The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Ghostface Killah Talks 'Supreme Clientele 2,' Wu-Tang, Diddy, New Music Era + More

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

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Salomey and the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building. My favorite emcee of all. all time legend the icon this gentleman ghost face killer yeah go go go yo yo yo yo yo what up what up how you feeling man now we call him we calling king glad to be here right now man happy like three times right uh I think once twice twice twice twice it was twice it was right all right but I thought you know I was friend at the

wild was you know what I ain't a lie I thought you did I was like my man was telling me that he saw this he saw you had you had that face on like yo you know what I mean downstairs Everything happens for God wanted to happen. That's what I'm saying. This perfect time. Supreme Clientel 2 is out this Friday. That's right. You said you would never do a sequel to Supreme Clientel,

so what changed your mind? Nah, it was the fans. It was the fans. They kept calling for it. So I'm like, yo, for years, they was calling for it. So, you know, gradually, I was just, I started back then. Like, you know, I saved a couple of joints.

Every time I get a joint and I felt like it could be supreme, I just put it in the vote, stashes, stashes. So, look, on this album right here, I got like maybe like five songs from like 20 years ago, 17 and better on it, you know. How do you know this body of work was it, though? This body of work should be supreme clientele too. Because I kind of felt good about it.

You know what I mean? Besides the skits, remember last time I had like a few Iron Man skits on and stuff like that, but now they really, they own you now. You really can't really do it. So you got to just think of like, okay, which way I'm going to go? And that was one of the hardest parts I had, just trying to find like a theme behind it. You know what I mean? So, you know, it took me, it took a while.

It took a while. But I got it. I feel I got it. You know what I mean? But, and it's a vibe. You know, when I create albums, I create vibes. So if I could get ahead and hear it, like, all the way through, then I know I'm good.

Then I got my, I got my man's and then my player for, you know, I don't got no yes brothers around me. You know what I mean? So if they're like, yo, nah, tone, like, you know what I mean? Then I weigh and judge it and feel like I, you know what? You know what? Maybe he's right. I'll tell him like, yo, what I feel about.

it you know but I I made the end decision at the end of the day so on this project I just think that we got a good vibe or now how do you how do you navigate the landscape today how do you like the landscape of music and musicians today because you're the guy that drops and it gets out the way we don't see you like literally ghost face like get gone for years but but on tour so so how do you feel about the landscape today of music of music brat rap music I mean you know I mean it kind of shifted it's shifted you know what I mean to another region and I get it you know what I mean because nothing stays the same

you just sometimes just got to adapt to it but I realize that you just got to do you you just got to stay in your lane just stay right in your lane or whatever you know what I mean because for the people I came up with you know what I mean it's like they still there they still out there even though they probably got grandkids and you know what I mean whatever the case may be but you know this real music music still exists out there you know I mean not trying to take away from what else was it what else is going on but you just got to do you man I feel like with this Supreme clientele, too. It's not even like you channeling your era.

This feels like 86 to 88. Yeah, because I'm from that era. You know what I mean? So I love that error. You know what I mean? You know, I'm my R&B dude first. You know what I'm saying? So it's like just to try to go back and get a,

that's what I was telling you, like trying to just get a feeling. Get a feeling. Then I found it. Then I'm like, yo, you know what? Let me call a Thai buggy. You know what I mean? And get it more, just to more create that feeling. You know what I mean?

Because I was thinking like, damn, what i'm gonna go it like i was thinking about a lot of rapists i'm even lauren hill i'm like then she got miseducation to law and hill and this one got that one you know i'm looking at three feet high and rising and all the other stuff and you know 25 years from the last time we did supreme clientele it's like yo some brothers is dead you know what i mean and it was a vibe it was like you know people don't understand like if you got a baby you can't create the same baby right you know I'm saying so fans be thinking that Joe you gotta really do it you know I mean like this but it's you know you first of all these producers now they're not making the same beats

and stuff that they did before they caught up in like right now so is I you know I had to find a way like and you know like you said God's time is the best time so and that's that's why we're here now were you afraid to call the Supreme Court well not fear fear's not the right word but you do you have any hesitation about calling their supreme clientele too because that gives a different expectation to the body of work not really you know what me it's it's like if i got the beats and i'm focused and i got time i could do those all day it just it's just a matter of the the beat really the beats that could just drag me in there because the beats is everything every every verse i ever thrown whatever i have it said on the beat it's like the beat talk to me you know

i mean i don't know if that makes sense but it just music it just taught like it like when i did all i got is you just drag me there. Like, I didn't know what I was going to do when I got it. You know what I mean? I told Rizzi, you, I want that. Boom, I took it home and just went another way with it.

Just what I felt. And that's what a lot of tracks I make. So, yeah, but I'm confident in myself that I know that I could do those. I could do those over and over and over again. Just give me some time. And that's it. You said you sat on records for 19, 20 years.

Yeah. I can't hear that in the album, though. It doesn't sound dated. It sounds hard. Right. Like metaphysics. Right. Like the other one I did.

