The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jekalyn Carr Talks New ‘Legends’ Album, Gospel Music, Faith In God, Fashion Criticism + More

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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J.L.A.N.J. guy. We are the breakfast club. Long La Rose is here as well. We got a special guest in the building. And she walked in big regal. You hear me? Like royalty just stepped in the room. Her album is out today, ladies and gentlemen, Jacaylon Carr. Welcome. Thank you. How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. I have no reason to complain. How's your energy? How's your energy? It's great, you know, great response and just overall, I just feel blessed. You got some legends on this album, literally, right? It kicks off a first song, Bobby Jones.

Yes. Conversation with him. Yeah. Talk about, you know, just bringing him into the project and why you decided to start off this tribute to the legends and gospel with Bobby Jones. Well, he has played a huge part in a lot of our careers. I can speak for me specifically. I got on his show when I was about seven years old. I didn't even know who I was. And then after that, I released my breakout single, Grater's Coming. And he, you know, invited me onto the show. And it just went from there. So it was his show that really, really pushed a lot of our songs. and yeah I was like I'm honored to have him a part of that introduction how did you choose which legends to collaborate with and what criteria did you use to define legend yeah well the thing is I study my songs so I have to hear who I hear on the song

versus just putting someone on there and then there's so many legends right and I couldn't get everybody on this one album which is why I'm now working on chapter two because it's just so many i think that these people are just huge staples and not just gospel but in music period they're the blueprint and it's just time to honor them and to let them know that we appreciate them i believe that what you honor will honor you who's the mount rushmore gospel artist the mount rushmore gospel legends we do it with hip hop all the time who's the mount rushmore gospel legend it's so many you have uh pastor shirley you have the clark sisters, Donald Lawrence,

Kirk Carr, Kirk Franklin. I mean, the list goes on and on. Like, it's just, and then there's constantly legends being raised up to. So it's just, it's a lot of them. I want to go back if you don't mind. Yes. What got you into doing gospel music?

Jesus. Besides Jesus. And what, you know, why did you want to make it a career? So, obviously, I was raised in church. And then also I come from a singing family. But even though I can. from a singing family I believe that sometimes just because you're around it is that doesn't mean you're supposed to do it but it was just in me like I couldn't

escape it every time I turned around I was singing I was in the mirror I was singing to the grass as if the grass was my crowd my cousins would come over I will make a choir with them like I just loved it and honestly I didn't even know that you know my career would be to this capacity I was just doing what I love to do yeah and at a very young age, my dad, he came off his job so that he could manage me and go on the road with me and he saw the vision.

I've got to be a lot of pressure. Dad leaving his job and managing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it took a lot of faith, honestly, you know, because you're going from something where you know you have stability of income, you can take care of your family, all these things. Like, my life is literally a miracle.

It was a faith walk, but, you know, it's been a family thing since the beginning. Again, they saw my gift, worked it. cultivated it, and I am where I am today. When did you realize that you, quote, quote, made it? Oh, my gosh. When was that moment? I would say when I heard my music outside of my hometown, that was really big for me.

Because, Memphis, right? Yes. Memphis, Tennessee, West Memphis, Arkansas, country. And so I, yeah, when I heard my music outside of just being played in my region, that's when I knew that it was getting serious. Where was that? Where did you hear it? What region? Where were you? Well, so I started traveling heavily at the age of 13, and the greatest coming was released around 14, 15. So I wouldn't even be able to tell you where I was, because I was traveling literally from city to city. But I just knew, yeah, it was getting real.

Did you miss your childhood traveling that young? Because you started early. Were you able to do the things that kids do? Yeah, I was. That's the interesting thing, because I was an active child. And my parents made sure. sure that they balanced very, very well, because of course I was homeschooled, too. But I modeled, I did a whole lot of things because I just loved being active and all of that. And I played with my dolls. I did all these things. They just made sure that I had a very balanced life because they also made sure that I enjoyed doing what I do at the same time. It didn't feel like pressure. Like even now, it doesn't feel like pressure. I just, it's my happy place. Now, you talk about balance. One of the things that I like about you, and I don't know how hard this is for you,

but you're very young. You dress amazing. Thank you. People do criticize that sometimes though, right? Yes. But in being... Criticize you dress good? Yes, because, you know, they give, they give, if you're a gospel artist or a person in the faith world, people think that there's a certain way you're supposed to show up. And because you have your fashion and your boutiques and different things, you get flack for if things are too tired or like whatever. But you still keep the balance of being young and liking to do all those things. How do you handle that? Yeah. You know, I just do what I do. I feel like if I'm not offending God, then, you know, I don't see the issue in that.

