The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Cenk Uygur Talks Democratic Prez Run, Joe Biden's Ego, The Young Turks + More

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

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guest in the building. Yes, indeed. We have Cenk Uyghur. Welcome. Thank you, guys. How you doing, brother? Do I say As-salamu alaykum? You can. Okay. Alaykum salam. How are you, sir? Good, good. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, you decided to jump into this presidential

race and run for president. I did. I did. In fact, that's the point Charlamagne's making, in a sense, because I'm the first Muslim-born presidential candidate in U.S. history. That's right. So why did you want to jump into this race, this crazy race of people and everything that's going on?

Great question. It's because Joe Biden's definitely going to lose. And so we're all on board with the Titanic, and everybody's looking around like, oh, there's an iceberg, and we're going to run into it. That's true. And they're all like, we're all good with it. We're all good with it. We're all good with it.

I'm not good with it. So the guy's at 37%. No incumbent under 50% wins. He's under 40%. He's 15 points lower than when he barely beat Trump last time in the electoral college. 15 points lower. He's losing independence by 10 points. He's losing young people by four points.

There's no Democratic candidate that has any chance of winning if they're losing young voters he's down to a four-point lead among Latinos used to be 42 points for Democrats so does this brother look like he's gonna make a 15-point comeback I mean he'd be like he's making 15-minute naps so that he has no chance of winning what am i job is to wake people up and say this guy is in fact i even bought the url biden is going to lose.com wow okay and it redirects to my site because he has almost no chance of winning so what i'm doing is i'm on the board of the titanic and people go oh you're not the captain you shouldn't be you it shouldn't be you i say okay that's fair but it's got to be somebody okay so i'm lunging

into the captain's quarters and turning that wheel let's go we got to turn it it can't be biden because he's i i like democracy i want to keep it same i want to go back to you know just who you are because i know a lot of people are watching this and they're like oh that's they know you're from the young turks yeah you know tell us what the young turk network is for people who don't know yeah so uh we started this 21 years ago We're actually the oldest show in internet history. Wow. Okay. There were shows on before us, but they all went under. So we're the last man standing. We're the first partner ever for YouTube. We're the third partner for Facebook. So we've been

around forever. We're the OGs of YouTube. We're the first youtube partner ever so i'm the original youtuber uh and we now have five billion views a year and it's a network that has uh dozens of hosts and like for example our second largest show is indisputable with dr rashad ritchie okay and he is excellent he's out of atlanta he's as good as it gets. So we got Young Turks. We got Indisputable. We got Damage Report. Nina Turner. Nina Turner, yeah. Ida Rodriguez.

Ida, yeah. Ebony Williams used to be on Young Turks. Like half the folks you see on TV, Charles Coleman, folks that are on streaming networks, et cetera. So we're on YouTube and Facebook facebook of course are our pillars but we're also on all of the roku uh pluto samsung tv you name it as a 24-hour channel so basically we're progressives and the reason why we become so popular i started with nothing we started my living room with zero dollars my name is jank uger i got no, right? It's not like everybody's saying, oh, the Muslims are on Hollywood.

So we had nothing, and we rose up because people were like, yes, yes, why don't more people say that? When we were on the air in 2002, 2003, we're like, what are you guys, nuts? We're going to go into Iraq? Iraq didn't even attack us. And so everybody that listened was like, finally, I thought I was the crazy one they didn't attack us did they no they didn't so we've been saying stuff like that ever since so i was 100 against bush and cheney uh they did the torture they did the wars etc i was a million percent on obama's side but but we're

look we're ballsy so when ob Obama came in and he started doing things that were conservative, I was like, no, sorry. Okay. But you shouldn't be drilling in the Gulf. Three weeks later, it blows up. Right. So you got to challenge people. And the point of media is to challenge the powerful, no matter who they are. Right. I've always appreciated what Young Turks does. You know, I've always appreciated the commentary. And it makes me wonder, do you think you would be more effective as a president or as a host on Young Turks? Who can speak truth to power? Because in an era right now, we have all of this fake news and, you know, you can't really trust, you know, political pundits. You know, what do you what do you think you'd be more effective? Yeah. So, Charlamagne, you're totally right. Like there's a reason why I'm in media. And i and i went in and tried a couple of different things and so and i think media is more powerful i think fox news was way more powerful

than than the presidents right they would drive the agenda and they pretty much got bush elected back in 2000. so and trump really yeah and trump uh but in the case of bush they just literally cheated they just declared him the president when he wasn't right on the night of the election but that's a long story but bottom line is yeah we're top 10 network already on all of the platforms that we're on but we're going to go to number one so look our my job as the guy who's the founder and the ceo of the company is to make sure we beat CNN. So I'm not playing around. TV's going down and we're going up. We get 400 million views a month and we got over 27 million subscribers.

So we keep skyrocketing every year and those folks keep going down. So why bother doing the presidential thing? Because the only thing that could stop us is if Trump wins in 2024 and then Trump you know this is the media yeah this today he's targeting the media and he was talking about how he's gonna maybe even arrest the CEO of MSNBC well I'm the CEO of TYT we kick his ass 10,000 times more than MSNBC like Biden and MSNBC barely lay a glove on him compared to us right I did in 2016 I did a hundred days in a row of a segment we call loser donald

explaining to people what a loser he is he's bankrupted six companies that was true social it's going to be seven companies these guys keep calling him a racist sexist all this stuff but we all know that we all know that that's not working anymore number one you got to have a positive message of your own the democrats don't deliver on that nearly enough and number two you got to hit him where his theoretical strength is he's like oh i'm a big great businessman and you're like brother you've never had a successful company never all your companies are bankrupt you hide your grades like a little spoiled bitch uh he he's still hiding his high school grades what kind of a loser does that but biden he's he's i'm a gentleman uh you know my republican friends he starts brother we don't have time for your

