The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Da Brat & Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart Opens up about love life, Motherhood, hiphop History

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Today on The breakfast Club, Da Brat & Jesseca “Judy” Harris-Dupart Opens up about love life, Motherhood, hiphop History. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes, indeed. We got the Brett and Judy. Yes. There are no books. The way love goes a guide to building a beautiful and everlasting relationship. They are here. Good morning, guys. Good morning. How are y'all doing? It's cold and shit out here. It's cold. Why the snow dirty?

I thought snow's supposed to be white. The first day is clean. Yeah, the first day is clean. I thought school was white. When they start scooping it And looking at us like there You're saying, why y'all snow dirty? When they start plowing it and moving it around

and the right salt and all that and gets a little dirty. I'm sorry. I love to see y'all together, right? Because some people have a relationship online and they just show the love online, right? But to see y'all behind the scenes and see you together when no cameras are there and how lovey-dovey y'all still are with each other.

So we were up at Jingle Ball Atlanta and the brat was performing. And behind the stage, I just couldn't keep your hands off each other. I'm like, pumping, dancing on each other. I said, I love this. How was the relationship still so fresh like that? Y'all still, it feels like your newlywed era.

Yeah, we just like to have fun, man. Life presents enough bullshit. You know what I'm saying? In the world today. So we just like to have fun. She got me making videos and stuff. I see that. She hate that, too.

I can tell. I'm getting into it. I'm getting better. But that engagement be high. You don't be doing nothing on social media. You got to be. give him a little tinkle, trinkly, you know, give him a little... A little razzled out.

Now, Julie, how do you crack the brat when it came to that? Because the brat is usually tough exterior. She ain't up and around. She ain't with the social media. And you got her doing dances. So, well, I tell her if I need you to Marf. I need you for like 30 minutes. And I don't tell her what we do it or nothing.

Right before it's time to shoot, I say, okay, this is an example. And she'd be aggravated, but she kind of do it. And as long as we can do it in one or two takes, she would it. But when it's two, three, four, she out of those. How did y'all protect the private parts of your relationship while writing this book? Um, shit, what private parts? You just let it all out.

We kind of just let it all out. Whatever we talked about, we went deep into it and just talked about it for real, for real. Like, whatever happened, that's what happened. You know, we protected the name of the people or whatever, but it's our lives and it's our situation. So everything that happened in those stories we told is what happened. Absolutely. One thing that I was surprised about, though, I was,

she talked about our sex life like so openly I got it on the page right here openly and candidly because she does it she's real timid shy especially when it comes to stuff like that I was like so you're going to tell them

all of this and she just let it loose so I said okay that's what we're doing I just well how did y'all meet because we know you Jimmy super duper entrepreneur from New Orleans right that's the first time we met you the Brad of course Atlanta hip hop legend

shot town Shotown to Atlanta. Shatown to Atlanta. Now, how did y'all meet? Well, she was doing this. I was doing a promo for Miracle Drops for Collidercope for the company. And that happened through like a makeup artist, blah, blah, blah. But I had never met her.

But the first time I initially saw her, she was on Instagram. And I was going through some crazy shit. And I saw this lady. And she had this message. And the message just drew me in. And I was like, oh, my God, it really helped my soul feel better. I was like, who was this lady? She had gray hair.

And I was like, okay. So I started following her. Fast forward. she was on a tour, Judy Dropin Knowledge tour or whatever. So I was like, okay, I was coming from somewhere, and I landed in Atlanta, and I was back in Atlanta. I was like, you know what, I'm going to stop by there and check her out because I had never met her.

So I was like, okay, I pull up to this place. It's like 5, 10,000 people with a motherfucking convention. I could cost me. At a convention center. And I'm like, okay, I definitely didn't expect that because I was coming from the airport. I wasn't ready to see people had to sign autographs and pretty much work. But anyway, I got in there. So I asked her people, you know, could they get her?

I'm standing there 10, 20, 30, 45 minutes waiting on this lady to come through the crowd. Because she's signing autographs and taking pictures. I'm like, well, I'm not going to be standing up here all my fucking. They're waiting on this lady, right? So I'm like, okay, so I'm being patient because, you know, I do work for her. I do do some promo and stuff for it. So I just really wanted to meet her. So she finally made it to me.

And she was like, hey, how you doing? You know, we talked, we hugged for a second. And I was like, man, it's so crazy. I was like, let's link later. You know what I'm saying? Because obviously we can't really have no conversation right here. But when I meant by less link later is let's shoot some more promo videos, less, you know, less how, whatever.

You're like, yeah, right. I really did. That's not what I heard. I didn't even know. I didn't even know she liked women. I didn't even know any of that. You know what I'm saying? I didn't need.

Yeah. So go ahead. So, well, let's clear. I didn't know that she was there, nor did I know she was coming, nor did I know she was waiting. She talked to my team. So when I finally got to her and I was like, oh, hey girl, because she had been in my comment. She had been on my lives. And I was like, oh, she's friendly.

