The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Crystal Smith & Tameka Raymond Talk Bold and Bougie, Usher, Ne-Yo, Parenting + More

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

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wake that ass up early in the morning the breakfast club morning everybody it's dj envy jess hilarious charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club we got some special guests in the building from bold and bougie crystal renee and tamika foster welcome ladies hey y'all hey what's up good morning what a title bold and bougie i mean you know yeah i mean yeah like did y'all um did all y'all know each other before y'all started because it's it's uh crystal it's tamika it's malaysia malaysia and princess princess lofton i always mess it up okay baby lofters sorry princess my bad boo you know i love you sorry did y'all know each other? Like, we all friends? I knew of Malaysia. We've been to some birthday parties together,

but it was my first time meeting all the ladies. Yeah, well, Princess and I were cool. She tried to get me on Housewives a few seasons. I don't know. I thought it was going to be messy, but I guess it's still messy where we are. Some type of way. Jumped out of the grease into the fire pan.

So what is Bold and Bougie about, if we haven't seen it? I mean, I think all reality shows have the same premise. They follow the lives of each of the cast. So they just follow us around each of our different lives. Like, she owns a restaurant. I have a clothing business, and I have books, and this and that. And they follow us, and then they have us come together and argue about shit we don't know that we're arguing about. Reality time.

They just make up, yeah. I'm like, why did you say? Why were you late to my event? Because I'd be like, because my name ain't on the cake. come together and argue about shit we don't know that we're arguing about. They just make up, yeah. Why did you say, why were you late to my event? Because I'd be like, because my name ain't on the cake. It's not my event. It's not my birthday. Like, it's that kind of thing. So why'd y'all decide to do it? Because if y'all knew it was going to be beefing and, you know what they're going to put on TV? They ain't going to put the nice stuff.

They ain't going to put your restaurant pack. They ain't going to put your cold drawn selling out. They did a good job of showcasing our business and stuff like that. But for myself, I did it because, like, I'm getting back out here. I'm, you know, a single mom. And so I'm getting to my bag, period. And that's it.

That's all. My only focus. My bag, period. So why didn't you, you know how some wives, they choose to keep the last name of the husband. Why didn't you keep the last name Smith? Well, he's not known as Neal Smith. And that's my kid's last name. he's not known as neo smith and those are my kids that's my kid's last name so it was an easy decision yeah well i mean people didn't know his name

though he's not known and that's not what they call him but people do know his last name why you didn't keep raymond i keep i still use raymond it's easier it's easier to use raymond but on social media i dropped it because they would be on my page like, he got rid of you. He signed them papers. You got to love your life with them. But my kids have the same name. My passport. It's just so much to change that stuff. Your credit cards, your bank accounts, your passport, your social security.

Who got that kind of time? I don't got time to be in line everywhere like, social media want me to change my name. The only black community really trip off of that. Yeah. Think about it. We'd be mad. That's because they're fans of the artist.

So they think that we took their husbands and it's just, tell us more about these niggas. I like when people had those conversations. No, seriously though. It's only the black community that like flip out over because you'll see the Hilton's and people like that. They'll keep the same last name.

It doesn't matter. It matches their children. Yeah. Black people be so worried about your last name. And it becomes your brand after a while. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to let that go for social media. I got you.

I also think people always want drama. So if they think y'all not together, they think you keeping the last name. To hold on to his. Yeah, that's right. I didn't hold on to nothing. At all. Yeah. Except he's cheering. That's it. That's right. That's to his. Yeah, that's right. I didn't hold on to nothing. At all. Yeah. Except he's cheering.

That's it. That's right. That's all I, yeah, that's it. Well, congratulations on your restaurant business, girl. Thank you for all. And the first episode

of Bold and Bougie. You doing music? Girl, no. You rapping? You rapping, man. No, that's something I do for fun. You know, you've heard

some of my stuff. I've heard some of yours. Yes, I have. Yeah. They played with that scene. They played hard with that. It was nasty work. So you're not taking it serious.

No, it was just something I do for fun to let off steam. Yeah. Okay. But you got a name and everything, VVS. What's up? Well, Eric Bresler gave me that name, so I mean, why not ride with it? VVS. VVS.

VVS. Oh, okay. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Jesus. I thought she was about to really, really drop something.

Nah. Nah. She made a single. did i got i got like a hella songs like yeah and you so you're that's something that you're never gonna do i don't i don't think i mean i'm 37 i mean you know so i don't want to be like geriatric rapper yeah i was freestyling on there too i have so many things that are on my plate right now that music is just like, you know, it's a slow build to making money, and I need the bag to come quicker than that. Does reality TV help or hurt, like the overall brand of everything? So the reason why I even agreed to do it is because I have a clothing line, Eli Kish, and then, of course, my books.

