The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Fat Joe On How The World Changed On Him, Drake-Kendrick, Latinos For Trump, Big Pun's Legacy + More
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Wake that ass up.
Early in the morning.
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Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy Jess Hilarious,
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The future man, New York City.
That's right
Man don't say that
I'm out the way
On stage during the rallies
I'm not a politician. I would never be a politician. Hear me out. You are don't naturally Joe
Yeah, but a politician to hip-hop not a politician politician I can't do it trust me guys your speech was great though and people love you Joe on both sides no but Pennsylvania
you know it's me all the time LL's wife Simone be like yo you got a run for mayor
you got a run for mayor Joe I'll be like you're you crazy I'm not I got nothing
to do with that sometimes people see things in you
that you don't see in yourself yet, Joe.
I just fight for the people no matter what.
And that's it.
I don't wanna be in politics like that.
Matter of fact, I might take three years off
of politics right now.
I'm discouraged.
How are you feeling?
How are you doing, Joe?
I'm good, man.
You know, it's a little tough.
You know, we've been dealing with a lot of deaths lately,
and sometimes that get to me,
but I've been dealing with this so much in my life
that I think I've been real strong,
you know what I'm saying?
So, you know, all our friends been passing
from Clark Kent to Fat Man Scoop to Chubby Baby
to my man Percy to my brother last week.
It's just over.
Raul last year.
Raul, like that's, you know, it's on,
are you dealing with it though?
Devil working?
Are you dealing with it?
How are you dealing with it?
Yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
I'm strong, man, I'm stronger than I thought I would be.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, you know it's hard when you gotta tell your moms,
you know, her favorite son died
and I gotta fly to Miami to tell her all that tell his son
It's it's really hard. I'm gonna be honest. I seen you say that yesterday
How do you know your favorite mom like your mom's favorite son?
I don't know live is what it is. We knew that my whole life. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. That's a favorite
Son, you know what I'm saying? And my mom's went up to the casket so my mom she's a cancer survivor so she talks with the machine and the thing she was saying to my brother before
we bury it was crazy she was like you know you come back to life I would want
to be your mother again like it was just crazy it was crazy but you know we keep
it moving we got an album coming out on Friday the world changed on me mm-hmm
I'm so proud of that work mm-hmm know I'm saying so proud how, the world changed on me. I'm so proud of that work.
You know what I'm saying? So proud of that.
How has the world changed for you?
You see what's going on out there.
It's like I'm the last ungentrified MC.
You know, my music gangster, my daughter be like,
yo, dad, look at what you said.
I'm like, yo, I'm not gonna buy a new Ice Cube album.
He gonna talk about he a grandfather.
Like I wanna hear him speak gangster.
You know what I'm saying?
So my music is ungentrified.
It's like raw, it's gangster, it's dope.
Know what I'm saying?
We got something for everybody.
And so, you know, the world has changed.
Every which way you could think about it.
This ain't the same world we grew up
I'm saying this is a real tough time
tough time how is that Joe changed fat Joe has changed where um I
Stick to whatever's normal. Mm-hmm. My circle gets smaller and smaller and smaller and
You know, unfortunately sometimes people we love,
we catch them doing things they ain't supposed to do.
So we gotta get them up out the way.
And that's hard too, being the boss.
Pays the cost to be the boss.
This is hard being the leader, being the boss.
When you gotta regulate everything,
and the way we move, we move by loyalty and morally, right?
So we we cleanse all that out the way is
Sad hey guys financially. I'm doing fantastic
I'm doing just fine
They would go with the new project, you know besides the paradise joint is very street
Hmm. Now did you did you you wanna keep it that way?
Because you could've talked about a lot of the other things
that you're going through.
Like, you were on the road for Kamala,
you got your own show.
You're doing the Dick Clark New Year's Eve special.
Yeah.
Yeah, but still, man.
I am who I am musically.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's entertainment,
and I like to make that type of music
You know I'm saying and so of course I like to talk my shit
You know I'm saying and so that's what it's always been for me. So I don't want to change up for nothing
I want you to get it and be like either you like yeah crack or you like damn. He's still talking crazy
You know, it's a vice versa. I remember the last project I put out with Dre
Naza hit me up and was like damn first bar you talking about the coke the day I'm like, yo
Cuz you know, it's just because your status as society and all that it starts
Making you question how you making your music. I grew up on real pure hip-hop street hip-hop
Gangster culture. I always
say I was young GZ before young GZ. So I'm going to talk my talk regardless. You know
what I'm saying? So I don't like to let my family status or who I am now affect the purity
of my music. I wanted to sound like Joey from 1993, Joey from 1995, Joey from 2000, 2004.
I can't, otherwise I can't do it.
If you want me to sit up here and preach to you
and be like, yo, this that Calvin,
let's shoot a one and that's not what I'm doing.
And you love violence.
I was watching the old breakfast club interview
and you, the way you talk, no, he said it.
That's what his, his word.
He said, I love violence.
I used to love violence.
You used to love violence.
Now I got security.
That's a gentrified answer.
Now I got security.
But that's a smart answer though.
I said that, but so you said that you're
the last un-gentrified rapper,
but when you answer questions like that,
that's a great smart but gentrified answer
and that's where it should be, so why not?
Not a gentrified answer, it's a, I don't wanna go to jail answer. It's a smart smart but gentrified answer and that's where it should be. So why not? Not a gentrified answer, it's a,
I don't wanna go to jail answer.
It's a smart answer.
Yes.
But why, so in the music, right?
Like why, what's wrong with like,
the rappers that are after you,
what's wrong with them being the gentrified artist?
Or like, what is a gentrified artist then?
Well, meaning that, you know,
like they asking me right now,
like yo Joe, as many routes you could have went,
why is your album so hard?
Right.
That's who I am.
And I'm not gonna change.
And so a lot of other artists, you know what I'm saying,
they change when they, definitely when they get to my age,
or they from my era, their music sound different.
Or they're talking about,
they used to have the bubble goose
in front of the store in Queens, this. I'm not used to nothing, I'm popping right now.
So I'm talking that shit right now.
We popping right now and it's a hard job.
Let me tell you something,
stay popping all the way till you out of here.
That's the goal.
Jadis said, we don't wanna hear about the more niggas
that had it be the same old niggas that radded. We don't wanna hear about them old niggas that had it, be the same old niggas that ride it.
Like, we don't wanna hear about you used to be poppin',
you had a fly, this, this, that.
You know, I'm not with that.
I wanna do this till it's over.
You know what I'm sayin'?
Be fly, pull up in sables, and Louis shit,
and just every time you see me, you know what I'm sayin'?
You know, even on a bummy damn fly than everybody.
You know what I'm sayin'? But you say you don't like day, I'm flying with everybody. You know what I'm saying?
But you say you don't like violence, Joe,
but we hear stories.
I love violence, but of yesteryear.
But no, we hear stories now.
I can't do nothing to nobody.
No, you don't hear nothing.
What's the boxer name, Plant?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He had it coming.
See what I'm saying?
He had it coming.
No, no.
He had it coming.
Because the thing is, no, I could tell you the truth.
Okay.
Because he skipped out on the truth.
Okay, okay.
I'm not to be played with.
So let's be clear.
I don't love violence and this and that.
Just don't, I feel like, yo, bro, don't you know?
What's the problem?
Don't, well, you don't believe the stories, don't you know?
Like I respect them.
What's gonna happen to you?
Respect me, I'm an elder, I'm an. What's going to happen to you? Respect me.
I'm an elder.
I'm an OG.
I'm walking through mine and my business.
He come up on me because he want to fight Edgar Balanga.
He's like, yo, man.
He was talking crazy and jumping like almost
like he wants to swing.
This world, attention, viral, all that stuff.
You know, as far as I'm concerned,
he had a camera dude with him
and it just didn't go his way.
Know what I'm saying?
Cause I let him know, I said, yo bro,
I can't tell you, I was like, yo I'm back.
He said, how did the-
Well the network money just came in
and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I had to tell him, cause he was jumping up and down I'm back. He said, how did the? On the network when he just came in. No, no, no, no, no, no. How did the trail happen to come to the ground three times?
Because he was jumping up and down
like he was ready to hook off.
And I was like, yo, bro, you, you,
you will be eliminated.
If you punch me, you're gone, bro.
Like this ain't fighting.
Like you're gone.