That was like 20 years ago. That's crazy. It was that. It was 20 years ago. The whole three verses was 20 years. Then I got a joint called Candy Land that was the same. I just wrote the second verse on that. You know what I mean?

And me and me and Mev got one called you my friend. That's one of them tear jerks the joints. So it's like that's from back then. It's a few of them, fourth disciple, like, you know? Yeah. When you said that when you hear a beat, it takes you there. So the first time you heard Impossible. Right.

What was your energy? Like what was going on in your world that you just picked that classic verse? It was the beat. It was the beat. It sounded like it was theatrical. So I'm like, I'm in the studio. We're doing forever. So, you know, I get up in there and I just heard that beat.

And I'm one of them guys that I don't just like a regular beat. For the most, when I'm doing that, I like for the beat to get ahead and just take me within the beat like break down just break down on certain points so I can just get ahead and just glide with it just go right into that pocket and slip out and then you know we go here we go here

like and that's what it just did to me but it felt like it talked to me like call the ambulance Jamie been shot where the Kimmy don't go so you my motherfucking heart like it just it just it just had me there and I think I might have came back the next day

and finished it because I just wrote a chunk and then I had to leave it alone like don't touch you no more like you know I'm saying like you come back and just and get it again why because it was too emotional or it was all like it was all it but you don't want to when you dealing with something great and you could feel it you don't want to just fuck it up you know what I mean you just got it like yo hold on just chill you ain't got to force it came back and just and just finished it off with that based on the true story um some of it okay some of it yeah um um my um my son's uncle had got

shot I think on around the 4th of July when I was like mother came down holding the rest with a gown on and all that it was like it was like when I was in that pocket it was like that one was was real like you know I mean a lot of other stuff I just added behind it like you know what I mean but the cop was real officer low and all this up shit yeah so you know I just like to go places what is the artist like you who's so great at storytelling on every single song tell younger artists when they come to you about trying to tell stories because they're moving so fast it's a lot different you take your time even in writing your music how do you mentor the younger

artists who don't really get that as far as writing writing yep and putting like composing an actual song from start to finish I mean like you said take your time and just think a lot of rappers nowadays I don't think they think you know I mean you know knowledge is infinite so what's like when you could just sit there and just this is art first you know what I mean so when you could get head and just use your mind and just just go man I don't care like when we did when I rounded when me and slick week we did the sun but didn't make it on bulletproof violence not like that because you really couldn't find a sample but it's like yo it's

just yo that's the sun you know what I mean you just got to like if you got an imagination you could just go there just go and I don't know how it is for other rappers you know because a lot of rappers is a one-dimensional you know I mean I'm like you'll give me country me let me let me let me dive in there you know what i mean i don't care just opera what i let me just let me just go in and and i've tried a way to finesse that i'm just one of those kind of guys so when i get the rmb tracks which is my best tracks i get hey i demo that i need a story here you need an abstract track you know what i mean it's whatever because i enjoy the the music of it like you know what i mean just the art the art form just period but i think what you said i think

the trend of I don't have to write I think that kills it right you know what it is not to cut you off yeah it'd be like now I'm hearing just like jury women cars bottles you know what I mean it's it's limited like you know what I mean like I'm not be thinking to myself with a cream would have worked today and we would have dropped that like you know I mean I don't know the only reason I think so is because I think about the artists who are really having real success They are detailed in a way, whether it's the Kendrick Lamar, the Jay Coles, and Drake.

I'm just thinking about the guys from the last, you know, 15 years. They are very detailed in a way. Right. I love them. Yeah. Like, they, they music, their lyrics do have layers. But they go, oh, yeah, but they could all tell a story. Like Kendrick can, he tells a story of some of his rap. Right. But that's what I miss sometimes.

I miss driving and putting myself into that story. Right. You know what I mean? Right, right. And I see it. Yeah. You said something, man, you said when you were Slick Rick wrote the sun, you like, yo, the sun, everybody can feel the sun.

To go back to the impossible verse, I always felt like that's, that feels like a breeze. I don't know any other way to describe it. Did you feel something like that, like a wind almost? I'm just, I don't know. I just knew that it was something. I can't even, I just knew it was something. Like, like, and, like, the way the beat was, it was just like, okay, it just got more, it did more and more and more, like, like, it was like a more.

movie you know and and that was it when I had to break it down and get ready to stop and just ended it and that's just how and I got a lot of verses like that like they just be like movies you know what I mean so I don't know if something did I was when I was into it something was it was it was God bless me with something and it was just on my back like like boom I just I just had to knock it out though you know when people talk about hip hop storytellers right like Your name is up there with the greats, the Slickricks, the Nazas, the biggies, all of those individuals. What do you think separates your style of storytelling from them? Probably because my emotions.

I could spell that soul on it, like when I did holler. You know what I mean? Like, old dirty was like, yo, he's one of them that gave me, like, a lot of my soul, too. Besides me being in the living room, getting kicked out to the living, you know what I mean when he was young. But, yeah, it was, I think it's a soul. I think I know how to, like, to lean on it. on certain tracks and cry on them and just like, you know, like, just do that.