I dress, I've never dressed, not dressed, rather, for where I am. If I'm at a gala, I'm going to dress like I'm at a gala. If I'm at church, I'm going to dress like I'm at church. But all at the same time, it's still respectful. It's still classy and elegant and all of that. I think people need to see that it's okay for you to love God and look good at the same time. It has nothing to do with your body shape. none of that. If you look good, you just look good

point blank in period. But who are these people though, because, I mean, have they never not seen somebody be Easter Sunday, first? You ain't never see the first lady in a poppy church walking in the room? It's not bad. That's what I'm saying? I think a lot of it just had, I've been criticized for my body shape

when it comes to certain things that I wear. So I think that's most of the time, the issue, but yeah. But that's divine too, though. And I can't do anything about that. But it's divine because, you know, what do you see when you see a beautiful woman with a nice body, you'd be like, good Lord.

Lord, have mercy. Jesus. Like, you just start calling his name. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But I think it's too because your family and your sound is so rooted in like that old school gospel where like there's so many rules and things you can and can't do. Yeah.

But even that, you handle that well too with like on this, a project, very old school sound of gospel, but like the melodies pick up a bit. There's like a little bit of country in there at one point. That balance is there also. I don't know how you. bring that in because they are not kind of like new things and like that old school gospel yeah yeah and a lot of them they actually said they you got me singing this this young people music miss doddy in particular said that but they loved it and the goal was to of course you know

honoring them but also making sure that the world know these people still have it like their voices their personality everything about them is still a staple and so I tried to make sure that there were songs that kind of pulled them out of the box, you know, songs that they probably wouldn't have done before or maybe they would have. I just wanted to make sure I went in a creative route with the album. So let me ask a question. When you go in the studio with some of these legends,

like a Yolanda Adams or Shirley Caesar, what shift happens in you creatively? Like, are you like a student, a peer, or just something else? So thankfully, these legends, they live. literally was just like whatever you want, Jacqueline. And so I would literally study the songs before I go in. I knew what I heard in different parts. And then there was stuff that, you know, while they were singing that I would hear spare

at a moment. But I feel like I'm in that producer's, you know, mindset. But I'm always also in that student mindset because they're always dropping gyms. And, you know, and then sometimes it could not just be what they say. It's how they handle certain things. Like, you know, even speaking of Yolanda, like just expressing how it's okay to live to enjoy life you know and again still love god at the same time that balance so yeah do they respect you and like they do they do um and they are all

literally thanking me um when it comes to this album but i'm just honored to have them like i'm on literally honored to honor them like they tell me all the time just how proud they are and all that i think it's beautiful yeah i saw a quote from a b b1 as he said working with you Jekyllyn Carr, is different from Jekyllyn Carr, Jekyllyn Car. I'm so sorry. It's okay. It happens all the time. Working with Jekkeel and Carr to producer is different from Jekkeel and Carr to singer.

So how to produce this album like challenge you in that way? It challenged me because you just never know. When you're working, I mean, I'm working with elites, right? So you just never know what you're getting, what to expect. But I just literally, I had to pray. I had to keep God through this whole thing. And again, they made it easy for me. It wasn't like, no, I'm going to do it this way.

I'm going to do it like because I'm a legend. Like, they literally came in and was like, tell me what you need. And that's what I'll give you. I wanted to ask, you know, you've been seeing this a lot more recently. You've been seeing the blend between gospel and hip hop or gospel and other genres of music. What's your thoughts on it? I know some people hate it. Some people say it shouldn't be that way.

But I love the fact that people are infusing with, whether it's Glorilla or Little Bay. or whatever maybe, what's your thoughts on it? You know, I haven't really put much thought into it because I can't really tell, you can't tell people what to do, you know, whatever you're, what you feel like is best for your career, you know, you do that. I just try to make sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. Would you do a record with a hip-hop artist?

It depends. It really depends. I'm very strategic on, you know, how I move and how I do things. So, I mean, you never know, but for right now, I don't know, I ain't put any thought into it, so I can't really say. It'd be hard to turn down a,

woman from Memphis named Gloria Hallow, right? Yes. I know you're very protective, to piggyback off envy, right? You're very protective over your brand in this. I've been told that you would turn down like music deals and everything just so you could stay independent and working with your family because you want to be able to control how they place you musically. Is that true?

