The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Drew Sidora Talks RHOA, Split From Ralph Pittman, Drama With Porsha Williams, Dennis McKinley + More

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Drew Sidora Talks RHOA, Split From Ralph Pittman, Drama With Porsha Williams, Dennis McKinley. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone. Most of all, his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. How far would he go to cover up what he'd done? The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific.

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You came out of a marriage, you came out of quote unquote country music, and you had a huge growth spurt from what I can tell I was Expanding and growing at a really fast pace And yes, you could throw motherhood and the postpartum thing learning about myself There were a lot of like identity crises going on But I realized like I can't look back and slow down for people Listen to dear Chelsea on the I heart radioRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts. Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We are The Breakfast Club. Laura Rose is here as well. And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. You know her from Real Housewives of Atlanta. And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed.

You know her from Real Housewives of Atlanta. Ladies and gentlemen, Drew Sedora, welcome. Oh snap, good morning y'all. How you feeling? Please Drew, how are you? I feel good, I'm good. I actually have been in New York for a couple days. So the city's been showing me love.

I'm not tired, I'm awake. You are. I'm here with y'all. Yes. How's your energy, how's your energy? My energy is better, you know. I've been going through a lot. But I feel like where y'all have seen me for the past

what, two years, I'm definitely in a more healed place. When did you get to that place? Honestly, honestly, working on my album was like my therapy. So I think that just being able to get all of those emotions out and just do something productive and put it all on paper and leave it there, that was a big part of my healing journey. For people that don't know what y'all talking about, because a lot of people might not watch The Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah.

So she was on Housewives of Atlanta and you recently got a divorce, a separation. It's not official yet. Separation. I'm still going through the process. Which is a weird separation because he lives in a basement. Yes. And you live upstairs. Yes. And you're not allowed downstairs. Yes. And he's been there for some time. Yeah. And he's not allowed to come upstairs unless I grant him access. It's just like I've never heard of this. Like I don't know anybody else that I can say girl, how did you deal with this? You know, I've never heard of this and I did not know that would ever be something the judge would rule on.

So it makes it extra complicated. It's already hard enough, divorce is already tough enough, but you know, to run into each other in the driveway or, you know what I mean? Like it's a lot, you have no idea. Well, how did it even come to that point that who said that this how it should be? Like, cause we, I've never heard of that. That he say I want to live and I want to remain in the house.

And like, how did that happen? He was basically like, I'm not leaving. Like his attorneys were like, yeah he's not gonna leave the premises. And so have you seen that movie War of, what is it, World of Roses? War of Roses. Thank you, yeah right.

It's like that in real life. You know where it's the asset in the marriage. And so what I've been learning through this process, like you know it's love and it's like pure bliss and we built this beautiful family and we're building legacy and then all of a sudden we're going through a divorce and now it's like pure bliss and we built this beautiful family and we're building legacy and then all of a sudden we're going through a divorce and now it's all business.

It's like a negotiation of so the asset being the house, it's a big deal. And so I would love to just split everything. Like 50-50, keep it simple and we can be done. But he's like, I want everything. I want the house, I want 40% of your business that I've had since 2005, it's my company, you know?

And he's coming for that and it's just mess. How did y'all get there though? What started the separation? People assumed it was cheating, people assumed it was so many different things. How did y'all get there? Let's go, girl. I watched the show with Dwight.

I like when you get in your bag. I like when you get in your real house wide bag. I like when you get in your real house wide bag, daddy. When you be scrambling and scrambling in your real housewife back, I like that, daddy. Yes. All right, I'm sorry. Okay, so you know everything.

So then you watched it. Explain to people, so what happened? Right, so, a lot. So we lived in Chicago, I'm from Chicago originally, born and raised, and we lived there for some time, and it was a lot of women, you know? It was a lot of women, you know, it was a lot of women, you know, the whole finding things in your phone or,

I got family, like it's family. Everybody knows we live here. People seeing you out, sir, at dinner with women. So it was a lot of that. So you went in his phone? I did at one point, honestly. Why you so nosy? Excuse me, what?

