The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: G Herbo Talks New Album 'Lil Herb,' Grief; Father's Passing, Family, Meek Mill, Funny Marco + More

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Today on The breakfast Club, G Herbo Talks New Album 'Lil Herb,' Grief; Father's Passing, Family, Meek Mill, Funny Marco. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're finished or y'all done? morning everybody is dj nvv jes hilarious sholomain the guy we are the breakfast club we got a special guest in the building yes sir we got g erbo welcome good and congratulations man the number one record a couple of weeks ago congrats man thank you thank you brother how are you I'm good I'm good I'm good how's it feel number one record uh it feel good I'm not gonna lie I feel great it feel great I just be trying to like stay in the moment real really just just keep it like up you know like when you when you got those type of moments you're just trying to figure out like

I, well I, me personally like I gotta figure out what's the next best thing like what do I do next from that like I try to live in a moment and grasp up that energy but just keep it going like I'm not trying to catch another number one I'm just trying to keep it going did you expect that to be the record

because it's not your typical book it was just you just spitting nah hell no for sure I was just literally I can't say it enough it was just me just having fun in the studio I was in New York and was in the studio me south side smat and you know south side like i really i'd be having to

give a lot of credit to big bro because he one of the only people that could tell me like rap on this just rap on this and figure it out like just rap and that's what i did and that that shit changed my life who kept it as a single he was talking shit on there he was talking about yeah who picked it as a single like was it just i'm just going to release and see what happened and it just took off like that's what i'm saying that's why like as artists you got to like really just bet on yourself for real for real because I was in a in a mold of just trying to do music and see what the streets connected to I didn't even like that song came out in December on my app I got an app on my own app like where I just put out music material content all this is just

for the people who really support me like you know what I'm saying my fans they know about the G-Hurbo app I put it out on my app on a project that I was just recording all samples too. I did a project with all samples and it couldn't even go on Apple music. It couldn't go on DSPs. You know what I'm saying? Like I put it out on the app in December and the label put it

out on DSPs in like March, April. So it's like you got to just trash it and just see what the streets fuck with. Congratulations on your app. I know you had an app. I appreciate it. Has it changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag? Absolutely. Because see I'd be thinking that you know a lot of people

be fronting on like the power or radio and having a big radio record. Speak to that, man. For sure. And you got to put money in radio, though. Like, you got to, like, you know what I'm saying? What you put in, it come out. Or go out on the wash, come out on the wrist.

Whatever that's saying is, you know what I'm saying. So I'm saying. I always been like, I knew because I've been independent this whole time. So I know about, like, analytics. I know about, like, residuals. I know what, like, one record could really change your life. That's right. I'm saying.

Like, and I finally caught that record that, like, that life changing record. So, yeah, the bag been crazy since the shit channel. And the royalties from radio are better than the screaming. Yeah, absolutely, for sure. And it's like, once you get a song that really go radio, it's like, it just, like, it just changed everything, for real, for a changes. Yeah, for sure. Right. Exactly. Like, you could put, you could put, you put, you put money in radio for sure for what it's supposed to do, but just like, even, like, it's a difference between like putting something in radio for just get on the radio but shit to get like rhythmic play playlist you know what I'm saying like all of that is just a big super difference like

I'll be talking to like make all the time it's just like once you get a record like I'm not even talking about what legit like it's certain records that like the format where you know it could go radio you feel I'm saying like I feel like every artist all you need is like one radio record a year just one like you feel I'm saying it ain't that easy to get one record right It's not easy at all, but, like, you know, hitmaker, that's my big brother. Like, he's the god of this shit. Like, you know the whole formula, he'd do it. Like, and that's why he's so rich.