So then when she said, let's link later, I said, oh, she friendly. Friendly, friendly, you know, so she told me to meet her as so-so death later on and I did. I went to the studio and it was just me by myself. She was like, where's your team? Yeah, this lady pulled up, hopped out to cop by herself and this fly-ass little tight outfit I guess anything she wear going to be tight because of the way her body is made but she had a long draping

ponytail she had a jewelry on I was like where is you going you could have been coming to a studio with a thousand niggas you know Atlanta studios it'd be all kind of people everywhere and there'd be 10, 15 studios in one big studio and I was like you shouldn't be out here by yourself where's your security where's the team

what's the camera people and she was like I came by myself and I was like you said you wanted to lay but I was not like coming on to her and I didn't wasn't flirting or saying come let's link link then she pulled up to the studio I was like oh shit this bitch is fine

but when we was in the studio we was just talking I still had no idea I'm still dumbfounded I still had no idea we was talking about all the shit we um the shit we liked and the things that we were interested in and I say well I'm interested in you are you know you want to do this what did yes so it fucked me

Because you were probably I wasn't used to that You know what I'm saying I just wasn't used to that Like out of the blue I had no usually I have some type of inkling Or some type of idea I didn't know shit

So when she said it It fucked me up I was like What? Interested in who? Man and she was like I'm interested in you And first of all

My swag left I was nauseous I had butterflies I felt like I was gonna be sick Then I tried the light of blunt I was like okay calm yourself bitch calm yourself get you a blunt roll your blunt like that i lit the blunt the motherfucking cherry fell on the couch damn couldn't even smoke the blunt i said damn okay so i'm

go get me some hennessee got me some hennessee you know i'm like yeah just trying to keep my cool you know what you were nervous as fuck drink the hennessee shit poured all down my mouth that's my whole mouth i know like the swag what was you thinking of all of this i thought it was cute that she was cute that she was like it was cute that she was shy and she But then let's skip to the next part when you had me come to Atlanta two, three times and you ghosted me. Wow. Wow. Wow.

First of all. Wow. So she was the person, you were able to talk to her, but come about three o'clockish, she would go missing. In the afternoon? Not three o'clockish. Something like that. Yeah. Exaggerating. Oh, my God. She was doing this nation.

Damn. Actually, my phone stayed on silent because I did a morning show and I did dish nation so my phone did have to stay on silent and ricky smiling kind of like taught us to because i used to be hooked on my phone like worse than she is on hers just 24-7 so he was like y'all got to learn how to put your phones down so i had finally trained myself to like put my phone down when i got home so when i got home i put my phone down and didn't look at it again until i felt like looking at it until i did all the things i needed to do at home unwound and all

But she was like, well, I came to Atlanta and you ghosted me. Out of maybe 10 times, that might have happened three. Imagine you fly. You get your ass up from your house. You get in the car. You walk through the airport. You check the bag. You board the flight.

You land where you're going. You check into the Airbnb. You put the suitcase up. And then you text and say, hey, you know, with time, whatever. And there's nothing. And then she don't respond back until I'm back in New Orleans. And that happened. You heard her say three times.

I never called the radio thing. You should have called her and smiley show. First of all, she did all that airplane and bag and pack your bags and all that. She was flying back and forth to Atlanta anyway. No, but I flew those times for you. Because she was doing the celebrity thing with the promo stuff.

So Judy, why do you come back? How did she go with you? Why do you say, you know, let me give this another shot? Nope, because she acted like we never talked in between there. We were talking in between there. That did happen a few times. Right, we talked in between.

But then at some point, I was like, I don't, this is too unstable. And if she really was interested, she wouldn't just have me keep coming out here for this bullshit. But we linked up, we met up a few times. We met up a few times. You act like that happened every single time. In Atlanta or out of town when you linked up.

Atlanta. You should have did that to a New Orleans. You said, come to New Orleans, she'd a ghost to ask in New Orleans. And ask a question, how often do you argue about this? It seems like a free one. Because I have my, I feel about it and I say what happens. She still feels to this day that, because I moved on. So she still feels like the day that I should have told her.

And didn't tell me. I'm moving on when she was ghosting me. I wasn't ghosting her. I had some shit to clean up. You know what I'm saying? She had holes. But you couldn't tell her. She had like, I couldn't tell her.

I couldn't tell her because I didn't want to lose her. And she didn't want to lose you. I knew what I thought. I know. I had stuff to clean up. She still lost me, though. She still so, but had she been transparent, it wouldn't have been that thing in between. It could have been a little bit more smooth.

But how did I know that? I didn't want to take that fucking chance on losing you and telling you, you know what? I have a few situations I need to, you know, clean up in, clothes out, whatever, before I come to you with all this baggage. You'd have probably been like, bitch, bye. You probably would have said bye sooner. I didn't know you was going to say what you said. So how did you get her back?

How did you? Because you left. You moved on. How did you? She moved on. So I'm, first of all, we still were talking. Okay. I'm looking at Instagram.

I go to her. her page, it's some nigger on her page. I see the back of this nigga head, her nails and stuff all on this nigger neck. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? A nigger, a nigger. Yeah, she's like niggas and bitches.

Oh, okay. I did too. I did too. So, anyway, I'm looking, I'm like, I'm not the only one. So I'm looking at the page and I'm like, damn, so at least for damn near a year, I stalks this page. I'm like,

this nigga is going to be gone soon. This nigga, I'm about praying this nigga away. I'm like, this thing is going to be gone soon. Every time I looked, I had to stop looking every day and try to look like once a week, because he seemed to it had not been going nowhere. I'm like, damn. So finally, at the maybe seven months, eight months,

I don't know how long did I stalk the page and watched to see if this nigga was gone because a few times I was like, oh, I'll see him, I'll see him. Damn, there that nigga go. He wasn't on there. He wasn't on there, and she had erased all his pictures. I'm like, yep, that nigga gone. That thing is gone.

It's time for me to shoot my shot. So I dimmed to like, hey, how you doing? Like, oh my God, how you doing? How you been? She had blocked me. Wow. She had blocked me because the nigger had seen our conversations. So, you know, she had to do what he said doing.

She had to block me. Why are you saying like that? Because he asked you to block me and you did. I was respecting my relationship. Fuck that relationship. Fuck that nigga. You know, Brad, you said love changed you.

So what part of yourself did you finally allow it, I guess, to soften? Oh, my God. Like, I'm way more vulnerable now. Like, I cry more, you know, growing up in Chicago having to defend myself and fight all the fucking time. You don't cry. You don't show weak. You don't show weak.

