The Breakfast Club - INTERVIEW: Jeremy Renner Talks 'Mayor of Kingstown' S4, Snow Plow Accident, Marvel; Avengers, Music + More

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Today on The Breakfast Club, Jeremy Renner Talks 'Mayor of Kingstown' S4,  Snow Plow Accident, Marvel; Avengers, Music. Listen For More! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BreakfastClubPower1051FMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Morning, everybody. It's DJ Envy. Just Hilarious. Charlemagne, the guy. We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building. I feel like I know him. Feel like you know him? I mean, I know a Hawkeye. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying. We're watching them for like the past 20 years, it feels like. Jeremy Renner, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. Hey, how are you doing? How are you feeling, man?

Breakfast Club. Feeling good. Early morning. Very happy. Very blessed to be here. Mary Kingston, season four is coming. That's right, man. That's been a wonderful job. Yeah, I love it, man. It's pretty exciting. We've got to, especially this far into the series.

It's the best season so far, because I think just because when you know the characters, better than season one? Huh? You said better than season one? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because the audience will know all the characters, so now we can take all this,

instead of having a bunch of B and C and D storylines, we can get everybody into the same narrative. So we're all kind of more watching a movie type of vibe. So I'm pretty excited about that. And there's a lot of amazing characters in the show, too. It's pretty diverse. You played everything from blue collar heroes, the conflicted anti-heroes. What kind of roles challenge you the most at this stage? Yeah, I think like all those, I think, you know, if you play a bad guy, it's got to be something pretty conflicted. You might, you know, with the audience kind of has a great understanding of why he's a bad

guy. And a good guy, you know, you have to have things go wrong for you. Otherwise, you know, we don't have a story, right? So I just look for always complicated characters. I think that's whether the, you ride the line of, I think I've even kind of built a career of like, is he a good guy or a bad guy? You're not quite sure. He's both. Or just like every human being in the planet, there's a lot of good and a lot of us. And then we can do, we can do bad behavior, but can still be a good person, right? These are all just very human sort of traits and behaviors. So I'm kind of attracted to those. Is it hard to get out of that space when you dive so deep into like those moral gray areas especially like on the show like kingtham no yeah there's there's such you know

like when I put that suit on there's a there's a certain there's this an energy to think same if I suit up for Hawkeye or whatever it might be there's it's easy once you shed the skin of the the actual skin you can really kind of emotionally and psychologically you know shed that you kind of have to you have to practice that no no on the Mayo King okay how do you see your character Mike on the show or do you see him as superhero anti-hero hero, something in between? How do you? I don't know if hero is in there. I think it's, I think there's a moral code to him that's an ethics to him that I'm attracted to, even though it might come with some gray area,

moral gray area as well, being, you know, coming from incarceration. But I think there's something selfless about Mike McCleskey that I'm attracted to. So that does make him more heroic or more good, I think, than bad, even though there is some moral, you know, gray areas with him. But I think the intention behind him is always forthright and being selfless. When you look at how you play the mayor of Kingston in this show, and then you look at today's America and some of the things that politics is doing now, how do you compare the same? I think McCluskey's kind of needed, you know. We need, I think, I think. someone that can kind of grease the wheels on all sides and all kind of smooth the edges of people.

I think there's a lot of devices that kind of goes on and a lot of things that can divide us. And I think what's important is to unite us all, just like in Mayor Kingston in that world, in the world of incarceration, you know, there's people waiting for people to get out of the prison. There's people waiting to get out of prison. There's some people that work in the prison and all different levels of incarceration, how that world works. I think there has to be some sort of grease to kind of, you know, unite people in all these different perspectives. Like, it happens all the time in real life with, you know, just the prison guard life is a very brutal job. Or just being incarcerated.

That's a very brutal sort of place and space to be. I think that this had a really cool documentary that came out that was shot in the prison. Oh, I heard about that. Yeah. I was talking about that. Dude, it's such an amazing. I just saw it. I don't know.

I can't remember where it was on. I was on Netflix or something. Well, it's something about Alabama? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was in Birmingham Friday and everybody was talking about it. I missed to watch it. Yeah, but it's sort of like kind of injustices that go on, you know, and incarceration.