Like, that nigga, rich is shit. Because he on radio every year at least once. He figured it out, right? For sure. Wildo Herb. While a little herb. I was just trying to, like, tap into, like, that old hunger, like, my old self. And when I be rapping good and shit, like, I'd be reading the comments and shit sometimes.

my fans be like oh that ain't they ain't je herbal that's little hurt you know what i'm saying like i feel like that was like one of my best eras of rap like i always been able to rap i'm i'm an emce so it's like i don't care if i'm not even all the way tapped into like my confidence and all of that shit i'm always going to be able to rap good you feel me but like once you really focus on straight rap yeah it's different and that's what i was trying to do so that's why i went and, like, name my album, Leherb. Like, I was going to, like, listen to old interviews, listen to old music videos.

I mean, watch old music videos, listen to old songs and shit like that. And, like, I was just trying to find, like, a higher, like, level of rap for myself, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I say this all the time. Like, you could really get caught up in what's in front of you. Like, I always been the type of person. Like, I say this.

a lot of rooms that I was in, I wasn't really in the rooms, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm thinking about, like, my past. I'm thinking about what I got to do when I get out the room. Like, I'm just saying, what's up? Like, there's certain conversations that I really couldn't have because my mind is all over the place. You feel me? Like, so, like, in this, like, era where I am mentally, I was just trying to, like, find that old hunger that made me enjoy what I have now. you know what I'm saying

like that's why I really named my project little herb because like you're like on the day-to-day I'm 30 years old I'm in rapping since I was like 16 for real for real like you feel me and I was trying to figure out like damn like like all the steps that it took me to get here

you feel I'm saying like I forgot a lot I'm not gonna lie it's a lot of shit that I did that I forgot so it's like I wanted to make myself remember so I had to go back and like tap in with my old self for real i heard you say little herb is a full circle moment and it's a return to the fundamentals but you closing the chapter on the little herb era what does what does what does closing that chapter actually look like um closing that chapter is like for real just

letting go like there's a lot of shit that i held on to that i just don't need no more like for real for like the streets that therapy talk right there boy yeah just letting go for real for and it is it is definitely therapy that help me it's like a lot of of shit that you hold on to you just like just let it go just let it go and just let it find you you know what I'm saying like no for real like I was one of them people that just like my heart so big and I feel like people knew that like people knew that like they they grab me and I'm grabbing them back you know what I'm saying like I'm holding on to that type of shit it's like that's just letting that chapter go like I should like and people have been saying this to me for

years and I've been knowing it but I never really acted on it like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music and my family and like God like that's the only thing that I should wake up and care about I shouldn't really give a fuck about how somebody else eat or how somebody else get to work or get the sleep or any of that shit and I worried about that for years like let's be closed in that chapter like I'm gonna tap into this tell my story and just let go for let go and let God for real for and that go for everything and everybody and it's a whole nother chapter open the fun me because everything that

got me here I don't I don't even really have it no more for real for like all my friends did I'm gonna be a real 100% independent artist I don't got no label no production company I'm 100% a real new person and a new artist

so it's like I just want to just tap into this shit do what I need to do and I'm already doing it for real but just like letting go for real like I don't want to have no attachments other than family no bullshit you talk about how did you balance revisiting like those old traumas with the grown man you are now like you're 30 so you you're a whole new level of life you know a shift to the phase of life you're not that kid 19 year old kid no more

yeah no for sure my homie my one of my best friends he used to say this shit like he only probably like eight months older than me he like bro once you touch 30 you just gonna start think he's like he used to tell me like I can't wait you turn 30 like he turned 30 like he turned 30 He, like, I can't wait, do you turn 30? Right. Because it's just like, it's like a light switch. Like, shit just, you know what I'm saying? Just tap me in for you.

And it's, for me, for real, like, I promise. I'm like, I don't be wanting to sound like cliche or corny or none of this type of shit. But, like, my girl is, like, my toughest critic. Like, she wanted people who really just, like, stay on me. Like, she tells me a lot of shit that I know. and I don't act on, you know what I'm saying, where it's just coming to, like, my business,

niggas around me, you know what I'm saying? Like, all of that, you feel me? Like, and, like, to kind of, like, tap into what you were saying, the question is, like, you just got to, you just got to really, like,

just go with your gut, your intuition, you know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of times niggas question their self and feel like, all right, but you know, you might know the answer, you might know right from wrong