Like this ain't like, and he're gone like this ain't like and he
stopped like he because it's very rare somebody tells you something in another way like that
like in human life when you tell somebody yo my man do you know what this is he was like oh wow
the troll is is over like you know i'm saying i was with my wife. I was with my daughter He was very disrespectful this guy. I understand his boxing and all that but he came at me and he was what?
he was going like
By acting like he
I'm like your bro
Like he was about to spa
You got some sort of a wish. Witch hunting.
It's gonna be bad, bro.
Because I'm one of them guys that can't deal with it.
Not now!
I'm old, putting a lot of work in the game.
I'm well respected.
I can't do it.
But disrespect will not be tolerated.
Disrespect will not be tolerated. Irespect will not, of any, you know,
I guess now you could diss me on Twitter,
you can diss me on social media, you know,
cause they diss me every day.
I don't know, do they diss you every day?
I don't look.
They do.
What?
I'm sure they do, but I don't look.
Do they diss you every day?
Every day, yeah.
I'm like every other day.
Oh no, no, they diss me every day.
If I want to feel horrible, I'll just throw on X.
Like, fat fuck, your mother, do this and this.
I'm like, oh, wow.
You know what I'm saying?
The only thing that does for me is let me know that that,
because you know I'm a legend.
You know, people celebrate me in a different way,
iconic, this, this, that.
And so if you stay in that lane,
you wouldn't realize that the danger's on the other side
of the door.
But the ex lets me know, oh, there's people who think this way?
We gotta be careful.
We gotta watch what we do because, you know, people tell you enough, you gotta believe
what they saying.
So you be like, all right, cool.
I see it.
You know what I'm saying?
I see what it is.
But other than that, I get nothing but love.
I was about to say, I don't really think I've ever really heard somebody just playing with you like that and you know
That guy played with me. That's why I have to stop him. There's a way to make a guy do the electric boogie real quick like
Homeboy was like yo this this I said, bro
He looked at me his whole face drop. He's like, oh, he never been told what I told them
And my daughter said in real life that in real him. And my daughter said, in real life, dad?
In real life.
You talk to him like that in real life?
I said, man, he was acting like he was gonna punch me
in my face in front of all these people.
We can't go for that.
He said, you told him, how does it feel
having to get off the ground three times?
Yeah, he got knocked out three times.
Why you talking to me crazy?
You just got knocked out three times.
What are you talking about? Yeah. What are you talking to me crazy? You just got knocked out three times. What are you talking about?
What?
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
You want the smoke?
But that's a part of their, like, the new age of things.
Like you said, there's the cameras, he's recording,
and you resonate with so many different generations
because of the stuff that you do.
No, I'm with it.
But how do you, I guess how do you,
it doesn't happen a lot, but in preparing
to deal with that stuff, like how do you prepare
to deal with that?
Because you can't.
I just don't really go out much.
Okay, because you know.
What I do is I sit on my couch, I mind my business,
I have security, former police officers,
like we not going to trouble, we not getting in no type,
deal with them, don't deal with me, you know what I'm saying?
But me personally, I never get approached like that
or played with like that.
You know, this guy, I get it, he was boxing,
he wants to go viral, whatever the case may be.
You're not going viral, even if you miss swinging on me,
there's repercussions for that.
I just want the respect that former godfathers
had when I was coming up. Certain guys we knew not to play with. We just ain't play with them. Yo, this guy's with his wife,
his family. Don't play with them. Like you want to play with them? Nah. Now you
mentioned you were with your daughter. Yes. How is Fat Joe as a father? You just asked
me that behind the scenes. I am the greatest father on earth. But now your daughter's getting to the age
when she's in college and she's gonna start dating.
She's dating.
I follow her Instagram
until she's so fly. How is Joey Crack
as a father with a dating daughter?
I love this guy.
Actually, I like him.
I would have loved him if he wasn't dating my mom.
I know what you're saying.
Beautiful guy.
His family comes from a great family.
And we love the kid.
They grew up, we got pictures of them two years old.
We on vacation with the family.
And I noticed in all them pictures,
he's standing next to ass the whole time.
He's in every pic like two years old,
three years old, four years old.
I'm like, yo, it's a beautiful guy.
You know what I'm saying?
I got mad love for him, but with my daughter, I'm really hands on, you know what I'm saying? I got mad love for him, but with my daughter,
I'm really hands on, you know what I'm saying?
And people say that divorce doesn't affect families,
but to me it really does.
No matter, you can lie and feel better if you want,
but a dad present, you know what I'm saying,
takes it a long way.
We gotta teach our daughters how to respect themselves But a dad present, you know what I'm saying, takes it a long way.
We gotta teach our daughters how to respect themselves
and know that a man gotta respect you.
So I give my daughter everything so she can know
whoever come up behind me,
he gotta do even better than that
or he gotta respect the culture, whatever is going on.
And I'm just from that school of,
if I got it, we all got it.
You know what I'm saying?
So she's living a little house on the prairie.
You know what I'm saying?
Now she's, you see, you follow her on Instagram.
That's crazy to me.
That's crazy to me.
She's always on the fashion blogs.
Her and your wife, they're always on the blogs.
This girl, her and my wife, boy, let me tell you something.
These people run it up.
I'm trying to tell you.
That's why I'm still putting music out.
That's why I'm trying to stream.
I'm trying to stream.
You're talking to your accountant.
What?
I'm trying to stream.
Let me tell you, it be the head, the leg, the scarf.
No, my accountant, we call him Dr. Def.
The shoe, every detail be hitting.
Wow.
They call him Dr. Def.
I call him Dr. Def.
Why?
Nobody like to deal with the accountant.
Who love it?
Who love when it's tax time?
You sit down. I want to know the great American that loves it to sit down.
And these accountants, they're like, they're numb.
You know if you go to a doctor, the doctor tell you, yo, you're sick, we gotta fight for your life.
He does 20 surgeries a day. He talks to you like none with no compassion.
Accountants talk to you with no compassion.
I'm like, hey, this is the number.
No, but I had to go to the jungles of Shaolin.
I almost got shot for that.
Chuck like, well, they went their half, Joe.
You got to always know you have a partner.
Word, word.
Be like, no.
Word.
The plane was shaking.
It's crazy.
I gotta ask about dog house, right?
Now the dog house, you say-
You gotta put them in the dog house.
I know, but I wanna reverse that.
When's the last time you been in a dog house
in the relationship?
Many a time, many a time.
It's like, you know, sometimes, you know what's wow is,
well, I live in the projects, right?
And it was a two bedroom, but the smallest bedrooms,
we were stuck in apartment five.
Now that I know and my ceilings are so big,
the house is so big, we was in each other's face.
There was times I wouldn't talk to my father
for three, four months, walk around the house, eat my
food, this, because you know my father was tough. And you know the worst thing you could
do is break communication, whether it's your kids, whether it's your wife, and you know
she'll walk around for three months not talking to me like, I'm like aw man something got
to give, you know what I'm saying, then I gotta go talk to all of them. You know, I know how to do this.
That's where the politics come in.
I gotta talk to Tyrell, I gotta talk to Lauren Reidinger,
you know, all her influential friends
and be like, yo, this is terrible.
Like, I'm getting played here.
That's why you gotta put them in the dog house.
That's an un-gentrified song.
It's an un-gentrified song. Ain't nobody talking about the dog house.
You know your man Chris Rock, it's his favorite song,
but of course he lost 40 million in a divorce.
Anybody who took that L like that,
they wanna put him in the dog house.
That's the dog house, probably my favorite song
on the album. That's crazy.
You got Chris on the album.
You and Chris got a real close relationship?
Yeah, we cool.
We see each other at the games.
We big Nick fans.
So I was like, yo bro, I need you.
We were at Nas' 50th birthday party
and his speech was so incredible.
I said, yo Chris, man,
I never heard nobody say what you said.
I said I need you to say that on my album.
He's like, he pulled up, Uber,
walked in there, did whatever he had to do,
then he just left like in an Uber like a normal guy.
I don't know how to do that.
You know what I mean?
Everything gotta be, you know, yup.
You know, yeah, yeah, everything gotta be, you know. Yup.
Now did you feel when the dude from the Dodgers,
Herendes, blamed you for performance
for the reason the Yankees lost the World Series?
They did you dirty with the mics, man.
You know, I'm not premeditated enough, right?
So somebody like a Jay-Z would have thought about,
what if we lose?
I never thought that.
I'm like, yo, it's Yankee Stadium,
my favorite team, my whole life.
