The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Isaiah Rashad Talks 'It's Been Awful,' M.O.M, Sobriety & Career Journeys, Sexuality; Sex-Tape Leak + More

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Today on The Breakfast Club, Isaiah Rashad Talks 'It's Been Awful,' M.O.M, Sobriety & Career Journeys, Sexuality; Sex-Tape Leak. Listen For More!YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's got a new album out. It's been awful. The good brother Isaiah Rashad. How are you, sir? I'm great, man. How you feeling, man? I feel good. Skin looking, lucky.

I'm trying to follow you. Oh no, he had to go through too much for that look. I'm on the same shit. Oh, that? I did a whole bunch of bad shaving in college and stuff. I've been having to do laser and all these other stuff. Chemical pills. Do you get your eyebrows done?

You get your eyebrows done? No. I do not get my eyebrows done. Yes, he did. He said, me too. The hate is. He goes through a lot. And y'all act like men can't have, do maintenance on themselves.

You can, but you be not trying, you'd be running from it. Who will be running from what? You always tell me you don't get your eyes. I don't get your eyes. I don't get my eyebrows. Welcome. The conference. They look pretty manicured.

Okay. In no way, shape, of form. The arch at the end, right? Yeah, exactly. Okay, well, to be honest, listen. No, listen, listen, listen, listen. Back in the day when I was in, I don't even think I was in high school. I think I was like early 20s, some girls told me that Tupac got his eyebrows arch.

And so they convinced me to get my eyebrows arch. And I think when it grew back, it just had a permanent arch. Okay. That's what I believe. That's a good way to look at it. It's the truth. What you mean? It's been awful.

Yeah. What's been awful, Isaiah Rashad? Because when I hear the album title and I listen to the album, but really the album title, it sounds like a confession. Like what's been awful? The industry, your personal life? I mean, an amalgamation of everything. You know, I'm just a human being at the end of it.

I went through some shit to an extent, but it was, you know, between being an artist and the expectations of that and I guess my deconstruction of my masculinity it's been a lot of getting to know myself. Who deconstructed it, though? Did you deconstruct it, or did you let the Court of Public Opinion deconstructed? Because I wondered, did you face it before that became public,

or were you already dealing with it privately? I was already dealing with a lot of my own stuff before. I guess it was, I'm blessed to how everything happened with me and the reception of everything, because it allowed me to, like, step back and really re-examine what I was doing. Because regardless of, you know, how much I love myself, I still have to be like, I put myself in an irresponsible situation for anybody to be able to control my narrative.

Yeah. But at the time, because listening to the project and then hearing you say that, like, you felt like it was kind of like a blessing of how everything happened. When did you get to that point? Did you instantly feel like, okay, this is a blessing? Yeah, I mean, at some point in time,

I accepted that they don't make a manual for being, like, a bisexual black dude. or any of the type of shit they don't have a you know and it was less like hiding myself from anything more so like not knowing how to

not be ostracized you know you mean yeah so also you got to control your holes regardless of their men or women because who the hell was recording you I mean if you listen to the album

if you listen to the album I go into a great amount of detail about where I was at and the the influences I was under. Yeah, you said you was on... A lot of shit. A lot of shit.

I was on everything under the sun. But that's no excuse for the behavior. But, and that's the main thing for me was like, I'm responsible for myself, responsible for my family and all that type of shit. And that's only, if I have any regret of anything, it's just like not being ahead of it. Because I thought about talking about this stuff

on my last album. Because all that tape shit happened before the last album came out. Before House of Burma? Yeah. That's why on this album I talk about how I wasn't being honest with, I guess what I owe the most, like it's my audience, because they seem to love me pretty genuinely. I don't like what things like that happen to people.

And I tell you why, because I feel like, you know, your personal life is yours to unpack it when you want to unpack it. Yeah. And I think sometimes when things like that happen, you know, publicly, you're forced to try to explain things when you may not be ready to explain them yet. I feel like I've always been under. some type of divine guidance. I grew up in the church

and, you know, I kind of grew out of wanting to go as much but my life has definitely been led like, I feel like it's purposeful. I don't feel like I'm an artist just to make money. Like, I'm here to affect change in some type of way. So I feel like,

you know, it happened. It was supposed to happen. And my life is better for it. Yeah. Did that moment break you or free you? or both? It's a little bit of both at the same time. You know, anytime you don't get to control how you want to, you know,

how you want to be perceived. Yeah, yeah, you perceive. And again, it was like me understanding, again, like, what was, for the main thing, what was like, what was masculinity to me. It made me confront a lot of stuff that I was saying about women and a lot of stuff, a lot of ways I was expressing myself

that was really coming just from a place of insecurity. I mean, I feel like I've gotten to love myself a little better. And my family, man, way better open conversations. We were pretty open before, but that was, like, all on the table all the time. Had you had talked to your family, like your mom and different people before, all of this stuff? Because you said you were kind of dealing with it. Yeah, I definitely, like, my homeboys, more than my mom, I talked to my homeboys about everything I was going through. So they were the ones who were at least like, they was like, what the fuck are you doing?

Like, why are you, you know? But they, my homeboys, like, they know everything about me. My brothers, yeah. Oh, so they knew beforehand? Yeah. You know, you have conversations on tour just in life, and, like, especially when we was drinking and all this type of stuff,

you end up talking to your homeboys, like, bro, I had to talk to you about the, and they'd be like, all right. And so when you like that, it's more so, you know, respect to my own privacy to my life. It was just being irresponsible with, you know, being under this shit and allowing things to go out. My only thing was, why you had to let Dr.

Wumar down there. Why they had to be white. Like, what are you talking about? On the table I saw. How can I let, I don't know, Dr. Umar probably will. Buck with me anyway. It's cool. Respect to that buddy. Right.