Why can't you let him and his women be? Wow. Charlotte, what the hell? Women! Oh, she's the only man Wow. I'm just about to say. What the hell? Women! Oh, see? See? I'm not talking about the man over there I'm talking about. I need to ask you some questions now.

You know what? At first I thought it was because he just don't watch the show. Then I'm like, oh no, he trying to get her. He being the girl. Aren't you from South Carolina? Yes, ma'am. That might be cousins. Really?

I can't tell. Oh, he's from QG. Oh yeah, QG. Yeah, QG right by Moe's Corner. Oh! Right by Moe's Corner. You know he got a lot of cousins. You remember Cousin Courtney on the show?

Oh yeah, he don't know Cousin Courtney. Oh, you don't see him? So wait, so back then, that was in Chicago you founded, but then y'all moved to Atlanta, you forgave him? Yes, I did. You know, because let me tell you, so my parents were married for 60 years till my dad passed away. So I grew up in a household, you know, where I saw people choose each other every day,

fight, make up, you know, that was just what I saw. So that's what I wanted for myself. So when I got married, it was like, this is what we go through. We're gonna talk about it, communicate, move forward. So yes, I did forgive him. We moved to Atlanta and he left and went to Tampa for three days. Everyone saw that on national TV.

But it was embarrassing, you know what I mean? Like you leave your family and you don't tell us where you went and it was more so because it was public, you know, and humiliation and embarrassment. And I think that was tough. That was the last straw, that was it for you? I mean it was that and it was just the continuous, you know, continuous behavior of like dealing

with other women and then coming on the that and it was just the continuous, you know, continuous behavior of like dealing with other women and then coming on the show and then there was women saying, oh they were pregnant. It was a particular woman who reached out and said she was pregnant with this baby. And that was a big thing. That was probably one of the biggest straws. And then it was the disrespect of my mom, you know, of my family, the disrespect of my son Jojo, my 14 year old.

So it was just very layered. And finally he moved out of the bedroom, so we separated and we were separated at the time. So it was a huge separation. We were trying to repair things, but ultimately it just wasn't able to be repaired. And he thought you cheated at one time. Well, that's what he says. You know it was almost

like oh she's hanging out and having fun. Oh this is my moment you know and now it flipped to like a victim mentality when that really wasn't what it was. And it was pride moment so they thought it was a girl. Oh well they thought that before this month. Oh yeah but I heard you talk about it on Carlos King and that was my first time actually hearing you explain it the way you did. So he had alleged that you were dating a woman at the time, and that's what you were cheating with. And you said, at the time, you were going through so much with him that you would have taken attention

from a cardboard box. Please talk about that. Is it cheating if he's eating? What are we eating? What is the matter with you, girl? Lord. Just the comic relief is the matter with you, girl? Lloyd! Just the comic relief of the situation that you made. I mean, you know, I wouldn't say there was eating.

You know, we were hanging out. That's still my girl to this day. Like, we're still friends. But I think it was extra sauce placed on it. I will say, okay, flirting, yeah. Like, I'll be honest about that. A little nibble. A little nibble on some food. We went to dinner. Okay. We was eating at the dinner table. But all of the extra stuff, I mean you have to really watch the show and know who Ralph is. He is very much a

narcissist and that's who I married. That's who I chose to love. But at the end of the day, what happened happened. People have actually witnessed it, the disrespect. So to say, okay, I happened happened. People have actually witnessed it, the disrespect. So to say, okay, I'm hanging with this woman and now it's a relationship, that just came out of nowhere. There was never any evidence. Where's the receipt? Like, you know, people can say things.