I'm coming out there, this, this, that.
I'm representing the Justice the Puerto Ricans
the night before Trump.
So I came out there talking about Puerto Rico.
So I'm like, it's up, right?
Then they lose.
And now you have Fat Joe, you're the jinx.
I'm like, yo bro, they was down too.
But the guy, that's me, I'm cool with it.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm cool with a guy.
You know, that's his choice.
So what I didn't know was so personal.
Like it could have been the Dodgers.
It could have been the Blue Jays.
It could have been anybody that we was just you know
I was celebrating the World Series they you know LA sometimes they really take it LA New York
You know I'm saying I ain't look at it like that
I was happy when I seen Ice Cube come out there and kill that you know I'm saying and I loved it
I loved the whole experience about it, so hip dissing me. It don't mean nothing to me. You know what I'm saying? I get dissed all the time.
But you performed at Yagystead many times.
But the audience at night?
I practiced three times
where the music was perfectly fine.
First of all, Jesse Collins did it.
Not only Jesse Collins did it,
the guy, I don't want to disrespect him,
the guy who plays the instruments with the beard.
Questlove?
Not Quest.
The other guy.
He does everything.
He's the biggest.
I'm sorry for disrespecting you if I don't know you.
You might have to chop it up.
The guy who plays the instruments for everybody, right?
So I had the two best guys in the world.
So we went through the rehearsal
and it was perfectly fine.
And so when it came on, it was a delay in my ear thing.
And I'm trying to catch it.
They did me dirty.
You felt it in the moment.
Did you know you were like, oh shoot.
I'm telling you, I was there.
This is Jesse Collins.
I know.
So by the way, you're there from the morning to the night.
They don't even allow you to go home.
Right.
When you deal with Jesse Collins, you're kidnapped.
So we went over that three times and it was perfectly fine.
And then when the actual thing comes on, it's a delay.
You know, I perform every night.
It's never a delay.
It's not going to be a delay on a Dick Clark special New Year's Eve.
I don't know what happened.
It was a delay.
I'm not making excuses.
I performed those same three songs every single day.
It's not my fault the thing was delayed.
I don't know what to tell you.
I still, I still enjoyed it.
Would you go back and do it again?
Of course I would.
Yo listen, I grew up in the Bronx and you look young so this would sound like a cap,
but if you Google the Bronx looked like Ukraine,
like people blew up the buildings.
I don't know, I'm not responsible for it.
But where I grew up, the whole Bronx was flatlined.
I'm telling you the truth, and look, bombs, right?
We played on rubble.
We didn't play in parks. We played on buildings that were
broken, right? Abandoned buildings. Like I say, the biggest gang in the Bronx was the
stray dogs. First thing in the morning, a hundred stray dogs is out there. And boy,
you better stay away from the stray dogs, right? So the only inspiration I had growing
up, I was five minutes away from Yankee Stadium,
was the Yankee Stadium. They had the light when they had a night game. We would go over there.
The Yankees mean everything to me, you know what I'm saying? So to be tapped.
And I believe I deserved it. Thank you for sticking up for me.
But I believe I deserved to perform there. Yo, this, this, that.
How about they were picking some names from New York
that with no disrespect.
There was white guys looking at me in Yankee Stadium
like, who's that?
And I got anthems.
I'm pretty much a superstar.
I do, Dick Clark, I do stadiums.
I just, they were looking at me like,
they were waiting for, don'tin' with Cotton Eye Joe,
Cotton Eye Joe, and there's a special crowd out there.
But you're also synonymous with New York.
If you think New York hip hop.
Yeah, but if you get one of these underground rappers,
yo, throw this guy, like he was not gonna do better.
Who was the underground he was naming though?
Cause I don't know where Jadakiss was at the time.
They was naming everybody.
I didn't hear a lot of people, I only really heard four.
It was either Joe, 50, Kiss or Ho. That know the names I heard. Well, those are big names.
That's not what I was talking about.
Maybe I'm too much into the underground blogs.
Oh yeah, I didn't see that.
I only saw those.
Yeah, they was naming some underground guys.
I'm like, yo, them boys would have been lost in the water.
I'm not talking about 50 cent, old War Jadakiss.
But it was an honor.
Especially with LA having Cube, you got to have a New York staple.
That's right.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple.
They got to have a New York staple. They got to have a New York staple. They got to have a New York staple. They got to have a New York staple. They got to have a New York staple. I'm not talking about 50 cent old war jaded kids, but it was an honor.
Especially with LA having Cube,
you gotta have a New York staple.
Who's that?
They got Cube, so you need a New York staple.
From the Bronx, Only Masons.
Today was a good day.
One of the best hip hop records.
And it sounded crystal clear when it came on too.
That's what made me so mad.
It sounded crystal clear.
Yo!
Crystal clear.
Once again, whether you wanna call it cap or not,
I was there all day, I rehearsed three times that day,
and when I went out there to perform,
it was a delay on the joint, it was crazy.
I don't know what to tell you.
I don't get nervous.
Now, I wanna go back to the album.
They don't love you.
They don't love you.
Nobody, it says, what is it?
Nobody wins when the family feuds.
Don't ask me no questions about Remy and Papoose.
Well, you heard it.
Why you asking me questions about Remy and Papoose?
I'm not asking you about that.
I just wanna know, how many times have people asked you
about that when you had to put that in the song?
A lot, you know what I'm saying?
Beyond the scenes, family, friends, this, this, that.
And I don't, I can't tell you.
Don't ask no questions about Redmond Pat Poole.
It's real.
Plus, I don't know nothing.
You don't know nothing because you don't ask?
No, I just don't know nothing.
Like, I don't know what to tell you.
It's Halloween, the whole family comes to my house.
That's my goddaughter.
She runs my house.
So she comes in.
My goddaughter.
You see, this is why I'm trying to tell you, when you deal with kids with love,
they know their love.
Like, there's nothing she can't do.
She just gets up.
She runs the whole house.
And then she comes to my room in my room.
I have more pictures of her than
anybody so I got like four pictures of her. So she brings her cousin to the house and
she's like, yeah, yeah, come here for me. Look, look, Pop Pop got my, you know, her
cousin's like, you need another one. I think five is better. These kids are funny. So according
to me, we good.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know.
When you talk about the world changing, right?
Like the metrics for what's successful have changed too.
Like it's just not the same.
Like ain't no 10 times platinum.
It's no, it's nothing that happens.
So what's considered successful music?
This is music out of love.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If it does great, it does great.
I always make money through streaming.
See, you gotta
understand this ain't a first week thing back in the days we like you sell a
first week and they project what you make it's gonna be making money for 20
30 years when people pick it up see the way the streaming works is if you listen
to the album he listens he listens she listens enough of us listen that goes as
a sale so we're not selling physical copies where people got to stand outside
online. You just download it on your phone and it just keeps making money forever. You know what
I'm saying? And I wanted content out there. Tell you the truth. I thought about this question.
I retired from hip hop. It's no lie. I was doing shows, TV, whatever.
And when Killer Mike won that Grammy,
the next day I was in the studio with Dre.
I was like, yo, Dre, Killer Mike, you heard his album?
He was like, yo, I gotta join on there.
I'm like, yo, let's get in the studio.
They finally giving them out to the right people.
And so I was like, yo, let's get in the studio, let finally giving them out to the right people. And so I was like, yo, let's get in the studio.
Let's work.
Let's make this album.
So if it wasn't for Killer Mike, I'd
have been all the way retired.
You know what I'm saying?
And I remember getting a call.
And not like I get a call every day,
but I got a call from Eminem convincing me not
to retire when I retired.
Joe, you're one of the last ones left.
You dope.
I was like, yo, man, I'm out of here with this. But when're one of the last ones left. You dope. I was like yo man I'm
out of here with this. But when Killer Mike won the Grammy I said oh see I never
looked at people with jealousy. I always looked at it as inspiration. When somebody gets
something I said oh wow we could get that. Somebody get a flyer house car this. I'm
like oh we could get that. These people get money we could get that. You know what I'm like, oh, we could get that. These people get money, we could get that. You know what I'm saying?
At this point, it ain't like no amount of money
that we can't get.
You know what I'm saying?
Look at these guys you got on the wall,
Martin Lawrence, Will Smith.
Who's that, Lena Waif?
You up there?
No, they all rich.
You up there too?
Yeah, yeah, I'm up there somewhere.