Right. Do you feel like the culture gave you grace or were you forced to heal in public whether you wanted to or not? I feel like if you listen to my music on the back half of it, it's always been kind of fluid.

it. You know, it's always been pretty emotionally, emotional and romantic and, you know, and everything that rap usually isn't on the front, on the front side of it. Yeah. So I feel like it was prepared for it. I live in a pretty whimsical life anyway, how people perceive me, you know. So I feel like the only people who were upset with people who viewed me just because I'm like, I don't know how to put it, like, more feminine.

that they were surprised, and that was the whole deconstruction thing. Like, what does that mean to mean? Did it make you realize that the Illuminati, not real? Because, you know, they say when you get in the industry,

you got to do strange things and then you blow up. They told me. You should be like Drake level, if that's the case. I heard that. I passed my own humiliation. They told me I got another 10 years

of debt, so, you know. Word. Yeah. I love the act normal record, too. Thank you. you talk about how your whole family was sex addicts. And I don't think we don't have enough. You listen to this shit.

You think I'll just have you up here to talk to you about sex sex? Hey, man. We got no, bro. Hey. No, no, that's cold. That's an important record for me. Because I feel like we don't have enough conversations about environment. Yeah.

And how environment shapes us. Men don't have enough conversations about their formative years and how those formative years turn us into the people that we become. And sometimes we've got to unlearn a lot of that, you know. That's been a main thing. It's been the heaviest thing And to do it without blaming To do it and realize

That the men That she would Take me to go She'd on their wives Or whatever That would, I would call You know, my uncles or whomever And my dad or whatever

They When I look at their fathers And the lack of their lives It's like I can't I can only be so upset You know what I'm saying I could

take what happened to me in the past or what I saw them, but I got to be responsible for that. I got to give them grace because, you know, a lot of them don't have the same opportunities to see the world and experience it as open as I am to have the growth. So, you know, it's my responsibility

to at least give them that. Well, what's crazy is you talk on the record about how when you was 12, you know, they said you want to see some nasty shit and your daddy kept your stash. They basically were showing you things. A lot of times, guys show the sons that because they don't want their sons to end up Yeah, you end up hyper-sexualizing your kid

and a fearful, preventative type of thing. You make them worse, low-key. Did you all have, so when you came out, did you have a conversation with those men that introduced you to that? My uncle passed, I don't really talk to my dad. No, but I talk to the men who's still in my life about it. Luckily, most of them are pretty positive influences, but it was good to talk about what happened.

to people I look up to. Did they understand when you went back, like having that conversation, are they understanding or are they just positive? I feel like the people who know me just knew. Like, they know exactly, but they were like, this isn't that surprising. Yeah.

Yeah. What did this experience teach you about masculinity, especially in a genre that rewards a certain image of what a man is supposed to do? It, what did it teach me? I guess, like, the most characteristics that are pushed are like negative you know the

promiscuous nature and how that's promoted and being cold being a good dad isn't like promoted being like responsible isn't promoted being a leader of your community without having to without getting the the accolades is being a leader of the emotion and how you treat people. That's not really there. And real men cry. Real men, you know what I mean? Real men cry.

Real men feel things and real men question themselves. But to go through life is like just sure of yourself and being, coming off, Invincible, could just lead a kid down the wrong way, feeling like he got to insulate himself in that type of character. You know what I mean? So, yeah.

So what are your superpowers? That's another record I like on that. Oh, man. I got crazy empathy. And as somebody who's in constant recovery, like I said, I mess up. I'm not perfect. Nobody know a junkie like a junkie, bro.

Man, I feel like that's what I'm here for. You feel like you was a junkie? I know now that I'm talking about you was a meth. I go to AA and shit, bro, and I'm comfortable with being called a junkie from another junkie. Don't you, don't, if you ain't never did drugs, going to talk to me about it.

But if you're an alcoholic, like, just because I don't drink today, I'm still an alcoholic. You know what I mean? That's some shit that's going to stay with me for the rest of my life. And it's just how I'm genetically built, too. You know what I mean?

Come from a family of it. Yeah, I'm already, you know, and pre-disposed to it. My mom used to tell me that all the time my mom used to always tell me and my brother, watch that alcohol because, you know, alcoholism runs in both sides of your family. You might be saying that to me too.

And my grandma. It's real. You're an alcoholic. I can't handle my liquor. I try to be a lot more disciplined, now. Like I do challenge myself. Like I'll fast, I'll set days and times just to make sure that I can control it a bit because you get to like socially doing it so much. And then you start depending on it for certain things. Like, oh, I got to take a shot before I do this. And then once you get around

people that will call it out, like he be on me. And then I started to notice like, all right, well, let me try and challenge myself to like not. Because I would come in here in the morning and be like, you know, I need like two shots before the show start. Just to feel like in my... As early as hell. You see what I'm saying? But even like I'm thinking about college, like we would drink before we went to class. That was a thing too. And I thought it was regular because it's college and then you get in real life and you're like, nah. The college ain't real, real life. It's like a simulator.

Yeah, it's a bubble. Yeah. Yeah. I felt that same way. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What do you think you were trying to run from or escape when you were getting drunk? Like, what was you, was you numbing yourself to something? Yeah, definitely, man. I got, you know, I'm like going down my list of stuff, but you know, I have unresolved,

parental stuff on both ends, like respect to my relationship with me and my mom we still have stuff to work out and you know I just my father stuff I feel I don't like getting too heavy into it in my 30s I'm like handle that versus complaining about that I don't think it's complaining yeah but that you know and then just substance going from college I mean like I got signed when I was 21 so and getting signed and and getting thrust into this world especially then during the blog era was just and partying was normal like we used to when in college we used to drink Everclear and set it on fire.

