The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Clipse Talk New Album, Def Jam Split, Travis Scott Beef, Cousinz Fest, Kdot, Ye, Leaks + More

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

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What's the origins of the name for people who don't know? So that came from Full Eclipse. I came up with it and at the time Fat Joe had the Full Eclipse crew. So we just shortened it to Clips. Okay. Now I wanna go back, right? Because you guys have been here a long time.

Yeah. For a long time. So I wanna start from the history. Of course I know you guys for a long, long, long, long time. So what got you into rapping and to form the group, the clips for people that don't know? Always been a fan of hip hop like anybody else. You know, my older brother was into the whole cardboard box, breakdancing, boom box, rapping

when you had to push play and record and rap directly into the box. Absolutely. And yeah man, just coming up under that. And we went to Chad's house one time and Pusha, he wrote his first rap and Pharrell was like, y'all should be a group. His first rap was incredible, but before that it was just me rapping over there. Now when y'all first met Chad and Pharrell, right? Yep.

Y'all are totally opposite. So how did y'all even meet and even learn each other? Because growing up in Norfolk in Virginia, it's totally two different sides. So what made y'all even say, you know what, let's connect with these guys who were wearing tight shirts at the time and tight pants, they looked like skateboarders,

they looked nothing like y'all at the time. They might have been serving them. No, they were serving them. So what made y'all say, you know what, let's link with them and start this whole rapping? Actually, so I was a DJ, DJ Alex in Virginia Beach lived down the street from me. And we went out and we rented a drum machine and we got the drum machine but we couldn't

work it. And you know, we had to turn it back in soon, we had paid for it, but you know, we was gonna have to turn it back in before we even had a chance to use it. And he was like, you know, let's take it to my homie's house and we went over there and it happened to be Chad and he knew how to work it and you know, that's just stuff that we was doing before Clips. Mm-hmm, and that's where it started.

Yeah. So when did y'all take it serious? When did you say, you know what, this rap thing is something I'ma take serious, I'ma get off the street to say this is what it is? I'd have to say that was in meeting Pharrell. In meeting Pharrell and, you know, it was Pharrell, it was the Teddy Riley coming to Virginia.

You know, we began to see that it was a real thing, that music was actually attainable in arm's reach. I mean, we seeing the cars, we seeing the Ferraris, we seeing Michael Jackson in Virginia Beach. We're seeing MCs, Hov, everybody was coming down. And then at the same time, we had Timbaland and Missy, they was doing their thing. They had left home and went to Jersey

and was working with Jodeci, but these are all our childhood, you know, high school, school friends. So we got to see it from a lot of different angles that, you know, music was possible. Why Virginia don't get the, like, the credit for being a hip hop hotbed, or just a black music hotbed?

Not just music. You remember Allen Iverson from that area, Michael Vicks from that area, it's so much in that area that people forget about. Absolutely, I'm just focusing on the music because you got regions and states that get that love, but y'all don't seem to. Well I think it's because, I think a lot of people have, everybody who's made it in Virginia

actually had to leave Virginia to make it. I don't think any one particular artist of any of us, none of us broke in Virginia. So we always broke, like Clips broke in Philly. You know, everybody broke somewhere else. So I think... And Clips Broken Philly, I never heard that one. Oh no, yeah. Definitely.

Clips Broken Philly, man. Really? Shout out Cosmic Kev. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Clips Broken Philly. I didn't know, what record was it, The Funeral or? Grinded. Grinded, okay, gotcha. Yeah, Grinded Broken Philly. Now do you remember when Pharrell gave you that beat for Grinded, I remember the first time I heard it,

it was confusing. Yeah. It was confusing, I was confused. So when he first gave it, how did you know that was the record? You probably got the CD that I was handing out. Yes, I did. Yeah, I believe you did. You know, when we heard it first, we was like, you know,

we were, it kind of took us back because you got to think at that time Pharrell was singing on every hook, it was, whether it was Mr. Cool or whoever. So this is our first joint and he's like, yo, this the one. And we like, we want you singing. Sing, you better tap or do something. And he was like, nah, I'm telling you, this is the future. This is what it is.

And he was right. And it was confusing, because we actually wrote to it twice. Three times. I think I got three joints on that joint. I still can't blend it to this day, because I don't know where the beat and the snare go at the same time.

Wow. To actually blend on it. You just gotta go. That's crazy. That's crazy for you to say that. To this day. I mean, he's not the greatest DJ. Y'all know that.

Envy, Envy, up there. Envy, up there. I just, he's not the greatest DJ. Y'all know that. And me up there. And me up there. I just love Vegas with him. He rocking that. Yo. He was smoking that shit. Thanks, thanks, man. On the album, Alice, you said you've

been both Mace and Bethus. Yeah, man. For people who don't know what that line means, expound on it. Yeah, I just feel like I understood and walked a similar path like Mace, you know, to be in this industry and then to have a real live revelation of God and who he is, you know, and then have to navigate your way. As far as navigating, not so much because I knew that I had to chill, take a step back.

And I also want to give you y'all flowers too because y'all were still messing with me during that time you let me come in here and promote the documentary and my solo projects and everything. So yeah, I appreciate that. But yeah, I feel like I understand seeing a lot of the same things that Mase seen. I bought that up because you know that's- They actually called me Mase in the club. We was in a club in DC and they was like, we got Pusha T and Mase in here.

And I was like, dang it. What the fuck? Damn. What? Yeah. But you ain't been around for a while though. No, I'm cool with it all. Yeah, I'm cool with it all.

I mean, that's why I bought it up because that's what ultimately caused the clips to, you'm cool with it all, yeah. I'm cool with it all. I mean, that's why I brought it up, because that's what ultimately caused the clips to end for that fifth, last 15 years. That's right. Yeah. So what got you back? What was the call that said, I want to do this again?

There were a few baby steps. I'm going to say, going out to Wyoming and working on Use This Gospel with Ye Ye with my brother. I always knew that we could do it but I just knew I needed a sit down period you know what I'm saying. And what else did we do? We did Pusha's album I Pray For You. Yeah we did the Nego album. The Nego album. Punchbowl.