And so I was hoping, here I stand in white bras and now I have an animated book coming out soon and so I was really hoping that it would really spotlight my businesses and I think it did a little bit yeah it did a little bit I just think that they didn't get the like they want the drama of it so like I had a fashion show for example and we had too much power running so the generator I mean the lights went down for a second they highlighted that five seconds of the lights going down like it was a did they not pay their bill

I'm like come on it was at an art gallery in Buckhead it was fine and it was nice but they made it seem like instead of showing the clothes and how beautiful the models were and all that they didn't focus on any of that it was a really nice show it was a great show and the clothes were banging of course so it hurts it didn't hurt it just didn't help it was like damn now we put all that money into the

fashion show and you know selecting the models and the makeup and the hair and you guys want to show the five seconds that the lights went out that yeah that's what you wanted to focus on because y'all ever like have meetings or is it like complaints or somewhere that y'all can be like, what about my text? The group chat, girl. Let me tell you this one with the group chat, we get a, we get a message every day and it is 10 pages long. I don't read none of that.

I love you. I do not respond to the group chat. Take me out of it. I go off. I be giving whole dissertations about life. It's to me. Get a seven minute voice voice no person no she don't need a voice no she will write you you think she likes

to write i'm a writer she will write chapters but i think that it's all i'm memorializing check this out we are bigger than this we're above this i was like my brand is not that you know what i mean but i mean i mean when you answer into something like that, you know what you're signing up for. So I think it's up to the individual on how you conduct yourself and how you handle yourself. Like for me, I feel like it was a benefit to me because, you know, I don't really speak out. I don't really do all that kind of stuff. So it was able to showcase like who I am as a person and my morals and my standards and how I am. So it worked out for me actually very well.

We really started out rocky on the show because this is the thing I'm friends with her ex-husband first I don't know you confusing me what I know

you're friends with the ex-husband's ex-fiance I'm friends with Monyetta because we did a show years ago and I'm just loyal like that so that's my girl because we did a show years ago and she's I'm just loyal like that so when I met her she was she was drunk

oh yeah oh god she's not petty no she wasn't petty she was just being a real she was just being a real ass bitch to me

I respected it but of course that was a moment that they were gonna blow up and they made that a big deal I just said hi

I said hi I'm Tamika I was like I'm friends with Mo so you know who I am like put I'm friends with Mo. So you know who I am. Put a face with the name, whatever. And they made it like, do, do, do. Let's go to commercial. It was some drama. I was just like, I'm just telling her

I'm friends with Mo. But it's the way they amplified it. They had the music and the awkward pause where her mouth was like, she looked like she was shocked. And they gave you shots before that shot. Did they? But actually, she's like she was shocked and then he gave you shots before that shot did they but actually she's like one of my favorite people on the show

like we hang out in real life but y'all date celebrities again since your life is so out there like they pick and part everything that you guys do I think I want us me and that sit behind a desk I think I'm over it the whole lifestyle

I'll take the forefront you sit in the back would you date a bus driver sit behind a desk. I think I'm over it. Just over it. The whole lifestyle. I'll take the forefront you sit in the back. Would you date a bus driver? Oh, no. Why not? I don't know. I think just a decent person. I have three kids. I'm a single mother and my bills, the salary does not cover my bills and

it's not for me. Then again, when you say why his salary got to cover your bills, you should be able to cover your bills. I already know what the... it's not for me. Then again when you say why his salary gotta cover your bills? You should be able to cover your bills. I already know what the I'm just thinking about it. I just know what the people are gonna say. Where you live at? I live in Atlanta. Atlanta. Let me see the model bus driver make in Atlanta.

She already said no. What'd it say? No shade. Right. It's just not your preference. Okay y'all. 12 to 30 an hour. School bus drivers make between $24,000 and $53,000 a year. The average salary for a bus driver is $19.11 per hour, but they got benefits. Oh, bad. They got benefits.

They got benefits. I got my own benefits. Okay. Who's all the bus drivers out there? It doesn't sound beneficial. I appreciate you if Crystal doesn't. No shade, but you know. I would date a bus driver if he on the... If he on the bus? I appreciate you if Crystal doesn't no shade but you know

I would date a bus driver if he owned if he owned a bus okay shouts out to Ebony I want to shout out Carlos King too what's up Carlos for bringing us together Black Owned Production Company

Kingdom Rain Entertainment so you guys got to catch up on our show it's all black now I think Carlos for bringing us together. Black, Black, Kingdom rain, entertainment, all the raindrops. So you guys got to catch up on our show. It's all black. Now I think they moved it over, you know, cause we finished our season. Um,

hopefully we're gearing up for season two. Why didn't we bring it back? I think they will bring it back. No, those are just like the reruns. So you can see it. Yeah. I think they got it.

