The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Daniel Caesar Talks 'Son of Spergy,' YesJulz, Trump, Resenting Societal Systems, Marriage + More

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

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You're all finished or y'all done? Morning, everybody. It's DJ NV, Just Hilarious. Charlamagne de Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Lonla Roses here as well. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed.

Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Caesar. Welcome. Thank you. How you feel? Good. Hey, yeah. If nobody else going to applaud you, applaud yourself. How are you?

This guy gets it. How are you, man? I'm great. I'm great. I just got out of 48 hours of stomach. Not stomach flu. What's the other one? Oh, man.

A bad sandwich? Food poisoning. So I feel renewed. I feel like a new person, detoxed. Oh, yeah? Yeah. You sure it wasn't the stomach virus was going around. I mean, hearing about that, but it was like a day.

A day? Yeah. That's the same thing. It was something you ate. What a talented R&B singer you. are. Yes, you are. Absolutely. I was listening to Son of Spurgy. First of all, explain the title. Son of Spurgy. Is that he pronounced it? Spurgy. Okay. Yeah. That's my dad's, my dad's nickname. He's from Jamaica. He likes to, anytime he's talking, he'll go into a sermon at any moment.

There's a famous preacher called Charles Spurgeon. So they called him Spurgy when he was young. I want to go back a little bit, if y'all don't mind. For people that don't know who Daniel Caesar is, you're from Canada and tell everybody how you got into the music industry and your background your father you said is Jamaican and break it down a little bit for people that don't know Yeah my dad was a singer

Back in Montego Bay when he was young No Well I mean he always sang in the church Since he was little My grandmother heard that he could sing from school And she's like if you're not singing church I'll beat your ass So

But he was like doing dinner music and stuff at hotels the Jamaican tourism industry. And so he ends up in Canada, meets my mom from Barbados, and they both meet in Canada. And then I'm like singing when I was little. It's kind of just all of it. I used to just run around the house.

I used to play by myself a lot. I would just like sprint up and down the house and I'd be singing to myself or whatever. And then, yeah, and then high school came around. Then you started smoking weed and friends have studios. And it's a long story.

It's a long story. But, um, yeah around like high school I got kicked out of school and I was like it was around that time where I was like the way this whole thing is set up like I'm not about to I hate school I'm really bad at school I don't enjoy school and then I was like oh my god

one day I'm gonna finish school and then I'm gonna have to get a job and that's like school too so I'm like am I gonna do this for rest of my life and I'd rather die Jesus Christ no I'm serious though I don't really feel like that you felt like that at the time You didn't want to die No, I don't, no, no, I do feel like

I would rather die I don't want to die I'm gonna do what I want Yeah, yeah Like you say you want to be doing what you love It's yeah, doing what I love Okay, okay I don't just want to die for no, no

No, no, no If you're gonna make me do something I don't want to do I'll give me liberty or give me death You know what I mean? Oh, okay, okay That's like revolution though Not like, you know I mean sometimes being alive

Is a revolutionary act That is very real, like, you know You don't know, I want you They're trying to control you or make you be something Yeah. That, yeah. So is it true that your dad kicked you out the house and that's when you really took it serious?

No, my dad did not kick me out of the house but my dad did, which I respect as time passed. Of course. He was like, you're not just going to sit around here and sing songs and not go to university. And he had a heavy Jamaican accent, I'm sure. Only when he's angry. He actually has a great telephone voice for getting jobs

and stuff like that. But yeah, he's like, you're not just going to sit around here. in my house and not participate in this world that's going on outside the way that we think you should. So I was like, oh, okay, then I'll, you know. He's very strong-willed. I'm also very strong-willed.

So I was like, okay, I'll live outside. Honestly, you know what's crazy? I think if I was alive, like, I don't know, 500 years ago, I would have been like a pirate or a vagabond or something. You know what I mean? But you wouldn't to be homeless? I didn't want to be homeless

I just didn't want to do anything that I didn't want to do I'm saying were you Did you leave the house and go be homeless though Yeah I was I was like couch surfing You have friends And then there's always a home to

It's just like I was very strong-willed So it's like there's always a home to go back to But I have to go back under my father's rules And my father's, you know what I mean I respect it Respectfully you have a homeless aesthetic But I mean It's probably a thing going on

No no I love you bro It's definitely natural hair I love her here. No, it's why, yeah. No, I did it on purpose. You are not strong-willed. You are stubborn. That's what it was.

You're stubborn as hell. Because you told your dad, how old were you when your dad gave you that ultimatum? 17. Okay. That's around the age where you, like, think you know all the things. I mean, from my perspective, it turns out I did know. You know what I mean? Because he was telling you.

That was wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And I also believe, like, they didn't raise a dummy, right? So it's kind of like, I think everybody deep down knows what they should be doing. And then the universe is going to keep throwing things at you to suggest that you shouldn't be doing that. Gotcha. To scare you. And like being homeless or being poor is very scary.

Did you sing for like change and stuff? No, no, no. Oh, okay. It wasn't. It's called, it wasn't. No, I don't want to over-dramatized it. I had, I was a dishwasher. I would wash dishes in a restaurant.

He just went on on his own and figured it out. Yeah, figured it out. Yeah. But I want to hear about the signs that told you you should be singing. I know the signs that, you know, told you the things you shouldn't have been doing. But what were the signs that showed you you should be singing? My, I remember in, I went to like this, this boarding school, like Christian Academy. And so on Friday nights, it was seven-day Adventists.

So on Friday nights, we would have Vespers, kind of like Shabbat sort of situation. And I remember it was around that time when I was like, all right, I used to play some. sports and I was like, all right, I'm not that great at sports. So I started singing and playing the piano and they had me perform at Vespers and I sang this song and I not even joking. I feel like 30% of the of the people in the audience were like sobbing and it was cool. It was very and it was like guys, girls, some guys who their whole thing was like, I'm tough. You know, like whatever. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. Like the power was, was, I was like, oh, this is what I'm good at.