Yeah, right there in the corner.
I'm in the section eight.
Nah, you got DMX up there, Big Daddy Kane,
Charlie Murphy, Jennifer Lewis, Norrie,
Easton Ray right there.
All right, who's the woman right there, Maxine Waters?
No, that's Jennifer Lewis.
Yeah.
Okay, God bless.
Yeah, that's Jennifer Lewis.
Easton Ray right there.
Yeah, yeah, Norrie of course.
Yeah, they all got money, man.
You know what I'm saying? I wanna be on that type of Ray right there. He's in there. He's in there. Norrie, of course.
Yeah, they all got money, man.
You know what I'm saying?
I want to be on that type of war right there.
You know what I'm saying?
Remember when you said that Drake and Kendrick beef was over because Kendrick was taking
too long?
Yeah, I thought it was over.
That's when the rock...
The only thing that I know.
All right, so listen.
Nothing, Ajo.
All right, go ahead.
Remember you said that?
And sometimes people act like my voice ain't powerful
if I'm gonna be conspiracy Joe.
He threw that record out right after Fat Joe said that.
Next day that joint was up.
Oh Fat Joe think it's over?
It's on.
I don't know.
I didn't think it was over.
I just said Kendrick was on the clock.
I felt this thing.
I'm like, man it's taking a while.
It's taking a while but we didn't know
he was making chapter 36.
The 36 chambers of Wu-Tang.
So you don't believe that Drake is still getting dragged for that song?
He heard, so Kendrick heard you had to drop the song, now Drake's still getting dragged.
I don't know if he... Look.
It's crazy because he took a long time, but...
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He finished it in a week. Kendrick finished it in like four days.
Listen guys, you know,
hip hop, we've been battling forever. You know what I'm saying? Somebody got to win, we been battling forever.
You know what I'm saying?
Somebody gotta win, somebody gotta lose.
And you know, with me, you know, maybe because I'm older,
I measure this a whole different way.
And this is terrible because this ain't good culturally,
but you know, from where I stand, you know what I'm saying?
You know, they both good. That's all I could that's all I could say
You know I'm saying they both good. They both wealthy at this point. They're both doing great and um, I
Don't know that I don't want to say yo, they're moving on cuz then didn't check the 36 Mike
66 might come out. I don't know
might come out. I don't know. I don't know. You got a lawsuit. What did you think of the lawsuit? What did you think of the lawsuit? He's filing a petition. I don't have no comment on that.
You know what I'm saying? You've been standing by that no comment. I said,
this is the second time I heard you say that no comment. Because I really don't have a comment
because like I said, I'm morally right. I'm loyalty. You know what I'm saying? I just,
you know, I got a no comment that. You know what I'm saying? That ain't, you know what I'm saying? I just, you know, I got a no comment that.
Know what I'm saying?
That ain't, you know what I'm saying?
What do you think about the lawsuit?
I thought that the timing was horrible for Drake.
I thought that the timing made him look like a simp.
I thought that, yes.
I thought that I understood.
I'm just telling the truth.
I thought that I understood though, the business of it if that conversation is true. There's arguments that it's not
What do you think about the lawsuit? I think it was bad timing. You think bad time you did it on a great time
But not after he just released his album and everybody's talking about the Super Bowl
He's they're talking about it too much.
And anything he does, he can say it's not towards Kendrick, it's against UMG.
People are gonna put it towards Kendrick.
It's gonna make him look crazy.
I think if he wanted to do it, I think do it later on.
And I think he needs to come back with an album where he's rapping.
Like no singing, no album with party, just rap.
And everything he feels, put in his lyrics.
You think that's it?
I think he should just chill.
No, because I feel like-
Chill or retirement?
No, not retirement.
Not retirement.
Chill, just like give it a beat because I feel like,
I like Drake, but I think timing is always,
it's gonna be horrible for him for a little bit.
Let us get through the Superbowl, the Grammys.
Drake still gets busy, man.
He still gets busy.
I'm just, he got, he's Drake.
Let him rap.
Let him rap.
No.
I mean, I think whenever you a multi-billion dollar entity,
you gonna have a problem with somebody labeling you
a pedophile or some type of sexual offender.
So I don't have no problem with that.
But the problem I have is him challenging a system
that he's benefited from.
Like all of those performance enhancing drugs,
the label gave the song or whatever,
Drake, you benefited from that your whole career.
So that's the issue I got.
It's like you're telling on yourself.
You cut your own legs off.
You turned it on us.
Now it's your turn.
No, I said I had no comment.
But what I'm saying to you is,
sometimes the artists,
see what happens with record labels,
let me just tell generically,
what happens with major record labels,
to be honest with you,
because I'm independent 15, 16 years,
is a lot of times these
artists don't know how these records are getting played a lot of they don't know the workings
they don't even want to do an interview they don't know what's going on so they don't know how these
records are getting promoted they don't know what's being done to make you the hottest in the world
but you know that's why I can't give no comment
because to me a rap battle's a rap battle you move on.
You know what I'm saying?
Anything should be able to go in a rap battle.
For the most part.
Everything has been able to go.
Fat Joe has been a fat fuck, elephant in the room,
my wife on the disc cover, my dick, like, you know,
hip hop is terrible once you go in the yard, I think J Cole knew this
I think he just said oh this is too nasty for my liking
Let me just bow gracefully and you know, it depends like
Who wants 50 cent on the ass?
50 cent on you. It's a terrible day
50 cent on you, it's a terrible day. Like, yo, my God.
Like, I dealt with that for seven years.
But y'all made it look good.
One of my favorite moments at the MTV Awards,
when you went on stage and you was like,
I feel so comfortable here,
because of all the police security,
courtesy of 50 Cent of G Unit.
That was fantastic.
Yeah, yeah, the jails rang off with that.
You know, like, I was big in the jails. You know what I'm, yeah. The jails rang off with that.
I was big in the jails. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, thank God. You know, but
at the end of the day, we're talking about two brothers that are wealthy. I really want to say they're not rich guys. They're wealthy. They love their families. We love them both as artists.
There's no question about that.
And maybe everybody moves on.
I don't know, it's not my business.
Last time I said that, the guy dropped 36 changes.
I'm minding my business.
You know, when people say things like,
yo, you think Drake and Kendrick could ever be cool?
I'm like, well, 50 and Joe are cool.
Nas and J are cool.
They could be cool.
When time dies down. I think time will go. When time dies down, they could be cool. They could be cool. When time dies down.
I think time will go.
When time dies down, they could be cool.
They could get money together.
Who knows what the future.
We don't know about the future.
But the world changed on me.
The future is not...
The more the world changes on you, Joe,
the older you get,
the more death happens around you.
Do you ever feel like you wanna reach out to like
old homies and like bury the hatchet?
No.
And so, I need them niggas away from me, far.
I need them away from me, man.
You know, my thing is, and it's crazy,
cause I looked at this one interview I did recently.
So just like you looked at it, when I go somewhere,
I look at the old interviews I did here.
Or if I'm going on math, I look at the old interview
I did with Amor, Drink Champs, or whatever.
So I looked at one interview where I was just saying,
we really stick by morals and loyalty,
all the way down to my mother, bro.
I swear to God.
You know, we did my brother, my brother was kingpin, right?
He was the boss, I was number two
when we was in the streets.
In his funeral, the whole back was either former
or kingpins now. The whole back.
Anybody you ever heard a name of in the streets
driving Lamborghinis and this and throwing the biggest,
the whole back, you can't be a rat
and get them people to come to your funeral.
You can't be a sucker, you can't be immoral,
you can't be not living by the code.
So my thing is, you know, so my thing is
We choose it listen Breakfast Club is a great concept and it wins
You might go solo and it don't work. You might say you're on the star. I'm Lauren Hill
I'm this you might go solo it don't you might go solo it don't work. We love you all together
So every now and then you got people
who wanna be ex-communicados.
You know, they wanna be like they think they could do it.
And then once they do it and you step over here
and you do it with disrespect, can't come back.
That's how we work.
And guess what?
The guys who stood, they're all rich.
In fact, they're filthy rich, these people.
These guys, everybody who stood is rich.
Everybody's just, you know, if it's about monetary,
everybody's good.
It's just about you chose the wrong path,
and once you choose the wrong path, you can't come back.
And sorry for you.
Sometimes when somebody does something stupid we like, man you went
there. You know me, you know when you got Fat Joe loving you, there's nothing he won't
do for you. And so, you know to lose that on this earth, there's so many fake friends, disloyal people.