They is living on all black. Yeah. I want to ask you about your book. Uh, here I stand. Interesting it. They is living on all black. Yeah. I want to ask you about your book. Uh, here I stand. Interesting title. Uh, because someone could say it's just a cliche term.

All one could say, I should also named his album. Here I stand. That's right. So why did you decide to name it here? I think, well, here I stand.

You remember that was a time where people were really in love and, you know, uh, having their first child and all kinds of stuff. And the album was dedicated to me, if you read the credits and all that. And I was very kind of instrumental in the album, which kind of flopped. So I guess that's my musical taste. I want to come back to that, but finish this point.

But anyway, so here I stand. It has a double entendre because I've been through a whole lot. You know what I mean? I lost a child. I lost my mom. I've been through two marriages, divorces rather. And I've just had kind of a rough road. I think it started with you, Wendy.

But we'll get back to that. You and Wendy? I love her. She's saying, yeah, she's saying. I love you. You never gave her a fair shot. I don't think I was around during that time you were in the studio when I did my radio

interview with her that's when that was the first negative press run and it just spiraled from there that was a long time ago and I was so happy to do her show I was so excited damn Sharla you know me I was in there he was there and was working

he changed what did Sharla meanall say during that interview? I mean, it was part of me getting kicked out of the studio. They kicked you out the studio? Let me explain. I met her in the Gansabord Hotel. I'm standing in the hotel. My PR friend that worked at one of the showrooms was like,

oh, have you ever met Wendy Williams? I'm from California. I had not. I'd heard of her, but I didn't know that she was like a shock jock Howard Stern black you know so I was like no and they were like yeah so she was just like this is stylist to the stars this is Tamika would you like to come on my show and I was like yes I was thinking like oh it's gonna be great for my again for my career I'm gonna be on Nework radio and i'm gonna talk about my job as a stylist well i got on there the first question was like so is that a guy gay

and does that get along with their mom it's just he started asking about all my clients yeah so she went right in with those questions and my face was like that's not why i'm here and i was did your research yeah that's your people fault. Well, I didn't have people because I met her one-on-one. And she was like be there in the morning at 7 or something. It was crack of dawn. So I was excited about the press. And it was all bad. And from there, then when I ended up.

Oh, no, that was in Philly. That was, no, on Park Avenue. When did you do that? And when she was asking you those questions, he was sitting in the corner smiling. What was he doing? Yeah, Wendy didn't do mornings. Well, whatever time it was, I was there,

and I got kicked out of the studio because the questions that she was asking, I was like, I'm not in my client's business. I would never tell it. They're paying me. I'm a stylist. And she was just like, that's not, you guys got to listen.

You got to find the interviewer. Who kicked you out? Her. She was like, they're at the door, honey. That's not you guys got to listen you got to find the interview who kicked you out her she was like there's the door honey that's not what she said she was going to give us the tea but I thought she was going to ask stuff like who had a nip slip or who was late to set or who damaged the wardrobe that kind of messy not messy

like does he talk to his mother I didn't know yeah I didn't know I just thought it was a big opportunity absolutely as anyone would think. Epic fail. He's looking it up right now. I'm looking it up. She talked about me even

in her documentary when she did the whole doc. I'm in that. She went on a tirade for many years. That was 14 years ago. Many years after that, all the media just kind of jumped on the bandwagon of, she's a man. She looks like a man. She's this.

She's ugly. She's old. So I didn't have a chance. Damn. No. Tamika? Damn, you ugly ass man. No, I'm not. Damn, Tamika. I don't want it. They call me a man having all these kids. I'm like, wait a minute.

But the title's called Here I Stand because the album was dedicated to you. So Here I Stand because I've been through a lot. And so it's about remaining in a beautiful state despite it all. Life happens. Life is going to come at you. Things are going to happen. You're going to lose people. You're going to lose love.

You're going to have heartbreak. But you have to remain in a beautiful state. So things will happen. You have to come back to being positive and just in a good space. Don't you think I'm in a beautiful state so things will happen you have to come back to being positive and just in a good space don't you think i'm in a beautiful state pretty much you know most of the time when am i not name a time see that little win when am i not you don't be in a beautiful time oh on the show well no i mean being in a beautiful state doesn't mean you won't check somebody yeah that don't mean you won't get your point off you stay ready go back then you go back to like what we're going to go eat you know I mean I'll cuss you out and be like let's go get

some spinach yeah yeah I don't stay in a in a suffering state I stay in a beautiful state was the book therapeutic for you to write oh man it was like a big diary so I just started writing it um when I first was going through a divorce I started writing it and then I put a pause on it because I was writing it from my perspective. Like I wasn't taking ownership for anything. And so once I started writing again, then I started saying like, okay, you could have done that. So I have life lessons in the book. I talk about what I did to contribute to everything. Yeah. Do you wish you never came from behind the scenes? At times. At times, I think. But it was kind of inevitable. You know what I mean? Like if you marry someone that's

in front, you tell yourself, I'm just going to play the back. I'm going to keep steaming your clothes. I'm going to be back here. But then you go one appearance and then there you are. You're on the red carpet. Then they start picking you apart. Then you have to redeem yourself because you were like, yeah, I you are. You're on the red carpet. Then they start picking you apart. And now you're out there. Then you have to redeem yourself because you were like, yeah, I didn't put oil on my feet that day. But wait till next time.

