The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Chris Patrick On Therapy Through Music, Hunger, Honesty, Mafiathon Freestyle + More

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Chris Patrick On Therapy Through Music, Hunger, Honesty, Mafiathon Freestyle. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Breakfast Club. If you're all finished or y'all are you done? Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. Chalameen, the God, Lauren LaRosa, Jess Hilaris, DJ Envy. But Jess and Envy on here today. And I'm mad because, you know, there's a guy that we have here right now, man. He goes by the name of Chris Patrick. Salute to Chris Patrick.

What's good, what's good. How are you? I'm mad because Naila Simone put me on to your music and she's not even goddamn here. I know. I just saw her yesterday. It's my daughter. What?

Yeah. You saw her yesterday and she couldn't be here this morning? Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy. You got a new EP, pray for me coming out on 1212. And you've been described, like, I've heard you describe yourself as coming from a place of hunger and self-belief. What was the exact moment you realized music wasn't just something you loved,

but something you had to do? if I'm gonna be honest I think back when I was in college I had entered like a competition ended up winning it had a chance to open for like Travis so like I feel like after that moment that was the moment where I decided like yo this is what I'm gonna do I I ain't know how I was gonna do it but I just was kind of like this is what it is Travis Scott okay you're like Travis yeah Travis Scott yeah my fault what was that so leading up to that moment when you're about to open up for him what's the self-talk that you're going through because you do a lot of self-talk on this project yeah I do self-talk you're going through

new artists opening up for Travis Scott global artist. I mean back then because I was in college when that happened. Right. I always was just telling myself like, bro, this is crazy. But I just got to lock in and do it. I ain't about to just like go up there and look crazy. That's what I'm about telling myself. I don't want to go anywhere and look crazy. So I just got to go the hardest I could go.

And the title is pray for me. Yeah. What happened? What sins did you commit? Nah, no sense. I ain't do that. Come on, man. We all commit friends. I mean, 100%, but it ain't got nothing to do in regards to that. Honestly, the title comes from back when I was in college, my grandma, she used to send me scriptures like every day. and she used to pray for me.

She ended up passing back in like 2022. Condolosa. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. And, you know, that definitely rocked me. But I feel like when I went in to that Kass and not Mafia thine, that was the first time in a very long time. I started to see, like, so many people all over the world I ain't ever even spoke to,

just hitting me like, braying for your success. Like, I hope you win. I hope you get this. And that just felt like a very humbling moment. It kind of reminded me a lot of like, you know, my grandma. So that's where I kind of, like, dedicated that prodig name to. That first song is talking directly about her prayers? So the song, SARS Prayer, that's actually my mom.

man's from Chicago. He actually prayed for me at the crib when I lived in L.A. Well, I still live in L.A. But I was living at this one spot and he prayed for me before I left the crib. Okay.

Yeah. And then you mentioned the Kaisanat moment in that song as well where you were like, we were a little nervous. It was a lot of pressure. Like you didn't even want to go do it

at one point. Yeah, I was definitely nervous because I was in a space where I just, I didn't know what was next for me. I feel like I was just sitting in a waiting space not really knowing what was going to be next. And when my man's gay,

I was just like, hey, bro, I'm going to show up for you to the best of my ability, that's my man. So I said, look, I'm going here and kill this for you. Yeah, salute the gay, for real. What was going on, though? Like, what was going through your mind?

Whenever I hear your music, I do hear this passion. I do hear you expressing your feelings. What was going on in that particular day, though? Like, leading up to Mike Mafia on that day? Yeah, like, because that was pure emotion. You know, I feel like I just, I've been making music for a long time, and I kind of was in this in-between space

and not knowing whether I was going to continue or not, and they were picking a little part-time job and shit, I'm just getting, like, into the groove of that. Still working on music and stuff like that, but I just more so was thinking to myself, like, if this was the plan all along, God telling me I got to just do this, I'm going to do that. I'm not going to, like, not trust the timing. So I kind of went into that whole Mafiathon with the idea that if this is my last

attempt to show the world, like, I'm here, I'm going to just do that. So it really didn't mean a lot to me to go up there and get crazy like that. Did expressing your feelings through music coming to you naturally, or was that, like, a learned behavior? Naturally, naturally. me. I was never good at therapy. I just felt like it was way easy to write and make music about stuff like that. And I never really did it for anybody else but myself. But as I see more people resonate with it, I realize how important my story is to just people I don't even know. Now, I'm a big proponent of therapy. So I wanted to like, why didn't therapy resonate with you? I feel like I'm too self-aware sometimes. Like, I be in there talking. And I'm like, yeah, this is something I already realized by myself. I need to go work on that. But I feel like if I'm going to be real with you, if I'm diving a little bit deeper, I think there is sometimes a, barrier for me to actually speak about my issues. It's way easy to write about them

and making it song versus actually just sitting there with a person one-on-one, talking about everything, piece by piece. I think that's the beauty of therapy, right? Because you, I always say, like,

for whatever questions you have, the answers are there. Yeah. It's just sometimes we don't want to hear the actual Lancaster. And I think sometimes when you're sitting there settled and you're just talking,

and you're like, damn, I know what I know what you do? You know what I mean? But you don't, for whatever reason, it just works in that setting. I don't know why. I'm not going to say it just works in that setting, but it comes out in that setting.