Yeah so I mean. Those were things I could ask for that I knew weren't, you know, just solid notes. And, you know, man, from there, it was just like, what are we gonna do? What was the exact moment though, because y'all were on two completely different life paths. So what was the exact moment that said, okay, it's time to do another album? Okay, so I'll say this. When we were doing the Use This Gospel and Punch Bowl and Push's album and whatever,

I had asked my dad, I was like, what do you think about me rapping again? And he said, son, I think you've been too hard on yourself. And my dad's a deacon, he was a deacon. So to hear him say that, I am like, word, that's how you feel, like, you know. And- You just answered one of my questions,

I was gonna ask you about that. Cause you talk about that on Birds Don't Sink. Right. And I just thought that was such a powerful thing, just to explain, like you was going through his, you know, dresser drawer, seeing his notes, but then he, y'all had conversations about you rapping again. I was gonna ask you, what were those conversations?

Yeah, yeah, we, you know, just everything was, the way it lined up, it told the whole story and it let me know that God is intentional. These things don't just be happening to us the way, you know, we think. God is very gracious and he sets you up. He knows what you can take. He knows how much to put on you.

He knows the order in which to put things in for you. So I just know that he's in control all the time. And the conversations with that record, Pusha talking to my mom and me talking to my dad and being able to document those last conversations, even those conversations was a type of preparation, you know, getting you ready for what was about to take place. So, like, I'm cool with it all.

Well, condolences, first and foremost. Thank you. Thank you. You know, I was... When I was in Vegas, you know, I was with family members of yours, and what I like to do is pull them to the side and just have conversations. I knew y'all was coming up for an interview. And... Trying to get tea.

Yeah, of course. And one was coming up for an interview. And um. Trying to get tea. Yeah, of course. And one of them was like. Yeah. Yeah. Now we were talking about the album, this is before I heard the album. And he was like, he was like, yo, the best thing about it,

he was like, I had their mom in the car. And he was like, the greatest thing that ever happened is the two boys are back together rapping. So how was that feeling of knowing that mom was just super duper happy that her two sons were back rapping? Man, you know, that was always a big thing, you know, for me as a soloist, she would always be like, I want you with him.

Yeah. I want your brother with you. I want him back out there with you. Probably just to, you know, look over me, watch over me. But that was always her thing. She was huge on us just being together. Yeah. How did y'all know y'all had to start the album

with a dedication to your parents? Like? Cause it was the hardest record to make. Like it was the hardest record to make. So I felt that one the most on the album. Yeah, so finally like when we cracked that code cracked that code, we were putting the order in and we was like, man, nah, this has to start. This has to start the album.

It was polarizing. The response, just in the creation of it, man, everybody who heard it, and there were people in there, we recorded it in the LV headquarters. So it's a room and it's, you know, it's open. The mics are like this, ain't no booth. You record like this, you look outside, you look through that window right there, and then it's not a window, it's just an open space.

Somebody with a sewing machine, somebody with, you know, bags, shoes, whatever. And while we're doing this in real time, everybody's in tears. Everybody just, they're watching it. By the time we finish it, it's like, just like any other record, it's like, man, we cracked the code on it. We were satisfied. But it was just so hard to do.

And everybody's always like, everybody wanna put their hardest record first. And I'm like, nah man, this is the hardest record. And I wanna see how it really touches people from the jump. And then get into everything else. Did that change you? Cause you talk about on the record of where you were and the things that you should have been doing

that you weren't doing. And then I seen a shift for a couple of years with you when you had your son. Like everything is about your son and you show up more than anything else and that wasn't you beforehand. So did that change you? What is my first son?

So this is new to me. But, man, I don't know if it changed me. I would say that my parents prepared me to be a dad, like a real dad, because I had a real dad, and a real mom. Were there conversations that you wish you had with your mom, like in those moments where you talk about you went to church for Thanksgiving and stuff?

No, no, like me and my mom was so straight. Like we been like, we always were straight. And I think that the, you know, the whole, the Turks thing, you know, and looking at it in hindsight, you know, she was like, damn, you gonna get out of here? You know, looking at it and everything, I sort of feel like she knows, she knew everything.

She did. Yeah, she knew, yeah. That's what I get from it. Yeah, so, you know, it in everything, I sort of feel like she knew everything. She did. Yeah, she knew it. That's what I get from it. Yeah. So, it's just, it tells the story after. You know what I'm saying? The whole story for me, I see it all now.

I see it all. But at the time, no, I didn't. I think it also says a lot for being in harmony with your people. You really should be, because that is what gives me a lot of peace, knowing that I was there for my mother, great relationship with my mother and my father the whole time. So if you're out here and you have like a dysfunction or a lot of disdain between family members, you should really try to fix that.

You know what I'm saying? You should really try to fix that if possible because right now with my parents being gone, I get a lot of peace just knowing that everything was straight and always straight. That's about the only thing. Yeah. How did y'all choose who was going to rap about who?

That was kinda easy. I mean, and even though we were, you know, just all of us very close knit and tight knit, you know, my dad and I, we always talked about things of the Bible, you know? And just whole, even my mom, cause my mom Bible, you know, and just whole, even my mom, because my mom was, you know, over the house every Saturday for Bible study.

But I don't know, it just seemed like it kind of made more sense for me talking about my dad. Will we get a visual for this video? It's already shot. Oh, okay. See how, okay. It's already shot. Look at you, you smile like you already knew

you talked to the family and got the team. No, I did, I did. But I did, I pulled everybody to the side. Oh, all right. Definitely asked. How difficult is it to rap honestly next to your brother because y'all really know each other. So you could be like, yo, you lying.

That ain't happen. Oh, right. No. No. No. No. We don't have them kind of issues. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. You get in the drill. But is it ever like, all right, maybe that's too much. Like maybe we shouldn't say that. I think I think Pusha likes, especially now he likes when I curse, you know, like all the way there with it. You know what I'm saying?

But I mean, the rapping is just like second nature nature to us and we've been doing this for a while So this the funnest rapping has ever been I'm being honest with you Yeah, like this the funnest rap has been like this ain't even like That's not a thing. Like it's the you know, the rollout and all of that is like the the the work this the music Not a music is is what it is. Yeah, like the music, nah, the music is what it is. Like the music is here. You feel like you gotta prove yourself though? Nah.