Yes, and just be able to be in control, period. You know, not having to answer to anybody. And it also keeps you in a position where, you know, you're doing what you want to do. do what you feel is best for your career. For me, not everything is about a business move, you know, because at the end of the day I keep the people in the forefront of my mind and what they need because that's what

it's really about. Is this about me trying to build my own little thing or whatever? Or is it about me really, really positioning myself to help people and the only way I can do that is if you know, sometimes there's not a lot of hands in there throughout the process.

How much money was it? asked you that? Say it again? What was the deal that you turned down? She's all in your business right now. Because I'm like, when I heard that I'm like, I mean, I know you're rooted in family, but I'm like, woo, there probably was a lot on the line. I'm not going to say, but I will say, you know,

again, like, I ain't ever really been money happy. Like, you know, I'm a money magnet, so, you know, that makes it also just like, you know, money answered to me. So you're not going to present me with anything as if, you know, I'm supposed to just

move up on it and because again in the forefront of my mind is always the people let me ask that I'm gonna ask that question that Lauren just asked in a different way if you had to tithe 10% of the money that you had gotten how much would that mean you know what I'm tickled I am tickled he got a song called he don't miss yes what's that song it's a little country he don't I know is he doesn't but you know he don't just hit a little harder um that song right there is just the song about just confidence in God. There's never been a season

of any one of our lives where he missed, where he did not come through, he did not answer, even when it wasn't when we thought it should have been, how we thought it should have been. At the end of the day, you know, he's been good. He's been faithful, and there's no battle you could ever face,

whether it's sickness, whether it is, you know, relationship with whatever the problem is, there's no battle that he cannot win for you. Because sometimes you got to understand, it's not even on you all the time to fight some things he wants to fight for you and everything he has fought for me is always one for me what would you say to somebody who's in a season where they feel like god is punishing them or skipping over them he the thing is we got to understand that we all go

through those seasons the most god-loving person goes through those seasons where it seems like god isn't hearing me he doesn't remember me you know how could you let this happen and that happened, but you got to understand that God is so faithful and he's so strategic about your life that he wants to ensure that you're exactly where you're supposed to be, when you're supposed to be, but sometimes you have to go through certain things, you know, to ensure that you can handle what is coming. Because one thing I've learned is that he doesn't want us to have the blessing and when we don't have what it takes the character and all of that. To keep it, we lose it. Like, no, he has to build us in the

process to ensure that we get it and we keep it. That's right. I know you're celebrating over 10 years in ministry, your music and different things, right? How do you reckon with when you go through things personally? Like, you're doing all this for other people, administering and all this, but like when Chiquin's going through something.

Yeah. I have a very great support system, very great support system who always encourages me. And the thing about it is everything I tell y'all to do in my songs, I do it myself. You know what I'm saying? It's like God will also ensure that way it remains authentic and I am very sure about what I'm singing about because it's one thing for you to sing it and it's another thing for you to really know

that this actually works. So yeah, I pull on those people when I feel like I can't pray for myself, I pull on those people. I put in, you know, inspirational messages in my ear to ensure that I'm encouraged. I have my moments. You know, it doesn't mean that every day is all cute and all that but I just also choose to not stay there that makes sense I was going to ask how do you ignore the the noise if you even do ignore it right you talk about sometimes they criticize what you wear I'm sure they criticize your business deals yeah so like how do you ignore the noise because you're doing it for a group of people yeah that say that you know they forgive it's uh it's they're praising God but on the same turn they're so critical critical of you yeah how do you get rid of all that

noise. One thing I had to, I couldn't be in denial when it comes to myself. It comes with the territory. It comes with the territory. Does it make it right? Absolutely not. But here's the thing. It's not always from church people. It's from everyone. When you're on the front line, you're on the front line. You never know where you're getting it from. And I don't do my research to figure out where I'm getting it from, whether it's church people or not. but the thing is one thing I love about my parents is they they help build

me before all this and it helps me along my journey so when I hear somebody say something and most of the time I don't even really see it like I get a synopsis you know with some people they'll tell me oh this this has happened da da da da da da I don't really see it because I don't really care to see it like

you know I try to stay focused and all that but if I just so happen to see it or hear it I look at a kid I laugh I legit laugh. Like, you can exit anybody. I literally laugh. Because especially when there's no harm