Damn. No. For fun. That was a challenge when you first got to my college. Like if you could drink it and get through it, your first Thursday, like you had, it was kind of like a hate saying. Just hearing the word ever clear, but yeah. We was doing that, we was doing that and.

Cardi 151. What school would you go to? MTSU, Middle Tennessee State University. I was so off of that, right, on Super Power, I mean, on Happy Hour, that's the, you do like the radio skit. Yeah. Right? So you do the radio.

skit, then you talk about your addiction, you talk about your mom and how she's, like, crying and still not helping. Are you, tell me if I'm wrong, are you comparing what you're experiencing in the entertainment industry, like that being your escapism, but then also comparing that to, like, drug use being your escapism too, and how both of them are kind of, like, feed in the fire? Oh, happy hour? Yeah, because I'm like, why bringing, why start it with, like, the radio and, like, the, you know, unless you're signaling, like.

Oh, I just be making shit. Oh, okay. Yeah, I just be making stuff. A lot of stuff that I do isn't necessarily like planned. They just, I have patterns that I recognize. And I'm like, well, this will sound good on the same project together? But the radio theme was just something I wanted to do anyway. I've always been interested in radio.

Because I heard that part and then not just the name of it. I'm like, I know. It's because of, not to cut you off, but it's because of the variety in the album. Got you. It's like to set it up thematically. Because I don't really do concept album. But it's like, it's an underground radio. It's a smorgas board.

for concerts sounds. So it was like that. Got you. And it's just something, it set me up pretty good. When I heard the beat doing that, it's easy for me to come up with shit off that. How is, Mom? You talk a lot about her on the album, but you start out. She's on the final. She just went back to Tennessee. She was out in Cali with me last week. Okay. She's working with special news kids.

We're good, man. I love the acronym you have from the man on the mission, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You'll make me think you got a ghost rider, man. You don't remember your goddamn. I get my dad. I'll be writing this shit. I write the shit, man.

I just be doing it in passing. It's writing is just kind of second nature for me. Why is that acronym? Why are you? You're the man on the mission. Why is that mom? I just thought it was cool. Okay, okay.

I guess I can make it deeper. It was just cool. And the first verse I kind of talked about my mom a little bit. So it was like that. And I just thought it looked cool to than man on a mission. Do you have a deep mother? one? No, not like deep.

I think it's, I empathize with my mom's desire to have changed her life at some point in a way. Like when she see what we do or, like my brother produced most of this album. That's so fire. Tim right there.

He produced half of it. I empathize with her desire to, you know, she kind of, I know she wished she could have done different things, especially after seeing what we've been capable of doing with just determination. So I empathize on that.

I wouldn't say I have like a crazy mother woman. I have a desire to take care of her though. More than I, I didn't used to feel like I needed to, besides like helping pay bills and I needed to take care of. But now I do. I feel like it's my responsibility

to take care of her on this ride with me. Who took care of you the last five years? Him. Your brother? Yeah, he's my sober buddy. Was it? What else kept you away? Or were you just working the whole time?

I was working. Okay. The first, like, after we put out, you know, all this shit happened, like, right when I put out of the album, like, right, right after it. So I was still in the rotation of a creative drought to an extent. But it definitely, like, refueled me to just talk about my shit, every aspect of it. How did your team at TDE show up for you during that time?

Brandon was just like, don't start wearing purses. That was it He was like, I love you, nigga Just don't come up here wearing purses I've heard of the straight men wear purses I just got a big ass back Right there, right now, man Yeah, I still, but, you know,

Who am I, I can't speak on straight shit You mean, I mean, you, what you're, He was about the, shut out I mean, I don't know, man, I don't know I don't know, I feel like, I feel like I'm a, like, you know, like a ship Like if you bought a ship and then you change the sail

and then you change the floor and then you change the fucking metal in it. Is it the same ship? I don't think that's what you did that bright. I think you can be in the ship but it's a different path. So you can be going straight, then if you're off to the left a little bit when you want to, you might get back straight. I am

my experience more than anything. You know, same thing with anything. The reason I asked about TD, because Q was on the album, in a real brief, right? No, he's not on this one. He just did heavily promotion. No. Who's that talking to you in a card? Who's that talking?

I thought you said Q. It's your brother. I swear I thought you said Q at some point. No. No, that's your brother. Oh, I don't know why I thought that was Q. Okay, okay, okay. No, Q not on it, but he was important.

He was talking me the whole time about it. Did they make jokes? No. They kind of know where to draw the line. Yeah, yeah. Mac probably will next time I see him, you know. Top dude. Top will be about some shit.

What's how to be saying? I can't quote that, man. Okay. He just said, keep your hand out the cookie jar. I'll leave it at that. All right. You know? Just keep your hand out of the cookie jar, man.

I get you. I was trying to understand. Oh, never mind. If you know, you know. Okay, all right. Okay. Nothing. I had a risk.

Nothing. You go to try to me. Stop making this awkward, man. If you got a question, this is asking. The man, the man's here to have a conversation. The cookie jar, I thought cookies was for, like, the ladies. Yeah, man. No, I thought she had something for serious to say.

No, that's the whole thing about, like, keeping on the cookie jar. But they always be like the cookie, like the pudding, you know. But why you can't be there? You like cookies, too? That's what I was trying to say, and I don't understand why you can't have your hand in the cookie jar then. Just don't be greedy. Don't be greedy. Don't be out here doing shit, putting yourself in compromising situations.

Just because you are who you are. Fated and horny. Like, don't do that, you know what I mean? But you don't be faded like that no more for a right? Because you want to start a journey. No, no, but still, you know. Yeah. But I'm going to addict, man.