I'm useful at this. I'm valuable when I do this. So why don't I just do this so I can feel valuable all the time? You know what I mean? When did your pops come back and be like, you made the right decision? Or has that not happened yet? It has. And I mean, probably like, I've played some pretty big shows.

You know, they were at Madison Square Garden. That was one of them. Probably when we did in Toronto, Budweiser Stadium, or not stadium, it's not a stadium. It's an amphitheater. But it was just all those people singing the songs in here. He was like, okay, I got it now. And you honored them.

You honored them, you know, by name of your album, Son of Spurge. You put his face on the cover. Yeah. How does he feel about that? You know what? He's just such an interesting guy. He's so cool. But what he did, I put out a letter talking about my experience with him before that came out.

And that was the thing that really got him emotionally. But he's, you know what I mean? He's not like, yeah, I'm your dad. Yeah, you should. About time, you put me on the crime. You know, you've been very open about, like, your struggles with identity and faith and self-worth. I wonder at this point in your life, who is Daniel Caesar still unlearning to be? I've been thinking about this a lot lately

I internalize everything so that's kind of how I move to the world I kind of I think it's like because my dad is such a he's an immovable force so if I want something and I want to change his mind you just can't so you're like when people exhibit behaviors around me in the world

I just assume that that's who they are. I don't believe in like, hey, what you did made me feel this way and maybe you could change your, no, that's who you are. I'm either going to, and then it's like, I don't like that because then the next time you do it, I either have to be like, all right, I guess I'm just going to take it now. Or eventually I'm just going to have to separate from you, you know? So that sort of confrontation, it's like people are going to be who they are

until you decide what you're going to do about it. And there's violence or there's emotional violence or there's running away. Detachment, yeah. Or detachment. And so I just always kind of went through the world. Like some people are like this, some people are like that. Then you internalize it. And then I put the responsibility on myself,

how am I going to get around this? How am I going to not let that stop me from where I'm trying to go? But then you don't realize what you sacrifice in yourself. by not addressing some things when they happen in front of you. You know what I mean? And it's like, and then you're like, I am a crash out, you know? And sometimes it kind of just jumps out of me at the wrong times because I'm not addressing the things when I'm supposed to address them, you know?

And then you're just like, and you sometimes, and then you think that makes you a good person by not trying to control other people. and then the weight becomes too much and then you crash out and then you're like, damn, I wonder how many times I've hurt people that I care about because I was living my life in this way that I thought was right. You know what I mean?

Because usually you go to work and your asshole boss or whatever is putting a shit on you and then you take it and then you go home and then your kid, ask you for the new PlayStation and you yell at him. Yeah. You know? And so it's just kind of like the context of the world we live in.

It's just like it is capitalism. It is like somebody's, somebody's got to get screwed the other day. It's exploitation. This whole shit is built off of exploitation. Someone's got to get it. And usually it's the weakest, most genuine, kind, as friendly as person. I wonder why you internalize, I guess, other people's bullshit. Because, you know, I love the four agreements by Don McGillard.

Ruiz and one of his agreements is don't take anything personally because usually when somebody does some bullshit you would have nothing to do with you and exactly to what you just said something that's going on with with them. 100%. But then sometimes it's also like pattern recognition, you know? Like why do you keep attracting these type of people? Yeah, it's like, what about me makes it feel like because I, because it's almost naivete where it's like, oh, if I go around through the world and I treat people with respect, then people respect me, right? Isn't that how it works? And then you're like, oh, no, sometimes you

have to make people scared of you. And it's a Machiavellian, like, fear is stronger than love, you know? Is there a part of it, too, that, like, maybe is there like a longing for something from those people? Because, like, you mentioned patterns. And are those patterns hurting you when you continue to see them happening because you're trying to figure out why you're not worthy of that changing? Yeah. I think that was very good. I think so.

Because you mentioned your relationship with your dad a lot. Yeah. And in your letter, you talk about how he would warn you through, he would talk to you through stories and warn you about how the world was. And he was like very stern and very strong. Somewhere in there, it feels like, you know, there was a longing for something that you wanted from him that he tried to give you, but it wasn't the way you needed it.

It feels like his approval, right? Yeah. Yeah. Which is the oldest story. Of course. You know what I mean? And it's just, but this, this record. 100% true.

And this record is kind of just like, I know that man very well. And in all things, he tries very hard. You know what I mean? He's a very principal man. He's an honest man. But just some things. Okay.

Okay. Get into it. There's just some things. You know, like dad's dry, but there's just some things that, okay, my actual, this is all connected, I promise. My actual real theory or real beef is just like, does it ever feel like the way that we structure societies in the West, the nuclear family? Does it ever feel like that's not natural to people? Like, you know what I mean?

Like all the people that I know that are good at monogamy are good at, you know, just that sort of nuclear family are white. you know and so I'm just I disagree with that what do you mean no all the people I'm talking about personally through my life you know what I mean and um sorry this this excites this topic excites

a lot okay and I'm just like it's so much responsibility to put on one man in a house what to be faithful well for I'm speaking about for me Yeah, I would say to be faithful, I'm 30. 30, okay, okay.

You still got a different type of dicted us. Oh, my God. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. So it's like you're faithful to that man now. Now. But there was a time you're supposed to provide. You're supposed to go out and deal with all this shit in the world that you're protecting your family from, your girls.

You're supposed to go out, provide, deal with all this shit, protect. Yeah. And someone gets to tell you what you can and can't do. their dick as well. You know what I mean? I don't think it's about somebody telling you what you can and can't do. When you, you know, decide to make vows with a woman and you tell God, this is the woman that I want to spend the rest of my life with and be faithful, you made that commitment. Exactly.

Which is why. And I have a woman in my life that I love and I care about very much. But it feels irresponsible. No, she's not. Okay. She's not. But it feels very irresponsible of me to make that promise. Because I.

Because you're not ready. Yeah. I don't think so. But I'm like, am I going to be ready when I'm 50? You know what I mean? But that's honest though. It is honest. But that's the way you should be.