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truth like do you bring that on to your show or no I don't bring it into my space I don't bring it on my social media and none of that I refuse to give negativity my platform like I get to control the temperature not just of my my life in real time but social media too. Like, you know, you can say what you want to say on your page, but when it comes to my page, you know, you're going to get deleted or blocked. That's the reason. It's the reason why it's there. They're like, how you, block. Block. How do you handle people being in your personal relationship? Like, I know the last time we knew of you in a relationship was with Joanne Taylor. And then that just went away. We didn't, we don't know to this day what

happened. And he just recently posted that there's an engagement and a kid coming. Like, is there any info that we get on what happened and do you plan to do that like well here's the i'm tickled no i mean it was a big thing she was having a lot of conversations about they were dating to marry and we thought that that was going to be the next step anybody that follows you and then we just didn't hear anything else yeah but just like it i'm tickled but just like any other relationship or any situation it just didn't work out the thing it was with me is you know everybody knew about when you live in the limelight you know you have to count up that cost but it just didn't work out. I also did not know that he was

getting married. We hadn't dated. It's been like close to five years but yeah like yeah, it just didn't work out. Do people like that get removed from your prayer list? Because I'm sure. No, for real, because y'all was everywhere. We were like, you know what I mean? I'm too

young. So to see you're doing that young and you got your career, it's like, okay God is, God do the things. It's happening. Yeah. Here's the thing. I don't carry any animosity, anything in my heart when it comes to anybody. If I care with, if I carry one, I may as well care with everybody. Like, I don't know. Like, I still wish everybody well. I still wish that

everybody prosper, everybody thrive in life. Whether it worked out for us or not, it is, it just didn't work out. God knew God. So I can't argue with that, you know? So I've, and then I've moved forward. I don't date it since then. Like, I've moved forward, um, since then. Yeah. I don't sound like you still on the prayer list. I don't sound like you still on the prayer list to me. I don't think it's that they are removing people from your prayer list. Because sometimes you give it to God. Like, you know what?

I went to go see a play last night. It was called Oh, Happy Day. And one of the things that they said in the play, the guy looked at the other guy and he goes, God don't want you to mind the business of your enemies or something like that. Like, oh, it's not your business what God does to your enemies. That's what it was. And I was like, that's powerful. Yeah, that's true because, you know, when you give it to him, it's up to him.

He knows how to take it. But we're not going to say he's my enemy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm back to my enemy. And the truth of the matter is, sometimes you don't even know who your enemies are. That's why it's important to keep it in his hands and you keep moving forward. And that's what I try to do. I try to stay focused.

I don't even focus on them, you know. I'm sure you have to change, not even just the dating stuff, but just. Okay, Lauren. I'm moving on. I'm moving on. The things that you put out there. in general about yourself personally because everything is growing with you

like the celebrity is so big like people call you like the mini Shirley Seaser at this point. Yeah yeah yeah you live and you learn some things you learn to do better how to handle things better I don't see how it could have been hidden for long because people started to see me at the games and all of that they were posed before I would

and so but yeah I've learned to just protect my privacy even more things that really mean a lot to me because it's just a lot that you, you know, you just, you can cut down on when you just protect it. I know it was your prayers had the Chiefs winning all them Super Bowls. I'm sickle. I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan. You know, me too, but what's up?

Exactly. Exactly. Ooh. I want to ask, you know, when you, do they try to keep you in the box? Because I see you try to step outside the box, right? I've seen you on the radar with Gabe. I see you do things that typical maybe gospel artists don't necessarily do. Do they try to keep you in that box and be like, no, I don't do that.

Sometimes, but I don't, you know, I don't go by what they say, what people say. I do what I feel is supposed to, what Jekailen Carr is supposed to be doing. As long as I feel like it's not offensive to my brand or anything of that sort, I don't think it's... Do you have to think about twice about coming up here? No, not at all. Not at all. Yeah. I've, yeah

She's a radio She got a show She's not the dress Hey but then you're all in her business We're okay Okay listen okay I'd be Because I'm in the business

But I'm also Supporting the brand As well as well as Exactly It's there Thank you I love what you're doing With the album though

Because I feel like There always should be a bridge Between generation Right Because I truly believe That greatness doesn't expire It evolves Exactly