And so anyways, it's just, I just think it's like, you know, I think there is a kind of great need for that, like the morally great area guy to come in and be able to listen to everybody. I think kind of that's what sort of politicians should do. Do you think we should do that more? I was going to ask because in May of Kingstown, you deal with the bad guys and the good guys but you are the kind of keeping the peace

with that side and I feel like sometimes with mayors and governors or even I can't even say president but mayors and governors seems like they stay away from the bad guys like they just mess with the good guys where they can't make sure there is peace yeah you know what

I think like money just sort of pushes us around and it forces our hand and I know I think capitalism is sort of the crushing of humanity for us right now and I don't really lead that way I kind of lead with a more open heart but yeah I think

you're supposed to serve the people but to serve the people you have to listen to the people understand the people but also the people have to speak out and we have to like you know be vocal and you know everybody needs to be witnessed

right everybody needs to be understood and when we don't feel that way we get divided right and you know I think we need to find ways to unite, man, because that's what we are. That's how we survive. It's how we succeed. It's how we flourish.

You know, even if you can't fully understand a person's, you know, story, understand their existence as a human. I think the golden rule that we learned as kids, just apply that to everything. Right. Exactly. Third grade playground rules. That's my sort of, like, religion, if you will.

It's like all that third grade playground stuff. It's like treat people like you want to be treated. like all that stuff and it's like if we operate from that accord you know if we got like tax breaks for doing those applying those rules like you know we'd be doing it more often so yeah I think it's important you know at least that's it's how I like I think we can all even agree like that's going to work for all that would be crazy tax breaks based on being kind yeah for being kind for walking someone across the street or our tax but yeah yeah then you got everybody hugging each other and blowing each other's lawns and shit yeah I love that right right

I mean, that's just called community. That's called humanity, right? And I think we're in a system that doesn't allow for that to happen, sadly. How do you humanize a man who operates in a world where power often replaces compassion? I think that's what I lean on the things. I think the family part aspect of him. I lean all the things that do make him to have that fortitude. Like McCluskey has like a strong family ties, right?

Half his family is in cops, but he was incarcerated. But he was, but we didn't go too much into the backstory that, but he's incarcerated and didn't do the things. He was kind of like the scapegoat for why he was incarcerated. But at any rate, there's a code, right? There's a moral code that I think is kind of inspiring. It inspires me. So I really just focus on the things that that make him good, that the righteousness of him is about the righteousness of others. And not about, it's selfless, right?

It's not about him serving himself. And I really like that about the character. I think there's something, you know, if it's anti-hero or heroic about him, it's that selflessness. And I think that's a great message to send. Absolutely. Now, I wanted to go back a little bit a couple of years ago, right? I remember you were all over the news in 2023. A 14,000 pound snowplow ran you over you and saving your nephew.

They say that, you know, they had to revive you. And they said that you were even upset that they revived you because it was like, it was a, so break that what happened please tell us yeah yeah that was a an incident happened in my driveway in a new year's day and uh yeah it's a lot you know i had to spend a lot of time um writing a book about even so there's a lot a lot of healing that goes on in that but yeah it's like it's like you know near-death experience essentially and um it's an incident that that transpired that i mean i've like zero regrets about it. I'd do it again for the same instance. It would happen. Maybe I'd go about it a little bit differently. You saved your nephew, right? Yeah, my nephew. Yeah, he's

at risk. He's going to get ran over by the machine. So I tried to jump back on. I got knocked off of this tank-like machine and try to jump back on it. And it has these tank tracks. And it's a stupid thing ultimately really to do. But, you know, what else are you going to do? I'm not going to sit there and watch him get crushed. So I try to jump onto the machine to stop it. And and I got crushed instead. But at any rate, you know, we know at the end of the story. I'm here. And flourishing and happy.

And I learned so many great things and gifts that came from dying and coming back, you know. So you actually died? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see heaven or did you? I don't know if we call it heaven, but I guess, you know, a version of it is pretty amazing. What I was really strange, though, about it all. It's like I have, you know, very specific sort of feelings about it privately. And then there's this doctor I talked to that.

And I talked on this Oprah show that she has. And this guy, all he does is deal with near-death experiences. And then he spoke about sort of the general sort of ideas of things that people experience. Over the 40 years, he's been studying it. And by the time they got to me to ask me questions, I had, like, I had nothing to say. The guy almost said word for word what I wrote in the book about my personal experience. And it ends up being, like, really common with everybody that has a near-death experience. So it's not that I didn't feel special or anything.