Yeah, no, definitely. And I actually have considered, like, probably just trying to start up again, like, next year. Like, I really want to try to challenge myself. That's what's something I'm super big on, just trying to challenge myself to be better every day. What would you do differently than when you go back to therapy where you're like, because you're always going to feel like yourself aware? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I think I just got better at listening.

You know what I'm saying? I think sometimes I like to talk and. Needed to hear that. I feel like I'm good with X, Y, and Z, but I feel like for a very long time, I struggled with, like, listening. So I feel like when I go back this time, I'm around. Obviously, I'm going on, but I'm more so receptive to what whoever is talking to me, got to say. Is that a career thing? Like, in your career as you're growing, have you had to

learn, okay, if I listened, whatever? Like, how did you arrive at that? I'm going to just listen point. It really started with my dad, for real. In the process of, like, me getting a part-time drive leading up to the Mafia thine thing. I'm talking to him every day. And we just really speaking on the whole career up to this point, and he was just kind of instilling in me, like, obviously you don't know what the future is, but you got to be patient. And I, feel like with patience comes listening because a lot of times when you're in the waiting period you really got to just listen to everything listen to the world listening to what god talking about listen to everything around you like you got to just be receptive to all of that so I feel like by

developing a you know a better better means of being patient I was able to listen better for real and I definitely think it helping my career how do you um because I keep mentioning I'm hearing you mention the part-time job right but then you're headed to mafia thong like the craziness of that um I respect it I do too I mean I've been there yeah you know what I'm gonna chase your dreams and deal with your reality. My question was going to be, how do you keep your faith or talk about what you went through

with your faith while dealing with your real life but still chasing your dream? Because that is, everybody can't get through that. That's like the major key if you can figure that out. Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to be honest.

I really don't have a real answer. I just feel like there was something in me, especially when that call came because at the time, right, I'm already in the job for about two months. I'm getting my feet wet. I'm cooling. Like, I'm having a good time at the job.

You know what I'm saying? when Gabe called me something in me was just like bro just do this do this all the way I'm talking about I'm going to the job I'm rehearsing writing on my free time I had a two hour drive like down and back so like I'm thinking of stuff

as I'm driving back I'm rehearsing and reciting every single day I just told myself like if this is my last chance I'm going to do this I just got to do it the best to my ability I didn't expect none of this stuff to happen after but I was just like hey I know I'm really good when it comes to just performing and these freestyles, the best I could do

is just go out there and put on the best show because I can't be mad at that. If I do my best and nothing come from it, I can't be mad because at least I killed it. So school me,

were you signed the Def Jam before my deal-in? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Because I just thought you were signing a Def Jam, I didn't even know because you said that you was Def Jam's golden child

so I thought- In my dogs. Okay, yeah. Why do you feel like that? What, with Def Jam? Yeah. You know, Def Jam has been a cultural hub but just hip hop in general. Like, I grew up on that.

And I feel like what I bring to the table when I come to Def Jam is that new life. It just feel like re-invigoration just for hip-hop. You know, Tundry, my dog. You're basically like family. And for him to even just want to do this when he means the world. You know what I'm saying?

Like, again, I grew up on this. My uncle literally put me on every Def Jam artist. So to be a part of a label like that, now it just feels like a full circle moment for all of us. And you're from Jersey. Yeah. East Orange, to be exact. I don't know why Jersey don't come up in more hip-hop conversations.

But honestly. How did East Orange, New Jersey, shaped the way you rap and think. think and just move through the world. All right, so again, like my uncle, he put me onto a lot of rap, but my dad and my mom, they was big on like R&B, so a lot of Mary J. Blige was getting played in the crib. That was like every damn day. I love Mary.

