The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Dr. Chuck Morris Talks ‘Stress: Our Human Superpower,’ Regulating & Mastering Stress, Mindfulness, Fitness + More
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Charlemaine the God.
Envy had to run out,
but Lauren LaRosa is here,
and we got a special guest.
He's got to book out the Miseducation of Stress.
our human superpower, Mr. Chuck Morris.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
Good to be here.
Is that your real name?
It is.
You're accident every time.
I've never talked to him.
My government name is Charles Morris.
Charles Morris, right.
That's my government name is Charles Morris.
It's been Chuck.
People have been calling you Chuck Norris, too, because remember Envy was calling you Chuck Norris.
For two years, he was saying that.
Yeah, he did.
It was getting weird.
He got awkward.
Do you know any martial arts though?
Yes, but I don't tell people that.
It continues to populate the theory.
Got you, got you, got you.
So, yeah, we're into it, though.
I love the personal messages that you put in the book for us.
Oh, well, I'm real.
Yeah.
Oh, no, absolutely.
Yeah.
Because most people would just sign it.
No, I want to do that.
So, well, mine sucks about just the pressure of things.
And you say that on the book, it says that stress is our human superpower.
So explain how if we're pressured and we're feeling under, you know, the midst of all the things.
Why would stress be helpful?
Stress is like, it doesn't feel helpful.
And that's, Lauren, I'm glad you started there.
That's exactly the issue.
And that's why we say it's the miseducation.
Stress is technically the mechanism in our body that helps us perform.
It's literally your high performance system.
But because we don't understand it, we get taught that it's this bad thing that we have to fight against or don't let it happen.
But in essence, when you're in your flow state, that's a stress response.
Wow.
People have been using flow state a lot lately.
Yeah, it's a stress response.
So is that why people say things like, well, I operate better under stress or under pressure?
They're not under stress, people say pressure, but pressure is stress.
It equates to stress.
Exactly.
So the way that the design of us can't be denied.
It's beautiful.
And this is what I tell people.
I say, I love, now, I'm not an MD, I'm a scientist.
So I stay away from psychology, medicine, all that.
So we focus on human performance in just research and studies, right?
People say all the time that it's because I'm stressed is why I'm having this response.
it's because I'm stressed that I don't know how to do something.
And then they do what I think is healthy, which is counseling and coaching, which I think is beautiful.
Counseling and coaching in my mind, that's being taught how to open and shut the door of stress.
How do I open and close the door?
That's what counseling and prayer meditation is, in my opinion.
What we're talking about here is exactly how the nervous system is designed.
Well, we're trying to open and shut the door that's actually off the hinges.
Because we're under chronic stress, our systems are turned all the way up into hyper danger,
so the door isn't even on the hinges.
So why I say you stress is your superpower is because this is the thing that helps you be great.
The problem isn't stress.
It's us understanding how it works, how do we command it?
Yeah, because you don't really want the stress, right?
Because long-term exposure to stress, you know, can cause damage.
Like, you know, your cortisol levels will be high.
That can severely harm your body.
It raises your blood pressure, causes inflammation.
That can lead the heart attacks and all types of stuff.
Like, you don't really want the stress.
But I see, but you wrote in the book, here you quote,
stress is not the enemy losing control of the stress response is.
And to both of your point, we get taught grind.
I used to get it by seven, get it by four.
You get it by four.
We'll get it by three.
And it's go, go, go, go, go.
And the reality of it is, is we do go.
And the capability to go is a stress response.
The challenge is we don't know how to turn it down.
I don't regulate it.
So we don't understand.
We don't know how to regulate.
Think of it like a manual car.
And I'm always in one gear and I don't know how to shift gears.
Well, the point of the book is to help people understand, one, it's not a personal issue.
It's not a character flaw.
It isn't a discipline issue.
Let's deal with just how we're wired.
If we just deal with the actual wiring of the software, that helps empower a person and say, oh, wait a minute.
So I can control this.
In our space, in the longevity, wellness space,
breath work or whatever you want to call it has turned into just calm down.
How do I extract myself out of this distant situation to calm down and breathe to calm down?
And in my own opinion, research and observation, it's doing us to harbor disjustice.
Because breathing is the only way that I can change my entire physiological state.
And I don't need to breathe just to calm down.
So inside of the book, you're going to have all these different breathing techniques to help trigger your stress.
response, which is your high performance mechanism.
