The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: DMC On The REAL History Of Hip Hop, Rap GOATs, Jam Master Jay, Charlie Wilson + More

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

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It's DJ Envy, Charlemagne the guy. We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. We say special a lot, but this is one of those special, special, special guests. Icon, a legend. Absolutely. Means a lot to me. Ladies and gentlemen, DMC.

Yo, what's up, yo? It's good to be in a place to be. I'm doing good. Doing good. He came in here with a lot of product, too. He got children's books. He got children's books. Comic books.

And he got his memoir. And he got cookies. Cookies. DMC. Daryl makes cookies. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Was that inspired by Dame Dash when he was on Breakfast Club?

He said, my son makes cookies. No, no, no. I've always was thinking about doing cookies. Okay. And about five years ago, I was at at the event and this lady from Harlem had her cupcakes and cookies and stuff like that and they were really good and I was like I love cookies isn't it

and I've just blurted out loud you know what I'm going to start a cookie company I'm going to call it Daryl Makes Cookies and everybody in the room was like yeah we'll buy that because they thought it was so cool to play on the letters Daryl Make DMC, Daryl Makes Cookies and also I'm always doing stuff at schools. I'm always around families.

I'm always around foster kids. And I like to do stuff to make people smile. Absolutely. So for all of you out there, we will have the vegan. We will have the gluten-free. We will have a protein cookie for people in the gyms. We started with chocolate chip, but we're going to have chocolate chip, double chocolate,

sugar cookie, oatmeal, oatmeal, raisin, and whole nut. Do you remember your first cookie in life? My first cookie was a butter cookie that was this place in Queens in Long Island called Gals where everybody used to get their milk

from. Remember Gals? They used to have the cows there. They used to milk their milk from. Remember gals? And they used to have the cows there. They used to milk the cows. Real cows? Real cows. The cows was in there. They used to bring the milk bottles by and you would buy the milk. So it's this place called Gals

and they sold cookies and candies and stuff like that. But I've always loved cookies. I want to start from the beginning. Of course, I'm from Queens. And what Run DMC meant to me was everything right I went to school on Hollis St. Joachim and Anne right on Hollis

from PS 34 and to see brothers from my neighborhood make it out and become international stars was everything but not only that this was the day before social media so running into your favorite celebrity was everything right media so running into your favorite celebrity was everything right i remember running into to run and yourself at tss and oh tom square story that's right and

you giving me an autograph on the back of an envelope you know i mean because autographs meant the most i still have it now let's let's talk how you got into music and what made dmc start rapping and how did you hook up with Run? Right. Being from Hollis, Queens. So for me, I first started as a DJ because there was this thing going around called flash tapes. Did you hear the flash tapes with Flash doing a quick mix? So when I got to Queens, I heard a tape of Flash doing a good time.

He wasn't originally from Queens. He was originally from where? I was, well, I brooklyn for one year okay but i didn't find out i was from somewhere else until i was 35. that's a whole number i know dominica yeah all right right exactly right but um flash tapes came in the queens and it was the block parties and stuff like that so me and my brother we got dj equipment we wanted to be dj's right in my basement i was grandmaster get high because you have to be DJs. In my basement, I was Grandmaster Get High. Grandmaster Get High? Yeah, that was my name, Grandmaster Get High,

because you didn't need old English or weed, because my music would intoxicate you. That's what was in my brain. Prior to that, I was just a kid that read comic books. Now, like you, I went to Catholic school. But the first thing for hip-hop was the DJ thing. So I wanted to be like Grandmaster

Flash, and then all of a sudden, you started hearing the DJ thing. So I wanted to be like Grandmaster Flash. And then all of a sudden, you started hearing the tapes of Grandmaster Flash and the Furriest Five, Treacherous Three, Theodore tapes. You know, the whole thing just came in. So at first, it was a DJ. So my brother, he was the only one that was allowed to go to Jamaica Avenue to the record store. Right. Because I was still a young kid.

So he brought home Rappers of Light. You know, that was hip-hop first on the record. Everybody went crazy. Oh, wow. It wasn't even hip-hop. The MCs are now making records and whatever, whatever. But I didn't like Rappers Delight still. The only thing that I liked about Rappers Delight was the

Big Bang Hank rhyme because he talked about Superman. So, you know, I didn't know what the hell he was talking about. I know superheroes. But this is a game changer. A couple of weeks later, my brother comes home. Because if you remember, Rappers of Light was a very elaborate, very

attractive cover. It was light blue. Very colorful. Yeah, rainbow. Yep. Boom. It was very colorful. Next week, it was just a white plain cover, red label record. It said, enjoy records on it. And it said it was very cool. Next week, it was just a white plain cover, red label record. It said Enjoy Records on it. And it said Grandmaster Flash. And I'm like, oh, that's the DJ guy and the Furious Five.

Oh, yo, that's the MC thing. So I put the needle on this. Now, when you put the needle on Rapper's Delight, it comes up hip, hop, the hippie, the hippie, hippie, hippie. It was a little different from me because at that time there was two type and modi talks about it there was two type of mcs and rappers it was the disco dj rapping man i'm the man and put your hand up we're gonna party it was different and then you had to yes yes shawls but to the beat the street you know i'm saying mc thing

so rappers delight didn't attract me except for the big bank, Hank Rhyme, which I found out was dope because it was written by one of the dopest MCs from the street, Grandmaster Cass. But I didn't know that until Gold Crest Chains came out. But this is a life-changing thing that made me start writing. I'm Grandmaster Gah. I'm Grandmaster Gah. I'm a bassist.

I'm the DJ playing the music. Then I put two and two together. I'm a kid trying to piece all of this together. So Grandmaster Flash has five MCs that he plays the music for. So I put the needle on this record. It didn't open up hip hopping. There wasn't no R&B.

This thing said, it was a party night. Everybody was breaking. The highs were screaming and the bass was shaking and it won't be long till everybody's known that Flash is on the beatbox going. And I'm i'm going oh my god what the hell is this and then it goes italian caucasian japanese spanish indian negro vietnamese mc dish jockeys y'all fly kid i went running give me a pen al, give me a pen. So I just started writing rhymes

for myself. So I was Grandmaster Get High and I was MCEZD because my name starts with a D and it's easy for me to write my rhymes. So that's all I'm doing in my basement, writing rhymes. Joseph Simmons, we went to the same Catholic high school,

St. Pascal Baylon. He was always in the other class. We didn't know. We only knew each other. Hey, D same Catholic high school, St. Pascal Bailon. He was always in the other class. We didn't know. We only knew each other. Hey, Daryl. Hey, Joe. Because the only reason we knew each other, it was two classes each. It was kindergarten and you together.

