The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Coach K & Mel Carter Talk Bojangles 'Wine & Beer,' Franchising, Quality Control Music, Artists +More

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Coach K & Mel Carter Talk Bojangles 'Wine & Beer,' Franchising, Quality Control Music, Artists. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast, Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19-year-old Lechay Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to hunting for answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness. this, psycho babble, then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you.

Open your free IHeartRadio app, search Emergency Intercom, and listen now. I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, host of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. I know how overwhelming it can feel if flying makes you anxious. In session 418 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, Dr. Angela Nealbarnett and I discuss flight anxiety. What is not a norm is to allow it to prevent you from doing the things. things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Hold on. Every day I wake up. The breakfast club. You're all finished or y'all's done? Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV. Just hilarious. Salomey and the guy.

We are the breakfast club. Lauren LaRosa is here as well. We got some special guests in the building. Yes, indeed. We got Coach Kay, who's been up here several times. What's up, my brother, Mel Carter. Welcome. Thank you.

Thank you. This is my first time. Yeah, first time, man. Now, Mel, if they don't know who you are, you want to break down who you are and what you've done in this industry? Me, oh, man, long time coming. I did music for 20 years, 10 of it for free, and then I got paid for the other time.

He got paid for the other time. And I used to be the senior vice president in A&R Republic Records. Went over to Warner after that for three years, and I just left Warner. Like, uh, it's the first time saying it, I'm leaving Warner. Oh, wow, wow, wow, why? Why? Well, you started your only thing I saw, right?

I'm starting, I started something different. Second Estate is it called? Second Estate was a joint venture at Warner. Okay. I was doing that and consulting for the A&R team. And I'm starting something in the streamer space. I started managing this kid named Rod. He just did a subatine in the American Dream Mall.

He did 30 days, 30 nights lived there. And I just really like that space And I just really like that space So I'm doing that and just focus on these restaurants For real for a little bit of real estate like you You know what I'm saying But that's really it It's focus on this new company

And focus on hopefully turning these restaurants Into 100 restaurants in the next five years Now you said A&R I'm sorry but you said A&R Yeah Right What is that? I feel like A&R doesn't exist anymore

And both of you brothers came from a place Where y'all were strong A&Rs for the other artists. Does A&R exist anymore? Do we need A&Rs? Because it seems like the music is getting trashed. There's no guidance. I think we need A&R.

That's the problem. You know, they got rid of the artist development and started everybody started treating the music like stockbrokers. You know what I'm saying? And chasing number, number, number. And, you know, and that became now labels, I should say, chase songs instead of building

and develop artists. You know what I'm saying? Once you build it, you build up, You build an artist it turns into a brand and, you know, that's how, you know, and QC, like I studied, we studied the Motowns

and, you know, the Russels and, you know, those labels. And I think it needs to come back. I think that's the problem. It's oversaturated and nobody's, like, build stars. Now, you don't know who Coach K is. Coach K.

At first time I met him, he was with GZ and one of the creators and owners of QC that brought all this, like Lodi, Gucci. He did Gucci back in the day, but he bought, city girls Amigos

I mean this a host of them but they actually built from the ground up these artists didn't have hits at the time you guys worked and created the hits and created which I wanted to do which we don't see anymore is that the reason why you feel like you know one of the things that got me and I love Republic Records

shout out to Monty and Avery but it became this like you don't really need A&R no more you know how many kids I flew to New York City because they had a song that was trending And by day three, the song was going down. And I had to just explain to them, we don't want to do the deal no more.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like you need A&R, but it's such a research game now that it's kind of hard to be an A&R because it's like you could have an artist that's the best and you like, you want to build them up. But a kid from, you know, Michigan

got something that's streaming, they don't even care how the song is. They go after it. So like, that's why I admire coaching, like, QC and like the last, to that that's left, for real, for real, that's really a dude name, Top Dog. Top Dog, yeah.

They're really still building artists, you know what I'm saying? Instead of just like chasing, what's moving. And it works, and it's kind of like, I guess it could be a better business model because you can develop an act and they don't work, but a lot of this shit that just start trending, they don't really go nowhere. I also feel like you gotta have those boutique labels,

like the QC, like a Top Dog, because the reality is, y'all niggas care. People are the majors, they simply just don't I don't care. I look at some of the last few releases that came out from people, Jed, Fantastic Gobb, Offset Fantastic album, Tiana Taylor, Fantastic Album, but they don't even feel like a Vince. They feel like somebody just put it out there and did a minimal amount of work possible and now what?

But think about it, right? Every artist that's big, let's say the top two, Drake, Kendrick, Little Baby. Every one of these acts came from a joint venture. So they had somebody in the middle, like a coach, who cared. you know what I'm saying like TD who cared cash money they had somebody who sat between the label it was like yo we ain't gonna do that we gonna do this like every success of Republic except for Post Malone is through a joint venture Wayne Nicky even Taylor it's all joint ventures with somebody who was standing in

the middle who cared you know I'm saying so you need somebody who care can we drop a bomb for little baby man little baby sells so many goddamn records in is so quiet about it. He's like diamond twice, right? Diamond twice and nobody talks about it is insane. You were telling me the numbers early. Yeah, I was pulling it up. I saw he, I think it was, let me, hold on, let me get it right.

So my turn is on billboards. He's number one of billboards. The top armbian hip-hop albums are the 21st century. Yeah, the number one album. When you saw that, how did you feel about it? I mean, I felt really good, but, you know, when we was making that album, I knew it was special. you know what I'm saying

and what made it so special is when the album dropped February 2020 right in the midst of two weeks later like the middle of February because like two weeks later the world crash you know what I'm saying and it was it was like

it was really a messed up time because he didn't really get to go tour that album because everybody was down for a year and a half basically you know what I'm saying but it stood a test of time of where like it was like every song, I was like, damn, damn, damn. And it just kept going to the point like right now,

like freestyle, you know, seven years later, it's just jump up. It's still the biggest record in the club. Somebody was like, that's his dreams and nightmare. That and my dog. That is. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, it's a really good feeling.

