The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Dr.Jill Stein & Dr.Butch Ware On Running As Green Party Candidates, Trump Vs Kamala, Israel Gaza War

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Dr.Jill Stein & Dr.Butch Ware To Discuss Running As Green Party Candidates, Trump Vs Kamala, And Israel Gaza War. Listen For More!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we have our sister Angela Rye with us this morning, helping us out. And we got some special guests joining us. We have Dr. Jill Stein. Welcome. Hello. And Dr. Butch Ware. Good morning. Yes sir. Good morning. We're in the building. Y'all are the Green Party presidential candidate and running mate. Tell the people what is the Green Party and how are they different from the Democrats and the Republicans? Well for one thing we don't take money from billionaires and bankers and APAC and Wall Street and the war machine. So we're a people-powered party. That's what makes us totally different. That's what liberates us to actually tell it like it is and to stand up and fight for the people,

for the health care that we need, as a human right, for the housing that we need, because half of America right now, half of all renters are struggling to keep a roof over their heads. That's not a surprise, I'm sure, to the listeners on this program. You know, 87 million people don't have the health care that we need. Our schools are in crisis. We've got 44 million people carrying student debt. And, you know, a climate crisis. Yet, we're spending half of our congressional dollars on the endless war machine, bringing us the likes of the genocide in Gaza and beyond. We got three nuclear wars in the making right now, yet we have such urgent and dire needs,

especially among communities of color and African Americans. We've got really critical needs that we need to be meeting. And that's what the Green Party is about, actually fighting for people, planet, and peace over profit. What would you say to people that feel like the Green Party is really taking votes away from Democrats and it's a disruptor. A lot of people, especially a lot of older people, when you talk about other parties outside of Republican and Democrats, they say all they're doing is being disruptive. They're just taking the votes away from other parties.

What are your thoughts on that? So that's kind of the propaganda of the power machine that wants you to stay in your place, basically, and to think that resistance is futile and think that you don't own your vote. I mean, who owns your vote? Politicians have to earn your vote. They don't own it. And that's the question. Are they earning your vote?

You know, when you actually look at our condition, people are facing a crisis, really, in every dimension of our lives. And it's not getting better, yet our resources are being squandered. 68% of Americans want an immediate ceasefire and an end to the genocide. 68%. Yet you can hardly get a single vote on that behalf in Congress, and you're getting a standing ovation per minute for that war criminal, Netanyahu, who is carrying out this genocide, which could be

ended with a simple phone call from the president, just like Reagan did, just like Eisenhower did before him. The U.S. is in charge. This is our genocide going on right now. And don't let them talk you into voting for genocide. If you vote for genocide, you're endorsing it, you're enabling it. We can stop it. We actually have the power.

And I'll just quote two people, Frederick Douglass, who said power concedes nothing without a demand. The empire is trying to talk you out of your demand right now. But we have that demand. We have the numbers to make the demand. We've got the solutions. We've got a system. We have an analysis, which actually works. And we've got to stand up and make that demand. They're trying to shame you and blame you out of making that demand that belongs to us. Our vote is our power in a democracy. Don't let them talk you out of it. And the second thing is Alice Walker, the novelist and poet, who said the biggest way people give up power is by not knowing we have it to start with. We got the power if you look at the numbers, if you look at the values,

if you look at the solutions that are out there. They're out there really waiting for us to stand up and demand them. And if we don't, you know, that's at our peril. It's not just that we're making a mess out of the world. You know, we've committed some like 80 regime change operations since the Second World War. What's going on in Gaza is like a microcosm. It's like a symbol of empire and colonialism kind of run amok. But it's not the only place. You know, I mean, we've been rolling out slow motion genocides all over the world for quite some time.

And, you know, this is catching up to us. We are no longer the dominant power around the world. Power is shifting. We need to shift with it. We can no longer be giving marching orders to the rest of the world. We need to stand up like an adult and be part of a global community and a shared power structure. And if you can just tag me in right here, Jill, I'll go back to the first question, right? How is it different? So when I was evaluating, got caught onto the ticket three

weeks ago, okay? And I had done an Instagram live with Dr. Jill Stein, and I asked her a couple of questions. I had just posted a reel where Kamala Harris had been asked about reparations. Kamala Harris. Okay, Kamala Harris had posted a reel about reparations. I posted a reel where she was talking about it. And she was asked

and she sort of went around for about 90 seconds and then she ended by saying, I will never do anything that only helps black people. In other words, it was a rising tide, lift all boats,

we're going to have social policies and stuff that helps black folks by default. So I asked Dr. Jill in the interview, what's your position on reparations? And she said, they behave as though it's incalculable, but it has been calculated by specialists many times. It's between 10 and 13 trillion dollars U.S., and I'm in favor of payments, cash payments to the descendants of the enslaved. So let's have my attention with that, right? The second point is, I said, well, we know that you have been at the forefront of the enslaved. So let's have my attention with that, right? The second point is I said, well, we know that you have been at the forefront of the struggle for Palestinian liberation,

and as an anti-Zionist Jewish white woman, that is a powerful statement, especially seeing you get arrested at pro-Palestine rally. So I know where you stand on Gaza. And we wouldn't be talking if you didn't stand in that place. This was before I was on the ticket. I said, what's your overall vision of foreign policy? And she said, to dismantle the American empire. And I said, yeah, and you better hurry up quick and do it before somebody do it for you, right? That those two processes look very different. If you take the trillion dollars a year that are being thrown away, murdering other people's children in foreign

countries, and instead put that into investments in infrastructure into social housing into health care in this country then that looks like a flourishing prosperous future not just for black america but for all of america right whereas if you continue um to torment humanity with the the most brutal imperialist state ever to exist in human history that we're coming up on a 9-11 memorial right jill and i are going to do something on march in detroit well what did malcolm say about chickens coming home to roost if we keep exporting this violence all over the globe then it is going to keep coming right back here to our homes and that's something that doesn't just concern black and brown folk that's something that concern all folk last thing that i'll say on this you know in response to your to your question

um dj envy i would you know one version of that that we get of that question you know regularly is like well you're throwing your vote away you know right that's the other version of it okay and the thing is is in this broke electoral college and by the way the green party stands for abolishing the electoral college okay and so that hangover from slavery and bringing in ranked-choice voting in all voting systems so that you're not putting people on opposite sides where they bang on each other right the real criminal red and blue is not the Honorable Street organizations like the Bloods and the Crips the real criminal gangs red and blue are the Democrats and Republicans

and right now they're being encouraged to bang on each other in public if you in the Crips. The real criminal gangs, red and blue, are the Democrats and Republicans. And right now they're being encouraged to bang on each other in public. If you have ranked choice voting, then people are going to be drawn to the middle rather than drawn to extremes. But let's go back to the question about throwing your vote away. In this electoral college system, all y'all throwing your votes away. Because unless you live in one of them four or five swing states, it is already decided that your state is going to go either blue or red before you ever get into the booth. So instead of throwing your vote away on Team Red or Team Blue when it don't make no difference in the state that you in, why not vote for reparations now? Why not vote for in a Green Party that is going to give people an actual viable third party alternative so that we can get these thugs on either side of the aisle to behave like grown folk?