Exactly So what do you hope Younger Gospel Or worship artists take away from this legend. I want them to continue to number one honor those that are the forerunners, those who have been the blueprint and gospel music, because I have a little sister, I have nieces, nephew, they need to know, you know, where it all started, how it all

began, you had, Aretha Franklin. I mean, the list goes on and on and on, and then also I want them to grab a hold to the messages. You know, it's not even just about the name, it's also about the message, this album, you know, it's really it's orchestrated to help you get to a place of happiness, a place of wholeness, and knowing that you deserve better in life. I don't care what

your past failures were. I don't care what you did or didn't do. At the end of the day, you can't do anything about that. But you can do something about what you do today, the decision you make. I have a song on there, Carl, I break. And that song talks about that, breaking negative cycles and

all these things that's been sabotage. your happiness and I want them to gravitate to that and and move forward in life move forward that's a I'm going to expand on that a little bit how do you see this I'm like connecting to your mission outside of music because it's clear you have a mission outside of music yeah how does this album connect to that because you know I feel like it's relatable especially with everything that that is happening not just around us but in just in people's personal lives in general you know sometimes it's like one thing after the next but I I need people to know with this album just because it looks like the negative is happening.

It ain't the end for you. It's not the end of your story. You know, I said last night, if God is not pulling the plug on your good news and your miracles and all these things, don't you pull a plug on it. It's just a matter of time before it becomes your reality. But you got to keep pushing. Sometimes you got to fight or pray just a little harder, you know, to see it come to pass. The title track up the album, too, don't faint.

Yes. It gives that as well, too. Like, listen, I know you get tired, but you can keep going. You can keep pushing. Yeah, there's a reason why that scripture is there, being not weary. He knew we would get weary sometimes, you know. But at the end of the day, you cannot allow that to overpower what he said. Because it is not like what he said he can take it back or it's not going to happen.

Anything that comes out of his mouth is guaranteed. You have to stand on that. No matter how, which way the wind blows you, what happens. You have to know he's not moving from it. I would say, for example, I had been getting word after word after word that I was going to win a Grammy and da-da-da, didn't see it, all these things. It looked like the opposite. Well, I'm going into the studio this year to record Don't Faint, and they're texting me, congratulations, congratulations. And I'm like, congratulations for what?

And they're like, you just want a Grammy. So I tell people all the time just because it's not happening now. that does not mean it's not going to happen but you cannot faint you cannot faint that's the biggest thing like people will be having faith but do you have patience exactly got to have patience and it's okay you got to be real with god too it's okay to admit okay god i'm getting a little impatient you know this is getting a little intense for me because he see it anyway and he can help you through it just be real with them people think god is so complicated he's not he knows everything about you just talk to him and let him know how you're feeling you feel you

and I promise you he's gonna help you. That's how I've been shifting my prayers all the way I talk to God lately because I think sometimes you get down on your knees and you start praying and you're telling God things that you think God don't already know. Like God knows what you need, God knows what you want, like he knows all your desires,

he knows what you're dealing with, what your challenges are. So it's like, I don't have to tell God that. That's what I tell my therapist. Therapists don't know. God knows. So I think with God, I just, I really just be asking for scrimfin answers. Crimfin asses.

Yeah. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And sometimes not even answers. Just give me the scrimp to deal with whatever I'm dealing with. Exactly. And he'll help you. He'll help you through it.

And also, when you don't know how to pray, you can also pray God, how should I pray? I mean, he's going to help you through all. He can just go leave you out there. You know, that's what I've realized along my journey and many others. He's your helper and let him help you. So how should we pray? That's not for me to determine it. Oh, okay.

You know, it depends on you and what you. you need in that moment and all of that. I don't even know how to pray all the time. So I can't answer that. So I always ask God, how do you want to pray? And when I can't pray, there's a scripture in the Bible that says he will intercede for you. So when I don't know what to say, I need my intercessor. I need them to intercede for me.

What happens when you can't hear God? Like, do you have moments like that where you don't hear God? Yeah, where it seems like you can't hear him. But a lot of times we got to know, I realize he speaks in different ways. sometimes we expect for him to speak in one way or a way that we're used to it but there's been times where he didn't speak to me directly during prayer time but after I prayed he would send somebody to say this that and the third and it would confirm just what you know I was just praying about so I think you have to be open to how he wants to get the answer to you because he's speaking and when he you feel like he's not just dive in worship Do you feel like you have to be perfect? No. I'll come off as perfect.