Let me see. Earthwind the fire, huge, heavy influence in terms of just like the musicality and stuff like that. But I feel like Jersey has always been a melting pot. There's never been like a specific sound that comes out of the place. It's just like a melting pot of so many different things. And the beauty of that is that it allows I feel like for me

there's a lot of versus studio that lives in my music but it also allows us over the next decade or at least the second half of this decade to start finding that identity because I feel like there are so many amazing people that's coming up right now

like you've got the plat boy Max's uh you know Albi Al back out you know Sue surf on the way from Jersey? Yeah, West Orange I do not know that yeah he's amazing

crazy. It's crazy because you never you just think the scream was it from the internet you never think of what you're from you know what I don't think of what I'm saying scissors you feel me A lot of demons out there.

Carrey Irvin, there's a lot of people from Jersey, and I just hope that within the second half of the decade, we can start seeing, like, a lot more these people get together and unite because for a very long time, we've really never had a strong identity in terms of that space. Yeah, the last rapper that came from Jersey that I can remember is Fetty. Yeah, for real. And I'm sure there's been other people,

but I feel like we go under the radar so damn much. Even getting on Mafiathon and, like, screaming from the rooftop, like, that should mean a lot to me. Because, like, that's where I'm from. I mean, Jersey got, you got, you know, naughty by nature. You got Queen Latifah for us. My side is Winnie Hilton, you know, like it's a musical Red Man,

like musical legends in Jersey. Absolutely. Queen Latifah don't play about Jersey either. She gives you a whole rundown about what you need to go do in Jersey every time you hear her talk. Swear to God. I love that too. What you said, we were talking about that,

you and Queen Latifah? No, no, no, no, my mom's. I'm like, I'm talking about Juan. I'm like, you casually just. No, no, no, no, no, no. Me and my moms, but absolutely, I love that she'd do that. Did any of them inspire you, growing up? Honestly, I would feel like it really happened a little bit more toward the high school

because when I was. growing up, I was kind of just like a sports guy. I didn't really get into music crazy until I, like, middle school, high school. And that's when I started getting on to everything. I wouldn't say anything specifically, but as I get older, now I'm always trying to draw from anything I'm listening to Jersey, just to pay homage for it. When you did the Kaisanax string, there was a lot of people that, like, came out and, like, co-signed you, right?

After that, it was, like, crazy viral. Yeah, what was most surprising for you? I saw Nas. Yeah, Nause was nuts. Shout out Jordan Rose for that. Russell. Russell Wilson was crazy. I woke up at 6 in the morning

and seen Russell Wilson talking about something Hey, bro, this is hard So you're a sports guy I can tell you. I am. You just brush past Nause, man. Russell Wilson is crazy.

Like, nah, like, nah, it's crazy. Like, a lot of people see the Nause thing and, like, I'm not going to try to play. Like, Nause is, like, legend. That's one of my heroes. But, like, Russ Wilson, that's kind of nuts too. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, they're two different realms

in terms of, like, what you was really basing on. But, like, the Nause and Russell Wilson was definitely the craziest ever. Can you talk about, like, just from, so you do the stream is viral. People connected with it because it was so emotional about your grandmother there, right? After that, like, what opportunities open up for you? I know you got the tour with Jid.

Yeah. Wow, wow. That question always be like, so many things have happened in the period of time since then. It's kind of hard to always remember, but the Jid tour was definitely one of the biggest ones. Super appreciative to, obviously, Jid, Barry and Zeeke, to my dogs, taking me through the Midwest. I never been, I never actually toured through the States like that before. So that was really, like, super, super cool. I met a lot of amazing people.

I got so many producer packs. Wait, so the J-D tour happened. I thought that you already had that in the works, and then he shouted you out, and then after Matthew-A-thon and announced it. Nah. He hit you because of the freestyle. Yo, I got the call eight days before.

I'm not even joking, and I just suited up and just did what it did. I told my job, I said, look, I ain't going to lie to y'all. This is crazy as hell, but, like, I got to go. And it was like, yeah, for sure. I still have my job when I was on tour. And I was coming back, and I was actually going to go back to the job. But then other craziness happened. I just told them, like, hey, I don't think it's fair to y'all that I do this.

take step back. What kind of job? It was a music installation company, yeah. Like we used to go and install like radio systems? No, we used to install South systems like churches and stuff like that. Yeah, so I was out in LA doing it. Dope. Yeah, it was fine. So is that a trade you got to learn? No, I feel

like just over the time of everything I've been doing in this, I just was learning, damn it. Everything, like everywhere I go, I try to learn as much as I can. We tour with Russ, like, back in 2024, so, like, I was with his team a lot. I'm just learning everything as I'm going. So from there, I'm picking up tips. And I actually use that in my interview. I'm not even a lot. That's what got me the job for real. Being an artist and having had a lot of this experience

on the road and stuff like that. What personal battles do you think your listeners hear the most clearly in your music? I feel like for me it's just confidence. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it's like all of us. You know what I'm saying? We wake up every day trying to just be the best version of ourselves

and it's very hard to do that sometimes when there's so much noise. Like I could imagine which y'all go through, assholes being on this, everything's literally under a spotlight. I thought you said assholes. No, no, no, no, no. I'm an asshole. No, no, I only think that's really... I wasn't even going to dispute you. I'm like, yeah, can you laugh?