Well, so you raise an interesting point around throwing your vote away. And there's actually numbers on that. Dr. Stein, you raised over seven point three million dollars for a recount in 2016, a recount of votes that probably actually do matter. In Michigan, for example, you acquired 51,463 votes. Of course, Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton by 10,704 votes, and she lost by half a percentage point in Michigan. In Wisconsin, 31,006 votes. You acquired Trump beat Hillary Clinton by twenty two thousand one hundred and seventy seven votes in Pennsylvania.

Forty nine thousand four hundred eighty five votes. And Donald Trump beat her by a little over sixty seven thousand votes. You engaged in raising money for a recount because our votes actually do matter. Can you talk about the results of that recount in those three states that I just named? Sure. And let me say that every vote counts, you know, and we believe because every vote counts, that's why we don't want the Electoral College telling us that some states matter and others don't. And in terms of how we are conducting our campaign, we're in swing states, we're in red states, we're in blue states. We are all about building power and really helping to help people to grab the power that that belongs to us.

The fallacy there, which is what, you know, the Democrats in particular harp on. And it's not true. The idea that votes for Greens came at the expense of votes for Hillary Clinton. We actually know from, in fact, from exit polls and just from talking to people, people who vote for us, and it's about 61 percent of everybody who votes for us, would not have come out to vote. So those votes didn't come from Hillary Clinton. And some of them actually came from Trump, too. So if you actually crunch the numbers, what you see is that the outcome would not have changed at all if we weren't in there. Yes. No electoral college vote would have changed. Would have changed.

Exactly. None. If you calculate the facts, 60%, 61% of our votes would not have voted. One bit. And of the remaining. I would love to do that calculation, but the only thing is that's an exit. I'd be glad to share it with you. No, I'm not.

I actually am a lawyer because I don't do math like that. But what I will say is we don't really know that. Like folks come in, and you all know this too, from Ralph Nader to you, folks will say that they're going to vote for you. Ralph Nader, who was one of about six third-party candidates in that election. But you don't know what my point was going to be. All right, go ahead. It was just going to be that folks will say,

and it's happened to Hillary Clinton, it's happened to Kamala Harris, it's happened to Donald Trump, folks will say in a poll that they were going to vote or they are going to vote for this person. That's true. You never know. But we also know that one out of every three voters

did not vote in the last presidential election in 2020. One out of every three eligible voters chose not to vote. And who were they? They were largely disproportionately of color, young, and low income. Exactly the people to whom our agenda speaks. So, you know, a lot about voting is indeterminate, and it's not going to be predicted by polls, because polls, you know, are by definition people who tend to vote. But what we're talking to are people who tend not to vote. Don't they also deserve a vote? And let me also cite the statistics that show the numbers are off the charts right now in terms of people who want other options.

This is sampled every year by Gallup and also by Pew. But Gallup shows that the numbers now are 63 percent who are saying that the two parties, the two parties are doing such a bad job of serving the public interest that 63 percent say we need another option. We need another major party. So it's like amidst all this indeterminate stuff. And you're absolutely right, you can't predict a lot of this. Are we going to clamp down and say, therefore shut down choices, therefore shut down options when that's what people are demanding? And why are people demanding it? Because they've been thrown under the bus for long enough by both parties, and they really want other options. So what we're saying is let's give people those other options.

If you're concerned about splitting the vote, so-called spoiled elections, there's a solution for that. It's called rank choice voting. We have been pushing that for 20 years and the Democrats keep shutting it down. Why do they shut it down? Because they want to extort your vote. They want to be able to use fear campaigning and smear campaigning because they don't want to face the music. Oh, it's hardly a new charge. No, we can document that. I I also just jump in? I know the question wasn't addressed to me. No, of course. We all are a team. I just wanted to add a piece to it. And this has come since I joined the campaign, reached out to colleagues. Dahlia Mugahed, a key researcher at ISPU, Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.

So these are publicly available numbers. And this goes to the heart of the question that you asked about previous elections, but it's about this upcoming one. And then it's about like where we actually are. So key swing states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Georgia. Okay. These are all for demographic purposes, essentially the same state, similar proportion of African-Americans, similar proportion of Muslims. There's little differences in the way that they're comprised, but specifically for the Muslim and black populations, these are very similar states.

So in 2020, Joe Biden received 65% of the Muslim vote in those states, and Joe Biden would not have won any of those states without getting that big majority amongst the Muslim vote, okay? January 2024, 12 percent of the vote, according to polling. According to polling. Yes.

From 65 percent to 12 percent. OK. And the polling says, well, why Gaza? Right. So 80 percent of the people that have bailed said that Gaza is the reason, even if that's for people that were Trump voters, that's for people that were Biden voters. The Muslim community has already been lost and it's not coming back.

And the thing is, is that in those swing states, you are never getting the Muslim vote back, which means in point of fact, if we know this, then the Democrats have for sure known this. They are not winning any of those swing states without those Muslim voters. You don't think they're going to show up in November? Impossible. Dead man walking, bro. Like, I'm serious. It is a zombie. Well, they will show, but right now they're looking like they're going to be voting for us. Yeah, so that's the point. You said for you all, you all are going to get Muslim votes.

So that's what they're showing is that it's upwards of 70% of those that are walking away from the Democratic Party are walking towards third party candidates. So in point of fact, only about 5%, 8%. There were two different numbers from two different points in time that Dahlia had cited. So it's somewhere between 5% and 10% are going towards Trump. It's a very small number. A very small number are remaining uncommitted. The overwhelming majority are going third party.

And this was before it became clear, right, that the Green Party was going to be the strongest of those three parties. So then another poll run by the Council on American Islamic Relations, CARE, showed just last week that in the Muslim community nationwide now, now not just talking about those three swing states, but nationwide, had us polling neck and neck with Kamala Harris. And actually, a new poll was just released that came out this morning. I didn't get the chance to verify it, see whether it's a scientific poll or not, that we're now leading in that race. You guys are saying that you're competing in red states and battleground states.

I'm sorry, y'all. Y'all jumped in too, but it just... No, this is a dope interaction, so let's keep going. You know what I'm saying? There are at least 13 states where you all are not on the ballot. Folks would have to write you in, or it's still contested. You're actively petitioning, for example, to be on the ballot in Rhode Island. So in those states where there are also Muslim people who you're saying you're winning over

based on a poll that you're going to find the information for, what options do they have? If this is a 50-state strategy, y'all are short by 13. So in every state except for three, there are three states that don't allow write-in campaigns. But write-ins are doable campaigns. Joe Biden himself won a write-in campaigns. But write-ins are doable campaigns. Joe Biden himself won a write-in in New Hampshire because he was not in the primary for various reasons. Yeah, right. But even so,

even in a primary, he ran a write-in campaign and did fabulous. So having the ability to do a write-in, if the community is really motivated and the people who- In Wyoming, North Dakota, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois. But in the overwhelming majority of states, we are actually on the ballot. We will be on his write-ins in all the states with the exception of, I think it's South Dakota. Indiana and Oklahoma. That's right, those three states.