I mean, like, do a lot of the time. I didn't want to talk like a broken record. But I did act like I was fucking okay. And I wasn't. Oh, I sucks. Yeah. But that's what I mean about having to hear. in public. Like, I don't think that's fair to anybody.

Yeah. But, like Prince said, like, you signed up for this. Did you, though? I don't know you did. I mean, just because you didn't know, you didn't do all the studying that you were supposed to do to know what could and couldn't happen, you signed up for it. But I don't know if you could study enough

to avoid what happened to you because you were in a different space. Like, you are, you know, you're doing drugs, you're doing these different things. So, you're not thinking as, like, straight as you... You're still responsible for yourself. Very much true. Yeah. Yeah, regardless, you still responsible for you.

I think about how so many of our greats probably died, depressed, you know, dealing with high levels of anxiety, probably were driven to do more drugs and more drinks because they couldn't be free to be who they were. Yeah. I think that's more of a prison than anything. I think that's more of an indictment of us than it is them. It's, you know, man, the black spaces are so at their best, like, so beautiful

and so celebratory of everybody. But at the same time, there are pretty rigid rules. It's pretty archaic stuff that, you know, and nobody wants to be ostracized, you know, at the end of it, I think that's really it. And we just slow to change on the front. But black people, it's a million versions of us with community and with love.

I feel like it's just a mainstrand. dream idea of black that takes a while. You were, when everything happened, you were in a relationship at the time, right? Are you still in a relationship now? I'm not talking about my personal life. We were getting real personal, so I thought. I'm talking about dating that all no more. I get you. I'm only, I was only wondering because at the time

when it happened, I just wondered how it affected everything. Oh, man, she was pissed. She was just pissed that it was, yeah, she was just pissed that it was out. She was like, what? It was like, why are you recording that shit? And I'm like, I don't even remember that shit. Damn. Yeah, I was sitting at, you ever been to Zaxby's? Yeah.

I was sitting in Zaxby's eating the chicken salad and a fry. Don't know why I was eating them together. That shit made you do all that? No, I'm not. I mean, that shit. Matt, no, that's when it happened. Matt, he called me while I was sitting eating a chicken salad. He's like, don't go online.

I'm like, what? And him and Top FaceTime me together. And that's very rare. So I'm like, what do you mean? So I went and I was like, oh, fuck. It was, I mean, I don't know, bro, I'm pretty, I accept things. But the most part, outside of my initial reaction of like, what am I going to do? It was like, well, if I don't fuck up my bread, I'd be straight.

Be all right. Listen, you weren't committing a crime. You just had your private life. You would think. But that's another thing. about our community, it felt like a crime to some people. So, you know, what am I to do with that? Did the industry treat you different after that moment?

Or was it just behind the scenes? Was it business as usual? No, I ain't seen nobody in five years. Ams. You know, on like industry things, I do these rounds, and then I kind of go be a little country boy afterwards. So, you know, I couldn't tell no difference. Yeah, everybody sent the verses back.

We weren't no difference on that, you know. You mentioned your money. Did it mess up money at all? during that time? I don't think so. We're straight. Let's talk about that being from the country because I'm from South Carolina. I don't think people give us credit for how progressive we can be.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Of course you have your closed-minded people, but for the most part... It's everywhere, though. Yeah, but for the most part, I'm sure you got love. Yeah, in the crib. Hell of love. It's way more fucking positive

community than people like to think. And people in the country are just curious versus close-minded. They have a desire to leave. You know, people want to see stuff. People be proud of you when you go do some other shit. We do to get a bad rep for that type of stuff. I think that's slower, lower.

Like the lower you go, things like slow down. So like people... No, it's just priority of work, I feel like in those places. You know, it's more grounded versus being slow. Is this more of a cry for help or a message of resilience? A message of resilience for sure. It's just for my junkies out there, my addicts and my people going through any of that type of stuff. It's a hug.

It's my hug back. Like, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate y'all sending messages and sending mail and stopping me in a store. The funniest one is when an older dude will come up to me and Target and be like, worry about the people, man. And I'm like, bro, I'm just looking for socks. Thanks. You know what I mean? It's like that.

But this is, my music is my opportunity to hug people. You know what I mean? It's the closest I can get to, like, ministry. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Do I look high? Is that a feeling you've felt before? Do I look high right now?

Not really? Yeah, no. I'm just bullshit. You don't. No. Yeah, I mean, that was probably the most personal one for me about everything I was going through. Mm-hmm.

Was it tough to write? No. It was refreshing. Anytime I don't have a problem writing like honest stuff I have a harder problem just occupying space with bullshit I mean being honest is easy

And that's what I got from the album When I'm listening to the album I'm like He got a lot more issues than that sex tape Like the sex tape is not even It's really not really an issue Yeah not as much But you got a lot of other things going on Yeah

You know you reference your sister a lot Yes I couldn't I didn't understand Is she missing? Or y'all? She was in jail. Okay, okay, okay. She got out recently. Okay.

But she was gone for the past like four or five years and I didn't realize how much like not being able to talk to my sister on that level would be. And especially talking to her when she's in a pretty down situation. And like it's hard for me to be like, she's going great. We're going whatever when she's not doing well. That was a big part of it. And having my connection with my sister despite like my relationship with my dad is super important. important. All right. Yeah. Well, what did, you mean, you've always been open about your mental health as well. What did, what does, what did rock

bottom actually look like for you? Even after everything happened. Oh man, going to shout out to the people at Thelma McMillan in Torrance. I went to an outpatient for about a year. So it was like that. It was, that's what it looked like for me. It was building myself back up. And I'm just learning to love myself and realizing like re-loving myself. Realizing the only thing I did wrong was how I did it or how it was, like, behaving.