and not do it because you question and how is going, like affect other people you know what I'm saying like and I'm one of them type of people but like I'm one of the type of people that think about how it's going to affect other people and like I was saying that like because my girl she

like she don't give a fuck like she don't care and you need that like you need it because like I really got to stop caring for real for real like I feel like I care too much and I like doing certain shit or not doing certain things because I'm figuring I'm feeling like it's going to affect people

in a negative way or whatever way it is you know what I'm saying it's like if you got a good heart if you just lead with what is right for you like it'll work out for sure

now you talk about meek mill changing your life right you said he was your inspiration yeah break that down of what you seen in milk that meek that made you think that you can do it

bro I literally I just got done listening to we gonna get this money right now on my way here like meek is my favorite rapper for real bro it's my big brother and I was just with meek last night

we just did a song last night We were in the studio last night, I believe. Yeah. Two nights ago. Yeah, we was in the studio the other day. But Meek is just like, like he's, like, I used to listen to Meek and watch Meek when he was a battle rapper. But when he really got rich and made this shit happen, it's like, all right.

But it's different from me watching like Wayne and Holve and, you know what I'm saying? Like, I couldn't, like, I could. relate to it, but it's like when I grew up and me, I seen them niggas rich already. I seen meek turn rich coming from the streets and going through all the shit that he went

through and really like talking about it and preaching like positivity and motivation. That shit made me feel like I just want to be like that for real, for real. Like that nigga really like helped me grow into the artist that I am today. For real for real because like damn like this

nigga Meek like it's not like he was an artist and he was like far away you know what I'm saying like I felt like I could grasp on to that shit and become that

like this nigga is a real street nigga that became the biggest in the world like he became the biggest best rap and he's a rap guy like I love rapping I'm an emce

so I study that first and foremost but just a blueprinter like a nigga like he like he gave you the real blueprint like you get on you take care of

niggas you do what you're supposed to do you take care your family your mother like that thing used to make me like i just used to have to just get money to my mama just like thinking about that type of shit you feel i'm saying like i retire my mom when i was 16 years old bro literally and they put a lot of pressure on me i told my mama stopped working when i was 16 she never worked since i'm taking care of her my aunties my whole family since i was 16 that's a lot of pressure yeah that's a hell of a pressure a lot of pressure but how do you now one more question i was gonna say so now you're the meek mill for a lot of these younger artists yeah so what do you show them to show them that they can do it what do you do different so because you know you got a lot of

kids watch you and they want to be herbal for sure like for me is I just try to like what's the word like you got to like show them like what meke did for real like being a example tangible you just got to show them like the thing with me that I feel like make a difference a lot is I let people see me in the physical like you know you. You got to see it, like had conversations, like seeing it's believing. You know, you could do this when you could actually get in front of somebody like me. Growing up, I never seen nobody that I looked up to and I wanted to be, like, in front of me, talking to me. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I just had to have manpower. Like, I could do it. I'm going to do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it happened for me. And when I got a certain age, like 19, 28, like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations with people. that I looked up to but like 14 15 16 them years really matter where it's like you know what I'm saying I try to be the person where I just go back and do certain things and go touch the

community and you know what I'm saying tell them that they could really make it like this shit is nothing for real like and I ain't going to say it's nothing like it's it's a task for sure it's hard but it's easy at the same time all you got to do is wake up and strive to to go get it and want to do it and believe that you could do it. You just got to have a vision, you know what I'm saying? And when I go look at like these kids and be going to talk and have conversations, like they got the same power that I got. Like they really got something in them.

They just don't think it's possible. This shit is really possible. Like they, when you wake up and all you got is this four block radius in your hood and the shit that you're dealing with every day, you think that's your life. But it's like it's so much outside of that. But all you got to know is how to break that cycle. And you know what I'm saying? Like that's the thing with me.

Like I feel like that's what make a difference in why people, like, believe in me because I let them touch me. I let them, you know what I'm saying, pause. Like, you know what I'm saying? I go see the people. I'm thinking about something now, and you made me think about it when you said you've been rapping since you was 19 because I can remember, like, your first first, 16. 16.