republican friends we so my point is the reason i got in charlemagne is because we gotta turn the wheel we cannot lose democracy right before we're all about to win you know in 2028 we're in awesome shape the left is progressives are the young are totally on our side and now the younger all the way up to 50 but we can't win if biden lost the young yeah biden sucks you know what's so interesting um i i the thing that gets me about trump even now is like why do you think american people support a person who is who clearly doesn't believe in the constitution like these are the same people who get mad when you take a knee during the national anthem, but you're okay with a president

who clearly does not support the Constitution? Why? Yeah, they have a thousand excuses, right? And everybody's in their own little cult, right, in their own little bubble. So in the Trump cult, they're like, no, when you bankrupt businesses, that means you're a good businessman. No, it doesn't. It means you bankrupted them, right? When he says, hey, I want to suspend the Constitution, they're like, that means he businesses that means you're a good businessman no it doesn't it means you bankrupted him right when he says hey i want to suspend the constitution they're like that means he's really pro-constitution no it doesn't it means he's against the constitution he thinks that the constitution is a pain in the ass because he'd like to be dictator every time

he goes and talks to the north korean leader the chinese leader comes back and goes man they stand up and applaud for him and it's so great and everybody has to do exactly what he says yeah that's because he's a dictator idiot right and and the thing is he wants that that's why he wanted to suspend the constitution you guys know that they had a three-hour meeting uh before january 20th about rolling out the tanks and everybody in the trump administration to their credit by the way threatened to quit if trump rolled out the tanks against the american people that's who he is he hates america he doesn't even believe in america he thinks america would be much better if it was a dictatorship run by me right so no we and and imagine how bad joe biden is that he's like 77 of the country's worried that he's not going to be

mentally healthy enough in his second term. When three quarters of the country says, we don't know if you're even going to make it through a second term and democracy's on the line. And he's like, I don't care. I don't care that I'm 81. I don't care that I'm 15 pounds down from where I was. I don't care that three quarters of the country doesn't want me to run. I don't care.

I want two terms. Do you have any fear? Like you talked about, you know, minorities not necessarily rocking with Biden and you talked about being on the ship, right? Do you ever think about what you jumping and trying to steer the ship in what you were saying that it will split the vote and it'll make it worse for Biden and Trump will be easier to get in office? Kind of like what happened, I think, with Hillary, the reason why Hillary lost, there were so many people against her. Yeah. No, I'm not worried about that at all. And I'll tell you why. So if you're in the general election like Cornel West is, then it's a little bit of a danger.

Right. Then you got you taking away three points. Those three points could be critical. Correct. And remember, the Democrat has to win by five to win the electoral college. So when Biden is losing by five to Trump in a poll, that means he's down 10 because he won by four and a half last time. The popular vote and almost lost. so you got to win by five right so but in a primary the stronger the primary is the stronger the candidate is so in 2016 the republicans have the like the most vicious primary anybody's ever seen and they win in 2020 the democrats have 27 people at each other's throats and they win and And you want to know why? Because primaries draw media attention.

So you get hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe even billions of dollars in free media to Democratic points. But if you don't have a primary, you just gave that up and you give a giant advantage to the Republicans. So we need to have a bigger primary, stronger primary. And by the way, I invite everybody in. I mean, I was on C-SPAN the other day i was like john stewart should come in right uh the democratic governor should come in whitmer newsom etc shapiro pritzker in illinois they'd all be up 10 points higher than biden why are we giving up 10 points this is the most important election of our lifetime why are we giving up 10 points because why because washington want to wants to kiss biden's ass let's be honest about it let's let's be let's be frank right nobody thinks he's

gonna go to your local barbecue your house anyone that isn't involved in politics and ask him about biden you all know what they're gonna say they're gonna say he's too old yeah every single person in america is gonna say he's too old. But these guys are so arrogant in Washington. They're like, no one should be allowed to run against him. It will hurt his chances. Well, then if he's so weak, why is he running in the first place? I was going to say when he was here on Breakfast Club, he goes, if Joe Biden was doing what he was supposed to be doing, I wouldn't be considered a threat.

Yeah. Imagine me running as Obama. There's no way. There's no way. Right now, I'm registering in Pope. You would never do that because Muslims support Muslims. Shut up, man. I'm just joking, guys. I'm just joking.

Okay. Yeah, so everybody would get laughed out of the room if you're running against Obama. And then some people say, well, Obama at one point dipped to 43. First of all, he dipped to 43. he was high 40s and 50s throughout right biden has been low 40s high 30s throughout he didn't dip there he's been there and does he look like barack obama you know what i thought obama was a little too conservative for my tastes but he was a talented politician he was an amazing politician when you say too conservative for my tastes, but he was a talented politician. He was an amazing politician. When you say too conservative,

like what's wrong with some conservative values? Because I believe that, you know, we all have some conservative values. So here's the thing. It depends on what we're talking about. People usually say conservative, progressive, and they just never bother explaining, et cetera. So if you say some conservative values

like value your family, of course, right? I'm an immigrant. We value family, right? Anti-crime. Sure. Who the hell wants to get jacked? Okay. And some people on the left are like, oh, no, no, no. I'm from the South. I like guns too. Yeah. And you like guns. Okay. I do want some common sense gun control. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So like you like guns. I don't like guns, but so what? Right. So my co-host, she has a gun, right? And a Kasparian.