Then people take advantage of you more. They see you sweat. They go in harder. That's how it is in Chicago. So my wife and the love from her has made me open up. up more and know that it's okay to cry and express yourself. Like when we was doing Brad loves Judy,

I really didn't want motherfuckers to see me have an argument with her because I had never did that, like on TV and I definitely didn't want motherfuckers to see me cry. Like, I'm a motherfucking rapper. I talk about shooting people in my songs. I talk about, you know, I'm a tough girl in Chicago. I'm like, I'm never going to be able to sell another record.

But anyway, we had an argument and I was like, no, make the cameras leave. Put the motherfuckers out. She was like, no. We had an argument for real. We're going to resolve it for real right here on camera. And I'm like, oh, my God. So when he was talking, I ended up crying and shit. And I was like, oh, my God, this is going to just ruin my own life.

But it just taught me that it's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay. I'm human. It's okay to have feelings. It's okay to express yourself, you know, and it's okay to open up a little, you know. Do either one of y'all think y'all were in love before each other, like real love? Now that y'all have each other and experience what you love you. Oh, that's a good question.

What's you about to say? Because you, you, you, when we were, when we was dating. and had got back together. She had moved to Atlanta. She had a condo in Atlanta. And I was like, I had sat down next to her. I was like, you know what? Let me just fucking tell her.

I was like, I think I'm in love with you. Like, I think I'm like falling in love with you. I think I love you. And then she was like, I know I love you. So she's trying to tell me she said it first. I said it first. But you're saying you felt it first, but you didn't speak on it. She lied.

I felt it first. Oh, she's like. I felt it first. I didn't even say that. She just said that. That's okay. You think you felt it before me? I don't know.

I think I don't know where you felt it. But his question is, do you feel like you ever had that you were in love prior to now? Like, or do you feel like our relationship? No, I did think so before I thought I was in love. All the little relationships you get in, you be like, oh, I'm in love. I love him. I love him. But until I got this right here, I ain't ever know what love was, for real, in real life.

Like, the way that she loves me, I've never felt anything like it in my whole life and my whole relationship, in any relationship. so I'm very grateful for that. That's what made me be like, oh, I don't want nobody else. This is what I want. This is the real feeling right here. I had never felt the real feeling. That's amazing. What about you, Judy?

I think I care for people deeply prior, but I think our love taught me how to take two steps back and try to learn the person and learn their love language and learn, you know, how to stick it out and how to do the tough things. and to also know that it's not always peaches and cream, you know. And I think I was, I'm happy that I didn't, you know, like give up on it because, you know, they had some shitty shit that happens, you know.

Yeah. Right. What did you both had to unlearn to be able to be in this marriage or to be, you know, with each other? Unlearned. I had to, I'm a give giver, right? And she likes acts of service. So I'm like, oh, yeah, let me do this big extravagant thing.

I've checked the box, so, you know, I've done it. But she, she don't give a fuck how much it costs a dollar or if it costs a dollar or if it costs a million. She don't give a fuck about that. She cares about time. She would prefer time.

Like, the thing that we did recently, like, they really moved her was, I set up the movie theater and we put some palace, like I put some pillows on the floor, put some blankets on the floor, and it was me, her, and our baby. And she just absolutely loved that.

She don't give a fuck if I do all of this extravagant shit and have all of the decor and have the private violin. She don't give her. shit about none of that. She just want to be... She just want the time. She want my phone down. She want, you know. But I know why that's because she's an artist and she's been on the road since she was young. So now, it's like you just want the time. Even now, me and Charlemagne talk about all the time. I just want to be home with the family.

Yeah. I mean, me and Shaolin do this all the time. I didn't say we'd be at the movie with the violence. I don't know what you would think. I was saying that we prefer time with the family. That means the most than anything else. Money doesn't matter. Just that time is everything. And Brad, what did you have to learn? You felt like? I don't know. I don't know. Well, you have a toxic in previous relationships.

What's something that you noticed that you did better in this relationship? Yeah, like, she told me all the time, oh, you know, like, I'm so much better now. Like, because that, so sometimes I might have an inappropriate tone. Yeah, you better watch your tone. Sometimes that tone, that tone when she talks. Both of your tones could go there. But what I've learned. I bring my tone down

and Lord knows it took a long time to be able to do that because I'm a shatown bitch and I'd be like motherfucker what the fuck you think you're talking to, nigga? You know what I'm saying? And I'm so she do the same thing with that New Orleans accent. So when her voice goes up, I'd be like, babe, can you please bring your voice down?

You're yelling. If both of us start yelling, it's going to be a problem in here so let's not do that. You know what I'm saying? And she'll bring it down a little bit but then she'll go back up. And then she'll walk the fuck out. So then this shit ain't resolved.

Whatever we're fussing about is not resolved. I hate that. And she can go do some other shit and be all right. I don't like that. I like to get a resolve because I don't like to go to bed mad. I think it's tomorrow. It's not promised and I think we need to fix it. But she will go walk off and take some time and then go doing some, go start doing something for like colitis go but some other shit and then put

my little shit to the side while I'm still sitting over here upset. You know what I'm saying? But she doesn't start doing some other shit. So that's something we still working on because she... I prefer to digest. Because she I prefer to digest And then not only that I don't want to

I don't want to Talk to somebody When I'm angry Because I know I know I can say Something that cuts deep That I don't mean My brain goes automatically

To you know how Cardi said Go to hell I go under hell So I never did that to me And I don't ever want to be In that situation where I have I've also been in a relationship Where I hit somebody first

And my eyes don't know how to fight So I don't even know I hit him forgot a black eye and everything That's because we get so mad I didn't get so mad I'm serious So I understand how to contain my anger and how to contain stuff. So I just walk away from the situation.