And most people our age wish we would have been that honest a long time ago. That's a level of emotional intelligence a lot of us didn't have. Yeah. But I just think, I just think like so much in the society in which we live is counterintuitive. I'm like, what were we doing before imperialism, before colonialism, before colonialism, when we were, you know, wherever we were on the globe, living. unbothered by anybody trying to take or exploit or do anything. Is this how we set up our families and how we set up our communities? Like one man, one woman, children, house, neighbors stay over there, don't talk to strangers.

Like, you know, all this sort of is, is this natural? Is this the way we... Like isolation? It's so isolated. You know, you're in a home in the suburbs and you have a car and you have a backyard. And all this shit is happening in everybody's homes and we're supposed to go out and like not talk to each other. Look how kids behave. My mom takes pills to go and they're at the park.

Talking about my mom does this. They want to connect. They want to go out and whatever. And we train them from young. No, your neighbor's not your friend. That's the thing. These societies, there's too many people. And you get on the bus and you might get stabbed in your neck or something.

Like, because there's no trust. Because everybody, you know what I mean? Ian Levon Zanao's here. I talked about intellectualizing spirit. And I think that's what you're doing right now. You're intellectualizing your spirit, when you should just feel. If what you feel is true to you, then let that be cool. If you don't feel like you're ready to settle down with one woman at 30, it's okay and be honest with that woman.

There's nothing wrong with that. I think it's more than that, though, for you. I think it's the whole thing. I'm doing that. It gets... What was your household like growing up? It was honestly, it was great. It was a Caribbean household.

You know what I mean? but it was like do you know what the thing was because I have the same experience as so many other people that look like me I was the one Caribbean household on us I grew up on this

this private high school academy my parents my dad worked there right this was a white school white town white white white white white white white white white white white white and so I'm the only Caribbean family on this street where all the rich white kids live

yeah they weren't even they weren't even rich it just felt like they're rich because they all had cottages and shit but they were everyone's making the same amount of money and um yeah and so it's it's it's purely just like everyone everyone got gets beat as a kid but like when you live on that street you're the only one that gets beat you know and then all these things feel so much more egregious

because of proximity to what everyone's living like around you. You know what I mean? And so, again, I get older. Was your dad, was your household growing up, a tight household, where it was just your mom and your dad? And you've seen that union that you looking for it. Yeah, 100%. 100%.

But I also see what is sacrificed in oneself to sustain that. So did you have conversations with your father, though? Like about that? Have you had conversations? Did he tell you that he was faithful to his wife? I mean, I don't know. Did he tell you he was happy? Right.

Yeah. But it's kind of like there are just some things. Sometimes I don't know. I look at like married couples and stuff like that. It almost feels like a big conspiracy where it's just like we're married. So of course we're happy because we're married and everyone should want merit. The whole society is structured. is based off of people getting married,

having families, going out to their job and what, you know what I mean? So even if you're not, it's like the real, the reality is like, as over time, as women get more rights in society,

divorce goes up. So it's like, everybody's happy, but is everybody happy if everybody's getting divorced? My parents are still together, mind you. And they love each other and they respect each other.

But I just, sometimes I think, and I'm just like, I know, and I'm the same as my dad. dad. Sometimes it's like he's bound by honor. He's a man of his word. You know what I mean? And so it's like, you are my kids. I'm not going to run out on you. But you can't, you can't lie about what's going on in your head. Like, when you come home and you're like, bro, this shit again. You know what I mean?

It's like, I'm doing the job because I'm bound by honor to do the job. But I would rather be out being a person, and being free, running around. I get what you're saying, but marriage is hard work. Like, nobody ever said it wasn't. Yeah, I think when you have conversations with married couples, like, yeah, it's hard. It's tough, you know what I mean? You're going to have your good days.

You're going to have your bad days. But you have to want to do it, though. You got to want to do it, yeah. And for me, I have dedicated my life to making art. And sometimes it feels as though it's like they're kind of. But you're also only 30, though. Yeah, you're very young. But you know what?

Somebody said this to me yesterday, right? They were doing my kids here. And she said, you know, I'm surprised to see you like this with your kids. And I'm like, well, what does that mean? She was like, I do. He was here all the time. And usually the breadwinners make money. When they come home, they go in their little cocoon and they don't want to see their kids.

It was like, but you help your kids with Homer. You pick them up. You take them to dance. You just that and the other. Because I have a responsibility to my kids. I love them. It doesn't feel like a job. It doesn't feel like I'm coming home and, oh, fuck, I got to do this again.

No. That's why I had those kids. That's why I love those kids. There are some people that feel differently and say, you know what, I'm more into my art. I need to create. You take care of the kids. But those are the kids that are usually, you know, don't have a father, need a father figure, have those type of traumas and have those type of problems.

I care more about raising those kids than any art form than any type of money than anything like that. But I see that. But that's the commitment that I made to my family. I didn't have to. I didn't have to have those kids. You didn't have to have kids or whatever it may be. Once you make that commitment to have that child or that relationship as a man, you talk about honor, you should do what's right. Well, let me know if you need another hairstylist for them kids because she wasn't supposed to say that to you.

I'm surprised that you're here like that. You know, when you bring Dominican kids to like a black to like a black society. You know what I'm saying? You know how that goes. I'm like, you know, black, black. I'm like, I'm like, I'm not. I'm black. I know what I'm black.

Before we get off this topic, right, because this. whole conversation reminds me of a sins of a father, the song that you end your project with. In that project, you say, Dad was forgetful. He promised a lot. Thankfully, he never got caught. Then you talk about forgetting someone's birthday and someone saying, I'm sorry, dear, and you're struggling between the love and honor that your actual father has and the love and honor that the father above is like, you know what I mean? So was your dad not like how envy is describing he was? Is that where some of this, like, no, my dad was like that. That's what made me like that.