And so a lot of our hosts have guns. It is what it is. Okay. So that's all good. When I say too conservative, I mean too corporate. Okay. So like did Barack Obama take donations from corporations and did he bail out the banks? Did he give too much drilling permits to to oil companies

offshore etc yeah he did but is that a conservative thing or is that just a politician thing because it feels like all these politicians are in the pockets of some type of corporation yeah no these days charlemagne that is a very fair point so and in fact that's what i write about in the book which is that look the the republicans used to be the party of lincoln and then they did the southern strategy and the southern strategy was hey Lyndon Johnson passed Civil Rights Act Voting Rights Act so he gave up the racist voters in the south let's go get him right so the Republicans went from party of Lincoln to the party emphasizing racism let's be honest about it that's what the southern

strategy is right and for the Democrats we used to be the party of FDR right and we fight for the average guy and we do social security, we do protections, et cetera. But since 1976, 78, Supreme Court made bribery basically legal and just calls them campaign contributions. So then everybody got hooked on the cash, including the Democrats. So what they always say is, what do you want me to do? I can't win unless I take all this corporate money. And if I take the corporate money, I've got to do what they want, right? Well, I don't want you to do that. I want you to be honest. And especially, like, look, Fetterman's in a similar situation now.

But when Obama won and then he's going off for a second term, especially after he won the second term, but he could have done it even before he won the second term. He's got enough power and popularity to be able to say, you know what, guys? I'm done with the corporate money, okay? I'm in my second term. What are you going to do about it, okay? And from now on, we represent the people. So to give you a modern example from the Biden era, right?

So they say, well, we're going to give you voting rights, right? That was one of their top priorities, voting rights, rights voting rights and they talk big game about that and then they come in and oh no it turns out we can't do it because there's the filibuster well wait a minute you didn't know there was a filibuster so why were you promising the voting rights if you knew there was a filibuster and you knew you were going to be in favor of keeping the filibuster like me i'd shred the filibuster i get rid of it instantly. They're talking about parliamentarian. We're not in parliament, okay? But number two is, guys, that filibuster is not like locked in stone, right, or written in stone. They moved it a bunch of times in Biden's first two years. One of the things that they moved it for was raising the debt ceiling.

Now, why? Because if they don't raise the debt ceiling, the stock market crashes. So when the stock market was on the line, all of a sudden, the Democrats, Biden, everybody's like, oh, filibuster, we don't raise the debt ceiling the stock market crashes so when the stock market was on the line all of a sudden the democrats biden everybody's like oh filibuster we don't need that stupid thing that's bs anyway we don't screw the filibuster right voting rights oh filibuster yeah filibuster can't do it yeah and and by the way if you like for the folks at home that don't know filibuster sounds like a like an old antiquated senate. What the hell does it even do? The reason the filibuster came about in the first place is because the Southerners wanted to protect minority rights,

as in not minorities, blacks, Latinos, et cetera, but minority vote as the South, because they were not in the majority. And so they wanted to protect themselves against civil rights legislation, and most of the time it was used to block themselves against civil rights legislation. And most of the time it was used to block anti-lynching legislation. OK, so you tell me it's such a great Senate tradition that protected lynching in the South. I'm not interested in that goddamn tradition.

OK, so I'd scrap that in a second. Look, here's another reason why I'm running. None of the politicians ever do what they say. And I'm so tired of it, covering it day in, day out for over 20 years now. Like whenever Democrats get selected, you guys know what happens. Then we got to beg them and we got to plead and we got to, you know, I see you talking to Kamala Harris. Oh, please. Hey, why didn't you do this? Can you please do that? Wouldn't it be amazing if you had a Democratic leader who actually just did it? I guess they'll say to you, well, you didn't you do this? Can you please do that? Wouldn't it be amazing if you had a Democratic leader who actually just did it?

I guess they'll say to you, well, you know, that's not how politics works. Presidents can't do things. You know, Congress has to vote for this and that. Yeah, yeah, total, utter nonsense, total excuses. Here's why. It's not like you don't need Congress. Of course you need Congress, right? But they never try, right?

So how do you try? You go, okay, Joe Manchin, you're going to vote against me? Brother, if I was the president at that time, let's say we're doing Build Back Better and it's got all those good things in it, paid family leave, et cetera, right? I invite Joe Manchin to the Oval Office. I don't out him in the first place, right? I just come in and I go, look, here's the posters I made. Here's your big fat face. And here's all your contributors.

They're all energy companies, fossil fuel companies, healthcare companies, drug companies. Now, I'm going to do one of two things. Either you're going to vote with me, and we're going to get this thing passed, and we're going to end a filibuster, or I'm going to go out there and ruin you. And that's why people like Trump. Because if you weren't a politician, a Republican that was down with what they were down

with, he would put you on blast. He'd have a nickname for you. He'd tell everybody what you did foul, what you did wrong. He'd ruin you ruin you right no charlamagne you're a thousand percent right and that also partly motivated me to run because it turns out i was right about this i've been saying this on air the whole time i'm like look politics isn't just softball you got to do carrots and sticks you got to do hardball lyndon johnson on people. His party was full of Dixiecrats, right? And those guys didn't want to pass civil rights. And their political lives were on the line.

And Lyndon Johnson would say, I'm going to end you. I'm going to end you unless you vote for this. What's the chances Joe Biden's going to say, I'm going to end you, right? And what's going to be interesting, I started to say President Manchin because you can't tell. You couldn't tell sometimes. Exactly. Joe Manchin's about to jump into the presidential race, apparently, allegedly, right?

Yeah. That's when they're going to try to talk bad about him. And I'm going to be like, no, I don't want to hear it. Because all of the times that y'all could have talked bad about him, y'all didn't. So don't tell us about how bad he is now. I'm actually going to hear him out. Yeah.

Well, look, I got no interest in Joee manchin he's a corporate stooge he's a servant of corporations that buy him he gets bribed more than almost any politician etc but you're absolutely right that where were you when joe my joe manchin was killing 85 of your agenda that's right you know what he did he called him jojo joe biden did and he handed him the pen that he signed the Inflation Reduction Act with. So you know what that tells me? You didn't mind that he killed 85% of your so-called agenda. You didn't mind at all. They're playing good cop, bad cop, guys.