As host. I heard it as host. You know, assholes, you know, but he's an asshole, right? Of course, yeah. But, you know, as host, like, y'all are under a spotlight. I can only imagine scrutiny that y'all go through. And I feel like y'all got it harder than the regular average person, but the average person still goes through that, too.

So I feel like every day is a challenge of, like, putting your pants on and telling yourself, I'm that niggott. Like, I got to get up and do this for me. It's not about proving it's to the world, but more so affirming in yourself that you are the person you think you are. Especially nowadays when we live in an era where every single day of your life you can go on your phone

and there's somebody trying to tell you that you ain't shit. Hell yeah. I don't even know you, bro. There's no picture on your own thing. I can't even say your name on this Twitter or this Instagram app and you telling me we've never met before that what I'm doing is shit

and it's like, bro, I didn't ask for that. And a lot of it too, I always think about this is like if people were, if people had the opportunity to do what you were doing, they probably couldn't push it to the finish line in the way that you do every day.

bro there's like probably one percent of people if they put your shoes on right now they would literally fold at the starting line yeah every single time like it's cool that's what i like most about your project though it felt like i was on a journey with you that would feels very familiar to you know just where i am in life right now of like you're talking yourself through like a very vulnerable moments of like i feel pressure of like your building it's built it's there people see it but the pressures and the you get to these levels where you're dealing with things that you didn't even know you're going to deal with and then it's like your new kid at school all over again you got to talk yourself through it all of the over again and it's it felt very familiar you summed that up amazingly literally first day at school yeah but it's like you do the first day at school so many times and you're like yo i just was here like but that's the beauty of life i feel like if we are going through a year and we don't feel like the first day something wrong yeah we should be feeling like we have to restart and move our way up that you know that tower genuinely you know other artists reminds me that j cole i get not first day at school all the time from him but like he does a lot of like reflective like rap a bit like every time cold pop out I'd always feel like a new version of Cole,

which I do really appreciate a lot from him because I feel like we don't see that much in, especially like black artists. Like, it's already, I have this theory in my mind that we really don't see what happens to black people like after 30s. I feel like what's perpetuated is the 20s? But like, what happens as you get older?

What does it look like? What does it look like raising a family? And I feel like when I listen to Cole a lot of times, it's cool to see what that inside looks like, especially as I get older as a black man, trying to figure it out too, you feel me? What you're speaking to is, you know, and you're absolutely right.

For a long time hip hop had a glass ceiling. that you look up and you think you can go higher, but you eventually hit your head. And it's because a lot of people, artists, media personality, they were afraid to grow and evolve. They experienced a lot of success being one way. And then, you know, the cultural cachet was in the street for a long time. People were really afraid to be themselves.

So now you've got a whole generation that's got a lot more emotional intelligence. They're doing the work on themselves. So they're going to therapy and stuff like that. They're loving on their wives and their girlfriends to being committed to one woman and, you know, having these beautiful families. Like, yeah, you're right. Like, to me, I think that in the future,

Mr. Morrill and the Big Stepper and JZ-4-4-4-4 are going to go down as two of the most important hip-hop albums of them. Yeah, no, I know. Like, I feel like you really summed it up too there. It's like, you know, you see these Disney movies. It's always like happily ever after, but like the what come after.

You write that Mr. Moran at 4-4-4-4, it really is the part that come after the happily ever part. Like, that's the after, genuinely. You also, I'll talk about on the project, Screaming at the Sky. You mentioned you hate church, but you tune in on Sundays because you want to feel close to your grandmother. Yeah, absolutely. What, why was church?

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You're going to push that line for the calls. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way.

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And I feel like when I was growing up, especially as a, you know, black kid, you go into some of these churches. I went to some of the white church and my mama. I'm like, look, it's cool, but I don't know if this really hit for me and for very long time. I kind of didn't really want to be a part of it. But again, I, with everything that's been happening in, forming my own relationship. And that's real, though. I really did tune in to, like, just feel that connection. Because the only person was doing that at the time my life was my grandma. Funny enough, my job worked in churches at the same time, too. So for, like, smooth two and a half months, I'm just locked there, like, going through it. And they were,