Does it make it true? People say things about you, you know? Is everything true? Not everything, but a lot of things are true about it. Not everything. Well, listen, how do you balance healing in private when your pain is being monetized on reality TV? Honestly, you know, that time that we did not come right back

on the show, I was actually grateful because that was a time that I took just to self. Like I spent my time alone, you know, I just completely shut down and I did a lot of praying. And like I said, honestly, people may not have understood why I said Dennis was my angel on earth but really it was it I was very grateful because it was a blessing at that time to have somewhere to go a lot of times like I didn't want to wake up out and get out the bed it's like you just don't

feel productive like yeah overwhelmed depression is real so it was just knowing that I have people supporting me believing in me and a rooting for me and I had to show up for that. And when I got to the studio, it's like, okay, I made it, you know? And then being able to compile all this body of work and have a productive outlet, like I said, it was exactly what I needed to get me to the other side,

where I am now. Looking back, because your project is here, the music is here, but looking back on it, you brought up the Dennis Angel on Earth comment, and the people had conversations about that for a while. Oh, I know. It was crazy. You look grimy.

I'm not gonna lie. You look shady when it first came out. Because it came out that you were working with Portia's. Portia's Dennis? Yes. Whatever Dennis is out here. Yes, Portia's Dennis. I thought you knew.

It's the shock for me. It's the utter shock. Remember we had the conversation with Portia about this whole thing? I get it now. I remember. And it was assumed shock. Remember we had the conversation with Portia about this whole thing? I get it now, I remember. And it was assumed that you did it behind Portia's back

without having, without talking to Portia. But that wasn't true. That didn't happen like that. See, there we go. See, we gotta talk about it. Gotta clear up. That's not how it happened. So actually, you know, this is during the time

Portia was living her African princess life. She was in Yusawwe, she was in Dubai, she was in Nigeria. She wasn't checking for her girls, you know. I was calling her. So on the record I called Portia a bunch of times. To tell her that you were going to work with Dennis. Yes, like why wouldn't I? Dennis had been reaching out for years like come be an ambassador for Niagara.

You know, it was like no, no, no. But because of what I was going through, this is my selfish season, okay? And the music was good, because I was like, Dennis, hot dogs? Music? Like I was confused like everybody else, right? I was, but when he sent my team the music, it was like, this is really good.

Like I need to do this music. That's how it felt for me. So when I was calling her and I was texting her, I have the receipts, I show them every union. I was like, girl, I need to talk to you. Like it's really, really important. Bunch of tech. She won't respond to you girl, like at all. Crickets. So when she did come back and we did talk, we were in the studio, Dennis will be talking to her. And she's like, send me some songs. She's like, Oh, this is my favorite song. This is my favorite song. So I'm like, okay, Portia, you told me he had a conversation. So she's cool We talked two weeks before we started filming and she was like, yes girl. I know we're going through our divorces

We need to get together. I love the music. I was like, okay, because you know, I wanted to make sure like we're all family It's all yes girl. I know like it's all good. Let's hang out a week before we film Oh, sorry didn't come to your birthday party girl, but let's turn up tonight you me and Yandy. Let's go out for drink That was the energy. So we go to Shamia your birthday party, girl. But let's turn up tonight. You, me, and Yandy. Let's go out for a drink. That was the energy. So we go to Shamiah's birthday party. That's why I was so flabbergasted. I had nothing to say. You said it was a different story.

What's that? I said when the cameras came on, it was a different story. Exactly. It was like a light switch. It was like, what? Why didn't Dennis tell her that you didn't get to? He said she knew. Oh, OK. And she never denied it.

But if you notice, when we were at Shemeah's party, it was like, I'm mad at you because you're working with Dennis. Then it switched to, well, you're filming with Dennis. And then it was like a go-naked thing. So I was not clear on why she was upset and what the real beef was. But as you've seen the season,

I just see, you know, the fans are smart. Like shout out to the fans because they're seeing like, no, you know, we kind of catching her up in some lies here. That's not actually how it happened. And it's seeming more like deflection because you can't talk about a certain person. So she chose to talk about me, you know?

Cause she couldn't and she had said that. She couldn't talk about it. You feel like she did it for the cameras. You need a story. But I mean, you need to have things going on in your personal life. Like why is everything about what I got going on? I never understand on this? It's hot though.

I never understand on this. It's hard to watch sometimes because you don't know if it's real shade, if it's real smoke or if it's just a storyline. No, everything I do is real. I came on the show in an Achilles rupture boot. Like I came on the show limping. Like that's not how I would wanna come on.