It's a really good feeling. That body of work was a well-put body of work. You know what I'm saying? He'd been developed over time and, you know, it's a good feeling. Did you think that he was going to come with, you know, basically the soundtrack for that year with a song like The Bigger Picture? When you think of all the artists that you thought was going to come and represent with music, Little Baby was not on my bingo card to come with the record. You know what's crazy?

You know what I'm saying? Like he went in, I remember him doing a bigger picture, you know? I remember he called us like, ya, I'm gonna do this record, you know what I'm saying? He played it, I was like, oh man, this is about to change the game. He said me and P down and said, hey, man, listen, I don't want this to sit on my album. I want this to sit on, I want to sit alone.

I don't want to make the money from this album. You know what I'm saying? You need to speak up, you need to speak up, you need to speak up because he's big in the community. And they know he had a voice, you know, talk to the kids. He was like, I want this song, and we had to go to the label. He was like, I want this song. All the money that it generates,

I want this song, that money, I wanted to go to charities. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know that. Yeah. And criminal justice reformed. And criminal justice reformed. Yeah. And they go to the label, like, hey, this is what we want to do.

And they was like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But he was like, I don't even, you know, like, that's how. Because everybody's like, we need you to come march. We need to come speak. He went and he cut the record. He's like, this is how I want to get my point across. He was very vulnerable on the record.

Like, I hadn't heard him that vulnerable. You know what I'm saying? He let it out. and then we gave it to the world, and boom. So y'all ain't make no money on that record? Nah, we all donated it to church. I did not know. I didn't know that either.

At what point the number was at, like, 1.5 million? Like, where is it now? If you got that many artists, that many things going on all? No, I'm just, I don't think people understand the impact of that song and what that means to just give that all to, you know, a great thing he did, but that's a huge amount of money. And so even that year, it got nominated for Grammys, and he got to perform.

Grammys was like it was close still closed you know what I'm saying like he had a big performance but you know I think really get to get the magic of what it really was that's crazy so now you guys have jumped in and jumped into the fast food spot yes crazy thing about the fast food spot is you know as a kid fast food was cheap right you can go there and you get 299 meal and you know you walk out with fries food and in a drink the other day I went there and it was like $15 and I'm like Like, this ain't cheap no more. I mean, but a Coke was 25 cents back in the day.

I'm not that old. Wasn't when there wasn't 25 cents? What's that? I'm around the 50 cent. 50, yeah. I remember that time. Yeah. 25.

I was there for 25 since you were. I did that for 50 cents. It was 25, 35. It went to 50. 25 was a little crazy coach. Yeah. I mean, that's right. Well, I'm talking about when I was a year.

Coach is like, I'm a little older than you. I'm a little older than you. A couple. So let's talk about why, you know, why you jumped into the Bojangles franchising. And how'd y'all even get together to do it? So me and Mel met 12 years ago, music. We met on, you know, on some music stuff, you know what I'm saying? We became super good friends, my brother, you know.

He was coming up in the business. And it's wild because we was back in the green when we were just talking like, damn, it was 12 years ago. I literally was starting QC when me and him met. You know what I'm saying? I got this idea, you know. He had an artist from Brooklyn. He was doing.

And he was like, man, I need your help. but I was like, we're going to help each other. You see what I'm saying? Because I was at the, I was doing a come-up period. I'm leaving management. Well, I'm still managing, but was doubling down on, you know, starting a label, man, because, you know, managing artists sometimes, you know. That's when you gave me that advice.

I was like, bro, like, you know, you got to manage artists. Yeah, I was like, you got to own an IP, especially when you're a manager that ANRs and develops, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, you're managing these artists, you develop an AIP, and you create, and their whole business, but then, you know, you look back five, six, seven, ten years, you're like, damn, I didn't even had the ownership.

They could fire you. Exactly, you know what I'm saying? They could fire you, so that's when you met right then. I remember I told him that, because I was going all in on the artist. I say, hey, bro, make sure you, you know what I mean? You covered, you know what I'm saying? But we met and, you know, we had a really good bond.

You know, it's a good, good brother. And what, about four, maybe four years ago? Five years ago. Five years ago. Mel start making this moves, you know what I'm saying, in New York, like, meeting a lot of people and doing things, I'm like, he's like, yo, when I find something, you know what I'm saying?

Because you always kept it real with me. You know, like, even when he went to go get a job, he was like, yo, I need you to call these folks and tell him this thing is real, you know what I said? But you know, once I find something, I'm gonna pull you in, call me. He was like, man, what you know about Bojangles? I was like, whoa, that's crazy.

I went to school in Raleigh, North Carolina. You know what I'm saying? I played basketball at St. Augustine. Bojangles kept me alive Shit, that Boberry biscuit Oh, come on now Come on now That Boberry biscuit

ain't no joke It kept me alive You know what I'm saying Like ate that shit And I was And I never even heard of Bojangles coming from Indianapolis Indiana where I'm from

I got down there I was like the thing And it was two minutes From my campus You know so When he called me With the opportunity I was like

Hell yeah I'm in You know what I'm saying I was like What? We can do what? I'm in He's like all right Let me let me you know, go center down and really research and find out everything because I know you busy.