Exactly. And my dad's dad was an orphan from like, from the slums of Jamaica. The man suffered, I can't, I can't, around that time, especially with the British over there fucking doing whatever the British do. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the level of abuse that he sustained, I'm sure is horrible, you know? And so sometimes I'm just like, no, my, I mean, he probably forgot my birthday. My mom wouldn't forget my birthday.

Jesus. No, no, no, not like, are your only job? No, no, no, I got four brothers, three brothers. But one of my favorite stories and my dad is him telling me about the time to his mom, he's like at the dinner table with his mom, and she's like, wasn't it your birthday last week?

Something like that? And my dad was like, oh, yeah, I guess it was my birthday. You know what I mean? And it's such a small little thing, but you're like, damn, and my family, we're not a birthday family. And I always with girlfriends and stuff I like Christmas birthdays I resent that's like

because I will buy you sometimes I'll be out and I'll see something that makes me think of you and I'll be like I love this girl so much I'm gonna get this for right now but when birthday comes don't look at me you know what I mean because it's just like I'm not subscribing to this whole shit

I agree with that I agree I don't like the expectation I do this all year round like why do I have to do it on this specific day I do it when I Maybe not for birthday but definitely for Christmas I feel it that way I do exactly

I don't like the I just don't like that it's it's there's so many variables and exterior pressures on us all the times and I get

I'm clearly like I get a little neurotic and like I'll like follow a train of thought like very very deep okay I actually know what you're saying but you know what I'm saying

and it's just kind of like you don't like systems you don't like systems no especially because all the systems that we exist in, like, we are the least valuable people in those systems. You know what I mean?

So it's like, I resent all these systems, all these structures. And so me doing whatever the fuck I want and saying things and I can be very obnoxious. I can be very irritating and annoying sometimes, but it's just like,

like how this interview started. Sometimes just being whoever you are is the act of, is the rebellion or is the revolutionary act. It's just like, you want me to be this, I look like this, so I have to talk like this and dress like this. No, bro's a little weird, but he's cool.

You know what I mean? I wouldn't even label you weird. Exactly. Well, I have, I mean. You are who you are. And I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah.

He just healed something in me right there. He's a little weird, though. He's definitely a weirdo. I think people who name call people weird or weird. They don't really know themselves. I'm weird. I agree. You probably caught me weird at least a hundred times.

I've never used that word to you ever. I'm very descriptive. He's six down. He's a tall. There you're tard. There you. There you go. There you.

There you go. I'm very specific. Okay. What part of Daniel Seizier do fans still misunderstand the most? And is that your fault? Yeah, it is my fault. And definitely my cynicism, my sense of humor, you know? Or just by, yeah, starting with my cynicism and my sense of humor,

where it's like something that happened a couple months ago, you know, when Trump and the ice things first started happening, you know, a couple weeks before. You had some concern because Jamaica, Barbados, Canada, you just weren't sure. Shut up, man. I got a great visa, man. But, I mean, he's also, nobody's safe. Right.

But, no, do you remember when Trump, Instagram first started to really get crazy and it was like it's been a decade I don't know it's been a long time no at least for me when I saw this like AI image with the trains with the planes and the trains and the jumping the shit on people no with the

let's start deportations now or something like that oh and me I saw that and I was like whoa this is really crazy what are you living in like what is this and it was it's funny to me it's objectively funny and I get

Some people will see that. They'll see me like the post or something and they're like, this guy fucking, you know, and I completely get that. I've kind of had to, I don't have the processing power, the mental processing power to, in all moments of my life,

think about what the internet will think about what I do and then move accordingly. It's just too, it's too much. Yeah. So I just, you don't have to like it. Like you can mentally look at something, you know, and see all the nuance of it, right?

Know that it's some bullshit, but also maybe kind of find it funny. But you don't have to like it. Like you said you don't like systems. So who said you got to like it? No, when I say, I mean, press the like button. But who said you got to do that? You're only doing that because it's there. Yeah.

So you want people to know that you like it or like do you just? No, no, no, no, no, no. I just, I almost like use social media sometimes like a boomer. Like, I am one of the New Year's things that I'm doing as I'm getting a light phone because I am like with my phone. It's too much. If I see it and I think it's funny, I press like and I keep scrolling. I got you. I don't think of it.

You've conformed to a system. Yeah. Yeah, no, I was preyed upon by the, the, it's, I'm dopamine. I'm an addict. I, that is in my, like, I am that type of personality. I'm an addict. So if you get, if you make me feel good, then. then you're in there, you know what I mean?

Yeah. And that's another thing in, you know, growing up becoming a man where it's just like, oh my God, they're beset by evil on all sides. Like, if I don't exercise self-discipline, I'm cooked. You know? You're very self-aware.

I mean, you know, I try. Or else we're a dude down here, you know? I want to talk about, hey, have a baby by me. Have a baby with me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I also, before, I just, I wanted to be clear that my,

that my dad, Dad is like he's a he loved us very much and he was very kind and very gentle. And when I hear stories about his upbringing, he went from here to here. That's all. I just, I'm just very sensitive. And so whatever it was, you know, but he was a great. You're understanding him as a man now, not as your dad. Exactly.

And hold on one more quick thing to clear this up. Do you support Trump? No. Okay. I think he's hilarious. And I think that America, I think Trump is the president. that he I think Trump was inevitable

and I think what he's what ICE is going on America got what it deserved is what she said Yeah this is how the country was started It's a criminal ass you know what I mean It was eventually gonna get here and now it's like I always think Donald Trump is the Frankenstein monster of white supremacy Exactly exactly

And now it's like now there's Ises shooting white ladies Now everyone's scared You know what I mean This was always Eventually these systems that it's like Oh no they're over in Africa Fuck them

You know they're over in over there, fuck them. Now they're shooting suburban white ladies. You know what I mean? You should unlike the post. Oh, my God. But, and you know what? And here comes the main flaw in my character.

Don't tell me what to do. And don't try and, don't try and shame me. I would have what I'm going to do. It is. And you're 100% right. And I will, the universe God will, I will, I will suffer and I have suffer. You said you're getting a light phone, like a phone where it's a light phone. No, it's like no apps.