But then when you go to first grade, it's one, one, and one, two. So I was always in the two classes. He was always in the one. So in eighth grade, what had happened, this is destiny. We went to Catholic school so you know this after school you had to go home and put on your play clothes that's right because your Catholic school pants on

first of all your mother didn't want you to mess up and you know you can't go to the park with your thing on because you're going to get your money taken you're going to get teased picked you're going to get bullied exactly so you would have to go home so St. Pascal Bayland had one basketball rim in the schoolyard in eighth grade. In eighth grade, a new student comes in.

And thank you, David McEachin, because you helped us change the world. David McEachin comes to the school. You know, it's a big thing when a new student comes to school out of nowhere. Everybody's talking about it. Class, we like to introduce the new student, that whole thing. David McEachin, I'm like 6'1 now. So in eighth grade, David McEachin was about 6'1. He comes into school.

He's tall like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He dunks on the one rim that the Catholic school kids have in the schoolyard, and he breaks it. Damn. So I'm like, ah! Because now we can't go, hold up, everybody. Stop. Wait a minute. Piper and Banner McDaniels, my parents are the best parents in the world.

My father put a rim in my backyard. Yes, Daryl saves the day. So, after school, I'm a five-minute walk from Pasco. So, all the kids would come to my backyard and play basketball after school to be safe and don't have to go to 192 or Jamaica Park to get their money and get bullying and teased on. So, one day, Joey shows up alone with his basketball. And I'm like, yo, where's Doug? Where's Craig? Oh, he had to go to the dinners.

What's his name's on punishment? So, it's just me and you. Let's play ball. So, we play ball. You know what I'm saying? Joe is good. Joe and Jay, I wasn't a baller. I just had to remember. So,'s play ball. So we play ball. You know what I'm saying? Joe is good. Joe and Jay, I wasn't a baller. I just had the rim and all that.

So we play ball. After we played ball. So Ron was good at ball? Very good. He was left-handed very good. His favorite, you could speak to him. He loved Dr. Jay. Ron was nice.

Jay was nice. I'm a comic book kid. I'm awkward, but I'm just trying to fit in and impress the guys. Come on, I need a friend. So dad put her in there. I'm that kid. You know what I'm just trying to fit in and impress the guys. Come on, I need a friend, so Dad, put her in there. I'm not kidding. You know what I'm saying? So after we play ball, I usually go, and you're going to love this too.

You go in the house, you get the jug of faucet water that you put in the refrigerator to get it cold, and you get Dixie cups. And I come in the back door, and I give all 12 kids a Dixie cup and water. This particular day is run. Now, what's the rule when no parents is home? Can't have company. Nobody allowed in the house. But since it's only run, you know what?

Come on in and get the water. He comes in, change purpose and destiny. He comes in. He sees me and my brother's turntables. And he goes, yo, you do that? And I go, no. Because that was my thing. I didn't want nobody.

And he goes, goes yo my brother's russell simmons you ever see the flyers that's up on the telephone poles and tree my brother's russell rust and he manages curtis blow and jimmy spice and he goes on and on so now i'm a little open i'm like what is that and he goes yeah i'm dj run and in the summertime when there's no school i go all around new york city in the tri-state area they call me the son of court is blowing out rapping i said and, whoa, something. I say, I can do it a little bit. And he goes, show me something.

So I go over to the turntables, and I do this super sperm quick mix. Soup, soup, soup. And he's like, oh, dude, you're just good in this. So now the plan was this. Now we got something else in common besides ball. After school, my parents would get home at 4 o'clock. We get out of school 2 to 10. So we go play ball for half an hour,

and then we'd go in the basement and DJ for 45 minutes. So that became the routine. One particular day, when he would come over, I would hide my rhyme book. So he couldn't see that. We could just DJ. And he'll tell you, he knew how to DJ, but he didn't know how to do Theodore and what Flash was doing, and I knew all that.

So I taught him all of that. So one particular day, I remember we had peanut butter and jelly and potato chips and it was my turn to dj and i look over at joe and he's sitting on the couch in the basement and he gots my rhyme book that was that was like having my diary right you know i'm saying i left it on the coffee table usually i would put it under the couch when i knew Joe was coming. Cause I, the rhyme book was my thing talking about me being MC EZD. So he finds it and I'm running over there trying to get it from him. And he's like, no,

no, hold on. Wait, wait, D. And he was like, yo, you wrote all of this.

And I was like, yeah, you know, it's like a hobby. And he just looks at me and I'll never forget the day. Slow motion. When my brother Russell lets me make a record, I'm putting you in my group. And I looked at him and went in one ear and out the other because I'm like, yo, am I after you?

I don't do this for real. You do that. Yo, the flashes. And I say, no, D, don't worry about it. So that was in eighth grade. We graduated. Runny and Jay went to Andrew Jackson High School. Andrew Jackson, the first school

i took three trains and two buses all the way to rice high school 124th street in lenox now later on i found out it wasn't just to go to school i thought it was a good it was an all boys catholic high school um but when i got there something great great happened. I got to Rice High School in ninth grade, right? The kids that were in Rice High School, and this was all my purpose and destiny. The kids in Rice High School, they live in the Bronx, Harlem, and Manhattan. So when I got to Rice High School, this blew my mind. All the kids there, they have the rap DJ MC thingc thing before 79 rappers delight they got the t connection they got the autobahn ballroom they got the black they got hard and i'm like the autobahn that's

when malcolm x got killed what do you mean you're doing hip-hop but the beautiful thing was it wasn't the rappers delight records and the um the heartbeat record it wasn't the records it was a treacherous dream over beach rhyming not about disco stuff yes yeah can you find an emcee better than me modi can you find an emcee better than me no can you find an emcee who can say he's better than special k no can you find an emcee who can rhyme up against la sunshine no you can't you can't you should sort them like what the hell so i'm changing my pen game so ninth grade 10th grade 11th grade 12th grade i'm getting a crash course in beach rhymes echo chain i heard this girl going to all of you my name is sha sha i'm not i'm what the hell? This is nothing like them super rapping.