But we are on the ballot, not write-ins. Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Well, so we will be a choice, an anti-genocide, anti-war, pro-worker, pro-reparations, climate emergency choice, and the only one which has nationwide status. We will be on the ballot for 95% of voters. That is more than enough to win an election. But, you know, I don't want to just focus on winning the election. This is an odd election, and I would not rule out a win, but that's not the only reason to run.

Every vote cast for our campaign is a vote against genocide. It is a shot across the bow of the endless war machine to say that we, the people, are getting organized. We are moving forward. We are growing. We have organization and infrastructure that we have never had before. We've never been able to break through like we are now because Greens have been ahead of the curve on a lot of things like climate change, on reparations, on health care as a human right, on housing as a human right, also on Gaza and genocide. We've been very much ahead of the

curve. And on cutting the military budget. We're spending as much as the next 10 major military budgets around the world right now. We're more than all 10 of them put together. We can cut our military budget, which is not benefiting us here in America, and put those dollars into what we critically need right here and right now. We should have, we need to be raising the floor for schools across the country. Why should this quality of your school depend on luxury housing in your community? Housing should, schools should not depend only on property taxes from housing. The federal government should be in the business of raising the floor so that we have a common standard across the country. So regardless of your zip code, you have good, high-quality education where you're starting out. Things like that is where we need to be spending our money, not on endless war, on genocide, on killing children, on massacring women and children every day.

You know, the police violence in this country, we don't need that police violence. And there are alternatives to that that can actually move us forward. Yeah, go ahead. You were a candidate in 2012, 2016. Right. What's the difference in 2024? Oh, man, it's the difference between night and day. You know, it's the thing about being ahead of the curve and then the curve catches up to you.

Curve is catching up to us on all the things, really our agenda. In fact, the agenda that we've been putting forward since 2012 really is the progressive democratic agenda right now. Health care is a human right. Housing is a human right. Reparations to the extent that they give it lip service, the Green New Deal. Sounds like what you want to happen if you're not planning to win an election. Who said we weren't planning to win? No, no, I'm saying it's not the only. Exactly.

Okay, so it's hard to understand. As a candidate, to hear that from a candidate, it kind of gives like, well, why are you here then? It does sound like you're on the team. No, no, no. May I go in on this, please? Because I would not have joined this campaign. I would not have come out of, like, you know,

prestigious position in the academy and organizing if I didn't think that we had a chance to win this fight. Look, I'm converted to Islam after reading the autobiography of Malcolm X at age 15. Malcolm brought me into knowledge of self, brought me to Islam, schooled me on the black radical tradition. I've been teaching and building this community. I speak fluent Wolof, lived in West Africa for years. I got a good life and I'm

not coming out of that in order to play no spoiler. So I was raised in that black Muslim tradition. And just like Muhammad Ali, I came in because I believe we have a chance to shock the world. And I know that the deck is stacked against us, but this right here is part of our strategy, right? Because what happens is, is that when people hear this agenda and understand that we're talking about erasing the generational wealth gap now, right? Having a bunch of black Wall Streets and new Tulsa's

that we can establish now, not another hundred years, not going with your hands out to the Democrats, like Malcolm said, where they treat you like a political chump. You put them first, they put you last, as Malcolm said, where they treat you like a political chump. You put them first. They put you last, as Malcolm said. We erase that in this generation. We build black businesses, black Wall Street, and they can't burn it down this time.

So by appearing in a forum like this, what is going to happen is we're going to get on a debate stage. And when this woman goes up on a debate stage, exactly. Well, who knows? But the point is, is that as soon as we are in the mainstream media conversation. Exactly. We have a watch party tonight. You guys have a response. We will be doing a response. We did not meet the qualifications for a. Incorrect. Incorrect.

The qualifications established by a an exclusionary framework whose goal is to silence and throw off the ballot. That's what it is. I think it's a 15% threshold for you to be polling at at least 15%. Well, before that, there wasn't a 15% threshold. That's very consistent. When it was run by the League of Women Voters, before it was hijacked by the private corporations of the Democratic and Republican parties, before they were in charge, it was whether or not you actually were going to be a choice for enough voters across the country that you could potentially win the election. So we have satisfied that criterion, the basic criteria. I mean, as a voter, because polls are self-fulfilling.

They are self-fulfilling prophecies. If you're in the poll, as determined by whatever private polling agency, if you are in the polls, people are going to know about you. If you're not even being polled, people won't know. They do not predict outcomes. They produce them. And if people are saying, if people are screaming for other choices, don't they have a right to hear those other choices? I think they do. But I think that what you're what you have are people that need a certain level of validity to the campaign. I will. You will not hear Donald Trump or Kamala Harris tonight on this debate stage saying, hey, it's not just about us winning.

Winning is everything. And even if we want to say, hey, this shouldn't be a binary choice. I grew up also raised by an activist. My dad brought home the picture of all of the parties in South Africa. A multi-party democracy is great. That's not what we have. We have a binary choice between. Well, you may say so, but... It's not in the Constitution.

The American people don't want that. The American people are explicitly on records in absolutely unprecedented numbers saying we want other choices. And not only do people want other choices, they want to hear their choices. I do believe in a third party. I think we

need other options. But it does seem like you all have a lot more smoke for the Democratic Party. I just wonder why. Yeah. So if I if I can jump in on that particular point. So so to kind of finish the previous one, I absolutely would not be in this race if I didn't think that we had a chance to win. I wouldn't waste y'all's time and I wouldn't waste my own time. So that's that's that's number one. We have had to, up until this point in time, target the Democrats specifically because they're the ones that are suing to keep us off the ballot. They're the ones that are trying to knock us off the ballot in Georgia. They are the ones that are doing everything they can to keep us from coming.

If we were not a problem for them, AOC wouldn't be doing her little sorry attack ads against us that we came back at. So the Democrats are attacking us. We're responding in kind. Just to be plain about this, the reason why they don't want Dr. Jill Stein on a debate stage is because she will be able to look at Team Red and say this is a party that is led by a domestic terrorist and a criminal,

tried to overthrow the government on January 6th, and is convicted of numerous crimes, including sexual abuse that amounts to rape and so forth. So this man is a domestic terrorist and a criminal, okay? She can look to Kamala Harris. Kamala. Sorry. Come on.

Come on, my brother. Hold on. No, it's honest to God, no disrespect, to be perfectly honest. It's just the way that I had gotten used to pronouncing the name because it resembles a name that is used in West Africa that is not pronounced in the Latin. But you understand the point of getting it right though. Absolutely.

Yeah, you have to. The brother on the team with the other, you gotta. Absolutely, I will not make that mistake again. I'm begging you. I love seeing black men get jumped by black women. No, no, hold on, hold on. It's not me. Listen, no, no, listen, listen.

Baby, my edges just got stuck. It's just triggering. It's just triggering. It's triggering. Listen, listen, richly deserved. And if I act a fool, check my just triggering. It's triggering. Listen, richly deserved. And if I act a fool, check my black ass. That's fine. Like, no joke.