Then you end up back on the red carpet again. Then you're messed up again. So then it's just a whole snowball. Once you get out there, you're out there. You know, I saw, I was reading an article that Usher did, I think, in People magazine about a month ago. And he said he felt attacked and judged from fans. Oh, yeah. After marrying you.

It was rough. I know. This was, like, should you care what the fans think? You love who you love. Yeah. You do. But then I think it weighs on you if, like, every day, every time you open anything, it's somebody saying something bad about your wife.

You remember, he went on MTV like, shut the hell up about about her he kind of got tired of it um he was very judged very we didn't have a chance in terms of the public court of public opinion yeah you guys forgave a lot of people though because there's there were a lot of people frying y'all and going at y'all and yeah you guys showed a lot of grace was that difficult um i didn't i was cussing him out i was on twitter like i had twitter fingers bad as hell like let me tell you something you fat no i know big back yeah unbig your back and then how that right right right fix your damn edges so on the show um on the show you said that neil had never asked you hell no i know what you could ask never ever had never asked you. Hell no. I know what you're going to ask. Never ever. But if he had... No.

No. I got three babies. Clearly I did that. There's no third party. I'm not sharing my husband. Knowingly. Right, right, right. Exactly. That's exactly

what the problem was like apparently so apparently so you know so he had one of the threesome and you wouldn't give it to him that's he never asked yeah yeah I was about to say is that insulting for a man to ask

I don't think it's insulting but like I just I'm old school I'm not sharing my husband I'm not sharing ding-a-ling I'm just not doing it think it's insulting but like I just I'm old school I'm not sharing my husband I'm not sharing ding-a-ling I'm just not doing it like it's too much nasty shit in the world and I just I don't if you want something else you don't want me you know so I'm straight with

that yeah and where are you guys now because I know it was a nasty I know it got nasty you know what I'm saying the divorce I mean for him I was I was in peace yeah nasty I know it got nasty you know what I'm saying the divorce I mean for him I was in peace yeah and I'm still in peace yeah I'm in a good place in my life right now

what was the decision that made you say you know what enough's enough I need to move well what's funny is it was the breakfast club why Charlie I wasn't there Charlie no you wasn't here remember when y'all asked him the question, would he be okay

not knowing if his partner was cheating? He was like, I would live in a blissful bubble. Somebody sent me that and it was like something in my stomach was like, uh-uh, something ain't right. Is that how he wants me to think? Then I found everything that I needed to find that day and I left that day.

Find that clip, Eddie. Did you go through his phone or how did you find everything I needed to find that day. And I left that day. Find that clip, Eddie. Did you go through his phone? Or how did you find everything you needed to find? It was a phone. It was a phone. That is smart. You could have been some type of detective. Oh, man.

If you listen to a person say something, you'd be like, you know what? Let me check. He's projecting. Let me go snoop around him and see what he got going on. Lord. So he just, because he, because with me, he,

he was, he has a little jealousy in him or whatever. So I know that he would never be okay with me doing that. You know what I'm saying? So he was like, yeah. So it was like, something ain't right.

Did he come clean all the way? He had no choice. He had no choice. You know? And I feel like that was just God's redirection for me. It was a situation that was no longer serving me. And he knew that that wasn't what I wanted in a marriage. And he just removed me from that situation.

And I think that he did it in a way that I had no choice to leave because my values and my morals would never be involved in something like that. Was it the first time you caught him cheating? Yeah. In 2020, I thought that it was a thing and i left him then so if i thought something and now i know something yeah are you sure though because black men don't cheat you know i think that all men cheat i really do no no let me tell you all the black men in here like no no no all the but i think it's three he ain't black i think there's different types like there's men that have cheated they learned their lesson and then like they find someone that are

like yeah i was gonna and then there's there's men that that's just what what they do you know what i'm saying so it so yeah I don't think it's realistic to believe that I don't even think that we're I don't know I don't think we're gonna be made for made for me not like that

one person for the rest of your life made for monogamy for the rest of your life I don't believe I think so if you find that one that actually fulfills one human being the reason we say black men is we say black boys cheat right and most boys when they become a man then that's when they realize what it is step out there's some that do it on a serial basis and i'm not saying from personal experience i'm just saying i just think in general i have friends with a lot. I'm a girl that loves guys and they're my homies

and I talk to them and they just do. I think of a woman as fulfilling you on every level, spiritually, emotionally, mentally. But you tell me that one trip to Punta Cana there's that one time you and your homies went and you accidentally just met somebody.