I just need to get off. Yeah, it's like you can get music and you can get maps. You know what you should do? Don't give me $100,000. Don't find what it is. You should not do. Don't ever give me $100,000. If you can program that into my brain while giving me dopamine, then that would work.

Don't give me a million dollars. You need dopamine. Motherfucker. Don't give me a hundred dollars. You got a hook in your pocket right now. I'm very poor. But let's go back. Wait, hold on wait.

Before you go back, I'm not looking at me, bro. I'm very poor. Stop. So, okay, so, because you said you don't like to be told what not to do, right? But you're getting this phone that doesn't have these apps because you're getting the backlash to the things that you're doing. No, exactly. So it's like I am putting, I have to put up the parameters for myself. I am going to just whatever.

It's the same with dealing with money. I have to set up things with my business manager. because I don't I can't control You know yourself I know yourself I know myself I got to put myself in my own cage

Or somebody else will put me in a cage Did the yes Joel's moment Kind of get you here too? Yeah 100 Yes Jill's moment Oh it's iconic Okay

I didn't know you would call iconic But so Yes Jules was People were coming for her Because she had posted That t-shirt Or it came back up The Niggas Lylat

T-shirt And then she was Oh she wore her t-shirt that said niggas blind out. She had tweeted the shirt and people were coming for her just talking about the whole cultural appropriation thing like they always do with her

and... Oh, she's white, right? Yeah, she's white. And you got online and a drunk rent and you basically said people should leave her alone. She should be able to say what she wants to say because we're mean to people but we act like we don't understand why people have a reaction. I can read your words

verbatim but that was me summarizing it. No, 100%. And I mean This is great. It was it was um i internalize everything and that's that's the whole thing like i was like i internalize everything you guys should internalize everything and then you'll get all this no and all this is nothing i disagree i don't yeah you can don't no no no no no no no no well i agree but that that that was where that was coming from okay that's what that was and on and and for years after you know what i mean it's like

These things aren't going to boom me out of nothing. I believe that and I still believe it. And as time has passed, I'm like, oh, they were, no, they were 100% right. That is what you, when you accept this type of behavior from people that throughout history have exemplified to you that they hate you. And then you accept the behavior to get out of the circumstances that you're in, you are giving up, you are giving up, it's undignified. You're giving up your own dignity, which I never really, it never crossed my mind. You know what I mean? Because it was just kind of like the way.

When I say survival, it's not like I ever feared for my life or anything like that. You know what I mean? But it was just like growing up, I had to, I'd be personally the way that I moved to the world was like, yeah, bro, white people are like, you know what I mean? That's just how they are. And I don't really see them because they don't even know. Half the time they don't even know the weird shit that they be doing or the way they moved to the world. You know what I disagree with that. they do.

Because maybe the only reason I say that when it comes to legislation, like we talk about systems, like somebody had to create the system. So clearly somebody knew what the fuck thing was doing. If you put, if you label somebody only three quarters of a human being. Yeah. That's an intentional choice.

Well, okay. Yes. And that's your, I, in the spirit of self-awareness, my, I don't even subscribe to or participate in politics

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well that actually, the country is founded on racism. I just don't think that playing the game of politics will solve the issue. It's like a, I think politics is downstream from a deeper issue, a spiritual issue. You know, like politics is dealing in the physical. Like, like, mind proceeds, mind precedes,

proceed, spirit proceeds form. You know what I mean? So it's like, what we're dealing with is like, what we're dealing with is, is evil. Politics, I just don't, me personally. But I agree with you, but election, but it's not smart enough to be able to, you know. You know, elections do have consequences.

And I mean, when you see, you know, people's civil liberties being rolled back the way that they are now, then you have to disagree with yourself. Yeah, no, but I just think, I personally assume that whoever, if we put Kamala, Kamala, whoever we put in there, eventually this is going to happen. That's my personal, but that's cynicism. And maybe if we vote right one day, America, black people will run America and it'll be our country. I don't, I mean, I don't know.

It just doesn't feel, it just doesn't, it just doesn't. What's just got to do with, yes, Jew? I was going to ask, I was that, is that your homie or would you date? No, no, no, no, no. You stand up for her during that time. I mean, that was like a trauma response. It was just like I saw, when I look at gesturals, I see an orphan girl that wants to be black.

You know what I mean? And I'm like, damn, that's so mean, bro. She doesn't like. So she could come to your girl at that time. That is hilarious. I don't know nothing about us. I guess, I mean, I don't. I was just like, I felt bad for her, especially being a black kid that grew

only surrounded by white people. I'm like, the way she grew up, what is she supposed to do? She's trying to embody what she understands. But your othering is so different than hers, though. Okay. And I think, yes, Jules, I think yes, Jules is a, like, it's not even about her. The conversation that people try to have about her is a bigger conversation about what we allow culturally and what we should protect and all those things.

So I think that's where people's frustration comes in when you jump out the window for her. And it's not just about her, you know what I mean? But you said you get in there. Yeah. He's trying to explain that this is, he understands it now because of his way of thinking. Yeah, no, no, no, I don't and I wouldn't. It was a, it was meant to happen. It was meant, and I almost don't regret it because I don't think I would have come to this understanding of what's going on in myself and in the world around me.

If I hadn't done that, you know, because I was just like internalizing. And I didn't realize, I was like, oh my God, all this choosing to internalize, they call me a, Koo, and I was like, I was like, there's no way because I think this, this, this and this and this. And then I'm like, oh my God, have I been sacrificing my dignity by internalizing things? Sometimes when someone comes to you the wrong way, you're supposed to crash out immediately on the spot, you know? But there's just been so many moments in my life where someone says something that's a little weird or whatever. And I'm just like, you know, your fight or flight and you're like, wait, is that weird? Am I supposed to cuss out everybody in this room?

and not am I supposed to stop, you know? So basically you just saw a girl that wanted to be black that just, you know, wore a shirt that it didn't really mean anything to you. It was just like, yo, this is just another girl orphaned. She won't, she won't be black. It's naive because I was moving to the world really believing like, oh, maybe we could all come together

and understand each other. And spending this much time in America, I'm like, oh, no. But if you think all, all, um, all Lives matter No Yo Frick-in-ass

All virality All virality are all like codes of Codes of moving to the world It's like Oh my God If you follow it to Any thought process

To the very end It's like All right Who are we killing That's actually what it is Someone's got to die That's how this whole world Is set up

It's like These group of people Believe this And we believe this and we believe this and we will never agree so we have to kill them. Damn, damn, yeah. What did you ultimately learn from the situation?