Like, I expect to be held accountable by my people, whether those are black folk or Muslims. So that is all love and it is all welcome. You're not going to get no pushback from me on that. So where was I? She will turn to Kamala, okay, and be able to say this person is actually a war criminal in the following respect. The ICC and ICJ have made rulings that the Zionist entity, the state of Israel, is an illegal apartheid state, okay, conducting an illegal genocide in the midst of an illegal occupation, and that anyone that provides material support to those things

is actually complicit in war crimes. So you will say that there's a domestic terrorist on Team Red and a war criminal on Team Blue. One party on this stage is not led by a criminal. One party on this stage wants to restore power to the American people, give a viable third party alternative. And just to return to the point, yes, I do want that shot at their chin. And I'm coming for Trump. Like I've already got my game plan laid out for Trump. You know, Trump thinks he can do nicknames. I already tagged AOC Pelosi, right? And the reels have already started with that. So I'm coming for Trump. But the reality

is, is that we have had to get the Democrats out of the way because they're trying to keep us off of ballots. Yes. When you. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Lauren. When you talk about AOC, though, it sounds like you have issues with her, right? Yeah. Her whole thing is like you guys, according to what she's saying, that it doesn't add city council seats, state electives, and down ballot candidates. She's wrong. 1,500?

Have you seen the flyer? 1,500 from Steve. Yeah, because you're here for the people. Her point was that we're not growing, we're not running for lower office, and that we disappear except every four years we come out for president. Those were her claims, and they are absolutely false and misleading. She should know better because she was actually campaigning for a local green in 2017. She said as much.

She ought to know better. No, what she talked about was the Working Families Party, but that is not a third party. It is a second. What she mentioned was the Working Families Party, her third party. And what that does, that is a second ballot line. It's not a third party. It's a second ballot line for the Democrats. And it runs people who are already Democrats or they're independent on their way to becoming Democrats.

And the main thing about Working Families versus true independent, non-corporate political grassroots parties, we are under attack by the Democrats in particular. And that's what, you know, it's the Democrats. It's not the Republicans. It's the Democrats who bragged starting back in March that they now had an army of lawyers to basically exercise lawfare, looking for trivial details where they could do a gotcha and get us thrown off the ballot, violating the spirit of the law to basically eliminate their competition. They have also advertised publicly for infiltrators and spies to mess up our ballot drives. And they also hijacked our public funding, $300,000. I know it's not a lot in the scheme of what Democrats

and Republicans run on, but we are a grassroots, people-powered, low-budget party. That public funding meant a lot. And that's part of the reason why we're not on in three states. I just have a question. I would want all y'all to chime in on this. Is it fair to call the vice president a war criminal when she's actively calling for an end to the war in Gaza and she's just the vice president? Well, it's lip service. You know, I mean, she could. What James Baldwin would say, I can't believe what you say because I see what you do. You have the power to influence policy now.

She's the vice president. I mean, to your point. But she could at least speak out. She could speak out. But she is. No. She speaks out in the same way that Biden does. The convention where they wouldn't let Palestinians on the stage, we're talking about the same convention.

Not a single one. Where they held them off, where they slaughtered them like animals in Gaza, and then they muzzled them like animals at the Democratic National Convention. Even when they are faithful supporters of the party and of their candidates, they still would not allow a single Palestinian to get up and talk about, just to humanize Palestinians. So it means nothing to call for the end of the war? Well, Biden is already doing that. He's already doing that. And Kamala Harris, you know, spoke a little more from the heart about the plight of the Palestinians, but not any different whatsoever about what to do.

Basically, she said that, you know, our support for Israel is undying. It's, you know, it's an absolute, we will stand by Israel no matter what, come hell or high water. Because both parties are bought and paid for by AIPAC and the war machine. So that's the thing. Their souls are folded on tiny little pieces of paper that are buried deep in the pockets of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and AIPAC. I'm not even playing with you. And let me just say this, because I don't know if I'm going to get the chance to say this in another venue where it will matter this much.

As a historian of anti-slavery resistance movements in West Africa and the diaspora, as a historian of the black resistance tradition in continental as well as diasporic Africa, I am personally offended by the way that blackness is being weaponized in this electoral cycle in order to justify white supremacist genocide in Gaza. Expound. Okay. So, so Malcolm X, my mentor, and I didn't meet him, but read the autobiography of Malcolm X. Malcolm said of Zionism, of the Zionist state, the Israeli state, he said that this is a white Jewish population, Ashkenazi population being given power by white imperialists to remove brown Arabs from their land.

He said, so therefore, Zionism is white supremacy. In 1979, open letter to the born again, James Baldwin said the same thing. He said the state of Israel was not created for the salvation of the Jews. It was created for the salvation of Western interests. Okay. So when you go through Kwame Ture, Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Toni Morrison, Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, these are all people that cited the Palestinian resistance movement, not even to bring in the Africans, right? Not to mention Nelson Mandela, not to mention Thomas Sankara, who talked about Zionism as being the face of imperialism in the Middle East, right? This is what the black radical tradition taught me. And the black radical tradition taught me that if we weaponize our blackness in favor of white supremacy, then we

become apostates from blackness itself, because blackness is not a race. It is an oppositional ideology to white supremacy. I'm a historian of Africa by training. Never before in human history had people speaking hundreds of different languages made themselves into one people, developed a common culture so that you and I can relate to one another. You and I can relate to one another on the basis of a shared culture. And we got our Latin and Caribbean brothers and sisters, especially Puerto, especially Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, but hey, but also, you know, more broadly, right? They share in that culture. That is a miracle. It's never happened before in

human history. Because what happened is, is that an oppositional identity to white supremacy came into being. And that is us. And when I see that identity now being weaponized to justify the most heinous genocide in our time, like Harriet Tubman is rolling over in her grave right now. Sojourner Truth is rolling over in her grave right now. Bell Hooks is rolling over in her grave right now. Who did I miss? Do you know what I'm saying? the idea that we would weaponize something as sacred as black womanhood and then utilize this to justify blowing up palestinian ways no you tell me no you tell me no you hear what i'm saying because i want to make sure i clarify before i respond to it is that because kamala is a black woman and she's running as a black woman

and she's not speaking out against things that you want her to. She's using her black womanhood to... No, I think... So what I saw is I saw a lot of black abolitionists of both sexes, of all gender identities. I saw a lot of black abolitionists going hard in the paint at Joe Biden, right? And then as soon as Kamala was at the top of the ticket, radio silence.

All of a sudden, people that you could count on that were solid through and through as abolitionists suddenly become apologists for empire. Have you thought about why? Yes, of course I've thought about why. Why is that? The reason is, is that we have this aspirational hope that is related to like black achievement and black power and black excellence and it was weaponized in the obama presidency but so let's so let me could it be something else please educate me could it be i know her yes could it be that she is someone who listens to voices on all sides could it be that when the opportunity you can turn your head but i've been in the room you could turn your head but i've been in the room dr where don't be disrespectful dr where you're not no no i was i was not i was. No, no. I was not. You might have just been feeling the spirit, but I'm just saying I've been in the room.

I was actually not turning my back. I was looking to see what the response on the other side of the room was. We was over here engaged. Yeah, no, because I can't see. I can't see the people that are behind me. So no disrespect, Angela. We're all having healthy conversations, by the way. Nobody's against anybody.