You know what I'm saying? So my opinion changed. Here's the beautiful thing. Remember eighth grade run says when Russell lets me make a record, we went to different school, ninth grade, 10th grade, 11th grade,

12th grade. I graduate from, um, Rice high school, send my resume out to St. John's university and a couple of other college come home in the mail. There's a letter to me, Mr. Darrell McDaniels. I open it up before my mother.

Mr. Darrell McDaniels, we are proud to inform you you're going to St. John's University. What? Oh, this is crazy. It's funny. My mother and father come home. I run past them down to the basement to write a rhyme. I didn't say, my God. I ran to the basement to check this out.

I'll write this rhyme. I'm DMC. And the place to be, I went to St. John's University I'll write your wrong right that was I was a class of 82 in um June of 82 the phone rings it's Joe yo D what's up man no you know we've seen each other but he calls this particular remember four years ago yeah when i said if i make a uh-huh grab your rhyme book we're going to the studio to make a record we go to green street recorder studio right here we go down there we make it like that and that's the way it is and then the b-side sucker mcs wow here i am today wow that's how I got here. That is exactly. I love superhero origin stories. You know what I mean?

That is crazy. And I'm thinking about when you first heard the rap and you decided that you wanted to pick up your pen. Did you already experiment with rapping before that? None. Wow. But see, I was a good student. It was like, I listened to it.

Okay. I listened to it. It was bugging me out because, and the switch off thing that run DMC is famous for, you know what I'm saying? People think we invented it. No flashing them. Cause after he said Italian, Caucasian,

Japanese, Spanish, Indian, Negro MC, dish, y'all fly kids for the young ladies. Now, if you remember rap is a light,

rap is a light was a long ass record. Yes. The MC three MCs with long ass rhymes. Stop long ass. Right. These dudes said introducing the crew you gotta see to believe five different boys imagine me as a kid 15 years old well one two three four five mcs one dude says i'm melly mel and i rock it so well and then the other dude said and i'm missing this because i rock the best this dude said raheem and all the ladies dreaming and the

other dudes with the crazy for the cowboy and i make it jump for joy this blew my mind the fifth who goes creole the other food of the four goes solid go kid creole um with a furious five plus grandmaster flash giving you a blast to show enough class so to prove to you all that was second to none we're gonna make five mc that was it that was oh you can do that like because i was in the beginning most of us thought you had to go hip hop to inhibit to inhibit i'm the disco man and i play my rap these dudes was talking about how incredible they were so my pin game was like this and when joe took me in the studio when we went to write us like that you've got to remember people don't understand hip-hop does the same thing over and

over um some kid asked me um i'm speaking at a high school in the bronx mr dmc because i'm 59 years old now now if i was 20 then your dmc he asked me what do you think about mumble rap so i'm old i'm a man now he they want they want to see you young whippersnappers this snap boom they wanted to see me hey and i go inappers, this and that. They wanted to see me. Hey. And I go, I can relate to that. You should have seen the clip. Huh?

The old man, my parent did. I said, you know why I can relate to it? Because they said the same thing about me. Hip hop, the hibbit, the hibbit. The difference between my generation and your generation is when we got criticized about something, we stopped the music, said, oh, you don't think we can deliver content? We wrote It's Like That. We wrote The Message. We wrote Planet Rock, and the list goes on and on.

So when we went in to do the studio to do It's Like That, originally It's Like That was kind of like a Curtis Blow record because Rem was the son of Curtis Blow and Russell and Jimmy Spicer. When you listen to the early hip-hop that Russell and them was doing, they was doing they was doing let's do this style use r&b to get accepted right i'm sitting in rice i'm like there's no acceptance to this i can talk about going to mcdonald's like busy b you all be rap i'm the disco man i'm gonna talk about c to the apple apple to the call i am the man with the

rhymes galore rock around for me and then around for you i wanted to do that so originally it's like that was um unemployment at a record high people coming people going people born to die don't ask me because i don't know why it's like that if we would have made that i would be sitting here like the message a little bit yeah it was you know the rappy rap you know soup boat that thing. I said, no! Do you know what they was doing before Rap is the Light and Larry Smith? Let me just say, the greatest hip-hop producer ever that nobody

knows about. He produced all around the MC's first album, all around the MC's second album, before Rick Rubin came in. He's the guy that started Rockbox. No Walk This Way, no Rock. But long story short, so, the message came out if you remember in the beginning hip-hop was all message records so yesterday i was doing an interview and i was doing an interview and i brought up that hip-hop always does it the one hit record that

is the top it's crazy in this era the hit person at the top everybody under them sounds alike and that's just a normal thing right and this did when i'm hearing the cold crush they all rapping but they got different rhyme routines they're talking about different things so a message came out planet rock came out so we're going in and making this like that record about the world i'm studying this like tony starks i'm saying joe you know what we got to do with this it's like that. We got to put the negative and the positive together. It's like that, and that's the way. That's why if you listen, it's like that.

It's a message record. We talk about unemployment. What else do we talk about? Go to school, this and that. Right. So we combine that. So since I was a very smart kid to Joe, D, just go home and write a bunch of rhymes how the world is.

So when you listen, it's like that. It's me and Joe together. So Russell's plan, and see, the world is crazy. Russell's plan for Run was to be Run the MC. So me coming in with the DMC worked for Russell because if I sucked, he was going to kick me out the group. Run was going to chore and do it like that by himself. Remember Marfa Walstha wash the fat lady

that sung all the club records in the 80s and 90s but they put the pretty girl in the front yes yeah exactly hugged the russell wanted to do that to me right yeah who was the person that he was going to use for you oh do you want to know so? So over in London at this time, hip-hop was big. They knew about Curtis Blow. They knew about band. They knew about Flash. And you can look this up. There was a pioneering DJ over in England called Lady Blue

who was doing hip-hop, everything band was doing. And she would come over and learn. She was taking them back then. This was like 81, 80, early 80. So Lady Blue, this is funny for Joe, Lady Blue was going to be Run's DJ. Run the MC with DJ Lady Blue. She had a pantomime

pop locker. Crazy shit. What? It's entertainment. I mean, is it progressive thinking? Yes, it's that. So Run is coming to me. We do it like that. And Russell's like, D, get out the way. Go sit down. Damn. Now, we gotta do the beat. We do it like that. And Russell's like, D, get out the way. Go sit down. Damn.