You know what I'm saying? And when I get everything and from all the information, and I'm going to put it in front of you. Here we are. And, you know, it's funny how that opportunity came to me is having the right mentors. You know what I'm saying? And network and Don A name Mike Novagratz who and Dave Barry, I got a podcast with them based on business. It's called Business Untitle. And they were actually going to, I mean, whatever, it's out there now,

they were going to buy Popeyes. And they ended up, that fell through, and they bought Bojangles because they felt like it was the next best brand. And that's how the opportunity came about. And I just started really looking into the brand. I always wanted to own something. And, like, as a kid, like, man, it'd be cool to own McDonald's. You know what I'm saying?

And it came out. We ended up buying, raised $25 million, bought 17 Bojangles, and now grew it to, 28, opening another two now, opening four this year. Oh, congratulations. 28 currently operating? Yeah, 17 in South Carolina. We opened in the first one in Florence.

That's Bain Wine and one in UGA on the campus that do ban wine. First Bojangles ever are banned wine. So beer and wine, so you can go there, you can get your beer, you get your wine, you can order off the menu and all that other stuff. But you know, like, when I tell you, this story like I'm more involved than coach you know I'm saying because coach is running a whole entire label I'm more run this it's it wasn't easy to get to this these you know I'm saying the first year we bought it the EBITR uh which is the

profit was at 2.5 million dollars when we bought it COVID hit stores closed down we was getting this crazy thing that was happening with the employees I don't know if you remember the government, if you had an unemployment, they was giving you $400 on your check if you left. So we was getting employees that worked for two weeks, quit, get our $500 from unemployment, and the government gave them $400 extra. So we had so much turnover. Now we got over 1,000 employees, which 80% of them is black.

You know what I'm saying? And like we was getting 200 people turning over. Then we had to shut down stores. So the EBITI went from like 2.5 million to like a million eight, which that trips every alarm with the bank. So it was like, oh, my God, we just like dropped the ball on this. Had to restructure, had a bad partner, coach warned me about. We got rid of him.

And our restructure hired a guy named Rob, who's the CEO of the company, a CFO, Reed, Robin. and restructured the management team. And, you know, thank God, today the business is we're doing $7.9 million in EBITDA this year on track to do $9.something million next year. We're simpler every year since the fall. So I think I saw you had an 82% revenue increase

in the last three years? Yeah. So, you know, but I say that to say like being an entrepreneur, man, I always tell people like, it's 80% headaches. It's 80% stress, but that 20% be really worth it. you know what's the biggest obstacles you guys face because you hear all the time tariffs is affecting this or this is affecting the farm life you know people don't want this so they want this so what is the biggest obstacles you guys had to face in this part

I mean and in this the tariffs didn't really affect us that much you know what I'm saying but like the biggest obstacles I had to face me and coach had to face was getting the management team right people working you know what I'm saying getting people working right business you know I'm saying it's getting the management right and when you got we got almost we probably got 1100 employees you know we done had fights at the store we don't have you see all that type of shit like and you really be like please don't be my store because you get sued you know I'm saying but I tell you one of the great moments I had when uh you know and it happens a lot but this was the first great moment I had you know I

have to go check out the store so I went somewhere in South Carolina and They got the store pretty nice, ready. And, you know, we hire a lot of ex-cons. We give second chances, like, just people like us. I'm a high school dropout, kicked out. So we hire people like ourselves that just we want to give opportunities to. And I went there, and they had this store, like, super ready. They ain't know what I look like.

And this one dude, he came up to me. He had just came out, like, maybe a year ago, and he'd been working there. And he still works there. I can't remember his name. And he was like, man, you know, I thought coach came up. was the guy from Duke. That's what he said. And he said, and they told me the boss,

the other boss was coming from New York, man. We was scared. We thought it was like, you know, a white corporate guy. Like, you like me. And I'm like, yeah, nigga, I'm just like you. Like, you don't even understand how much I'm like you. And he gave me a hug.

You know what I'm saying? And he was like, man, it's just good to see this. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, yo, if I could do this, you could really do this. because I had no, I don't even know how I did this. I just did it with God, you know what I'm saying, did it with God, did it with coach,

had the right friends, the right mentors, and, like, networking is everything. And, like, you know, you could be a good networker, but if you only networking in Flatbush, you only going to meet people from Flatbush. You know what I'm saying? So you got to get outside your comfort zone and really, like, network with people like yourself.

People like, you know, I hired you for a party, like 15 years ago. I was throwing events in the lab. You remember that on Fulton? In Brooklyn? Yeah, in Brooklyn. Yeah. So I've been... What you were charging them?

He charged me like 40 grand back then. No, yeah. Definitely, that wasn't me. I guess that was not me. I can't remember. But, you know, so I've just been, like, networking my whole life. And I don't treat networking as, like, I want to network with people that I feel I could be friends with.

You know what I'm saying? I'm way past that stage where I got to, like, be around somebody I don't like. just to make it, make something happen. So, like, coach my brother, we're going to do bojangles together. You know what I'm saying? So for kids, man, it ain't easy. It's really, really, really hard.

Every day it feels like, and I'm sure y'all know that. I heard you got a couple of... Yeah, me and my wife, we got two... We bought six, but we got two that are currently operating in South Carolina. That's pretty bad. One in the Orangeburg and one of Walterboro, Crystal.

Crystal. Crystal. It's like... Like burgers, right? Yeah, like sliders. Yeah, we should. We should talk on that, you know what I'm saying, because we got a lot of spaces like in boat.

We could do burgers, we can't do chicken. Okay. It works perfectly. That's a conversation. So we could definitely have a conversation. But congrats on that, man. All right. Thank you, brother.

Yes, sir. Is there a certain area, like location, like in the South or wherever that you see that your businesses work better than others? So the Carolinas, number one, like South Carolina. Stop telling the secrets, man. Tell them someplace else. No, that's for Bojangles. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they're bringing Bojangles to New York right now, and they offer me the opportunity to do it. And I think it's going to do great. But I say, yo, I'm not rich enough to do that. Like, I'm going to let somebody else take the chance. See how it goes and then do it. Because New York, the labor is real high. The rent is real high.