I wanna come in with my like little batons, you know, and be fabulous and be, and I wanted to show black love and marriage and all the beauty and all that. I didn't wanna show this. So everything that I've shown has just been my real life. I've not ever produced anything or tried to give storyline because I've been working since I was eight years old.

I don't need to put on for cameras. That's not me. Some people may. That's what some people may do. And I feel like in this situation, instead of Portia opening up about her real feelings without talking about that particular person, she didn't need to deflect it

and make me her punching bag. I think that was probably the most hurtful part, because like I'm going through a lot too. Did y'all have a real conversation? Because it made you look crazy to the public at first when she got on there and says, you're supposed to be my friend, but you working with my ex and I had no idea.

Did y'all have a conversation after that? We did. We had a sit down. It didn't go very well. It didn't go very well. Which one are you talking about? Cause Grenada. No, the sit down when she walked out

when we were drinking tea. It escalated. So it wasn't really like true resolve, but yeah, no. It's like Portia is not the person as you have seen that will communicate. You know, she's going to get up and walk away. She's going to cover with all of this happiness, like she got it, and that's not real.

And I just, I think everyone was anticipating her to come back this season and was excited, but ultimately she couldn't deliver on the story that we thought we were getting. You know, we thought we were getting Miss Gawadia, and she couldn't bring that. So you don't think Portia has been delivering this season to what you're saying?

I mean, that's just what I feel. You know, that's my personal opinion is that this wasn't a real beef, so then what are we talking? I mean, that's just what I feel. You know, that's my personal opinion, is that this wasn't a real beef. So then what are we talking about? Let's talk about something real. You get two women together who are strong, who are bosses in their own right, have a conversation. We're not gonna agree on everything,

but we don't need to make this the whole thing we're talking about for the whole season. Me and Dennis? Yeah. The whole season? Aren't y'all tired about that? That's why I hate reality TV though. Aren't y'all tired of hearing about that? That's why in a lot of ways I hate reality TV

because they will monetize your trauma for pain. Like what you might be going through with your divorce or what Portia might be going through is just like, damn, and then if they can't get that, they just wanna pitch y'all against each other? I don't like it. What's the point of doing it? That's how I feel.

Like we're both going through a divorce. We could be talking about that, you know what I mean? It really comes, everything doesn't have to be like a moment. And I think, you know, you see some girls that come on the show and it's just like, I need a moment. Let me just say something to go viral or whatever and it's like, no, just be yourself and I think that's also how I've been able to be on now for four seasons

and that's just what I've learned because it's been a lot of cast shakeups. Like I don't even know how I'm still here because it's been people that are, that were here, been here for a long time and are No longer here, but what I've learned from the OGs that have poured into me is just be yourself You know and the story will tell itself So I just want to the question so you know what her go naked hairline. I literally was about to ask so that's not go

naked hair This right now. Yes. No, this looks good the hair that I'm wearing in the sit down where you saw the bangs, that's, I wore it in real time because when you put it through a one-two edit, how I made it look, it looked great, but in person, y'all saw it, right? That was go-naked there. So are you an ambassador for go-naked?

Big shape. No, no, no, no. You're not an ambassador. No, I have a great vendor, she's melted. We're good. So you don't like go-naked hair, what you saying? I mean, it just didn't work for me per se. When you go to bleach blonde it, it just,

it did something that wasn't right. Would you have said that prior to all this Dennis stuff? Because I thought you were so, it was like a good partnership. It was. And in the beginning of the season, you said you thought you were doing numbers for go-necked. I did do numbers.

I did do numbers, that's why. You just brought up change. Well, I just believe, as black women, we support each other, right? If you're my girl, I'm gonna support you. We have a great work relationship. It was fun, it was fun to work with her at that time. And if that's your friend, you're gonna hold your friend down.