I seen it with Hov, right? People, Hov you lying, you ain't really do that. Aw man. Do you feel like you gotta? Bro, I've been in this 23 years. Like I've been who I've been 23 years. Like I don't feel like I gotta prove anything to anybody. And I feel like I'm the best at what it is I'm doing.

Like I don't think nobody talks like this. Nobody, like it's a lot that comes with this. And I feel like, you know, people give you that the Coke rap moniker. Bro, we like, it's so much deeper than that. And listen, I don't even argue, I don't even argue the title no more. It's fine.

Right now, what we're making is for those who know and for those who understand and for those who are into hip hop, into the lifestyle. And I think that's what you're seeing in the whole rollout of this album. This is high taste level everything. And it shows the heritage of like how and what we've been a part of for all these years.

Whether it's high fashion, whether it's car, whether it's street wear, whatever it is, it's all hip hop. Like this is, we trying to give the hip hop tutorial of like why we loved rappers. Why, you know, the rappers, I cut my eyebrows, bro. You know what I mean?

Like these things I did, like I did, you know, and I want people to love us in that way. And I want to show that like, you know, this is what hip hop means to us, like be entrenched. And that's what we're just trying to show. You know, that's funny because that was one of my revelations with my departure. Everything that we were talking about, the things that we had been through, the things that we were sharing, and then to see how it all came crashing down with friends and

family around us. Endowed with death. Yeah, death, indictments, even to present day, you know what I'm saying? The same people that we were running with, we've lost a few more recently. But my revelation was when I would hear narratives of, they weren't into that or they weren't doing this and that.

And I'm like, I know what we've been through. And for anyone to say anything like that, for to have such a sacrifice of all these things going down just for someone to say that, which doesn't trouble me at all, doesn't bother me. People have their opinions and can say what they want, but to be fighting for that and talking that and then when it happens and then somebody

wanna say you ain't do that, I was like, oh man, nah, I'm chilling, I'm good. I didn't hear a lot of cocaine rap on this record though. Was that intentional? Do you think you should? No. Honestly, not as the Clips Project. Right.

Push it. Nah, I think, you know what it is? I think it's more reminiscent. Yeah. Point of view, give a little, in the beginning, give a little something zone. No, point of view is about the coaching. I think in's more reminiscent. Yeah. Point of view, give a little, in the beginning, give a little something zone. No, point of view is about the coaches. I think in the beginning though,

it opens up, that's my favorite. That's the birth of the year. For who? You. Really? Listen, they tried to scrap that. Candidate for birth of the year. I tried to scrap it.

They tried to scrap that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I told them, I was like, no, that's it. Why? Yeah. They tried to scrap that. Yeah. Yeah. I told him, I was like, no, that's it. Why? Yeah. He tried to scrap it.

He made me keep it. Why did you want to get rid of it? 68 stars, 7500 club getters, and 20,000 ish. Oh, all about. Why did you want to scrap it? Because I was actually mimicking Guru, like vocally, and I didn't think I nailed it good enough. And I was just like, man.

Yeah, I didn't get Guru. Oh, yeah. OK, OK. I mean, you know, very monotone, very conversational, very, na, na, na, na, na, na. And it was like, you know, that, I mean, I just didn't, I wasn't sold on the execution. Nah, that's the birth of the year, Ken.

Oh, man, that's crazy. That's crazy. I agree. Yeah, listen. the verse of the year, King. Oh man, that's crazy. That's crazy. I agree. Yeah, listen. Thank him, because it was gone. That's my favorite verse of his up there. So you know, the other thing. So Matt, did you tell him,

y'all don't want to do too much of the cocaine thing on this? No, I mean, I think, you know, that's the good thing between my brother and I, things are understood. You know, he knows why I stand. I know where he stands. I don't try to change him or he don't try to change me. And it's a good playing field where we come together.

And it's just real, we don't have to like overcompensate. Yeah, or manufacture anything. It's just what it is. The other day they said I was glazing the clips, right? Why? Because. It sounds crazy. It was though.

It was kinda great. Because what I said was, I said something to this fact. Why? Because of. He sound crazy. He was though. He was though. That was kinda great. What I said was, I said, I said something to this fact. I said, push has, if he hears anybody go at him, he has five records on the side or five verses just in case. I said, I just know because I know who he is and what he is.

Is that true? No, man. That's not what he said. I'm not, I'm not listening to that. That's not what he said. I'm not listening to that. Push is not. You know. He said, no, he said, now'm not listening, man. I'm not listening, man. You know. He said, no.

He said, nah, he looks good, like the skin, his brain's always fresh. I ain't nothing. I like skin compliments. I do like skin compliments, I'ma tell you. Enough is enough. That's what you say. I ain't nothing. I ain't nothing.

But when it comes to rappers, sometimes they throw stones at you. Do you have something in the stash for your music? No. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I ain't saying that other thing. But when it comes to rappers, sometimes they throw stones at you. Do you have something in the stash for each and every one of them? Man, I mean, I think, you know, just me being a rap artist and me being an MC is, that's

just second nature. And usually, most people who throw stones, man, I mean, nobody's perfect. So I mean, I can dissect anybody just like they could dissect me. But, you know, man, I try not to, I try not to engage too much. Like I've done that, like I've done a lot of it. You know what I'm saying?

I've done it with the best and the biggest. Like I've done it. So it's like, you know, you can't just entertain everything because everybody and everybody's not good. Like everybody's not good. This is this is a new day in a new era where like, you know, just clicks in and clickbait in and people just say things for attention. And it's like, you just can't entertain everything, man. You just can't. I feel like you've been trying to catch a body since the story you're adding on, though.

I really do. I've been trying to catch a body? Well, you caught one. I'm thinking, I think that's not. Oh, classic. What the hell? I was thinking, I was thinking that was a body, I think those were shots directly at you,

but you were surgical with it. You even said at the end, I'ma peel back the layers real slow. So I feel like you really wanted to go there with somebody for the longest. Nah, man, nah, I mean, you know, it's never a... Man, I got, for real, I have a lot to rap about. I got a lot to rap about, I got I got for real. I have a lot to Rap about I got a lot to rap about I got a lot a lot of content

the creativity is is is ever flowing and It don't ever have to be about an individual. It don't have to be like not for me Like I mean like I feel like this album is incredible and I don't think it's really dialed anywhere You couldn't get an accessory to murder Charged though, because when you listen to Euphoria, there's a lot of pushing in Euphoria. There's a lot of things that you laid down that Kendrick used for Euphoria and I think just used in the battle pyramid. I think great lyricists just tune into the obvious.