That's right. And that's why every time they get in an office, oh, guys, it's so hard. Did you know about Congress? Yeah, of course we know about Congress. Your job is to – and you know what they do always? Like they get in an office and they're like, now the voters have to work hard to get my agenda passed no no no no we worked hard to get your ass elected now you work hard to get your agenda passed so do you think there should be an age limit when it comes to running for president no i don't i don't it's not about age look because they said biden went through his physical they said he didn't

have dementia they said all these things but it's not what we see yeah but we got eyes right so so i mean this is like when trump went uh to fulton county and self-reported his way to 215 yeah except we got eyes brother okay so you ain't anywhere near 215 you're closer to 315 so joe biden's doctors can tell me that he passed a physical all day long but we see him walking like this. We see him get confused on stage. We see him confuse Taylor Swift and Britney Spears and turkeys. We see him. He can't finish the sentence.

Who are you kidding? Right. So it's not about age limits because, like, for example, Trump, I hate him, as you could tell. But he looks energetic. Right. And they say, oh, well, he's slipping. He keeps confusing Biden and Obama. Yeah, that's true. But he didn't have much to fall, right?

I think he's doing that on purpose. Yeah, and there's a lot of that too. Yeah, I think he's doing that on purpose. He's doing that to basically say, I don't know who's really in control, because I've been seeing that talking point a lot lately. People are saying Barack Obama's pulling the screens from behind the scenes. So we see everything like a year or two before everybody does

because we're so connected to the audience because we're getting tens of thousands of comments, hundreds of thousands of comments, hundreds of thousands of comments every day, right? So we started seeing that talking point two, three years ago. I went and shot a family that's half Republican, half Democrat for a show we're doing, and the Republicans are all like, oh, Obama controls Biden. And I thought, what a good day in America where they think the guy pulling the strings is a black man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's the upside of that conspiracy theory. They do that too with uh if you know that they do that with the vice president too like you know like whenever he makes a mistake and says president harris they'll amplify that because they know that terrifies people just the thought of you know vice president harris becoming the president yeah so look uh that they believe every conspiracy theory there isn't anything that you could say that's crazy enough for a right winger not to believe right uh but but to me the right wing is the right wing i know i know who that devil is right and i know how to fight that and i want to fight it i don't like i

don't start speeches like joe biden does with my republican friends i've been doing secret deals with them my whole life i know brother i know that's the problem that's not the answer right so i'm willing to fight them. It's when you lose the Democrats is when it's so frustrating, right? What about this uptick in, you know, allegedly you see these polls saying that 22% of black people are going to support Donald Trump. I mean, they're probably over-indexing a lot,

but what do you think that's about? No, I think it's real. But I'm seeing it a lot more. I see it a lot more. Yeah, yeah, me too. 22% would be a lot, but what do you think that's about? No, I think it's real. But I'm seeing it a lot more, even when people like Colas. Yeah, yeah, me too. 22% would be a lot, but I do know it's an uptick, but 22%, that seems like it would be a lot. You're right, except for the fact that, like I said, with Latinos, Democrats had a 42-point lead in 2012. Here we are just 11 years later, down to four points.

And I think that what is happening with blacks latinos young people etc is people going i just had enough of it like the democrats are always talking a great game and then they just never do it they just never do it so that it's like it's impossible not to get super frustrated and the thing that trump has that's appealing to uh some voters that honestly aren't are just not that into politics right but they're getting but they're like okay Biden's too old I can see that right and so I don't want to vote for that guy but secondarily Trump's one thing that the Democrats in DC don't get is he gave a middle finger to the establishment and people love that right now it's fake because it's like he's not doing it for the

people he's doing it for himself right and so he's funneling money to his properties etc etc but i don't know if you guys remember that johnny cash uh uh album cover from way back in the day where he he's in fulsome prison and gives a middle finger on the album cover okay and that's what and people love that because they're like screw the establishment screw the powerful and it looks on the surface if you don't look deep into it that trump is saying screw the establishment screw the powerful and there's a lot of regular americans white folks black folks latino folks who are like yes screw the powerful and what's the Democrats answer?

They're like, oh, we'll pick the most pro-establishment people on earth, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and say, oh, no, the powerful are great. The establishment is great. Why don't you vote for us again? And again, we'll do close to nothing. So that's why. Yeah, I'm all for people. I'm all for anybody who says screw the establishment. But you can't say screw the Constitution.

Like, you know, like he literally said he never swore to support the Constitution. He said he didn't take an oath to support it. Well, he took the oath. Which he literally did. The oath was protect, preserve, and defend, but he said, splitting hairs, I didn't say support. Right.

Like, how could you support any candidate who doesn't support the Constitution? I don't understand it. So to that point, Charlemagne, so when we say screw the system, what do we mean, right? Just like what do we mean by conservative, right? So when you say screw the system

and you mean the corruption of people getting campaign contributions and doing exactly what their donors tell them to do, then yes, screw the system. But if you mean the Constitution and democracy, no, no, no, no, no, no, we like that part. We like that part. We like that part. That's the part we're trying to preserve.

Yes. Yeah. So I don't understand how anybody could support someone who clearly does not support the Constitution. That's mind-boggling to me. Yeah, 100%. And so I'm in the same exact situation as you. And you talk about President Biden. I feel, you know, when you say President Biden should step aside, then what's the plan B?

