The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Dr. Leandris Liburd & Tara Robinson Talk Signs Of Heart Attacks, Live To The Beat Campaign + More

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

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The Breakfast Club. Yep, Charlemagne Tha God, god just hilarious dj envy had to step out for a second but we got some special guests dr leandris labird and tara robertson leandra is the director of cdc's office of health equity and tara is the founder and ceo of the black heart association and since february is heart health month we had to have them up here today how are you good morning good morning Good morning. How are you feeling? Good. Glad to be able to talk about black women's heart health today with you all.

Absolutely. Share a little bit of data. Data's not new. But we really are here to talk more about what black women can do and how our whole community can support black women in having healthier hearts and healthier lives. Well, what is the CDC Foundation's Live to the Beat campaign for those that don't know? Yeah. So the Live to the Beat campaign is a Web based campaign that really targets African-Americans with things that we can do in order to protect our health and our heart health. It has lots of resources, lots of videos. It's very culturally based, very much the things that we can relate to in our own communities. And so it's been around for three years.

We just invite all of your your listeners and your viewers to go to livetothebeat.org forward slash heart to heart. We're going to talk today a lot about the heart to heart challenge. Okay. What is the heart to heart challenge? Yeah. So the heart to heart challenge focuses on particularly black women, even though heart disease is the leading cause of death for all black people. And heart disease is the leading cause of death for all women.

It kills more women than all forms of cancer combined. And so what we want to be able to do is to encourage black women to get involved with the campaign and the challenge, follow some simple steps, and really start to just be more empowered to take care of themselves. Yes. And to prioritize self-care. That's a big theme. So we say that self-care. That's a big theme. So we say that

self-care is health care. We want to really focus on that today. I love that. Did you so which one I want to know one of y'all survived three heart attacks. Terror. You.

Girl. That has to be well it's amazing that you're still here in front of me. You. Girl, that has to be it. Well, it's amazing that you're still here and in front of me. Right. But like, did you know something was wrong before? I didn't. I didn't. My symptoms started in 2013. My left arm went numb in my neck. And you would think based on those two symptoms that I would say, oh, it's my heart. But no, I'm always in touch with the health care system, going to the doctor when I'm supposed to.

And so me and my husband said, well, maybe I just sleep on this side too much, start self-diagnosing. And so I did that. And then so I said, well, I'll wait until January to go follow up with my primary care and thinking I had time, not knowing then that someone was dying every 80 seconds from a heart attack. And so I went to my doctor and I said, hey, you know, these things are happening to me. My left arm is going numb.

My feet are darker. You know, I'm tired. My neck. And she said, well, maybe you're just stressed. Your doctor? My doctor said that. Okay. Yes.

And so I said, maybe I am because I'm a mother. I'm a wife. I wear all these many hats as many women do. And so I left there thinking I was just stressed. She made no connection to my heart being a possible issue. So God kept me from January to April. April 10th, I woke up at two o'clock in the morning. I still had all those symptoms times 10 and then went to the ER. By the time I arrived there, I felt much better, was dismissed and told them to follow up my primary care. And then the next day in my classroom had another one.

Then I'm going back and forth with the cardiovascular doctor that I should stay because they wasn't finding anything on their test. But then I was released at 11 at 4 o'clock the next day, going back having a massive heart attack. So were they not doing the right test? They weren't? I believe that they were doing the test that they know to do. That's what I have to believe to be okay.

But I think as data shows that most women don't show like men, present like men with heart attacks. But for me, I had the textbook symptoms. And so we know as black women, we face other issues with healthcare as far as bias and racism. So I faced those two things as going through my ordeal. So we have to know where we stand and we have to know what our risk factors are. And that's why this campaign is so important. I've done like a million different, I've done every single heart test that you can possibly do. Right.

So even when they did, I don't know the technical term for it, but when they put the ink inside of you and they can look inside your arteries. Stress test? No, I did the stress test. But this is when they put the dye in you. And it gets warm. It makes you warm. And then they can look inside your heart valves

and see if there's any blockage in your widow maker. They didn't do that for you? I went through the cath lab during my massive heart attack. They didn't do that before because I guess maybe they were coming back to back, and I feel like they didn't do enough. I'm sure there was other things they could have done. But I didn't have that done until I went through – well, I didn't do that part, but I went through the cath lab, and then that's when I went into sudden death.