Like, just dig in. Did you always feel like being emotional with like your superpower? Because especially in hip hop, you know, people often glorify being like cold and detached and emotionless. Did you feel like that was a superpower for you? I'm going to late on, late on.

Like, even when I hear all I got is you and I spilled that into that like that. A lot of times, it just, I don't even like the, I never really performed that. like I did it for John Rule one time and it was like I had to like I told him no like you know what I mean but he was like yeah come on yo yo yo you know what I mean

and I did it though like but um because it just bring back too much emotion yeah of that but I think but later on because even God bless the death fat man scoop he was like yo man he said yo when you did that

he said yo ghost yo I cried I cried because that's me I cry and I'm like mad people told me that they cried when I heard that record so I'm like if we not freaked me out but it was like I had to look and be like yo you making these people out here like a tear is literally falling out your face over something that I went like this then I start recognizing like like what it was like the gift or what you know like I don't I don't know like you know I mean and you know

It just gets deep after a while, like, when you think about it. Oh, you always thought about, I always wondered how did your family feel about all that I got it, yeah. Man, I don't even, no. You never, yeah, I didn't ask them, you know what I mean? Never have to ask them, never ask them. I just did it, because I'm a type that just do music, and, like, this album, I might even listen to it no more. Like, I don't listen to them. I just do it and get it out the way.

I feel like, I feel like sometimes you get there, you mad, you're emotional, the angry, you do it, and be like, I'm done with this. That's how I feel when I listen to your music. I'm done with it, yeah, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. Like, you've got to hear it over and over and over anyway. But yeah, man, it was, it just, it just be that emotion, man. Like, I don't know, like, you know what I mean? The things I said, especially on that record,

it felt like I gave people too much. You know what I mean? Like too much, but it just came like that. You know what I mean? So it's there. It's out on the world. you can't do nothing about it like yo but but you know people take it though do you miss the competitive nature of the group right wu-tang was was rocking and tight right you know if old d

comes with a verse you be like i got to eat his verse or meth come with a verse you got to eat that verse do you miss that element of it of course because even to right now it's like if we all getting there oh it's it's a challenge you know what I mean it's competitive we all trying to be better than what we want the best verse I want it he wants it he wants it he wants it So you're around a bunch of dogs in there that just want the same thing. You know what I mean? And I remember back in those days, like, yo, if you couldn't make it, or yo, you wasn't getting on.

You know what I mean? Brothers would say, like, nah, that's not it. You know what I mean? So we haven't did that in a minute. You know what I mean? Even if it was right now, I know a few brothers will get emotional. I'm like, you mean you telling me I can't get on that. You know what I'm saying?

But that's just what it was. Like back then, like, yo, like even myself, If Genius was on there like that and he and him and decking him and it was crazy I can't touch it I can't I can't do it who was the one that you was like I got to eat him That was always just coming on balls man god My God I'm talking lyrics I'm talking lyrics I'm not no I know what you mean um I mean It was it was everybody it was everybody like you because you want that number one spot

Like you know what I knew we're not to touch too like no tone you ain't got it right now let that go and that was it what's the one you what record did you hear that on like what yeah what's the one you missed i felt like crin i always felt like ghost should have been on cream not at that time not at that time no they was just him and deck deck deck had two verses mighty ones and you know other one to me was even better than that one but um really yeah yeah he was saying something he was he was really inspected real real so what happened with that other first I don't know I don't think he put it out yet wow I mean I mean yeah but I don't even think he gonna do

it you know what I mean something with some rubber bands like wrapped in rubber bands I got to ask him about that again you know I mean but um yeah um what was it again with no said what record did you miss that you felt like damn I missed that one I mean even when I did Cuban you know but I was on too much so when Ray did a Scarface when I heard Scarface that beat jump so hard it was like it comes on Shonky, like, like, yeah, yeah, and I was like, because I wasn't there, so I'm like, yo, when did he do that one? Like, like, yeah, but then visit was like, yo, nah, you're just too much, you're going

too much stuff, like that he needs some solo ones. So that one and, you know, I was there when he did spy rushes, whatever case may be, but, yeah, like, like that, but I know it was mega more tracks, though, like, you know what made y'all want to remix can be all so simple? Always think about that. I don't know if it was the if it was the label or whatever that called for the remix or

maybe Rizzer, I'm not too sure. Yeah, so, yeah, I like that track right there, too. I used to run around just screaming, baggy jeans, wilda be cloths, pretty women, I put it in them, shout up in them, deadly venom. Yeah, I'm telling you that and those was the days, though, those was the

see, I missed those days because when I used to hear like Biggie Nines and like it made me want to go right. And I can't even run home to go right no more. You know what I mean? Unless I'm hearing the locks or somebody that I really like that of my peers that I could, you know, that's getting busy. You know what I mean? But nowadays it's really not like that.