I agree. No, no, no. I ain't never turning my back on Angela Rye ever again. This is part of the strategy. Let Ms. Rye finish her thought. It's part of the strategy. Because the last thing that I need, the last thing that I need is this sister making me an enemy. No, no, you're not an enemy.

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Why are you doing that? Because it's part of the strategy. I knew you was kind of getting your way to this and it's very disappointing to see you do that and then say you... What are we missing? What are you talking about?

I would definitely like to hear. Could it be that someone who... You're getting a little nervous. I understand, brother. No, I'm straight. Happens to me all the time. No, I just had to like... What? I thought that might be true.

You know what I'm saying? You're okay. All right, all right. I can't help you. You don't need to be protective for me. My words are not weapons. And actually, it's just really to dispel some of the myths. I think that since you all believe in polls a lot more than I do,

there are a lot of folks that are saying that they still are trying to get to know Kamala Harris, even clearly how to pronounce her name. So what I would say is it could be that they've seen an opportunity for negotiation, for hearing another perspective. I've been in the rooms with her on justice reform issues and others help to convene those rooms where she's been more open because what we do know about how politics works

is that it can't just be this wish agenda. I love a lot of what you all have on your agenda. I'll call it the after seven ready or not agenda. I'll give you the sun, the rain, the moon, the stars, the mountains. But there's really a- Wait, who called it a wish list? You mean the same people that spent a trillion dollars of y'all's money blowing up other people's kids are saying it's a wish list to have an actual social program i think i'm sorry

it's not propaganda i'm saying it because it's i've worked on capitol hill it's very difficult to get what you're trying to achieve so just for example jill jill can talk about what you can do just from the executive office yes ma'am thank you Just for an example, I'd love to know how many members, how many voting members in the United States House of Representatives. So we have been blocked. The Democrats throw us off the ballot. They interfere. They put spies and infiltrators on our campaign. How many voting members? Compare us. No, no, no, no, no, no. Answer the question.

How many voting members in the United States House of Representatives, Republican, Democrat and Independent? How many total? How many total are there? What is it? Six hundred some? No, it's four hundred and thirty five. Plus a hundred in the Senate, right?

A hundred. A hundred. Yes, I said House of Representatives. A hundred in the Senate. Of those four hundred and thirty five in the House, of the hundred in the Senate, right? 100. Yes, I said House of Representatives. 100 in the Senate. Of those 435 in the House, of the 100 in the Senate, how many? Just one moment. I'm not trying to put you on the defense. I'm just saying this because the Hill is my passion.

That's why I grew up as a professional, right? How many of them are Green Party members? Okay, I know where you're going with this. No, I'm not going anywhere. You are attempting to show that the Greens are powerless. I want to make the point that one out of every... Well, this is usually part of that

argument. What was the point you were trying to make, Angela? What was the point? Before you rebuttal Dr. Stein, what was the point? I want to know how many voting members of the Green Party in the House or the Senate currently exist. Currently there are none. However, if you look at the American people,

how many are voting against the genocide? Hardly any. How many are voting for health care as a human right, which would actually save us half a trillion dollars a year? We, the people, are not represented. So not being there is not a strike against the Green Party. Okay, and that's fine. How many of them right now,. Okay, and that's fine.

How many of them right now, based on, and I called it a wish list, it wasn't to be offensive, is I have a wish list too, I got one in the ideal man I want to. It's dismissive to refer to a party party as a wish list. What I'm saying is, it's not dismissive, hear my heart, right? I heard your heart on the mispronouncing of Kamala. Hear my heart. All right. Because there are none that currently exist, that means you've got to have allies. Who are your allies in the House and Senate?

Excellent question. See, if y'all would have just slowed down a minute, y'all had guns blazing. I told you it was a healthy conversation. Right? Like, come on. We got to do basic math. Child, please, let them finish.

He wasn't talking to me when he said that. But how many who are the allies? Can you name some of your allies in the House and the Senate that would help to get this very aggressive agenda done? So let me tell you how the agenda would get done. For one thing, we need- Can you name some of your allies? Yes.

My question? I want my question answered. And it will get answered. Names. Yes. We'll talk about this. So what I want to speak to specifically is town hall meetings, which used to require representatives to meet their districts.

They don't do that anymore. They meet with their donors. Well, they largely meet with their donors. They're meeting with their donors like 90% of their waking time. They're hardly ever going to town hall meetings. I mean, we've been out there on the campaign trail. And when we mention this, we get nods all around the room, especially from the opponents of genocide or from those who are demanding health care as a human right or from those who want rent control across the country so that we can actually have secure housing in this country. There are so many things that the American people are demanding, but our elected officials are accountable to their donors.

So you have got a catch-22 here. You have a very difficult system to change. How do you change it? And it only changes in a crisis. When did the third party come along? That is, it was the Republican Party, which was the abolitionist party. It entered into the scene basically right before the Civil War. And they had been preparing for it, running, you know,

and before the Republicans there were other abolitionist parties. But it's a long road to get there, and you have to work to get there. And, you know, and then suddenly they burst on the scene when the time was right. And right now we know that the American people are clamoring for other options. The other options, like namely us, we are the major option on the ballot across the country. We are being denied airtime. We're being censored. We're being silenced. We're being canceled effectively, very much by an explicit plan through the Democratic Party, which they've actually been explicit about. I understand that. And you've repeated that today, Dr. Stein.

What I'm trying to say is with the very aggressive agenda you have, I said to you all, I agree with a lot of what you have there. What I'm talking about is as a political strategist, what is your path? On day one, let me tell you, on day one, on day one we stopped the genocide. Who are your allies? Let me ask you the question. I'm we stopped the genocide. Who are your allies? Let me answer the question.

I'm trying, but I can't get an answer to my question. Your question, however, denies the power that the president has as the executive. The president has a fair amount of executive authority to actually begin the process. So that process begins with stopping the genocide on day one, which happens with a phone call. It's happened before. This absolutely will happen, especially if we invoke the weapons embargo. So would you say that you don't need allies? On issues where you have executive authority, what you need are allies among the people, but you don't need the votes in Congress for much of this agenda to declare a climate

emergency, which we have. The Colorado River is about to shut down. We got people dying from heat, from inadequate food supply. People can't afford their food. Yet, the major source of food in the U.S. is in deep trouble right now. The Colorado River is within one to two years of shutting down. That supplies the California agriculture system. When you say shutting down, what do you mean? It's drought. It cannot get into the system. It can no longer get through the outlets coming out of Lake Mead,

which is where you have this big reservoir. It's almost too low to make it into the irrigation system to reach many states, but especially California agriculture, which supplies half of the fruits and vegetables for the U.S. So you think food prices are bad right now, just wait a year or two. They're going to be in real trouble. So we would declare a climate emergency, which there absolutely is right now. We just had over 100 days of over 100-degree weather in Phoenix.

