The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film + More

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Today on The breakfast Club, Eva Marcille Dishes On 'Top Model' Doc, Self Love, New Film. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Eva Marcell. Welcome back. How are you feeling? I am blessed and highly favorite. How y'all doing it at? Good to see you. I'm like four scoops and valin. It's good to see you, Eva, because you wanted a few people

that's doing press right now because everybody in their name mama that was on America's next top model is scared to death to do press why that documentary is up I'm not going to say who but there was a person who told us that... We said it on there, but go ahead. Oh, there was a person who told us

that they weren't coming up here unless we put in writing that we didn't ask them about America's next top model. Yes. Oh, really? Were they promoting other things? Yeah, Winnie Hallow? He just said about her to see the name. The CEO club that she's in right now.

Oh, Winnie's popping. And you know what? But shout out to Winnie Harlow, and I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments. And I can tell you why. One of the young ladies on the documentary, if you saw it, Danny dropped dead gorgeous. She was one of the winners. And she said something that I think is, well, I know it's very true. It's something that I try not to talk about a lot because I'm very grateful for where I am.

But doing top model definitely puts a scarlet letter on your back. I mean, to know me, y'all knew me When you did, when you were with Wendy, y'all knew me as Eva Pickford. I changed my name to Eva Marcelle, which is my legal middle name. But I changed it so that when I went to audition, I walked in rooms, I wasn't prejudged.

They just saw a girl named Eva. It's not that uncommon of a name. So they see Eva M letter read for the role. And so then I would get the role, and later they would realize, like, oh my God, that's that girl from that show. But I can tell you about 10,000 doors are closed. For sure.

I think it would be a good thing. Why? Why was it a bad thing? Okay, can I tell you why? Yes. It's because we live in a new day. We live in a day today where to be a reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be a reality star is to amplify a brand.

And so when you put someone like a just hilarious on something, you already know that you're going to get automatic clicks because we're coming to see you off the top. And so if you're selling athletic wear, we might mess around a weird outfit too, but we're going to watch it. because of you. When I came up, there was no social media, Charlemagne, at all. My interviews came through you. So my voice came through you. And so me being a part of a brand

took away from the brand because y'all came to see me. And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the runway, we're hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and the looks. And so it was an odd time, because a big transition happened to where reality stars became the big thing,

but it didn't change when it came to top model. Because it was a TV show first for them, but for us, it was a competition. Right. It was a competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest person in Modeling, the queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has said you are good enough. She put you through a boot camp that said you can do the rigors, And if you get this done, you go out into the world, you're going to be a star. And then we went out into the world.

And they were like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. Star, when are you going to twinkle? But you and Takara and like a winnie, y'all found a way to brand yourselves. And Tyra always talked about branding. Like she always used branding like even before it was a buzzword. So I feel like did you learn that there at America? Absolutely. See, for me and I can only speak for myself, I come from South Central Los Angeles.

I come from you going to hustle. That's part of who you are. And then I went to college, and I went to Clark-Cand-Land University, home of W.E.B. DeV. DeV. DeV. And the motto was, find a way or make one. So between coming up in the hood and knowing I had to get mine in the paint and then going to college and understanding scholastically what that meant and putting that into work. After doing top model, I was like, oh, okay, cool. So Tyra said I wasn't good enough. And I won the show.

I'm popping, now I got to do to work. And that was one thing that I was never confused about. One thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked it up or not. I think that they believed that as soon as you won, like, the stars would open and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account. They're like, no, we're going to give you $100,000, sprinkled, not quickly.

And... Get the fight for that $100,000? Well, see, no, I didn't. And I know I've heard other stories. and I cannot discount anyone's story. But Eva Marcile Pickford got her 100. You said sprinkled, though, so like 10 every two weeks. Yeah, it was like you get your initial money.

And then when you came and I had the privilege of actually signing one of the only girls to sign two cover girl. So after getting that initial 100,000, they're like, okay, now we want you to sell mascara. Now, you know what I mean? And so it went on from there. but the work never stopped.