I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews, right? But then it started getting me thinking about all. All of these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through here the past 15 years. You talk about what's possible. Man, you are proof that surviving is possible. Chief Keith is proof that surviving is possible. For sure.

Sosa, definitely. You know what I mean? People like Dirk that's locked up. People like Bond, that's no longer here. Plenty other artists we probably interviewed from Chicago. How does that feel? It feel great, man. You know, and I'm going to say this again.

I'm going to shout Makeout real quick because he just told me the other day and it's like he told me this before but him telling me the other day it's just like it if it feel different it's a different feeling to him saying it's like he's like man when you the chosen one it's certain things that just affect you differently you know what I'm saying like and I learned that from the streets like I didn't bump my head so many times and did so much and been arrested and and fell off and came back or whatever the case may be you know what I'm saying it's like when you do certain things God just

punish you differently because you can't get away with that you know what I'm saying like you would think you would see somebody else doing it like oh he did it and you can't do that because God got a different path for you and like she said Johnny the kids didn't come home last night along the central Texas planes teens are dying suicides that don't make sense strange accidents and brutal murders in what seems to be A plot ripped straight out of Breaking Bad. Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people. There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.

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hands with everything. I know certain niggas that was real menaces in the streets that don't do nothing but just be at home with their girl and their kids now. Because they just want peace. Like, damn, I made it out. This shit, I can't believe I'm still alive. Like, a lot of people never experienced life to that

capacity where they're just grateful that they're alive, that they still here. You know what I'm saying? And it's a lot of people when they come and surviving, you got to make decisions and it got to be calculated. And there's a lot of that's just raised off survival where you would do anything it's a difference like when you

survive and you just raised off survival like I'm trying to explain that with like it's certain people where if you just like survive was your first instinct you would do anything that's right you would you would kill your closest friend you a snitch robbed robbed yeah steal from your mama your grandma and and you got to understand it's like that's just life it's certain people who don't know nothing else. They was raised off of survival. Their mother and father raised them off of survival. That's right. So it's like

a lot of people don't understand that, you know what I'm saying? It's just me being here today I try to like, I think that's one of the reasons why like I probably got took advantage of so much because I understand both sides of the fence and I try to

get everybody the benefit of the doubt. You know what I'm saying? Like I try to It's like I try to think about putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision, if I'm saying. Like I always, before I do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything. So if I do something to anybody or do anything, I thought about it so many times I'm comfortable with have it play out. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's only certain people that think like that, especially in life. And coming from Chicago, you got to think.

about both sides of the fence it's certain people that think a lot and it's certain people that don't think at all you feel me and this shit like it's a blessing to be here for sure for sure because i've seen a lot i experienced a lot i've seen a lot of depth and um i just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in chicago like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where it's like i was a kid and people used to like a lady walked i think i said this before on a breakfast club interview when i was when i was in shorty like a lady walked up on me i'm waiting on my mom, she's coming from the lingerie. A lady walked up on me, like, you got some C?

I'm like, like, what? I'm like, what? She's like, you got some C? She asks for crack. I'm like 9 years old. I'm like 9, 10, waiting on my mom when I'm coming to house. She's like, you got some C? I'm like, what?

Yeah. She asked me if I had crack, literally a kid at 3 in the morning. I'm outside because that's 9-year-old selling crack. For real, for real. So when did you give some to sell? Jesus. I'm just fucking. That's a statue of limitations with this shit, for real.

Like, evolved, I did sold some crack. It's a statue of limitations, for sure. But I always been one of those kids is like, I just wanted to get money. I knew how to get money early on, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I used to do shit to just get fly, like, get fresh and shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm blessed that I didn't have to do it for long, you feel, me? Like, I ain't had, like, I started really making money off music at 16 years old. That's great.

But I was outside, too, for sure. What was the first record you made money off? Was it the, the Nicki record, right? Was it Chicago? The first record, I actually, like, when we started making money, like, after Kill shit came out? Yeah, kill shit. Yeah.