Of course, the substance issues, but who I am isn't a problem. It's just sometimes how you do it ain't right. On, do I look, how you talk about loving yourself and somebody saying to you, or maybe you're saying to yourself, but don't do it too much? Don't love yourself too much? No, no.

Love yourself, but don't do too much. Like, you know what I'm saying? Don't, don't like, do. Don't go overboard with all this shit. Really just don't get fucked up just because you in a zone of trying to immediately numb out and, you know, catch that euphoria, you know. It's more on that type of zone. Just don't do too much. Don't over drink.

Don't overdo it. Don't over ego. Don't do too much. Over ego is very important. Very important. People don't talk about the ego. Enough, there's a great book I love that I actually recommend. it to everybody called ego is the enemy by Ryan Holiday.

I have to have it. Tim right to do. Yeah. No, for real, it's a really, really good read. What did you learn about your ego in that moment? Because that's, it feels like the ego would be completely scripted away from you in that moment. What I learned about my ego in that moment?

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You know, and you got to understand. You got to understand that it's still a possible version of you. You know. I don't feel like you just separate that from the person. You got to be aware of how bad you can get. When did you get to the nutton to hide phase of the story? That's another great song on the album. Man, honestly, bro, Dochi's denial is a river.

made me really think about how I was like, I guess, was like, lying by omission to just, I feel like I can't just be honest with my homeboy and be honest with this girl that I'm dating and knows everything. I'm like, my superpower is being honest all the time to go back to what she said.

It's more of that. You remember that denial? You know the song, but you know what that came from. That came from Wendy Williams Show. For real? I was there. I was her co-host. I know that.

And this guy, this woman called in to say that her boyfriend was on the download. But she wasn't really accepting it. So Wendy told her he's gay, he's homosexual, he likes guys, basically accepted. Yeah. It's easier for your mental, just accept voice in front of you. See, I love the story you tell it on this album, right? Because it go from the New Sublime, the mom, the son. same shit, boys and red, superficial,

scared to look down, happy hour, do I look high, ain't giving up, get to know you, cameras, act normal, 10 states away, then nothing to hide, then once you free yourself, now you got your superpower. Now you got your superpower. Yeah. That's ill.

Thank you. I mean, of course that's intentional. Yeah. I got help from Matt and Musa and shit. When I'm understanding, Dot had a hand in it and Top, they definitely convinced me to go with this track list. My track list originally was more. centered around the radio thing.

Okay. I was kind of like, I wrote everything, but I was still trying to put it in a way if you listen to it, you could either hear it or... You wanted to dumb it down for people? I guess I was just afraid of being so blunt.

I feel like you weren't really as blunt. I mean, you were blunt, but I still feel like I had to listen to it like twice before, like some of the stuff you put it in there very subtly or like it's like a backtrack while you're saying other things, so you've got to hear it. For real, I feel like people still really

have to listen to. Well, you read it. If you read it, I was very intentional, and we got the lyrics if you read it, it's right there. It's real bold and blunt if you read it. I thought it was great, though.

I felt like we went on a journey with you because when I first started listening to it, I was like, this is so dark, and like, I just want him to be okay, and is he okay? Is he okay? Is my mom okay? Is sister okay? And then by the end of it, like, once you get to get to know you, it's like, now you can vibe a little

bit, and like, I don't know, like it's not uplift but like the music physically like changes it's it goes through a wave yeah yeah but also you'd be shocked how many people don't know what happened yeah you know what I'm saying so it's I fuck with people minding their own fucking business I'm not mad at that I'm never mad at that type of shit you know but and it's like that's not my identity it's just something to happen and I feel like the how I behave it determines more than anything else that's a great way I always tell people don't let you a setback come your identity. Yeah.

There's a lot of people who have a... I don't even know if you would call it a setback. It was just something... It was an unfortunate situation. For me, personally, this is the best project ever made. And if that shit would have happened, who knows if me and my brother would be working together in this capacity, who knows if right now if I would probably be still sneaking and geeking.

You know what I mean? I feel like I said, I feel like everything I do is by God's hand. and that's why it happens. What did healing require from you that music alone couldn't fix? Man, I had to cut out being annoyed all sometimes. And just, you know,

the one thing I got to do is quit smoking weed. My dude, my counselor is like, you cool, but still, if you cut that out, your risk factors are way lower. So it's just on that, you know, maintaining myself. It's the main thing. Is weed like a gateway to other things?

It's not necessarily it. Some people believe it is. I don't necessarily think it is, but I'm not a professional. I was watching a sermon yesterday. Tim Ross was speaking at my church, and he has this book called The Miss and Peace. And he was talking about when you're in the midst of all of the noise and the drama and the chaos,

a lot of the things you lean on to, like, settle you during that time, become the vices that you should get away from. And people use weed to do that. It's a crutch. Yeah. And he was saying that, like, we know that, like, weed isn't, like, the end-all, be-all. It's not horrible. But if it's something you're depending on like that, that disrupts your peace because you don't get real peace until you can get past something with all having to go to that thing.

Similar to what you were saying about the social drinker. For me, it's like if I got to change my mental or my state of body to go be around people, I don't even need to be there. Like, I don't need to be in that environment. And I haven't grown to the place that I'm ready to be there. besides like, you know, the challenge you're going. But if I don't feel comfortable, no. Drinking ain't going to make it better. I'm going to end up being friends with you for an hour

and then forget about it. And then when I see you again, you're going to have this energy that I can't match. You know, so it's like it's better just to be yourself. It is because, and also I hate the anxiety of it all. I hate being around a bunch of people that I don't know. And my mind is like, what are they thinking about me? What do they know about me?

You know what I mean? It was so crazy. And you know, like, they, you know, you probably know, they're not even thinking about that. They're not even considering that. And just being in your mind that much is, that fucking be torturous. Right. Tell me about Boy in Red, which is? Boy in Red.