And I've learned how to compartmentalize. Like I put it to the side, digest it, and try to talk about it later. How has motherhood help with that, though? Oh, my God. Motherhood is everything. I love, love, love, love being a mother. I love it. It's my everything.

It is. Oh, my goodness. It's just the best thing that's ever happened to me. And I'm so blessed that God allowed me to have and carry a child at my age. I think motherhood has brought us closer because she's a mother of three grown children already. If I say older children,

already, like, she knows a lot of stuff, but she lets me lead when it comes to our son. So I love it. Oh, my God. And it's brought us closer. It brings us closer. It makes our bond stronger, I think. You are so in love with your son, Brad.

I love seeing y'all with him. Yeah, did you ever see kids for yourself? No, nigga. I ain't seen no kids. I ain't want to be married. I ain't see no kids. because, you know, I grew up in church, so two women wasn't getting married

growing up in church. That just wasn't happening. And it wasn't ever no nigga that I was so in love with it. I was like, oh, I'm going to marry him. So I just thought it wasn't in the cards for me. I thought marriage or children was not in the cards for me. And I was cool with that.

I was just content with living life. However. And I wasn't looking for love like that. And that's when she ended up talking about some, I'm interested or whatever. And then it grew from there. Just don't do that. How was pregnancy for you?

It was good. It was good. I didn't have, like, no pains. I didn't have no cravings. I didn't have, I didn't go into labor. I had a C-section. The only thing I had some carpal tunnel, my ankles swelled up a little bit,

and I really didn't have a bad pregnancy at all. Like your nose wasn't fat enough, and I was like, damn. I thought she didn't have no morning stick to stuff or nothing. I was like, bitch, what is, what kind of magic? Maybe it's because I was older or something. I don't know, but I didn't, and I'm grateful I did. That's amazing.

We saw you with the custom jersey with the baby bump a few years ago. Whose idea was that? That was Julia. No, I just want to know which. Who stopped? Okay, okay, okay, so it was my idea. And okay, I'll take two steps back and say it might not have been the best choice. I mean, it was all over everywhere.

I thought it was cute. I thought it was cute. And she loved it too. Chicago Bulls. It was, you know, Michael Jordan's my shit, shatown. Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. So, Judy, you did that to a lot of her clothes?

Absolutely. No, just that. Okay. Because that was my very last performance. Right. Dr. Jackie was like, you can't go nowhere else. This is your last performance and you shouldn't do this one. So she wanted to make it like super duper special because that was the last time I could fly or perform before I had the baby.

I want to go back to what y'all talking about when y'all was talking about just having little conflicts. Like how do you handle conflict now versus when y'all first got together? Like in the beginning of y'all. We still are work in progress. She still will walk the fuck away when we have a disagreement. And I still will be wanting to fix it. Sometimes we fix it and sometimes we go to sleep and we're sleeping on the edge of the bed. So, you know, we're still a work in progress.

I think it's better than it was, though, because before it just would be the yucky feeling. Like, it would be yucky, like, we would talk about it, but then talk, that's another thing that happened. We talk about it, but talking about it didn't get to resolve. I feel like now that I've learned how you are, you've learned how I am, I think we've been able to. Yeah, we just don't be mad in the middle of it. day like but it's still be there until we decide to talk about it we just learn how to keep doing stuff throughout the day right but even the the disagreements i think it's almost like kind of how y'all listen we was in our mommy and me room and our son i think he tripped over something she's in the

bathroom right there and she's like what you did to my son what did i do and you're no but in that moment instead of choosing to be like, bitch, you realize that that's our child? I had to take two steps back and like, you know, she's a new mom, this is whatever. I was like, that's beautiful. He tripped over that thing right there. So I think it's just, you know, being intentional about considering where the person is coming from at the time, you know, that you approach with hostility. I do that too, bad.

I ain't go like. I'd be like, don't talk to my daughters like that. Yeah. I was wondering you say you let her leave. with the baby. Why? Because you've done it before.

You know the mistakes. You know that why you let her leave? I want her to continue to have a great experience as a mom. I don't want her to feel like she's making bad decisions. I want her to make a decision

based off of her feelings because your gut instinct is always good. I feel like oftentimes when you have the opinion first, like the thing that she does in our relationship, whatever I want is what we doing. I hate when you say that shit.

Because when you're coming to fucking America, whatever you're doing. you lie. That's true. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's we buying a car, we buying a house, where we go to eat. It's whatever I want. And so I wanted to make sure that in this, that is specifically how she wants it. Now, if it's something that I felt like beautiful, he's not supposed to have this much juice during the day, I will have a conversation with her that, hey, I think we should probably look at how much juice he's drinking. Maybe we

should, you know, maybe you should look it up and see what's the intake or ask the doctor, but I'm not going to be like, you know. Gotcha. Hold on. What does marriage look like for you two on the days when love feels more like work than anything else? Shit, that's a lot of days. It just looked like work that day, you know?

She's on the computer and the phone 24-7 and, well, and then sometimes, you know, in between there, we do, we get to spend time with our son, but then I have to make calls and then I have to work. So it just be work, you know. And at the end of the day or nighttime, when we get to, you know, pillow talk and our son is sleep, you know, we spend time with each other then. But other than that, work is work.

You got to get the work done. You got to pay the bills and get shit done. I was going to ask, how does sexy time work, right? So because you got to keep it sexy. You got to keep it spicy. We have date nights. You have work and all that. This niggins.

Yeah, we have date nights. And then we have the night time when he sleep. And we have any time when he sleep. Yeah, or intentional stuff. Yeah. Like one time I tried to role play with her She was so fucking lost I texted

Now you gotta tell me with the role play I was a stripper First of all And then I had to realize She didn't really like strippers anyway That kind of problem was Anyway So I text her and I said

I'm about to text you as somebody else She was like er And I was like I had a great time last night Maybe we could link up At a hotel later in the week And she's like what? What are you talking about But eventually she got it right

So I set up I set up the hotel Like there was this hotel used to go to all the time when I used to come down here. So I set up something at a hotel, had the, you know, the roses and all the rest of that. I prepared a little dance. She got in the room and she didn't even let me do the dance.