I just felt like it's actually felt more concrete, resolved about what does happen when you pass or when you almost pass. I mean, I certainly went away for a minute. I don't know how much time. It doesn't matter. But it's a pretty, pretty interesting experience. And then to know that I wasn't alone in it, that it wasn't just sort of my. you know one-time shot at it it was uh that it's there's something really concrete about it and it's beautiful and it's ultimately in the short of it i think just about love and it's the only thing sort

of you take with you because like like hate right a very very powerful powerful human emotion it could run a country on it uh love sadly can't even though it's pretty powerful human emotion right but it hate only exists on the on the tails of love because hate burns out burns hot and fast and then it dies. You just can't hate forever, but you can love forever. It's perpetuity. And that's the only thing you can't take with you.

And it's a beautiful, you know, it's how I kind of continue on as I walk through the day and breathe through the day and feel blessed and honor to be here. But I only focus on shared experiences with love and people I care about. And nothing else really matters outside that.

How did your nephew appreciate you saving his life? Oh, well, the depths of, I have a very, very close family and my friendships I have for a very long time. They're also very close. All those just deepened immensely. You kind of

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Everybody, you all took, look, I've taken care of him, and he's definitely taken care of me. He's like my sister, but it's her birthday today. And I was just speaking to her. She's on her honeymoon in Italy. And she's, you know, like, she was very instrumental in me during the accident and, you know, being strong-headed and strong-willed about, you know, all the stuff to get me better. But, yeah, my family is, yeah.

We all say yes to each. I don't think we're saying no to each other. But you're not scared of death at all. No, I mean, I wasn't really scared before, but like it was really bad, guys. me it's sacked and I saw my eyeball with my other eyeball my legs are all twisted up you know it's pretty it's gnarly right I'm like 25% titanium in my body but so but if that's the worst but if that's the worst of it like this is all you got this like this is like probably can't get

much worse maybe if I you let me on fire maybe but your body already kind of shuts down and it's nerve endings and when you have that much kind of trauma going on so you're only kind of feeling X amount of pain your your brain the pain center can only take certain amount of information, otherwise it's kind of it's overloads, and that's what happened. It was just all overloaded, so I just felt like, you know, it was terrible, but mostly it was like a cramp, and I couldn't breathe. I felt like I was suffocating, that was it. I mean, I'm trying to, I'm oversimplifying it, but, you know, so. Yeah, you definitely are oversimplified because you went from there to, you go from that,

and then you shoot second season of mayor of Kingston. Yeah, yeah. That was, that was pretty fast, pretty fast, you know, from, from, you. almost a year to date to go to season three to shoot. Season three, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. That's, it's, it was, you know, I was, I was, I was doing pretty well. I was moving around.

I was, I was doing really well. And I wanted to get kind of back out into the world. I was always wanting to kind of get back out into the world to kind of push away. Like, okay, I'm walking again. They said I wouldn't. I'm doing, I'm doing better than I thought I would. But I wanted to kind of get back on the world and start working again. And it was a little, a little earlier.

on like you know because of uh my energy levels were pretty low and but anyway that's it's i was getting back to work was important to me yeah even though i really struggled which i found strange but then not so strange because obviously mary kingstown is fictional even it's based on a lot of truths but i'm still saying lines i'm still playing a character that's yeah i have to live in reality in real real real nonfiction just exists through my day right I'd have to breathe, have to use a lot of energy to walk right and do all these things right at this time. So I felt, it felt really weird to go play make-believe

when I have to really live in real fucking reality, sorry, but I have to live in real reality, right? So, like it's no joke. So it was, I found that to be a little tricky in the beginning. But then once I got, it was really more, also my blood work was really bad, my hemoglobin, if you know anything about that. was a two. It was like the kind of the blood of a dead man. So I had no energy. I'd know like my mitochondria. Everything was all messed up. So once I got that corrected and did some

hormone replacement, all these other different things, I got more energy. And then I really started to flourish more through. And then playing make believe was a little bit more palatable, I suppose. How were you spiritually before the accident? Did you believe in God? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly godly, but I, but I, my dad is a theology, so I studied every religion growing up. So I don't really subscribe to any particular type of organized religion, but I'm definitely of a godly sort of spiritual guide. So none of that's ultimately changed outside. I still believe in something that's, I don't know what brought me back. Like when I died, I didn't want to come back. But something brought me back. Something

outside of it, I don't know what it was. So there was nobody there on the other side like, No, not your time, Jeremy. No, no, it's anyone, there's no time, place, and space. So it's everyone, all things, all at once. You know, I saw me the same age as I was with my dad, or my mom, or anybody, you're just all at once. It's all happening at once. And it's magnificent and peaceful and quiet.