So this book helps you to regulate your stress.
Regulate.
Got you, got you.
Own it.
Master it.
So you could do a breathing technique that increases your cognitive process as a breathing technique.
Because I was thinking when you're stressed, like I feel like under stress, I used to think
I made the best decisions under stress.
But as I get older and the decisions matter more, I don't know if I feel that way anymore.
But you say in the book that you got to reroute the way that your brain deals with judgment
in stress.
But things be so chaotic when you stress or they feel like that.
So how are we rerouting that?
That is literally crazy.
Why are you asking that?
I'm reading the shit.
And it literally speaks to what you're saying.
When regulation is lost, the decision-making degrees.
You're probably looking at the same page.
Yeah, I literally just said how they're saying.
No, no.
I know what you made, though.
It shocked you because it's like, I'll just open it up to that page.
That's crazy.
No, I was going off of what she said about her life.
She, like, not what she read.
What she said to you was.
how when she was younger, she would make better decisions,
but as she got older, like, it became chaotic and hard to make decisions.
And that's what I mean, I was reading that.
Because it be like, now, I'm making decisions now.
I'm like, hmm, this is like.
Is that right?
But it's just like your adult life, like the decisions matter a lot more.
Or you feel like they do because it's big girl decisions now.
Now, if you allow me to present for your consideration, I present for your consideration.
The reality of the moment is the same, the relevance is the same, you're interpreting it or we interpret it differently.
Here's what I mean by that.
I'll use Charlie Mann.
He's about to go on stage.
He's going to do a talk and his pupils dilate.
He begins to sweat a little bit.
His hands, feel a little something in his stomach and his body's doing something.
And let's say Robert, some random person.
Robert's having the same experience.
And Robert has decided.
that that is a problem
and he needs to take medication
because he always has the issue
before he goes on to do something important.
The difference becomes
in that same physical, actual reality,
Charlemagne understands that,
no, my pupils dialysis so I can see better
and block out the side vision.
My stomach is acting up
because it's getting anything out of my stomach
out of the way because my system is saying
we don't need that.
My heart rate is increasing to increase the blood
and oxygen into my brain
so I can make sure I remember everything.
two same exact things are happening
but we're interpreting them differently
he's just not panicking
because he's understanding what's happening
no I agree with now I understand what you're saying
because I do have panic attacks right
but in a moment like that
I would expect to feel some level
of what I call good anxiety
because I know I'm about to go out in front of these people
what I'm about to do actually mean something to me
that there is going to be a level of anxiousness
whether you want to go out there and just
you know do a good job
and you're like oh let me go out there
and hurry to get this
over with whatever it is.
But I think the other person,
the panic attack is when you,
you know,
it's irrational fear.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm going to walk out there
and somebody going to stand up in the crowd
and shoot me.
And that starts,
that extreme starts way back.
Mm-hmm.
It starts way back.
And it starts when I'm younger
because I never was taught
how to process all the little
micro things that I went through.
That's right.
So I started creating these frameworks
and these belief systems
that now when I get older,
everything is hyper.
Or you didn't know what it was
when you was younger.
Like I had been dealing with panic attacks
since I was a,
child, but I didn't know that that's what it was. But then when I talked to my father or other people
of my family who had those same experiences and they were going to therapy and they were on medication,
I'm like, well, goddamn, why hell ain't you talking about this for a new kid? And I would know what I'm
dealing with. What took me into this, so again, the purpose of the book and a lot of people
push back, never clients, but the industry pushed back on. I've been known this full time 30 years.
But 24 years ago is when this book started. And I was so, I had so much chronic stress built up
my body, chronic stress. I was a high performer, blah, blah, blah, blah, all of that.
Anybody that knew me, I was the healthiest person that they knew. I thought I had pink eye,
took the drops, high pain tolerance. Three days later, because I got misdiagnosed, it wasn't
pink eye. Three days later, I'm in the South Jersey eye surgeons. They're like, hey, we're going
to cut this eye out. This one's coming out, not an option. And you're going to lose 80% of the
vision in this one. Hands down, no discussion. And we need you to calm down and stop physically
fighting us because I was in so much pain.
It was as if they had claws
squeezing my eyes and running
down my nervous system.
I literally contracted ulcers
from stress. What?
Not in my stomach in my corneas.
When God
allowed me to get healed from that,
that's what started this.
Hold on now. You had ulcers in your cornea?