But it was just when all of this started to happen, it just became corny to me. So I'm like, okay, well now since you're gonna drag me, well I'ma speak my truth then. Because the truth is, I had your back, but if you don't have my back, now it's fair game. Let me be honest. You think the show,

no you was saying, all right, let me be honest about this hair it is. Yeah, be honest. Now we, okay. I would rather go naked than to wear that hair again. You think the show would still be interesting if you and Portia weren't beefing, or is tension just part of the paycheck? I mean, I came on the show, let me make it clear,

because I've been an actress since I was literally like in grade school, right? So I made a decision because I was like, you know what, people know me from this role, they may not like me from this role, or that role, or that movie, or whatever. I felt going through COVID, it was just an opportunity to be more vulnerable

and let the fans really get to know me and see me as a mother and a wife and a friend and a sister. Like I'm so many other things and I wanted to show that. And so that was the reason for me joining the show. It wasn't to do anything but just hopefully inspire other people going through what I'm dealing with and connecting that way. So it wasn't to show what is happening.

Like that was opposite of what I wanted to represent on this platform, so I've never subscribed to let's do this for a moment, you know, let's do this for storyline. I actually feel like when we used to watch Housewives and when it was nostalgic was because it was a group of women who were really friends. And when you saw them fall out, it was because

I'm fighting you because I love you and I know you can be better. You can do so much more. So that was where the beefs came and then they were able to resolve and move forward. And I feel like here sometimes they just want to like kill you off, you know? They want to just like go below the belt. It's like, dang, like, do you like me or not? Like what are we building or not? And so that's what I would like to see the show get back to.

And I think this season overall, it was refreshing. It wasn't dark, you know, as some of the fans have said, like they felt like the show was going dark. So I think we're moving towards a more positive place, you know? I agree with that. But so like if you do an interview like now, you know, you were a little shady to the gold-necked hairline. A little. A lot shady, right? But doesn't that kind of put fuel on the fire?

Well, I mean, when you have to wake up and see people dragging you constantly, and I'm the type of person that'll just be like, okay, all right, you know? And after so long, I think now it's like, I got a star standing for me, because for so long I have protected my husband, I have protected my friends. You know, people don't really hear from Drew too much.

I do my job and I go to work. You know, I'm the girl that just works. I have three children, I'm going through a divorce, and whether I'm a housewife or a movie or whatever, I'm just working, but now it's just gotten disrespectful. So it's like, okay, you know, you wanna throw your shade? Okay, well, I'ma speak my truth. And if it's shady, the truth hurts sometimes, I mean.

So you're talking about where, what Portia said you was having sex with somebody, or sleeping with somebody? Yeah, she said so many things. It's like, where do you start? Did she have to take it out? What's the guy's name? The past president. Black?

Oh, well, we were talking about her. Oh, she was dating the past president, but they believed it. But past president, you feelin', yeah. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So you don't see a resolve for you and this girl at all. You don't see Portia, you don't see, at all. No, you said that.

Because you said you wanted to see the show get back to, you know, what that was, what it used to be. Women were able to have their arguments, go through it, talk it out, and then they're cool. You know what I mean? You don't ever see you and Portia, like, you know what? Let's just put all this shit behind us,

because it did get crazy, it did. But. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast, Betrayal. behind us because it did get crazy. It did. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast, Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all, his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes.

He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No. How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done? You're unable to keep track of all your lies, and quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward allegations in the future. This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception, lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew.

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that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into it. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible

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Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today. All right, we're women. We both bosses. We like, you know, see that? I think in certain cases it's hard to come back from certain things and just putting out falsities that's like damaging to my character, to me as a person. You know, I have kids so I just feel like the line has been crossed one too many times. However, I feel like if there's an opportunity

to have a real conversation, and it may not happen on camera, I don't know. Yeah, I mean it off camera. I'm really big on resolution. I'm really big on gaining understanding and moving forward. So if it is an opportunity that presents itself, I would be open to that.

But it hasn't happened, and's a year now, you know? How do you deal with the mental? Because they attack you a lot, right? They attack... They come for you. The Michael Jordan thing, with him being your cousin. Is he your cousin or not? That was clearly a joke.