I was going to ask with, you know, he mentioned Sosa, he mentioned Vaughn, mentioned Dirk. Have you spoke to Dirk? Yeah, yeah, I spoke to Smirk. I told the Dirk probably like a month or two ago How's he doing? Yeah, he's doing good for sure

Like mentally And that's the thing about Smirk If you know him You know he good Like That nigg is really A real discipline Mentally strong nigga

For real for real Like this shit just like He just like This just a part of his journey Like he know he's coming from under this shit We all know he coming from under this shit If I'm saying But like he's

he one of them type of niggas like he's never going to lose itself all he's doing is praying talking to his family like connecting with God you know what I'm saying like shit like that and yeah smirk definitely good

I spoke to him I sent them like a little snippet of music that I'm putting out and the music that I was saying his name in shit like that you feel I'm saying like it's my brother yeah so for

Little Herb right do you are you getting personal like are we hearing pain because you have been through a lot you said you lost your friends and then got rest of your dad so you know what I'm saying you've been through a lot of shit yeah so are we getting the personal we're getting the pain definitely definitely I'm speaking about like everything I feel like I've I covered a lot in this album yeah I'm really talking about a lot a lot a lot a lot and it make me feel

good though you know what I'm saying like it's like rap always been a form of like therapy for me I'm saying so it's like certain I don't really Like, when I'm in the studio, I just rap and just, like, I got to a point in my life and my career where I don't think about, like, how people going to receive it, like, how the world going to receive it, how my family going to receive it or whatever. I just speak about whatever is on my mind and go from there, you know what I'm saying? And that's how I pick the records, you feel I'm saying? Like, and I don't, I'm saying that to say, like, I don't really realize all the shit I'm talking about and what I cover. until I'm hearing it like on the speaker you know what I'm saying

I just go in the studio and rap and be like here a week later or two weeks later like damn I just said some shit like yeah now for sure like that this album is and you know artists say this all the time I feel like I always feel like this

but like you would say like oh yeah this is one of my best projects and like I don't I'm not even gonna say this my best project or my best body of work I really don't feel like it's my best body of work

but I just feel like it's my best era of rap. I feel like I'm rapping better than I ever rap before. Like, however they receive it or whoever, feel like this project better than this one or not, like, I just know for a fact I'm rapping so good and I gave it my all for sure. How therapeutic was this album, though,

in regards to your grieving process? Because I hear you mention your brother a lot, especially on Give It All. How did that help? I ain't gonna lie that. I've been dealing with deaths as I was a kid, bro like I lost I started losing friends when I was like 14 years old you know like and and I'm talking about that I'm touching on that in my out of my project but you got to really

like realize I'm 30 years old I've been losing people I love for 15 years like and still managing to wake up and make it happen and BG Herbo and take pictures and smile for the fans like I really didn't lost some of my best friends and had to go do a show. that same day you know what I'm saying like my homie cap died 2015 I had to perform in front of 10,000 people

I just had to find it in me a lot of people can't do that a lot of people like me I just lost my homie fuck this shit I'm gonna go spin like I wanted to go do the show like so it's like I feel like I'm really destined

for this shit I chose my own destiny I chose my own path and I'm saying that like for me to experience all of that death and feel like I was numb to it when my little brother died it changed my life.

That was some of the worst pain that I ever felt in my life, ever. Like, I could never, I never could fathom, like, and I'm a street, nigga. Like, when I wake out, when I walk out of the house, I feel like I'm going to die.

Like, you know, like, I really feel like that and that's what give me home. You know what I'm saying? Like, every step, every move that I take is calculated. And I never felt like he was going to die. You know what I'm saying?

Like, no bullshit. I never ever think, like, him, hell. No, I just, I never thought he was going to die. Every day I wake out, wake up, I really feel like I'm a die. I feel like somebody will do something to me. And that's just the life I live and that's just. You still feel like that? Because I remember the last time you said you feel like that.