So a lot of times I don't even listen. I listen to more R&B than I do rap. You know what I mean? Because it's really not there for me. Like, like, yo, you just do it because you want to do it. Right. You know what I'm just saying? Huh?

No, go ahead. Oh, now I'm just saying, though, like, brothers back, like the mob, mob albums or Nass album drop. It was like, yo, I got to go right. Gotta go right. I miss those. I was just going to ask, even when we were talking about the song from 20 years ago, like, what does inspire you now?

Because you don't really get with a lot of the music now. R-N-B-wise, though, what do you listen to? Are you like, oh, I want to go now that you want to go right after? Arm-B? Yeah, like what R&B songs are listening to that? I mean, you got, I love Stevie. You know what I mean? So it's still the older R&B.

Older R&B. And no, and the Donnell Jones is and all. that uh jahemes and all that like i'll catch a few bars when i'm hearing that i'll just catch bars like like like like yo and be like you know what i'm gonna do one of these kind of tapes or whatever the case may be and just get it like like you know but that's that's i love that especially 90s what's your favorite feature on a rmb record your your your personal favorite verse you spit on an rmb record favorite verse or favorite record uh give me both then give me both um i never even looked at it like that before you never thought

about what's your favorite no space i don't i don't be doing that because people ask me all the time like you what's your favorite man i got mad records mine is freaking you remix with jodesty all right yeah all right that was that was a minute yeah ridiculous man you know what you might be right now that you said it that was i i'll pick that one that was a hard record i'll pick that one but the best one that i did i that that that that that that i had like was the one i did with bianca he made summertime sound grimy yeah yeah summertime is cool but that freaking not freaking no no that one that's number one that's number one that's more than she shay to me you know i mean but uh yeah no we was in pocket with that where was you what was the

what was the my tell me how that record happened he was in the studio with those guys international yeah we was in there like y'all knew y'all was gonna do a record or yeah we was coming in there to do the remix whatever you know what i mean but um i know that beat was that chunky though you don't mean when we got in there and they just put it on and And it was just crazy in there. They was in here drinking some red shit, some aftershock shit. What is this shit? Red shit.

Yeah, aftershock. Some shit called aftershock. I don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm like? So I'm like, so he was bent.

You know what I mean? And he was just, it was just on there. So just me and Ray, um, Ray caught his lines. Why he's catching his lines and catching my lines. and um I'm gonna show we just went and did it like he did

he laid his I laid mines and it just came out the way he just came out Hey yo sit back kick your feet up on the glass table grab the remote baby check my niggas on cable

I got the hey love album Plus joddy Roll it up the easy riders in the ass tray Full moans come quid up all up in the room You got the munchies Ice cold milk and lawn and dunes How you like it baby

I like it on the sink You freak me Butt naked and a long mink Oh my god man I'm a pal you want Study Islam, play it off. If my wife calls you, my cousin, Don. That's right.

That was crazy, man. Yeah, yo, there's adults with those days, yo. I don't know. It was something in the air at that time, man. It was just, it was just something. And then we was young. You know what I mean? So your mind is like, it's open.

It's like to whatever. It's just adapting to what. How did it feel performing it on Apollo? Oh, it was crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, we just, it was a moment. See, those was a moment. Like the same thing when I did with Beyonce at the, what you call me?

At the, uh, the garden. Forgot my verse right before I went on, like, scared to death. Well, I could the building was shaking. I remember you say that on the doc. Yo, nah, yeah, it was like that, but I just forgot the verse. Like, like, I knew it prior, but I just forgot it. Like, you know what I mean? Slickick over there, throwing chains on and this and that and the third.

You know what I mean? But then I'm like, she's singing it already. It's like, yo, I asked my manager, And yo, what's my verse? You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, Mike, what's this? He, he don't know. He's just a manager.

I'm like, oh, snap. Like, yo, I'm scared to death. Like, I don't want to do this in front of $20,000, whatever it is. I start walking up those steps. I saw a Dame Dash, like, right there from this, like, looking down. He must have seen all the truck shit up. You know what I mean? He's like, oh, I just seen his mouth say, oh, shit.

Boom, boom, it's coming closer, but I'm scared. Like, what the? But I got to go out there. I don't, you know what I mean? God just smacked me, bow. Yo, it just, like, it just, I just spit it up. Just as soon as the, it was my turn for the verse, it just, like, bow, and that's, and it was over.

That was it. And that wasn't an official remix, right? You did that on your own, right? Yeah, because my man, Tom LaRoc, when I was doing, Pretty Tony album, he was out there. He was out, he lived out there. So he's like, yo, tone. Like, you know, DJ Tom LaRot, whatever.

You're like, yo, I got this joint. Yo, I got this joint. You was Beyonce joint. I'm like, yo, played it for me. It was fired. You know, I just went and laid it immediately, and I gave it to God bless the dead, K. Slay. Wow.

Gave it to him, like, now, and then it was on from there. And I was still out there while I was getting played out here. So I came back from there after, like, doing my thing, and it was popping. Do you ever look back and really think about and take it all in the success of Wu-Tang, the biggest group, that logo? I mean, we have Pete Davis in here.