Now we got to do the beat. We got to do the beat jam, which was Suck Em Seize. Just put a beat on a rhyme. If you listen to Suck Em Seize, it's three rhymes from Run because that was his solo record. So he goes in and he lays the record. Run comes to me, D, you got to go in there and show Russell that you can rap and that you're incredible,

that you're the best. And there's just Run telling me that you're the best out there and he's telling me because I don't want to be with lady blue and I'm telling right now man I'm good I'm gonna I'm gonna like that this and that was he said and you know run is it the crush groove run in the movie that's what run would do to Russell he's a f-russell disney just going in so i go in the booth and run says d say a rhyme and i'm like yo run you're trying to give me whatever and he just says motherfucker just say your newest rhyme what was my newest rhyme i'm dmc i'm the place to be so i'm a passion of mine just saying your newest rhyme i hit that verse

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Listen to Civic Cipher every Saturday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So when we went into the studio, my thing was this. Let's do what was being done in the parks and the bar parties and the dark basements in New York City and not change our presentation of who we are just to get radio player, just to get accepted. So we did a slight dead message record with some positivity in it. And then we did suck em sees if you understand everybody was musical at the time good to everybody's sampling r&b and oh who's

the hot jam um um my love oh love at the encore well let's make a beat about that by me going and rice to say these motherfuckers it's using james brown and jazz and this and that so suck em sees boom tet tet just a beat people People don't realize Suck Em Seas was the first game changing element. Not Walk This Way and all of that. Not Rock Him. That came later. The first thing that happened to put hip hop on that

yo was Suck Em Seas. I'm light skinned. I live in Queens. And I love eating chicken and collard greens. You know I wanted to ask you when it comes to emceeing how do you properly rank hip-hop mcs because just like in basketball skills have changed throughout the years right you know so how do you rank a a rapper from the 80s with somebody from the 90s or the 2000s like how do you how do you do that because i could yeah how do you do that there's no goat there's you can't say that there's a goat because everybody's so good

you know people always say it's funny throughout the years people would ask me um who's better eminem or jay-z chuck d okay that ends that so you know if you thought you know i'm saying this dude chuck said i so versatile, say it without rhyme, which is without rhyme. This me and Rick Rubin, shout out to Rick Rubin. We tried to do this. Nobody ever did this. And now let's talk about skills. I'm so versatile, say it over a beat.

I'm so versatile, say it without rhyme, which is why they're after me and they're on my back looking over my shoulder to see what i write they hear what i say and they want to know why why they could never compete on this level superstar status is my domain understand my rhythm my patterns of lectures and then you'll know why i'm on the run that one verse trumps every generation so how do you rate emcees and rhyme for the effect that they have when they're on the stage and when they're in that crowd that's how you do it that's see when melly mel battled eminem you know i'm saying and mel came out with that thing somebody said it sounds like somebody ai mel's response to that all mel had to do was do you when i wanted when when pete rock produced us pete rock produced down with the king down with

the kings the 80s change we the 80s 90s changed hip-hop we was loved and pioneers, but we wasn't... I thought I was going to slide next time. I thought I was going to slide. I wouldn't be jumping the camera while you're talking. What I'm trying to say is, when Pete Rock... What Run DMC did for Aerosmith, y'all brought Aerosmith back,

Stephen Tyler and Joe Pace, the same thing that we did for Aerosmith, Pete Rock did for us with Now and the King. We wasn't participating. we wasn't on the chart we wasn't on MTV no more so Pete Rock brings this back I remember going in that session with Pete Rock and he said D, you ain't gotta be Eminem

you ain't gotta be Jay Z you ain't gotta be Kool Rock, give me that DMC shit so I was like okay, he asked me what are you doing right now, I'm taking the tours I'm raking the land, I keep it hardcore cause it's dope man, these are the roughest toughest? I'm taking the tours. I'm raking the land. I keep it hardcore because it's dope, man. These are the roughest, toughest words. And I wrote, damn, not meant for a hole like a slow damn ticket.

Suck him, Cesar. So all Mel had to do, when you talk about rating, all Mel had to do is what he did on Pump Me Up to battle. Don't try to flip it up. I can't even move that. Like, don't try to be that big. See, when I went to Rice I realized what these kids

the celebration of hip hop wasn't a 50 year celebration it was a god damn lie the celebration that we just had was the 44 year celebration of recorded rap because they said here's Kool Herc 73 and they jumped to 79 all the record-making

motherfuckers they didn't talk about what i came in the autobahn this and that and this you didn't hear you only know mo d from battling ll you didn't hear mo with the treacherous three who was just as dope as scarface and just as dope as a drake so how do you rate them you can't rate them you got to go and see what they do and put these motherfuckers in a class by themselves. Mel had to do them Eminem. Rappers might be willing, but they ain't able cause I was their king straight from my cradle. Screamed

and hollered. Shook my rattle. Dreamt I defeated them all in battle. There was no food in my silver spoon, but I grew up hard and I grew up soon. I'm a righteous king and I'm hungry too and I eat a punkster rap like you i met you that's all you tried to play you tried to play em's game yeah he's playing his own game the 50 john roll that is yeah now go in there and do what you i was sitting on a corner

just to waste my time when i realized it was the king of the rhyme i got on the microphone and what do you see the rest was my legacy i was born to be the king of this hip-hop thing with stallions and medallions and diamond rings on a mansion and a yacht cool million in gold because rap is the game that i control i'm like shakespeare i'm a pioneer and i made rap something people wanted to hear see before i came it was the same old thing with the baldy to do all that street call game so if you, let me make this clear. If you ever think that I'm going out of here. If you.

So people ain't no male from the record. Go to her. See, I'm such a fan. I don't care. I don't care about you and your record. I'm not in hip hop. As, as look, I'm not Scarface. I'm not Nas.

But for Scarface, Bumpy Knuckleuckle and coogee rap to tell me you're the best you're right you cut the head off the devil and you can't rate it you know i'm saying for them to tell me that so you can't you can't rate it so what run dmc did is this let me calm down when you see this dog gotta I hope I don't turn back to Bruce Bannon. Yes, I get excited about this. I love it. I gave you what Run DMC... We didn't create it. People go, we know hip-hop was before you,

but you all created it. No. Run DMC is the pioneers of recorded rap. If you listen to Adidas, we took the beat from the street as it was. Everybody else was wearing tracksuits. Everybody else was to Adidas, we took the beat from the street as it was. Everybody else was wearing tracksuits. Everybody else was wearing Adidas. Everybody else was wearing gazelles.