the company, it was ran, it was Korean base. So I'm getting to see all this stuff from way different angles. Like, I'm just open to the world, just trying to see everything. But everybody's relationship is they on. Did your grandmother visit you? I do believe that. I feel like I'm not even joking too like even in that open line I was like I stopped smoking because I feel like for a very long time I used to have dreams and I really appreciate you asking that first first of the most because nobody ever asked me at before but I used to have dreams and for a while I didn't have them dreams with my grandma on them and I wouldn't say I had one recently but I feel like that Kassanat Mafia moment just felt too divine right it didn't feel real like my mama it's my mama mama so my mama call me and was like

yo don't take this the wrong way but I definitely feel like my mama heard that and that was all I needed I feel like everything that's been happening like even this moment we in right now this don't even feel real like happy to be here obviously grateful that y'all having me but again I'm not like I'm too self-aware like this shit is like Devon Thomas no I ask because that my mother's mother my big mama she visited me twice wow in a dream that's why I always ask that because it's one of those things it's like damn I want I wish that would happen again. I feel like the last time I really remember it. So my grandmother

passed in 2022. It was when I was living in Nashville, 23. I just one night had a random dream, and that was it. And it never happened again, but the closest I got to that was, like, Mafiathon, genuinely. Yeah. You know, your songs are like journal entries, right? What's the line between vulnerability and

oversharing for you? And how do you know what to keep to yourself? I'm big, I'm protecting my peace. I feel like, I do a good job expressing myself, but, like, niggas don't know my mom name. You feel me? That's important to me. Like, I want to keep certain things to me. I feel like as I embark on this journey, I realize that it's not just me stepping in as a rapper, but like, this is the entertainment business. Everything is entertainment. There are some things and some people that I would rather keep out of the light. I'm cool with living in that, but these people

ain't asked for that either. And I got to be responsible and cognizant of that as an artist. You know what I'm saying? Like, even as me and my mama figuring out this voicemail that we putting on there, I'm letting her know, like, hey, I want you here to hear this whole project before we put this out here because this is not only my story, you were part of this too. So, like if you're not cool with this we're not doing it but it's like you know it involves everybody again everybody know I got mom everybody I know I got dad I don't know they names but like that's the line I draw I got a brother don't even know my brother name like you know what I'm saying I'm being on that I talk about the homies a lot because we all together but like I try to keep that wall

to the best of its ability because I don't want to answer nobody life who can ask for it how is mom right now and all of this like kind of dealing with like your life changing and watching it change and she called me every day she called me every day I think that's the biggest thing for me there was a period it's how I'm and her wasn't talking every day. And I don't know, like, bad blood or anything like that. But I just wasn't in the right space of mind. I'm moving around and all this shit.

And I wasn't really thinking about that. But I feel like as this year has progressed, her, me, her, and my dad just get super close. I'm calling them every single day to talk to them. It's fired because I haven't been back in, like, 18 months. So I've been at the crib for, like, the last, like, week. So that's been fire. I've been hanging out with them, like, every day.

Like, those are my dogs. Like, I always try to make sure they're good. They always look it out for me. Even if it's just calling for five minutes of the day, they appreciate that. And I just try to make that a mission for anything that I'm doing moving forward. Even with my grandma, I don't think I did enough of that. So there's a super emphasis on that now to just be present in everybody's life as much as I can be. Because you never know.

Yeah, you never know. You take that shit for granted. Like, my grandma, so I started my last because my grandma, she had a friend who did my hair in COVID because we, you know, was in the crib and stuff like that. And he kept telling me too during the year that she passed, like, go go visit, go visit, go visit. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go eventually. Just never did. And eventually that, you know, that next time turns into it never again. And you've got to live with that.

So I just try to be as present as I can be with my parents more than never. You know, a lot of artists struggle with comparing their journey to others, right? Like, how do you keep your confidence and creativity intact in a culture that's constantly measuring you against everybody else? I just focus on Chris Patrick. I can't be anything else but Chris Patrick. Chris Patrick can't be cold. Chris Patrick can't be anybody else that any, like, Kendrick can't be anything else. me. And I feel like at the end of the day, as long as I'm working to be the best version of

myself, I'm always going to be the best when I show up. Granted, there's always going to be a competitive nature to the sport, which I'm very much aware of. And I'm willing to compete in that. But at the same time, I'm not killing myself in my head over this. As long as I show up and I'm elevating myself, I'm going to look up and eventually it's going to be nobody around. Just me. I, I text Gabe from on the radar and told him that we was going to be interviewing you and I asked him I said the first time you put him on the radar what made you like

so many artists and he says there was just a hunger in him that I don't see him in any artists a desire to make it and get it done by any means necessary he's really the one you getting some big nods I'm really happy for you nah thank you all that means a lot like especially gay man really good guy I'm appreciative that you even hit me I tell him all the time like you have no idea how much this means to me even

asking me to come and do this the second time I don't think he understands what his platform is doing for people I tell him that all the time. Like, yo, this platform is really changing people's lives, like, off of art. Yeah. If you get on there and you do what you're supposed to do, who knows what comes. Right. Like, literally.