Did y'all ever speak during that battle? Oh yeah. Oh y'all did speak during the battle. Who's my guy? Accessory. Accessory. I knew it. Accessory.

Accessory. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. When do you pick and choose when to say something about something? Because you sit on a lot of stuff for a long time. Yeah.

I mean, I'm always like that. Like, I feel like, and that just comes with, that just comes with, like, my position in the game and like just where I am as an artist. Like, man, I don't, you know, it's not always a radio record that I have. It's not always, you know, we don't get, you know, I'm not putting out music constantly, you know what I'm saying? Every five minutes a new record. I feel like,

you know, things happen, you gotta store it. You gotta store it, you gotta craft it, you gotta make it right. You gotta set the platform, set the stage. Now break down the- What the hit. The situation with Def Jam. You guys were on Def Jam. Yes. Decided to leave. Yeah.

You crazy too, man. You can sit up here and tell some- Def Jam, you was like, yo, Def Jam, Def Jam don't care about your project. You crazy. Crazy. He kept talking about money. He kept talking about money. He's crazy.

So what happened? You're an honest man, man. Yeah. He started the interview. I was like, I'm not going to do that to her. If you're not up here to talk about your music, what's the point of that? I'm not going to do that to her. So what happened? Honest man, man. He started the energy. I was like, I'm not going to do that to her. If you're not up here to talk about your music, what are we going to be talking about?

What's your best? I actually left that day because they didn't send an album. He still wanted to do it. I was pushing for her because I love Coco. If we're being honest though, because listening to the project now and knowing the background with y'all and Def Jam, I don't understand why they would let a project like this go. Well, listen. So what was the call? When you handed in the album and they called and said, knowing the background with y'all and Def Jam, I don't understand why they would let a project like this go. I don't either. So what was the call?

When you handed in the album and they called and said, we can't put this out, we can't clear this record, what was that call like? I mean, you know what? It was something that I wasn't really dealing with firsthand. They were like speaking to my management and my team and just like, you know, then it got a little dicey to the point they wouldn't text or email, send these things and email.

They would like only talk on the phone and, you know, they would instruct not to email us back and forth these, you know, that type of correspondence. So, I mean, man, you know, I don't know. Like, I don't know why. I mean, I can only assume that it was just the optics with everything they got going on with litigation lawsuits and all that the optics of clips Kendrick together because that's that's when it all happened like we don't we don't We don't really deal with the label that much anyway

Outside of nothing, actually. Yeah, we don't deal with the label. Like we go make our album, then we come and bring the album back. Right. But y'all, you and Kendrick have worked together before. Y'all got a classic together, if you ask me. No pathology. For sure.

So it's like, what's the difference? Oh, it's a different day. It wasn't, you know, that was back then. But y'all wasn't even shooting that dude. It doesn't matter. That's crazy. Yeah. So when you wanted to leave, you called Hov and in the first room it was,

they just let you go for free. And we was like, that can't be true. No, no, no, no, no. No, he had to pay. He had to pay. So you reached out to Hov and Hov said absolutely positive. How was that? Well, my man, Stephen did.

Shout out to Stephen. Yeah, Stephen reached out to him. There were other labels in the bidding. And he just called Hov like, yo, I think there was an approval process between one of the labels or something. Took a little long. And he went and asked Hov.

And Hov was like, look, yeah, let's do this now. Like 24 hours, maybe 48 hours. I never seen lawyer work like this. That fast. Yeah, I didn never seen Lawyer work like this. That fast. Yeah, I didn't know it even happened like that. What record was Hov supposed to be on on this project? Shit, man. I mean, we got, he was sent chains and whips.

Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson blow to the face. Hov had the album, so you know. So be it. Yeah, it was all for him to, whatever he wanted to do. Oh, he was supposed to be on So Be It. Yeah, that was one of the options, yeah. And nothing moved his spirit?

Hey man, I don't know man. I don't know man, you know. You know on POV, Malice, you said that you came back for the money. That's the devil. Can you explain that? Yeah, I just thought it was a real fly line, you know. And for anyone who has any questions about me,

I'm Jesus inside out. Like I'm all the way gone with it. Like it's crazy. But I just took some artistic liberty, you know, with that line. And really to me, you know, money is a good thing. You need money, especially to, you know, you got friends and family to be able to help people.

It's nothing wrong with money. I think people put a stigma on money for the Bible says that it is the love of money It's nothing wrong with money. I think people put a stigma on money. The Bible says that it is the love of money that's the root of all evil, not the money. It's how much you love it. What are you willing to do for it? Or what won't you do for it?

Do you lose all your principles and your morals? So I don't think we can demonize money, but for me it was just a fly line. And you said you gave the money to the church, right? Nah, nah, nah. The line, yeah, because the line is fresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Came back for the money, that's the devil in me.

That's the devil in me. Had to hide it from the church, that's the Jekyll in me. But I'm just talking about the duplicity and the dichotomy of the mind and how people think and the two sidedness to people sometimes. That's everybody. Absolutely. Yeah, that's everybody.

Now you mentioned Mace earlier, right? Yeah. When Mace came back, he was on his ass, right? Because of the lyrics, because of the type of records that he was on. But with you, they don't do that with you. Why do you think that is? I don't know, but I'ma tell you for me,

and looking at Mace now, I get Mace. I understand. People are judgmental, you know what I'm saying? I've heard a few things about me. Like I haven't seen anything, but you have to know, be solid in who you are, and if you have the word in you, the Bible says that there is none righteous, no not one, so nobody can like truly point the finger, but you better have your heart positioned in Jesus Christ by the end of the day because when the music stopped you definitely want to

have a seat. He taught me that because I didn't know he told me that God think we all dirty. That's what he told me. How do your conversations be? Do you talk to your brother about'm gonna tell you, like, my brother listens to me, you know, now, or he has the appearance of listening. Yeah, he hears me. He hears me. And anytime I get to witness to anybody, you know, without being preachy or forcing myself, you know what I'm saying? The problem is for me is that I happen to know

how serious this is. And the thing about not knowing is that you don't know that you don't know, you know what I'm saying? So when you're trying to, when people open the door and are willing to listen, I try to do whatever it is I can. But my brother, he's been incredibly supportive of me. Even in my stepping away, he's never, you know, was like, yo, what are you doing or this?