She shows you a lot of love. Oh, man. That's my sister, man. Boy in Red, man. It's really, that's another beat, my brother, mate. But it was just some whimsical shit. It was some whimsical shit. And on top of that, I was really inspired by Prince's if I was your girlfriend.

him. That was another thing about the deconstruction. I was like, what does that mean for my relationship with women? Like, how am I supposed to like treat them in a more compassionate I feel like being in this industry or just

period. It'll have you kind of using people. Very transactional business. Even if it's just like for entertainment on some like, I only fuck with you, we just go on dates because you're cute or whatever type of shit. It made me really reexamine how I treat people.

And with more compassion, not even with more compassion, but stop fucking people I don't really fuck with because I'm abusing them by doing that. To a certain degree, right? Leading somebody on. If you don't really fuck with them and you're hitting them up because you bored, lead them to fuck along.

But what if this person just want to fuck too? And this person is like, yo, I say, let's hook up. The power dynamics don't match. And you got to recognize your power dynamic. Even when it's two men? recognize your power dynamic Is that why you say Because one of your lyrics you're like

Let me be your boyfriend If I can't be a boyfriend Let me just be a girlfriend You're talking about the fact that Like as a girlfriend Like as your friend I understand when I'm The power dynamic is often

When I'm hurting you And men with women Normally don't do that I was saying on that It was more so I'll be whatever you need me to be If I could be with you And I could

I'll cook for you Clean for you I'll drop you off at work if you need me to. I'll go to work with you if you need me to. It's like I'll be whatever. It's very much so between princes, if I was your girlfriend, and then I got the title from this singer, Girl in Red.

She has a song called I Want to Be a Girlfriend. Those two songs influence me to write that art. So what if it's a woman, right? What if it's a Cizzo? Cizzo got more money, right? I mean, she's a big artist. Then I'm going to be a stage. a home dad. That's what I'm saying? She's like, yo, come

on, but what did she say? I just want you to come over and eat this pussy real quick and then you're out. If anybody wants me to be a stay-at-home dad. You're down? Let me know. I'm really good at it. Let me know. No, it won't just be any woman. No, it got to be a woman that can make sure you're good at home. Like a sister. Like Nia long or something.

You know what I'm saying? She said you got signed NDA's and you better text her back in least in 24 hours. We do all that. I've text back right now. So you're willing to be used? I'm willing, yeah, use me. We hear to be used. We hear we choose, but like, it's how do you want to be used?

I always say if you can't be used, you're useless, but don't let people misuse you. Yeah, exactly. Yes. But I think what you just... Get along call you over to eat that box. That's not misused, sir. You're fine, you're perfectly okay. Yeah, I'm fine.

I'm gonna cook afterwards. Yeah. For show, I make a crazy crap cake. I make a crazy brandzino, too. What if she don't like seafood? We make a crazy salad We make a nuts Minutes dude make a nut salad

That's nasty That's nasty You're fucking crazy You shouldn't say A nut so salad You know what the fuck I mean A beating salad A fucking bean salad

You didn't say that We heard you Come on bro I'm just telling you what we heard Seaman I'm gonna tell you what we heard Okay I walked into that one

Now are you in a better place now Are just more honest About where you are Oh man shit's shitty But shit's gross great. I don't have like bills do or anything like that and I'm on top of myself mentally today.

I'll let you know tomorrow. That's a good way to look at it. Right now I'm okay. Yeah, I don't feel no tenseness in my stomach. I'm fine. The crazy thing, once again, I want people to hear this project and that situation that happened with the tape that's really nothing

compared to the real life personal things that you are trying to do. Yeah, it was a symptom of the of everything else. True. True. Yeah. Is this album closure or just the beginning of a different version of Isaiah Rashad? I feel like if you track me from all my projects,

I've been able to kind of time capsule the different stages I was in 24, 21 to 24, then 29 going on 30 to now on 34. You know, I feel right now how I thought I would have felt about my life and music around in my 20s. I'm like, motivated to keep going. I wouldn't call it a different phase. It's not up to me to do that. Like, I don't, I don't look at myself in that degree. I'm just here today. I think you know as a human

when you have gone to another level, though. This is the first time that I've enjoyed my sobriety. Wow. Wow. And the first time I can say, I'm doing it for myself. What does that feel like? What is enjoying your sobriety feel like? Man, it feels like at 1145 at night. sitting in a hotel in New York, that bed look real good. And waking up, not fatigue, feels real good. And shit. Yeah, like not feeling drawn. You know, because that's come from an emptiness.

Like, wanting to be entertained by people you don't know or just being out like that, to an extent it comes from an emptiness for me when I indulge in it. So it feels good. It feels good to end my call. in my day talking to him or on the phone with my kid, it feels better doing that than having a bottle of tequila. And, man, acid reflux sucks.

I haven't had acid reflux in, like, almost a year. And that's a blessing. What have you replaced those vices with? Is it exercise? Oh, yeah, I exercise a lot. I haven't gotten a lot of gains just because in my diet. I could have a lot of meat and a lot of sugar and stuff. So I'm still, yo, you got to stop.

You gotta You gotta fucking stop All right You're doing it You don't have to pause Yeah, I ain't gotta pause nothing That is true Yeah, nothing's pause

Yeah, nothing's pause for me Take it how you want to take it Yeah, I don't know Pause We can do this We can fucking do this We can fucking do this, no But you know

It's just it's been maintaining myself I definitely work out I work out every day We do a lot of journaling he paints my little brother is a fucking battery for me of influence

he's the most I don't know I just don't want to see my little nigga cry standing over me passed out on my couch I don't want to see that no more did he like was he the energy you needed

to make this album he slowed me down okay more anything yeah so he was definitely like I don't even doing that I ain't going there He definitely slowed me down

I needed that And again everything happens I believe divinely for me Absolutely Yeah Did pain make this album better Or did it just make it Feel more necessary

Pain was just The honesty It was just true It was pain just existed I don't know if it made it better I hate that Like that we have to channel

The darkest shit for entertainment Like, I don't like to think that. I like to think that hopefully my next project's better than this. And it doesn't have to be as, you know, heavy, but it was necessary. And it was a step that was taken. I don't know if that's our fault. Like, I think about that often. Like, you play with the card you dealt, right?