Everybody else was kangaroos, sheepskins, and all. We took the beat from the street. We took the culture from the street. Because MTV, we put it on TV for all to see. That was our pioneering role. That's what we did. But Mel is just as dope as pun now everybody would say m and m andre 3000 what about pun yeah absolutely what about nobody never puts him in the top five

hold it this is going to blow your mind in the top five from just from andre 3000 and Lauryn Hill never had a rap verse. And what I mean by that is Eminem fans, Jay-Z fans, Run fans, everybody else can know it's all right. Lauryn Hill and Andre 3000 never got it all right. Lauryn Hill is in the top five of MCs. And if you don't believe me, just go listen to what's out there available and tell me what dude is better than her now. No, I can't.

She's though. I think the only thing they'll say about Andre and Lauren is they didn't. I don't agree with that with Andre because he had the whole outcast catalog. But with Lauren, they'll say she didn't give us enough. Right, right, right. But no, all I'm saying is just listen to what she did. I'm just saying that you got tapes from Harlem. I agree. saying that you got tapes from harlem i agree you got tapes from harlem world with spoony g

coming into the christmas rap convention with every mc in new york and he didn't come spit no love rap stuff he said tis tis i appreciate this but some of you mcs are taking a risk trying to take him a chair but these guys had that thing so for me when i came in i knew i wasn't the best i know i wasn't mel i knew i wasn't even run but my thing was what would spider-man do what would the hope do what would the thor so my hope my whole presence in hip-hop was now that i'm doing comic books people said i know why i like you now thor is the son of odin from Asgard, has a brother named Loki, and he has a hammer. I saw that, and I saw what hip-hop do. My old man at DMC can transform into the devastating mic controller.

My name is Daryl. I'm from Hollis. My father's name is, excuse me, Byford. And I got a brother named Alfred. So I became son of Byford, brother of Al. Banner's my mother and Run's my pal. It's McDaniels, not McDonald's. These rhymes are Daryl's. Those burgers are Ronald's. I ran down my family tree.

So hip hop gave me a way to be enthusiastic about who I am at whatever points in my life i gotta ask so when run dmc takes off right and the world is looking at run dmc they're looking at these two black brothers on every tv screen three black brothers three black brothers did y'all understand the impact and and how was your mental during that time because y'all were kids from queens from hollis and now all of a sudden y'all were in every household selling out shows and concerts and it was the scariest thing ever

it was the scariest thing ever but we knew Jay was funny Jay's thing was we gotta watch our day we gotta watch what we say we gotta watch what we do listen I sniffed more coke than the earth could put on the earth running Jason smoked more weed. I drunk a case of old English a day.

Jesus. But we know, yo, if they're wearing glasses like D and wearing hats and tracksuits like us and Adidas like us, we can't be talking about, you know what I'm saying? We knew we had a big influence. So that's why we was careful. So we had to figure out how could we be the hardest thing ever without being disrespectful, profane, and still relate to these brothers and sisters in the streets. That's why I came up. Most of our records were rhyme routines. You know, Cold Crush had It's Us. You know, It's Us, the Cold Crush.

You know, the 4MCs before they were the 4MDs. We are called tough. We put to put to be still a melody. Let's still, let's still, um, all anxiety from, um, um,

from the new year's thing. Oh, let's still, let's still Bob Dylan melody. We would still melodies and you would make it over to hip hop beats. So when we got to that point and everybody was saying, raps are fat, it's going to be a

commercial and you know all the singers that hated us not like the ramones not like lou reed not like share they love this i mean when we met bon jovi you guys are incredible but the critics and the journalists and a lot of so-called real magicians haters so when i wrote it's tricky to rock a rhyme i'm trying to tell you it's tricky to do you this ain't easy but to do that and maintain that level in this business that you're not accepting it so for us it was always a thing where okay let's sit down the first thing we have to do is what everybody's doing we're going to do something different so when everybody was doing music we broke it down to circumcise just beat everybody jumped to the beats when everybody jumped to the beats this is 84 when we put out the run deep seattle let's put our rock box

let's put some guitars on it it wasn't nothing new why we didn't create rock rap you know create a rap rock rap cool hurt grandmaster flash africa band bother grand wizard theodore and charlie chase because in the crates of every dj from 73 to 79 was jazz, R&B funk disco, when disco got thrown away I remember when I was a kid, I woke up one day and the whole world was going disco sucks, and it was an overnight

thing, but hip hop said that shit ain't God, give it to us, but I realized in the crates, Rush Tom Sawyer was always in there Walk This Way was in there. Me and Run just didn't know it was called Walk This Way Aerosmith. We just knew get the album out with the toys and play number four. So we knew that this is what made Run DMC so unique.

We did what we was doing at 12, 13, 14, and 15 on record. Now, let me say this. That's because that's what Mel and everybody else was doing before us. When they got into showbiz, the greatest hip-hoppers or so-called rappers in the history of rapping is everybody before recorded rap.

But for them, when they started making their records, the first rappers didn't have rappers to look up to. Now, there's flyers with Mel in them with with sheepskins and mock necks and godfather hats and madame you know i'm saying the only one out of meli mel that stayed that met on the only one out of the fur is five that was like me running jay was cowboy there's a couple of times cowboy put on some little tassels but he didn't put on that other stuff when they got intobiz, when this hip-hop thing that nobody believed in gets to showbiz now,

number one, they're changing their delivery. They're changing their presentation. They changed who they really are to fit in. So when they get into showbiz, they don't have no rappers to look up to because they're the first ones. So if you look at Mel, Afrika Bambaataa, if you look at Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation, Soul Sonic Force, they look like

Parliament Funkadelic. If you look at Grandmaster of Fashion, the first five nation so sonic force they look like parliament funkadelic if you look at grandmaster fashion the first five modena alone they look like the sex pistols they look like the rolling stones and they look like rick james because they in show i'm talking about in the showbiz arena when me and ron was coming in we was like we didn't hip-hop didn't let we hip the music business didn't let hip-hop come in, from me and Run and Jay's perspective. We bringing this hip-hop shit to the music business because nobody does it. So when Russell let me, oh, circumcise the good, it's like. Russell's whole thing was, you'll need wardrobe. You'll need wardrobe.