Like, he basically just said, okay, you know? He asked me, was I sure? You know, and that meant a lot to me because I had a lot, it was like a heavy weight So to have the support of my brother even through the whole Hiatus he would come to me. He was like yo so and so is offering this amount of money But what he would do was he said I already told them no But I didn't want this to happen without me letting you know just

in case you know what I'm saying so well you know I felt supported so that's all that matters you all feel robbed when people. Never feel robbed. Okay. Never feel robbed. How do you feel when people leak music? Like when people release your music prematurely? Yo, you know, the game goes how it goes

and that's how we maneuver, we navigate everything. I'm not gonna sit up and be upset about anything, you know, that happens. When we get in there and we create and we make our music and we do what we do, what else you gonna do? What else can you do other than that? You know what I'm saying? And I stand on our product and I love it.

And it's good for fans to get things sometimes, so it's cool. Like as long as they enjoy it, it's good. Did y'all ever think about trying to get another Kendrick verse once that leaked before the album actually dropped? Man, we try to get all Kendrick verses. Why not?

Well, y'all kinda leaked it. Y'all knew playing that song in Paris, everybody's phone out, it was going. Y'all had to know that. Yeah. It's part of it. They knew it. Part of roll out.

Part of roll out. Envy said something about, what you asked about, Myles, why you don't get the flack. I think one reason is because y'all have always had like a spiritual thread in your music, especially with the album titles. So how has your personal understanding

of good and evil evolved since like, Hell Have No Fury? Good and evil? How has it evolved? How has your personal understanding of it evolved? Cause when you're even talking about rap, like, you know, people, some people say rap music is secular.

It's the devil. You shouldn't do it. But then, you know, you went on your journey and you were doing it even while you were on your journey, but now you're back. Like, yeah, I think, I think one of the things that I have learned is start with yourself before you try to correct anybody. Man, I'm not even saying you should try and correct anybody, but you start with yourself before you try to correct anybody. Man, I'm not even saying you should try and correct anybody, but you start with yourself and looking within

and change the things that you can change and work on what you need to work on. And then you can like offer some kind of advice or if people are even interested, you know what I'm saying, be able to give a reason for the hope that you have. And yeah, I think if more of us looked at ourselves and instead of trying to judge other people, I mean, cause you look deep enough,

you'll find something all the time, you know? Going back to what you said about when you went to Wyoming to do Use This Gospel, by the way, the hardest song on that album. How do y'all feel about Kanye now? Do y'all feel sadness or sympathy for him? We all see him now? No.

No. Talk to your brother. No, no, no. No, no, no. I'm going to say that I think this goes for anybody. It's crazy when you have a true revelation of God, it is radical because when the scales fall off your eyes, you do, you wanna run and tell everybody what you witnessed

and say, oh, yo, we've been missing it this whole time. You know, it's how I felt. But once you get that, you gotta sit down for a minute. You can't get the revelation and then try to keep going in this world. The epitome of the gospel is denying yourself. That's why Christ got on the cross and gave up his flesh.

So you have to be willing to give it up so you can learn and then let God restore you and rebuild you correctly. Doesn't mean anybody is a perfect person. You know what I'm saying? Or you can't even try to have the facade of, okay, I'm saved now, now I'm perfect. Nah, it just doesn't work like that. or you can't even try to have the facade of, okay, I'm safe now, now I'm perfect, nah, it just doesn't work like that.

And how did you deal with it, Push? Deal with. Kanye, because you're not a type of person to hold your tongue, you don't hold your words, so when some of the stuff that he did that might not have aligned with what you thought, did y'all have those conversations? Well, I mean, I spoke on it,

I feel like that was the beginning of our fallout but um You know He sits on a lot. Yeah of miscarriages of justice I've seen it, you know what I'm saying? I hear things and things being said and I see you know his reserve You know, I admire his restraint his reserve, you know, I admire his restraint. People, by the time he jumps out the window, you think he's going overboard, but I'm telling you as knowing my brother,

he sits on a lot. And what about all that music? I'm sure you got tons of music, but we never hear the stuff that you've done that he's produced or? Yeah, you will, because they leak it all. They leak it all. They put out, Or just sloppy.

You know, I don't know. I don't even keep it. But you know, you've seen and heard the things that have been out there. I saw you say you hate Kanye's leadership and you got away from that community daddy bill because of the feeling over there. Right. What was that like last straw of like, nah, I can't no more? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. leadership and you got away from that community that he built because of the feeling over there. What was that last straw of like, nah, I can't no more? I think for me it was somewhere around the Atlanta, the dome, the locked in, when everybody was locked in the dome, the locked in, when everybody was locked in the dome. And, you know, I, you know, like again, man, when, when we squad and we, we working and we doing what we doing, it's just all about the squad.

And I kind of just felt like, you know, I would, you know, I would have to leave and go do things, shows, whatever the case may be, I would come back and the energy would just be different. You know, there were conversations being had. You know, this is after Adidon and everything else and it was like, man, I was doing self-serving things and it was just crazy. It was just a lot of like, you know,

backbiting and things like that. I'm like, damn, this is for the squad. I thought, but you know, it ended up not being. I don't think I ever heard him talk publicly negative about you. We heard him say it about Sean. We heard him say it about John Legend. Yeah, I don't know.

Oh no, for sure he has. For sure he has. Remember he put on the little mask? He looked like he's screaming in the back. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, right, right, right. Define what is culturally inappropriate. Oh man.