We've got weather conditions that have never happened before. We're in serious jeopardy, not to mention the storms and drought and the trouble for farmers and all that. So we declare the climate emergency and that immediately triggers the release of over half a trillion dollars every year in emergency funding to begin creating that Green New Deal. That is an emergency jobs program. So no worker is left behind. So you're telling me the president could do that right now? Yes, he could do that right now. That could happen right now. And if I could just add something that our brilliant and talented campaign manager, Jason Call, who happens to be in the room with us, I don't know if the

cameras want to pan to him. So when we were having this conversation last night after a similarly robust conversation with Mehdi Hassan, we made the point, and Jason was the one that brought this into the conversation, that if we do land that knockout punch, that Muhammad Ali versus Sonny Liston knockout punch, and we manage to get 34% of the electoral college votes in this country, right? And we go from the 5%- It's 34% of the vote, the actual votes, which would then translate into a majority of the Electoral College in order to win this election. Thank you for correcting the historian, because we've got a brilliant policy mind here, and I'm still new to this, and happy to be corrected by both family and new family. And likewise. Yes, exactly. So the point is, though, is that if we move from that 5% that we feel is basically assured at this point in time that will lead to $10 million in federal funding to run the next election so that we're not chasing behind, if we have moved to the point where Jill is able to make that phone call, that we've moved from that 5% to that 34%,

that will have mean that there is a profound mandate that comes from the american people with that office that means that yes you might have these you know intransigent entrenched positions on both teams blue and team red but what it will mean is that they will have to respond in a different way to team green if we have that kind of popular mandate and that's why we're trying to take the case to the american people. We might fall short in making that case. They may never show us their chin to where we get to throw that knockout punch.

But in the meantime, we are able to consolidate power that can be utilized in the next electoral cycle and in subsequent electoral cycles to give the American people a genuine choice rather than just the two gangbangers. But when you talk about a threat to democracy, you know, like Donald Trump is, right? We can all agree on that.

Yes, yes, absolutely. What if because of y'all, you know, he ended up winning and then there is no more democracy for y'all to even have a chance to be a threat in the future? Yeah, so... And it's a good question.

We get asked a lot. Yes, I mean, Trump is out front, you know, in interfering with the peaceful transfer of power. So a real threat to democracy. The Democrats on their end don't get a lot of, they're not held accountable for this, but they are throwing their competitors off the ballot in advance of the election.

Did they really hire a bunch of lawyers to throw you all off for three cents? Yes, we can send you the articles, if you like, in the Washington Post and the New York Times. Oh yeah, I read them. They're bragging, actually. They're bragging not only about the consequences, but even when their plan was launched back in March, they are bragging that they have hired an army of lawyers basically to find faults in our

petitions, in our electoral process of getting on the ballot. So they, and we have their, we have screenshots of their ads, which they have since taken down, but they actually have ads advertising for people to manage infiltrators and spies into our campaigns. And then they actually did hijack $300,000 in our public funding, which we critically needed for the timing of ballot access. And that's why, for example, we missed Oklahoma because we didn't have the cash on hand to be able to pay the fee, which is what Oklahoma requires. So yeah, they are pulling out all the stops. And then they have, I'm sure AOC was being an attack dog there, because she was put up to some ridiculous story, which really did not hold water, and I think was

really quite embarrassing to her at the end of the day. Before her, it was Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, who was trying to smear me about being the day. Before her, it was Jamie Harrison, the head of the DNC, who was trying to smear me about being a Russian agent. Well, that was long put to rest by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which looked into that smear campaign for three years, actually. I had a detailed investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee. But can you understand where that came from, Dr. Stein, given the fact that you were sitting at the head table with Vladimir Putin

next to Michael Flynn, who was literally. No, not next to Michael Flynn. Well, not next to. At the same table, the head table with National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, who was found to have interfered with Russia in the 2016 election. And just months after you announced your election. Do you know what my message was? Do you know what my message was? What I understand from what you said is that you weren't able to give that message because there was no one to translate that message.

Well, actually, but I was a major speaker at the conference. What you saw was a photo from the dinner afterwards. Were you at the head table with Vladimir Putin, Dr. Sarkozy? Vladimir Putin came in and sat down for 10 minutes without translators. At the head table with you? Yeah. Well, not with me. On the other side, the only person I could actually talk to because there was so much noise and music and entertainment going on, the only person I could get a word in edgewise to was the former foreign minister for Germany, Willy Wimmer, who was sitting on my right.

And tell me the contents of U.S. foreign policy, which was a disaster by way of trying to bomb our way to peace in the Middle East. The second point was that we need a global Green New Deal because we have a crisis that impacts all of us. We need to move our money from the military to actually confronting our true real threat to our survival, the climate. And the third thing being we need to get rid of the nuclear weapons. That, too, is a threat to our survival. And right now that is a law. That is a law of the land. The nuclear weapons ban treaty is now required by the United Nations. The vast majority of the world's nations have signed on, but not the nuclear weapons holding nations, not Israel, not Russia, not the U.S., not China. So I was there to promote those three things,

not just to Russia, but to the world press, which was gathered there. But this was a Russian TV dinner, which American intelligence officials say is the Kremlin mouthpiece. And I just am curious, if you were there, you were sitting in this picture that I see. So I was there to speak to global media, including the Canadian broadcasting system, the BBC, China, India, world media, to know that there is another constituency within the U.S. We are not all about being empire, about conducting endless war against black and brown people around the world and ginning up nuclear weapons.

And we have, by the way, led the charge in dismantling the nuclear treaties so that right now we are risking nuclear war on three fronts. Did you know that one nuclear-armed submarine alone contained the equivalent of 5,000 Hiroshima bombs? Nuclear confrontation is a threat to us all because of the nuclear winter thing. And there's so much which is not being addressed. There's so much which the American people deserve to know, including

how much this is costing us. Can I read you something, Dr. Stein? I'm just asking. It says, engaging with foreign assets is a pattern for Dr. Jill Stein. Previously, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated links between Stein's 2016 campaign and Russia's efforts to interfere in the election, while an indictment bought by

Special Counsel Robert Mueller found that the Kremlin's Internet Research Agency had used social media to promote her candidacy. So that has been more than a thousand times. Oh, yeah. I mean, so the Senate Intelligence Committee, they don't mention what the finding of the Senate Intelligence Committee was, which was that there was absolutely no fault on my part whatsoever. The question that was raised there was, did Russian social media have an impact? And was I a beneficiary of that?

And the Senate- But they said you repeatedly parroted Kremlin views and posted a campaign video from Moscow They consider reparations a Kremlin view. They consider the civil rights movement, actually, a Kremlin view. They consider racial disparities a Kremlin view. They consider the civil rights movement, actually, a Kremlin view. They consider racial disparities a Kremlin view. So these are Department of Defense talking points. And these are, unfortunately, the DNC talking points as well, which repeatedly tries to smear me as a Russian agent. They call you a youthful idiot.

Yes. And this has been very specifically found lacking. And the report, get this, the report that was initially used to supposedly show that Russians had a social media campaign supporting me, that was written by a cybersecurity firm called the New Knowledge Corporation. New Knowledge had to disband shortly after publishing that because they were exposed for conducting an interference campaign themselves in the 2017 Senate election in Alabama. And how did they do that?

