The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Fetty Wap Gives First Interview After Prison Release

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Today on The Show, Fetty Wap Sits Down With The Breakfast Club And Give His First Interview After Prison Release. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystud...io.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:12 Oh, no. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. You're all finished or y'all done? Morning, everybody is DJ Envy. Jess Salarion, Sholomaine the guy. We are the breakfast club. Long & Rose is here with us as well.
Starting point is 00:02:25 We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed. Welcome home, ladies and gentlemen. It's Fettiw. Welcome. Yeah, man. What's up? How you feel?
Starting point is 00:02:32 I feel good, man. You ain't missed no push-ups, been eating your protein. You're taking full advantage of that time, huh? Couple of chicken packs and tunas and all life. See what I'm saying? How are you, first of all, brother? I'm blessed, man.
Starting point is 00:02:45 You know, I'm blessed. I can, you know, if I can sum it up, I'm just blessed, man. I feel good to be back, you know, sleep in my own bed, eat some real food, see the family, you know, get all I love,
Starting point is 00:02:56 and see everybody just happy to see me like I'm happy to see them, so it feels good. I'm definitely blessed for that. Do you feel like you need to get right back to it? Or like, you know, do you want to just adjust and be human first before you got to get into artist FettyWat mode? Are we allowed to do that?
Starting point is 00:03:12 No. Yes, you are. You allowed to, but not, like, you would have to make that decision for yourself. Yeah, I mean, for me, I don't know, I'll just, you know, making music is just what I love to do. So I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say it's like getting right back to it. It's just like something that I miss for the last four years of my life, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:03:29 Definitely being in that studio, letting that be. my outlet, you know what I'm saying, for whatever I'm going through at the time. So, if that's getting back to it, then, yeah, yeah, definitely got to get right back to it. Have you gotten in the studio yet? Yeah. Oh, you're back in there already. Already working. Oh, you did the first day out record?
Starting point is 00:03:43 No, no, I did it first day out record. Okay, okay, okay. Not, except for a longer project or something? No, just, you know, just, like, you know, how you said, like, you know, when the box ain't been in the ring for a while, I just got a, I mean, got a mid-up real quick, so if you still got it, you know what I'm saying? Like that, so that's all just, just, just filling it back out. What was the, okay.
Starting point is 00:04:01 I was going to say, so, you know, most people want to know what happened, right? And the reason they want to know is you had numerous platinum, multi-platinum hits. Numerous records that went through the charts. Fetti had a run. And not just urban charge. Mainstream. I mean, you were doing bar mitzvirs. What's the Spanish one?
Starting point is 00:04:17 Kisietas. Don't act like you don't know? I'm not Spanish. I am not Spanish. You know what I mean? You see what he tried to do? You know what I mean? You did everything.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And then you went a different route. What happened? Like, what was the? a disconnect for fettie was it label was it uh i mean well you know certain things that i still you know i can't really talk about like like that i mean just for certain legal reasons but um i guess to sum it up you know what i'm saying uh as far as the music side like as far as the music side i just kind of uh was going through something with certain parts of a different label you know i mean i want to say those names because i'm not into bashing nobody that's not what i do
Starting point is 00:05:00 You know what I'm saying? But certain things just wasn't lining up. So I just, you know, when they say, you can't teach it. What is it? What is it saying? You can't teach it. Old dog. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Something like that. You know what I'm saying? To basically put it in a way where I don't know. You know what I mean? So I just had to just, I just did what I know how to do, you know what I mean, when certain things was happening. So. Now when you got, when you got locked up, did it make you love music more?
Starting point is 00:05:26 Because I feel like at one time you didn't love music the same like you did when when you first came out. Did it make you love music again? Being locked up did a few things for me. As far as music, yeah, of course. Know what it is, honestly, not being able to record music was the biggest thing. Because, you know, as an artist,
Starting point is 00:05:48 you're going to, you hear a little bit, you do a little beat on the table and you could just start the writing, you know, you get the writing stuff in your head or you hear melodies in your head, but that feeling when you just, I'm going to go to the studio, like, oh, nah, I ain't about to go nowhere right now.
Starting point is 00:05:59 You know what I'm saying? So it made me miss being able to, you know, just get up and go when I want to go do music. Definitely humble you a lot, you know what I'm saying, stuff like that. But, yeah. So when you got that feeling when you were locked up, did you just write? Like, how did you, because as a creative, it's still there. Like, what do you do to release at that point? Man, that's actually crazy, right?
Starting point is 00:06:25 Because if anybody knows me, they know, like, I don't really write your music. I just kind of freestab. Like, I just go in there and do my thing. So to write a song, it took me, like, maybe three weeks. Because I had to, the problem with me with writing is, I feel like it's not as authentic as it is when you just go in there because you got the option to change out things, say different things. I would say this different.
Starting point is 00:06:51 I don't want to say this. So, like, when you're writing, it's kind of like, let me make it sound better. Like, you know what I'm saying? But when it's coming out, it's just whatever you feel. that there's like raw emotion you know what i'm saying so like that uh that created process was was basically the hardest thing for me what did prison teach you about yourself that that success never could um what the prison teach me about myself uh that success never good yeah i mean
Starting point is 00:07:21 honestly well in that case not really too much not really too much it just like made me uh it just made me understand certain things in life. You know what I'm saying? It made me understand like the value of freedom. You know what I'm saying? I don't think a lot of people understand how blessed they are to just wake up
Starting point is 00:07:41 and do whatever they want to do. Well, let's slow you down from and I'll see in interviews where you, like, I go to store, it'd be 20 of us. Everybody gets an Avericks and everybody gets a pair of jeans and then everybody gets a shirt. Will that stop you from doing that? Were those 20 people still there
Starting point is 00:07:57 when you were locked up or you realized, They ain't definitely like that. Yeah, no. Yeah. That is, yeah, that is definitely, the crazy thing is, if they were there, it would probably be the same mentality. No exaggeration, you know what I'm saying? If they were there, it would be the same mentality.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I'll probably be, you know. Let's get it. Let's get it. Like, we back on, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, when you be behind that wall, man, everybody's show you who they are. You know what I'm saying? You want their time now.