You'll do your. So me and Run would say, yeah, cool, but we ain't wearing that shit. Who do y'all want to dress like? Drug dealers? No, we want to dress like Jam Master Jay and DJ Hurricane. OK. Let's talk about Andrew Jackson High School. 9th grade, 10th grade, and 11th grade. The way Run DMC looked, that's how Jam Master Jay

and Hurricane was going to school. The black guy? Godfather. What happened was, there's a couple of, there's a picture of me and Run After Fever. We all over the place. No coordination. Matter of fact, in my early first shows, I'm wearing Pullmans. You just didn't see my feet. Run out on Adidas. I got my hat on on black, blue Pullmans you just didn't see my feet run out on the D-Disc

I had on black, blue Pullmans with the white stripe but this is what happened we get a gig at the Disco Fever the first time that we were supposed to play the Fever we pull up to J House, we didn't know about this thing called Soundcheck so we had to be at the Fever 630 for Soundcheck Jay went to Jamaica Avenue to get fly

so he missed the first show that Run DMC had at the Fever. DJ Starchild, legendary DJ Starchild. He DJ'd for us. He DJ'd it's like that Suck Em Seas. But the next time that we played the Fever, because after the Fever saw us, they knew who Run

DMC was, but they didn't know, you know, I'm familiar with this DJ Run guy. So when we took the stage, the Fever did this. Imagine the fever. Sal, Albert Teller, ladies and gentlemen, straight out of Queens, running DMC. That's the fever. Music is playing and stuff. DJ Junebug had the beat on.

When we took the stage, you could hear the turntable. And then you heard this. But then when that shit said boom, tat, tat, tat, tat, tat. Oh, that's who they are. the fevers brought us back this is how we found our look our style and our sound because if you listen to Suck M.C.'s Run doesn't say Jay cut the record

down to the bone he says Dave cut legendary DJ Davey D Curtis Blows DJ who had more records than Afrika Bambaataa it's debatable so we pull up to Jay's house for soundcheck of the fever. Jay said, I am missing this one. We beep the horn.

Jay comes out on his steps. He steps out the door. He got the black Adidas jacket with the white stripes on. He got them black Lees. Remember the flavor? He got them black Lees. He had them brand new white Adidas with the blue stripe. No laces. The l flavor? Black lees. He had on brand new white Adidas with the blue stripe.

No laces and laces was around his neck. So his tongues were sticking up like tombstones. And he got the JVC four speaker box on. He got a little gold chain on and he got the Godfather hat. He steps out onto his step. Larry

Smith, our producer, goes to Otter. Yo, that's your step. Larry Smith, our producer, goes, he goes to utter, yo, that's your, we finished it, finished it for him. That's our outfit. So when we put Jay in the group, it's me and Rum made the record first, and when the record started getting hot, Russell goes, you got a DJ? And Rum was like,

oh, I didn't think about that part. Jay was the best DJ in Hollis. So Jay gave us our look, and what was good about putting Jay down, he's a member of the Hollisis. So Jay gave us our look and what was good about putting Jay down. He's a member of the Hollis crew. So now we can go into all other boroughs. We can go into Connecticut and we could go into Jersey and the stick up kids can't mess with us because this college crew is our own backing.

Now, listen, DMC is here because there's a new three part docuseries on Peacock Kings from Queens to run DMC store. So even though we getting all of this now, I still want y'all to go watch it on Peacock, Kings from Queens, the Run DMC story. So even though we're getting all of this now, I still want y'all to go watch it on Peacock. Absolutely. But while we're here, just for It's in-depth on Peacock. Very in-depth.

Just for radio purposes, I want to ask you, has Run DMC felt like Run DMC since the passing of Jam Master J? No, not at all. 100%. Not at all. People always say, oh, could it be an album and a tour? My joke, but they get it. This is the only way you can shut people up.

Run DMC will tour when the Beatles get back together. Everybody knows that. They do. It's Paul and Rangel. It can't happen now. When we do show up, it's not Run DMC. It's Reverend Run and King DMC, the two members who used to be in that band.

Jay, it can't, Run DMC don't exist without Jay. You know what I'm saying? If you want to know who Run DMC is, go back and look at all the videos, listen to the rest. That's Run DMC. Me and Run are the two surviving members of that band. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired, depressed, a little bit revolutionary? Consider this. Is your country falling apart? Feeling tired? Depressed? A little bit revolutionary?

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You know, and it's the same in this generation with the Migos. God bless Takeoff. Like, there'll never be the Migos. Even if you make the record, it's something weird. The only way that Run MC could coexist as a group is a brilliant thing. And, you know, it's 50 years of hip-hop. Where can we go now? So for Run-D.M.C. to exist, for me and Run to exist artistically and creatively,

we would have to reform a new band. If you look at David Grohl, look what the rock dudes do. Paul McCartney left the Beatles. He didn't try to keep the Beatles. The Beatles' legacy is untouchable, like Run-D.M.C. But when Paul went solo, he stopped Paul McCartney and Ring. Like, I got a band now. I do all my catalog live, live drum and guitars.

It's called DMC and the Hellraisers to give homage to Raising Hell. So if you look at Soundgarden, Audioslay, they all morph. You know what I'm saying? So hopefully hip-hop will get to that. Where can we go now? Now we have to figure out how, once you get into the stadiums, you've got to figure out how do you keep the legacy going if you're still a cohesive band, or how do you continue to own?

When you look at people I used to play for, Crosby, Stills, Young, and Nash. When you look at Pink Floyd, the two dudes from the band, they do their own things. Maybe once in a while they'll show up. So if you see me in Run, you're seeing, oh, shoot, Paul McCartney played with Ringo last night. So to answer your question, Charlamagne,

no, it's no Run DMC without Jam Master J. Because every record was Run DMC and Jam Master J. Jam Master J and and the funny joke is when we first started out, people thought we was an R&B group. Now check this out. When we first started out, people thought we was an R&B group. Now, check this out.

When we first came out, we was playing the Fever. We was playing all the roller skating rinks, and we was playing all the clubs. But on the national scene, we was opening up for Lou Reed. We was opening up for ZD Top. We was opening up for Marvin Gaye. We was opening up for Parliament Funkadelic. And y'all remember this era. We was opening up for the Gap Band,

Function, and the Bar K's. Here's a funny story. I don't know if I told this in the doc, but the funny story was we was opening up for the Gap Band. You know, Charlie and all of them, right? So we was opening up, we had 20 minutes. So we would go out there for 20 minutes and bust ass. Like, crazy.