They pretended to be a Russian influence campaign on social media. So they did exactly what they have accused the Russians of doing. They actually did and put it under the false guise of being a Russian interference campaign. So this is just such a side-off and a hit-job, bro. It's a side-off and a hit-job. Totally. Vladimir Putin or anybody on in the Kremlin, anybody within his team, have you ever had any conversations with them? I have tried to and have never been able to. But that has been my goal, to actually advance each of these three absolutely critical

issues. And in the words of John F. Kennedy, we must not negotiate out of fear, but we must not fear to negotiate. Look at the Ukraine war, for example, which is an absolute disaster. It is a war being fought to the last Ukrainian. No one is paying a steeper price in blood than the people of Ukraine right now. This is an absolutely criminal and tragic war, but it was completely avoidable. Even after it began, there were negotiations taking place under the auspices of Turkey, which brought together the various parties, and you had a peace agreement between Russia and between Ukraine. And that peace treaty was disrupted by the U.S. and by the U.K., which came in and said, no, you may not make peace here.

The U.S. has been invested in this, unfortunately, as part of our plan for the expansion of U.S. influence following the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's a longer story. We don't need to go into it. But this is an absolutely avoidable conflict. You have to be the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's a longer story, we don't need to go into it, but this is an absolutely avoidable conflict. You have to be very skeptical of the talking points that we're hearing from the Department of Defense. What does the Green Party have planned for America? I hear a lot of geopolitical issues. So I'd like to bridge between those

by going back to something that you asked about, like Team Red, how we appeal. So just to be clear, that part of the appeal to Team Red is to actually focus on America. So one of the things that is a marked difference between the way that the corporate interests that control the Democrats and the corporate interests that control the Republicans

are configured is that on the so-called right end of the spectrum, there are a lot more people that are interested in disengagement from forever wars configured is that on the so-called right end of the spectrum, there are a lot more people that are interested in disengagement from forever wars and want to focus instead on domestic policy. So I think that that is one place where we can absolutely make an appeal. And, you know, the appeal that Jill, you know, sort of framed, and I'll be blunt about this, like my grandfather, Rudolph Ware Sr., he never, so yeah, I go by Butch, but I'm actually Rudolph Ware III. You know,

my grandfather from Georgia, father grew up in D.C. My son is also Rudolph, you know, so yeah, I go by Butch, but I'm actually Rudolph Ware III. You know, my grandfather from Georgia, father grew up in D.C., my son is also Rudolph. You know, so we got four of them. But Rudolph Sr. never would have voted for Democrats because he didn't like that culture of dependency, going with your handout. He was somebody that did things for himself. So the idea of saying,

we can cut your personal income taxes, we can cut your small business taxes because we're gonna make billionaires pay their fair share and we will stop taking money out of your pocket and handling handing it to Raytheon by laundering it through genocide. Right. That we feel that that is something that will appeal to people, you know, not just on the right, but like people that are not thinking about voting at all, that this is actually a really, really crucial point. And it is one place where Team Blue is absolutely speeding us towards World War III more rapidly than Team Red is. OK, Team Red might be speeding us towards a kind of societal collapse. Right. And fascism. Exactly. Right. No, no.

But the thing is, is that the truth of the matter is, is that imperialism and fascism are two sides of the same coin. One is the side that faces outwards and the other is the side that faces inward. And I made a social media post before I got brought onto the team that said it this way, is that whether you vote team red or team blue, militarized fascism wins because the AIPAC and the weapons manufacturers are patrons of both networks. And just to return to that point, right, I've been on campuses. I organized a Palestinian liberation concert on October 21st.

I organized a black and Palestinian solidarity panel at my local mosque on October 11th, four days after. Like your brother was not backing down and the Zionists came for my job within the month, okay? And, you know, a Negro still standing. So, but the point of all that is just to say that when we launched this campaign

to try to actually bring people into this conversation, you see that this is actually where the American people stand. The American people do not want this forever war, and they do not want militarized fascists coming to their campuses to crack kids' heads open. I had to stand out in front of the encampment. And that's Democratic governor in California.

That's Democrat mayors in places like New York City. It's Democrats that are running cop cities. So the thing is, bro, fascism is already here. It's just that one of it is like fascism and the other is fascism. But the truth is, is that the purple fascists, the purple imperialists, team red and team blue, are run by the same funders and who funds you runs you. So there's a there's a discourse about putting off fascism. But the reality is, is that fascism was already here because we already can't speak freely.

We already have people, university presidents losing their job under democratic regimes. We already have kids that are lining up for people, peaceful protests, having their heads knocked open. Or you have the cops standing to the side at UCLA so that thugs can knock kids' heads open. have kids that are lining up for people peaceful protests having their heads knocked open or you have the cops standing to the side at ucla so the thugs can can knock kids heads open so so i'm sorry the fear mongering ain't gonna work on me the only the only thing that that i would say to you is i think it's very dangerous rhetoric to say there are two sides of the same coin i do think it's important for us to understand democrats i think it's well i think it's important for us to understand. Dangerous to the Democrats, yes. I think it's, well, I think it's dangerous to all of us, actually. I don't have that privilege. We disagree. I understand. We do on a lot, but we also agree on a lot. But here's one thing I think we can agree on. Either you win or lose this election, there's really no in-between.

Dr. Stein, in 2002, you ran for governor of Massachusetts, and you lost. In 2004, you ran for state representative in Massachusetts, and you lost. In 2006, you ran for secretary of the Commonwealth. You also lost. In 2006, you ran for secretary of the Commonwealth. You also lost. In 2010, you ran for governor again, this time against the first black governor in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick. You lost. In 2012, you ran against this country's first black president,

and you got just less than one-half of 1% of total votes cast. In 2016, you ran against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, losing significantly with 1.4 million votes cast for you, but zero electoral college votes, which I agree with y'all needs to be abolished. But 136 million people voted, and you lost that election as well. So I want to know what the pathway to victory is for you in 2024.

It can't just be. I'd like to provide a different. Shut your mouth. Watch your fucking mouth. I want to provide. And I want to. And I also. Can I respond please? Anna Kamala Harris. I would like to respond this is the framing of the empire and the oligarchy

and white supremacy and colonialism which wants you to feel that resistance is futile this is about voter blaming and coercion let me just let you respond you have plenty of time to what you're not going to say is that I'm ever parroting anything at the hands of white supremacy.

This is something that's very different. This is me asking you again. It's a binary choice in an election. It is either a win or a lie. No, it's not a talking point. No, no, no. I didn't get my talking. This is not DNC talking points. This is my research. And sadly for you, the research says you have never won an election. You have been successful in pushing forward certain agendas as an advocate, but you have never won an election as a candidate. We are the one party. Is that a winning strategy?

So in order to win, you know, a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. And in this case, it's many steps. Let me point out. This is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven steps. Let me point out, please, you need to compare the Green Party not with those who are taking money from AIPAC and the war machine and Wall Street you've got to compare us

you have to compare us to other grassroots non-corporate we need she said I was that was my disappointment earlier may I get to my point? May I please get to my point?