I don't think that's the country with just your homies. I think it's a man's own bride you can't put on a woman you know what I'm saying a woman can do everything under the sun cook clean do your bedroom all of that and if a man still wants to cheat that's what he's gonna do

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Already, yeah. I still think there's those slip-ups. I think you have cheaters at a cereal and they just have a whole other relationship on the side. Then you have people that slip up. I just think that something happens regarding another party at some point. I you have people that slip up. I just think that something happens regarding another party at some point. And I'm talking about in a lifetime.

It may happen once, but it still happened. I don't know. So how do you handle slip ups? If you got that mentality and you feel like a man going to slip up anyway, how do you handle the slip up? I don't know. I haven't,

I don't know. Cause I'm single now. So I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Have you ever had somebody slip I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Have you ever had somebody slip up? Yeah.

I think we all have. Yeah. I think we all have. We all go through it. And you don't leave them? I have. I have. I've left you over a slip up for sure.

But in hindsight, I don't think that's big enough to ruin your whole marriage. I don't think it should be. So I'd be slipped up. Have you guys ever slipped up i was gonna say i was very i disagree okay yeah you leave it after the first flip if you leave in a marriage i feel like nobody's perfect and i guess on the in the situation it's situational so some situations it's like all right i might could give you a pass i mean you ain't getting off easy but i might give you a pass but if it's something there's degrees to cheating like you in love you have relationships you're cuddling you're doing all that kind of stuff it's not just a one-off and you only get one pass you know what i'm saying because then at that point it's repetitive that's that's not a slip-up that's

who you are you know i'm saying so if you if you that's something that you continue to do that's what you're always gonna do so have y'all ever slipped up i don't i don't but no forget to slip up to me i like how you guys decorated no have you ever cheated yes okay i have yes i have i have and we were we were both cheating on each other. I was in a relationship. I found out that my partner was cheating, and I cheated also. You cheated back. I cheated back.

Okay. Cheated up. Okay, you cheated up. Did you get left? Did they leave you? They should have just left each other. Yeah. We did.

We did. We left each other. It was no one's fault. It was both of our fault. We both made mistakes. She's not talking about usher blogs. I'm not. He cheated.

I'm not talking about my marriages, period. I'm just talking about relationships. I think people don't realize that you date more than the people you marry. Every time I'm speaking, they think I'm talking about my ex-husband or husbands. But no, I've dated since and before them. You know what I mean?

I know other men, guys. Would you marry again? I would marry again. I sure would. I would marry again. The right person who's got his stuff together, he's got to have his stuff together because I'm always trying to start a business or working on something. I'm really entrepreneurial so you

got to have your bread together. Neal Clip is in there if you want to hear what Neal said. I do want to hear it. I don't remember this. Thank you, Crystal. We're putting together the Breakfast Club Doc. We're trying to find these moments that have caused people such trauma. I personally am a person that is not

angry at living in a blissful bubble of ignorance. The truth is rarely pretty. In this world, in this life, you have to choose your happy. So I choose to believe the truth that makes me happy as opposed to searching for the ugly truth that's going to mess up my happy. I even tell my friends, yo, if you ever found out anything about my wife, don't bring me that. I wake up every morning, breakfast is cooked, my kids are are taken care of every time we're around each other we smile and they're happy and and things are blissful and then on my deathbed somebody told me that you cheat on me my whole life i lived a pretty good damn life i'm i'm not gonna trip off that that's

me that was the part yeah that's factual though that's true though i don't know about that i suspected something before then yeah you suspected something before then you suspected something before then so I would be a fool and a liar to be like I didn't have suspicions or thinking like you know that any man has a possibility that they gonna cheat but to the extent of the way things happen I never in a million years

would have you know that wasn't the person that I was in love with I just wanna know why you telling me that on my deathbed you're trying to make me go faster i'm trying to enjoy my final moments why would you cause me that kind of stress and trauma on my deathbed i think i was just so surprised because being around y'all were like best friends like it wasn't just like you know everything wasn't always romantic like they was cool they like y'all were like real best friends you feel me so that's what i'm saying it's not worth

it to leave well girl what well wait well wait actually that is your disposition yeah however it's different yeah no thank you yeah because i know my worth and i and i'm not gonna settle for just sharing somebody when i know i deserve a whole man right Right. So what did y'all meet? I think I'm just older. We met, he had, uh, picked me for, it was, he was going to do a mini movie for his nonfiction album. And he had picked me for the lead role.