But the volume is real high, too. So me and coach looked at it and say, you know what, we just sit these first five out, let somebody else do it and see I go, but they come into New York, but like for Bojangles. LA, too, same way. Yeah. Why do Carolinas go?

I mean, Bojangles is just religion in the Carolinas. Like, you know what I'm saying? I never really heard of the brand until my friends bought it and I really started digging into it, but like, they don't want to hear nothing but Bojangles. So it's like, Bojangles is, I mean, you know,

it's religion out there. It's like Chick-fil-A in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? So I went to school. I'm from Indianapolis, man. I never even heard of Bojangis. When I got down to North Carolina, that was like, that was it. But no KFC, you know what I'm saying? I mean, literally, it was KFC, it was churches, right?

Popeyes, I don't even think was in Raleigh yet. You know what I'm saying? Popeyes wasn't even there, but it was churches, KFC, right? I mean, literally right across the street from each other. Man, Bojangles line state, I'm talking about booked. For real. Man, that Cajun Chicken Filet biscuit with some egg on it, man. with a bowberry biscuit and them big ass browns.

Oh, my God. No biscuits beat us, bro. I don't think so. It's the best biscuit in the game, for real. I agree. So, yeah, it's the Carolinas. It's strong, anywhere in the South. They got, I think they got a thousand locations altogether,

and it's strongly in the South. They start to move up this side now, and I'm gonna see how that go, but it's a really good brand. The food is good. I'm actually happy it's not in New York, because I would eat it every day. every day. You know what I'm saying?

For people who want a franchise, does it make sense to only own one franchise if you don't have enough capital to buy, you know, several of them? It do make sense if you are going to work and operate it yourself every day. Because we don't operate it. We're the managing partners. You know what I'm saying? We got it, like I said, a CEO's great CFO and a thousand other people under them. So that's why I got the ability to be in New York coach, got the ability to be in Atlanta

and running shit. But it makes sense if you are going to run it. Because if the banks see you run it and you make it money, they're going to extend money to you. And, well, a strong brand like a Bojangles, you may only have to put 30% down. You know what I'm saying? And if they see you growing and you know the business,

it make a lot of sense. So do you leave music at all now? Like, you say, F this music thing now? Too much of a headache and I'm just going to stay as a... Nah, for me, I love music. I really, really do. But more than anything, like, why I'm going into this streaming world is because I find so much, I was a youth once, you know what I'm saying?

And I find so much, like, you learn so much from them, you know what I'm saying? So I want to stay part of that world where you keep learning, you know? So for me, this is how I really did Bojangles and real estate in a few different things because my dream coming up was to be Dame Dash, JZ, you know, those guys inspired me coming up. coach k now i never made it to where coach k is in music and i'm okay with that but i i was like you know what i am making really good money did a lot of deals made some money i need to diversify and make sure even if i don't hit that success in music which is my number one passion i'm having 32 bow jangles restaurants you know i'm saying i'll still be able to feed my

family i still have a couple buildings i still you know so like invest in whoop and different things that I did and that's why we did the podcast because I was like I got I met these two guys Mike Novagrats and Dave Barry who are very very successful guys but and coach knows them well we all brothers you know I'm saying they Mike is worth a lot coach is worth a lot I mean Dave is worth a lot than anything that's been my college for the last last highest education I had in a real way is 15 years old you know I'm saying and I learned so much much from them of like if you focus on one thing and you want it and you make other money put it into other things and almost forget about it you know i'm saying so i got a lot of opportunities to

invest in a lot of different things because of networking and meeting people and just being genuine so like i love music it's my passion i didn't get the success that coach got you know i'm saying so but i wasn't going to chase that for the rest of my life what about you coach you uh dealing with all this and attitudes and... I'm still in it, man. I mean, it's... I have my... And I wake up some days, like, I hate this shit, but...

Two of your groups, don't F with each other, and then they get back together, then they don't mess with each other. But you know, Envy, I'm a creative at heart, man. Like, like, even building the business, I never did it for the money, man. You know what I'm saying? I just...

I'm a creative, and I want to be the best. You know what I'm saying? So I'm always... I was always chasing that, you know, like, trying to be the best. You know what I'm saying? So with that, you know, you do good work, keep your head down,

keep your face clean, you know, eventually, you know, the finances came. But even with that man, I was like, shit, I gotta start diversifying my portfolio in business too, you know? So, you know, when this opportunity came, I was like, hell yeah. And like he said, like Mike and Dave, his brother, he introduced me to them, I met them,

and they're some good guys that like, just really gives us really good game, you know, like being in school. You know, and a lot of opportunities that have came from that. But, yeah, I'm still in music, man. Like, I still love it, you know. Who's on QC now?

You know, but before you said, there's a lot of people who thought that y'all backed away after that $300 million. Not, man. Lots of people thought y'all cashed out and was like, you know, we're good. Nah, hell, no, we didn't. We actually doubling down, man, you know,

with this, the business shifted. Like, I've been in this business 28 years now in the music business. this shit shift so many times and you know about every 10 years it's a real shift to happen you know I'm saying and we just saw that we're going through it right now and you know we got some new young talent that we develop in that super excited about but to answer your question who's still on QC oh baby still on QC Yadi still on QC JT still from from the old you know JT still on QC

Quavo still on QC all set still on QC you know So everybody's still there and building and then it's new, you know, we got new talent that we're developing. You know what I mean? So, yeah. I love offset new album, man, but I just feel like it should be bigger. Like, I really feel like, I don't even know who, who's he signed to? UC and who? Motown capital. Motown capital. Somebody got to be doing. But you know, it's still a weekend. It's only. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's Back to School Week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants. wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app.

Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories.

I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Festi Club Podcast Season 4 is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex.

No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is The Diva of the People.

The Diva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley.

And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love. Friendship, heartbreaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Tura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A week. It feels like... No, but even that song with Jen, that's been out for a little second.

I feel like... Folks don't be caring after a week. I didn't realize it's only a week. Yeah, me too. Because people really starting to talk about it a lot now. The label will be lying. The label will be like, it's not about the first week. Yes, it is.

I don't do nothing for the people artists after the first week. But it feels like his album was out for a while because we've been talking about it so long, but we're still in the first week of it. It is about the first week, but we gotta get off of that. Yeah, I agree. You know what I'm saying? Because that's the thing, like,

these bodies of work have, is really good music on there. And we sold mind-fucked, you know what I'm saying, in custom, what the first week numbers look like. So if a first week number come out and it's low, then we forgot about it. Let's go to the next one. And that's really messed up,

because these projects really are good, you know what I'm saying so I just want to lead that there you know another problem too is is and I hate to say it but I feel like music comes so fast right yeah it's all the saturated right now I'm still on clips album and I'm still on offset album yeah I didn't really get a chance to dive in a Jid album yet you see what I didn't get a chance to somebody's crazy oh wow I gotta listen somebody told me it's difficult you know it's just a lot of music out there a lot of music to consume yeah I remember like one week it was like it was like so many albums

came was like clips and then Ray Kwan and then ghost things in this one. I was like whoa, you know what I'm saying? But I was happy because I'm a purist. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when he's clips and the Rayquins and then I looked at Burnaboy dropped, you know what I'm saying? Fucking Justin Bieber dropped it. I'd never

listened to it Justin Bieber out. This album's incredible. You know what I'm saying? Like all these records and I was just like, I was kind of overwhelmed. You know what I'm saying? The same way. You know, but I think it's just, man, I like you know, shit. What they say? 250,000 records come a day you know what i'm saying like it's just crazy you know i'm saying so i want to ask both

you all something like how important is regional identity when you're developing a global stuff it's really important i think super important that's that's the most important thing and i i think streaming messed that up you know what i'm saying where you know you own where you from you know and and and you become that you know like different slings come from different places and that's what but makes shit so great. But when the streaming happened, it was just hit the button, it was everywhere. So you felt like you didn't have to, like, own your area.

You know what I'm saying? And I think we gotta get back to that. You know what I'm saying? This West Coast, because it was a West Coast, and it was a South Coast, it was the South and the East Coast of the East, and everybody had their own identity. And now it's just kind of like,

you can't even tell no more, you know what I'm saying? And that kind of, like, mess things up. But I think we're gonna get back to it. How? Everything's so blended. It's going to be hard, you know? I don't know. See, West Coast here, they got their own,

like they stay by their sound. They're going to dance their way. They sound, but like, there's no New York sound anymore. There's no, there's like, before there was a boom bap, you knew what New York was. Now it's like, you hear all this stuff, but like, where's he from? That's a fact.

You don't feel like sexy Drew is the New York sound right now? It is, it is, but it's like how big is it getting? You know what I'm saying? It's not like, you know, I don't know how big it could go. Hopefully somebody, but it's... For music, for me, too, one of the things, one of the main reasons that I really love

this whole streaming culture is that they really, I don't know if I could say this, but I keep saying it. They really like little niggas from the street, you know what I'm saying? I'm really like a guy from the street. Like I, everything you could think of I went through. You know what I'm saying? I've been shot, I've been through a lot of stuff. and like that was one of the things for me with music

I was just getting burnt out of. You know what I mean? Artists out and came through that got murdered. Like King Vaughn and them, I didn't really even know them. I knew his manager. I was in the studio with them trying to sign him the night before all of that happened.

And then the next day, four of the guys or three of the guys I met in the studio got murdered. So I just was like, you know, coming up and trying to like do something different and keep running into like this violence and music. And like for music, you got to be tough.

It was a rapper in here. You got to be here with seven niggas and they got to be tough. Even if it ain't nothing to be tough about. So for me, watching this streaming culture and watching these content creators who talk the same, who just as cool,

but they'll tell you straight up, bro, we're not into that violent shit. For me, that just feel good to be a part of. And I hope it lasts. And that's the drill music, like, you know, I love New York, but the drill music, like, you got to be or act violent

or you gotta, you know what I'm saying? You gotta be dark for it to work. Yeah. So it's like that was another thing that for me, I straight away because it was just like, damn, I'm almost 40. I'm like, I'm kind of cool on that. And I don't want the kids to be on that no more.

We're a little hard on the drill artist, though. We grew up on trap. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I mean? We grew up on Crunk. Like, the New York music was super gangster and violent. Like, we're a little bit hard on drill artists. Like, that wasn't our era too.

No, no, it was. It was. but it's just so what I'm saying is I'm gonna come out shooting and kill him too too it's like we're just older now yeah but no and this is the thing right I definitely

I support anybody who's trying to make it I'm just saying if I see a way where I could get kids to like understand they can make it without doing that I want to support me I want to put myself more behind that because I know what it feels like

to be shot in the face I know what it feels like to go through all that I just my cousin's shot out to my cousin he just died three weeks ago he got murdered so it's like i got over 300 friends that's been murdered throughout my life so it's just like yeah i supported it and it's part of our dna because we grew up like almost like real glorifying violence absolutely if i see a way that i'm like you know what these kids ain't really doing that let me get behind that and see if i could kind of guide them and i think that's the main thing it's a matter of and you know you felt like people lived that life

right yeah and nowadays i was watching some interview the kid was like no i just make it up yeah i never shot a gun i just make it up it sells most of them make it up bro like come on man it's it's just like when trap music we came like you said we came up on trap music most come on let's let's be clear i used i used preach this all the time my artists coming to me i'm like bro this is not real you know what i'm telling me like i remember this one is i don't i ain't gonna say no name but we in the studio was when we first started a qc they was I read off on the plug or this, da, that, to that, that.