I ain't know what's going to happen. What's something you were once afraid of that no longer scared you? Put myself out there. I don't fear that anymore. I feel like the more I put myself out there, not even on, not even on, like, I'm doing it for for the sake of anything. It's just, I feel like the more honest I am about myself and everything I'm going through. It just seems like the more people keep coming in.

I'm not even going to lie. We was on this jids who are doing that same man in the garden verse and just because I'm seeing people after the show. I'm talking about show get let out after the jazz show. You got 100, 200, 300 people waiting to just talk to me about how that verse really resonated with them and hit. And that's like, it means a lot. Because again, a couple months ago,

I'm sitting in my job typing on the computer writing up X, Y, and Z. I wasn't thinking about this, but a couple weeks past, every night selling out merch. Like, we had to re-up so many times on the tour because they just kept buying shit. And I'm like, well, this is crazy. So I feel like just being myself. And, you know, I think to become successful,

be willing to embarrass yourself and sometimes it don't even be embarrassing we just be in our heads a lot people really be needing the shit that's right like you know what's something you still working through trying to work life balance I suck I suck I'm gonna just be honest it's not real yeah you know I told my mama I said I feel like I'm a really good rapper but I got to be a better son I got to be a better brother I got be a better friend got to be a better cousin better uncle like that's what I'm trying to be and that's something I feel like I really got work at rapping it come naturally to me, but everything else is what I got to work on. And I'm cool with that. You know what I'm saying? I would rather have it that way than just

not knowing what I want to do. But it's, it's an uphill battle, but I'm willing to work at it. That's so interesting, man, because, you know, me and my wife, we always talk about how, like, no, there's no manual for parenting, right? Yeah. But you just, you just made me think about something, like, as a rapper, there's, like, you can do a Mafia thine freestyle and somebody be like, yo, you nice, you get the validation. And you don't get that as a father or a son or a husband, like, ain't nobody, you know? You feel me? No, like your wife might tell you every now and then you're a good husband, but that's about it.

Yeah, you don't even know if you're doing a good job. You don't know what you're working through or what you're working on is actually bringing you to where you go. You kind of just got to go with the flow. And that's just something I'm open to learning, just how to be a better person all together. Like, it's rap shit easy. As your star grows, is that pressure of trying to figure out all that other stuff, being a better son, brother, all those things.

Does that grow as well? Yeah, I think so. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I spent the first part of like starting his career putting so much pressure on the work that I was doing to the point where like I become so meticulous and detail to second nature. But I feel like now having to deal with this other side is so much more rewarding because I can see it in real time. Me writing verses every single day for two years in a row, you don't know what that turns into until you have your moment. But picking up the phone from my mama every day for the next two years, that's beautiful.

I'm not going to get that back. That's time I'm never going to be able to let there's no amount of money in the world. can make that time up if I don't take this moment to call my parents. Right. Like, I don't get that back. What do you feel

is missing from rap right now that you're intentionally trying to put back? Niggas need to care. There's too many people who are good, but they don't care enough and I feel like that's my problem.

Like, I can't, I know I'm personally talented. I wouldn't even say that like, I'm more talented than the next man. I just think I care more. And that's what I want to show people like, yo, this shit can be done. Like, we worked on this prayer

from me project two and a half weeks. That's care. I ain't never heard no shit like that. I ain't never seen people do nothing like that. You said two and a half weeks. Two and a half weeks, bro. For the moment, Mafiathon ended, bro, I literally locked in the next day.

I'm not playing. It's not a long time. It's not a long time, but you know. I thought you like, what? Yeah, bro, I'm a, I'm a crack head about this shit. Like, I really do this and I just want people to care. I want people to put the intensity in there. I remember somebody has seen one of my videos.

It was like, yo, you look really angry now. I'm like, bro, I just want to deliver the performance. I'm a really nice guy. Y'all see me. I'm a nice thing. I ain't coming here on no bullshit. I didn't know what you were going to be like in person because in your music, it is very, like, intense. You know, but you, like, super jolly.