That's what I'm getting. I'm getting that you learned something from that situation. I did. And what? The niggas don't lie, lie. Yeah, I learned I learned it's a shit show out here and all that I can

that what I say this. I can only control me and the world around me is is of my own creation you know and you go through things and you experience them and if you don't want it to happen again

you look at what went wrong and you try and adjust did the backlash you faith make you more guarded as an artist or more honest more guarded and now more honest because it's all like it forever changed the trajectory of my whole life, you know?

Really? What do you mean? Yeah, for sure. Because it was just, I just, I thought I was being honest with myself and that I didn't realize how, first I didn't realize how much anger and hatred I had in my own heart. For who?

Your own people or? No, no, no, no. I mean, for the world around me and for myself. It's kind of, it's all like, hey, it's all like, I am, you, you are. Yeah, it's all the same. It's all flowing. The separation that you are a different person than me and you and you have your own life, it's not real.

You know, you drop some acid and you're like, oh, we're actually all one. We're all just different leaves on a tree, you know? The separation that we think we feel, it is, it's mercy. It's mercy because the reality is that there is only one. spirit and it's floating out in space and it's alone. The reality of existence is that we're alone. And there's only, I'm a figment of your imagination. I am, you're a figment of my imagination.

I am actually the center of the universe. None of you guys are real. But also, I am a figment of your imagination. I'm not real. You're alone. There's nobody else here. You're all just energies moving through time. I swear I heard Jim Carrey say something like this before.

I mean, it's like. I literally heard somebody say this. Sorry, Jim, if you didn't. But I thought he said something like this before, one of them Golden Globes, red carpets. These are the spiritual practices of anyone pre-colonialism. Do you do shrooms or ayahuasca or anything like that?

You do, okay. Oh, acid. Oh, you just talking about like that? I mean, like on the bath salts a little bit. Okay. All right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Just a little something.

He said bath salt. They go that for. Okay, cool. That's interesting. I feel the exact opposite. I feel like, you know, human connection is the only reason that we exist. No, I feel like all this is real

because of human connection. That's why we yearn so much for it because when you connect with someone, even when you, it's like you're long for connection. Like you see a girl and she's so beautiful, you know, and you go and talk to her. And she doesn't like you,

and you're like, damn, in that pain that you feel where it's like, what's wrong with me? And then you realize it's beautiful because I really believe in that moment that she's not me and so I'm not alone and then you meet you meet someone and you fall in love with them and it's the beautiful and you have a crazy experience together and it's the same it's like oh my god I'm not alone in this world you know and then things happen and it's you know and then you are alone again

and then you're you're remember I feel like I'm really And then you are on again. Do you feel me? No, it doesn't matter. Nobody's judging you. No, not at all. I'm just listening. Yeah.

No, but it's, yeah, and then, and then, yeah, but no, life is about human connection. And that's kind of the whole way I've structured my life. You know, I write songs about human connection. And that's why, another reason why marriage is scary to me, because it's like to, to choose to marry is to be like, all right, connection. Got it. No more connections. No more. No, no.

No, no. No, no. No, no. No. No. No. No. don't always, that's what we mess up.

Connections don't always have to be romantic. Connections don't always have to be, you know, intimate on a sexual level. Connections can be a new friend that you meet. Connection can be somebody that you get in the studio with. That's a producer and y'all connect and y'all create something that's an amazing record. But for him, we try to run through him. That's what you're talking about. Run through is crazy.

Have you ever, you've never, like, I am, it's dopamine. The most powerful connection is the connection that is Eros is, a, You know what I mean? Is all the different types of love one can experience? That's what I mean you always got to fuck something though. That's what I just told you. Oh, he's trying to run through. Yeah, but you don't always have to do that.

Actually, to me, one of the most powerful connections is when you meet a woman, like, you know, all of these women in this room, even from Natina on down are women that I have met. There's no sexual attraction. Even just people that I consider my homegirls, my sisters, I love them. Sometimes that is a more powerful dopamine hit than having sex. I feel like you're not understaff- I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I can. can't have, I don't have friends. You're talking about that first feeling when you fall in love and it's energetic and it's like whatever, right?

But I think because they've been married for like a lot of time, right? What I'm, what I think you're missing from what they're saying is that even with your partner, if you're just talking about wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, there are so many different experiences where that same dopamine feeling comes with that same person, just depending on where you are in the relationship, what's happening. It's work though. That depends on him, too. out of that work to refill that feeling because you think it's only one instant hint.

That's a great point for a single person. I'm not going to front, Lauren. That was a good point. I'm not single. I'm sure you know. There's certain points that you get old and you look at your wife sometime and you're like, damn, man, I hit the lottery. Like I love my wife.

I've been on my wife for 20. I'm saying all the time. I'm glad I didn't fuck this shit up. Absolutely. I've been on the same one for 27 28 years. Let me ask you a question. When you were younger, did you have a lot of girlfriends or were you the one that didn't because you went to a white school, they didn't appreciate you.

like they should have. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't date until ninth grade. And that's the reason why he probably feels the way that he did. He never really felt accepted when you was growing up as a kid. He never had the love. He never had that friendship. That's great. It's a smile. They called you ugly. All that stuff.