Starting point is 00:08:27 You know what I'm saying? And you got to just take it how you want, you know what I'm saying? You want their time. So if they don't feel like doing it, it's done. And if they don't do it, well, he ain't coming home no time soon. Was the industry there for you when you were locked up? Like who? Artists, label, people, family.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Family included? Family? Yeah, my family was there. Industry? Not too much. Not too much. No, man. Let me see. Oh, Coilet.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Coilet. Corle ray. 50 cent Chief Keith How, though? In like in what way? When you say they were there for you, like, what was it? Each of them.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Like, what did Corey do? Well, Corey, she actually helped me out with a record. I had put out an album called King Zoo. Right? And she actually, she featured on the record. She did a whole TikTok thing for me. And she just did it off the love. It was like, all right, Fetti, I got you, don't worry you.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Like, you know what I'm saying? And she, you know, she pushed that as if it was her own record. So, like, things like that, I could, I never, like, I won't even, I don't even know how to thank her for that, you know what I'm saying? Because she didn't have to do that. She was already, she already, she's doing her thing, you know what I'm saying? You know, and she's from Jersey. So that was even more like, like, damn, like, they have, like, this theory with people from Jersey where we like to pull each other down. So for her to help lift me up in my time with darkness, it was like, thank you a lot, you know what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:09:54 I'll be out too, you know what I'm saying? I'll be at, man. You said 50. What did 50 do? Man, 50? Huh. So I don't even know where to start with him. 50 did a lot for me.
Starting point is 00:10:13 You know what I'm saying? From day one, it was like he reached out like, yo, whatever you need, just holl at me. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, all, all, all, all. And then it was like, where is money going? I'm like, what? You know what I'm used to that?
Starting point is 00:10:28 I'm used to, it's always the other way around. You know what I'm saying? Send me the money here, yeah. Yeah, so it was just like, it was nothing. Like, he, whatever I needed, he was right there. Like, he answered the phone. He, he, he didn't shy you off, you know what I'm saying? All the way down to the time I'm about to come home.
Starting point is 00:10:44 He said, yo, how you're getting home and stuff like that? You know what I'm saying? So, like, if anything, like, as far as, as far as financial and, like, mental, like, help, he was probably there the biggest. That's old. Yeah. I know 50 was like helping you diversify like income and different things like that as well too. What were there conversations like about when Fetty Wap comes home, 50 cents giving you what advice of like here's what you should be doing business why because the industry has changed so much.
Starting point is 00:11:13 I can't curse, right? Yeah, you curse. Yeah, you curse. Yeah. Hey, yo, stop fucking up. You know what I'm saying? You should have never stopped making music. Like, you should have kept going hard.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Like, you know what I'm saying? That's 50 going, 50 going, he's going to say what he wants to say. Like, you know what I'm saying? He ain't got no filter. So, it was good. It was, everything he told me, it was just like, you know what I'm saying, just get back to it. Like, don't waste no time this time. You only got this, this, this my last chance, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:11:43 Whatever that sounds to people. But, you know, if you're in this industry, you know what that means, you know what saying? So you got to make it count. I remember the interview you did with, I think it was academics before you had one, Yeah. And you was talking about, you know, going broke. What did going broke after making multimillion dollars teach you?
Starting point is 00:12:03 See, that's crazy because, you know, that was like clickbait. You know, if you actually rewatch the interview, I never said that I was going broke. I just said it was slowing down. You know what I'm saying? It's a big difference. I said you fucked all your money up, baby. Yeah, it was a big difference. No, I was just basically like saying, I was telling him how,
Starting point is 00:12:25 I felt the transition from being 2015-2016 Fettywop to being 2017-2018 Fettywap. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I guess the way they broke it up and put it together, it was like, damn, like, but I get it though. You know what I'm saying? Like it is what it is. You blame yourself for that at all? What, that transition? The transition from 16 to 17.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Yeah. Wow. For the most part, man. I just, you know what I mean? I was young. man I was real young I was young hot-headed and you know what I'm saying I was just
Starting point is 00:13:01 pro to gods man like you know what I'm saying like if it ain't me in my if it ain't me and my niggas ain't nothing you know I mean straight like that you know I didn't show up to a few things we didn't talk about that we ain't talk about that but no truthfully though man
Starting point is 00:13:18 truthfully man I just you know I had to grow up man you know what I was still I was I was young with all that money man like just having fun making sure everybody eat and making sure everybody you know what I'm saying like like how I'm shunning you know what I'm saying they told me a story the other day actually they said you you pull up to uh sneaker store in Patterson right sneaker palace you pull up there and you buy 50 pairs of sneakers yeah and it'd be like you'd have you'd have 10 cars 10 of your cars outside
Starting point is 00:13:45 yeah somebody driving a different car and you all get in and just drive to Atlantic City and gamble and going to party all night and nobody else paid for everything and they was like Fetti would pay for everything. They said they did this damn there every weekend. And there'd be a time where like you didn't like to fly because they were like
Starting point is 00:14:00 then you would drive to Atlanta. I'm scared as hell of flying. Even though? Yeah. Damn. Oh, it's just trust me. The last time I was on the plane before I came home,
Starting point is 00:14:08 I was shackled, ankles and wrists. And I'm like that shit. Yeah. That's another thing. Like I told, I kept telling myself. I said, look, man, fuck first class. They let me out right now.