And that's how we met. The movie never got shot. So I don't know if it was a setup. He wanted you. That was the way he was going to get you. Right. You know, to me,

is that something just now she said you're older. So you probably just more, it took, it took a long time to get to the way i think now because i was the person that if you even look somewhere else i was ready to snatch your neck you know what i mean so i'm like bring your eyes back over here what you doing and what you doing looking at him i i was like i was on that hot wire stuff i just think i'm in a different i'm in a different place and that it took time to get here so trust me i used to be like that like first of all honey i'm gonna pull up my pull-up game is strong i respect your mind

but i think what she's saying is she knows what she's not gonna take like and what she will take you found me i'm just telling you i'm not sharing my man like this long so i gotta be willing to share my man because i don't know when I'm gonna die no one wants hold on let's clarify this yes please girl I am 100% not down to share anything I don't even want to share my damn sandwich

so I definitely am not sharing my man I am not that person but I'm just saying that when it comes to a relationship something I so death do us part if he makes a mistake, I don't think that should be the deal. That is the death of the relationship

and we partying. Damn. No. For me. Well, I used to, I'm telling you, like I said, 13 years younger,

I definitely would have said that. I would have agreed. But just get to your 50s. You might feel a little different. You might. You may. We'll just see. Well,

I'll be on my way. But I tell you, girl. Tony, you know shit. Now, Crystal, you were linked to Safari one time, too. I don't know why y'all keep saying that. People could be in the same room together. Lord Jesus. Because I was on stage.

You said you were doing Love & Hip Hop Atlanta, that y'all were linked, that y'all were dating. I wasn't on Love & Hip Hop. They said that you were going to do the next season. Who? I don't know why they said that. I was never. I was already. Don't get mad at me.

I was already contracted to do the show that I'm on. I just read it. Don't get mad at me. It is. I don't know why they said that i would never i was already i was already contracted i don't know why they said that but you know but y'all were never no he's cool but yeah yeah i i plan to be single for a while because i i have a lot of healing to go through and do or whatever and i don't want to distract myself from what i have going on because I'm so focused on my career right now I'm acting now I just did a movie about to do another movie so I'm focused on Crystal right now and for the first time I'm happy and content and just being with

myself. Crystal did you ever key Ne-Yo's cause cause it seems like you still got a little hurt like you did something nothing you ever hit his hats oh god stop You still got a little hurt. Like, you did something. No. Nothing. Nothing. You ever hit his hats? Yo, you stupid. Oh, God.

Stop. What in the world? That was shots. Shots. Snatch his head off. I got you now. Just run with that shit. I'm going to storage you to this football game. No, no.

I walked away peacefully. Yeah. Because when you fight and argue, it's because you still want to be there. And although, I mean, one of the hardest things to do is to walk away from somebody you're still in love with. But I love myself more. And I knew that I was going to go crazy if I chose to try to work it out and stay. You know what I'm saying? And I'll always have love for him, but it's different now, you know, so.

How are the kids? The kids are good. The kids are good. You know, they go and spend time with daddy they love their father and they're good so the co-parenting is I let him be a father and I keep communication at a minimum just because I'm focused on rebuilding

my life and what that means for me so I don't want to surround myself with what the past was that could potentially put me in a place where I'm emotional and all those things. So I choose to just keep it separate. So there was no drunk nights like, hey, big head, nothing like that. I ain't never spent the block. Hey, big head.

But did he try? Okay. What'd you say? I didn't say what Jess. What'd you say, Jess? I said he try. Listen, I think at this point he knows that there's no coming back. So we're trying to figure out what co-parenting looks like for us

because I just don't want to be around the situation. And, you know, all the respect, all the love to him and no shade, but I just, when somebody hurts you to a certain extent, I don't want to be in that environment. You know what I'm saying did y'all try therapy did y'all try to make amends or you was done you was like there's no therapy I filed the next day

you what? Crystal filed the next day after hearing that breakfast club shit really? it wasn't really? that is what prompted me to look around how'd you get in his phone?

It was the same passcode as all of his passcodes. Well, he wasn't trying to hide anything. See, some of them are smart. They put their phone out of their car. Yeah. She'd been around for a minute. I'd be like, hold on, where that other phone at? So he was sleeping and you just pick up the phone

and just... Yeah. No, he was here. He was here. He was doing another interview another interview yes he was at the radio station i was at the hotel we was out in new york you were scrolling down so when he came back so by the time he got back to the hotel from the interview you was on his head i was gone i know i didn't say anything oh you left oh left the... Oh, my God. And you didn't tell him nothing? You didn't tell him nothing? You just...

No, I mean, he knew that his phone was missing, and so he realized, and, you know... Oh, my God. You took the phone and left. Dale took the phone. I am a black woman. I am not dumb. Look, yeah, yeah.