On how that said question. Yeah, inappropriate. Oh man. On how that's said quite a few times. Yeah, no, listen man. Okay, so during just the sessions, whether it was a beat, whether it was, you know, just the freestyles before and making the songs, whatever the case may be, you know, we would get hype about just like, man, it's hard or whatever it was at the time and um,

I forgot who said it but someone was Mike Mike. Yeah, Mike was like man this shit is culturally inappropriate and Mike also worked on it's almost dry. So, you know how that had a common thread of like the Joker laugh through the whole album He was like, yo, say that on the mic and let me run that through a filter because, you know, we just felt like we just kept running that back as culturally inappropriate. He was like, say it through a filter, let's find a voice and let's just see how it sounds on records. And it actually just worked just to have that, you know, just another thread to keep it, you know, cohesive, keep the album cohesive.

I mean, I like it just because it's something that I feel like we should say. Something is culturally inappropriate. Yeah, it could have been a line. What I'm saying is it could have been a line, it could have been a song, it could have been a hook idea at the time. I just, you know, I just can't remember what it was,

but that's where that term came from. Something that was just said ignorantly. And what pissed you off about Travis Scott so much that you had to mention him on the record? What made you say this nigga's going too far? Ah man, it was just that whole coming to Paris. He came to Paris during one of our sessions, played his album, and then when he left, the album comes out and the record

that he played had a verse up there that was going at P or whatever the case may be. And I'm like, damn, you just left. How you leave here, he was on your album, and then you're letting him play your album for him, you're filming it, and then you come back. When the album drops, you got a verse going at them. So I just thought that was corny. And again, that's part of the, I think that's part of just trying to leave

all of that behind and it's like, man, that's the type of thing that happens over in that yay world and it's okay. And they, it's all right, they just brush it off and they be friends and they go hang out together and then you know do whatever they do like that doesn't I didn't I didn't like that that was brought into this fold yeah one time they said the verse the drink first wasn't done as it yet doesn't matter when it was done to the reach that I don't care when it was done you

you added to it you actually he actually had a verse after that verse. So you even added to the verse. So what's proper etiquette for a situation like that? Just stay the hell away from me. Just stay away. I'm not into you anyway. I'm not even into your swag or none of that. I'm not into none of it. So just stay away. I only want to mess with the real. I'm only dealing with the real. Like I'm only dealing with the real. I'm only, you know, doing music with the real. We just, I just, let's just, let's just, this is like just drawing a line in the sand for everybody.

But are you responsible for what an artist does on your record? Are you responsible for what an artist does on your record? Like is Travis responsible for Drake's line? If you come and dance around in front of me and use footage and do all this and all that, I think you're responsible for anything that you do that you incorporate the people that are being talked about.

Of course. I can't believe you have to explain this. You know what happened. Yeah. I'm just asking because I know that's your brother. And I'm sure. No, and I'm not just taking sides. Because my brother, I'm just saying, you know, like.

But I'm talking about the artist who might approach you because of what Pusha says. I mean, listen, I ride with my brother. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing about this, having purpose. I know what my purpose is. I'm making music with my brother and I'm glorifying my God. That's what I'm doing.

And when you're in your purpose, if anything fall on you, then it fall on you. At least you know you were where you were supposed to be. And that's where I'm at right now. So I'm cool with whatever Yeah That's not about crying He didn't say he got a video. He said he cried in front of me. He said, I got the video. You look like a teenager. Oh, no, no. That wasn't that.

That's not about crying. So what's on the video? Oh, man. You know. Yo, chill, chill. Yeah. You know. God damn.

And he said you got a TMZ. You dropped a school of tears just in case you're looking for another place. I got you. But I'm glad Malice is here. Because Pusha probably can't do interviews by herself. That's not, now Tyler the Creator, how did you and Tyler create a kiss?

Oh man. He gets busy by the way. Yeah, hell yeah, right. Tyler's crazy. Man, Tyler been, I mean, since Trouble on My Mind, he's a huge Star Trek, Neptune, Pharrell, Clips fan. Huge Star Trek, Neptune, Pharrell, Clips fan. Like he knows the discography, you know, frontwards and backwards.

He's spoken a lot about how his influence, he's been influenced by things that we've done. But yeah, I mean, I don't even remember the year Trouble of My Mind came out, but since then, we've always been've always been cool, always been tight, and yeah, he came through on POV. He came through. Hard. Hard.

Now he got busy. Yeah, he killed it. How do you reconcile the nostalgia fans will feel for the old clips, being that y'all totally different men today? I'd like to think that they've grown with us. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to think that they've grown with us. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to think that they have.

And I think that, you know, I think that they've grown with us and I feel like our growth is something that, you know, needs to be studied and studied in just, you know, maturing in hip-hop. be studied and studied in just maturing in hip hop. Maturing in hip hop and just culturally just showing you how to navigate and grow in this game and still be current and still be of the mix and just not trying to stay 19 forever. When the last time you felt this safe, Push?

Because I can hear it in the music, it feel like a homecoming, right? Yeah. Even with the things that y'all talking about, you got Malice back, I have Livers on the album, on the Pharrell production. Yeah. Even when I'm watching you in interviews,

I'm like, damn, Push is just letting it fly. All of it. Yeah. When did you, what made you feel so safe in this moment? I don't, you know, I just think that, I don't know, for me, I look at it like media has always been a big part of the clips because it's always been a story. The clips always has a story.

And I don't necessarily think you can get up here and lie and play. People see through that and I'm not one to be seen through. Like I don't, like I'd rather just you know Just tell the truth and call it a day versus You know sitting here trying to tap dance around things. So I you know, I Don't know. I think that it's not about feeling safe It's just about you know, this is this is part of the game and this is part of the game for us

It's just about, you know, this is part of the game and this is part of the game for us. And I feel like when you got the music to back it up, man, you gotta, listen, you gotta be Must See TV. You gotta be. You don't enjoy Rapper's Line? I think it was Malice on the album said. That was one of my favorite, I wanted to say that. Yeah, you've been entertained by rappers

you never believed or something like that. I done sung along with rappers I never believed. I wish I said that. I wish I said that. I wish I could have said the Mace line and I wish I said that line. Those are my two takes. How often did that happen for y'all?

I was gonna say, do y'all do that all the time? If you two switch verses on a classic clip song, like... He ain't giving me his verse. I don't even understand what he's saying. They saying I'm O-N-2 right now. What y'all talking about? That is the debate online. I am O-N-2. Dang him. I'm O-N-2.