You know what I'm saying? And he says something, and I said, bro, how many grams is in the kilo? Right. He was just looking. I said, why are you talking about this? That's real. You know what?

He wrote his song now. That's hilarious. No, but it's just, you know what I mean? Like, but that was different compared to what's happening right now. With the drill shit, and again, I love, I support, you got to make your living. You know what I'm saying?

You got to get your mom's out, the projects you got whatever it is but now they don't live it right but when they make it the music and they get so good at it what's the next thing I really got to live I got to fake it yeah I got I really got to shoot somebody I really got to get that nigga shot I remember you had the artist who was at the video shoot one of the little guys that I think you were assigned he was like y'all this kid and I was like not this kid I'm looking at him like yo he's a wild one And then, like, a couple weeks later, I'm looking on the blogs. He just got picked up, did it, and I was like, what the hell?

This kid I had from Arkansas, he in jail for 20 years. Damn. His friend who he came here, I signed him where he got double life plus 37 years. I'm like, how would you even give somebody that much time? Double life plus 37 years? Yeah, I hate when judges do that. Just say it forever, man. Just say forever.

You just mentally trying to, like, mess with me. You know what I'm saying? but for me, that was, it's still a big thing, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, I ain't removed from the streets completely, but if I could help, move from the streets and get money ways, but I'm talking about, like, you know, my people, if I could help them, like, see a different way where it's like, we don't got to, like, you know what I'm saying?

Glorify the violence. I'm all for that. I want to ask you all the same question about franchising. How important is regional identity when it comes to franchising? Because, you know, Bojangos coming to New York, chick-fil-in New York, it don't hit the same for me coming. from the south. Chick-fil-A did.

Chick-fil-A did. Because y'all not used to it. I was excited at first. I can't imagine Bojangles in New York. That's what I'm saying. When I fly at home, there's certain things. I'm from New York. No, I'm from Delaware, but I got a lot of family.

Uh-huh. That's why. I have a lot of family from down south, and I only know of Bojangles from when I'm down south. Like, I know literally when you're driving, when you hit certain areas because you see Bojang. And you look forward to it. Yeah, and you go to LA, you look forward to end and out. If I'm in Florida, I look forward to the liquor. But if in and out came here, it would be a line for 20 days.

Absolutely, absolutely. And Chick-fil-A. You're still a line of Chick-fil-A. Let me tell you. It's still a line. Chick-fil-A and all this stuff because I'm in it, right? Chick-fil-A average unit volumes is $7 million. That's the average and worst they do.

Our average unit volumes is $2.9 million. I got one store. We got one store that's doing $5 million, which is amazing, right? Chick-fil-A average store does $7 million. It's crazy. In New York City, the average Chick-fil-A does $12. $12 million. Yes.

Yeah. That's, so somebody liked it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I still like having a regional identity with some of these franchises. I think they still do have regional identity. They definitely do. I think that's a Chick-fil-A come here.

The people that's lit, you know, because, let's be clear, most people from New York, lineage is from the South. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So they used to coming back and forth from the grandmama, auntie did so that, you know? So, you know, once, when it came, it's like, whoa, this is here now. here now so let's flood it you know what I'm saying because you know you're not used to getting it and once it's good yeah once it's good you know and your point you were saying earlier

about our cheap fast food used to be great point what we did with our company we created a $5 box outside of corporate outside of they can't really tell you what to do with your pricing and that $5 box our company is now comp in 12% higher than corporate and every other the franchise because you could afford it you know what I'm saying so now you everybody's running to our stores for the $5 box and my kids we do that at crystal we do a $499 crystal meal deal yeah my kids went to Popeyes the other day was $14 this was just for strips fries and a juice and I could not believe I said nah we're gonna go home and cook that's I was like I'll take the time to cook I could I could not give

Popeyes salute to Popeyes $14 and you know I got six kids you left Papi's like they had ordered What did you cook, what'd you cook? I cook burgers. How much you think the burgers are in you? See, I go to BJs and run a big box of burgers. Of course, we $22 for the big Angus burgers and put them on the thing, put the little fries in the thing, and it was good.

After 20 minutes, they had their meal. I'm a pappy that cooks, though, so, you know. If this don't work out, Bojangles at room. But you all right about that $5 price point, man. That shit changes a lot. We got a $4.99 meal deal for, I think it's what, two crystal burgers, a small fry, a drink then we got a breakfast meal deal for two for five dollars yeah bro you can't

get food for five dollars nowhere that's right so when you could and it's good you know people are running I'm like this is crazy with 12 comp and 12% higher and I'm sure you've seen since you did that it just went crazy because let's be real times is real rough right now beef patty four dollars right oh my god that's crazy see where you getting your beef patty from though. Bodega. Where do you go to Bodega? They said, Bojanga.