Starting point is 00:14:19 You can put me in 52 F in the middle C. Hey, y'all good? We had a thing? anything you know what I'm gonna get a little bag of peanuts some shit like no you too big now you can't sit all the way back there no yeah they didn't they made the plane small on the back they try to make more money more seats
Starting point is 00:14:33 your shoulder's too big for that shit at this point yeah man so outside of like showing up for things bit like when you get back to like the business of fettie what else are you going to do differently like label because you said there was like some issues with the label was that the RGF um yeah with some issues with the label you know what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:14:53 And this is like the best way I could put that without like getting to that whole thing. Like I said, I don't like to bash nobody. And I like to have conversations while the other person is present to kind of, you know what I'm saying? Money complicates family. And when it gets to a point where how can I say that? It's just like money complicates things, you know? That's the best way I could put it. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:29 Without getting it all deep into it. But yeah, money complicates a lot of things. So with that being said, you know, a lot of people, a lot of things didn't go right because of a certain situation. So that was just like, that's one of the biggest things as far as the Feddy Wops side with the label. But other than that, man, I'm still, you know, I'm still, I'm just ready to make music, you know. I do, I do hate. when we do that to art.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Because I know you're ready to make music because you want to get back to it, but man, there's still a part of you that just has to be a human first. Like, you just put your boots back on the ground. You know what? It's got family. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:11 What was the hardest truth you had to face while you were locked up? I lived in my truth, man. Like, I didn't, I don't know. I just, you know what I'm saying? Like, where I come from, I'm from Patterson, right? You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:16:27 I'm from Paterson, New Jersey, man. Like, you know what I mean? You make your baby out late. So it wasn't, when it happened, it was like, all right, whatever, whatever. Like, let's just get this shit over. You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't like, damn, I wish I could have did this or did that because I did it once. And that's what I chose to do.
Starting point is 00:16:46 I know what the consequences. I know what was going to come with it. So that was that. Do you think you understand the lesson God might have been teaching you? Yeah. You know it for sure. Yeah, for sure. You want to share it?
Starting point is 00:16:56 Take advantage of your blessings, I'm giving them to you. You know, this time we're gonna, I'm gonna show you what can happen you keep playing around. You know what I'm saying? Next time might not be so lucky. Are you staying away from Patterson?
Starting point is 00:17:16 No. You're out of Patterson. Or are you going back home? Of course. You don't have to, I feel like that theory is flawed. What you mean? When they say, oh, if you go back, home this can happen that can happen it only happens if you're allowed if you're a weak man
Starting point is 00:17:31 weak shit gonna happen to you what I'm saying you stand on business stand on business you know I mean so I don't I don't follow crowds I lead them you know man I wasn't I wasn't the Remy boys I'm fattie Wop hey you know I'm saying like I'm saying I'm saying no disrespect to my guys but yeah I'm not the follower I'm the leader have you spoke to the guys yeah I spoke to a few of them I spoke to the ones who spoke to me when I've been there Did you have to forgive yourself for anything in order to come home free just mentally? I really, it's not more so me forgiving myself. I just hope in the future that my kids forgive me.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah, that's more so. Like, you know, I took a lot of time from them. And four years a long time, you see your kids go from here to here. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like, I miss birthday. I miss Christmas. I miss doctor's appointments. I miss daddy's school,
Starting point is 00:18:33 back daddy day at school and shit like that. Basketball games, dances. Basketball games, football games. My son, first day of high school, stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:18:40 you know what I'm saying? Most I just hope they forgive me. Have you spoke to them? Yeah, like your older kids? Yeah, I spoke to the older ones. Yeah. Do they forgive you?
Starting point is 00:18:50 Man, I think they're just happy right now. They don't really understand yet. I thought they're not even understand. Yeah, I don't think they really understand. But, you know, they, for a while we just tried to play this, uh,
Starting point is 00:19:02 daddy's away and then, you know, after, it's like, come on, they got phones. After about 30 days, like, all right, now, mom, we ain't stupid. Yeah, you know, the phones and, you know, they're on social media. So, you know, like, daddies, we're daddy in jail? You know, like that, so. How do you separate who you were from who the world still thinks you are? Hmm.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Um, I guess I'll just separate about a time, like, separated by Tom. Like, separated by Tom. time time either is going to fix everything or it's just going to make it worse you know what I'm saying so for me I feel like this time away fixed a lot of things from you know what I'm saying especially with me and my family me and my sister like we always had each other back know that's my gym twin you know what saying she June 6 I'm June 7 you know what I'm saying uh my baby sister too you know what I'm saying my older brother like commissary every week you know what I'm saying even if I ain't I didn't even need it.
Starting point is 00:19:57 I really didn't even need it. Like, but, you know, any phone call, I might just be going, I just might be going through something. I'm calling, you know what you think? What you think they're going on? You think they're still going to rock me when I get home?
Starting point is 00:20:10 You know what I'm saying? Like, you know how you say? You know, how you say, if I leave the game, you're still going to love me. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then just learning myself, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that detoxing, that detoxing,
Starting point is 00:20:23 you know, getting your body together, especially working out, working out. working out kind of like kind of got me together a lot too you know that discipline like being that like I don't feel like doing it but still getting it done like uh just watching just learning from the old heads in there you know what I'm saying I was down with a few homies that's you know that's not coming home no time soon you know what I'm saying really probably no time ever depending on if they outlast the years I mean outlast the sentence and you know I got a lot of wisdom from them and they all like you know the way you carry yourself little bro like you know
Starting point is 00:20:56 saying where you carry yourself i don't really let everybody love bro me but you know certain people that i respect you know i mean i call them big bro and they just the way you carry yourself the way you move i'm saying i see the way you move through here you ain't you ain't you ain't fully yourself you don't think you're the shit and you know what i'm saying like when you get out there man like like like like do it for the gods but i don't want to see you back in here man yeah like you like you got a lot of shit to look out to and then you know a lot of people hey hey hey hey hey guess what i'm in here with you know what i'm with freddie hey oh tell them to send me a picture So, you know, I'm taking pictures for the guys.