You said you were going to therapy to help you. Yeah, it helped me with it. That's PTSD. It helped me with it. But like, nah, hell, no. And I'm glad that even going through therapy and, like, growing and healing the way that I've healed in my life, I'm kind of glad that I never lost that edge for real because that's how I protect myself

that's how I protect my children that's how I make sure I get back home you feel I'm saying like and I'm not out here thugging I ain't wild and I ain't doing no crazy shit some days I leave the house and it just be just me by myself no security nothing but I'm still on point I'm still watching my back

I'm still aware of my surroundings you feel I'm saying so it's like I'm glad that I never lost that edge for real for real And when, like, going back to what, you know what I'm saying, what you said, Shalameen, like, when I, when my little brother died, I lost myself. Like, I became an alcoholic, like a badass alcoholic. I never used to drink, bro.

I used to drink a fifth of liquor every single day. Like, every day by myself. And my girl was pregnant when he died, you feel me, like. And I was, like, I was trying to, like, not be there weak. around her you feel me because she she know i didn't been through shit like she didn't been around me and i didn't lost homies you know what i'm saying like and she used to like say shit like snap out of it like you feel me like she used to like say but it's like i can't it was just so hard for me i really couldn't for real like i used to have to

leave the house just to go cry like swear of god like just go get in the car and just cry for an hour straight because i ain't want to do that in front of her and i feel like i should I should have, I should have. But I was like, I don't know, I just. And when she say snap out of it, what does she mean? Like, not snap out of the grief, snap out of the hill and snap out of the crashing out. Drinking. Drinking every day and wanting to go to the club and just feel something because I really can't feel nothing.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that was like, that's what she used to tell me to snap out of. And it was like, it was hard, man. I ain't going to lie. Did people in your family try to, like, blame? blame you because you know for whatever reason when you're the person that made it when something bad go happen they feel like your success and your money could have kept that person from being in that situation um nah not really for real for real like honestly they didn't and that was like

the the biggest blessing nobody ever blamed me for real for real like and i had a conversation with my grandma and i said this when i did um this shit with uh with shannon sharp i just did a interview with him and um i had a conversation with my grandma and she made me like she it was one of the conversations that made me snap out of drinking and crashing out because she like man i already lost him i'm not going to lose you to this shit you feel i'm saying and she didn't blame me but like it was like my little brother was real like good nigger a solid nigga and I know for a fact he got killed because somebody wanted to hurt me

for sure it wasn't my fault but she's like you got to do it the right way like if you feel to like no everybody we grieve and we all going through the same shit but you can't grieve like that you got to go make it you got to make this shit happen

for him because it's like he's not gonna die in vain you feel me like that was the conversation that she held with me and that shit just turned me up and one of the last conversations I swear to God, my brother died at 11 a.m. or some shit. We was texting at 4 or 5 in the morning

and my last conversation with him was just like, I don't want to do nothing to see you in. Like, I ain't never asked you for nothing. Like, he never really asked me for no money. Everything I ever gave him, everything we ever did was just like a bonus. Like that nigga never asked me for no money ever. He never asked me like, give me this, buy me this,

put me on, do this, do that. And he's been with me. every step of the way, you feel me, he just enjoyed the fruits of my labor. That nigger literally never asked me for no money ever in life. And our last conversation was, well, I just want to see you in.

Like, I just want you to do this shit. And we was talking back and forth and I swear to God, the next morning that nigga died. So were you blaming yourself? That's why you was trying to escape? Yeah, for sure. And when did you stop blaming yourself?

I was definitely blamed myself because I just felt like, and I used to have these conversations with him. Like, I used to really tell him, And that's the reason why I had to go back and think and reflect because I used to tell that nigga like, bro, move to L.A. Like, he got kids just like I got kids. I used to really tell that nigga like, man, go back and take care of them every now and then

or do whatever you need to do, send that shit. Like, bro, just come with me, please. Like, I used to have that conversation with him. Like, bro, just come to L.A., move to L.A., like, please just come out here. You feel what I'm saying? Like, because I know what that shit like, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I used to talk to that nigga and be like, bro, just stop going back for real for real because i'm i'm thinking about that shit like he he my brother was in the streets but i feel like he was just naive to the fact like he really like like like i said like i used to leave out the house and feel like i'm a die every day he didn't had that he's more optimistic he didn't think like that you feel i used to think like that and it's scared me like i hate to see somebody i love walk out i'm like man this nica could die right you feel i'm saying and i was blaming myself in a way because i just felt like i should have Well, I could have.