Like you named some names, but it's like when you start saying, when you say President Biden should step aside, then what's the plan be? Like you heard, you named some names, but like, it's like John, when you start saying, when you got to reach for celebrities, it's like, damn, yo, is the bench really that thin? John Stewart. I keep hearing people saying Gretchen Whitmer. This country will never elect a liberal woman ever. I think, I think Nikki Haley would stand a good, good chance because I think Nikki Haley, you know, um, she's already going to have the GOP. The GOP's already going to fall in line. And I think to the point you just made, people are looking for such an alternative that I think she would probably have more of a rainbow coalition than people

would expect. So Nikki Haley unfortunately would landslide Biden. She'd win super easy, like made probably by 10 points. It wouldn't even be a contest. I mean, guys, look, Biden's going to lose to almost anyone, right? He's already losing so badly to Trump. You put in someone insane and he's gonna get routed and she seems not insane yeah she's not insane now having said that she's a corporatist

I mean like she will do anything donor asked her to do right she's that's that's her whole shtick is what are the donors say yes sir no sir absolutely sir right now but if you're talking about the democratic side so you know sure obviously we're in the race jankforamerica.com and i would actually deliver etc but i get it guys like i'm at two percent right now in a quinnipiac poll sure i'm beating a couple of governors but we got a long way to go but those governors they i see their point like for example andy beshear in kentucky won by five points he's a democratar in Kentucky, one by five points. He's a Democrat. One in Kentucky by five points.

So now I'm not saying he's going to turn right around and run for president. My point is all those guys are way more popular than Biden are. And you've got to remember, by the time the election comes up, nobody, like right now, nobody knows J.B. Pritzker, the governor of Illinois. Right? But by the time the election comes up, everybody's going to know if he's the candidate right it's not like they're gonna be like oh who's the democratic candidate i haven't heard of him what about what's more about who what's more maryland um governor maryland that's a that's totally possible b by the way here's another name i uh i'm starting to hear uh warnock okay yeah so not Warnock uh he's gonna bring uh he would certainly bring all

the uh black voters back right that you're not losing 22 percent of black voters uh you he's in Georgia we need Georgia he's already won in Georgia right there's a look there's if people say Biden's the best we got and we all think he's almost definitely gonna lose well that means you've given up on the Democratic Party you're saying and you're saying there's just nobody who could run look my ultimate dream was back in the day i i try to help nina turner winning in cleveland because she's such a fighter so great all right on all the issues if she had won that race she'd be perfectly positioned right now right absolutely you know and and so nina and so guys basically I got tired of asking right and so we tried to get Nina in a position to win we you know we busted our ass for Bernie in 2016

2020 okay so now I asked everybody to come in I you know and you're right it's kind of it's a little bit break glass in case of emergency to talk about me, to talk about Jon Stewart, to talk about people in media and entertainers. But guys, who's Trump, right? Trump started at 1% in 2015. And all he was was a celebrity. And because he's a celebrity, they allowed him all over TV. So you guys are awesome. This is one of my top shows that I wanted to be on.

And thank you for letting me come on here Jake for America calm but it's harder for a guy like me to get a CNN town hall and to get appearances enough appearances on those places to be able to break through because if people hear my message like yeah wait a minute paid family leave that's mom's taking 12 weeks off after they have a baby it's at 84% why don't the Democrats even try? But also your competition to CNN. They're like, let's keep him on YouTube. Look, it could be, yeah. And so that's part of it.

But for a guy like Jon Stewart, he'd be all over TV instantly, right? Like if you ran Charlamagne, you'd be all over TV instantly, right? And so that gives you a huge advantage. And right now, politics is media. like the number one thing the number two thing you need in politics is the presidential level is money the number one thing you need is media and so anyone who could break through to the media instantly has a shot if trump started at one percent and i started two percent you're telling me john stewart doesn't have a shot you don't have a shot no it's a whole new day in America. I'm telling you right now.

I'm talking shit. I'm voting for Jon Stewart in a heartbeat. I promise you. If Jon Stewart was enough and he'd run for president, I am out there stomping for Jon Stewart. I believe in Jon Stewart just that much. What about you, Charlamagne?

No. Jon Stewart, absolutely. What is America's biggest need? Imagine Jon Stewart and Nina Turner on a ticket together. No, but that's what I'm saying, Charlamagne. That's what I'm saying. God damn. And think about it, guys. You know, the excuse for, hey, you can't vote for Cenk or Marianne or Jon Stewart or whatever is,

oh, you guys don't have experience in politics. And what good does that do? Jon Stewart is one of the most brilliant political minds that we've seen ever. And not only that, Jon Stewart has gotten more bills passed outside of Congress than people inside Congress has. So you want to talk about experience and getting stuff done, right? Why do you think I picked Jon Stewart?

I didn't pick Stephen Colbert, even though he's great, funny, smart, all that stuff. I picked Jon Stewart because he actually already got stuff done. And you know he cares. So look, man, run against me john run against me run against biden let's go we gotta shake this thing up and the minute and look my job is to knock his ass out. OK, he's an egomaniac narcissist who's willing to risk the country because he wants two terms instead of one term.

I was asking, what do you think Americans biggest needs are? What do you think that Americans should be focused on? I mean, people talk about the money that they're sending overseas for fights and wars and we can't even help our own. So what do you think it is? Yeah, so first of all, I wouldn't send another dime to Israel, okay? So you're killing 15,000 civilians. You're killing 10 times as many civilians as Hamas. You're killing over 5,000 children in there.

No, why do those bombs say made in the USA? I don't want it. I don't want to send any more money. You end the occupation. We want to send any more money. You end the occupation. We go back to giving you money. God bless. We're happy to do it. So enough. Whenever we ask for something, paid family leave, mom's getting 12 weeks off.

Everybody wants it. Like, oh, no money. Student debt relief. Everybody wants it. Oh, no money. A higher minimum wage. You get a $15 minimum wage, that pushes everybody's wages up. They're like, oh, that'll drive inflation. No, brother, we already have inflation. That'll mean your salaries can keep up with inflation. Why is your salary the only thing that can't go up, right? So higher minimum wage, lower drug prices.