Starting point is 00:21:26 We send her autographs and shit like that. And, hey, man, my daughter, man, they, man, I'm like, man, I ain't even know your daughter knew I was. You know what I said? They're younger now, you know what I mean? So it was just like every time I start to feel like, I don't know if it's going to be. It is, hey, yo, man, somebody's in there. I'm like, where? Then, like, I remember in 2025, like the type of 2025 that was doing, like the again thing with the JBL speaker.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And it was like that. My sister, hey, trending. I'm like, how do what I do now? Like, you know what I do? Like, what I do? Like, I'm in trouble with some shit. But it's just like, every time I started feeling down or feeling like,
Starting point is 00:22:04 like, it wasn't going to be nothing for me when I come home. Something always reminded me, man. Like, so like I said, either time, going to either fix it or make it worse. So for me, Tom made everything better for me. You know, at your peak,
Starting point is 00:22:16 everything was moving fast, right? But then when you in prison, everything stops. How did that shift your sense of purpose? Um, it was much needed. Uh, it was much needed, uh, for sure. Definitely much needed. And a lot of people say, I'm crazy for that, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:22:35 But you got one day, you're downtown selling CDs, trying to make a name for yourself. And then you got another day you're on, you're on stage with Taylor Swift. Hmm. You know what I'm saying? And then it's like, you do so much, everything was a blur. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was moving so fast half the times. I don't even have pictures of everything I did.
Starting point is 00:22:57 I'm like, hey, send me pictures. You ain't got nothing? Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, all right, let me see where I went wrong over here or what I did this and you start to, you know, you just take mental notes. Like, you learn yourself, man. Like you learn yourself. Like I said, you either going to get better or you're going to get worse.
Starting point is 00:23:14 You know what I'm saying? You're going to give up on yourself or you're going to go hard for yourself. You know what I'm saying? So for me, it just was like, I got to go harder, man. Like, I can't, this can't be it for me right here. Like, you know what I'm saying? like ain't no way I'm about to just come home and just go get a job or some shit like you know what I'm saying like I'm not going to target like you know what I mean like I got to do what I'm saying if I got a if I got a
Starting point is 00:23:35 man up and take responsibility for the shit that I did to make to get me in this position I'm going to do that you know what I did how did 300 treat you I seen you you uh went to 300 yesterday how was that reception yeah man you know it's it's love man I've been with them for for 11 years oh shit no it was It's the beginning, right? For 12 years now. Yeah, we've been together for 12. But everybody left 300 when you did, though. Not the same people are there, right?
Starting point is 00:24:00 Rain and Salim still there. Rain and Salim still there. I think if I'm not mistaken, I don't want to miss, but I think they're like the president or something like that. Yes, Salim just, I think he just got promoted, didn't he? Yeah, my trip? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:24:14 So now what's your mind frame with doing music now? Is it, one time you went straight street? The other time it was crossover and party in music. So what's Fettie's feeling now? I don't have a, I don't have a genre, man. Like, whatever I feel, I'll just do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't really have like a, I don't want to be.
Starting point is 00:24:36 In a box. Yeah, like, I don't want to be like that guy. You know what I'm saying? If it sound good, if it feel good, I'm going to do it. Like, it's all up to the people's reception of it, of course. You know what I'm saying? But I don't try to just stay, you know what I mean? because what I feel like personally,
Starting point is 00:24:54 I feel like when you become a certain kind of artist, you have to follow a certain kind of movement, you know what I'm saying? So if you're a gangster artist, you've got to be a gangster all day. If you're a trap artist, you got to really trap about this. You know what I mean? You got to really know what you're talking about. If you're a pop artist, you know what I'm saying? You can't be, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:25:16 Like you can't be, certain things you do. like but with me is like you know even when when i'm like when i'm in prison you know a lot of people listen to the songs and they like ain't no way it's the same dude that's singing these songs like you know what i'm saying just by the way i carry myself but then it's where i come from you know what a lot of people misconcept the artist for the person so they're they thinking like oh he he's singing and you know what's saying he probably this way and they it was good it was popping where the god's at you know what what this this fuddywop You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:25:50 Like, so for me, I don't want to be in a box. I don't want to be. I just want to be a great artist, man. Did your voice ever change? I think the first project to the second project, it felt like your voice changed a little bit. Yeah, for sure. Was that for something you did on purpose,
Starting point is 00:26:03 or was it from drinking and smoking? That shit just came from getting older. You hit puberty, sir? Word, man. I was, you know what I'm saying? Like, there was certain ranges and shit. I couldn't, it's kind of hard down. But, um, hmm.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I think more so, more so for me, it was just like, I was trying to find a way to just do something different. You know what I'm saying? Because trying to follow these songs was damnly impossible. I'm stressing myself out trying to make another six, seven, nine, try to make another mile, try to make another mile away, try to make another trap queen. It's like, this shit's not going to happen, bro.
Starting point is 00:26:40 It's just, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? And the way they built, like the way that the songs are hyped up, like I can't. It's like, you know what I mean? It's a lot of people don't get a trap queen record. So trying to follow that shit is like damn near impossible. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:26:58 I'm not saying it is, but that's tough, man. Like that feeling, like the shit I was going through at that time, you know what I mean? I wasn't going through that no more. You know, like a lot of that plays a role. And, you know, like a lot of things I'll be saying, like, you know when you follow artists from the beginning. And once they pop, you kind of like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:27:22 Like, I don't relate to that. And it was like, the same thing happened with me. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, when we're doing trap queen, this is real shit. Like, man, like, you know what I'm saying? We, we outside. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:27:35 We're looking through the little, we look at through, we look at through social thing. You like that, let me. I like that one. If I could get this one, I would get it in this color. You know, we like that until then it went to which one of these you want. You know what I'm saying? We're going to take both of them.