Not at all. Not one bit. I don't even listen. I know that the only perfect person is Jesus. And I ain't trying to be. I just try to, I take it day by day like everybody else and try to be a great person. You know, love people, try to do the right thing. We all have mess up failures.

But, you know, the good thing about it is when you don't stay there, you choose every day to grow. And that's what I try to do. And I worry about Jacqueline and Jakela's growth. I'm not perfect. Things that I, in the past, and I think, like, I could have handled that better. So I want to experience growth in that. I want to, you know what I'm saying? Like, I identify

where I need growth. And then, yeah, I do the work. I want to ask, like, in your view, what is the debt gospel music owes to the legends you featured? Just the honor overall, where we're not pushing them to the side. This, they're,

They produced and gave us music that carried so many, even years before now, our mothers, our grandmothers, and all these people. And it ain't over for them. They're still doing amazing things. When you look at C.C. Wine and you look at the Clarks, Yolanda, Kirk, all these people who are doing amazing things, I think it's just our duty to continue to make them feel like they're needed. There's no division when it comes to that, oh, this is new gospel. And we want, like, no, we still need them because there are some people that I can't reach that Ms. Dottie can reach. You know what I'm saying? So all of us are needed.

And I think we should, you know, make them feel that way. What's your favorite gospel song about, huh? Um, I love hymns. So I'm going to, oh. So you got hymns. It's like Amazing Grace. You've heard of Amazing Grace. You got the blood.

Ear reaches of the highest mountain. Yeah, those songs like that, like hymnals. Yeah, I'm going to say some good old hymns, the ones that I call it out. There's not a friend, all that, yeah. So what is Regina Bell God as Good? I don't know. I've never heard that before. You know her Regina Bell God is Good?

I've never heard of it. Come on now. That's a, but if it's, I'm pretty sure it's a gospel, it's a gospel song. Yeah, I know that God. Yeah. So have you ever heard of it? like a hymnal book? I'm a heathen.

Okay, okay. So if it's not in a hymnal book, it's a gospel, but it's a gospel song. So most of the time, if it's a hymn, it's in the book. Gotcha. Yeah.

Let's play a joint offer album that's out today. What do you want to hear? Let's do eye break. Okay, let's get into that now. Tell God, even though I was in your business, I'm a great person. What did that song mean to you before we get into it?

Again, that's just a song. of liberation, you know, I think that we have to understand that we have to make the decision to say this thing, I can't carry this anymore, whatever that this is, whether it's generational curses, whether it's negative cycles, in whatever area of your life, you have to make the choice to break that so that you can walk into your full potential and be where you're supposed to be in life. Forgive yourself. Forgive yourself. You cannot control. your past. You're not even there anymore. So why are you there trying to go back there mentally? You know, so you have to bring yourself to now. What can I do better? But before I'm moving to all

these blessings, I need to get rid of this stuff that could stop me from really embracing it. Because have you ever like been blessed with something? And then there's this one thing that your attention is on is keeping you mentally focused on that where you're not able to fully embrace the blessing. That's not what God's plan. for you. So that's what this song is for. I break it from the root, which means I won't know evidence that you don't been here.

Ooh. That's so powerful. Because I see that with people in your life more so than anything. You know what I'm saying? People will get removed from your life and you'd be like, you was the cloud, the dark cloud the whole time. And you didn't even realize it. Yeah. Or it could be a different person

but the same spirit, the same cycle. And so that's when you have to ask yourself. I had to ask myself and in many people, anybody else, what is it in me that keeps allowing this to happen? You know what I'm saying? So it's not necessarily sometimes the person. It could be something that's in you that you have to free yourself from.

Because if you don't fix it, the same thing is going to happen with the next person. Oh, preach preacher. I'm tickled. Let's get into the record right now. You want to close this out on a prayer? Sure. Let's do it. Father God, in the name of Jesus, I thank you for everybody who's listening right now.

I pray that you will meet them where they are, that they will fear your love and your compassion. They will feel your heart that you desire to see them prosper and thrive in life. Free them from anything mentally, spiritually, emotionally, that has been holding them in captivity where they're not able to live to their fullest and highest potential. Thank you for new blessings, new seasons of favor. Thank you that this season that you're pushing them into, it would not come with pain. It would not feel like a curse But it would feel like a blessing And every single thing that you've promised them

We thank you that is done In Jesus' name, I pray, amen Amen Jekael and Carl album is out today Thank you so much for joining us Thank you for having me It's the breakfast club good morning

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