So there's nothing that, like, like, ripped me back or a thing. I just remember coming more back into consciousness and I saw my eyeball in the ice. I'm like, oh, I'm back in this body. I'm like, I was just doing so good. It's doing so good. But then I'm like, alright, here we go. We've got to overcome these obstacles and start breathing again. And, you know, and thank God, you know,

that I was, you know, pulled back even though I didn't want to be. Did it make you appreciate God even more when you came back? I don't know if more, I think I, I, look, I don't know if it's about appreciating God more. I think it's about a, I think I appreciate, like love more. or I really just wiped away all the white noise of nonsense that I gave credence to. There's so many things that, you know, I gave value to that doesn't really have any value. And I continue down that path, whether that's a path of God or not, it's just like I just only do things that are very purposeful and very intended.

I don't do anything otherwise. I don't do anything the kind of. I don't do anything with my one toe. It's either all in or not. Everything I do is with great, great purpose and great clarity. And there's a free, it's very freeing. Right? When we allow ourselves to not get our own way, not to just be just so focused in what we really want and what we really want. And like what really has value. And, you know, I had to go to the nth degree, right, to learn that. I mean, it's partially why I was kind of writing a book about it. Maybe if anybody else could grab onto some of the blessings, because I got so many great gifts and blessings from being tested to my limits and squeezing all the crap out of me, I suppose. you know the book is my next breath yeah is it true that marble reportedly cut your salary in half

because of the snowplow incident that was what not because not because of the snowplow incident no it's just because you know if they want to do season two and they're just offered half the amount to do season two i'm like yeah of course i'd love to do it but it's going to take a lot of physical work to to get back and do it so and also just the timing um because it would take a little bit more time for me to physically do the role and maybe i just wasn't ready last year It's like maybe it's, it'll happen, you know, in a year or two to come, you know, because it was still in recovery, right now. It will be for the rest of my life, but I'm just getting stronger every day, you know.

Are you going to dooms today in Secret Wars and all that? No. Damn. No. Are you afraid because, you know, it's the multiverse now? They can just bring another Hawkeye from another to meet him. Pay them half. Yeah, there they go.

If they want to do that, they can go ahead to all means you can do that. I got, I got, I'm pretty busy myself. Yeah. I was going to say, was it difficult getting back, right? And the reason I'm asking is your fans, a lot of times fans don't care what you're going through, right? You just said all the stuff that you're going through with hemoglobin and your blood and your eye on the table. Most people don't see that. It was not on the table.

It was a lot of time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But, you know, how do you deal with fans with that? Because they still want their celebrity. They still want their hero. They still want that time, that talk time. How did you deal with that?

Well, it's the strange thing about that, because most of my relationship with fans or just people in general across the planet is really shifted from a guy that slung arrows to like a guy that overcame some real human obstacles. So it's less selfies. I still take selfies. They're still like, you know, signing, you know, bobbleheads and all this stuff, right? but there's a greater awareness to like you know i'll get people just walk by me like glad you're with this man good on you for overcoming that thing like you're a good man whatever the heck it is it's something really connective and really human exchange that i get with people um whether fans or not or um but it's it's less sort of like i just because selfies are kind of like you know vampireish kind

of activity it's like you want to take something now it's people who are more giving typically But there's still, I mean, I spend, as soon as they land here, I'm signing stuff, but, but I don't, I don't take offense to that stuff. I don't think they're forgetting about things because actually one gal gave me this beautiful, like, they do this pencil, like really fine dot thing. It's a drawing of, like, it's of my face. I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's so beautiful. How much time that takes, like, you know, over a week or whatever. Anyway, and I just think that, you know, there's, I find that people have been more thoughtful and kind. You know, it's not everyone, but, you know, I just think generally there's been.

a great shift and it's not so much about the as so much about the fandom of things you know there's a real truth you love your fans because you even created an app right where your fans can like interact with you oh that was yeah i did that back in the day when uh because i was not a big social media fan because there's so many people on it so i was trying to just to have if i was going to communicate let me do it with real fans not just people that are bots or wherever the heck's up on social media i don't trust any of that stuff So, yeah, I did that for maybe like a year or so, and it was fun to actually to really engage

because you know who your audience is. Yeah. Because it was a very specific audience. But it ended up taking too much time, so I just couldn't continue it. I had to be a dad too and all these other things, right? I got you, but I bet your fans love that. Yeah, for the time I had it.

When you first joined the Marvel Universe, did you imagine it would become such a defining part of your career? I'm sure you get yelled at home. People yell Hawkeye at you every day. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm glad I really went down the road with it, but no one ever expected it. Even like the marble people were like kind of taken it back by it all. But as it, but it happened pretty quickly from Iron Man and then into the first Avengers, essentially moved pretty quick.