Starting point is 00:27:48 You know what I'm saying? Like, like, Life changes, so life experience change, so music change. So it was like from the Fetty Wop album towards the butterfly effect, you know, I was going through a lot of shit, a lot of personal things was happening. So when the butterfly effect, it was more so me telling my story than trying to make a hit record. Gotcha. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:10 So what do you, coming back to music, what do you focus on? Because people want the hit, but you got a lot of life to talk about at this point. It's been years. I mean, honestly, I don't feel like that's important. Like, I did my time. You know what I'm saying? I did my time. It's a lot of rappers that went to jail.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I mean, I hate to say it like that. They came home, man. You know what I'm saying? If they chose to talk about their jail, shit, that's dumb. You know what I'm saying? Like, me, I did my time with the guys in there. You know what I'm saying? And they all, bro, leadership behind you.
Starting point is 00:28:45 When you walk out, leave it. You know what I'm saying? You want to know what my evenings actually look like? Homework questions. Someone needs a permission slip signed. The dog's begging for a walk. Someone's yelling for a snack. And somewhere in the middle of all that,
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Starting point is 00:31:32 In Carlos D.Rosillo, during Trump's, two terms. I can guarantee you that nobody in the Trump administration likes Del Cid Rodriguez. Listen to the moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or whatever you get your podcasts. We're trying to see you on TV. Everybody want to, listen, I'm going to tell you y'all something in jail. There's three things that you don't turn the TV from. Sports, news, love, and hip-hop.
Starting point is 00:31:58 That's just the three things in jail you don't turn the TV from, so it might happen to you, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, that's just, we want to see you on TV, bro, we're trying to hear you on the radio. I know, bro, like, 20 days, I want to hear something new on the computer, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is the type of thing. motivation I was having so I don't I don't I don't to come home and to talk about that
Starting point is 00:32:17 shit is it's it's pointless I did my time in it you know what I'm saying it possible like because I'm wondering like will you're writing change now that you've lived such a real life consequence instead of success I guess I wouldn't say it'll change I guess it's always going to change especially when you're trying to be creative but more so I I just feel like I just feel like I appreciate music more I appreciate life more
Starting point is 00:32:51 like just checking out going to 7-11 for a bottle of water you know what I'm saying like I appreciate everything just to even just sit here without you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:33:03 I visit over you know what I'm saying like shit like that you know what I'm saying for real so I mean you're watching your people walk out the sign you looking at that exit time like damn i can't wait till it's my turn you feel what i'm saying so it's like i just appreciate everything man like i don't i'm never going forget it you know what i'm saying i ain't gonna never forget it but i'm not i'm not trying to
Starting point is 00:33:25 make that my focal point like you know what i'm saying i don't want nobody to feel bad for me i'm known for making we're gonna have fun when these shit's come on everybody want to grab a damn i remember what i was doing at this time that i'm trying to keep that yeah i don't want that oh he's talking i i live this shit for real like and if anybody that that was locked up with me there, I tell you, like, bro stood on business. Like, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't in there playing around. You feel me?
Starting point is 00:33:48 So it was just like, I'm, I'm chilling. Would there ever a moment, you know, it was so noisy in your life before you went in? Was there ever a moment when you was in prison where you fell in love with the silence? Yeah, for sure. Definitely. I think I told my sister that a few times, too. Yeah, I just like, man, I want to say, wait, what, wait, what, yeah, was that.
Starting point is 00:34:14 2014, I think I did, I think I did $6,7 on my birthday in 2014. That was the year we signed a deal with 300,
Starting point is 00:34:23 I think like around November or September or something like that. I don't remember nothing else besides getting sentenced. Like,
Starting point is 00:34:31 from there was just, a blur. Yeah. Wow. Like, I really, I think the, the earliest thing
Starting point is 00:34:38 I remember was softball itself was and the next thing I know it was like, all right, I'm going to go to jail. Like, for real, like, it was just like that. So it's like, like, damn, the widow, I was just 23 years old. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:34:54 Like, I'm in my 30s now, mid-30s, like, shit's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Looking at my son, I'm like, well, you was only five years old when all this shit was happening. You know what I'm saying? Like that, so it's just like, man, everything just happened so quick. It was just crazy. You know, the Bible script.
Starting point is 00:35:12 I think it's Psalm 40, 6, 10, be still and know that I am God. Nobody, I know people probably said that to you, when you said you fell in love with the silence a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I just, I don't know. It just felt good to just hear myself think for a second. Slow it down. Just take control of my own life, you know what I'm saying? How are you going to keep that going now?
Starting point is 00:35:40 Because like once things start going and you're moving around, and you're touring and all this stuff, like the noise is going to come. It comes with a celebrity life. Oh, trust me, it's loud in prison. It's live. As long as they pop them doors, it's live. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:53 You just gotta, whether it be, you got your workout team, you know what I'm saying? We hit the yard at a certain time. Now, I mean, we're gonna get our money. Oh, you got, you just, you know, you're in your saddle or your bunk and you just, you know what I'm man, yo, look, holl at me later.
Starting point is 00:36:10 You know what I'm gonna, like, they're gonna respect it, You know what you make them respected. So it's kind of like the same thing for me, except this time I'm just going to go in the house. Like, I'm going to the crib. I don't feel like talking and take my phone. Oh, that's just that simple.
Starting point is 00:36:25 How did time, the time away change your relationship with fame? I mean, I think everybody know I didn't really care about being famous. I don't think that was like a secret. I didn't, I don't, that's, that was never to go. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was never to go. I just wanted to make everybody I just wanted to get a Ferrari
Starting point is 00:36:46 I said And you got a few of those You know Ferrari being loved He's all types of shit Lamboats all types of That's it I just wanted a Ferrari
Starting point is 00:36:53 You know what I'm saying I was gonna Ferrari You bought your mama house Yeah for sure Yeah man They said you used to ride The motorcycles in the Atlanta house Yeah
Starting point is 00:37:04 How do you know that They said they used to ride The motorcycles in the Atlanta house Like my dirt bikes Yeah We used to ride through the house Oh how much did you have your account at the peak of everything.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Like what number did you look at? You're like, God, damn, at the peak of everything, how much did you have in your account? A lot. It was a lot. It was a lot. Like hundreds of millions, 10 millions? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Tens of millions. Tens of millions. I'm still trying to get to 100. Tens of millions. Yeah, I had a few. I had a few others. All right. What part of your old lifestyle do you not want back,
Starting point is 00:37:40 even if the money is? It's there with it. The feeling the need to take care of everybody. Everybody don't deserve me, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a real loyal person. I'm loyal to a fault in the sense, and I'm loyal to the court.