The work is 10,000 times more than anyone expected. And I think that's not what's talked about. What do you think made you and Takar's experiences with top models so different? Because I feel like y'all are the only two girls that talk completely positive about everything. And even when you talk about the negative, it's not nothing like with the other girls. No, no. I mean, the negative is, it's life, right? Like that's why I say, I mean, you have Sharpies here, but you usually learn how to write with a pencil.

That's why they have erasers. Because to air is to be human. You're not going to always get it right. And it's not just me. It's Yaya De Costa, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime. Yeah, yeah, went on to do, I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer. My girl's popping.

And a lot of the women are, I would be a bit biased to say season three, we definitely stood out. And the black girls for sure stood out. But I think that that's what they were casting out. at that time. They casted an early season, season three,

they didn't really know what they were doing. It wasn't even called reality TV. Like, if you really think about it back in 2003, there was no reality TV. You had Survivor

and you had a real world and that was it. And then you had top model an American Idol. I won the same year as Fantasia. So that's how long... I know. That's how long ago it is.

And so to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was just a great group of stars. They got women that were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't know if the producers knew exactly what it is. They were going to tap into and really make that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine. And they had stars like it or not.

And Takara walked in there, F-A-B-O-L-O. I mean, when I tell you that girl, it's fabulous to this day. I love the fact that you throw fabulous wrong, but I love it. But that's not. That's how she spelled that. F-O-L-U-S-I-S-I-M-E. That's how she's spelled it when she walked in. She's like F-A-B-R-L.

I was like, I mean. You're fabulous, too. Your hair looks amazing. Oh, my God. Thank you. Listen, that's a shout out to the one and only Nap star, Annette out of New York City. She got five shops, but Annette, she does me

from my TV show, All the Queens Men. Right her right there? Yeah. What's up, Annette? Yes, that's Annette. And thank you for that, because representation means a lot. That's why I'm here. today to talk about my movie and and and uh top model and all the things that i used to represent

who black women are and i fight like crazy from my natural hair were you invited to talk on the um documentary that they did were you invited because we didn't see you no no no no even invited i was not invited to talk about the documentary i was asked um when i realized that the documentary was coming out and they started promoting it i was asked by you know new york times everybody like you know what do you think what do you think it's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching i had no clue how they were going to skew this what they were going to do but i am intelligent enough to know that after 22 years of a show there's no way you can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to the people that helped do so so i kind

knew they were going to kind of skew it in a way that was a bit biased and I'm not here to say that Tyra's perfect but I will be the first person to say I'll rock hard body with Tyra Landbanks. They don't have some of the biggest stars on that. That's awesome. Because we most likely all

have positive things to say and so you can't skew a documentary. They didn't call Takara, I believe. I'm not sure if they called Yaya to do it or not but I tried to do an interview. I mean I reached out to your rep prior to it and he said that you wanted to watch it.

I reached out to Yaya's team and they said, no, she's not doing the top model conversation. Me and Sakar did an interview, but one of the things that I saw, because I saw you do the interview with CBS Mornings? Yes, we go. And people were upset about feeling like you were defending some of the things that happened in the interview,

even though you said you were horrified. How do you feel when you see that? Because I know you've said, Tyra's done so much for me, you're not going to get me to a point where I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls do. It's not more so about how much she's done for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as a whole.

I think that we as onlookers with media, journalists, I think it's very easy to look on the outside end and to point and call a flaw, especially years and eons later. If I was to look back at Golden Girls, the first three episodes, they had a very, very cute and flamboying gay man who absolutely disappeared.

after episode four, where is said best friend? He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't talk about it. We don't deal with it. Now, if we look at today's landscape about diversity and inclusion and where we should be, look at friends. It took, what, eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend and it was Aisha.

I mean, we can look back at a lot of projects and think about where we were and look at where we are, what we can affect. and where we can go. But I think that we don't do ourselves a proper service when we look at something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided to go out and do something great.