Oh, just off features? No, off the records. I'm O-N-2. Damn. I'm O-N-2. Oh, just off features? No, off the records. Off the records, I'm O-N-2 right now. Off the records that people heard of? Yeah, yeah. You don't never be like, yo bro, you can have this question. No. Do you try to spank your brother every time you rap with him?

Nah, man. I just do me, man. And I think our personalities and experience lends itself to, you know, just different scenarios or whatever. Different bases, different things. I can't do what push does, you know what I'm saying? I get that and all I can do is be me. So you've never heard a push line and been like, damn, I wish I said that.

All the time, yeah. All the time, yeah. I was gonna ask, at the listening that we went to, y'all talked about, y'all didn't have a ton of music, y'all were very particular about recording, and this is the music we're going to do. And you've always been that way, but it's been so long, so how did you know what you wanted to say?

How did you narrow it down to narrative? I think the key thing that we were trying to find in the studio was urgency. Urgency was like the key word that regardless of what it was, it could be birds don't sing, it had to be urgent. It had to tug at your heart. If you listen to POV, the flow had to be something of, or the bars had to be something of urgency.

So it wasn't about honestly finding words or topics to rap about, it was just that the music needed to feel urgent the whole time. I think that was our biggest goal, just to make sure that that sense of urgency was there. Talk about what Virginia means to you guys, because you get a lot of people that leave their city, and they move to New York, they move to Jersey,

they move to Atlanta, they move to the West. You guys have never left Virginia, so what does Virginia mean to you? For me, Virginia is everything. Childhood, upbringing, where my mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, hell from. Friends, you know, we were just talking about this. We have the same friends from, you know, way back. And just certain ethics and standards of loyalty that has been bred in Virginia.

I absolutely love Virginia. I wouldn't wanna move anywhere else. It's my pace, it's my style, it's what I know, it's home. Yeah, I think Virginia, for me, and the fact of never moving, I always felt like my music would suffer, the writing would suffer. I've always felt like that.

It's the comfort, the comfort of being there. And I think that it gives a different perspective. I feel like the clips, damn, the clips. Clips, you know what I mean different perspective. I feel like the clips, damn the clips. Clips, yeah. I feel like clips. I feel like clips. Is different because of Virginia. I feel like the music that we, and the influences

that we've been afforded by living in Virginia, a military town, there were things I never knew about musically or would have never ran across if we weren't in Virginia and you know, the flavor for yous, the mix tape shops and you know, I was exposed to the bass sound, I was exposed to Houston because of this town. And it was only because, like, it was such a military town that all these different influences came there musically. Even, I mean, even the late, early 80s, late 80s, the whole drug culture, the New York to Virginia pipeline

that brought so much music, so much influence, it brought so much. that the New York to Virginia pipeline that brought so much music, so much influence, it brought so much. Man, you know, man, if you just think about, if you just think about, yeah, if you just think about though, like the 90s, it was Mace, it was big, it was Wu Tang, it was everybody rapping about Virginia Beach.

Like, you know, just to know, like, It was Wu Tang, it was everybody rapping about Virginia Beach. Just to know, and it was so impressionable. I think that gave us a lot of fuel, a lot of information, and a lot of different things to take from to create what the clips are today. When you met your wife, I'm sorry, when you met your wife, Yes. Did you know she was the one as soon as she said her name? No, no, not off of Virginia.

You meet somebody with his wife's name is Virginia. Oh wow. That is wild. Nah, that was crazy though. But yeah. But she from there too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So do y'all like go out in Virginia, y'all move around in Virginia?

Yeah, always out. Love is crazy. Totally, totally, totally. Cause a lot of rappers, I'm sorry, a lot of rappers like have to leave their city because of that, you know, with love comes the hate, the bigger you get. Nah, you know, up at the office,

they were just talking about what they hear about us at home and how we're out, you know, every time I'm in a grocery store, I'm taking a picture, buy the peanut butter that I don't wanna take. I do it with the people, but just they catch me anywhere. And they said I'm out there officiating weddings

and people see me at the gas station. Like, we go out. We definitely go out. And it feels good to be able to. You know what I'm saying? Virginia don't be trippin'. Virginia's cool. But y'all are like that almost, not everywhere, but like I saw there was a video of you in

Miami push and the guy walked up. I'm like, where is all the people with him? Like you just walking around. I was mad about that one. Yeah, I mean. They got him, he was joking. What was the security? You was by one other, I was mad about that one.

Yeah, I had to, man, I was going to get a Mother's Day gift, I had to man I was I was I was gonna get uh, I was gonna get a Mother's Day gift I think and uh, you know, it's outside man Yeah You all laid back and chill you gotta be yeah, I mean, you know, you know somebody got a gun Nobody had a gun. Right. Let's leave it there. What is the skin regimen?

Because brother push, I'm sitting here looking at the inside of your ear and it looks glad. You have never seen the inside of somebody's ear look so smooth like that. You too, man. Let's go over there with a glass ear to it. I appreciate it. What did y'all do? Is it the diet? Is it like, what is it?

I think it's working out. I don't know if it's, no, no, no, I'm saying is it the diet, is it their diet? Oh, diet. No, that's you, baby. He projected it, though. Yeah, he projected it. Don't even pay that much attention.

Is it your diet? Is it like, what is it? I think, you know, we work out every day, you know? And we enjoy that. I think that's fine. Watching what you eat. I think we are the first generation in our family, reading labels and calorie counts and proteins

and stuff like that, so maybe that's what it is. I don't know. And that skin is crazy. Appreciate it. Thank you. You can produce every song? Hold on, your skin too. Yeah. All right. I'm sure. Thank you. Did Pharrell produce every song? Hold on, your skin too. So, all right.

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Thank you. For sure, for sure. All right, all right, all right. So he produced every song? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, that's what's up. I feel like he took like a more, when he produces for y'all, it's more like a minimalist approach. I think- It's a direct approach. Yeah. I think. It's a direct approach. Yeah. I think it's,

I think it has a lot to do with our vocals being instruments. And treating it, treating the vocal like a real instrument. Like, you know, versus like over producing. So much, there's so much that's centered around the word, you know what I'm saying? When it comes to us, that you have to let that breathe and I think he takes that direction.