I had to tell that thing. I could have did the one, too. I didn't know it was supposed to be a dance. Man, she prided me. I poured me a little liquor. I had got to pull the rod camera, like, so she could take pictures and do all the things. I saw that. I didn't know there was supposed to be like a schedule.

Did you rent a ball? You were in the ball to? No. No. But she had on some fly-ass shit. I was like, dang. The hills, the fishnets, the lingerie, the. I had the stuff to feed her.

Ain't none of that shit. Oh, damn. Tocoonery boards and all kind of shit. I grabbed some of them grapes and it was like, let's get to it. That's what I. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm in a McLembourg.

It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history,

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In the middle of the night, Sasquia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband.

So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Segregation and the day integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

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In 1995, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So no, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name.

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of a bitch to come around here in my wife. Boom, boom.

This is The Red Weather. Listen to the Red Weather on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think it's one misconception about your relationship that the book finally clears up. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, that's a good question. What's any misconception though?

They think I run shit. They do. It sounds like you just. Yeah, I was going to say it. It sounds like you do. Just a little bit. That's because I let her have her way. I like that.

You know, I like that. In every relationship I've had, I pretty much ran shit. And I like for her to run shit. I think it's absolutely cute. And I love the fact that she's such a boss, that she can run shit. Yeah. And I ask her everything.

Like, I need her advice for everything. She does. run shit pretty much. I ask her advice for everything. She know how to handle money better than me, so I ask what should I do with XYZ? You know, so yeah, that is absolutely right.

She do run shit, but I let her run shit. You know, and I like that. I don't want her to do anything in the fucking house. I don't want her to wash a dish. I don't want her to have to cook, but she loves to cook. I don't want to have to her to wash clothes. I don't want her to do shit. I do all that. I love doing that. I love doing that shit.

Man, I love a good turkey. burger. I love, I love, what's my shit? I love salmon patties. Oh, I love salmon patties. Yeah, I make quite a few things. You know what I'm saying? My grandfather was a chef before he passed away

and both of my grandmothers could really cook a lot. But my wife cooks too, but I don't be wanting her to have to do nothing. She do so much work and she'd be so busy and consumed with the business and having to run that. Like, I don't ever want a business. I don't ever want to be the CEO of a business.

I see the thing she has to go through and the shit is, it's a lot. You know, when you have a lot of different people working for you and one thing falls short, it falls on you. And you have to know how to do that thing as well. So she got to know how to do a million things. Make sure the money right.

Make sure the people doing what they're doing. Make sure the bottles are right. She got to sniff the products and smell it and make sure. It is so much. And it's a lot. So, I will see. I'm very proud of you, Jess. Like, you have built your business from the ground up and been doing this for years and years.

My niece was one of your, what would you call it, an influencer for, yeah, an influencer for kaleidoscope, man. And she started that shit from her phone. That's why I can't say shit about her phone, her phone or her computer. Like she has to be on those things to run the business. So, yeah. She hate getting her flowers. Don't give her flowers. I know.

I see now. No compliment and don't give her no flowers. She hates it. She hates it. She don't know how to take it. Thank you. You deserve it. Yeah, I tell her all the time.

Like, do you sit back and look at the things that you do, the things that you've done, the things that you do for people? Why are you like that, though? What about, like, why don't you like accepting your flowers? Why don't you like when the spotlight is on you? Obviously, you know, giving you recognition. I honestly feel like a big part of my purpose here on the world is like to give to other people. So it's just hard to receive. So as a person that's a natural giver and joys giving and not just saying it like I enjoy giving,

it's hard to receive because that's, I enjoy the other side of it. I enjoy giving. Yeah. Has that ever affected your marriage with our relationship prior to getting married that she doesn't, she's not open to receiving? I had to learn how to with her. I had to learn how to receive. better with her.

But she had to do the same. Yeah, I had to know how to receive. Yeah. When we was first dating and whatever, I was at the studio recording with JD and all of a sudden here comes her assistant with like 15 fendi bags. And I'm like, where, where they going with that stuff? And it was all for me. And I made them take it all back.

Like, I was like, I don't, all I want is you. I don't need a fendi bag, a backpack, a jacket, a shoe. I don't need shit. All I want is you. and I think to make her happy I kept a pair of shades and that was it and then that made you fall more in love with her. Yeah because every time she tried

to give me something back I wanted to tint it I wanted to up it I want to oh you don't want that I got it and as you know she's upset why do you feel like everything you had to give was material I don't necessarily feel like that but if if I'm going to do something for myself I'm going to make sure to do it for you as well if they if they were already out getting something for me

grab 10 things for her so that's what it was and I want to to surprise her with something. I wanted her to feel special. I want to, you know. Yeah. So I don't think that everything got to be material, but it's just if I'm doing something, you know,

I might as well. Not to go back back, because it's about y'all now, but have you ever been in a relationship where somebody has taken advantage of that? She, and I think that's why she's like that because she knows that. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes. But I don't, but I'm not going to say it's a trauma because I feel like anything that I've

ever getting, God has blessed me with a hundred times. So whatever the person then did. She's so sweet. And people take advantage. And I hate it. Yeah. And even to this day, there's people that take advantage. But I can't say shit because she runs a business.

And I have to just, that's what I had to learn to fall back and just be quiet. But that shit is hard when you see and you know somebody fucking over your wife or they take it advantage of it. Or they doing shit they're supposed to do. Man, you want to go bop their ass. Like you want to be like, I'm going to get my lip back for my wife. trying to tell her. I don't. I don't.