Did she stumble along the way? I don't see anybody at the Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble. That, I mean, to err is to be human. But I think that it's very easy to point a finger. But it's hard, and it's easy to say, all the people's flaws. But what good did she do?

I know what good she did. Winnie Harlow was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses, organization, things that I do. And despite what I've had to hurdle over, I mean, Carrie Washington had to hurdle over and she didn't do top models. So I counted all joy.

I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've healed from mine. Have you talked to Tyrus into the doc? because she hasn't said anything. I haven't talked to her since the documentary. I went to lunch with Mr. Jay just the other day and we chatted for a while.

Yeah, I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny. You know, I know, y'all know. But most don't know that are in the early 2000s what it really feels like to get, troll daily. How's Mr. Jay holding up too? Because I, now the conversation I saw a publicist, what's her name? Catron. She made a statement and said basically like he does this every few years to try and get his name in the media and throw things Tyra's way in a negative way. Oh, really?

And that's been a conversation about because how their friendship ended and like what are his intentions? Or is he just telling his story? Watching the documentary I learned about the friendship. I had absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know, like besties, like me and my best of he rock hard to the core. So I had no idea about the severance, him wanting to leave and then staying and then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed.

Like, that was all big news to me. I think it's sad. I'm a loyalist. I'm a Scorpio to the core. Unless you do something, just absolutely agree. We're going to rock this thing to the wills fall off. And so to watch this all play out, he wrote a book called The Bitch to Model the Meltdown a while ago. It's a novel.

And I mean, his experience is his experience. I use the word gobsmacked because I... Gop smacked. She said she was gobsmack. She said she was gobsmack. You know, Charlotte was so mad at you for saying gobsmacked. Why? I'm like, I ain't ever heard you talk like that.

It felt like you was on, what was it, CBS this morning? CBS morning. I'm like, why did she go on CBS this morning and coached with you a little bit? No, I didn't coach it. I was bamboozled. I was led astray. I was supposed. I said that first.

Oh, you said that first? Yes. I'm sorry. I said all of those things. But you also have to realize Charlevene. I went to school for speech communication. Speech is actually what I do. Venacular is my thing.

Girl, come. I'm snacking this. I'm saying. Crazy. On the Ricky Smiley Morning Show, they call me Silo Marceil. Like, I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables beyond monosyllabic

English that we're used to. I think we as people have a way of being extremely expressive and a lot of things we do. And I think that words should be one that we exercise more oftenly. So I was, I couldn't find a word beyond a curse word.

I was, I was an, awe. Because to find out that you were a part of a situation and had no clue, it was just, a bunch of hibble giggle. It was a bunch of hibble giggle. It was. And flabbergastry and I was just, oh.

Hibble gible? Hibble. Yeah. Yeah, I was taking it back. You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent years about reality, TV and mental health. Like when you look back, what did this show get wrong? especially with like young women. Oh, so many.

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Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Doc says this show gave us a promise of a dream and of a career. I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew that that wasn't really true. And not saying that the business wasn't something that we could do, but there's just no way that all of us were going to end up being these huge big stars. And so I think that I prepare myself mentally early on. Like, if this doesn't work out, what do I do? I wouldn't be gobsmacked.

I was going back to college. But being brutally honest that bad. You know, because sometimes people need to hear honesty in a place where, people are being truthful to them. Truthful and honesty and hurt are all different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh girl, I was just keeping it real. No, you were being very mean.

Sometimes people need to hear that, though. Well, truth without compassion is cruel. It is. And I think that we make a great excuse to be honest while being extremely mean and extremely hurtful. And so Janice Dickinson, for an example, I won the show, and I remember after winning, She was like, thank God, now you can finally get your nose job.

Jesus. And I quickly went to a mirror, didn't realize I had a nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short. I knew I was androgynous. So they called me a man, woman, all these things. But now I... Oh, yeah. That's crazy.

So I was so scared to cut my hair shorter and go blonde because they... When you came on the show, it was like, your vibe was very like, L.A., cool, like, tomboyish. I mean, I'm still here in a suit. And, like, that's just... I have three brothers. That's how I get down. So you felt away because that was your storyline on the show and they leaned into it and you were so confident on the show.