Ulcers across my
corneas and the family physician
misdiagnosed it as pink eye.
I got to Google this because
I ain't heard of something.
But even stuff like that, it's like now you're trying to like, he's about to anticipate how he cannot get that.
And it's going to make you think about some notes that you might got to stress about.
But this, and that's the point of the book.
When you read each chapter, it's going to say, hey, this is what's going on.
This is how the body works.
And now here's something that I can do.
The purpose of the book is, I didn't call it a book.
It's a mini, it's a field manual.
What are six different breathing techniques that I can use to turn on what I need from my performance system when?
I need it.
And the more I learn how to do that,
we're going to change everything.
Because even the biases that I have,
those biases came from stress responses
that I didn't know, I didn't understand what to do with.
Like my family,
and I don't want to traumatize anybody,
I want to bring anything back for anybody,
so if this happens, I apologize.
The first time I witnessed death in front of me,
I was in fifth grade.
A friend was murdered right in front of me.
We never had counseling.
Never.
I've had that experience four times in my life.
life, never had a coat.
These were just things that it was like, hey, we don't have time for that.
I'm a last key kid in Philly.
Hey, keep it moving.
Keep it moving.
Right.
And all of that stuff built up, built up.
And that's what changed everything.
Because this stress thing, if we do it well, it takes mental health to a whole other level.
It takes it to, because mental health, we're trying to sleep at night.
We're trying to do things that we can't.
Our coach is trying to get us to understand stuff that we physically can't do.
Yeah.
Like we physically, I can't, we had, you say,
have people, hey, I can't meditate.
I said, well, you can't meditate because you don't know how to turn your brain off.
I don't know how to turn my brain off.
Okay.
Let's show you how to do that.
So that's the goal.
Like, if we could really get people to understand what stress is,
that it's not an enemy, that it's not a bad thing.
And then how does it actually get me in my flow?
How does it make me great?
Because it wasn't technically anxiety.
We've just used real bad language.
and it wasn't anxiety.
That was literally your system saying
this is important.
Pay attention.
I mean, I still think it was anxiety.
It was anxiety.
I mean, that's a clinical term.
Oh, yeah, I didn't get diagnosed
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Life, but...
Gotcha, right, so when you look back,
I got it, got, got, got it.
I realized I was dealing with panic attacks and anxiety.
That you had crossed over, right, so what you were dealing with had crossed over
into the next level.
Absolutely.
Got it.
I've been clinically diagnosed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is it harder to make your brain quiet down
when your brain may be bigger than others?
No.
No.
What it does do is it's a sensory issue.
It becomes a little bit more of a challenge.
So I have all kinds of sensory things.
My daughters, I brought two of them.
I have five kids.
I brought two of my daughters here with me.
They're getting tested by some of my issues.
But when you...
Yeah, yeah.
No, y'all don't have to, though.
When you have a lot of cognitive output,
it's almost like you have a superpower,
like some of the Marvel movies, Spider-Man,
and you can't just hear everything.
Oh, the brain.
Right, your brain is like, you can't turn everything down.
So it takes more practice.
Like, we have to do more reps,
but the work itself is the same.
You just got to do more reps.
Now, what does relaxation
quietly, why does relaxation
quietly fail people?
That's supposed to help you, like, relax,
but why do you feel that it, like, quietly fails people?
Because we've taught,
we've been taught,
especially in America at relaxation means to stop
relaxation means to slow down and to not move
the only way I can relax is to not move
as opposed to if I'm understanding how my system is working
my attempt to relax is to process what's happening with me
because that's really what I want to do I want to process what's happening with me
and then my nervous system says that I'm safe
and then it allows me chemically and neurologically to calm down
but instead often we just stop moving
and that's not the same thing
and so that's how you command your nervous system
on demand correct
because you also speak about that a lot too
like being able to like command your nervous system
that's like some of the hardest shit to do for some people
well that's what the breathing exercises and stuff is yeah
but if you're not in like your mindset is just
if you're everywhere and you're like a ball of emotions
and you're in like a situation that causes you
If you're overstimulated, I would say it.
How the hell are you supposed to be able to do that?
Like, without a coach.
Like, because sometimes you'd be having to call me down
and it's like, yo, no, like, no, I'm trying.
Go at people.
No, yo.
Like, you're like, no, just breathe.
You know, how are you supposed to be able to regulate that,
like to command your nervous system on demand?