I don't say anything. I'm so much better with that. I smile in motherfuckers' faces that I know them fucked you over. And that's very hard for me. Very hard. Yeah. I got family with somebody to ask you to brag. They're crazy.

Do you consider yourself a humble stud? No. I am not a stud. I love fingernails. I love makeup. I love panty and brawereux. sets, lace, pretty, La Perla. Period.

Like, I, you know, I'm not a stud, but I don't have a problem with studs. I got a lot of stud friends, and shout out to the studs of America. You know what I'm saying? But that is not who I am. Okay. You know, I don't put a label on myself.

Period. You know. I wanted to ask one question. This has another do with a relationship. Me neither. I want to talk hip-hop. Okay, let's go. I have a question.

JD was here, and he talks about the time you almost got him killed. Oh, shit. Oh, when you kidnapped Mariah? You kidnapped Mariah Carey. So what? Break that story down. Like, so what?

If he died, he died. If you had? No. You know, he took us to her house. I think we were filming a video. Or either we just went. I think we were filming. I can't remember, but we went there a few times.

When she came out, I think this was my first time meeting her. We was hanging out. She was super cool. We instantly had chemistry in jail. And we was laughing about shit, cracking jokes on people. Like, it was just like, had knew each other forever. So she was showing me around the house. And she was telling me

because in some rooms, like the closet in certain places, they had microphones in the wall. So she would tell me, you know, when it's a good time to talk about shit and when it was not or whatever. So, you know, she showed me her cars and it was like 15 cars in the garage. Now mind you, I ain't never seen

this type of shit before. I've just been to J.D. house and seen his riches. I ain't seen shit else. So I'm at Mariah's house who lives next door to Ralph Lauren with Tommy Motola. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, so she had a fleet of fucking cars in the garage and I'm like, whose cars is these? She was like, they mind.

I said, well, bitch, let's go. I said, what's near here? And she was like, there's a burger king up. She was like, let's go get some fries. So we get in the car. I think it was a cat, like it was like a pink, old, old school pink Cadillac. Everything was shined up

and brand new. No scratches. It was just clean. I was like, oh, my God, in heaven. So we get to out. She never told me. She she don't drive or she never took the, she never really drove the cars. Tommy, I guess, just bought them for. So they just sit there. So we're in the car, we ride and she driving.

I'm chilling. I'm like, yes, I'm having a good time. We're playing music. And then all of a sudden, my phone started blowing up. I think we had the skytails or something back then. And JD was like, get back here right now, Brad. I don't know what y'all doing, but you need to get back here. They need you back right now. I'm like, nigger, no.

We're going to Birken up the street. What is wrong with you? We're going a mile up the street. to Burger King. So I see you when I see you, when I get back. He kept blowing me up like, Brad, no, you don't understand. I need you to get back. I didn't know they had the guns out where JD was at

making him tell me to get her back here. I'm like, it ain't me that was gone. Mariah wanted to go to Shito on their drove. So yeah, that's what happened. So it was Mariah people's like her. It's Tommy Matola. Tommy Matola. They thought they were kidnapping Mariah. So did y'all get

the Burk King? Yeah, we got to Burr King and got them fries. But when we came back, they took her away and I was like oh my god I felt like like she was in trouble like Tommy matola it was she was really like a princess in the castle like it was like on shrek when the princess Fiona was in the castle and could not you know and honestly when we was in the house anytime she would laugh anytime she would look like she was having fun security would come get her like it was it was it was a horrible but good experience for me but I hated seeing her like that But I think in a lot of ways

When we talked to stuff She got to vent and express herself We both are Aries We both are eternally 12 You know what I'm saying We started to go She started to send the helicopter and stuff And we'd go to Disney World

And just fly one ride One ride and come back Just to like relax and stuff Like she was really Like trapped in that relationship And it was horrible Like I had to eat the fries at least Yeah she ate the fries on the way

Yeah on the way back We ate them in the car Now when people say the brat was the frat first female rapper to go platinum. What part of that achievement do you feel still doesn't get fully respected? I think I stopped caring, Charlemagne. It is what it is. That's what I did.

That is who I am. It can't be changed. Nobody else can be the first female rapper to ever sell a million record solo. Salt and Pepper was the first group. And I stopped caring about it a long time ago. That's game changing. Yeah, but what I'm going to do, everywhere I go, ask for respect. or ask that nobody forgets that.

Motherfuckers forget. And it is what it is. And I'm not going to wear it on a t-shirt every day. Like, I know what I did. And if people know, they know. And if they don't, they don't. Like, there's nothing I could do about people not respecting that. People don't have respect these days anymore.

That's not a thing that happens like it used to. Does it bother you at all? Because a lot of times when they mention female emcees, I feel like they don't mention the brat. No. They probably don't. But it don't bother me. It don't bother me.

Like I'll see some stuff And I'll be like Oh, they ain't put me in that But I don't be like mad or offended It is what it is You know People didn't know and respect me And love and appreciate what I did

They love and respect me And appreciate what I did But those that don't fuck them They can look at it in the history books Or find out when they hear it Because it's there It'll be there forever You also help make space

For like women who didn't fit The industry's idea I guess of feminine Do you feel acknowledged for that? No I don't really feel acknowledged for anything. I know when I came, when I was coming out as a rapper, MC Light, I looked up to MC Light because I saw myself in her.

And I, you know, I, Cha, Cha, Cha, and our MC Light songs, I just wanted to be like MC Light. And then Moni Love came along and she rapped fast. And we rap fast in Chicago because of Twister. Like Twister was my, Twister is my number one goat, in my opinion. I grew up wanting to be Twister. He was in the Guinness Book of World Records. He rapped fast.