He has a tattooed on them. Right, you know. I don't like superheroes. But it's not only that. It transcends through generations. Like, it's not just 50, 60. You got 30, 20-year-old teens that still know that logo and still know y'all that superheroes.

It's in Target, the Walmart T-shirts. Y'all look, you ever look back and be like, Jesus, just some kids from Staten Island is just, like, we're going to find a way. As you get older, it hit you. You know what I mean? I started seeing it like that when I got older. When I was young, you're just in the mix. But when you try to put yourself on the outside looking in, it's like, yo, I didn't know it's going to be like that. I just knew that we was coming in to do damage.

I said, yo, ain't anybody, ain't anybody. We're just too ill, like, boom, but then after a while, it just turned into some cold. You know what I mean? And then you still hear, like, I seem to a lot of my favorite, like, not old, I'm like saying old school rappers, but you know that you want you look up to, it's like, yo, we still selling out.

Like, right now, and then my best year with these guys was like the tour that we just did. Like, like, yo, like, you know what I mean? It's met 30-something years later. later. So, but yeah, nah, it's an amazing, yo, man. And I say to myself, I'm like, yo, like, I know there's people that went to the grave with that W. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I be in Australia. One kid pooped down his pants. It was like, yo, his whole thigh was old dirty bass's face. Like, yo, you know what I mean? Like, yo. And I'm like, yo,

wow, like, I'm just grateful. I'm just, I'm just humble to be a part of something that's living when they said it was forever and you know I guess the universe took it like that because I'm seeing like seven old kids and stands you know what I mean little one even little more than that the shirt's on I'm like damn like it's still going you know what I mean so I don't know I'm just here to keep that flag to raise whatever flag I could raise and just keep it

movement going like that's why it's so interesting that you drop a supreme clientele two at a time like this because back in 2000 when you Hey guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as a people's princess. But now, you're also going to know me as your favorite host. Every week on my new podcast, Fud around and find out,

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Nah, we were just zoning out because you know what happened. Remember how I'd be saying like, yo, Iron Man was like, they only gave me like a few months to get ahead and to do that. Yeah, you bugging. Every time I hear you say that, I'm like, yo, you're bugging. You'd be like, yeah, you didn't like that out. Because you know why? I just rolled all over Cuba Links. I just rode I just skating on it and they get ahead and you know I got rushed with a contract

I'm young like you know what I mean so it's like when you're gonna hit me with like four five hundred thousand dollars but I gotta hurry up and do it in like like two months like 60 days something like that it's like I had to make a decision you know right then you know you be like hold on gee but that's that yeah I is that I took that you know me but I was under press under the gun my best friend just he done got caught for something that a that he didn't commit it was dark diabetes is on you you know I mean so it was just it wasn't you know it was just it was gloomy for me then I'm shooting it out with the Delphonic's it's just bad things going on you know what I'm saying

it was just mad it was just crazy but I got to sit there and and and try to what's him or call try to get this thing done so it was like the only thing I really liked about it it was a couple of songs I put all I got is you you know me But the album cover was the pride of flies album cover ever did. But, and that's, that's it. But I'm just saying I skated on links, right? But then it was like, okay, I didn't, you know, I wasn't satisfied. So when we got the Supreme clientele, it was like, okay, I had more time.

You know what I mean? I think I might have did like a quick six months real quick. I'm not mistaken. Then came back and finished it all. But, yeah, it was just. it was just something that I knew that I always could do because at first I was going to name my first time I was going to name that Supreme Clientel

you know what I mean but they was like or Iron Man which once I had to ask I asked Rizzer Ray and him they just went with Iron Man first Iron Man was classic yeah I don't care what you say I've heard you say I heard you say that I heard you're gonna drink champs yeah I'm like what yeah man is a classic record wildflower cam made Daytona 500 Nutmeg no nutmeg was on Supreme Clientel That's preen yeah but come was like God dang

I get it, but it was just, maybe because it was just a spirit. It was, it was kind of like dark and cloudy to me, like, like, even rap-wise. I wasn't really like, like, dead with it. I had to hurry up, and I don't like being rushed. So that's why I don't get deadlines no more if I'm doing music. I don't want no deadline, like, let me go. You know, the first time I met goes, I was drunk as hell at a party. Some party Wendy Williams and was throwing, and I ran up on him outside and started rapping wildflow.

You didn't even say hi. I remember that. I remember that somewhere, yeah. Yo, bitch, I fucked your friend. Yeah, you stankhole. I seen on the elevator. Honey, grab my can go. That guy.