We have to go to Dr. Stein, Angela, or I've closed it up. Let me finish, please. Thank you. You're trying to compare us to the Democratic Party and the Republican Party with their billions of dollars, or to the Working Families Party, which is not under attack. As a people-powered party, not taking money from Wall Street or the war machine or AIPAC, we are on very different turf. But if you compare us to all other similar parties, which are not taking corporate money, which are not bought and paid for, which can stand up against endless war, against homelessness, against the climate crisis,

against the housing and the health care crisis. Campaigns like us, who can actually stand up for the people, they last exactly one to two election cycles, and then they're gone. So we are actually the strong, the pillar of strength among people-powered politics. And what have we done over that period? We have established the Green Party as the vehicle for people-powered politics. We have also launched the agenda, which has been adopted by the progressive Democrats, given lip service, not actually advanced. reparations launched by our campaign as a national issue in 2012. If you look at free public higher education, bailing out students and ending student debt, you had Congress bailing out the crooks on Wall Street who crashed the economy, but not bailing out homeowners, not bailing out students. That agenda was launched by us. So I think it's not fair, and it is the talking point of AOC

the other day, who is taking her marching orders from the DNC. This is exactly what they say, that we are only running for president. We're not going to use color as parroting talking points instead of us looking at basic math. The one thing that AOC has done that you haven't is win some elections. And so when I'm asking

you if you've won any elections, that is one point. If you want to tell me that you want to push a more progressive agenda, if you want to talk about pushing a progressive agenda, you can do that not by running necessarily for president. Your track record as a

state rep candidate, as a secretary of the commonwealth candidate, as a gubernatorial candidate, as a presidential candidate are woefully lacking. So I'm asking if you consider going about it a different way instead of telling me I'm parroting white supremacist talking points. Perhaps you hear the facts. These are the facts. The numbers are not

on your side. Right? Let's end with some closing remarks on your campaign and then the Honorable Angela Wright, you can end with your closing remarks. I have asked my questions. Okay, so as Frederick Douglass said, power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and it never will. Like so many other Greens, I came from the world of social activism.

I spent decades upon decades fighting for health care as a human right, for racially just redistricting, which we actually succeeded in, for getting big money out of politics and creating a public financing system, which we actually succeeded in in Massachusetts until the Democratic legislature came in and invalidated the people's referendum, which had won by a two to one margin. They invalidated it on a voice vote and refused to provide the funding for it. I saw our movements being beaten back by the power, the political power of corporations and billionaires operating through

the Democratic and Republican parties. I saw that over and over again. We are not making incremental progress forward. We're actually taking rather major steps backwards right now. You know, the disparities, racial disparities, black and white disparities are actually not better at all than they were in 1960, in spite of all the, you know, hard work and the lip service that's been given to racial justice and racial equality. You know, in Boston, in the Massachusetts area, the average household wealth of the African-American family is $8, considering debt. The average wealth of the Caucasian family is a quarter million dollars. And this is not unusual. This is where we are. We are stuck. If you looked at the footage from the floor of the DNC, what you could see were

the corporate suites, which started at half a million dollars each and went up to five million dollars. This is the money running the DNC, running the Republican National Committee as well. These parties have been bought and paid for. They really do not have wiggle room. We're not going to fix this around the margins. We need to stand up and build a coalition. This was my experience as an organizer, a successful organizer, on these many issues that I just ran through. How did we do that? You do it by building coalitions. But if your coalitions are only there for the moment, you know what, you can get the bill passed like we did with public funding of elections,

but they're going to tear it down. Then you need your coalition to remain in power and to remain effective so that you're fighting to maintain your victories. So what I see us having done since I first was tricked into running for office in 2000, running for governor, I was tricked into running for office because I saw we were failing over and over and over again on our aspirations for you know for racial justice, to fight white supremacy, to fight police violence, which also is getting worse year by year, to fight for health care. You know, the health disparities between African-American and white population is about three years, three years of life taken away from African-Americans.

And that's before you add in the disparities in education. If you factor in education disparities as well, that three years grows to 10 years, a decade taken off the lives of most African-Americans. To me, this was just unacceptable. I could not sit there and take it over and over again, especially after the Democrats reversed our achievements to get at the core problem, which is the corruption of money in politics. We solved that and they basically tore that solution to shreds. I could not stand there. That's when I got recruited to run for office

because I began to realize this is about building coalitions. That doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lot of education. It takes a lot of work. And so I ran in that first race for governor, challenging actually Mitt Romney, who was running for governor on the Republican ticket. And you know what? We had to fight our way to get into a televised debate. But we did succeed

because the turnout was huge in, you know, in the rallies that were demanding to open up the debates. And that debate was opened up on one occasion. And that debate took place in a TV studio. There was no live audience to, like, read. So it was just, you know, speaking to the other people in the room, small number of people, the, you know, the guy behind the camera and so on. And my Green Party's proposals, which we've run through several times, went over like a lead balloon inside of that TV studio. And I walked out of there thinking, oh, well, at least I tried. But when I walked out, I was mobbed by the press who told me that I had won the instant online viewer poll, which we didn't even know was going on.

And to me, that was like a revelation that, oh, my God, people actually agree with us. We don't need to change people's minds. People's minds have been changed by the desperate state of our economy, by the incredible injustices, by the police state that we're living in, etc. And it wasn't nearly as bad back then in the year 2002. So we, at that point, it's like a curtain went up for me. And I saw, oh my God, this is not a matter of having to change people's minds. People are already there. It's just that people are denied knowing that there are options that actually empower us.

So what's your website for people who want that option? Thank you. It is JillStein2024.com. And yes, check us out because this election is full of, what shall we say, 180s and unexpected developments. And we, the people, deserve to. And we the people deserve to be heard. We are demanding to be heard. And we potentially have the power. If only the vote to stop genocide stood up to say, I will not hold my vote, my nose and vote for genocide,

that vote, or the 87 million people who do not have adequate health care, or the 50 percent of renters who are struggling, who are just one or two paychecks away from being evicted and being out in the street. If those people stand up to vote for what we actually can have right now, this election will be turned on its head. And if we don't get to the White House, but we start on the road to the White House, that too is a huge win. So I really encourage people to follow the words of Alice Walker. The biggest way we give up power is by not recognizing that we have it. This is the conversation that the Democrats, the Republicans, the oligarchs, the warmongers,

they do not want you to hear this. They do not want you to know that we have power. We have the power if we are willing to stand up and demand it. And in the face of a genocide, a new coalition is being forged. It's being forged in this era of blood and destruction and world crisis. A new coalition is being formed to stand up for peace and justice. The institutional supports are coming out of the woodwork in a way that we have never seen before. This is my third race. We've never seen anything like it. And the mobilization of the Arab American and the Muslim American communities is a real example of a community that is standing up with the incredible courage of their convictions to say we deserve better. We deserve an America and a world that works for all of us that is within our reach if

we demand it. Well, thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Jill Stein, Dr. Bush Blair. Thank you. Great talking with all of you. Enjoy the debate. Thank you so much. Great, lively conversation. Thank you, Angela Rye.

Thank you, Angela Rye. It wasn't supposed to be a debate at all. But it was good. It was great. It was great. All right. It was great. It was the best kind of debate.

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