I think the first thing is to recognize
is that there's nothing wrong with you.
Damn.
I think that's the first thing.
That's not a problem.
The fact that you're feeling everything,
that's your body takes
some more information
than we can even process.
That's not a problem.
So the moment I begin to think
that that's a problem
now I'm trying to fix it
and I'm frustrated so I'm putting all this up
so the first step is
actually this is not a problem
the question is
what should I be focusing on?
I have the ability to get all of it
and I can feel them behind me
but what's most important
and again the breathing techniques
first the book helping people kind of
understand it
then do
the breathing technique, it helps you just like, wait a minute, there is another option.
And it's a real option.
This isn't somebody's opinion.
Yeah.
And what we did on purpose was we not only did we just do the book, there's a free app that
we're not going to launch for another two months.
But I want, and the reason why we don't want to let the app out is because I don't want
to be a toy.
By reading the book, it's going to change.
It has the potential to change your mind and how you're seeing reality.
But then the app is unique because it literally teaches you and trains you like a training
app. You practice breathing techniques.
The phone will shaking your
hand and try to distract you. So ultimately,
you're practicing what you need
so you can have it in a moment that you need it.
That's why diagnoses are important, though,
because, you know, until you have
the language for what you're going through,
you'll think of something else. You know how many times I checked myself
in the emergency room when I was younger?
Because I thought something was wrong in my heart.
Not realizing it was just anxiety
and panic attacks. But I thought something
was actually wrong my heart, but it was
anxiety. But, Charlie me, this is
man the reason why that's so powerful is because we often get taught that it's in your head
like well what does that even mean yeah what do you mean yeah it's all in my head it's yes everything
that i'm experiencing is in my head of course it is and it's in the rest of me you think it's a lot up there
oh it's a lot yeah yeah yeah wait have you didn't enough up there so shut up there you
You wake up
Peanut head body
Don't do him
Don't do him
You have a dream
Have you ever had to dream
When you wake up from a dream
And your shirt is wet from sweat
Or your heart is wearing
Absolutely
Right
So you're having a physical response
For something that's only happening in your mind
Oh you're like
Oh wait
That don't matter, doctor's because I'm sleep
Okay
Go to a movie
You're going to the movie
We paid for pretend
So I know this isn't real
I paid for pretend
I'm watching
I'm participating in pretend, but I cry, I laugh.
If it's an action scene that you do it long enough and I've had trauma in my life,
you start doing stuff with your hands.
These are physical responses to stuff that's only happening in my head.
I'm not pointing at it.
The more you point at it, I'm going to say something.
It's very shiny.
You know, if you look at it, on this side, Charlemagne.
It's been distracting from the time to walk in.
I want you to know, I thought it was a competition at first.
I did.
When I dabbed you up, I did kind of look at your head.
No, but yours is slimmer.
His is a little thick.
His head is thick.
Well, but it's about the glove.
I know what product.
That's what I did.
I went to test what he was using.
That's shame butter, but it's not.
That's oil.
He used a lot of butter.
I use something called Klein.
No, for real, it's really good.
What?
It's true.
No, listen, this is happening.
I'm going to.
I got you.
I got you.
I got you.
I do the four.
Do you?
Y'all use your hands to put that on?
Y'all use your hands to put that on?
I use my hands.
I don't use my hand.
I feel like you're coming at me just.
But what you're saying is absolutely right.
You have to know what's going on up here.
Even when you talk about stress being a superpower,
you can't regulate any of that stuff
if you don't know what it is.
Like that was the biggest thing for me.
Once I realized, okay, I deal with anxiety.
Or even bouts of depression,
you deal with bouts of depression.
You have to know these things.
When you know these things, you know how to regulate them.
That's it.
I actually know that it's real.
I know what it is.
And to your point, it's not an indictment
against me as a person.
It doesn't mean I'm weak or it doesn't mean I've been weight and measured and found lacking.
No, this is a real life thing that I don't get to just strong on.
Yeah.
And the title, you say stress is a superpower, right?
But most people look at it as something that they want to eliminate.
Yeah.
What exactly are you like trying to correct about that?
Like, because it's miseducation of stress.
What?
I know it's not just one thing, but like what is like a key thing you want to correct?
Yeah.