I ended up dying that day, losing my life, going to heaven, coming back here. And so none of that happened because at that point it was too late this i'm in crisis at this moment and so they did the basic test your ekg your cat scan your uh heart enzyme test that's what was done when i went through er nothing more uh that you would see at a cardiovascular doctor sorry forgive me i'm stupid i just realized i thought you had three separate heart attacks it was all at one time no i had one april 10th april 11th april 12th and then the next day yeah yikes yeah and you said you died and went to heaven yeah yeah you you saw heaven i did please elaborate if you don't mind please i don't want to take the interview from little to the beat

but um so what happened was i thank god it was a a sister in there that may help me be very comfortable. So it's important. No, in the emergency. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm glad you're with me. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Go ahead.

Tell her there's a sister in heaven. Oh, my God. Go ahead. So the nurse, I remember her because you're up during the entire procedure. And so she was like, he's going to tamper with your heart. You're going to feel a little discomfort, but it's going to be okay okay she was from new orleans so she had that thick accent okay but it made me feel very comfortable and um when she said that i was just gone and so how i knew where i was i could see myself and it was a perfect day if you could think of the perfect day with the perfect

green grass perfect temperature perfect you, and so vibrant, everything. And I could see myself, like, walking. And I had this peace, and that's how I knew where I was because my mind was wide clear. I wasn't worried about my children here, my husband. Nothing here was a factor for me. And so I could hear my name being called. It was called three times, and it was the nurse. And then I knew where I was because I was on my way.

I could feel that like a knowing. Yeah. And then I was back here after she called my name and I didn't realize she was like, oh, you fell asleep on us for a second. And then when the doctor came in and said you had 99 percent blockage known as the widow maker. He said, but when you died on us, I stopped and prayed for you. And so I was lucky enough to have a doctor at that moment. Wow. Dr. DeLandris, what's a sign that something may be wrong with our hearts?

Well, Tara, you know, she certainly shared some of the classic symptoms. But the other things we need to always be aware of is our numbers. What is our blood pressure level? What is our cholesterol level? What are our blood sugars? I would even say, you know, what's our weight? You know, we need to check in with our physician regularly around these things. And I wanted to just mention just a couple more reasons why black women tend to have this higher burden of heart disease.

Some of them are systemic or structural. Things like, you know, not having access to health insurance, not having paid sick leave, having lots of financial stress because black women tend to be, I'm going to say overrepresented in like poverty. Yeah. And, and also, you know, not necessarily having access to quality healthcare because of the biases that

we sometimes encounter in the healthcare system. But the other thing that we really want to sort of elevate today is the stereotype of the strong black woman. And we want to dismantle that and start to disrupt that and really rethink what it means to be strong. We have this long history of putting others before us, ahead of us, of taking care of others. We can go all the way back to slavery and to the present. And so we want to give black women permission today to put themselves first for a change, to really say, I'm deserving of taking care of me.

So we know from research that black women report higher levels of psychological stress. And we know from data that black women have higher rates of cardiovascular disease overall. A black woman is 60% more likely to have high blood pressure, higher rates of coronary disease, but also higher rates of stroke deaths than when we compare to non-Hispanic white women. So these things taken together are our concerns. So we want to really encourage and press black women, their families and communities to really pay attention and take charge. So the heart-to-heart challenge is that we're asking women to do three things. The first one is to identify a small step that they can take. That could be taking a daily self-care walk.

It could be tracking what you're eating and your physical activity, your movement. It could be taking deep breaths. We need to do better and breathing and exhaling some of this stress and also keeping a gratitude journal which is really

surprising has an actual health benefit and then knowing your numbers as I mentioned before and then telling someone. So the second part of the campaign is to go public with the commitment that you've made to prioritize your own self-care. You know, tell friends, tell family members, put it on your social media page. And then the third thing is we want the women who will participate in the campaign to celebrate that commitment by coming to Atlanta.

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That's a good link. Okay. Oh, that's nice. That's a good link. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. And then the only other thing I don't want to forget to mention in terms of a small step is when you need to speak to a professional because, like, your world just sort of is, like, unraveling.

You don't feel like you can keep it all together. We want to encourage women to seek that help. There is no stigma that should be attached to that. It's okay. We want to really encourage that, particularly in the black community. That's the essence of the campaign. That's why we think this is so important. This year, like I was saying, we've known for decades that certainly that high blood pressures is a big problem in the African-American community.