Yeah. So if you dealt with trauma, but then God also gives you this gift of whether it's entertainment or comedy, whatever it is. Black entertainment at its highest usually is rewarded for being fucking sad. We go through some sad shit. We go through some sad shit. Yeah. Like, you can't get a we're going to be all right if we're going through something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, even, I think, too, the reason why it's, like, people tap into it so much is because a lot of times we breeze past the things that we've really going through. So when somebody take a minute to actually sit down and do a project, like, what you've done, they're like, oh, wow, someone's finally, like, doing it. You need somebody to talk to you. Yeah. And for some people that is, that's that.

Like, you breathe past, you said, I don't want my brother standing over me crying, and waking me up, like, not sober. And you said that just so, like, just move on to the next thing. And I'm like, I looked at him because I'm like, oh, my God, hearing that, I have a little brother. I can't imagine how I would feel as the older sibling and how that would hurt me. But you have been through it.

You just, it's just something you just go through. I think, I mean, that's, I think it's how I'm built. I think it's like, I wouldn't call that another superpower, but I don't compartmentalize as much as it would sound. But maybe I do. Maybe that takes some unpacking, too. But, yeah, I don't think, I guess that's how my mind set up, really. I take things for how it is, and I don't question it too much.

I'm like, oh, that's bad. Tim cry bad. I don't need to think too hard about that, you know. I mean, that's about, because you don't want to hurt the people who love you. Yeah, especially people who I know, I know he deal with his own shit, but I'm like, this thing is a pretty, godly upstanding person, you know, or at least attempts to be. And it's good to have that kind of measurement of a personal realm.

Was there anything on this album that you were scared to say out loud? No. Besides thinking, like, a handful of my friends, a handful of people, on top of my own shit, it was just talking about act normal, like my friend's moms being gay and shit. It was like a lot of our friends, moms, and people in our family came out. after we were out of high school. And so it's not just black dudes. It's like, it's the women, too.

It was that. And the passive aggressiveness of seeing a woman in an unhappy relationship and just doing it just because of what the expectation of not just being a man, but what to be a woman in the black society is. You know, again, to not be ostracized. So you might want kids, but you don't want a man. You might want to experience that.

or even, you know, same way on the other end. Somebody might want kids and don't want a wife or whatever. It's just understanding that. I was mostly nervous about, like, having a conversation with somebody. I haven't had one, but, like, maybe. With the person you was rapping about or just in general? Okay, okay. Have you had it yet?

No, no. I don't think they caught on to it. Which is cool. Not really. Because it sounds to me like you want to have the conversation. No, I want people to be okay. That ain't got to talk to me about nothing. Gotcha, got you.

I just want everybody to be okay. Okay, you know, again, this is, despite the subject matter to me, this is ministry. Word. Yeah. You know the biggest thing that we can do for each other as people, stop acting like everything is so black and white. That's why I hate social media so much, because we take these complex things. Yeah.

And try to make them A or B, right around. Because we try to debate it instead of understanding it. And it might not be meant to understand it. It might just be meant to talk about. You might understand exactly what you're going through. might not be up for nobody else to understand. But once it's online, but the issue is, though,

but once it's online, then people are debating and they're trying to fake understand. Some people. It's in a, what, public opinion once you do that. And that's the gift and curse of the internet. And that's too, like, when every time, like, when you said, I signed up for this and he's like, no, you didn't.

I feel like it's a difference in, like, the age groups as well. Yeah, I was for sure, feel like I knew what I was getting into. Like, I didn't know the possibilities of everything. I'm for sure new, you know, we were on the same age. Yeah, I feel like you got to take what comes with it to a certain extent. Let's be clear. How old are you?

How are you? 34. You're the same age. Oh, okay. I thought you were younger. You love it. I didn't work this time. She's so mad.

He's so mad. He's so mad. It didn't work because he's, you know he predates the internet. I'm 47, yes. I've been, I've been, I grew up with him. Yeah. I appreciate that. Same.

Same. But the reason I say that is because, like, he is. so far in his career that like I feel like he doesn't they have the privilege to be like I didn't sign up for that and I'm not going to do that today and we can do that but like it's so different for us sometimes they didn't have Wikipedia or people doing TikTok reviews and you be like no I'm good but his thing I I don't care what your sexuality that's my point so it's so it don't it really does not matter is the music jamming if this album was whack I would be saying how this album is whack and it's not because of some say

But you're older and you're involved than you have sense. Turn your phone off then. If everybody could be that like the rationale could be there, it would be so much less of a lot of things. You know, you really, I'm not joking, you owe nobody, no explanation. If you choose too, cool, but you really don't know. I only do it for the little niggas who,

man, thanks, bro. Need to hear it, yeah. Like, bro, I really, that's the only people I owe. is the people, you know, in the ministry. That's really it. And that's the hard spot because it's like when you're vulnerable like you are, people connect to you and they need it. But at the same time, you got the people on the other side.