I won't disrespect none of my team for money.
I won't disrespect my man's wife.
I won't do none of that.
Like when you got a guy like that who's solid with you
and you go the other way, it tells a lot about you.
Now you said The World Changes on me
is the album that comes out this Friday.
And when you talk about the world changing,
what are the things in the world that you like,
I just, there's no way, there's no morals,
there's no none of that, the things that you just said.
Damn.
That's hard to say with a title like that.
How are you Latino when you vote for Donald Trump? When they say Puerto Rico's a dump, garbage, trash, a diss.
See the thing about Puerto Ricans is they do it to me, like to me.
And if you ask me, I think I'm king of the English speaking Puerto Ricans.
I tell you the truth. And every time I go, my nephew, the English-speaking Puerto Ricans. I'll tell you the truth.
And every time I go, my nephew, he was born in Puerto Rico.
He says, yo, when I go over there
and I go vacation or something, he says,
yo, you went to my island.
You went to my island.
Mine. My island.
Every Puerto Rican, that girl right there tell you,
my island.
They really think they own something over there, right?
And the man disrespect your island. And you talk about that's your president, this and this and that, right? And the man disrespect, you're highland.
And you talk about that's your president,
this and this and that, and you go vote for him?
It's disgusting, the world changed on me.
Where's your morals?
Where's your pride?
That was the conversation I had.
That's all I could say, you know what I'm saying?
And it's just so many different,
I don't wanna take it political,
but it's just so many ways that this world is changing it.
I just don't understand it, you know what but it's just so many ways that this world is changing it I just don't understand it. You know I'm saying sometimes things happen in this world where
These are horse and buggy. I feel like the horse and buggy just got turned into the car or
The dial phone became a cell. I don't I'm confused
So I sit back and I'll be like Dan. There's everything weird right now
You know I'm saying so what I do is I just try to stay to the normal, you know,
the mayor is indicted.
Police commission is in one day.
Like this, this is not crazy to you guys.
It's like an episode of Power.
Question to you though,
because as like a person that like really feels like your family in Puerto
Rico.
Shout out to Maya.
I stand by the Maya gang.
Your family in Puerto Rico, that's like, this is my island, right?
Not even in Puerto Rico, here.
Here, wherever.
Your friend, if you went to vacation tomorrow to Puerto Rico, your best friend would be
like, my island.
And they tell you where to go.
All right, well your island is garbage according to these guys that you just voted for.
My question to you is though, right? Like not even just with like people that are Puerto
Rican, but just people in general that are from where you from, went through what you
went through. You said you are like the, you're a hip hop politician, you're for the people.
You were working on lowering the marijuana penalties with Kamala's team. You wouldn't
go across the aisle and work with Trump on that because your people need that?
I personally think I will never work with Donald Trump, just me.
I don't care what the glory is, what the thing is.
I don't care.
I've been fighting for healthcare price transparency, going to Washington for years, this, this,
that.
If he passed the law, I don't even think I could stand behind him and just be like,
okay, he passed the law.
I've been fighting for it for 10 years.
Just my personal opinion.
It is what it is.
You know what I'm saying?
Why do you fight for the healthcare so strong?
Is it a family member that went through something?
Because you've been on it for a long time.
Man, let me tell you something, man.
It's a lot of families out there hurting,
getting denied health coverage,
don't know what they paying.
When you see people limping across the street,
they know they gotta go to the doctor.
They scared to go in there and get the bill.
So many people, you got people who paid insurance
for 10, 20 years and then they get denied the coverage.
And so this is where you see this dynamic.
So it's over 100 million Americans that are in healthcare debt.
And so according to the census, it ain't but 300 million Americans.
So one out of every three people owes money to the hospitals.
And these guys is just running it up.
I do not condone the man getting killed the other day.
That's not what I'm saying guys.
I'm not with nobody.
But a lot of people hurting out there.
You know what I'm saying?
That's why I talk on behalf of that.
But just so that you know, if the man come right now and pass the law,
I'm not standing behind him.
Even if that's what I really want,
I've been fighting for that for five, six years.
Going to, you know, not doing that.
Know what I'm saying?
When you go into studio now
and you do albums like The World Changed on me,
what do you take from Big One?
I just think I'm the best.
Let's just talk about that. I just think I'm the best. Let's just talk about that.
Skillful, I'm the best.
So you can do whatever you want.
Everybody quietly, you listen to my album,
you listen to anybody else's album,
and you just see who's the best.
And so what I say is I'm alive.
Give me my flowers now.
Why I gotta die?
Why the game gotta die?
Why uncle Luke gotta die? Why didn't it tell him the truth?
All right up
No, I'm saying guys ain't moving like we moving like stop acting like that, you know what I'm saying, but you don't want to give it up
Like you know, so I just feel like I'm the best like I'm being honest with you
I'm I'm so proud of this album. I feel like I'm the best. Like I'm being honest with you. I'm so proud of this album.
I feel like I'm the best.
Do you take point with you in the studio?
And there was a one time, I got that for you.
Whenever I'm with Remy, I feel him in the studio.
When me and Remy work together, he's there.
You know, other than that,
I take everybody in the studio with me.
I take K.R.S., I take Rakim, I take Outkast, I take P.D. Pablo, I take everybody in the
studio with me.
Rick Ross, I take everybody in the studio with me.
And there's so much knowledge here, you know, of music that, you know, I go in there and
I start creating.
I start hitting different flows
I start picking different kind of music and every you know, I'm the best
Go get it. I wanted to ask you about Nas too
Cuz you said uh, you said Killer Mike inspired you when he won a Grammy Nas didn't inspire you when he won one
But what was it magic? Who wanted a magic prize? That's a crazy. That's a crazy question. But yeah, I guess so but um
Cuz he won one later in his career.
Yeah.
Last couple of years, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, but...
You guys are crazy.
You know, Nas is ill-matted.
Nas should have had 20 Grammys.
He should have been just stopped at it and said,
yo, lifetime achievement award, Nas. should have had 20 Grammys. They should have been just stopped at it and said,
yo, Lifetime Achievement Award Nas.
Like, cause the album Nas won with,
we don't compare that to Illmatic or Steelmatic
or nothing like that.
He should have been won it.
You know what I'm saying?
So when they gave it to him, it was almost like,
we've been frontin' on this guy for 20 years.
You know what I'm saying? So you know,
and so you know I felt he should have had 20 Grammys. It's crazy when you, you know the
Grammy is crazy too. Anyway that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother thing. So it's like you know
thank God they starting to embrace hip-hop culture. You know, P Rock and Common got nominated.
A bunch of guys got nominated.
I actually love that album.
But you know, they catching up.
You know what I'm saying?
Now you mentioned Remy, right?
She's on the Us record.
When is Remy gonna get back in the studio?
And how did you get-
When she got a whole album,
I don't know if it was for her to say it, but she ready, ready.
Right.
And how did you get Remy from?
Because usually Remy debos you and gets on every record that she wants, right?
And I seen her, what'd I seen?
I seen her at the Giants game.
I didn't know she was a Philadelphia Eagles fan, by the way, but I didn't know that, but
she is.
And I had to sit next to her the whole game, which was a problem.
But anyway.
But I'm sitting next to her.
Joe's like, where's your pride?
Where's your pride? Where's your pride?
Where's your pride?
But sitting next to her, it seemed like she loves motherhood so much.
We sat there for two hours talking about our kids.
I was like, damn, I don't know if Remy wants to do any more records.
She have, she, what time is it?
It's still early, right?
10.03 is yet.
She doing the girl hair right now, getting up for school, picking out the outfit.
My goddaughter's arguing with her.
She getting ready what she wanna wear.
She play like beautician with her.
You know what I'm saying?
Shout out Lil Loni too, so they get ready to go to school.
Like she's a real, real mother, hands on.
Like trunk or treat mother?
Like decorating the trunk, Remy Ma.
My thing is, you know, I had told her
since the baby was born, I was like,
yo, you know, get a nanny so that the baby,
you can move, like you're a rap superstar.
And she refused.
And I kept, every time she, every time,
bro, let's sit down, let's talk.
I'm like, I write it down and then I'm like,
nanny with a circle.
She be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, I'm not
leaving my daughter with nobody and then if you ain't family, like family, family, family, she
ain't leaving that girl with nobody and so I'm like yo this is what the rich people do. This is how
you get rich and get a nanny. Go do it. She's like nah, you know I'm with my daughter so uh
She's like, nah, you know, I'm with my daughter. So, nah, I love it.