I ain't going to say I should have. Like, I feel like I could have just, like, changed everybody's life by force. And you can't do that. You can't feel like you could save everybody. You know what I'm saying? And I stopped blaming myself when I just realized that. Like, I realized, like, it was nothing I could do for real. Like, I used to really, I used to think, like, that's why I was so fucked up

because I felt like even me being G. Herbo, being an artist, being a star, I wish I was really with him when that shit happened because it wouldn't have like that like i would have put my life on the line i would have put everything on the line 1,000 percent like the scenario on how he died i feel like if i was and you can't feel like that like because you know you're thinking about every scenario like i'm thinking like if it was me in there like i would probably wouldn't happen like i would have this this way but you don't know like you know what i'm saying god is like he's he is the person who control your destiny and say how like shit happened but i'm thinking about that and it's like i really used to like

really wish I was with him. Like, I just really feel like I wish, like, still, to this day, I really wish I just would have been there, like, because I feel like it wouldn't happen that way. How do you stop yourself crashing out, right? Like, we've seen it with Gilly, and the bad, one of the worst things about the internet is the internet to make you lose yourself, right? They'll trick you into taking you off the street. How did you say, you know what?

I'm just going to stay focused and grieve my brother, but still focus on my family. Yeah. Because a lot of times people be like, no, I got to get my, I got to get back. I got to do this, I got to do that. And it puts you in a word of situation. So we're talking about, like, what I said on the, the interview I just did with Gilley, it's like, naturally, it's like every action deserve a reaction. And I come from a place where it's like, you got to react.

Like, certain shit you do, like, even if you, like, some shit might happen to you today. And you make it home, when you get in the house, you're thinking about what the people going to say. Like, what the hood going to. say when I come back I gotta do something you feel I'm saying and I'm one of them niggas like me personally if I go to sleep like with it on my mind like if I'm thinking about it all day I'm going to have to do something like for real for real like if that shit stay on my brain and I think about it three times four times five times that's when I feel like is eligible for me to not crash out but react because I'm never going to crash out because if I was I feel like

the definition of when people say like crash out is when you react right then off emotion that's a crash out you know what i'm saying like whatever i do to you if i didn't thought about this shit and calculated my steps and whatever consequences happen behind that that's not a crash up because i'm okay with what happens you know what i'm saying like and for me like how i stop myself from doing that is like certain shit is not worth it like i know for sure i know my power i know what i could do you know i'm saying it's like certain shit is it's like i'm automatically not a person that like confrontation. I hate

confrontation because I only know how to deal with it one or two ways. Somebody got to fight or die or something. You know what I'm saying? Like, I only know how to approach it that way. Like, I'm not a person that could have a two-hour long conversation about something and get to the bottom of it. That's just not me. So I avoid

it. Every chance I could get, you feel I'm saying? So it's like, just you got to know yourself. You got to know, like, you got to know when people say things or try to push your buttons and just let them have it like I don't care about nobody saying I'm a punk or nobody saying I'm a bitch or

none of that type of shit and I used to for sure you know what I'm saying but it's like at this point I just think about my kids like literally that's the main reason why I don't do crazy shit because I think about my kids is like my kids don't understand what I got going on you know what I kids don't understand

if I end up in jail and I'm like what the fuck how my daddy go to jail and I'm I know what put me in jail I'm saying like I know what got me there I know what I did but a lot of times people don't explain that to their kids you feel i'm saying like and being a father like you got to be transparent as with your kids like with shit like that like if you make a crazy decision a life-changing decision you got to explain that to your kids yeah for real for real so they don't make the decision so they understand why my dad not coming home all that type of shit so i just

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