I'm like, my maiden name is Drew Jordan. But I'm from Chicago, and everybody in Chicago wanted to be related to Michael Jordan. So we actually had the last name Jordan. So we was like, oh yeah, that's right. So you said that growing up. I ain't mad at the other 50's. Yeah, like the whole time.

Like my brother-in-law is Craig Hodges in real life. So going into the games, it's like, where my cousin at? Right? Exactly. A very big legend. Because it's that, I feel like they come for your outfits. They be trying to come for, they come for everything. They be killing your fashion.

That's what I'm saying. So I'm just supposed to take it. Like it's only so much a person can take where it's like, hold on, I'm from Chicago. At the end of the day, now when I start firing, it's like, oh my God, Drew, oh she threw some shade. Oh, that's so me. And it's like, no, this is who I am

and this is what happens when you poke the bear over and over and over again. But no, like my mom is on a Facebook group, the Michael Jordan Family Tree, and it's thousands of people in that chat. She went on air first, says I'm a little girl trying to connect it. I was like, I found a cousin that I think

the nieces could relate it to my friend. My momma wanted to be related. We all want to, so it was clearly a joke. That joke created so many deep dives of trying to figure out your family tree. I can't do nothing right. Oh man. I wanna ask some questions about Juju.

You've been in this game since you were a kid. How do you think Hollywood's perception of you has changed, and how has your own perception of yourself changed? Oh, good. Well, I feel like on the side of the theatrical, TV and film, I'm proud of what I've been able to accomplish. My career, sometimes I don't reflect enough. I'm like, wow, I've been able to work with some amazing

actors and some amazing projects and Tell some amazing stories, but the game is like that's one Project that I just feel like the public perceives me in that way and I can't shake it and it's like what? Yeah, I mean I still see the comments to this day which is saying Okay, this was obviously something really big and a part of the culture. But I did see a hashtag where it was like, hashtag cancel the Drusador hate. And I just want to say, can we do that, please?

Like, at the end of the day, this has gone on too long. Derwin lied to Drusador. Like, did we not all watch the same show? You feel like the hate carried from there? Oh, most definitely. Like, I see the comments. I'm like, wow. And I've met people that's like, oh, I'm mad at you because you broke up

med school. And I'm like, you know, Tia was married, right? You know, pooch like as a whole family. But people were very invested in the show. And I just think that's a perception people have of me, you know, despite all the various roles I played, which is why I did join the show to try to change that narrative. And I think for myself, yes, my perception of self is I have so many things I want to do. I want to do Broadway.

I want to direct. I produced my first film and continue to open the door for other young talent coming up. And so that's where I'm moving into of my contribution stage in life and wanting to really see others win as well in this business. I think the thing with the game was right, everybody else had fictional names, but you really went on there as Drew Sedora. Why was that? Shout out to Mara Brockeale.

Shout out to Mara Brockeale. We just had her up here. Oh my God, I missed you. Oh, yesterday when we played it back in school. Oh, nice. I love that woman. You know, actually, so the story behind that is I booked Girlfriends, I missed. Oh, yesterday, but we played it back. Oh, nice, I love that one. And you know, actually, so the story behind that is I booked Girlfriends, I did an episode of Girlfriends.

And when I went on set, she remembered meeting me, coming to my home, because my sister, Allison, has been my manager since I was like eight years old. And so she came to the house to meet my sister. My sister was a writer on A-Man, Rock, Martin, worked from William Morris Agency, yeah, like OG, right? And so she came to my sister's house to see if she would share her Rolodex because she was moving to Los Angeles to become a producer.

And she's like, Drew, when you were eight, you were running around the house talking about, I'm going to be an actress and a singer. And she's like, and you really stuck with it. And so for that reason, let's talk about some bigger things. So she wrote me in the show, The Game. So that's how it came to be. And it was really like an honor, because I'm like, you gotta be like A-list, right? To play yourself.

So to have the opportunity, I was like, wow, and to showcase my music, I think that was one of the first times that people took notice to me as an actual musical artist. So, Lutha Mara, do you ever feel like people underestimate you in range, because they know you more from Real Housewives now than like your acting career? Yeah.