You know what I'm saying?
I love it.
She's a real mother, hands on.
But the music is gonna be just chilling
till the nanny happens,
cause she can't move around if she drop the album.
No, she got music.
Remy Ma is locked and loaded, ready to go.
Video, shot, all type of stuff.
So what's the wait?
You gotta ask her.
You know what I'm saying? She's like, she's ready. She got a whole album ready ask her. You know what I'm saying? She's ready. She got a whole
album ready to go. You know what I'm saying? So it's on her when she start dropping music and it's
fire. Yeah when you released the what the Out of Control record right? Mm-hmm. Remi was spitting
crazy on that. That's not on this album was that on her album or was that was just a just a feed?
That was just a joint on the album and then I was
like you know what you know if I have my way well Paradise is number 10 rhythmic record in
in the United States right now. I dropped another single with Babyface number one most added record
so we actually moving right. I got you. Huh? I got you. With Babyface the Living Legend, right?
But my thing is, right, if I could take that off the album, I would too.
Because I just want you to hear a whole new fresh album.
That's how I feel.
I want everybody to hear a whole new fresh album.
Something they ain't hear when they get it, they're like, whoa.
Because I remember, you know, I'm a CD cassette tape you know I remember
listening to A.O. Maddick and the cassette for the first time you know I'm one of those so when I
make music I'm thinking hip-hop heads well they'll be older now but they sit in the car
they're about to drive somewhere and they throw that music on. Well now they'll stream it, but I want them to hear it brand new.
This is the intro, this is the diss, this is the dad.
Yo, he's spittin', yo, we talkin' about this.
The girls got everything they want, the guys got everything they want.
Bars, beats, you know what I'm sayin'?
Shout out to Cool and Dre, shout out to Street Runner, shout out to Don Cannon, everybody
that worked on the album.
I got a crazy white boy on the album, Tug of War.
He from UK.
He from the projects in the UK.
Outside with him.
No, I love him more for instant.
The Bad Mind record.
Yeah, so I'd see him on Instagram all the time.
I hit him up and was like,
yo, I wanna put you on the album.
We got Todd Dala on the album, Babyface, Remy,
Tone, Sunshine.
Would you sign new artists now, Joe?
Nah.
I'm done.
You're in rich, right there.
I'm just going to go back like nah.
Why, the headache?
Headaches.
It's just a lot, right?
First of all, chances of an artist now or anytime being loyal are close to none.
And so you take somebody.
All right, so God gives you, all right, don't know if you know my story.
I'm from the projects for real.
I know it.
From the real projects.
Sleeping on the floor because we didn't have AC.
It was too hot outside in the summer.
I sleep on the floor.
If I got through, I wipe my ass with newspaper. I'm from there, right?
So to have a miracle, God say, you're blessed. We're going to give you a chance. Look, you're
famous now, you got money. And you say, you know what? I'm going to bring some people
with me. I'm going to bring some people out the hood with me
and I'm gonna give them an opportunity. These guys got nothing. They have no way of getting to
Def Jam anybody. You give them a chance then they become millionaires and they turn, immediately the
cannons get like this. It goes from, yo, lawyer, this for life, this, this, this, and the candidates
go at you. And they say, you know, I'm a boss now. I don't want to be signed to you. I don't
want to this, this, this, this. I'm not talking about my experience. I'm talking about everybody's
experience in hip hop. For me, it left a bad taste. That's why I always say I could have
signed Rick Ross. I could have signed Pitbull. I could have signed them and them. I could have said it was just at a time
where I was just like, you know what? Just do you. And I'm a hit maker, which is hard
to do. You know what I'm saying? I watch moguls give hits away to artists that turned around
and returned fire and said, yo, you never did nothing for me. You, you ain't this and
that. So it's like, yo, you know, you think I'm dealing with that at this day and age.
I'm not dealing with that.
Now, if somebody, let's say Steve Stout, somebody came with the super bag and
said, yo, you can run this.
I might run it.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, I never turned down a good bag.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what this is, what it's all about.
But artists, no way.
It's just crazy because even with your album titled, The World Changed on Me, and then
here you say that.
When I listen to your interviews, you always tell stories of times where like, y'all had
like the cliques, like Irv Gotti, like 50 Cent G-Unit.
It seemed like everybody was together, but there is times that makes you be like, I don't
even want to bring people with me because there was a lot of other stuff happening too.
Well, I'm just telling you my experience.
Yeah.
When you look at somebody you took from nothing
and they become a millionaire and they popping
and they talking crazy about you, it's a different...
See, betrayal, that's the thing here.
He's always talking about mental health.
But betrayal, from the smallest to the biggest
it's the worst feeling in the world betrayal and so when you give people the opportunity to become
millionaires you never did nothing for me you just this that like man you couldn't even wash my shoes
you couldn't you couldn't wash my socks you know what i'm saying you can't wear my shoes, you can't wash my socks. You serious?
This and then, and that happens in the hip hop game.
I don't wanna feel that no more.
I feel it.
So I'm like, you know, I'm good.
Let me just work.
You know, and also,
So you got your heart broke before Joe.
Devastated.
A couple of times.
When you sit there and you just like,
wow, they made moves like that.
And you know, when my whole thing is based on loyalty,
my whole thing is based on, you know,
we better together, we stronger together.
You know, and then you defect,
then they defect and this, that shit is horrible to me.
I'm telling you what hurts me.
And I've seen it a million times in hip hop.
Just the way it is.
So for me to invest,
it's a big pun.
Big pun, all right, so Fat Joe is,
I can't explain it to you now with who the young guys are.
Right? But um you see
French Montana put out a record Gangster Show the year that I then he made another
move and put out Pop That with Drake Rick Ross this so you see the evolution
right so Fat Joe was on that projection as a rapper.
One of the first Latino rappers that was going.
So I put out one album.
I met Big Pun the last day on my second album.
I put him on the album immediately.
I stopped my career.
I was at my pop that.
I had the, who shot you?
Who do you think you talking to with Foxy Brown and LL
when I was on my projection turn around beat this guy was blown away and said let me stop
my career.
Where'd you meet pun for people that don't know?
In the bodega outside the bodega around my projects see nobody the world changed on me
too at that time.
Like nobody told me, yo, you're a rap star now,
so I'm still in the projects every day,
hanging out with them thinking this is all I know.
Right, so I live in Jersey, Edgewater,
but I'm coming to project every day.
So I meet him at the Bodegas, so I stop.
Is he big pun at the time or is he the slimmer?
He's big pun.
He ain't super big pun. He ain't super big pun.
Right.
He ain't the chicken Big Mac, but you know.
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Chicken Big Mac is crazy. That shouldn't even be made.
Yo, the Chicken Big... You tasted one?
No, I didn't.
Oh, my God.
The Chicken Big Mac is legend out here, man.
Yo, you better try the Chicken Big Mac, yo!
Holy...
Yo, will you try the chicken Big Mac.
I thought you was eating better.
I know I am, but somebody put me,
we went to the store one day, I said,
yo, I want to be fat.
So I gave the guy $100.
I said, just buy some unhealthy stuff.
And they came back with that chicken Big Mac.
I started eating my fingers like,
oh my God, this is illegal no it's illegal by the way so I go
so in any case we get with Steve Rifkin my mentor we sign pun and I use every juice of my projection on his album. You gotta understand, they didn't even know him.
So I gotta get Wyclef,
after he sold 30 million records with the Fugees,
to get and do a song with Big Pond.
Oh, classic.
Joe the singer who had just sold
600,000 records first week.
I gotta go to Kid D'Arm Asenberg and say,
I have an artist.
They're like, yo, you barely blew up. Like you an artist. And Joe shows up. So you use
all these elements to help somebody else. Then they blow up. And then, you know, even though
me and Pump, we never had an argument in our life But you know you see where that went after that when you just like
You know I'm saying and did you see something you created something you did something you did that
You can't really
Maneuver the right way
Fat Joe own big pun stuff. It would have been already already movies out
episode TV episodes this this that it would have been already movies out. Episode, TV episodes, this, this, that,
it would have been all that.
If everything was right and the blessing.
So that's part of like, you know what I'm saying?
You look at that, you go, this is crazy.
You know what I'm saying?
So me, I just stick to myself, work hard.