So I patterned my style after Twister. And then when Snoop came out, I fell in love with Snoop. And then it was the whole funkadelic thing. And then when me and JD got in the studio, we did Funkify. I always wanted to know how I was working with Big. Man, oh, man, Biggie was everything. He was a big old teddy bear. Big old teddy bear smoked his back out.

Just was sweet to everybody. Had plenty bitches. They're talking about, he's talking about black, nasty motherfucker. and them bitches love some Biggie. Biggie had some holes. I'd be like, damn, Biggie, how you get that one? You know what I'm saying? And when we was in the studio,

I had never seen somebody not write their lyrics down. That was the first time I had saw that because we was doing the B-side, the song I got with Biggie. And we said, J-D's, and I was writing my legs. I'm like, oh, I'm going to beat this, I'm right my legs, I'm almost done. He's sitting there smoking.

He ain't going to be, we're going to be waiting on him. So when I was almost finished, I was like, Big, yo, what's up? When your verse is at? He's like, oh, I'm done. I said, nigga, you ain't even write it down. You ain't got no, pee in the page? He's like, no, I'm done.

I said, you ain't done. You're just saying that you're trying to put some pressure on me. He went in the studio, in the booth, and laid his verse down. And I was pissed. Like, ah, nigga, you really, how you memorized that? You smoked two pounds of weed just now, and you memorized that. And went in the booth and did it. So that was one of the amazing things about him besides his heart.

Like, Biggie was a really, really good dude and wanted to help everybody. How did y'all connect his people? because I even heard, I think Jay Z a while ago was saying how Big wanted everybody to move to Atlanta and it's like he used to play you and J.D. real close. Y'all was in each other's videos, even when y'all weren't on songs together. Like, how did y'all become such cool people?

Through J.D. Okay. Through J.D. I think when he was working on the remix for, it was a remix for Juicy, I think. And on the remix, that's my voice saying, true, because J.D. did the remix or whatever. Oh, damn for real.

Ever since then, me and Big just was just, cool. We instantly clicked. Him and JD instantly clicked and we all just hung out and stayed friends, checked on each other, visited each other, looked out for each other, you know, smoked all the time, whether it was in New York, or LA or Atlanta, like,

just cool people. Good people. The reason I think you should get more credit for, you know, being the first solo rapper to go platinum as a woman is because you were authentic in an era that they would tell us wasn't ready for it. Like everything that they said you I guess shouldn't be as a woman

rapper you were and you got rewarded for it. Even JD told me, don't expect to, you know, only expect to go-go, because female rappers pretty much go-go. So it shocked both of us when I went platinum. But, you know, I was just grateful. I didn't even really care about accolades. I just wanted the world to know me. You know, I wanted to do videos and be on TV and be famous and be able to take care of

my grandmothers, you know, which I got a chance to do before they pass. So that's all I wanted. How when you and JD so tight still? Like you always see that type of business relationship always mess up. But you're always still like big sister, any of the artists on that label. How are y'all still tight? Man, JD, never, he's always looked out for me and always genuinely love me. He never tried to cross me.

He never did no sneaky shit. He never had no parties that got me in trouble or no shit like that. He never even biting me. He never even let me go to the parties. He always, like, looked out. Like, when I first came around, he didn't want me even going to the club or hanging out or nothing. He just wanted me to work. And he taught me a valuable lesson.

An example, the song, Give It to You. I wanted to go out that night. I wanted to go to Magic City. I had, from Chicago, I used to go on the strip clubs. I wanted to see some bitches and throw some money in the air. Eat some shrimp and all that good shit. So I go out to the club. I come back.

Him and Chris Kelly, rest his soul, from Chris Cross, they had rope give it to you. And I was so fucking mad because it was such a hit. And I could not, I couldn't change nothing. And that taught me stay your ass in and work. Do not go out. So JD has a way of teaching you valuable lessons by the things that he does. And I really appreciate that and I'm grateful for that.

He's always looked out for me and been like the best big brother I could ever have. And still today, I don't make decisions in the industry or anything that I do without asking him, without running it past him. We don't get to see each other that much because I've been mommy in this stuff and he's been super busy. But I love that, nigger. We text each other every single day. We check on each other. We tell each other I love you every single day.

Same with Mariah. I just think it's important to let your friends know how you feel about them. Like I said, tomorrow's not promised and you want to make sure that you give love to those who love you and who support you.

So that's why you don't like strip clubs. Huh? That's why you don't like strip clubs because the first time you went, you missed giving tea. Yeah. Yeah. How you did with Bow Wow?

I seen you yell at Bow Wow a couple of times. She liked big six to him. You know, Bao, you be doing his own thing. like bow is just a different type of character I love him to death but when he fall by the wayside I gotta get in his ass and that's just the bottom line

like if he do something crazy and I'd be like nigga what the fuck is you doing like we're not doing that don't do that when him and jd go at it I don't like it I don't like it because without jd none of us would be where we are if jd didn't sign us and put us on so-so death and put his energy into us we would not be here so when he gets into it with jd I don't like it

I don't give a fuck if they like father and son and all of that That's all fine, but don't disrespect him. Like, don't do that because he's the reason you are where you are. Now, you might have got somewhere with Snoop, but Snoop brought you to JD, which means he trusted JD with you. So I just feel like he should never disrespect him. And when he crosses that line, it pisses me off. And I got to tell him. Or when he does something stupid, I got to tell him.

I'm that girl that's going to tell him. I'm not the one that's going to be like, it's okay, bow. No, that's not me. And I love that because it still comes from a place of love. Yeah, I love him. Discipline and then turn around and let you know you love him because even on the show, I think it was growing up hip-hop. I used to always getting his ass when he'll have his little temper tantrums

and everybody else around and be, no, it's okay. He'll go to the brat. Look, get your shit together. I love and respect that. Is this version of the brat with Judy, the version of you that the world didn't get to see because the times weren't ready? Absolutely.