Like, damn. Bojango got beat by this. What now? We might in Flatbush. That's the first one coming to Flatbush. I wanted to ask, you know, back to me, I know you still deal with Yadi. What were your thoughts when I feel like everybody was attacking Yadi? And I feel like when sometimes we do things wrong as a community, instead of having a conversation,

we attack and we like to cancel. And obviously he had a conversation and went back and apologized. So what was your thought when you heard Yadi's line? Did you call him? Actually, I hadn't even talked to him until I seen, because he's in Australia on tour with, you know, so, and I was, I was just in Southeast 8, so we was kind of, we missed each other until every,

like him and Stephen had a conversation, you know what I'm saying? But like, when I heard, I was like, you know, me and Stephen, we were real cool, you know, I was like, I'm gonna put them together. But it happened naturally because Jadi, you know, if he makes a mistake, you know what I'm saying, the kid is so he's just a really good person and he's free you know what I'm saying and sometimes you know a lot of these they just don't be thinking you know so he's just

going writing the line come out and then he gets to the backlash you know he's smart he's like I'm gonna hit him personally you know what I'm saying they talk personally which everything was cool you know he bossed up did what he need to do talk to him like a man they did that and now it's gone you know but I mean a lot of times I think you know He's artists have free will, man. And sometimes in the internet, they're just writing and thinking and not thinking about, you know, everything else. You know what I'm saying?

They can come with it. And I don't think he was attacked. People used it at a moment to teach. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I watched the documentary that you guys did with JT when she first came home. And it showed how, like, I'm also too, a little baby's documentary.

You guys are almost, it's such a family or felt like such a family at QC. No, it's still a family. Okay, so it is still. Man, it's family-oriented, man. That's how we run our business. Because I'm just wondering now, like, how the dynamic works because it's just JT. And are you guys still, I do still see, like, young Miami talking about you guys sometimes, too. No, no, no, we still, our relationship, like, we still have a great relationship.

I've seen Miami, we text each other. Everything is still cool. It's just at the time where she wanted to go with her career, just things didn't match her work, you know. So it was like, hey, I'm not going to never hold nobody back. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. If that's what you want to do, you free, you know, free will you can go, you know, and explore any you want to do. It's still love too.

Did it break your hearts though? Because I think we were all waiting for them to have that big major run together. It didn't break my heart because I've been in the game a long time and I know people grow apart. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just to be real. That's why I think a lot of, if you look in the business, we were the only ones out there with groups.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody was scared of groups. I mean, I mean, I used to get, man, you're crazy. You don't do a group. But I think that's what, that was our sweet spot. You know what I'm saying? So, it isn't. break my heart just because hip hop raised me and I watched and studied you know music you know what I'm saying and I mean eventually people are going to grow apart you know what I'm saying and we worked hard at it you know and who knows one day it may happen again you know what I'm saying but like yeah people just grow apart how did the

untimely passing of takeoff I mean that impact me to this day still you know what I'm saying like takeoff was probably one of the nicest humble like any artists I ever work with you know I'm saying like he just was it's God's child man you know what I'm saying like for real and um that moment man I'm still messed up out of that moment man it's even hard to talk about it you know what I'm saying me just because you know huh yeah it's a hard one bro absolutely absolutely does it feel safer well you know we got him up there too with it's funny you You said, God, Chalk, but he got the halo over it. Oh, wow, that's dope.

It's a fire room, man. Thank you, man. Does it feel safer to invest in franchises over people? Yeah. I ain't gonna lie to you, yeah, man. I mean, in a way, you still invest in people, right? Because like I said, we went down

because we didn't have the right people. We got the right people, and those people, like, made the business work much better. So, like, but overall, absolutely and it's crazy like like Larry Larry Monroe good friend of mine in yours he told me you got these QSR restaurants and I was like that's dope because like as a people like we need to understand how like it's a lot of money in it you know I'm saying that we just don't know like we got it's 32

restaurants that makes us the number one black QSR franchise owners which is great service restaurant but look at this I got a friend one of my really, really close friends who also helped me, won't say his name, but they got 700 and something, Popeyes and Burger Kings. They're not even in the top six. Wow. So look at that, right?

Being black is a huge accomplishment, and I'm so thankful to be part of it, but 32 puts us at number one. 700 don't put him at number five, six. So it's just like so many of these businesses is that, one, it's hard for us to get into because I wouldn't have got in if I didn't have those mentors.

I wouldn't even think about it. Coach wouldn't have got in if it wasn't for me. So it's just like, when I hear you was doing it, I'm like, damn, that's dope. You got some good guidance, or you just really map it out. And it's like, that's something that can last forever. For your kids, kids, kids, kids.

These people, I'm talking about, I got 600, they had it for three generations already. So it's just like, for us, it is better than investing. and something like that than people, but you invest in the right people, like, Lo Baby, there's that, you know, Yadi, and coach hit it four or five times.

I don't even think Rockefeller hit it as much as QC did it. Like, nobody really did it like them. So it's just like, but how many shots you took? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to answer that question, I think it is more safer to invest in QSR, especially something that's established already

because you could get behind something that's not established and it blow up or it don't. And more times than less it don't blow up because being an entrepreneur and business is really hard. I know that. I think both. Because I mean, like I said, my 28 years

of my career existence in music has been investing in people. I'm just a learning now, you know, the other business. You know what I mean? Like, for real, for real. I got to say and I always say like damn you know being in the business so long and investing people I'm like

well I got to give me something that don't talk back you know what I'm saying? No just being for real you know so that's when I start diversifying and looking in investments in different things you know what I'm saying because I was so lasered in like locked in with music you know what I'm saying like I'm a creative so it's like I never even looked outside of that until like a couple

years ago like you know let me start you know as I'm getting older, you know, I probably won't be able to do this forever. You know what I'm saying? It's being real. So let me just start, you know, looking at my options, you know what I mean? Was there like a something that happened

that made you think about that? It was literally just you reflecting on like... Three years old, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to do music and chase artists and, you know, forever, you know what I'm saying? So, and, you know, I have children. I have a family, you know, I came up in poverty, you know,

So I want to change the way that looks for my children and my grandchildren, you know. So let me start diversify. A lot of the artists you've worked with, too, there's always like an entrepreneurial spirit about them. And y'all empowered them to do that too. I mean, I'm telling you, developing an artist, you turn them into a brand. You know what I'm saying? And me being a manager for so long, you know, I only ate off the ancillary. I never ate off the product.