I didn't know you felt away about them calling you those things. Dudes always thought you were fine, though. I didn't know I was mildly attracted them until I went to college. I was walking down the quad. Someone said, God damn, shall I read? And I remember saying, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And he also said if I ate a little bit more, I'd be fine. Oh, you was in the top.

Yeah. Yeah, but I didn't really have an idea of like what aesthetics were and what men were into and all that stuff until school. My confidence lied in the fact that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant. The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopedia Britannica's every single day, book report every single day. To be, to, I had to study to show myself approved, like all the time. straight A's, Dean's Les Scholarships, that was, that was me.

So the nose job, then, like, that conversation, so you looked in the mirror and then what happens following all the stuff? I definitely had a mouth complex about my nose. Couldn't figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I didn't know what to make right, which was the hardest part.

Like, you know, like, say if, like, your hair is cut, but you got a little piece right here, like, you know you need to cut that piece. I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bombed. Don't listen to him. He's a hater. You can grow here.

So there's that. Okay. It's like being single. It's by choice, not by force. I'm not single anymore. I don't know. That's right. Last time you were here,

oh, we're going to get into all that because you got some updates too. We do have some updates, but we want to talk about getting pushed off this plane because this is a little. No, I really wanted to hear how you're... Remember, she got to go out a certain time too, so. Well, because they leaned into each other.

You know, last time I was here, I was kind of giving you an update on love. and where I was at. I was not in the most positive place, which is, this is one of the few stops I made because I knew that I would reach all my people and that you guys would handle me with a nice glove.

With a kid gloves? She just said, nice gloves. A nice glove. No, I wasn't kid gloves. Y'all had a couple of little ones too, but, you know, I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was straight. But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of spaces

that a lot of us black women are in. The name of the movies, pushed off a plane and survived. So pushed off a plane survive is about a woman named Jene who is in her late 30s, early 40s, serial entrepreneur, all about her business,

all about her money. She owns three different hair salons. It does extremely well for herself. The one thing she has never focused on is love. So finally you get to that age and you're like late 30s, early 40s, you're like, maybe I want a man,

maybe I want kids, maybe I want all these things. And so she goes on the dating gaps and all the stuff and she's trying to find love and she meets a guy Tyler Leppley Cole. Yes, Cole for this movie and this and that Col and I's first

rendezvous. We did a film before called Buried Alive and Survived, so for whatever reason I love being tortured by him. You love surviving. I do. But see, you know, that's the black woman in me. We're going to survive. You're going to knock us down, but we're going to get up. And so get pushed off a plane. His weird hobby is that

he likes skydiving. And instead of being a prude, I like pickleball So instead of playing pickleball I decide to skydive Which was the best and worst decision of my life You have to tune into it on Saturday February 28th on Lifetime

8 p.m. 7th Central It's going down Tyler Leppley and I Back in Love again Damn God damn Don't all ask the part I get out of play so bad

Okay so I've done the simulated one Like the one Ooh eye sky No, so the way my body is set up is I believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life, the three children I have here, I would like to be there with all my phalanjis and limbs working. I did it once. How to go? He never did it again. No, I never did it again.

So I did it, but it was a birthday gift, a surprise birthday gift from my wife to me. So we drove out there the whole time. I made every excuse why we shouldn't be going. She love you, but she knew not like you. That is crazy. No, no, no, we both were. He didn't make her orgasm for 10 years. Yeah, that was, he had to do something.

Don't listen to him. She needs an O shot. No, no, no. She's fine now. She's fine now. This is, that's different. But anyway, we went out there. We jumped out the plane and then I started looking at all the plane accidents that happened

and all the skydiving accidents and was like, why the hell would I do that and never did it again? But the adrenaline and what it was was amazing. Bras your libido back? No, that has something different. Me and my wife met, she was 15, I was 16. Oh, God. Could you start this and I got to explain. She got to go out.