But that's the reason. But that's the reason he's acting like he is because he never had that love growing up. So now when he's a celebrity, he's a star, he can pick and choose where he slings his good. And even then though, it gets empty at some point. Because and have a baby with me, right? Of course it gets

But With me in preemphasis Yeah Because that was It was funny That's intense Was that I was funny With me

Like Yeah Like not with the other dude So what woman left you That you was like Don't leave please I'll put a baby And you don't leave

Okay Okay No no So Um That's the Like the girl That I wrote

My first Freudian about Was yeah That was like a whole that was a whole thing and um but have a baby is like it's funny to put it in parentheses yeah because of the experiences that i had that's my other thing like with you really you're okay so yeah you guys you nailed it it's um in relationships i can't help but feel like it's about controlling what the other person does.

I feel controlled. When I'm this person, I feel like going over here and doing this or running around and doing that. And you tell me it hurts you, but I'm just being myself, you know? So what do you want me to do? You want me to be somebody else? This is, I didn't get you by being somebody else.

I got you by being myself. You know? But at a part in the song When you're talking to her It sounds like she's like putting her clothes on She's about to leave But that's like the physical But in like

Thinking about it She's kind of tapping out of the relationship Right You're almost like begging her to not At some point Because you realize that You start all these little fires And it got you to this point

And you just want to give her that dream Like what she thought Or where she thought you guys would end up So how are two things synonymous Like how do you feel like that But then when she's putting on her clothes And she's ready to leave You're like, no, have a baby with me.

With me. Like, let's do this thing. Like, how is that? Yes. Because I'm selfish. Is your ass toxic? Yeah, he said he's selfish. Yeah, I'm glad.

That's very self-aware. Yeah, selfish. That's kind of, I mean, that's being an artist, that's a thing. Being an artist is like, that is that you can't be a good artist to not be selfish. It's about I experience stimuli from the outside world. And I'm not worried about the outside world. I'm worried about how I feel about it. Because then I go to the studio and I do what I got to do.

And I, and I'd. process it and I go through it. I'm not worried about what's... Which is the greatest dopamine high ever for you. It gives my life literal value. You know what I mean? Was there a woman that changed you though? Was there a woman that made you start acting like that?

Or when you started being the one that these women started liking it changed you? Because at one time, I'm sure you didn't feel accepted. How you don't you like you though? Maybe it was rejection. How you know it's not just the fame or the money or the celebrity. I really don't. You don't know. You don't know.

It's only over time. And is that why you being selfish? I don't know why you like me because they didn't like me. So I'm just going to sling dick to everybody. I have a baby with me. Yeah, because I want an artifact of our love. I want an artifact. No, no, no, no.

You ain't ready to have kids. Yeah, Jesus Christ. So you love the idea of what that is. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Not in the buns. In the bun. No, no, no, no.

Okay. So no one's pregnant. No, no, no. Yeah, okay. Give him some time to process the question, though. Yeah. Oh, internalized. Go ahead.

That's so interesting. Is artifact that crazy? Yes. Yes. It sounds like you want an emblem. Like a gift shop at an airport. It's like a souvenir. They call a baby that?

Yeah, that's crazy. Look at my souvenir. Yo, he's six today. Like, what? We'll holler. Next year for Christmas. Oh, you don't do Christmas. You know, just a.

Interesting. I think once you get through this baby. You want to take that text back, don't you? You sent somebody that. You said somebody that. You didn't tell us like that. I love you did. No, I've definitely said that.

No, I've said that a bunch of times. They'd be eating it up. Would they be seeing a bet? No, it'll be text. No, no, no, no. It's usually, I use that term when I'm in debate about the subject, not when I'm sweet talking. Which I guess maybe.

Yes. Now that. Yes. Let me have a question. Is this album more of a confession or a therapy session or a spiritual reckoning? Mm. I mean, I personally always get to speak. spiritual reckoning through confession.

I love the thought of singing it. You can say whatever you want when you're singing it. And you can say a lot of things. I mean, a lot of things have been said here today that are insane to say in conversation with strangers. But, and that's just something I like to do. But it's still conversation. You know, it's how you feel.

And it's connection. I feel like, you know, I want connection. I feel, you know. But yeah, I would say spiritual. Reckoning. I would say spiritual reckoning. But it's, it's,

I'm still caught up on this artifact. I, when I say artifact, I mean like, I don't mean I want to have a kid and then disappear. I don't believe in that.

I'm like my dad where it's like, like bound by honor, you know, to something like that. It's just more of a, um, it's more of a,

I don't think I can be married. I just want to co-parent You said all of that just to say this I just want you to know You just want to co-parent Give them a copy of your book Jess has a book coming out called

Tell Death Do We Parent on Black Privilege Publishing Simon & Schuster And it's all about co-parenting Yeah So I just Okay so do you co-parent? I co-parent well with my son's father

Yep So she's married to And I'm married Oh you're married You're married You're married to my son's father I'm married Your son's father was divorced

Or was it just a No no no That was just a relationship We met when we were What 19 or something like that and we had a baby. An artifact of their love. And then, oh, my, my son Ashton, you are not an artifact, Ash.

But yes, we did have an artifact. His name's Ashton? Yes, Ashton. My name's Ashton. Is it? Yeah, that's what my mom called me. I thought your name was Daniel. No, no, no, no.

That was a whole other, my dad was like, if you're not going to sing gospel music, you can't use my name. Wow. Damn. Okay. So, okay, so you've never been divorced. No, that's my first time being married. I love it. It's great.

Okay. I've only been married. married for like seven, eight months, though. But yep, so we're newlyweds, but yep, I love it. Okay. You're going to read this book. So you can just give it. Can I get home?

Yes, you can have this. Yes, we can't. Yes, he can't. Did you advise him to start out co-parenting first if he knows is what he wants to do? Or do you advise him to do? No, no, no, no. We want him to read it. But go.

No, I wouldn't advise him. He was breaking it back down. You were saying, you have a kid. Go. Action. You were just saying, yeah, I, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, just like, I am just kind of like, I'm just very anti-divorced.