Word. Yeah, and you did tell me back then, you know, yo, yo, my favorite rapper ever, man. Exactly. Nah, I respect that. Absolutely. Word. Sometimes I write a couple of bars, a couple of songs,

and I might think, like, I might think of you. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I wonder what he gonna think about this. You know what I mean? Like, yo, like, you know what I'm saying? So, nah, that's love right there, though. right there though you know in the press release for the supreme clientele to it says a real rap no gimmicks right it's like you don't like you don't like gimmick what do you say

what you i saw a press release and it was like this supreme client tell is about real supreme clientele too is about real rap no gimmicks oh okay but when you will walk when you had the the stocking mask on back in the right right and you were ghost face killers you did you consider that a gimmick no i ain't just not not i wasn't even thinking like that well just like yo it was It was ghost face. It was like, you know, where I got the name from mystery of chest boxing,

you know what I mean? The guy, it was ghost face. Ghost face killer, you know, he came back after 20 years and just started like doing what he do. But I just felt for some reason

at that time, I thought that name applied to me. You know what I mean? So, you know, I threw the mask on. You know what I mean? But I took the mask off. I took the mask off

because I didn't really have no other masses. Like, I had a stocking cap on. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, you can't really rap all day with a cat.

happened on like that so you couldn't breathe you heard so I'm like yo now this got to go man you know what I mean but you know as sign went on like now you know they got things like that where you can throw a mask on it you know do what you want to if I would have kept that mask on it that would be crazy that made y'all mythical figures even back then because you know you'd be talking like yo yeah what's wrong with ghost face people like y'all think his face is disfigured definitely he's on the run you got mad run you got to run yeah I heard the run and all that I heard all that you know what was it it was it was just

It was just ghost face That's what you wanted to do You know, during the recent interview There was always a rumor in New York That that Puff banjah from radio That was a big rumor for years and years and years And you kind of confirmed that So that was true

Yeah, yeah, yeah How you acting like you don't know? You was a DJ I didn't work at that during that time I was doing mixtapes Oh, no, no, because yeah Riz was telling us He was like, yo, he said yeah

Puff admitted to it He was talking And I think Riz asked him the question And Puff agreed to it You know what I'm saying And I'm like Because it was just like After that hot 97 thing

It just went haywire It just went things just went down It ain't even fell right no more And if Puck did that That was a nice chest moment You know what I mean Because he told Riz and he said Yo but y'all was just too like coming up

You know Hold on did Dirty did that Did Dirty do that before that Or that was after Dirty did it at the Gramies. He did it. That was after. After, after. He did after. I mean, that had to be like 98 when Dirty did that. All right. Yeah. So we did forever in 97. Right. Right. Yeah, because y'all were nominated for album of the year. It was a rap comedy. No Way Out. Life after death. Woutting

Forever. I forgot what else was in that category. Right. So yeah. So he was like, yo, he said, I'm like, yo, puff is like saying like, yo, that was, I guess we was just competition. You know what mean and um yeah and it just was on that that time like there so we yeah they they banned us I guess we should have just stayed on and raised against the machines yeah how did that make y'all feel back then when you saw like even now but when you saw all of those white people embrace wutan y'all was so pro black still now though so militant yeah yeah yeah yeah they started coming I don't know I always think I think about that and I just thinking that might have been the

knowledge we was I mean first of all you got nine members we up there like when they're fire man everybody is just different unique in their own way and I don't think I don't think they probably ever seen nothing like that it didn't especially when you got brother speaking the truth and you know like like like like like like people when you hear the truth you become attracted to that you know I mean and everything else so I think it's a few things that um that uh that got the whole world just to just a coming not just blacks Latinos and stuff like that

So yeah man And it's funny because when we go overseas It's like it's like mania Oh shit like You get more I say more love But it just feels like They just on it

You said you made more money In the last couple of years And you made before touring right With the new group Well with this group I know there's always problems with the group Would y'all consider keep going on tour Because y'all made more than y'all ever made

And I know sometimes The groups is the most difficult thing everybody got a schedule everybody got an emotion of feeling right would that continue to happen what's your thoughts on it I mean I think so you know what I mean like when when Riza said he said he said he said um a couple of years ago you know we gonna do this Vegas thing and then we going we're going to just uh uh do do a tour then we ended it off right there but didn't it like that's it just flew by so when he was up here telling y'all like yo that shit was a shock to me like hold

What are you talking about, bro? You know what I mean? And, you know, final chapter, this and that and the third. And I'm like, I ain't here about, I, I ain't know that it's right now. You know what I'm saying? I know it's right now. Like, like, yo, so, but in my heart, in my heart, I feel like we still got more to give. I don't think it's over, over.

But I just didn't understand the fact of like, yo, like, damn, the final chapter. It's like, nigga, we're still selling out. Right. regardless like like like you didn't have to call it that you know what I'm saying well that's just something else like like you know and but you know whatever it was it was beautiful have you talked that all

have y'all talked at all about continuing after this final tour once that was done because we left that last tour everybody was like phew we didn't you know what I mean just everybody just went I think we might got some dates coming up in Europe probably that they trying to do or whatever but um not to really be like yo all right where we're going from where we going from here

you know what I'm saying but um like I said in my heart I feel like we're going I feel it ain't it you know I mean when you got Bruce Springsteen and these beetle cats yeah going and sharing all these it's like nigga what money go get that shit but I got so many records together solo like y'all be on stage for four hours yeah we do yeah and it'd be hard to pick some time from the records from like that or whatever then you got some brothers with less records that's like yo now you can't do all that because you know what I mean These guys got to, you know, whatever, whatever. So it always be like that.