These are things that help us so much that affect your day-to-day lives. If I win and I don't get those things passed, then I was useless, right? Because who cares who wins? The only question is, do you pass bills or don't you pass bills? If you don't pass the bill for voting rights, then you don't have the voting rights that you need. So like all this BS, but every time we say we need something, they say, no, we don't have the money, right? Then the minute there's a war, they're like, we got plenty of money. We got plenty of, hey, Ukraine of you hey ukraine you want money israel you want money defensive farming you want money you know every year the pentagon fails an audit and they say okay we gave you 800 billion dollars how much of it can you track they're like we tracked about 400

billion so you lost 400 billion dollars in the couch and now you're going to tell me that we don't have enough money for higher wages and lower drug prices and public option and you name all these things that the american people want that all poll above 70 percent seven out of 10 americans want it and all we hear from democrats and republicans is we don't have the money and in a minute there's a war oh my god we got plenty of money plenty of money let's go let's go let's give them it's unbelievable so if i was a president and now this would shake them to their core, and they'd say, oh, this is disqualifying. This guy is not, he doesn't want to give all of our money to defense contractors, okay?

I would cut the Pentagon's budget in half and go, you pass an audit, you get the other half. If you can't tell me where the $400 billion is, I'm not going to give you $400 billion. You find out where the hell it is, then we have a conversation. Cenkforamerica.com. Okay. So look, guys, imagine if I was considered, quote unquote, credible, and I'm getting CNN town halls left and right, et cetera. You think people wouldn't like this message? You think people would, oh, no, no, Cenk, don't do that. I need all the money not to go to me or my kids, but to go to Israel and defense contractors and oil companies.

You know we give oil companies $20 billion in subsidies every single year? That's our taxes, guys. Why are we taking our taxes and giving it to the richest companies in the world that are destroying the planet? Because of corruption. And by the way, look, I'll give one shout-out to Republican voters, not politicians. They hate the corruption. The reason Trump won in 2016 was drain the way, look, I'll give one shout out to Republican voters, not politicians. They hate the corruption.

They wanted the reason Trump won in 2016 was drain the swamp, right? Now, they picked the worst guy for it. He's like the king of corruption. He's the swamp thing. He is the swamp thing, right? But their intent was right. They hate the corruption. And a lot of times Democrats are like, oh, yeah, totally right, man.

They hear me talking. They're like Mitch McConnell taking a billion dollars from corporations and campaign contributions, most corrupt guy in America. I go, you know, Nancy Pelosi also took a billion dollars. They're like, shh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't say that. I'm sorry, guys, I'm sorry, but Pelosi and Biden have taken just as much as McConnell has. Well, it's the same thing when they talk about what Trump kids have done, you know, but when it comes to hunter it's like yeah you know yeah so that's so that's another great example right our job is to tell the truth right so is hunter biden a top ukrainian gas expert and one of the best modern artists in

the country at the same time come on come on come on right so so hunter biden is like a professional con man let's just keep it real right so he just goes around and around he's like an international man of mystery he's like oh yeah you like i there's no way he doesn't have a fake mustache okay okay and so but they don't have evidence connecting him to joe b They don't have it. Okay. You see me talking all sorts of crap about Joe Biden. If they had evidence, I'd tell you they had evidence. Right. They don't have the evidence. Joe Biden didn't do it. He doesn't need to do it. He's been in Washington for 50, 60 years. I love when they're like, he's Joe from Scranton. Brother, he hasn't been there in 60 years. That's right. He's Joe from Washington. Who are you kidding? Did you know his nickname in the Senate was the senator from MBNA? They used to be a credit card company out of Delaware. Like Joe Biden is so known for corruption that they called him a senator from a credit card company.

That was his colleagues. Damn. Okay. So Biden's going to lose that cup? Do you think that Muslim Americans are truly not going to vote for Joe Biden next year? We've been hearing that a lot. Right. Because the Palestine Israel is we're never going to we're not going to forget this. Do you really think when faced with the decision to choose between Donald Trump and Joe Biden? Because I don't know why people think you think with Trump was in the White House, things would be better. I could be it'd be worse. And he's already said he's going to deport, you know, anybody who's any immigrant who supports Palestine and he's

going to deport people from Gaza. He said that already. So are Muslim Americans really going to sit out next year? So I'm worried that a lot of them are. And so should they is a different question, right? So look, for me, I've been against Republicans for a long time. I actually grew up a Republican and then I realized, oh no, this is not the right party. Like once I found out about the Southern strategy, et cetera, which the media actually keeps from you. Like, do they ever explain, oh yeah, the Southern strategy is to get racist voters into the Republican party. If they explain that on day one, I'd have never been a Republican. Right.

So but they've been a lost cause for a long, long time. And so but when Trump said in 2016, I want to ban all Muslims from the country. Well, that's the end of the conversation. And so and I ask people like white Christian folks and I say, guys, how do you expect me to vote for him when he says he would ban me from the country? And they don't have an answer for that because their answer is I don't really care about you. I don't give a crap about you. And if he bans you from the country, I'm not going to break a sweat. Right. So there's no way that i would advocate for trump one percent now having said that basically arab americans muslim americans right now are disgusted with the giant green light

that joe biden put on uh israel bombing they're dropping 2 000 pound bombs on buildings did you guys see the uh tunnels idf went into the tunnels they're totally unaffected and hamas is in the tunnels they didn't get they almost didn't get any hamas guys then you ask the idf hey where's the hamas fighters that you guys say you're killing they don't have a shred of evidence because they're in the tunnels and the tunnels are totally unaffected okay so they've just been dropping bombs on civilians the whole time so as we see those little babies getting their skulls crushed grandmothers being lit on fire by bombs you got people in michigan going no i'm no i'm not saying i'm going to vote for trump but i'm not going to vote yeah if trump was in office man trump would have u.s troops on the ground in gaza who doing who knows what like it would be worse i agree that

it would be worse i do now having said that and it would be like you Like, it would be worse. I agree that it would be worse. I do. Now, having said that. And it would be, like you just said, it'd be worse for Muslim Americans here. Like, he's already said, I'm going to deport all Muslims. He said that. Yeah. So, look, I don't buy into the lesser of two evils argument. Like, people say, oh, lesser of two evils is still evil.

