did my thing thing and I left a positive impact on the world and uh because I said that when I started when I first started out the thing that made me want to do this um my father my you know it's weird family my father has had a very positive and I know it's all positive it's all positive because sometimes when things happen to you like you said when you get fired or you get let go you've been fired four times but I'm saying you would just be and directed, right?

I think there was an incident that happened when I was a kid. And this would be in my book and in my one-man show. I can't give it to you right here. But something happened. And I swore when I was in my bedroom. Growing up in the projects in Harlem, it was different. It was different, different. And I remember we were doing these reports.

and they had us looking at the obituary. Why would you tell a young black man to do a report on an obituary? So I'm looking at this obituary and I'm seeing everything that I see around me in real life. And I'm looking at this obituary and I'm being surrounded by all of this.

And this is like at the back of the daily moves. I said, you know what? I want to do something one day. I said, no, I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something that's going to mean something. I'm going to do something in my life and it's going to mean something and my name is going to stand for something. I'm not going to be a blurb on the back of the daily news.

I'm not. I'm going to make a difference and I'm going to do something and everybody's going to remember mine. Wow. You did that. You did that. Kyle Rose. I'm just joking.

Stop playing, man. Oh, yo, yo, yo. Okay, check it out. Now we're time for the. for all the other stuff, right? Comedy in Harlem. Gotta come see me this week. Comedy. This is a New York takeover.

I know we did, you know, we had the most somber interview I've ever had in my life. Comedy in Harlem, you know, that's going down Friday. It's a New York takeover. Comedy and Harlem on Friday. Tea Breezy, Tea Breezy Entertainment. What we at? Saturday. Saturday to 14.

He keeps saying Friday. Saturday. No, no, no. Friday, I'm in Comedy and Harlem. Okay. Saturday. Saturday. What we at?

Jersey Love. Yeah. Oh, JCU performing a lot of center. Jersey Love comedy show. We got To-Ray, Rudy Rush, DeLay. We got a whole bunch, you know what I'm saying? And I'm the surprise host. Surprise over.

Yeah. I'm the guest host. I'm the guest host for the weekend there. And then Sunday, yo, I'm starting to do these things around. First of all, I'm getting ready to go on tour. So everybody got to go to my page. I'm going to give it to you all so you can see where because I'm getting ready to do my one-man show.

And it's coming to Broadway. Wow. That part. Wow. Yeah, because I love John Leguizamo. I love Whoopi Goldberg. Like, I love to where I can put my acting skills with the comedy, but take you on this whole journey, you know, with this carth.

I love that. Nobody did that. I haven't seen one since Tyson. Mike Tyson did one. That's fantastic. That's what I'm doing. So just understand what's about to happen. Your boy's about to take it there.

Understand what's going to happen there. So, yeah, I'll give you all the dates for being on tour, but I'm also starting this other. Everybody started doing these little bingo joints. You've been to the little bingo thing? I've been seeing them a lot more. Yeah, yeah. I'm doing one on Sunday.

I'm doing a bingo brunch. Martin trivia bingo brunch on Sunday in Brooklyn. Where we at? Kirk. Captain Kirk, 1,000 Broadway. And then I'm at your spot. What's about? The mall.

Oh, you're at the mall. Yeah, next week. Do. Next week. What you doing there? Yeah, they didn't call you about that. They'd be finding a Dominican. What am I doing that?

I found out you're Dominican. What am I doing that? Black stuff no more. I'm going to do my rendition of the halftime Super Bowl show. So I'm going to. Hey, hey, hey, oh, hey, oh, yeah. So I'm doing that. Yeah, I'm doing them all.

American Dream Mall. American Dream Mall. I'm doing that next week. The 19th. Okay. Well, what I want to say is I love you and I appreciate you, yo, because I love you too, Jess. I grew up watching you and I never thought that I would.

but you don't think when you watch somebody on TV, you will grow up and meet them one day, right? And then I grew up watching you, and then you came to my show, and you watched me, and you laughed, because I'm funny, nigga, so I love you, I appreciate you today. But you know why I came, and I appreciate you too. You know, why I came, because I saw something in you.

I saw something in you, like, I would see you online, and I, you know how it is. Like, everything now is like, is different, different. That's all I gotta say. And as I'm studying the game, game and studying people. I'm like, and you know, you're like, okay, who am I going to team up with one day, right? And, and does she have it? Because you see a lot of these internet comedians and a lot of

cast that was just blowing up on the internet, they couldn't hold the hour. They couldn't hold it. You know, and I'm not hating on nobody. I'm so I'm going to go see if you could do it. And I came, and she delivered and killed, and I was like, she'd get busy. That's what I'm talking about. And I think it's too, I think too, because you saw it too, right? You studied it. You respected the craft. You respected the art. I think. I do.

I saw that in you. And you're mad, talented, you're mad, funny. Congratulations. You're right where you're supposed to be. You're on your way. You're out of here. Thank you.

For real, for real. There you have a call. Anthony Payne the second. We appreciate you for joining us. I bought you some stuff. What's the website, man? What's the website, man? Where?

Where's the website? That's the blackest you ever heard of my life there. Right there. Right there. So the tag. You know. No, it's not. Listen, man, listen.

Listen, no, it's not. Yo, what's the website? Nobody know the website? It's Carl Anthony Payne. It's Carl Anthony Payne Entertainment. Call Anthony Payne Entertainment. Call Anthony Payne and the same man. T. Breezy Entertainment.

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Puerto Rico. Oh, I can't see. All I can see is eyes and red hair, you know. I can't see. He's like, he's like, what was that show? When the guy with the fence, I can't, I can't even see you. I can't even see you, man. My bad, my bad, sir.

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