So I do gotta go out of 11. He didn't go out of 11. He didn't go out of 11. Sure. So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how to have sex. I learned from watching porn. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

That did not work. My mouth game was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she, and during an argument, she told me. You're my age, though. So it wasn't real porn. It was like Skinna max. Crazy. No, it's porn.

Like, poor porn. Like, you should get to VHS and watch the porn. And that's what it was. And she didn't orgasm in a while. She told me in an argument. We wrote a book about it to explain it. while but you met her at 16 so she had somebody before you? No, I was the first.

Shane didn't know what she was missing and he didn't show her until 10 years later. I was able to do it with my mouth not through penetration. Come on, this is her and if you're not mine. No, but I'm learning so much right now. Shut up showing. Well, the reason why I jumped off the plane because we did not have any of those problems. He pushed me off the plane willingly.

I was trapped onto him all the things ago. But I feel like the movie is a lesson about trusting someone too soon as a accomplished woman, right? But see, the question truly is just when it's too soon? Because there is one of my favorite scenes in the movie

is he asks me to stand on this this ledge and fall backward. And you ever seen that like that trust fall? He's like, yeah, ain't no way. I'm falling backward. And we didn't have stunts. We didn't have a pat down. And I've worked

with Tyler before. I'm a little dancer than I look, so I think I'm a little heavier. And he caught me. And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and knowing that someone has you. And not because you can feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping and not actually hitting the ground. Can another person give you that? I was going to say that.

Do you have that with somebody? They can. You know, my wedding song was that. Lila James has a song, Catch Me, I'm Falling for You. And it speaks about I'm ready, I'm about to jump Now I need you down there Because I do not want to fall

But I do want to take this jump And so I think this is what this movie is about And honestly sometimes you get it wrong And sometimes you get it right But the biggest part that I took away from it Is that most of the time You're going to get it wrong 99% of the people you date

You will not be with forever So get back on that horse try it again but what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics the manipulation and how do you that's not your guy if any of that stuff exists

that's not your person I'm talking about Cole I ain't trying to get a movie away but I'm saying but see Cole he he the flags were there right a lot of times the flags are there

you have the you have Sage counsel your home girl is like friend I am not feeling this you know this is crazy my sister in this movie she knew it but she also was so close to me.

None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet on my dates. Like, this ain't going to work. Got $20. He's a, you know, he's a dud. So there's that too. You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts,

and keep your friends close. Because when he doesn't work out, she will still be there. So where you are right now in life, in real life, it does parallel because I know you and Mike got back together and y'all are together and that is your forever.

We saw the, like, you know. Well, he will always be my forever. because we have children together. We have three amazing kids, and there is no life without him since we've had them. So we're always forever. I think that since the divorce, and because I'm not very public and not a thirst trap kind of girl,

and, you know, don't throw a lot of pictures up there. The world's wondering, like, what's going on? And we are at a beautiful place. I think the first time the world saw us together, again, was in essence. I was down there hosting the main. stage and he was free. And everybody was excited for you also. Because we love black love. We love, um, especially family unity. You know, Mike was adopted. And so when it comes to what family

looks like and what DNA looks like and titles, um, we don't find ourselves too caught up on that. I think that that's what kind of hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long time, then got married, you realize things changed, but nothing really changed, but the title, but now you feel the pressure to change things. All that stuff. is gone. All that's gone. And I am the beautiful mother of his amazing children. He is amazing father to our children. And we have a great relationship. I have a question for, I guess, you, but everybody in the room then. So, y'all are married? The pressure comes. No, we're not married. So you guys are still divorced? Yes, we got divorced. I know. And then, but I thought, I don't know

what I thought you guys did. She was supposed to see you together. She was over for another merge on the other side. I mean, just, I didn't know what, we don't know. She don't talk about it. Well, what? So then, are you? So then, are you? So then, are you? So y'all are back together. Well, that wasn't even honestly in my question, but we hear now. So y'all are back together. So is there going to be another proposal of marriage? We are still figuring things out.