How does that change your, how does that challenge your pen or delivery? Oh, everything is about the raps. Anyway, it's always been about the raps, but I don't got a production bone in my body, so I ain't never gonna be able to lean on it, but so much, you know, I think there's a standard that just comes with the writing.

He just knows that it sounds best, minimal, with us cutting through, yeah. So when the beat changes on a record, like with the record that Nas does, do you ever say? That's why it was him, That's why he was on it. Gotcha, gotcha. He asked for two eights. For real, it was like, yo, I got this change.

Give us two eights. When we heard the beat, we was like, oh, that's for Nas. I mean, just knowing, you just know that, no. That is, he was in a queen's bag of whatever that was, whatever was inspiring him at the time, I was like, man, that was for homie. I know DJ Clu was involved too, right? Yeah, yeah. Talk about his involvement in the project.

Again, man, Clu was, he wasn't. What happened was, you know, just again, making the records, going through the records, we actually stole Clu' drops from just old mix tapes because we just felt that it fit. And when he heard it, he was like, no, I gotta redo these. They don't belong there. They don't belong here. He booked the studio.

Booked the studio and he reconfigured everything he did and did it live. But it was just, some of those records kind of sparked that nostalgia. And you know, when we're in the moment, you know, whether it's a Pharrell, you know, you hear Pharrell singing the hook or, you know, we wanted the hook that he's not going to stay on, we got to kind of finish it just to see what it feels like. So we stole the drops and once Clu heard it, he, you know, did it properly. Yeah.

Now talk about the Cousins Festival you got going on in Virginia. Oh man, Cousins Festival. Cousins Festival is August 30th. It is the best time, it's Labor Day weekend. And it's an indoor and outdoor festival. You know outdoor you have a Cousins Festival stage it's like all the DJs you got backyard band you got man you know truck yeah food, it's Envy, it's DJ Boof.

Yes, y'all got Jess in there. Yeah, we need Jess there. And then on the inside, as the day goes on, we have inside, we have a show, and that's gonna be GZ, T-Pain, Lil Kim. And it's like, it is the best one day festival time of Labor Day Weekend in Virginia. Why don't you perform at the festival though? Because this is the second annual right? Yeah this is the second one. Why don't you perform at your festival?

Well actually we have a show already booked so we ruined it. You booked a show for the show of his festival. No, not the day of, not the day of. But, you know, it just didn't make sense. And, you know, this is really about, we take real polls like, yo, who y'all want to see? You know, we just- Last year they did Erykah Badu. Yeah, last year was Erykah Badu, Larry June, Lion Babe, hosted DJs, Jermaine, you know,

and this year, you know, this year we stepped it up a notch. The show you got already booked, is that the tour y'all going on with Earthgang? Yes. Sorry about that. She leaked that first, you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know. I mean, I didn't say anything. No, Kevin was mad.

We are real mad about that, we got like a logistical we mad because y'all had other plans. It's all good man. It's all good. I mean, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that we're going out there with Earth Gang. Those guys are awesome. And I feel like the shows are going to be incredible. Like what is it?

25 dates? 25 dates. You know Earth Gang went to Hampton for a little bit. You know that, right? I didn't know that. Oh wow, crazy. I just got a couple more questions, man. Miles, how was your journey as a pastor,

your spiritual journey? Why does everybody call me a pastor? You weren't a pastor? No, I'm not. You just said that. I don't know why I thought you were a pastor. He said, no, I think that. I could be a pastor, but yeah, I'm not a pastor.

Well, your spiritual journey, how is that helping you navigate this current climate of hip hop, but also this current journey to Clipshaw? It helps me with my journey through life, with everything. I feel like I actually don't know how you can do it without God, anything. Let all things be done decently and in order.

And no matter what you're doing, you need to have the word of God with you. Even if it's only to help you in understanding things around you that you can't change, to have peace and peace with yourself. So it's everything to me. God is everything to me, first and foremost. And that's not cliche.

Like I need Jesus, like I need water and food. It's a fact, yeah. What's the song on the new album you think people are gonna completely misinterpret? I don't know, I don't care. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. It could be the whole album? I don't know, I don't care. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't know. It could be the whole album, I don't know.

Yeah. Let's get into a joint off the album. Which y'all wanna hear? Not the two joints I've been playing. FICO! Yeah, let's get into that. You gotta send that to me please, sir. Clean.

He said, all right, all right. He ain't sending nothing till Friday. That's leaked already, I heard. Or do birds it until Friday. I blinked already. Or do birds don't sing. I like birds don't sing. Do birds don't sing. That's powerful. Well I appreciate you brothers for joining us.

Thanks for having us. We're gonna have to wait another 15 years? Nah, nah, nah. I don't think so. Man, I listen to this aint, I don't think so. Okay. Yeah. Now listen to say it. I don't know, I don't know. Y'all are just so happy, I've never seen y'all together. I know.

I see God. That's why when I said the same space thing, I can really see that. I can see how this is like a divine protection for y'all together. For sure. For having an individual, but when y'all together you can't really see it.

Nah, I'm with that. I'm with that, I feel that, I see that. And this is just a child with question, how many people still when y'all together, you can't really really see it. Nah, I'm with that. I'm with that, I feel that, I see that. Yeah. And this is just a child-hood question. How many people still think y'all twins? Everybody. Okay, all right, because now I don't feel that dumb. Yo, growing up, I was like, they are twins.

I will argue people down. Really? Because they was right from down the street. I'm from Baltimore, you know what I mean? They right there. But I got family in Virginia, and I was even telling the Virginians, yo, they're twins.

They were twins. No, they not. So, my bad, okay. But people do say that. It wasn't're twins. No they not. So my bad okay but people do say that it wasn't only me. Everybody. Exactly. Let's get into the record. One last thing is there ever a problem you say like I'm not going there with Pusha? Like if Pusha's going to a spot a strip club to host or he's going to a strip club like that I'm not doing that. Yo everybody keeps putting you in a strip club for some reason. Every interview they're putting them in the strip club. I don't, I usually don't.

I mean, I'm a book, but it's not my thing. Work is work. Work is work. Oh, I get it. It's clips. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake that ass up.

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