Or your music career. Honestly, my man. Even on the show, that was the narrative on the show when you first came on the show. They were really playing with your IMDB. Expound on that, man. Yeah, I mean, I think that you get placed in a box, even just let's say African Americans in the arts

as a whole, we get placed in boxes really easily, stereotyped, that exists. And for me, joining the show, wanting to show my real life, now it kind of took away from my actual skill, my passion, which is, you know, music and acting. So for me, it was important to balance it, which is why, you know, on offseason I go to LA and really, you know, you have to get in people's faces and remind them, like, here I I am continuing in my acting classes just to keep showing myself approved because it's always changing it's extremely competitive and I think the industry has changed a lot where it used to be and not in all cases

but it is this now and it exists they look at numbers too so you might be I've had producers directors say you were the better actress but this person had more followers no than you. And so it's a balance now of talent, as well as marketing yourself and being more appealing to buyers. Well, I did it to me. Your music is out.

And I watched, you said that your music was like, your healing when you were going through the divorce because you were in such a dark place. What song on your album was like, when you hear it now, it, you get tearful. It takes you there. It's your favorite.

It's two. Definitely, I did it to me. And Love for a Minute with Ciara. Shout out to Ciara Gates. She came and gate laid like a bar. Little situation. Oh, Ciara? It was very, yeah.

Ciara Gates. I thought you were talking about Russell Wilson, Sierra. Oh, oh girl. You talking about Sierra Gates. Oh, speaking. I mean, I know Sierra was rapping. She was rapping. That's a lot of people don't know she came in, but it's a very emotional record and that

was the record that actually Dennis and I were in the studio and it was like really emotional. He was over there crying about Portia and I was in there having my moment, but it is. It's an emotional record. But I did it to me as very representative of the project because it's about taking accountability. And that's why I love that record because I can sit here and share with you guys all the things that my ex did, right, that weren't right, but it gets tiring after a while

to keep blaming everything on the other person. So for me it's like, no, I played a part. There were things I could have done better if I'm being honest, and so that's what the song is saying. Look in the mirror. It's not easy to do, but you gotta sometimes look at yourself and say, okay, yeah, I made a mistake here, there, and I could have been better

and then grow from that. Do you let him know that? I have, actually. We have had conversations, before we go to court, because when you go to court, that's when everything blows back up, but we have had conversations, you know, before we go to court, because when you go to court, that's when everything blows back up. But we've had conversations where we have stated, you know, we understand our differences now. And I can say, well, I could have done this better.

And he has said it, you know, and apologize in some areas. And yeah, like we're humans, and just being more gentle with ourselves and just forgiving each other doesn't erase everything and every pain that we cause. But yeah, we can be honest and say, you know, I wasn't perfect.

I can say that. Now you've been in the business since a child, right? Yeah. What's the most cutthroat part? Is it Hollywood, is it reality TV, or the music? Oh, that's a hard one. Oh man. I mean, I've been able to have a consistent career

like with acting, even though joining the reality show to what you were saying, Charlamagne, like I've been able to have a consistent career like with acting even though joining the reality show to what you were saying So I mean like I've been able to now create a space where I did like five movies, you know last year And I'm very proud of that. So I feel like the acting world has allowed me back in you know so Reality or music I feel like music cuz I'm still trying to knock down this wall You know box because they look at your reality TV star and it's taking your talent, because you can sing. So it's taking that talent away. Yeah, it does.

And it's a constant proving, which is fine. Like I never get to a point where I feel like entitled or like I should have certain things. I feel like it's important to keep working on your craft and just do the work, put your head down and do the work. So that way when the opportunity comes, you know, I'm prepared. And that's just really what I've been doing.

So even though I haven't knocked down that door, I feel like having a project out is monumental for me. Doing as well as it's doing almost gold in streams, which is unbelievable to me, without like a lot of marketing. It's just really grassroots word of mouth. And now getting out there and performing is next for me. So I'm just still on that journey of like really making it happen for myself and music.