Starting point is 00:37:59 When I love you, I love you to death. Like, you'm saying? I go to the end of the world for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't nothing I won't do for nobody I love. So that part of me, I don't miss it at all. yeah I block him out that was one of the main
Starting point is 00:38:17 I guess you could say no I'm a Geminae so that other side of me I blocked him out and definitely it's over with it for that shit like I don't I don't feel like I owe nobody nothing I did it all already you just got home yesterday right uh
Starting point is 00:38:31 on this Wednesday it's been like 48 hours right yeah 7th what is it like it's a lot real fast this is a lot real fast
Starting point is 00:38:40 two days it feel like you've been here for about Three weeks. Yeah, for sure. Did you even get some chicks yet? No. Oh. Why are you all in this bad thing? You're just asking that y'all ain't even letting the band breathe.
Starting point is 00:38:52 That was like such a weird random party. Why is that weird? I saw Maseka tweeting about, yeah, that whole situation. You see that? She wanted that segue, I was going to ask a question regardless. You all in his bedroom. But, I mean, okay, so I'm asking you.
Starting point is 00:39:09 I saw her tweet about disappointment. And I know you guys have a, daughter together like what's the plan for you or her moving forward because that gets loud i appreciate her for you know i appreciate her for making sure she making sure that my daughter knew that i love her she didn't she didn't try to keep her away at this time you know during that time i was damn uh you know whenever i call for her she let me talk to her you know i mean i don't got nothing bad to say about her. So
Starting point is 00:39:41 whatever, I don't know. I'm not really a social media person. Would you jump back on the reality show? Would you do that? I promise my guys I'll do it for them. Loving hip-hop is on his way. You know what I'm saying? That's not
Starting point is 00:39:56 nothing that I would have chosen for myself. But like I said, when you down, you just like, damn, I should have did that, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a whole bunch of things. You just wish you should have did. But yeah, as far as that situation, I don't have nothing bad to say by nobody.
Starting point is 00:40:11 How do you plan to break cycles, man? You know what I'm saying? Like, not just financially, but emotionally and spiritually. Yeah. I guess just, like I said, man, with time, man. Like, I know it's probably like a, like a, like a, like a, like a corny answer, but like, like, I don't know how to explain that to you. Like, I really don't know how to make it sound like how I feel about it.
Starting point is 00:40:36 You know what I'm saying? Like, just to have time to just. It's just, it's a wonderful feeling, man. Like, it's a lot of people waiting for their time to come, you know, to come home to to be back with their family. Like, you know what I'm saying? Or, like, when you want to visit floor and you keep looking at the clock, like, all right, time, what's up?
Starting point is 00:40:57 Like, that word is powerful, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, to have time is a lot, so to take advantage of it. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, to end my cycles, I'm going to do it with time. Like, when time comes great things for me, like, and I know, that no matter what like I haven't had a I haven't had a single besides the yams things in 10 years bro you know what I'm saying and somehow some way every year one of them songs just get
Starting point is 00:41:27 do y'all remember when we used to scream 17 30 like somehow some way something happens where they where's fettie like you know what I'm saying and it just like like damn I had to ask myself like bro where you at you know what I'm saying with and with time I I figured that question out. What kind of example are you most intentional about setting, not at your home? Honestly, I just want to, like, show kids, like, especially kids with disabilities. You know what I'm saying? Like, kids with disabilities, kids that's less fortunate, kids that, like, grew up without their
Starting point is 00:42:04 pops or grew up without their moms or grew up in a foster kid that, you know what I'm saying, it's nothing impossible. You know what I'm saying? like I wasn't supposed to be able to drive, let alone even see. I was born with congenital glaucoma, you know what I'm saying? It was supposed to affect both of my eyes, you know what I'm saying? But they save one. So like, I really want to do like a foundation for kids that's like to better them with whatever the disability may be.
Starting point is 00:42:36 You know what I'm saying? Of course, you know, I fight for the for the blindness. You know what I'm saying? that's just, you know, it's quite obvious why. But I just want to set an example that, you know, no matter what you go through and like, like, you don't have to let that define you. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:42:51 Like, for years, you know, some people are going to say, oh, well, he went to jail and, you know what I mean? You got some people that, that remembers me from the music, you know what I'm saying? But you have to set the standard. You have to kind of narrate what you're going to be or who you're going to be. So I just want to, like, I just want to be there for the people
Starting point is 00:43:10 that don't got nobody. You know what I'm saying? And if I could do that, then I feel like, you know, I did a lot. I mean, one of the doping stories I heard, I don't know if it's true, but you said you used to wear the prosthetic eye, but you stopped because you wanted to embrace the natural look.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Yeah, for sure. Definitely. When we got your statement when you first came home, I posted it. And the biggest feedback that I got from, like, the audience who, like, pays attention when I'm posting the stories is people really appreciated that the first thing you talked about was doing stuff for kids
Starting point is 00:43:39 and what you wanted to do with your community and the foundation and not music. Like, people were like, we love that. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just like, first of all, I have kids myself. And like I said, I was, I missed a lot of their life, you know what I'm saying? I missed a lot of, to me, important parts of their life.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Even if I see phone calls, like, sometimes it's not enough. You know what I'm saying? So, and then like to, to, before that, I'm running so much, like I'm doing so much that I really wasn't making time for my own kids, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like, I feel like, you know, I was fucked up for that. You know what I'm saying? No matter how I try to justify, oh, I needed to get the money,
Starting point is 00:44:24 so we've got the money that might be good. I could make sure they always got rid of it. It doesn't matter, you know what I'm saying? One thing I learned that the most important thing you could do for these kids is give them time. You know what I'm saying? Like there's nothing bigger. and time and showing up,
Starting point is 00:44:40 and, you know what I'm saying? Just come here, let's watch Frozen. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You want to learn how to throw football? Let's go throw the football. Buying them shit ain't going to do it. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:44:51 You're just going to be the nigga with the money. Like, you know what I'm saying? Is time going to be the name of the new album? That sounds fired, but no, I can't do that. No, time is just something that means a lot to me, man. Like, that's just, it just, I learned a lot within these few years, especially about myself, about how I want to approach certain things.