But we are definitely not where we were last time I was here. Last time I was talking about and after, I was depressed, emaciated, phone conversations were very minimal. And now we can joke. We shoot pool. Like, it's, you want to come over and have some whiskey. That's important. We are at such a different space. And I think that that is more important than the labels.

When you think about my daughter who just turned 12, we have a 12-year-old little girl, we have a 7-year-old son and a 6-year-old son. So what world do we want to give them? The world of labels and ideas of what everything we, everything the world thinks we should be, or the truth. Mom is there for every holiday.

I just took them to Raw yesterday and flew here today just to take them courtside to see Raw. Like it's just, it's family And that'll never change And that is the forever What were the pressures then Because it seems like you guys have always Been a line like that

And that's why everybody was so happy When you guys got together Even when you were housewives Like it was good to see you in that space So what was that pressure? Oh my goodness I mean, try having two children And being married

And being in the limelight, Laura It is not the easiest thing And I'm kind of I'm a very, very black family That is what happens at home stays at home. And so we are a united front wherever we go. But I didn't fail to be most likely a full on nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems, like as every married couple.

I mean, a decade in, three kids later, press, you're going to have your problems. So we definitely had our problems. And I thought, I'm not one of those that feel like I want to do. this in the public. Mm-hmm. And I'm not one to, like, string along. Yeah. I feel like separations can get very messy.

Mm-hmm. And so when you find yourself in that space, it's that limbo space that's like, you can kind of do, what you can't kind of do, but I can kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah. I am way more madam than you think. That is not safe for anybody.

Way more madam? Yes. In control? You mean, like, you got, you don't mind. You better. Shut up. Well, yeah, we live in a right to carry state. in Georgia

I'm confused I'm just saying I just Chitty chitty bang bang nigga nigga I was talking about the madam

that be having the holes Oh no her That's hard Because she's in control She busts her gun She's always holding Got you got you

Got you got you And quick to phone So Can I pat her down Before she came in What she talked like that I didn't bring it I didn't know

I didn't know I didn't You never gonna be caught You're making sure. You make it sure. Real quick. Real quick, about the movie. I know you got to go,

because I got to go to. I'm going to leave out with you. But come on, Jazz. So what was the hardest thing about filming the movie? Because you had stunts and you know, what was the hard? Okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film. And shout out to Lifetime, because Lifetime is not going to give you a little stage and make it pretty. They want to get as gritty as possible.

So two scenes. One, my drowning scene because you can't fake drown. Yeah. So, you. you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane

and the falling and the debris and being under, oh my goodness. Did they keep the green screen in? No, it was real deal. No, no, no. He mean the preview that they sent us, the green screen is still in it. There's one split second with a green screen is still in it. Oh, it won't be. Don't worry.

On February to 28th, on Saturday. He's making sure they can't get you. So what happened, Charlemagne the God, you happen to have the luxury of getting the screener prior to. So there are certain VFX, and if you could appreciate the writer's strike that we just had, there's a lot of AI and VFX that go into production now. So you got to see some of the first cuts.

Gotcha. And the world will see the final cut on February the 28th on this good Saturday, get your popcorn, get your girls, grab your friends, whatever you're. drink or non-drink of choice is get ready. That's why you ain't worried about doing press right now because she's going to get through those questions and get through what you need to get to.

Well, definitely check it out. He was a star. Pushed off a place. Exactly. Like when the producers of America next time, I don't know what they were doing. That's why I said you can't stop a star from being a star regardless of what the platform is that, you know,

causes them to break through. Well, take one to no one. Well, thank you, man. Phampin, I see you out here. I appreciate you. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Oh, you saw the 200 million.

Oh, shut up, yo. Period. Jesus Christ. I love a brown girl brother. Don't carry out like that. Yeah. Don't do that. And don't be quiet just because he told you to.

No, because I got what I need to get out. And he's mad now, so it's fine. And I'm never quiet. It looked just like his happy face. He's just angry. Jesus Christ. Even Marcel, ladies and gentlemen, it's the breakfast club. I love you, Eva.

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