And we would leave. They would be like don't leave come back for it and the Gap Band would go out to play so we on a tour and the beginning of the tour the whole Gap Band the whole staff, the whole management everybody that was part of the whole tour, hey we love you rap guys and it was

kind of like this, oh we love you Run D&J cause you're not gonna be here in two years, this rap shit is going to die, whatever. So you have open access. Here's the hot food. You don't have to just eat the craft table. You can come in the green room, this and that. The bus is over here.

Here's the real good showers and stuff like that. All of a sudden, halfway through the tour, we start, no, y'all can't go over there no more. This is true. No, y'all can't go over there. No, no, no. Y'all over here, they put us in the broom closet. So one day we're in the broom closet sitting there. Me running J. Say this is me running J.

The promoter and Charlie Wilson's manager, Charlie Wilson and the other guy from the Gap Band, they come in our dressing room. So your run, that's the MC. This is J. So it's the promoter knock on the broom closet door. Boom, boom. Can we speak to y'all guys?

Okay, cool. Promoter, manager, Charlie Wilson, another guy from the Gabby. We'd like to talk to you about something. Charlie Wilson, run DMCJ, is standing like this to us. Wow. Charlie? It's a fly, though. We loving every minute of it.

Mad as a fuck. Excuse me, guys. For the rest of the tour, we would like y'all to close the show. Wow. We're not paying you no headline money, but we would like y'all to close the show. Ain't that right, Charlie?

It's the funniest shit ever. He's like, yeah, yeah, that's right. We was, because we ain't had no instruments. We ain't had a, but nobody could fuck with, Jay come out by himself with some turntable. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jay Master, Jay right about now, boom, dad, dad, throw your head, call me, I'll come out by himself with some turntable ladies and gentlemen I'm Jay Master Jay right about now

call me I'll come out check the mics they couldn't mess with us so to ask me did I see hip hop doing this no why because I was doing it there and now you got the rest the capitalism heard of health hip hop it helped it it's people's The capitalism heard of health hip-hop.

It helped it. It's people's attitudes because what has happened with our hip-hop, Sean LeMang, we have forsaken our responsibility. When you walk to that microphone, I was doing this all day yesterday. This documentary is going to let you know 99.9% of the people who

say they hip-hop ain't hip-hop now don't get me wrong capitalism did this i never thought that my culture that we brought to the entertainment industry could get diluted polluted and destroyed but now i realize from reading and studying how things go over the generations, and even from my own situation, anything that's sacred and holy to a culture or a group of people will get diluted, polluted, and destroyed once it's commercialized. Now, that's a good thing. But what has happened now is I never thought, now, don't get me wrong.

You got to understand what I'm saying here when you look at music let's say Sheryl Crow for instance who's huge, sells at stadiums, sells records and that all she, she don't even need electronics all she need is an acoustic guitar and she can perform in front of 10 people

or 10,000 people Britney Spears on the other hand, love her love great artists, but she needs a writer. She needs a choreographer, this and that. I never thought hip hop would have that. So what capitalism has done is the money has come in. And you can tell me, this is what's going on. There are artists who are in the recording business that hip hop is now in,

recording raps over music for the purpose of success in the music industry. That's not hip hop is now in recording raps over music for the purpose of success in the music industry. That's not hip hop. Ask Tretch and KG. Hip hop is you gotta have a DJ, turntables, mixer. The DJ's

part of the whole creation. MC's you making that on records. So now you got people rapping over music, selling records. That's not hip hop. For whatever your opinion about it, I relate to mumble rap because they said I was mumble,

but I just showed them I don't mumble only. Nobody's doing that right now. But whatever your opinion of this is, people are doing what they're going to do to survive in the music business that's cool but Eric Sermon has been saying this for the last 20 years

no disrespect to all of these great artists but don't call that shit hip hop what the music business has done to sell ignorance disrespect degrading low grading asinine

concepts images and content is they'll take a piece of shit label it hip hop just to sell it that's what's happening Eric Sherman he said this they should have called it something else it should have been a different name because these artists ain't doing what

Mel or Rakim's doing I'm taking me out the picture I'm talking about people that I look that came after me that I look up to up melts it should have been a different name because these artists ain't doing what mel or rock him's doing i'm taking me out the picture i'm talking about people that i looked at came after me that i look up to so the capitalism didn't hurt anything it's the attitude of the people because of the success now don't get me wrong the proof is in the pudding you got artists that are in your faces i don't do this for the culture i do it for the money that's cool it's no different i'm not a rapper i'm a hustler yeah yeah and that's cool that's cool so my thing is this 50 years of hip-hop what we have to do as a community of people globally is put shit in perspective and take back our hip-hop and place it where it's supposed to go represented as the way it's supposed there go. There's nothing wrong with you talking about

your gun. This has nothing to do with censorship and freedom of speech. You can talk about whatever you want. But for me, coming to see what was going on before me, seeing what Run DMC did, and seeing what we inspired after that, here's the mind-blowing thing. When you look

at this documentary, everybody from Ice Cube to Chuck the this documentary you and everybody from ice cube to chuck the republic enemy and everybody in between was interviewed talking about jermaine dupree eminem very diverse and stuff like that everybody who is interviewed for this documentary about run dmc who's talking about run dmc everybody sounds and looks different. And all of them are top tier artists, but not one

artist sounds the same, raps the same, or even uses the same music. So when I look at that, I'm like, wow. So people are saying, look at what your girl gave birth to. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm over here with them So people are saying, look at what your girl gave birth to. No, no, no, no, no. I'm over here with them.

We're looking at what everybody before 1979, when rap started selling records, gave birth to. So when I'm looking at this documentary, I'm not looking at my accomplishments. I heard my accomplishments from day one. Yo, that's Suck MC shit. Nobody talk to Nas about Suck MCs. As in what's the greatest thing that happened in the period oh that thing but when i'm looking at this run would

always say this to me and jay before jay passed away yo you know what's crazy man everybody got the experience to run dmc phenomenon except us because we the more than ones doing it now i can look and know that i'm not better than ice Cube I'm not better than Chuck and this and that I am them and what I mean by that I was telling people that saw the doc already yesterday I said take Run DMC out the crazing of this documentary Ice Cube Eminem and all of them

take our names and words out our recognition out their mouths every artist sitting there was actually sitting there talking about themselves everything run dmc did was never for run dmc was for our culture inspiring other people they got exactly they gotta go they got another interview but i you know you gotta come back because we gotta have a long conversation i know you have to go i'll come back with more cookies with more cookies i just gotta ask you one more question i know you said

it on drink on Drink Champs was Run DMC supposed to be in the call with Tupac the 90 so many people so many people was like yo dude here's what happened we get a call from Suge Knight they wanted us Run DMC

to perform at the what was the name of the club in Vegas the 666 the club in Vegas? The 666. The club that they own. The Sugar. Yes, in Vegas. We get a call.