I'll be flipping the switch. Like, I'm very, like, chill, very laid back. But when it comes to that, when it comes to that shit, oh, yeah, I'm a hooper. But, yeah, I just want people to care again. Like, I think we need to see more artists caring, showing their journey, showing themselves going hard because that's what made me a fan growing up. But, like, all the people that we love now, when I see, you know, Cole going to do that B-free joint he did on that late night show. It's like, whoa, that shit stuck with me forever. I ain't gonna lie

I really modeled a lot of my Mafia thorn around that shit It's like bro He went up there And made a moment That we wasn't expecting Fucking I'm gonna do the same You know what I'm saying

So I just want people to care again Do you ever I mean it's interesting right Because like people love you Because you're honest You love you because your emotion Your expression Relatability

Do you ever feel pressure To like I guess always show up Is that strong Self-aware version of yourself That people are going to expect Because you're going to have bad days Yeah for sure

I mean It's my best friend my name miss he i know he see it all he know how uh i get i feel like it's about having pockets like there be days where i do be down and like he'll see that but maybe not everybody else and that's cool like that's my man's for life we just talk about things we move from it and we go through it but i try not to show too much of that because i've started to realize that i also have a responsibility there are people in the world who be like bray if i could show y'all some of the messages i've received after this it'll make you cry like it's really crazy how people look at me

and I'm not going to be foolish to act like I don't got a responsibility. Granted, there's no pressure on me to feel like I got to be somebody's savior, but I don't have any problem to be in the beacon if somebody need that to get through their days. I'm cool with that. And don't let people think that you perfect.

Yeah, at all. At all, I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It might see you with some liquor. They might see you smoking with the ladies. You feel me? With the ladies, you know what I mean? But I feel like that's the beauty of life, though.

For a very long time, we've been watching everything through like a perfect picture. But like, you got to see how the artist got there. Like, it takes so much. for us to show up every day. I'm sure it took a lot for y'all to show up today. I don't know what y'all's going through. But it's like, y'all, you know, showing up at your best sales.

But people have to realize it's so much more than that. It's so much more than that. And I don't have a problem showing that. Like, it's okay to be yourself. Cool. For real. What's the biggest misconception people have about Chris Patrick, the person versus Chris Patrick, the artist?

Biggest misconception. That I'm, like, very chill and perfect as a person. I feel like as I meet more people, they start to realize oh he's just like us like absolutely man like I grew up in Easterns New Jersey I was with the homies just like

damn near everybody else I feel like if there's any misconception I just want people to know like I'm a person I feel like for a very long time just like streamers I feel like for a very long time I existed on the internet

and this is like the year where everybody started to see it in real style like this is a real like this is a real person not just some nigga that you're seeing on one of them pages on Twitter or some shit like this is a real deal person

and I feel like as I continue to meet more people I think the feedback is oh yeah you just like us and it's just you know I've been here but that raw emotion man people can feel that I remember sitting at the house and you know we was listening to Ruben Vincent album it was me and I love Michael plus now yeah I put me on all these people that's my brother both of them Ruben and Marco they're my brothers for real very talented people and she was like if you like Rubin and Marco you're gonna like this guy Chris Patrick

and she played she just started playing I was like who was Chris Patrick and then I was like oh that was the dude from the Mafia thorn pre-style and then she just started playing me music and I was just like oh I feel what I feel what he's doing hey I appreciate that appreciate I'm glad to found you know found a way into your home to bump that for real what's a what's a piece of advice you'd give to someone fighting through the same doubts that you once had uh show up every day um there's nothing you could do like there's nothing more you can do but just show up there's going to be days where it's not like I'm not going to lie I don't even think it's a perfect situation a perfect situation is always now you can make the situation

perfect there are going to be times where you show up to something and it's not going the way it's supposed to go, but if you control what you have to do and you prepare the way you have to prepare, it could become the greatest situation of your life. Like, nobody knows what I was going into, going through before the mafia town, but I showed up and did my best

and it became a perfect situation. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that's something that everybody has to do. Consistently, just wake up every day and do your thing. As long as you do that, you're good. And I feel like if you operate under the guys

that there is no reward, you're doing it for you, you're going to be rewarded every single day for that. Something is crazy is going to come your way, and it's going to be like, damn, I didn't even expect it. but it's because you work for it, unknowingly. Oh, I know why I bought that up.

I bought that up because it felt like, it feels like it's a new, a new class. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we always have that in hip hop. And that's why, you know, people still sleep on double X-Ell, but I like when they do that freshman class thing, but it feels like y'all are a part of a class.

Do you feel that? Absolutely. Like, let's be real. When the last time you've seen a, like, at least within this space of hip-hop, when's the last time you really seen a class of people? Like, these many people going up. That you can identify together.

Yeah, that you got identified together. It's been a while. When it was the Kendricks and the Coles and the Drakes and the Walais and, you know, I don't even know if that's the same area. I feel like Waleigh and Cuddy then might have been like a class before. We could group them all up in there. They all together in my mind because I feel like everybody had impact at that time, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, you're right. We haven't seen that.