Absolutely. You know, like I said, I wasn't trying to be vulnerable back then. I was just going to be the person I rapped about. And that was like my alter ego. The Chicago bitch that would fuck you up. The Chicago bitch that grew up defending myself. That's who I rapped about being. That's who the brat is.

You know what I'm saying? But with my beautiful, it's just like, you know, since I had my son, I just feel like my heart is just cracked open. Like I just, you know, I can cry at the drop of a dime. I watch a movie and fucking cry. Watch the notebook the other day. Bitch dog crying. I seen the movie 10 times, but I still cry.

Like, yeah. So this is the shantang, you know, that the world does not know. And I think that's awesome that I had that to say, plus the bitch was in the closet for so long. You know, I had a lot that was hidden anyway. So when it comes to love and relationships and vulnerability, I owe that all to my beautiful for bringing that out.

How difficult was it to do morning radio? Because you were probably one of the first artists that said, you know what? I'm going to put rapping to the side for a little bit and start doing the media side. How difficult was that? It wasn't difficult at all. Like, I really enjoy it.

I really enjoy it. like I just get to talk like we just sit here and fucking talk and make money and it's so natural you know some people can't do it but we can do it we're blessed to you know to have the talent to do it and it's so easy for us so it was it was easy because every time I used to go to to ricky smile and do like drops and stuff and I would just knock it out they would be like damn have you ever thought about doing radio and I'm like no I haven't but you know he was like you should come in you know, and we're going to see about you getting in. So I was like, okay.

So when I did it, it was easy. And it's a blessing. I've been doing it for like 10, 15 years now. And it's just so easy. I love when you curse people out. I heard a prank that they try to do on you, right? And the prank was it was Brad had a day off, right? And Ricky Smiley and the crew will call her every five minutes and ask her for something.

And it got to the point at the third time, he was like, yo, your motherfucker stop fucking caught. It was like, you could tell her it wasn't scripted. You would have to go to HR after that, the way she cursed mouth so bad. But I was trying not to. the first few times. I was, you know, I tried to keep my cool because I'm like, okay, maybe they need something that's work.

Then after a while, it's like, why the fuck do y'all keep calling me? I'll be back. Leave me the fuck alone. Today is my off date. Yo. She spires on them. Like spad crazy.

I love it when the brat was hitting on Wendy. Wendy. Wendy, who? Williams? Hey, yo. Wendy Williams? You already know. You already know.

You already know. What the hell are you doing? You already know. When we did our interview, she tried to say I hit on her. And I had to be like, bitch, no. I love you. You're a nice person. You're cool.

But you are not the type of bitch I would holler at. Oh, that was so funny, man. I was trying to figure out a way to nicely put her down. Like, girl, don't do that. I ain't never tried to her. She's talking about she had receipts. I said, I got the same phone bitch that I've been had for years. I got receipts, too.

I'll show you we can compare because I ain't, you ain't heard shit like that for me. I ain't never tried to hollet it. When was this like back in the day? back 2021 when it was on when she had a TV show yeah she interviewed me talking about I tried to hollered

I'm like bitch no I didn't you was not gonna do that to me and make it Jesus Christ if readers can take just one truth away from the way love goes

what do you hope of it is go ahead beautiful oh shit I'm sorry that it's never too late for love and not to give up on it

and it finds you when you stop looking for it. That's what I think. Okay. Judy is so cold. I see them chill bumps from over here. That girl was like, listen, this cold is hell in here. I said that when I came.

I know. I don't understand how y'all live in snow. I think they should take away that communication is very important. If you got situations in the beginning of the relationship, tell them motherfuckers, be transparent in the beginning. You know what I'm saying? because that was a mistake that I made that I could have lost what I have now. So I don't want anybody to ever lose the opportunity by lying or not coming clean in the beginning

and give that person a choice to decide if they still want to wait for you or not. Because if they really fucking with you and if it's meant to be, they will. So and what else? Make your bitch come 11 times. God, damn. 11 win. At one time, hold on now. 11 times when in one session?

In one session. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, if he didn't make his, his, no. What happened? Do it for 10 years?

Not 10 years. I met my wife when I was 16, right? No, that's right? No. I got to explain it. I got to have mercy. But I did, we met when we were 16. So she was my number one, right?

So when I, we used to watch, think about sex, I never had the birds and bees conversation. F you. I don't want to. I don't care about it. I won't know how to brand. I can do it 11 times. So what happened is I would watch porn, right?

And when you watch porn, you see bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Right. And I could not make her reach orgasm from sex. From the mouth, yes. So it took me a while until we started learning our bodies and we started having a conversation. But that was when I was 16 and it wasn't 10 years. She's a strong one. That's fair.

And the crazy part is she loves, she's a giver. So she loves to give. I'm talking she will, she will, because you can't just back to back. You got to do it. Then give me. Yeah. Give a little break. Right.

And then we could start again. Now that I'm thinking about this, did you want the world to know your skills or something? Yes. What did you mean? Like, why do you put this in the book? Uh-oh. Because we was talking about it.

We was talking about sex. And that is like, well, I only did that once. Well, tell me the name of the toy guy, so I can go out. It's no toy. It's no toy. It's no toys. Yeah, it was no toy. No toy.

No toy. I will tell you'd be fucked up, though. But at the end of the day, you'd be fucked up because that, you don't walk right. You don't walk right. But I think it's unfair, though, because she doesn't give me the opportunity to do that to her. Like, after one she's over with. I just need one good one.

But she makes me, I'm talking, she will fall asleep. I ain't no good after one. I can't help. That should have been your rap name, the nigger. That should have been your rap name, the nigger. Ladies and gentlemen, the way love goes a guide to building a beautiful and ever, lasting relationship. The brat and Judy, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for

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