Yeah, but it's the lesser of the two evils, right? So, if you say, like, just an extreme example. Okay, Joe Biden, I don't like Joe Biden, as you can you can tell right he's up against hitler why is this a question it's not a question right we vote for joe biden okay yes right absolutely oh the lesser of two evils still evil yeah but it's a lot less evil than that other brother okay so to me that's a no-brainer okay now having said that i don't control all the voters right you have to realize what's happening on the ground right so the reason he lost younger voters is also because of gaza and that's why he's down four points with them now he for there's a lot of other reasons too but that

was a huge one but in michigan he's now has almost no chance of winning and you at a democrat has to win michigan among arab americans his support used to be above 70 it's now down to 15 gone gone i i agree with you i just got to see it to believe it i just don't think that a lot of these sensible people are going to stay home you know i think they're gonna i think a ton of them are gonna stay home i mean i've been saying that as you know 2024 is trump who's the criminal like these are your choices trump the criminal biden who's the coward because i feel like all democrats are cowards they don't fight enough and the couch and i think you know the couch is voter apathy so i think it's going to be a lot of that but i think it's going to be very hard for you for a lot of muslim americans to stay home knowing what would happen if trump gets in the white house i hear you but that couch

is what's going to do us in right because if I if you made every single person vote and especially if you told them all the facts, then the Democrat would win easy, even if he hasn't done much, et cetera, because the alternative is so bad. Right. But we don't we don't get to do that. You the person, the candidate has to motivate them to get up off the couch and to go vote. Now, the problem is for the Trump guys, they are motivated as you could possibly be. They're all going to vote, right? And for the Democrats, even if a small percentage stay home on the couch, we're done for, we lose, right? And right now, Joe Biden is on the couch and he's pushing everybody else towards the couch so he's saying okay you like you're a democrat you like civil rights you like human rights you

like this that no no no no no you want higher wages no you want paid family leave no guys again one last time if something's at 84 and you can't get it passed retire become a dentist right like go go do something else because you're saying you're saying i i suck at this i it doesn't matter if i got 84 percent of americans on my side 74 percent of republicans want it two people should not hold up your agenda yeah you know i mean and if you can't get that passed you just suck at politics i mean just guys you're supposed to hit him with a stick politically right you're supposed to say there's going to be a price to pay you're opposed to 84 and by the way one of the things that i would do is i'd call out the media why do you keep calling joe manchin a moderate what part of 16 is moderate right he's constantly on the 16 end that's right

he's not at all moderate he's a radical corporate servant right call him what he is talk about his donations that guy's got five million dollars from uh oil companies and coal companies he's got his own coal company did you guys know that no he made five million to tyt report on this five million dollars in the last 10 years from his own coal company and and biden never even talked about it. If I was president, I'd be like, listen, I know you want me to build this pipeline so you can get richer, Joe Manchin. And I see you on your yacht. You think we don't see you on your yacht?

That's the Democrats always think we're blind. We can't see Joe Manchin's yacht. You know what Sinema and Manchin did right after they voted against higher wages? They went straight to the National Restaurant Association and started collecting checks. Okay, literally. I mean, these guys are gangsters, but like in the worst kind of way, right? Like, they're just like, I'm a criminal.

Who cares? The media's not going to report it. You think the media's going to go tell people that I'm taking bribes from the National Restaurant Association? That's why I said two people should not be holding up your agenda. Like, you know, I can't accept that. I can't accept you being the president of the United States of America and letting, you know, a senator in Arizona and a senator in West Virginia

hold up a whole agenda. And if you did, by the way, you're just not good at this, right? So because here, last thing on paid family leave, why don't you put it up as a standalone bill, right? And put everybody on the spot. Put them on blast, okay? All right, so it was in Build Back Better and Manchin took it out and you call him JoJo and you love him.

Okay, fine, I got it. But today's a new day. Today's a new day. We can propose anything we like in the Senate. Why don't you make Chuck Schumer propose it? Even if it doesn't pass, it makes Republicans vote against three quarters of their own voters. Then you go tell everybody,

why aren't Republicans against moms? They want moms the day after they deliver to go back into coal mines and assembly lines. How much do Republicans hate moms, right? But Democrats are never going to do that because they take the same money from the same corporations, and then they pretend to be on our side. That's why I'm running. I got two more questions for you. What do you say to people who say it's too late for somebody to jump in now and challenge

Joe Biden? Yeah, nonsense. So first off, me, Mary Ann, Dean Phillips, we're on all the ballots. Not all of them, but enough of them to win easily. Okay. So not too late at all for any of us. What if Jon Stewart jumped in in January? Look, here's the thing. If Jon Stewart jumps in in January and Biden hasn't jumped out, it might be too late because they might not change the rules. That's why my job is to knock Biden out. Because when I knock Biden out, they're going to change

all the rules. It's not going to be like, oh, Marianne Williamson is in second place. Let's let her win, right? No, they're going to be like, oh, no, no, no, no. The filing deadlines are moved because of extraordinary circumstances. Governor Newsom, who's been warming up in the bullpen this whole time you know they're gonna be like this like you know i don't want him no i don't want him either i don't want him either but but i'll take a win because our my point is to get to 2028 we get to 2028 we win everything right then nina's back everybody's back okay right but we just got