You didn't screenshot everything. You just leave. See, I would put it all back like nothing happened. Yeah. He didn't try to apologize or nothing. I mean, of course he apologized and he didn't want me to get a divorce or whatever but he knows

how I value myself and he knows when I'm not playing and in that situation I think he just knew there was no coming back. You know, so it is what it is. I would love to know what he learned from that. We had a beautiful relationship, a beautiful marriage, a beautiful friendship, and I don't regret it.

I don't take it back, and I'm appreciative to the love that we did have because a lot of people don't experience the love that I had. But that season is gone. That chapter is closed. How long were y'all together? Almost 10 years. Damn. Damn.

I got a question for both of y'all on your healing journeys that you're on your healing journeys of self what have you learned about yourself that you're most passionate about my strength and my perseverance I don't think that I thought that I would be

in the mind state that I am now because a lot of people would have broken you know and I have my moments but I'm proud of myself for the way that I have maintained my grace in this situation yeah you know so because it's easy to defame a black man and tear him down and tell all the business and do all those things I refuse to do that because and it's not for him it's for me and my children you know what I'm saying so I? So I don't benefit by tearing him down. I wish him nothing but the best. I want to see him succeed, but just not with me.

What about you, Tamika? I'm really committed to remaining in a beautiful state because I really, like I say this, I say it, and I mean, I think we share a friend. It's not to major in the minors. Oh, Marvette Brittle. Yeah. Absolutely. Don't major in the minors. Oh, Marvette Brittle. Yeah. Absolutely. Don't major in the minors.

And I really, I'm really passionate about that. I, you know, you really question your self-worth when you're in a public relationship because your life becomes about them. Like everything is about their schedule, where they have to be, what time the flight is, what you're going to wear because you got to be with them. And so you do lose a sense of yourself when you're in that situation. I'm happy now. I just I feel so free.

I always say that. I just feel free. I'm just able to move around without, you know, having that pressure anymore. It's a peace. It's a peace that you have. I can't imagine, though, because they scrutinize you. If you take your kids to the game I'm sure they're taking pictures of what you're wearing

they're looking at everything you go to the grocery store I'm sure they're looking at what you're wearing I don't even care about what I'm wearing because I ain't never worried about that oh even at the Super Bowl when you went and he was there he performed at halftime how did you feel about that being there? It was great

my kids were there he did a great job he you know he's dope like that that i can always say he's a phenomenal person and phenomenal artist yeah it was good they they were look yeah they're always looking at my reaction everything like yeah did she clap did she cry did she like yes i like his music like everybody else right and you got to realize everything he performed these these are things. I was his stylist. So I did all those videos. I was a part of the imaging for the whole thing.

It was important for me to be there. I was sad that I wasn't in charge of the whole imaging for it, to be honest. I heard you gave Jermaine Dupri some ideas for his outfit. Is that true? You did. That's when them socks came from. I love J.D. Don't talk about it. Not too much on J.D. I'm sorry I love JD don't talk about it

not too much on JD I'm just saying girl did you like that one I don't know about the socks I can't wait I don't know all the way no

I don't know all the way I don't know everything don't do that I don't know everything you know you know what I think it is I think people aren't used to seeing healthy functioning co-parenting

yeah yes I have a healthy functioning co-parenting. Yeah. Yes. I have a healthy, functioning co-parenting situation because my kids are, you know, 15 and 16. And they basically say where they want to be. And like we have and we are very supportive of each other's like I'm here. I'm in New York. The kids are with him. And then when he's busy, the kids are with me.

We just we kind of got rid of that whole schedule thing like you have them on Thursday to Wednesday and no we just hey are you traveling okay cool are you going to be home whether the kids are going to be with me or they're going to be with you and I think we get along fine our kids are super vocal and grown as hell so

they tell you what they want anyway yeah they be like I need to be a dad because my game setup is over here he's got better wifi than you I be like, I need to be a dad because my game setup is over here. He's got better Wi-Fi than you. I be like, of course he's got better Wi-Fi than me. Everything's better. Well, you want your kids. Hello. Who's this kid?

Would y'all want your kids to be in the entertainment industry? Would you want your kids to be on? I don't. My oldest, his father is his idol. He wants to do music. He be trying to make his own beats. He think he got a YouTube channel. It's just videos of his phone. I mean,

the negative that comes with it, I don't want that for my kids. But I do want him to, whatever his dreams are, to do it. If that's what he wants. I would prefer him to go to college, get a degree, and do something else. If that's what he wants to do, I will be.

He's eight. He just turned eight. What about you, Tamika? Well, my son, Cinco, he's the fifth. He's 16. He's a gamer. So he really wants to do this gaming thing on a high level. That's his thing.

Push him. No, I am. Because they do good. They make a lot of money. He is focused. He didn't go on vacation. We went to Anguilla and all this for spring break. He stayed with his setup.