That's one thing about us, though, like, we can never make a straight decision. It's too many, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? I want to bring a white, furry couch out on stage and do all this other stuff. And, yo, come on, no, we got step of wardrobe up. Yo, we can't be out here looking like we 93, like back in 93. Listen to that in the third. Yo, because I've seen them, I've seen Bell Biff DeVoe in them.

Matter of fact, the whole new edition. at New Orleans That fessons Yeah Yo flies of fuck They change their outfits All together Yes

I'm like yo that's supposed to be us I'm telling Ray like Like yo look look look Boom boom You know what I mean But then when you bring it back to the guys You'd be excited But then it's like nah

I'm not throwing that on Just snat in the third So I'm like once you get three and four Saying they're not doing it The whole idea is a rap Oh he felt like Wooten and New Edition With like cousins because when you look at Wu-Tang

and you look at New Edition they both essentially did the same thing you can't name a group where damn there every member had individual success like that like they come together as a group and have super success but then they break apart

and do BBD and Rout Transman Bobby Brown Johnny Gillen they all have success You ever had a conversation about that now I wanted to go on the road with them you know what I mean like yo let's see how that would go

you know what I mean but yeah no we never really like I mean I know I was in the conversation It was, though, but, you know. The endless thing about Wu-Tain, I've read all of y'all books, right? I've read Ray Book. I read your book, you got.

Thank you. Y'all was so deep in the street, but that's not what y'all put out there in the music. Y'all chose to talk about the lessons and, you know, talk about God and, like, give people something of substance. Was that intentional? Because y'all could have been the street,

super street rappers if y'all wanted to. I think in no reality, I think with us, I think we just, I mean, I mean, besides the street stuff and stuff I think we just respectful we just good dudes man that when we was young you know you were surrounded by a bunch of um not a bunch but you know certain people that was intelligent that was giving you mathematics and they're trying to guide you in the right direction you know what I mean and then you know Wu Tang is like like mainly all guard body you know what I mean so when you when you on the bus traveling you know

and them less and start getting pulled out and this and that and the third it just it just shapes you know what I mean so a lot of that like my seeds run with his seeds married his all that you know what I mean all that is like part of that it just it just it just it just it just what your mind was at like and you know and you you know we did me that we mix it up with that mixing up with that you know you know but um yeah for the most part you know did you ever did y'all ever have conversations about yeah we could rap about busing our guns we could rap about robbing people I know y'all do but not like the the over glorification of people like now like nowadays you got people that just lead with that and probably

never even yeah yeah no um nah man we just we just we just we just do what we do bro this you know what i mean whatever if that track is like that if it calls for certain a little bit of that whatever whatever you know what i mean we throw a few that in there hit him with this hit him with that and you know a couple lines you know you got risen them they risen like a doctor bro you know what i mean so that's why his dogs be like all scientific you know what i mean even genius like you know I mean that's why you know when I was saying like yo nods and jeans is like my favorite rap is like yo it's like you know he's smart he's a genius for real real so it's like and I learn a lot from him you know what I mean so from all of them

mainly but yeah he's just one that really sticks out like if I had his words and shit it'll be different that's crazy his words like his vocabre I I was in school I ain't really listen you know what I mean like you know I mean it was just I'm in school But the vocabulary, if the vocabulary was more, it would be trouble. Have you ever heard yourself, man? What are you talking about? I'm talking about it. I know what you're saying with genius, but damn.

Yeah, like them, it's like it's just on another level. And how I look at rap, it's like, I just, I don't know. It's just a certain way of how I see it. So I know, like, if I was just throwing around the words that when he be throwing around like that, but putting it applying it to how I do, oh, it's just, this, this, this right here, it'd be a field day. Damn, that's heavy praise coming from you.

Yeah, man, come on, man. When you look at the documentaries and the TV shows about Wu-Tang, do you feel Hollywood has ever told the full story, right? No. I mean, basically not, not, not for the Hulu's things. You know what I mean? I mean, not for me.

I can't speak for a night. I can't speak on that. For me. like the Tony Stark story, you know what I mean? I didn't get a chance to tell nobody my story, like my side. You know what I mean? But, you know, whatever is it had did or whoever was the writers for that, whatever the case may be, you know, they did what they had to do.

You know what I mean? And I'm glad he did it because it just opened us up to like a whole new audience. You know what I mean? But, yeah, but my side of the story, nah, it's different, bro. It's different, different. so I didn't I don't feel like they did that not with me why didn't you get to get to the studio to get on the heaven record man on jv Magna Carta yeah I thought you were supposed to be on the heaven record with Jay he he did I think I might have did that

maybe maybe I think I'm gonna tell me he didn't I think I think I remember right I remember writing to it you know what I mean and I don't know if they use it or maybe I I didn't, I can't remember, man, maybe I didn't, you know what I didn't, you know what I didn't, you know what I'm saying? What happened? You didn't make it or he wrote and he didn't use it? Didn't make it. Did I, did I write to it? You got to beat Ray, Ray was on his way up there, too, and stuff like that.