to survive democracy just has to survive, right? But Newsom, look, he'll be in the primary. So will Whitmer, Pritzker. Pritzker's got a billion dollars, right? Shapiro is governor of Pennsylvania. He beat a Trump acolyte by 15 points, right? He would carry Pennsylvania instantly. So let those old guys come in and let's all fight, right? And let's let the best man win or let the best woman win and so i'm good and and they will definitely definitely change the deadlines it's

not like they're gonna be like oh no governor newsom sorry you can't michigan's gone south carolina's gone uh we're just going to give it to marianne or jen or dean it's not going to happen you all know they're going to change right so? So the minute Biden says, I'm not running anymore, is the minute we have a real primary and we get a strong Democrat to go kick Trump's ass. Stop talking about how much you like Republicans. Start fighting them. Start fighting them and start fighting for your voters. I'm so tired of Democrats who never deliver for their voters and never fight

for their voters i agree so the reality is biden needed to drop out yes that's just the that's just the reality yeah before because when i was trying to get people in earlier i tried to get progressives governors etc then we had enough time for them to meet the filing deadlines now we since we don't anymore we gotta knock biden out and so how do we knock Biden out? We wound his ego, okay? Because it's all about ego. He's a narcissist. You guys know that in Washington, two terms is considered a legendary president and one term is considered a loser. So that's what's in Biden's head. I don't want to be a one-term president. I don't care how old I am. I don't care how low a chance I have of winning. I have to be a two-term president. Why?

Ego. So if ego is your main goal, then we're going to hurt your ego, okay? I bought selfishjoebiden.com. Like, I'm going to hurt you. Guys, I bought woundedantelope.com, okay? Because this brother is a wounded antelope. That's what he is. And he's trying to like, oh, I got this.

I got this. No, you don't. No, you don't. So let me tell you this because this is the most important thing. Well, first of all, what do you do to wounded antelopes when they're wounded? Do you put them down? Look, politically. Politically.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, that's what you do. And sorry. Like, it's an act of mercy. And think about it, guys. So if he loses, he goes from the guy who beat Trump and a hero who saved the country and was a transition president and built a bridge to the future. Like, if he retires now, we build statues of him. He beat Trump. He beat Trump.

Okay, you're good, brother. All my policy disagreements with you, bygones be bygones. Okay? But if he loses to Trump He goes down to the person who killed democracy. He goes down as the guy who cost us democracy because he was an egomaniac That's just a fact. It doesn't matter if I say it every historian will write down. Joe Biden was a narcissist egomaniac who said at 81 even though 77% of americans thought he might die on the job over about 70 percent of democrats his own party didn't want him to run he's like no my ego is more

important than democracy than the government than the than the country than my own voters history is going to judge him as one of the greatest villains in american history and uh damn i did only have one more question, but now I'm thinking about, so Vice President Harris has no shot. It's a complete watch for her, huh? No, look, she could, like, what are they going to do?

Keep her out of the primary? No, of course not. She'd be in the primary, right? And so the primary is to pick the strongest candidate, right? So like if I was a governor somewhere right now, I'd probably be up 40 points, right? Because everybody's like, well, that brother's strong, right?

Like he seems like he means it because I do mean it, right? But okay, fine. So Kamala Harris comes in. I'm not a governor, right? And so Kamala Harris comes in. If she beats Newsom and Whitmer, et cetera, then great. That means she's the strongest candidate. Let's go with Kamala Harris.

If I'm Kamala Harris, I'd be like, come for me. Okay. Come for me. Let's do this. Let's let's because she's got a chance to be president. She has the best chance to be president. She's the vice president of the United States. I mean, I would welcome it if I was her, right? But she's worried because she doesn't like to run. And, and so if you don't like to run, well, then we can't have you run against Trump. But prove me wrong. I'd be super happy if she proved me wrong. Final question. Obama got a lot of heat from just his middle name being Hussein.

Do you think America is ready for a fully Muslim American to be nominated and win? Yeah, definitely. Okay, so everybody knew his middle name was Hussein, right? And because the Republicans would go, oh, Barack Hussein, Obama and stuff. Did you know that after inauguration in his first term, he was at 83% approval? 83%. So that is the overwhelming majority of Americans, including the overwhelming majority of white Republicans. Okay. I'm sorry. White folks, Republicans, et cetera, saying, yeah, that Barack Hussein Obama is my guy. Okay, I approve. So it's not, people misunderstand. Yeah, is there racism?

Of course. Is there sexism? Of course. Right? Did it hurt Hillary Clinton? It did, right? But people can get past anything as long as they think you're going to deliver for them. At that time, everybody had so much hope because Obama put hope on the blackards, right?

And Bush was such a disaster and Cheney was such a disaster. And people want to change so badly. And remember, the bankers screwed us and we were in the middle of a collapse because of how terrible the corrupt system was. So they're like, Barack Hussein, Obama, I don't give a damn as long as this guy is going to represent me and get me change. And so I go on Republican shows, and you see how much smack I talk about Trump. But they walk out going, I respect the guy because it's obvious that he doesn't want the corruption. He hates this corrupt system, and it's obvious that he's going to try to deliver for us. Like when you go to get higher wages, if you're a Democrat, you don't go, oh, but not to Republicans. No, you give it to everybody. Right. And you, when you try

to lower drug prices and you got a white Republican family in Missouri or anywhere going, well, I don't like that he's Muslim. I don't know much about Muslims, but I hear they're this and that. Right. But he's going to lower my drug prices and I believe him. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go for it. Well, how can people support you? Alright, so the website is jankforamerica.com. Jank is tough spelling. It's C-E-N-K. It's a Turkish name. The C is pronounced like a J.

Okay, jankforamerica.com. But don't worry because Bidenisgonnalose.com is easy to remember. Goes to the same place. Woundedantelope.com. Woundedantelope.com.oundedantelope.com Selfishjoebiden.com Okay, that's all. I'll get you to the right place. Jesus.

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