And I'm just like, why, why can't I just promise someone what I know, what I believe, that I can promise them? Or I can promise them more than I think I should promise them. We get divorced and then we still end up doing this anyhow. How many people are out here to gopair? I'm just, I'm just, being self-aware and trying to circumvent. And maybe that's it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, Howard is trying to circumvent the pain or the, you know, but it's just kind of like, why?

It's like, yo, shortcut, baby. All right, let's co-parent right here right now because I know I cannot be, I can't participate in the act of monogamy with you right now, like, because that's not how I feel. Marriage, it does not serve me. I don't like it, all the things attached to it. I do want a child. I want my own offspring, though, and I would love to co-parent with you. That's what it is.

So you got to find somebody that's like you, that is okay with that, to do that with. And there are women like that. All your money and your shoes as well. No. If you play around with these women like that. It is. I don't know. No, no, no.

No, no. No, no. And these are fucking alive and getting so many compliments at least. But, uh, no, no, no. But there are women who love, who will do that. Here's a thing. And here's the thing. Because I've been so honest today, I understand that there's probably, it's easy to assume

that, um, that I have a deep, that I don't understand women or like, or how, like, I'm a sitting duck for getting exploited by a woman that just wants for my money. I don't agree. I've been, I've been, you know what I mean? I know I can pick a woman to have a child with.

I'm not like, I have real, I have values, you know? And they, sometimes it's like the, that's another thing. It's like, sometimes the woman. that aligns with my values I actually find this often the woman that aligns the most with my values does not make me feel passion

but she's she's a very good person and a great baby maker no no not even not even no it's not even like even like she like not even a sexual thing it's just like her values

I respect her values you know um how much time do you have go I have a guy okay Do you think, Daniel. I have another. Ashton. I don't know what you'd call you now.

Ashden. I mean, off-screen, do you guys call me Ashton all you are? Okay. Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. Okay. This is another, I'm filled with theories and obnoxious. I know. I want to hear it is.

I think one of the major reasons as to why, and people are going to be upset with me for saying this, as to why the institution of marriage is suffering so much is because I personally think that there was farther back in society I said the old thing

like with like farther farther back in time there was a clear distinction amongst the classes of women in society there were women that you court and they don't and they're

you know what I mean and that you don't have sex before marriage and all this stuff and then you know you do the whole thing and there were prostitutes and there was a clear distinction in society and men weren't just like... Tupac said that too. Tupac said that there's between

bitches and holes and black queens. Exactly. I don't know if I agree with that, but I understand what you're saying. I'm also, because all people are... I'm talking about the systems in which we live. They had to pick. You have to pick.

All women, because all women want to be free and to experience. Prostitutes, the benefit of being prostitute is you get to, you're not, beholden to all these different rules that the wives have to be holden to you can be free you can move to society as you want you know what I mean however obviously your life is highly in danger you know all these different your you're you're down to be as prostitute like a there's mistresses that feel like that there's a mistress that feels like

I don't want to be the wife I'm just happy being I know but now we're getting into subgroups if you if you boil it down it's like the wife is going to call the mistress a prostitute same thing you know I mean pretty much yeah yeah yeah in the whole is a The girl that excites you that you have a baby with, she's on the courting side, for sure. Or is she on a prostitute side? Is she a to? Who knows? She a to?

Exactly. And this is actually where I have to, yeah, you stop talking about it because now it's two person. One of my favorite songs on the album, by the way. It's also my favorite. It's a good, man, you have one of the most beautiful voices ever. So talented. I'm so glad to meet you. That actually might be the most honest song on the album to me.

Probably a waste of your time. Yeah, because I think that if all of us, I think that's the problem, right? Like all of us act like we know and none of us truly do. We just know what we believe in whatever moment in time that we're in. And if you're really doing this life thing, right, you remain open and you allow yourself to change and above. So you'll probably be saying, who knows for the rest of your life? Who knows is actually always the right answer? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That is, yeah, yeah. Very interesting. You know, just like, do. Yeah, do what that will. Like, yeah, who knows? So you just, whatever you think you're supposed to do

is really the only thing that you can afford to be doing. And think about all the stuff we stress about that we truly don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like all of these meanings of life and where we go after we die, who we pray to who all these different things who actually know nobody really knows and yeah but learning to to live with that is special it's kind of like i've been in this space lately where i'm like i used to think um me thinking so hard and so deeply on things was like would give me a a leg up or an advantage and moving to the

world. And I'm like, oh, I actually think that's, it's, yeah, thinking is. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because it's, you, you can't control. After a certain point, if you want to control outcomes, you have to be willing to enact violence on others or to lie or to cheat or to steal. So it's just kind of like, yeah.

He's got to move. Yes, sir. On the song moon, you ask who's going to be my Jesus? Yeah. How does your dad feel when he hears you say things like that? at this at this point he's like he just doesn't like cursing he's very he's very cribbing like that everything else he's like uh you know what he's gonna be okay he's not a dummy so he'll like he'll figure it out he doesn't agree though yeah this is my last question man if you could sit

with the version of yourself who first dropped uh frutian Freudian Freudian what warning would you give that young brother and what hope would you offer him. I would tell him there is nothing to fear and literally just that. And if you are afraid, you can just go and sit down somewhere until you're not afraid. You know, but making decisions and moving to the world afraid is the only way you'll have regrets. Making fight or flight decisions. I think

I'd have to think about that more but off the top of my head yeah being afraid it's like there's no need to be afraid you're good at your job just be good at your job and do it what do you want to hear off the album let's get something off the album on right now

what's your favorite record that you would love the masses to hear I feel like you should play a couple we're already going to play have a baby with me yeah that's the single right the next single so who knows definitely who knows

who knows who knows who knows and then You got to look up your album to see what's on? I do because this conversation was very exciting for me. I love that. Yeah. That's good. That's the win.

I would say, who knows? Rain down. Rain down. We appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely, dang. It was a great conversation for you. Feel free to come back, man. Absolutely.

Yeah. I pass the vibe check. Absolutely. You pass the vibe check. You are a vibe. So come back when I was. We might search you when you come back. but I'm going to be done.

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