This is when the Lexa first opened. When it was fly. So we come into Vegas and Sugar. So the day goes on. Sugar comes in with 100 people into the lobby of the Lexa to make sure that we are. So we get in our rooms there. That evening, Shug calls.

Damn, Eric. He's been with me for the third year. Shug says, yo, me and Pac are coming to get the guys. Pac wants y'all to ride with him to the show and to the after party. Now, cool. Now, I've seen a lot of comics on it. That's what somebody else said. Now, maybe we would have got to the thing and we would have said no we'll meet you or whatever but that

was the order because they were treating us like so much when we got to la park suge and all of the deaf bro they were looking at us like we were fucking gods and they wanted to impress us. Because you're a lot. Right. Absolutely. So what happened was Eric calls, no, Shug calls to come pick us up. This is a true story and it's a beautiful Jam Master Jay story. Shug goes, Eric, I'm coming to get the guys now. He called early and said, Pop, want you to call? So he calls and says, Eric, I'm coming to get the guys, right?

Eric goes, nah, Sh Suge you'll go by yourselves we'll meet y'all there later we'll meet y'all at the after party later and sure goes why in the true story this you're gonna laugh Eric goes because Jam Master Jay is getting dressed now people want to hear this and everybody that was close to Jay's probably saying yo because Jay would do this all of the flies fly spools in the world. This was your job for the next three hours. What about you? That's what

was going on. So that's why we didn't ride. At least we might have been in the car with the gunshots because there was no way Jay and Pop ain't riding to the after. But Jay was that dude. So maybe not me and Run. We something else. But Jay might have been in the car.

Let me rephrase that, what I said on Jay. Jay would have been there. But the reason why, and you can talk to Kane. Ask him. He told me the stories. Kane would say, Jay will keep you there. He will try on Gucci leather, this and that, sneakers. That's why we didn't get a car

Wow So love I love you Jay I know you gotta go But do you feel like I feel like there's a whole era of hip hop In particular the 80s era That isn't getting this just due

But it's actually earlier than that Yes So it feels like The origin story of hip hop Isn't being told It's never heard Don't sat with me I said this is our problem right now

50 years of hip-hop we just getting started yes we proved we could sell records there are so many stories that we need to be telling now that can change our communities our representation in all of these places of business check it out in four years there are so many stories what if y'all want to know something forget run dmc's documentary i don't care about that go get la sunshine's book go get la sunshine's book from the treasure charlemagne you hit it right on the head now we need to have more stories in hollywood to tell and here's the fun thing that Run DMC documentary is going to show we still ain't touched the pinnacle musically

we still ain't touched the pinnacle music all of these artists now excuse me all of these artists now young and old now is the time to start having the wall and Sergeant Pepper and Dark Side of the Moon I'm talking about that's where we're at right now right now I am the

four tops of my generation like the four tops and the temptations was to my mother and father generation and another thing just to let your young people out there know do not get it twisted do as well about me chuck d big daddy cane and a couple of others i had i speak at high schools and elementary schools all the day and i tell kids this don't you get it twisted the more you do something the better you get the more you i tell kids when you get that video game that first day you hate it my son threw his controller and broke the hundred thousand dollar tv set and i walked in the room what's your problem give it some time i tell the kids by the end of the week you're getting high scores.

You might not hear me on the radio no more. You might not see me on MTV no more. You might not see me in social media too much. But I toured 365 days all over the world. I was at high school. Let me close. I was at high school. This young dude tried to diss.

Yo, run DMC. Yo, Mr. DMC. That old school stuff is over. You guys are over. And I said, thank you. Huh? The whole auditorium was like, what do you mean? I said, thank you. You're just speaking some more truth into me.

I'm going to be so great. And he was like, he's trying to diss. I said, yes, I just came over from England last week and I'm getting ready to go over to Singapore. You should have seen the high school thing. So what I'm trying to say is, I'm going to end with this. Old school is not a time period. You just said it.

It's not a time period. It's a consciousness. You want to know what old school is? Old school is an attitude. Old school is an attitude, meaning we're going to get new. You as a DJ, the only thing the hard drive does is you don't have to carry

that thousand records you want to play that's right but you still get to play the thousand records you know i'm saying so we the old school guys have to embrace the change of everything but you don't have to change who you are to fit in you need to just show up and do what you got to do some of the top selling tours is that's's right, OGs. Rolling Stones, ACDC, this and that. And they're just out there doing that thing. And what happens with this new generation? I was in Cleveland performing at this event with all the rappers and the DJs playing all the new music.

So I'm performing. I got 30 minutes, right? 30 minutes to prove I'm worthy, right? So the whole time, the young crowd, you know, they're 18 to 22. They're doing this my whole show. Not moving once. I don't care. I'm going to. They're doing this the whole show.

About 17 of the whole show. No movement at all. Finish cool. Get off stage. Come out my dressing room. Who's waiting for me? Yo, my dad told me, man, but I never seen it. I never experienced it i never experienced

it and they tell me this yo d i said thank you they say yo oh hey you put it down harder than the youngins because they say in dmc at 55 years old but i'm acting like the 12 year old kid that was in his room writing a rhyme trying to be like flash in the furriest vibe that thing never changed so to answer your question, capitalism didn't destroy nothing. We got a lot of people that we need to move from those places of position because I'm not getting money, but we don't

need you on the front. You know what I'm saying? It's about attitude. I remember K.R.S. One said one day, yeah, I want to check. Yes, you crazy. But then he said this. I said, wow, the teacher said this. He said, my first responsibility is that audience. So when you see this Run DMC documentary, you're going to see

Dermain. You're going to see MC Light. You're going to see Eminem. You're going to see Ice Cube say this. Ice Cube said... No, I ain't going to give it away. Now, February 1st... Run DMC story. The docu-series, check it out Thursday, February 1st on Peacock. And we appreciate you.

We appreciate you, Lashley. Thank you for having me here. I saw y'all had Grandmaster Flash in the building. See, y'all are hip-hop. Y'all are hip-hop. The other people are just radio stations. Y'all are hip-hop because y'all are being what we are while you're doing everything else. Appreciate that.

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