For me, one of the biggest.
things I'm trying to correct is that
you are not less than
and you can't control it
that's right that's what I really
want people to understand like you can't
control it and that's why
the book doesn't say take control says take command
command is actually
dispersing and giving out orders as opposed to trying to
contain it no no I want to direct it
because I can't control it so for me
that's the biggest thing to help people understand that it's nothing
wrong with you and you don't get to stop
this you don't get to stop
it and the last part of it is to understand that it's amazing.
Yeah.
I like that.
You can't control it.
You can only command it because you don't know when it happens.
Like it could be the most random thing.
You'd be like, okay, I did that yesterday.
Yeah.
Yesterday I'm at, I'm at dinner.
It was just me and my homie and we were talking.
And we literally was one of those conversations that lasted like an hour and some change, right?
Hour and a half, you know, you're just getting lost in the conversation.
And at some point, man, I just looked around and was like, all right, it's time to go.
I'm getting paranoid because I just started feeling myself getting anxious for.
for no reason.
And so I was like, but I knew it's time to go.
And you knew all of those people though.
I was just in a rather.
It wasn't, I'd been sitting there fine for hour and a half.
There was nothing that changed.
I just, it was just one of them things.
It was just like, random, you know, panic attack
starting the setting.
Like, you know what?
And I told him, like, yo, time to go, man.
What's starting your paranoid for no reason?
But sometimes stuff like that,
people would say, well, what if that was like your intuition telling you?
Might have been, maybe.
But he always like that, yeah.
But like, how do you defer to two
where it's like, nah, this is my inner voice,
really telling me, no, you need to leave.
Something's wrong.
I didn't say nothing that it was wrong, though.
I just knew that my anxiety was setting in,
and I was feeling what I feel,
and so it's just time for me to leave.
Like you said, you can't control it,
you can just command it.
You know what?
I'm about to be out,
because if I stay here any longer,
I'm going to have a random panic attack
for no goddamn reason.
So that's education,
pardon me, that's education and history.
We literally have,
when we talk about intuition,
And I don't, I don't tell anybody, I don't try to push what I believe in anybody else.
I stick with science, technology and biology, because we can argue about that forever.
With that being said, inside your stomach, inside of our stomach, we have sensors that actually can identify and feel vibrations.
Like this is, like, you ever say, oh, I felt something to, I don't know, I felt something in my stomach.
That's not in your head most times.
You're in Lawrence you growling the whole time?
I didn't know what I was a chicken sandwich over there because I was.
You know, I've been like you wrong with it.
It was me.
It's usually you.
So the camera's shaking.
No, I had some oatmeal before you came in because it do be me, though.
So you feel it in your stomach.
You literally feel that in your stomach.
And that's because from you, there's a frequency, there's a micro frequency literally vibrating off of you.
And when mine's hit yours and if there's something really off with you, it could be because of how my own trauma.
So I feel it because it's happening.
but how I interpret it is based on what's going on.
Right.
So that's, you know, when you say,
well, how do you know which one it is?
Yeah.
You don't really know.
You just got to figure out what the next command is.
So while that's happening, what's the command I need to give?
And, Doc, this is my last question.
You coached everybody from, you know,
all the types of athletes, fighters, NFL players, you know,
to stay home parents, right?
Whatever, everybody from everywhere, right?
What is the biggest myth that,
both, that people on both ends of that spectrum believe about their body?
Hmm.
I think the biggest myth that they both, I used to think when we were super poor that
I just needed money and I was going to change my life.
Then I realized that wasn't it.
Nope.
Because then I felt, I found my first three multimillionaires that cried themselves asleep.
So I think the biggest myth that goes across that entire spectrum is the belief that
as that aging and decaying is the same thing.
And I've been fighting that for 18 years with people.
They think aging and decaying is the same thing.
And it is not.
No way.
I get what you're saying.
It is not.
And the fight that truth with people is, that's the work.
Okay.
So decaying, that's something's wrong.
Like you're doing something wrong.
Like you're literally rotting.
Right.
People think, oh, well, an example would be.
be your knee hurts because, oh, I'm 50 now.
I'm losing.
I can't remember things because I'm getting older.
All of that, that entire re-out, that entire language and expression is evil, is wicked, and it is a lie.
No, you're right.
We put, we put value on things that have age, like, like wine and cognac and anti-car, cheese.
But the most amazing thing in existence.
Yeah, but your body, we act like as the can as we get older.
No, you're right.
Okay.
You're right.
Yeah.
That was my last question.
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