And some people run away from being vulnerable because of that. What's crazy is you won't see negativity unless you seek it out. Turn your phone up. And then if somebody is negative enough to hop in my comment section, they really just like me. You really like me a lot. So it's like, just deal with you. their insecurities on your own and I'll be here when you're done but as your

phone you gonna put that tape out enticed them guys it might have seen what you was doing that shit was not sexy that shit was not sexy that shit kept my stock like a motherfucker be honest how many people was in your DMs like yo what's up it was a lot see what I'm saying you for it's like hey hey it's like nobody's like nobody's that attractive when they're coming at you on that end of your life you know it wasn't nobody that you like well they sent their numbers so let me at at least just. No.

You mind you asshole. Maybe. Yeah, if you need something, hear my number. The past. Yeah. The past, a lot of makeup artists hit me up. Yeah. I'm like, okay.

Listen, I love, I'll give me an opportunity to expand my audience, though, musically. It's like, oh, you like this. So we, we everywhere with it. I wonder. I wonder, because hip hop is going to always struggle with conversations around sexuality, vulnerability, masculinity, masculinity. Do you think what you went through moved the culture forward in any way?

I mean, I think it was predated a little bit with Frank and the shit, the shit Tyler did, and all that kind of shit. And then I feel like you just gotta not go out like back in the day. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that. But how the internet did that, you know,

that was that look crazy. Yeah, that's you. You kind of had that same. Yeah, like it was 15 years past that. So, you know, I think I was, I just hit in a nice little soft cushion. My bad, bro. I ain't even mean to bring up your shit like that. That was wrong to me.

I'll edit it. We edited it. Oh, bless it. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, yeah. That's nice. When people look back at this chapter of your life, what do you hope they understand that headlines got wrong? I don't think people will look back at this chapter like that after everything is going on.

like this is a bit of booknote. And I feel like it's not that surprising. If you know my music and you've seen me, I'm like, if I wouldn't already gay, I was a hell of affectionate. You know, like, I'm hell of, like, you know. So I ain't tripping on that shit. I am who I am. I'm here, you know, I don't know too many motherfuckers

with just four projects who I've been up here and been seeing you for the past 15 years. So I'm here doing something for somebody. I respect anybody who's not afraid to be who they are. Yeah. That's just it. Like, I don't care. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm sure there's a bunch of other people that feel that way, too. I think most people, we all got somebody in our family. You know what I'm saying? To some extent of who's bi, gay, or somewhere in between or transitioning or whatever. So, yes. And it's like, not even to make it a thing. It's like, you're, I don't know, on a scientific level, you're very much predisposed

if you come from a broken home to have some type of sex or curiosity. It's on paper. It might be wrong, but, yeah. Hell of. Because you're searching for a need for something? It's just the dynamics of relationships. I was like, you know, if you only grew up around women, you know, some of your habits or if you only grew up around men,

some of your habits and how you view things. A girl that was raised by men, you can't be surprised when she started liking girls. Hold on, say that again, then? A girl that was raised by men. You can't be mad or surprised when she starts liking girl. I think it's just something,

yeah, like you said, pre-dispo, I just think it's biological. I don't know if it's... I think it's a combination. Some people are... Some shit's nature. And some of it's a common. And it's not up to me to determine.

It's going to, that should take up too much in my life besides just being okay with it. You are who you are? You are, you are. So what's the moral of the story, man, from everything you've been through? Is it fame, exposure, healing, all of it? What is it?

By my album so I can take care of my family. Exactly. It's been awful. It's been awful. The bills are high. The government's weird. They want to take parks away from people and a whole bunch of other shit

that I don't have to get into because I don't get paid to do that. But definitely, just by the album, man. By the album, it'll do something nice for you, do something positive for your mental, and either you're going to love it and feel seen

or are you going to put it up until you need it. But it's going to come back around. And it can go with the vinals too, the website? Yeah. You can get all the alternative vinals. That one... I love this one with your mom.

This is the one I'm a key. The one me and my mom at my grandma's house. me and my manager Matt shot that one at the bicentennial library in Chattanooga so library and me and my mom went to when I was a kid when she was studying for a degree so a lot of this stuff is really personal and then this is one of our really good friends Steve Harrington he designed this for us and it's an animated version of the story of syphysis pushing a boulder up the hill that was originally what my cover was supposed to be

Okay. So somebody told me it's too expensive. That's how you felt like Syphys? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Explain that story for a few who don't remember. Don't really remember.

Don't do that. Don't do you. I barely remember too now. Let's look it up. Yeah, yeah. Now you got me. I'm like, oh, you know, I ain't heard the story of Syphysus. I was between the story of Syphyses and, like, using something like Atlas. But then I felt like that was too egotistical to think I really had the world on the shoulders.

Yeah. Syphysis bolder. What was the story? Yeah, the myth of Syphysis who was condemned by the gods to roll a massive, the Boulder up a hill for eternity only for it to roll back down each time. Wow. Oh, I could see that with your album. Because you go in and out of like, I got it,

I'm here and back into different things. The weight of it all. Yeah. And he was punished for his extreme hubris thinking himself better than the gods and his tendency to trick death. His punishment is a popular symbol of futile, repetitive, and frustrating task. You feel like the bad things that happened to you in life

are punishment? Yeah. Yeah. Why not choice? Punishment for my actions, yeah. Punishment for poor choices. Yeah. Punishment for choice, yeah. I feel like God directly.

If I said something about you that came from a place of me in, like, hubris or ego, I'm likely to, like, fuck my foot up when I leave out of here. And I don't even know how. Or I'll lose some shit. It happens for every action. There's a reaction in my life. I saw how you felt that immediately when you were. you mentioned dude's name just now

a little while ago. Immediately you wanted to correct that with you. That's fucking wrong. I'm like, who am I to do that? It's not right. Yeah. It's been awful, man, Isaiah Rashad. It's been a pleasure, at least to talk to you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Go get the album. It's been awful. Everywhere you buy music now, it's the Breakfast Club. Hold up.

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