And what a great, you know, I don't know, still would be 13, 14 years into it and still kind of in the ring, still fighting, still throwing punches and taking punches. It's a fun, fun, fun world, and, you know, the friendships that were formed out of it. I mean, it started off, like, so bizarre. Some of us knew each other before we started filming The Avengers, but there's like Hemsworth we didn't know and a few other people. But it's strange. It's like a Halloween costume. We're all like wearing these bizarre outfits and these props, foam hammer and all these weird things. And we were like, what do we do?

We're all like, what are we doing? We're like, I don't know. but at least we're doing it together and it worked out pretty great right it ended up being like I got really great friendships out of the deal that have really great value in my life you know been through a lot of marriages, divorces

and kids and all these great things you know how script was the script because I always think about this one line right it was an end game and it was when y'all was arguing about after Natalie Natalia died Natalie oh yeah yeah and you say maybe you want to go talk to him okay go grab your hammer

and you go fly and talk to him. I'm like, it just sounded off in the script. I don't know why. It's probably because I made that one up. You did, right? I did. I'm like, there's no way. Somebody wrote that. You were writing me.

They told you to improvise in that moment? Well, yeah, you know, with the Rooster brothers on that one, you have certain freedoms to, you know, look, it's not about, the best line it can always win. But that's not a comedic one. Usually it's about comedy stuff.

If we throw in something that's very charactery, it's like it's never, it's, you can be loose with some things. It depends on the, you know, you never want to mess with the obvious storylines and things like that. And things have to always be truthful. So, but that was like a very heated sort of, you know, kind of kind of human. You're grieving? Yeah, yeah. And a lot of us are in, you know, where the whole deep chucked some thing across the lake and I think everyone's got their own feelings. But, yeah, but also like, you know, Hawkeyes, it doesn't have any superpowers.

He's not really like a superhero he is, but he's, you know, very, he's like a, he's like the dad of the Marvel universe in a lot of ways, you know, so, you know, he, and that line is just something very sort of kind of pragmatic of like, yeah, you can go fly around with your superpower, super Fabio, you know, whatever thing, right? It's just something, you know, truthful as you, you can be, you know. Yeah, they look, they wouldn't put it in it if it wasn't truthful, so. Yeah. I want to ask you something in regards to Marvel, you know, you had your, you had some controversy. you know allegations your ex-wife made about you but why did Marvel stick with you but was quick to discard somebody like Jonathan made you I I don't know I don't know I don't know if there's what's the difference between you know gossip

and then events between anything else I don't know enough about Jonathan in his situation to to know I know they had big plans for that character that's for So whatever it transpired, yeah, that's, I mean, that sucks, I think, if due diligence, I think, really has to be played out. So I don't know enough information to know. Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't seem fair in how it happened. I mean, y'all situations have nothing to do with each other, but I'm just talking about the overall, you know, arch of Marvel. Yeah, yeah. Well, that, I think, I think there's a bigger, bigger scope to that to, you know, the idea of, you know, the idea of,

of public opinion becoming part of like a court process or something like that. It's like, we'll have a law and all that, you know? Like when they're like, you know, public opinion become more valuable than the actual truth or real, you know, anything on any situation, right? And we've had that for a while ever since the,

with media and social media and all that sort of stuff, sort of connectivity and, you know, I think it'd be, I think it's kind of dangerous, if you ask me, you know? I agree. I think it's pretty dangerous. like all that all the cancer culture and all that sort of stuff it's like wow i mean that just makes me want to run and hide from like and why put yourself out there and do anything for anybody

at all you know it's like it's really kind of anybody can say anything yeah yeah and they can't and that's so silly like and don't me wrong i'm glad marvel didn't right i'm glad marvel saw allegations for what they was and stuck by you i just wonder why they didn't extend that same grace as somebody like jonathan you see him on video running away from a situation yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't know. I do not know. Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Season 4, Mayor of Kingstown. Oh, wait, this man sings. Are you still doing music?

Yeah, I still do music. It's always been like number one in my life. What type of music? Pop, country, rap? What are you talking about? He does not rap, yo. No, I don't rap. Yeah, yeah. So you still are making music because it is your passion. Yeah, yeah. I still do music.

Just haven't had the time. I've been kind of since the incident I've had just prioritized my time right now and it's with my family and my daughter in my health and then my foundation

Yeah All right Well there you have it Jeremy Renner ladies and gentlemen Make sure you check out season For Mayor of Kingstown Premiers on the 26 on Paramount Plus

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