You got a phenomenal track record though.
I mean, cause without pun you don't get Remy,
you got the Calis, the Cool and Drey's, like you know, you got a phenomenal track record though. Because without Pun you don't get Remy, you got the Calis, the Cool and Dre's.
You got a phenomenal track record.
Oh no, I got the...
Tony Sunshine, I think Tony's phenomenal.
Yeah, Tony should have blew.
He's the only one I feel like I let down.
Even though I had Kelly writing the music,
T-Pain, these guys were the biggest songwriters
in the world.
It just, I don't think the world was ready to hear
Tony at that time.
You know, he was a Spanish kid doing black music.
It would have been now, he'd have been disgusted,
but he still fly.
And he's with us.
And he's loyal, he will always be with us.
So that means whenever you see how big Joe's going
and how big he's going, just know Tony sunshine
smiling too, you know what I mean?
He with us, he looks amazing, he's fly to death every day.
You know, we've been to so many funerals,
now I think that's the new club lift,
because Tony come in with a new fur, every funeral look.
I'm like, yo, you styling in the funeral funeral. It's like what you doing out here? Like, you know tone crazy, but I love tone
I got I got two questions for you. Mm-hmm
Big pun you said if you had owned everything there would been stuff out. I know that was like a long dispute
It's all done now, but that's not ever there's no way that that stuff is gonna happen
We're gonna see any of that ever still at this point. I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Okay.
You know, because sometimes it's almost like you and
you dealing with a guy, no matter how much you love the guy,
he hurt you so, so bad that you know there's always
that element that if you open that door,
you'll get hurt again.
And so once you got that closure, you just like,
I'm high. Got you. What's the other question? And then Ir that closure, you just like, I'm good.
I'm high.
Got you.
And then Irv, have you talked to Irv Gotti?
No, but I love Irv and I think about Irv
and I pray for Irv every day
because when we talk about loyalty and morals,
you know, the guy took care of me when,
you know, it was a time I really needed him.
So I super love Irv.
I'm actually a business partner with Chris
in the basketball app. And so we've been, you know, he gets me to all these hood games,
you know, because Chris Gotti so passionate about street ball. So that Clash TV, you know,
we're partners, you know, and we're Irv I never ever once again
And I know I sound like a sucker every time his name comes up
I do because I look at the interviews and I'm like Dan Joe you like a sucker when it comes to this guy
But it's just I love him so much
But I really meant no harm and and take anything away from him
I was just defending a girl that I consider my sister,
that I call her my sister every day.
To this day, she hits me up every day.
You know, the baby's beautiful, this and this and that.
So, it is what it is.
Well, that just sparked a third question.
What's that?
Because they were saying that Shanti's having another baby.
Is that happening?
Oh, I don't think so, but I wouldn't put it past it. That's the problem. I think I got
lied to. When I heard the information like you, I went straight to the first time. I
don't know if I'm being lied to. She might think I got a big mouth and I'll say something
here. You know what I mean? So I'm just-
Jopra. Jopra. I was gonna say-
You wanna know what's going on? I got the breaking news. I don't have the breaking news.
So when they act, I don't know if I got the correct answer.
We do a season two of Jopra? Of Fad Jo Speaks?
Yeah, yeah. Fad Jo Talks.
Fad Jo Talks?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We doing it. We started getting like, I think March shooting, probably February, March, and you know what,
TV, you know, it's a serious thing.
It's like, you know, you got to shout out to stars for supporting the vision.
But you know, we got to, you know, you know, I like, I love what we did.
Everything we do is positive,
everything's uplifting to people.
When you can take a guy like Khaled,
who came for nothing and do an interview
in front of a G6 500 to show little brown and black kids
that everything's possible.
When I see you stunt, I don't get jealous.
I'm not that guy.
I see young kids from Queens and all over the country seeing that you got it and they could get it
That's what this whole show is about
Inspiration so every now and then you know, you got it, you know, these are different type of people
So you gotta pull them to the side like no we're doing
We're doing this like this, you know, and uh, thank God they let me do it, but everything's about positivity,
but, you know, this next season,
I'm fighting to put, you know, everybody we got on there
is icons, Mary Jane Blige, this, this, this.
Met the man. So, but...
I want to bring a little bit more Streeter icons
on the show.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you know, when you deal with TV, you say that.
I'm not like that, but when you, when you, when you, when you, you know, when you bring,
you know, I want Young Thug on my show.
I want, you know, I want, you know, I want to talk that.
You know what I'm saying?
And then it's like when you deal with TV, it's like, yeah, they be like, I didn't know that.
That's kind of what you was doing when you had that show
where they had to come down into like that little,
it looked like a cave, what was that called?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Coca vision.
That's on titles, free too.
That's where I had 6ix9ine that time, you know what I'm saying?
All in, I had everybody,
but you could talk freely and do whatever.
You know, TV is a different type of thing. But so far, I've stood to everything
I always said I would do.
TV shows, Mavic, LeBron, Fat Joe, Black and Brown.
I have a series coming out with the Terero Brothers,
Dominican, Uly and Jesse,
and Kenya Barris, Black and Brown.
I went to Hollywood, and most people let them people
do what they want with them.
I can't do that.
That's the one based off your book?
Huh?
That's the one based off your book?
Yeah, yeah, the one based off the book.
Okay, okay.
So, but my thing is, I stand by what I say,
and I go out there and I do it.
And you know me, I've been praised,
and I've been let down, and all I know how to do is to keep moving,
moving forward and keep going for the prize
and going for the legacy.
We pretty good at that.
Last question for me.
The most influential rapper in hip hop history,
who is that?
Why you asking me that?
I'll tell you why after you answer.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you who I think.
I think it's Biggie Smalls.
Over LL?
Over LL.
Why?
Because there's nobody like B.I.G.
I mean, he changed the whole game.
He turned this game.
Like, you had to be there, MV, to go to his shows.
And the picket signs was outside and people were like
You know, it was around that bad boy time. It was it was an experience that
I've never experienced before now. My idol is LL Cool J
Is he correct? Yes, he's correct. Um, I think he should have just told me and let me say
Because that's what they mad at they mad at when you say it yourself, but I
Know he ain't brought he's changed the game in
Every day the prototype
My I do okay, you talking about the wrong guy. I don't disagree with you
I think he is the most important rapper in the thing. I do. But now if you ask me personally
Like we always love it you talking to the wrong guy I'm a sucker for LL Cool J
so I know what you talking about but as a whole of
Hip-hop I never seen nothing like B.I.G. I'm just gonna keep it real. What's that album with y'all? I don't know man. I don't know nowadays they say it's cap. I don't know what to tell you man
All I know is I say shit and all my shit is real
I don't know it never coming out, but when I say shit is real. I don't care who then who whatever
No, I'm saying what I'm saying?
And I'm so, what people gotta understand is that
I'm so accomplished.
I have anthems, I have money.
I'm a superstar, I have a great family, I have a diss,
I got whatever I want, I got a team.
I ain't got the cap.
When I talk, I mean it.
And it be, you know,
there's always something that's certified, right?
I told a story on Million Dollar Word for Game Dollar,
but I don't even know if the stylists
would just say cap, cap, cap.
So I told a story, simple story.
No, it was many years ago.
I told him my first show was in Camden, New Jersey.
Kobe Cove booked me for the show Flow Joe.
I'm so poor, he puts me in a nice hotel.
I stay Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
He had to come knock on the door and say,
yo, you don't live here, Joe, you gotta go.
I'm like, yo, but these guys got toilet paper.
They got nice TV with color.
I don't want to leave, right?
But I had to go.
And so they put the clip up, and I'm just seeing 100 cap, cap, cap, cap, cap, cap, cap.
Kobe Cove goes on his Instagram.
True story.
It's the craziest thing.
If I tell you that I'm the guy who orchestrated Bone and Biggie, Biggie, Bone and Biggie,
I did it.
Somebody will come co-signed when I tell you stuff that you just can't possibly believe.
If I tell you that Tupac was having trouble in the New York City jail, this Tupac should
call, by the way to me, the realest rapper ever in the history of rap music but he had a problem and he called
Fat Joe.
I'm sorry it really happened but I did not tell everybody think I tell every story.
I did not tell a story I got a story to tell right so I did not tell a story and uh and
uh Musa from the outsiders one day he's getting interviewed.
He's like, yo, Fat Joe never tells this story, but let me tell you what Tupac told me.