Starting point is 00:45:12 And when it comes to helping the kids, man, like, it's something I always did anyway. Yeah. You know, I'm just, like I said, I'm real private, and maybe it's a bad thing, you know what I mean? Because, you know, I had that mind state, like, damn, why you got to post everything? Like, I used to always say that to be like,
Starting point is 00:45:28 why they always got to post it if they're doing the shit from the heart, you know what I'm saying? And, like, I kind of understand now, like, maybe some people want to see it, some people don't. But for me, everybody knows me. Like, I pull up all the kids around, everybody getting $100. Like, little stuff like that. It was back-to-school jobs. We do back-to-school drives every year.
Starting point is 00:45:47 You know what I'm saying? Breast and peace of my cousin Jay. Like, we did the back-to-school drives every year, J-Day. We do, like, 2,000 book bags, sneakers, and school supplies without a post. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is what we do. Like, there's no secret to the community, but it's a secret to the world. So it's like for me helping the kids is something that I always been
Starting point is 00:46:09 You know what I mean? I know how I felt to go to school with some fucked up sneakers I knew how I felt like damn I don't really want to wear this Because I just had it's like I've been wearing the same jeans for three days You know what I'm saying like I know that feeling I know that feeling of Like getting laughed at and stuff like that you know what I'm saying So when it came to when it was my turn instead of me being there for for my little ones you know what I'm saying I'm thinking let me make sure they all fly his head like you
Starting point is 00:46:36 You know what I'm saying? So they don't have to, you don't got to worry about that feeling. You know what I'm saying? Just give me good grades. And, no, it's a bigger gap than that. You know what I mean? So just that, just to be there and, you know, let them see you. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:46:52 Like, let them see you. Let them be next to you. Like, yo, can I sit in the car? My door open. Go ahead. Bro knows. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, my door is, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Send the car, take your pictures, do what you want. You can stand on top of this motherfucker. I don't care. It's just a material item, you know what I'm saying? So I just want to be the best of me I could be for whoever that's going to appreciate me. I feel like in a way, man, I got, you know, of course prison takes years from your life,
Starting point is 00:47:15 but I feel like it also gave you the clarity to finally own your life. Yeah, for sure. In the right way. Yeah, for sure. I definitely agree with you on that. Yeah, well, we appreciate you for joining us, man. And I can't wait to hear new music.
Starting point is 00:47:29 I know you ain't got nothing now, right? No, just double-checking, man. Keep us posting on the foundation work, too. The foundation work. Sure, I appreciate you. Thank you. Absolutely. Well, I do got a couple more questions.
Starting point is 00:47:40 How do you protect your freedom now? Like, I mean mentally, I mean financially, I mean spiritually, like, how do you protect that freedom? Oh, yeah. Like I said, man, turn our phone off. Give yourself, it's just saying we got in jail, right? If you could watch TV for an hour, you could do anything for an hour. So out of jail, of course, we don't have to be.
Starting point is 00:48:06 be at certain things at certain times. Give yourself two hours a day for yourself. Go in there, close the door, meditate, whatever. That's what you went to, meditate. I don't know. Do some yoga or some shit. I don't know. I don't know how to do yoga and shit. I'm not flexible and shit. But for me, I like
Starting point is 00:48:21 pull-ups. That's what I do. I like meditation and pull-ers. Yeah. That's what I, that's how I, that's my thing. I throw the headphones on, put the music on. Do pull-ups. Whenever I'm up there, I don't count, I think. I just go. I'm, all right, This is right.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Like, get down. Like, boom, walk around. Next, you know what I mean? We're in the line. And every time I hit it, I'll just think about something else, you know what I'm saying? Then I go back, I sit down, you know, take my shower. All right, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to do this.
Starting point is 00:48:47 I'm going to do this. You know, just you got to find time for yourself to give yourself time to do things. You know what I'm saying? So that's basically how I could keep my freedom. Do you believe the system, the prison system, is designed for rehabilitation or just survival? The outside prison system or inside? Inside. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:49:11 I don't know if I could talk about that. Like, I don't know if I could talk about that. But my personal experience, if I had to give you an answer, it would be no. Yeah. Well, not at all. How did, I guess what I'm, of course you survived, but how did you kind of rehabilitate yourself? Because I'm seeing a, I feel an older, wiser Fetty. Like, so what did you do?
Starting point is 00:49:33 You said exercise. Yeah. Uh, I like to learn shit, man. So I talk to a lot of the old heads. You know, like, what you did? How you fuck up? You know what I'm saying? What you did wrong?
Starting point is 00:49:48 You know what I'm saying? What you did wrong again? Then you hear, like, they got classes. Like, so the state prison and federal prison is two different things. You know what I'm saying? So in federal prison, the prisoners run the jail. You know what I'm saying? As far as, let me rephrase that because I'm like, get it out wrong.
Starting point is 00:50:08 The prisoners run the programs in jail. So if you're like taking classes, like I got my GED in prison. Congratulations. Thank you. No. I did that. They have like stock classes or like, what is it called, S&P Fortune, something like that, S&P 500s.