I ate off the ancillary. And the ancillary is all the businesses built around the artist. So when you build an artist, it's like, okay, my, soon as I signed an artist, I'm like, yo, so how big do you want to go? You know, I said, my goal is to turn you into a brand. Are you ready for that? You know, I want to turn you into a brand and everything you touch, all the ancillary that you think, you know, you like this, you like that. Let's turn that into a business where you control and you own, you know, so. I like having y'all love here, man, and having this conversation because when people see, it's inspiring.

like there's so many people that look like us that don't even know things like this are possible you know what I mean like franchising like I it's something I always wanted to do thinking about like what E class was doing and now for sure you know and how did you get into Don Poole yeah Don Poole yeah don't he's trying to get ran up on he got to diversify no I got it I was watching people like with brothers but I got into it because of the two chains because you know two chains became the head of creative marketing for Crystal yeah oh wow and then I saw a little Duval little Duval was down that Duval day with all the Crystalberg and I'm like damn I see Crystal in a minute I just asked him what you get that from and he that's when he told me about two chains and I'm like oh two chains that had a creative marketist I hit up chains in tech I'm like yo man I want to talk about just seeing what's up with crystal and they plug me right in that's crazy they plug me right in and it just made sense my team was like yo let's do it you know what we do for brands as a culture like it's it's crazy like even Rick Ross I don't know Rick Ross but like you know wing stop when Rick Ross got wing stop

wing stop was trading it like three times a multiple So that mean if the EBITI's $2 million, the most you could sell it for is $6 million. I don't know if it's Rick Ross, but between that time and now, Ringstop is trading it nine times. That's crazy. You gotta give Ross a lot of credit for that.

That's what I'm saying. I wasn't even thinking about Winkstop before, Rob. Nobody was thinking about it. So it's like, again, between him, you know, it's nine times now. That's insane. So it's like we add a lot of value

to shit that we don't own a lot of times. You know what I'm saying? So I don't own Bojangles, but I'm going to own these restaurants and I'm going to help build it up. You know what I'm saying instead of just like taking some money to help promote them. That's right. So it's like, you know, again, I want to preach to these kids like you gotta own something. You gotta own son and congrats on the crystals. Thank you, brother.

That's big. Same to y'all, man. It's inspiring. You're talking, 28 currently operating 32 coming? Oh, that's incredible. To open next week, one on the campus of UGA. That one. That's the band wine runner.

Wow. And the first one downtown Florence. You know, so yeah, we're excited about that. Where you from? Are you closer from Florence? I was born in Charleston. I was born in Charleston. So most corner is like 30 minutes from Charleston.

Okay, so you're on that side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, low country. Yeah. Thank you guys for joining us. Man, appreciate you guys for having us, man. Keep encouraging, keep pushing. I got one last question. I know, coach, I know you're on the road all the time.

I know you probably never home. I see you on the road. When are you going to sell me that eat, 30 M3 convertible that you have. Coach has a car I've been trying to buy for the longest time. He won't want to sell it to me. Why don't you sell me that car? He should have bought it.

He was supposed to, it was his car. It was. You know, and then. I was being cheap. My business partner, it was, I remember it's 2018, and we just renegotiated. And it was my birthday, and he was like, I was on the computer looking at the car. And my assistant at the time, he was like, hey, what was that car that coach was looking at? because I always just be on the computer.

And she went in my thing and gave it to him. You know what I'm saying? He's like, man, pull up to the studio. I pulled up to the studio. They backed that thing outside. Wow. Backed it off the damn trailer. I was like, but.

I should have bought it. When I got it and he sees like, man, you know, that was my car. I was supposed to, because the car said New York, said New Jersey. Come out of Long Island. Long Island. Long Island, came my Long Island. You know, it's crazy. I just got over cars.

I sold him my Rose Royce. I always told me I got a good deal. I guess I did. Never been into it. I'd rather buy a crystal. That's what I'm saying. I like that. I just love business car.

I'm in New York. I had three cars and I was taking Uber's everywhere. But the cars we buying is a little different. They go up in value. That cause, yeah, the cars we buy. Because I used to be on you. I used to be on you. And listen, you're driving around Brooklyn and it's Bentley,

ice blue Bentley. Then you got a culling in. I'm like, what are you doing? You can't even drive in New York. I guess it should be no real. Like, you got a thousand. cars, though. Vintage.

I got to do this. I don't know if y'all allowed to. Grace collection. Allow me to give a shout out. But I got a shout out my daughter Milan and a Hampton University crew that's listening. H.U. That's right.

The real H.U. The real H.U. Where is she? She's a junior right now. How she like it? She love it. She chose, I wanted to go to Howard, but she made the right choice.

She made the right choice. As long as she had a HBCU, she good. Shout out to my little sister. You know, Mike Novo, Ben Black, Stephen Manicharian, Rhonda Omar, and all the people that really help me. You know, it's a lot more, but I just want to shout them out. They really play a big role in my life.

All right. Well, Coach Kay, Mel Carter. Yes, indeed. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Hold on. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.

It's a breakfast club. Are you all finished or y'all's done? Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, ultra-light, ultra-powerful, and built for

serious productivity with Intel core ultra-processors, blazing speed, and AI-powered performance. It keeps up with your business, not the other way around. Whoa, this thing moves. Stop hitting snooze on new tech. Win the tech search at Lenovo.com. Unlock AI experiences with the ThinkPad

X1 Carbon powered by Intel Core Ultra processors, so you can work, create, and boost productivity all on One device. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll

find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe.

how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast, Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19-year-old Lechay Dungey. But she never knocked on that door.

She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips.

And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeart Radio app.

Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. This is an IHeart podcast.