He had problems.
Fat Joe sent the Puerto Ricans.
They held him down.
He was, you know, everything I say is backed up.
So there's a girl that I promised never to say this story, right?
But him, maybe like three of my friends know, right?
And so when I was a kid, I was 10 years old,
just I'm gonna give you a real cap, right?
I'm 10 years old.
I'm in the house minding my business and the projects
and I'm making some food I don't know why,
I don't know how to cook, so I got a machete.
I hear a girl scream.
I open the door, and it's a girl I know from my building.
She's a Jehovah Witness.
She has a dress on.
She's covering her private parts.
Like a movie, the apples, the oranges
is on the floor, the bread,
and it's a dude standing over,
it's like seven feet tall, fresh out of jail.
He had a tank top, not even a cut up shirt,
cocked these or something.
I run down on the guy, I give it to him, 10 years old.
Ha!
Now I know if you're a coward, you don't believe this story,
you don't understand it, you might have called 911, screamed.
No, I gave it to him, 10 years old.
Just a fat little chubby kid.
He runs around the corner, and in my projects,
both sides have stairways to go down.
He wasn't from there, because he overran it.
So now he's stuck in the corner, holding his arm.
You cut him with the machete.
I hit him on the other side.
Ha!
Oh, this guy's like, well, he's a grown man,
seven feet tall.
He realizes, oh, this is just a fat little kid, 10 years.
He jumps at me.
I jump scared to death all the way back.
He runs down the stairs, thank God.
But when I come back around,
this girl was the most decent girl probably in my whole
project.
Right?
And she begged me, because you know, her family was so strict to not tell a story.
So I never told a story.
I was going to tell a story in my book.
But at my brother's funeral, she shows up.
I haven't seen her in 30 years.
And in the middle of, I'm rich, in the middle of the funeral
She says Joey saved my life
He saved my life a guy was trying to rape me just that Joey came out with the machete
He saved my life. I'll be like sometimes I'll say stories that I think I'm capping
No, I believe the story. I just think when you say he's seven feet tall, I'm like, okay.
Oh no, this guy's cocky.
He's like, oh.
All right, let me tell you, there's a distinctive look,
if you're from the hood, of a guy who just came out of jail.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just came out of jail.
I don't know his story, but he was fresh.
First day out of jail, probably.
He's, look, he's raping a girl immediately
Right. So when I hear it, I'm like I gotta stop her. I'm like, yeah
Rich the story. Yo, I told you
But I never told a story
Because she asked me not to tell a story. I put it in my book book is a classic by the way
No, no, no, I put it in my book actually read and last minute
I said, you know what cuz I haven't seen her in 30 some years at 40 years
I said, you know what she might be alive with a family and I'm violate and so I took it out the book
She comes in the funeral
Miss Ruby
Joey saved my life.
I said, huh?
She saw, and then the guys from my building,
because you know, my whole projects was with me
at the funeral, AJ, Mark Lowe, thank everybody,
Ronald, with Dono, everybody who came out, the whole hood.
Um, they're like, yo, we ain't never hear this story.
They from my building. They was like, yo, we never heard. I was like,
machete.
So you're the one that lies.
Let's not start that because I got a little beef, uh,
in the beef with my crew because I said on an interview that I'll trade Yayo for which player to go.
People were in their feelings.
What did you mean by that?
Yeah, because he's always here.
Every time I see you, I see him.
I don't mean it.
I don't mean it.
You take it back.
I take it back.
But you know, Rich the Most Loyal,
but you know, I was just trying to
Explain how loyal that guy is to his man
We know you ain't trading Rich for nothing. No I ain't trading Rich for nothing. Rich got you know
Rich got all the secrets everything you know saying. Rich is something else you'm saying? He don't give me credit for nothing, but you know.
That's what it is, you know?
Well, the album is out this Friday.
When we talk about Rich playing, I feel like with Jay-Z
in New York, he says, I made you hot, OG One!
I'm like, yo, Rich, I made you hot!
He's like, fuck that.
I've been the man, you know?
Rich know everybody and everything that goes on.
Everything.
Listen, what Rich is, is a legend,
not only in the streets of New York, but in Miami.
He saved so many kids.
How many plays you sent to the NFL coaching?
12.
I'm good in Miami because Rich Player,
he coached the whole hood.
One day he calls me, he's like, mother, he's flipping.
I'm in Vegas at a show.
He's like, I'm going to your house now.
I said, what happened?
He said, Ryan is throwing a party.
The whole hood is in your house.
The whole football team.
I'm like, what?
Everybody's headed to your house.
The whole town city.
He gets over there, they all running,
jumping over to Coach Rich.
They jumping over the gate, running out my house.
You know what I'm saying?
So Rich is really, you know,
you come on this earth once, right?
And it ain't, yeah it's cool to dress fly,
have fly stuff.
It's about how you help the people.
And so what I love the most about Rich
is that he changed these people live.
They in the NFL.
They still call him Coach Rich, this, this, that.
Now, same thing with us.
We just constantly helping people.
You would not believe how many people we help
every day or every week.
Every day they got a funeral.
Every day somebody's house gets burnt down.
Every day this, this, this, this.
For some reason they know how to find me.
You know, Joe, you know Miss Such-a-Such, she passed away.
I'm not ex, I might have paid 100 funerals,
maybe even more in my hood.
And so we do this all the time.
You know, Thanksgiving, we give 5,000 families groceries.
We're not giving them a turkey.
What's good is a turkey if you ain't got the mash,
you ain't got the rice, you ain't got the mac and cheese,
you ain't got the produce.
No, we give everything.
You know, shout out to Crasdale's, ShopRite,
everybody, Goya.
And so, you know, we just constantly give back
to our community
And I love rich for that and anybody who does that in the smallest to the biggest scale absolutely that's what?
It gets you to less the least likes
But it's quality over quantity, but when I see that that's what touches my heart
That's what motivates me when I see Queen the hall
I'm giving out toys to all them kids,
by the way, if you don't know, I know, I know.
I'm saying I see Jim Jones doing coat drives.
By the way, Jim, if you don't know, I know.
And I watch everybody, a big you out in,
where's big you from?
Compton?
Watch.
Rolling 60s.
All right, we ain't got to say the gang,
we just say the hood, you know? That's the hood. Oh. Rolling 60s. All right, we ain't got to say the gang, we just say the hood.
Oh, that's the name of it?
Rolling 60s.
He's constantly giving stuff back.
Anybody who's giving out, who's giving back to the people, I'm watching you.
I love it.
And guess what?
I ain't the only one watching you.
People who think like-minded, they watching you. When we gave $2 million to the African Muslims in the Bronx,
17 of them died in the fire.
We raised $2 million.
Homeboy from Twitter, Jack.
I don't know who the hell Jack is.
They hit me up, yo, Jack wants to donate.
I'm like, who the hell is Jack?
They're like, you know the guy who owns Twitter
He gave a big check
There's people like-minded that love when you give him back to the community
I mean, what's it about if you even did so at the end of the day, you don't get back to your hood
You don't change lives. You don't motivate people. You don't inspire people. I
Was at the waist I was at the gumbo wedding and Mel
I don't know if you remember this Mel but introduced me to you and she talked to me for 30 minutes
about that with you guys.
She was like, I don't know if you know, I know you work in media and you do the stories
but this is what you should be talking about.
All she talked about was what you guys do and like you know because she does a lot of
stuff too and she was like I can call him no problem.
He's always around like anything I need both of them.
I was like oh that's like fire because you hear it in like the clicks with like the big stuff,
but you don't hear it like the way she was telling me.
I was like, oh, that's dope.
Like he's really like around.
Joe and Rich always into their fun.
We available for the community at all times.
Black, brown, if you're white and you poor,
we'll feed you too.
We'll do whatever we don't care.
You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, this is a non-discrimination.
We hand it out to everybody.
Let's play something off the album
so Joe can keep getting this money
so he can keep helping the community.
Please get your stream.
What you gonna play?
You might as well just play the Baby Fetcher.
I got you.
Yeah, I got you.
Let's do it.
And you can throw to us if you can sneak another one in.
Why not?
I ain't mad.
It's fat, Joe. The album comes out this Friday. Make sure you get it. And it's The Breakfast in. Why not? I ain't mad. It's bad, Joe.
The album comes out this Friday.
Make sure you get it.
And it's The Breakfast Club.
Good morning.
Wake that ass up.
Early in the morning.
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