But was there ever a moment where you felt like reality TV saved you? And was there ever a time where you felt like it broke you? Yeah, I would definitely say, because people try to say, okay, reality TV breaks up a lot of marriages and things like that. I can't say I blame my fallout of my marriage on it. I feel like what it did do was escalate it

and put a magnifying glass. And it also held us accountable because you know, you can fight with your spouse and be like, okay, you know what, I'm not even gonna say nothing. We just gonna roll past this. We're gonna put a bandaid or or we gonna talk about it in private, or not talk about it at all. But when you do it on cameras,

now you gotta talk about it, and you have to go into counseling, and they really hold you accountable. So I think for us, it made us more responsible and understanding like this probably isn't meant to be. So I think it saved me from dedicating my life to 20 years in this marriage, and then it being over. We both have said that. We believe that it wouldn't have lasted. Really? Yeah. So I

think in that regard it did save me, you know, to be able to get to this place and I'm my person because I think my person is still out there. You know, I'm not jaded or bitter. And then did it break me? Oh yeah. Because I mean this was my biggest storm. Like depression is real, mental health is real. Like you never know your breaking points. And I can honestly say, like, I reached that. I completely lost myself. I lost my voice in this marriage. And having it play out on national TV, it was overwhelming.

It was overwhelming because you're living it a few times. You're filming it and then you're watching it. That's like. You relive in that trauma. Can you imagine that? We relive it in our head. And embarrassment because usually if there's a problem in your marriage it's at home,

but now the whole world has an opinion. The whole world is leaving a comment and they don't know what's true or what's not, but they just have an opinion. And every time I watch your interviews, you're breaking down in the interviews every single time. And I'm wondering, like, why put more stuff out there like Michael B. Jordan?

Have you spoke to him since the Carlos King interview? Oh my God. That was a question. You like Michael Jordan. That was a big, I'm like, whoa. What happened with Michael B. Jordan? So in Carlos King's interview, Carlos King asked her who's one of the most famous people she's dated.

And she mentioned that she used to date Michael B. Jordan back in the day. And that was everywhere. I'm like, whoa, she just be volunteering to info. Well I get asked a question I am. Did you hit? No. No. No. No. No. No. Not even a little bit. You know I'm an open book and I just try to always remain that way because I think it's important to talk about your life and open up. I make that choice. I made that choice when I joined reality tv because I feel like it's important for people to see you as a human being, you know, and I feel like other people can see you as a real person and know, okay,

you know, everything's not perfect in my world. I may over speak or say too much or shade or whatever, but this is who I am and I'm unapologetically me. But yeah, I was asked the question so I answered it and he asked me on a date to attend the NAACP Awards. It was probably like 2006, when he was still on the soap operas. And I met his mom and stuff. It was cool, we went out on a couple of days, there was no intimacy on the record.

But still, he was a very, very sweet guy, very, very sweet, and he's been super successful. But yeah, that's my truth, and it happened. It happened, you know? This is my last question. With all the healing that you've gotten, right? And what you know now, if you could go back and whisper something to yourself

during the hardest moment of your marriage, what would you say? The hardest part of my marriage, I think, it was a couple of things, but for sure, Ralph moving out of the bedroom, you know, that it felt like abandonment. You know what I mean? It's different to like go sleep separately

and just, but him making the decision to move out instead of fighting, because people don't stay married forever without waking up every day and choosing each other. So when the person wakes up and doesn't choose you, yeah. Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Thank you. Keep growing, Drew. Let's get into your single.

We're gonna play your single right now. What you wanna hear? I know, right? I was like, let's wake it up. Let's wake it up, it's early. After you go through all the heartache and pain You know, you got to get outside and so good girl bad bitch is uh My next single good girl bad bitch. Yeah

It is it's my outside record and that's what the album is you know you may cry and fall in love or out of love when you're listening to my album and this particular song is one that's empowering and getting outside with your girls and just living, you know? All right, well, let's get to it. It's Drew Sedora. Yes. It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning. Wake that ass up.

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