Like, I feel like individuals, you might have seen pop in and out, but we've never seen this many people at least be all cohesive and on the same page to do this. And actually care about the culture. And actually want to rap for real. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to lie. I was crafting my projects with, like, the Rubens, the Marcos, Ben Raleys, Swabies, like Jordan Bells, like, every day. Like, we was broke together.

We was writing these projects together. We was literally, like, putting all this shit together, bouncing off ideas. We playing each other projects. We like, oh, yeah, we fuck with this. We don't fuck with this. Hey, bro, work on this. Like, we always crafting this shit together. And then you start to see that expand us.

We start to meet more people and shit like that. Like, we really all coming up together in this shit the same way they was. So I'm just glad that everybody else could see it. because for a very long time, we just felt like it was us in this little bubble and nobody realized, and then you start seeing one person get it, then another person get it,

then the third person getting it, and everybody's talking about everybody. So it's good that y'all can identify that the same way we've always been talking about for the last year and a half. I feel like y'all have the, so it's the internet, but y'all know what to do with it. Like, when you mentioned Rubin,

I think about, like, all of his visuals and, like, you know what I mean? Like, when I met him, I didn't know who he was, but then when I followed him, I'm like, oh, like, and then I'm hearing your music and, Marco Plus and, like, all these people, y'all know how there's like a middle point that y'all have figured out where it's internet but it's substance and its work and business built around at the same time

people can't like juggle that all yeah and that's like itself is like a oh like it makes you want to like tap in like all right what's next one thing we always study is like you know obviously like the cold drake kendry it's like one thing that they always did was be impactful and regardless of what the internet is talking about as long as you hit that wave and you impactful there is cool but you also got to go touch the people that's more than anything you've got to touch the people like this internet shit is only as real as we let it be, but what's real is showing up to a spot and there's 2,500 people there. You ain't never met them in Daniel life, but 300 don't want to talk to you after the show.

They want to buy your shit. That's real impact. Right. So as long as we can get out there, I mean, obviously digitally be killing it. But like, if you can go out there and touch the people in person, you're good. And you look at your future, you know, musically, personally, and most importantly, spiritually. Yeah. What would success look like to you if you took the charts out, the awards, screaming numbers?

If you took all that out of the equation, what would success look like to you? Um, shit, move my, move my parents out of Jersey to, like, Texas, they'd be wanting to move down south for, like, Georgia, they'd be wanting to move down south for a very long time. And that's really where, like, my mind is. I swear to God, I'm not even trying to lie, but, like, when I had my part-time drive, I kind of accept that, like, if this is where my journey ends, and it's cool, like, it's just what it is, that's the way it goes. So I feel like what's happening right now is the bonus round for me.

If I go to charts and all that other shit, like, if I could make sure my parents is good, like, that would mean the world because when I quit on myself, they never did. So, like, I'm here for that. I had that same moment right before I got a job that, like, changed my... I was like, yo, if it's over right here, I'm cool. Like, I did... And then everything just, like, switch. It was like, it's so weird.

It's so weird how that happens. I feel like there's a law of detachment there. The less you seek the outcome, the more likely it is for you to come. I feel like people who... Granted, I do believe that you have to lock in for the work you're doing, but it's not for the sake of the outcome. It's for the sake of the work. But when you're so focused on the result,

a lot times you miss the mark. Like, you can't be so hyper-focused on that. You got to do all the intangible that people can't see. Like, they don't know if you're waking up at 5 in the morning to get right. They don't know if you're writing every day. They don't know if you're trying to work on X, Y, and Z. That's the type of stuff that's going to bring you to where you got to get to. But, you know, I feel you.

Congratulations, too. Also, I think that's an amazing thing that you just shared with me because people don't be talking about shit like that. You all going to do the same shit. You said something else that's very important, too. You said, you know, your last job, if that was it for you, you were happy with that. Yeah. And I truly believe that, you know, God isn't going to bless you with more unless you appreciate what you have.

Yeah. And, you know, the fact that you had something that you appreciate and you're like, all right, God, it's cool. I'm cool with this. That's why you receiving more blessings now. No lie. And that's why I'm trying to go hard too, because it's like, I feel like in the past I'm out of fun with my opportunity, whether it being like, I'm blinded, focus on the result, you know what I'm saying?

Doing shit I shouldn't be doing. If this is my opportunity to really get it crazy, I'm not about to waste this. I'm ought to go dumb hard because really, I'm on a mission. I get it done. Listen, man, Chris Patrick. Pray for me is out December. 12th. That's tomorrow. Yeah.

Today. Today. Today. Today. We here. God damn. Chris Patrick, pray for me, is out right now, man. Good meeting you, brother. No, likewise. I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Absolutely. It's the Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up. Earl, in the morning.

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