Starting point is 00:50:29 And they teach you about the Billinger, top Billinger thing, bottom Billinger, all of that stuff. If that's what you went to, they got whatever you want. If you want to learn Spanish, you can go in there and learn Spanish. If you don't know Spanish, you want to learn English. You go on there and learn English. It's ways to better yourself. But the actual system, no, it's fucked up. And it's got to be more fucked up for people who were actually rich and famous.
Starting point is 00:50:55 You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, totally different experience. And that's a thing I always say too. Like, you know, that part of being in jail was always the worst part for me. Because you're not coming, like, no matter. matter what spot I was at, you don't just come in and, you know, get yourself together. They know I was coming before I even knew I was going there.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Like, people knew I was coming weeks before I even landed on the, before I landed on the yard. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, all right, let's just get this, let's just get this shit straight to the point, honey. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not about to be singing for nobody. We ain't about to be yellow 1738.
Starting point is 00:51:35 You know what I'm saying? But you know what I mean? Like, no, you just You just be a man. You know what I'm saying? Be a man, man, man. They're going to respect it, man. They're going to respect it.
Starting point is 00:51:44 What do people misunderstand about incarceration if they've never experienced it? Oh, hmm. Wait, ask me the question. What do people misunderstand about incarceration if they've never experienced it? I think people think
Starting point is 00:52:00 jail is like old jail. When I say that, like I don't know if people ever watch like the show the Oz like that like shit like that like the jail's not like that no more it ain't like that no more don't get me wrong it's violent it's hell definitely violent but state prison and federal prison is way different
Starting point is 00:52:23 like it's way way way different like it's way way different it's like goddamn government in there it's politics you know what I mean you got you this person you run with these people with you this you run with them and you can't even do nothing you can't even do nothing without asking this dude and he got to go out of access and then it's crazy it's different people misunderstand like you don't just go to jail and just think I don't know I don't even know how to answer that but you know I don't want to tell nobody to go to jail you know what I'm saying but if you want to figure out what it's like go to jail what I'm saying what does redemption actually look like for you
Starting point is 00:53:05 Uh, loving of my kids, man. Word. Yeah. Loving on my kids. I just want, you know, when, when, when, when, when I'm able to just, come on, let's go. You know what I'm saying? I'm in there watching. I never been on a cruise before.
Starting point is 00:53:22 And I just seen, like, I was, I was, every day the commercial come on. Yeah, that's funny. Max Beach just said the same thing. When he just left. He was like, yo, I can't with go on the cruise. Yeah. Like, that's something you just, it'd be little shit like that. Like, I swear, when I was home, uh,
Starting point is 00:53:36 Chick-fil-A didn't have mac and cheese yet. And so every day Chick-fil-A show mac and ronnie and cheese. I'm like, what the fuck? Damn, I got to get some macaroni and cheese. Did you try some already? Nah, I haven't been. But, you know, it's like little things like that, you know what I'm saying? So, man, like, I just want to love on the kids, man.
Starting point is 00:53:54 That's what my redemption felt like. I get them. I want to go on a cruise. I want to take them to Aspen in the winter, get a cabin, do the hot chocolate shit. I want to take them to Norway so they can see the water. I want to take them to Norway. Everywhere. Like Florence, my favorite place I've ever been was Florence.
Starting point is 00:54:09 I want to take them there so we go get some real Italian food. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just, I just want to experience this shit with them. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, like they deserve, they deserve me. You know what I mean? Everything I gave these niggas, all them 20 cars that I let everybody drive. And we out at Atlantic City all this time.
Starting point is 00:54:30 And, you know what I'm saying? I'm telling myself, oh, no, I'm getting the money so everything good. I could do this. I deserve. that's that's bullshit you know what I'm saying even when it comes down to what you asked me earlier as far as my daughter's mom like you know like no matter what happens as a man you stand up so it doesn't matter what what anybody says about me you know what I'm saying like you take care of my you take care of my kids I'm gonna love you forever it doesn't matter
Starting point is 00:55:00 like you know what I'm saying and I appreciate each one of my kids moms you know they healthy they all in school they all breathing they're all doing anything you know what I'm saying like and uh you know oh yeah and I want to say I appreciate uh my daughter Lauren's mother too she was she was there at the beginning of this uh bit for me you know when she didn't have to be you know she was going through her own thing you know what I mean so um yeah I just I don't have time for negativity man like I don't want to be a negative person I'm not even going to feed into no negative shit man and and that's how I'm gonna keep it going from here like I'm just gonna keep going up you in the right place what you give out is what you're going to track
Starting point is 00:55:42 you know you in the right place and I know it's only been 48 hours but you know what conversations with your kids have you had that that just hit different my son's funny as a my oldest son he's funny as half yeah he's uh yo I'm y'all hey now like chill baby boy you know what I'm saying if I had to do it see I'm saying you know he that one you know he that one work out oh the first day out he took my chain oh all my my my nephews too right yeah they took my my chain and my hats they took everything all right yeah they de-bole-me wear it up so uh my oldest daughter she you know she's she don't play no games neither she listen dad i don't know
Starting point is 00:56:28 what you're doing but figure it out i need to see you you know what i'm saying wow so it's just It's just, man, I'm just happy, man. Like, I'm just happy to, you know, see their face when that face time came through. And they, who, who, and you know, you see that reaction, like, yeah, Daddy Home. You surprised them, they didn't know. Some of them knew, but they didn't know exactly when I was going to pop up. Got you. Yeah, so it was like that.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Well, congratulations, man. I'm happy that you home, and I'm happy to hear the clarity. Yeah. Yeah. So than anything. Absolutely. You know? Thank you.
Starting point is 00:57:03 We appreciate you. I'm sure you'll be up here with some. Some music soon. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I got you, man. And don't rush, though. Get some cheeks for us. These cheeks, man.
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