But we also know now that there are things that we can do. We don't have to just sit with it. I've heard that um taking fish oil capsules lowers cholesterol is that true you know what i'm not really up to date on like those kinds of supplements and i would really encourage you to ask your physician yeah i'll take them every morning i would say it is good for your heart my my um physician prescribed them to me But, of course, you want to follow what your doctor, but they are good. I take them every morning. I hear that a lot.

I do fish oil and a baby aspirin, and then I got statin that night because I was born in 1978. I do want to answer your question. You asked what are the signs and what are some of the signs and symptoms. So I would say for women, it's totally different from men. You know, I was lucky enough to have the textbook symptoms, which only 20% of women show up at the ER with the textbook symptoms. So imagine what happens to the rest of us who don't have those and see what I got with them.

With men, you usually have the textbook symptoms. But with women, it can be a bellyache. You hear women complain of either arm being numb you can hear fatigue you can hear no symptoms at all and the danger with heart disease is that it doesn't have a look you know

no shout to my counselors, survivors sisters but heart disease is dangerous because it looks okay it looks like me and you dressed up in makeup it looks like us in clothes we have to, you know, change that narrative. So in order to save our lives, and that's why these campaigns are a lift to the beat is important because when

we talk about small steps, small steps is looking at your plate and saying, what can I do to better, um, manage my health? Because yeah. I want to ask you another question about, because you have the black heart association. I mean, you know, of course black people and white people, we got the same organs. But is there more stressors that happen? Of course, this is a stupid question. What are the stressors that that black people have to deal with more that probably make us more prone to heart disease? Well, you know, we have a lot going on. I think about this most recent lesson.

Let's just think about George Floyd and us as black women. And we all heard him call for his mother. You know, those kind of things stay with us as people. So we have racism that we have to go through. We have biases that we have to go through. We don't have enough black doctors. We don't have enough resources in our community. We're at Black Heart. We're in the community every single day. My husband's at two events today, and we have won 28 events this month. So we're seeing that we go to areas that don't have access to food. Why?

Why are we still here as a nation when we can send billions of dollars everywhere else? But why can't we take care of our own communities right here in America? So it's a lot of things that, you know, access to proper education. A lot of things are missing, and we have to come together to figure that out. Yes, we do have the same heartbeat, but do we have the same heartbeat when it comes to America? What kind of lifestyle changes should we be making? So things like changing our diet, certainly to have less salt. We need to be more physically active.

Stop smoking, if that's something that you're doing. Now, stop smoking what? There's some things, I know there's some things, not for me. No, we're talking about stop smoking cigarettes. Okay, all right, yeah. Yeah, I agree. What about marijuana? Is marijuana good to lower stress levels?

Well, you know, as the CDC representative here, I'm going to ask you to speak to your physician about that. Tara, what do you think? I think it has its pros and cons. I think in the community we definitely tell, you know, we can't tell people what they should or we can say, we suggest, based on what you're going through. But I think it definitely has its pros and cons. Once we get addicted to something, then it becomes a con. So we just have to be mindful of that balance. I think it's checks and balances in everything we do, whether it's from eating, stress, bad relationships, whatever it is we're doing,

it's always checks and balances and having to consider our health in every decision we make throughout the day. And we really need to, I think, look at the root causes. So often we're self-medicating, we're covering up, we're just not dealing with the real thing. And so, you know, we hope that through this campaign in particular that women and black women will start to have some real conversations and that our whole community will start to rally because

we're going to have to save ourselves in terms of really being able to live a long and healthy life. Yeah, absolutely. I know this kind of caters to me as well. I don't know if there's a direct link to it, but I was born with a heart murmur, a leaky valve, and I got heart surgery at birth, but I was too small for them to go through my heart, so they went through my back.

And it hasn't bothered me over the years. It used to bother me when I was a child, when I was really, really young, but since my vision will go black sometimes, it will come right back, you know what I mean? But I couldn't really do too much in gym when I was in elementary school and things like that, but it hasn't bothered me since then. But every now and then it will be like a little, you know,

I always describe it like this I don't know if you ever heard this but like cords get tangled up in your in your chest it just feels like that sometimes when I'm laying down and I have to you know change positions and to your point of like sometimes like what you did when you had your textbook symptoms, you just was like, maybe I'm tired. Maybe, like, I will say I have been afraid to go see. Heart disease doesn't run in my family, but I'm the only one that was, you know, born with a heart murmur or, you know, a leaky valve. And I had the surgery. And like I said, it hasn't really, like, affected me greatly since I had the surgery. But it bothered me as a child a little bit.