He was serious about it. Like, I can't take my computers. I can't take all my monitors and my hard drive. I was like, okay. It's a serious thing now. He literally stayed home. And if you want better Wi-Fi to usher in, girl, you got to let this man make this money on these. I'm going to let him do it.

I'm going to. We both are supporting him doing it. So I'll get better food, everything. Better food. He did a lot of creative direction for the Super Bowl. That's the one I heard him sing. He was the one that was singing. Yeah, I heard it.

Now, he's serious. He wants to be an artist. I don't love that idea because I know the scrutiny that comes with it. But behind the scenes, if he wants to do lighting and creative direction, he really was very involved in that Super Bowl performance, more than he even got credit for he really was like no not that song and when you come out the chair

you need to stand and look that way I was like okay to me he was definitely involved I want to ask you to me because you said earlier here I stand flopped and we were talking about this talking about that this week and we were talking about we never said that we were talking about Chance the to rapper and you know what happens when an artist

oh yeah makes a album dedicated to his wife like here my dear uh yeah and the album this album is whack the album was good i thought it was great but i'm here stan was a banging album yes it was and let me tell you this i'm gonna say this this is in defense of him really quick and i don't want to talk about his ass no more, okay? All right. That's it. Enough on Usher. Okay. But here I stand was so solid because he was ahead of his time. He got married before anybody.

This was before J&B. This is before Justin Timberlake. This is before. He was an outlier in trying to be mature and wear suits. That suit and tie shit. We did that already. Sorry. No offense, JT. But you know what I mean? We were trying to make him go wear suits that suit and tie shit that was we did that already sorry no

offense jt but you know i mean like we we were trying to make him go to the next level the fans weren't ready for him to evolve and get to that level and then now it's cool everybody's married and see we just were ahead of our time yeah we did it too soon so they were like he married this old ass lady and she's whack and that that's that, and we hate him. And so Here I Stand wasn't received the way it should have been, but it was solid songs on that album. Solid album. You said it flopped.

Does that make you feel bad? I don't mean it flop-flopped, but it didn't do a million copies in the first week like all the other albums. Did you blame yourself for that in some way? I didn't. I think that the label pulled back on it real fast. Like they put it out and it wasn't received the way they thought. And I think they just like, all right,

let's hide that. Tamika, stay home. Have a baby. Just don't come outside no more. Damn. They hate you. Yeah, no. I think I got a lot of backlash like you're making his whole thing flop. And I'm like, that dude's been married again and again after that you know what I mean

so it's the goal for both of y'all because y'all have so much going on it's the goal for both of y'all to get to a place where nobody ask you about them that is literally what I say I want the world to know Crystal or not for Crystal but it's impossible you know what I'm saying people always say you don't want people to ask you about him

but you still have his last name but I'm still my own person. You know what I mean? Diane Von Furstenberg is Diane Von Furstenberg. She was married to Count Von Furstenberg. But she's still an amazing designer. Again, it's our community. It's us.

Do you still do styling like that or not too much? I have a clothing line called Eli Kish. I will style certain artists, certain people if they have a budget. It's not even artists. It's just if you have a budget and you can afford to pay me, I will style certain artists if they have, certain people if they have a budget. It's not even artists. It's just if you have a budget and you can afford to pay me, I'll style you. Are stylists a lost art now?

Like, you don't really see them as, like, growing up in the 2000s, you'd see stylists. Niggas say, you see these niggas?

Yes, it's a lost art. It's a lost art. Styling is a lost art because it's so, it's oversaturated with people who have taken the title

you can work a gap for three days and then you're a stylist all you gotta do is have a lint roll and a trench coat and you be like I'm a stylist

to the stars I'm styling you girl that's an everybody lint roll and a trench coat that's all you need that's all you need you walk out and say you the top stylist

I be looking like that happens in every league listen people can get what two viral videos now they're a comedian yeah yeah you can you know you can get, what, two viral videos. Now they're a comedian. Yeah, yeah. You can get a podcast.

Now you're a radio personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it's oversaturation in every lane. Every lane. It probably is, huh? Yeah. Because you know why? Not too much on our people, but it's low-hanging fruit.

You don't see too many people fighting to be scientists or doctors or lawyers. You know what I'm saying? It requires a lot of work. It requires work and reading. Like actual reading. Like read. Hello. Read. If you would read. No, they want to do what's, you know, the easiest thing. Like I'm a stylist. I love clothes. That's not how it works.

Wash our lashes. Yeah, put them on. Yeah. Yeah, girl. That's right. Alright. That's right. Thank you ladies for joining us. Yeah, girl. That's right. Alright. Thank you, ladies, for joining us. Yeah, man. Make sure you... Thank y'all for coming. Scream bold and bougie on All Black right now. Go get Tameka, Tameka Raymond's book, Here I Stand. Here I Stand in a Beautiful State. That's right.

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