Oh. I don't know, I don't remember what happened, but I know you didn't make it up there. I remember right to shooting them corn to go up to, I think Ray made it up there. Did Ray do it? No, Ray, not on that regular to you. for Ray on it unless you are right oh i yeah man because i always the first time i ever heard heaven i'm like yo this sound like a rhythm and you know j started off arm leg leg on head i was like yo ghost and ray would have been crazy on this and then i heard i caught bars to it though right

yeah but you never went up you never made it up to lay it oh okay i know i did something to it was right yeah all right cool because i always i always wanted to hear you and j on the record ever since to do it again video when you and uh cap and ray was in the video yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Now, I always wanted to get busy with Jake, you know what I mean, but, um, you know, Jay, Jay, you know, I guess. What makes you not show up to the studio? I don't know what I was doing that day. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't remember, but it was, it was something, though. But I would have did it though.

If I was writing to it, I would have did it. I don't know. I was just one of those. I don't know, man. I just, you know, damn. Well, ghosts got to go. Hold on. If Ghost never picked up a microphone, where do you?

think Dennis Coles would be right now don't say that it probably wouldn't be good wouldn't be good because we was out there doing it we was out there still on you know I mean I was I mean Rizzo had to tell me like yo listen man you can't really you can't mix a park with beef bro you know what I'm hearing what you're doing that this whatever whatever whatever whatever and I had to make a decision you know what I mean so that route that I was in it was um yeah it was even in jail dance somewhere or whatever whatever the streets would have been calling for

that's what it would have been that's why I say it wouldn't have been great let's get into a joint off the album what you want to hear go you want to do rap kingpin you want to do the joint with Meph you're my friend

what you want to do what you want here? I mean you can do both I forget dude do that then you do join with Mep you know do that day

do that day all right well let's get it to oh you got to hear the Paws get too on a ghost out oh yeah yeah yeah hold on now because yeah man the pauses the pauses it's like yo yo i be getting him with the pause like yo and you know we're for the error when we just talk like yo where's that i'm 10 songs and i hear that yet i'm like you ain't hit a pause kit no oh come on when you get when you hear the album all the way straight through i you be like oh snap

oh this is gladden me that poor skit i had to do it because it's like yo anybody pausing me You know, this is, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is how I talk, bro. You know what I mean? Like, like I said, when I told you, I'll blow your head off. Pause. Yeah. That's a, but I'm serious.

But he's like, say, pause on there. You know what I mean? But, yo, it got, you know, the pause game is too much right now. I don't even think I ever told somebody pause. Like, you know what I mean? Boy, but I'll be going at it all the time with the poor. I mean, I be like, yo, he's crazy, man. Yeah, man, I can't.

right, my rhymes, like, you know what I mean? Without the engineer telling me, because he's younger than me. Yo, yo, yo, I don't think that's a good, you know what I mean? You know what you're talking about? You don't mean that's good. Nick, this is my shit. I'm talking like this. Yo, but you know, this is, then he got me thinking, you know what I mean?

So now I got to change it up. Like, I'm not used to that, yo. Nah, the dude on this kid said, nah, we let you live for a long time. You know, back in the day, you said, yo, we eat fish and toss salads? Make rap balance? He's like, yo, what the fuck? I said, yo.

You know what I mean? That's a fresh salad. It's a fresh salad. You know, we called Tos House back there, fresh out. But still, I mean, I'm a jail, nigga. This is 9 and the 3rd. What a salad got to do with ass? What are you got to do with ass?

They just continue from right there, though. But, yo, man, yo, no, it's the game is crazy, man. We appreciate this, brother. Absolutely, man. No, no. The Hobbes out right now. Yes. Out.

It's Ghostface. Gap City. Hold on. My brother, Dredge right here. We can do this compilation in this Jap City. Yeah. Come on, King. What up, Driz?

Pull up. Who love? You on the club right now? Yeah, we got that Yacht City compilation coming up next. So we just want you to look out for that. We got Soul Thing on the album as well. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Was that those artists or? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the label.

We don't go to this album, Supreme Two Soul Thing, and we got other artists as well. He said, he's talking about the record Soul Thing, but that's all, you know, him, Rick the Villain pills. Oh, yeah, Rick got busy, yeah. My two sons on there, you know what I mean, NIMS. Yeah, yeah. Iceman, Bronx, man, you know.

Ice your whole. Yeah. Ice your haul. Yeah, he's talking about it on the record. On the record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But ice your hall or she on the label, too. Absolutely.

Pick up that album. Supreme Clientel, too. Ghostface Killer. It's the breakfast club. Good morning. Hold on. Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up.

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