But I haven't had anything alarming except for those little pains every now and then. What I would say to you, but if it's enough to get your attention, then you definitely should get it checked out. And I think it's interesting that you bring up the point, because we hear this in the community all the time, that heart disease doesn't run in our family. But if we have high blood pressure, if we have cholesterol issues, then we that heart disease doesn't run in our family but if we have high blood pressure if we have cholesterol issues then we have heart disease yeah and so we have to start connecting the dots to make it make sense if we're I had my heart attacks because of stress I don't have high blood pressure cholesterol I still to this day don't have any of those things

but I was internalizing going back to that strong black woman trope that we're talking about so I think a lot of us as black people whether you're're a black man or woman, you internalize a lot because of pride or for whatever reason you don't want to get it out. But I'm telling you now, if you've had high blood pressure, diabetes, or any of those things for several years, you should have already checked in with a heart specialist. So don't do that.

So you was just stressed out? Like you didn't have no plaque or nothing? What? Right. Wow. But I did have blockage. But it was caused by my stress. My levels because i dealt with childhood trauma you know yeah and uh a lot of us do i i was molested as a child i was abused so you got all of those situations i end up becoming a counselor but you're strapping

you know trying to get out the hood trying to do all these things. And when you get there and you, you're not healed, it's just a ticking time bomb. And I set myself up for, for failure in that sense. Things that you didn't have healed. Things that went without fixing. Yeah. I was holding on to everything and we hold on to a lot.

Unforgiveness, anger, all of that. And so everything flows through our heart. Nothing misses it. Yeah. My doctor told me that I'm just fighting against genetics because he's like, my arteries just are aging faster than I am.

But heart disease runs in my family. My dad had whatever's after four. Quadruple. No, quadruple is four. So whatever's after that. Quintuple. Thank you, doctor. He had that bypass surgery.

My uncles had like three or four different bypass surgeries. Yeah. And at Black Heart, we do genetic, well, we do lipoprotein A, so we can tell our community if they're at risk of ever having a heart attack or stroke. So we do a lot of things on that bus, and we're trying to be national with it so we can take this, we take this campaign to our community as well, encouraging them to take those small steps. Well,

how can people reach out to y'all for, you know, more questions, uh, you know, if they got more, Oh, for questions and more info.

So certainly go to the website, live to the beat.org forward slash heart to heart. Um, that's where you can, um, get more and more information about live to the Beat and all of the many more strategies that we've been able to cover today. Yeah. And and also you can reach us through through that Web site that someone will follow up with you. Yeah, for sure. What about Black Heart Association?

So we're Black Heart Association dot org. And we're about to get two more buses, one in Houston, one in San Antonio. And hopefully we'll be nationalation.org. And we're about to get two more buses, one in Houston, one in San Antonio, and hopefully we'll be national soon. Amazing. Well, people need to support what y'all doing and tap in. Cause I don't know. Heart disease is the number one killer of black people in America, right?

That's correct. Yeah. Can I just say, thank you to you all for opening up this conversation, for making it real, for letting people know that it's okay to say that we're not okay yeah because we're not okay but we can be better absolutely but we have to start now i've been running to the er for as long as i can remember because you know i gotta deal with anxiety so you know when

you have anxiety and you're having these panic attacks when you're young you always think it's a heart attack so i always was running to the er you know trying to figure out what was going on my heart and it wasn't until over the past year and some change when I did a whole lot of tests. I did the Soren medical scan with Dr. Puma. And that's when my mind finally was at ease. I know what I needed to do for my heart health. Yeah. And the fact that you bring up running to the ER, don't allow them to tell you that it's not anxiety or that anxiety

doesn't lead to heart issues because it does. And you can find out more about that on the Heart to Heart campaign. But it does. And those issues impact your heart. Depression, all that, you know, impacts our heart. So we have to be really mindful when we hang out with these things. And when we go into the ER, have your voice. Activate your voice.

There's power in our voices. And speak up because they will dismiss the fact that you have just anxiety or just this. So make sure that they're doing those heart checkups when you arrive at the ER. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Leandris Liburd. Did I pronounce that right? No, it's not fine.

Leandris Liburd. Leandris Liburd. Did I pronounce that right? No, it's not fine. I'm going to get it right. Leandris Liburd. Leandris Liburd. We can't be messing up the body name. That's going to contribute to the heart. That's right. That's right. No, it's Liburd.

I've been called a lot of things. Yeah. And Tara Robinson, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you. It's The Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up. Early in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Maybe not. No country willingly gives up their territory. Oh my God. What is that?

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